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Speaker 2: And it's finally backbar, it is finally back. By the way,

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Speaker 3: You, Good morning buddy, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Hey buddy, Hey buddy, it's finally back. Can we get

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Speaker 2: a round of applause for the NBA deciding you know what, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: enough of this making you wait around. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and start the NBA Finals coming up later on. Congratulations, guys, enough.

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Speaker 4: Of this making us forget about that. There's a season

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Speaker 2: That's like, I don't know, how do you feel, just

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Speaker 2: long ass delay for the NBA Finals. Does it feel necessary?

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like the NFL I kind of understand it.

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Speaker 2: we're looking around going all right, we've really we've really

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Speaker 2: Can the game just get here? Like, can we just

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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that that's a good thing. You know,

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Speaker 4: that's a good thing. Maybe, you know, they say good

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Speaker 4: things are worth waiting for. I mean, the only delay

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Speaker 4: There's the only one that that to me made any sense.

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Speaker 4: to it. When I was a kid, I didn't want

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Speaker 4: don't know about that because you guys don't get weather delays.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So that was the only delay really that I can say.

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Speaker 2: Hold on a second, So they wouldn't just cancel school

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Speaker 2: Here's what I do know. The Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 3: For Game one, I wouldn't have a problem seeing the.

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Speaker 3: But I'll be interested to see can the.

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Speaker 4: To me, it's just too many games to be able

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Speaker 2: And unless you have that, you're not the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Ain't gonna be no civilian accidents. No, No, ain't nobody here.

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Speaker 3: Definitely have my head on the swivel.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about this, But I

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Speaker 2: like army fatigue, No, like like college football playoff.

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Speaker 3: Oh fatigue, tired fatigue, all right.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Day, the head coach of the Ohio State Bucke

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Speaker 2: whether or not you know, certain automatic qualifiers are going

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Speaker 2: So it only makes sense when you have eighteen teams,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the biggest challenge.

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Speaker 4: I think the points that that Ryan Day pointed out

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Speaker 4: And you know, I always say, while Rashaun salom is,

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Speaker 4: People ask me it is is Sakuon Barkley the greatest

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it goes back and forth, and there's

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Speaker 2: different reports, and they have spring meetings and one commissioner

437
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Speaker 2: says this and another says this, and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 2: I look, whatever the determination is, I just want to

439
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Speaker 2: have something to look forward to and know what it

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Speaker 2: is we're going to have when it comes to the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Because for all the conversation about people's complaints last year

442
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Speaker 2: about the playoff, man, I love the fact that we

443
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Speaker 2: had actual home games. I love the fact that we

444
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Speaker 2: had the elements. I like I'm I'm in on the

445
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Speaker 2: expanded version of the college football Playoff. I initially wasn't

446
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Speaker 2: when it came to the four team I thought, man,

447
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Speaker 2: four teams is enough. There's not that many teams good

448
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Speaker 2: enough to compete for a national title. And then the

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Speaker 2: more I thought about it, the more I realized, Look, ultimately,

450
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Speaker 2: they're going to get as many in as possible because

451
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Speaker 2: it's about the money. So if that's the case, fine,

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Speaker 2: just somebody make a decision so we know what we

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Speaker 2: got and then we can, you know, have the discussions afterwards.

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Speaker 2: But if they want to put you know, four automatic

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Speaker 2: qualifiers in from the Big Ten, so be it. If

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Speaker 2: they want to do the same from the SEC, so

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Speaker 2: be it. Like what whatever they decide on, I'm good with.

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Speaker 2: I just want to have something to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: I just want to know what we're going to get

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Speaker 2: from college football. So yeah, by the way, I'm looking

461
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Speaker 2: at talk about a pain in the ash year for

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Speaker 2: Kijana Carter to have the type of season he had

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Speaker 2: back then. I mean, Rashon Slom had a great year.

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Speaker 3: I mean ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I mean again, no shade, zero shade towards Rashon salam

466
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Speaker 4: At all I promise you that nothing but respect, nothing

467
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Speaker 4: but admiration for what Rashon salom accomplished. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 4: if you take a look at the season that they

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Speaker 4: had in Penn State and what Keijhona Carter was able

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Speaker 4: to do in that year and that season with all

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Speaker 4: the given variables of the teams they played against, I couldn't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was all to me, it was all

473
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Speaker 4: but a lock that Kejana Carter was going to be

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Speaker 4: the second Hall of Fame winner of the school and

475
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Speaker 4: our whole entire history, richart history of football. John Capelletti

476
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Speaker 4: is the only one that's won a Heisman, and some

477
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Speaker 4: of that has a lot to do with the way

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Speaker 4: Joe handled things as well. For Kajana to be that

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Speaker 4: close to wing winning it. And we're not a school

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Speaker 4: where the co or the school really gets behind Historically,

481
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Speaker 4: they don't get behind the player and really promote the

482
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Speaker 4: player and do Heisman campaigns. That just wasn't Joe's thing,

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Speaker 4: so he was he was void of any type of

484
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Speaker 4: push to get the award. By the way, he was

485
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Speaker 4: still up there and the runner up.

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Speaker 2: That was one of the cool things to get to

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Speaker 2: see when we were in State College doing the shows

488
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Speaker 2: from there in the football building, seeing capal edies, Heisman

489
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Speaker 2: on display with all the other awards there. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm still surprised he's not already in. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, his final year was ninety four. What are

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Speaker 2: we talking about it?

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Speaker 4: If you think about it, how is Courtney Brown not

494
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Speaker 4: in there either? I feel like both of those guys

495
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Speaker 4: should have got in before me. But you know, nonetheless,

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Speaker 4: it is what it is. It's a very very difficult,

497
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Speaker 4: so rarefied air for certain, and it's a very very

498
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Speaker 4: it's a strenuous, very very tough process. I mean, if

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Speaker 4: you look at the ballot this year, that thing is mean.

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Speaker 3: I mean that thing is mean.

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Speaker 4: And they'll pull in a couple guys, like quite a

502
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Speaker 4: few guys, like more than what you would assume.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, listen to this list of guys. You got.

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Speaker 4: You got Flozel Adams, you got Morton Anderson, you got

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Speaker 4: Eric Anderson, the Michigan linebacker that won the buckets, Brad

506
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Speaker 4: Banks the quarterback. Uh, you got Aaron Beasley, the d

507
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Speaker 4: back from West Virginia. Eric b Enemy is on the

508
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Speaker 4: ballot this year. Alex Brown Courtney Brown, Daz Bryant. I mean,

509
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Speaker 4: there's it's it's a who's who on this list, Mark Carrier,

510
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Speaker 4: if you guys are real football pall Man right, Uh,

511
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Speaker 4: Dallas Clark.

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Speaker 2: I remember when Mark Carrier was drafted by IT. He

513
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Speaker 2: had his rookie year with the Bears. He had ten interceptions.

514
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Speaker 2: I still remember that.

515
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Speaker 3: Steel be Bro and he Marco Coleman.

516
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Speaker 2: Mark Carrier could crack.

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Speaker 4: Oh he could hit bang you now, yes, he would

518
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Speaker 4: straight from Long Beach. Polly by the way. Uh, you

519
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Speaker 4: got you got Vernon Davis. Now here's where it gets interesting.

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Speaker 4: You got Aaron Donald, you got you got Ken Dorsey,

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Speaker 4: you got uh the Brickashaw Ferguson. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 4: it's a crazy list. Kevin Hardy, Casey Hampton. They got

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Speaker 4: r G three on this bad boy Cam Cam uh

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Speaker 4: Cam Newton is on on this one.

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Speaker 2: So when I tell you who do you say no to?

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Speaker 3: Exactly? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like, how do you how do you get in when

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Speaker 4: you had these type of I mean you got Richard

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Speaker 4: Seymour on this one. Takeyo Spikes, Jonathan stoed Ken Manti too,

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Willmo.

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Speaker 2: Ken, Dorsey, Ken Dorsey gets out shine because he was

532
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Speaker 2: on those great Miami teams. But Ken Dorsey was awesome,

533
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Speaker 2: Like he had a great here.

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Speaker 3: He was a catalyst. Yeah, it was a catalyst.

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Speaker 4: So I just it's you know, just for me, I

536
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Speaker 4: always think about when you go back and you chop

537
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Speaker 4: it up and you look at it at its bare minimum,

538
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Speaker 4: it's like what constitutes saying that this person deserves it

539
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Speaker 4: more than another person. I just say, when you look

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Speaker 4: at some of these guys and their body of work

541
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Speaker 4: and then you look at the level of competition, like

542
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Speaker 4: then that's that makes it, you know, Like I said,

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Speaker 4: for Kajohna Carter, it makes it.

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Speaker 3: Very very hard to.

545
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Speaker 4: Debate the fact that if you look at hit their

546
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Speaker 4: opponents and what they were doing, like I believe Illinois

547
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: had the number one defense that year in ninety four

548
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Speaker 4: and that man still was able to be the catalyst.

549
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Speaker 4: They almost beat them, They almost beat Penn State by

550
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Speaker 4: how good their defense was. It was things that like

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Speaker 4: what Kajana Carter brought to the table was the reason

552
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Speaker 4: why they were able to overcome the team.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, man.

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Speaker 4: I just just gives way to the conversation with the

555
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Speaker 4: playoffs how are you valuing, Like, are you looking at

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Speaker 4: the top twenty five and if the top twenty five

557
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Speaker 4: polls the multiple ones that are recognized are the ones

558
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Speaker 4: that are responsible? How are you valuing and weighing that

559
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Speaker 4: top twenty five? You know what I mean versus what

560
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 4: the strength of the conference and the schedule is. It's

561
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Speaker 4: just to me, I think it's a very it's a

562
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Speaker 4: very difficult conclusion to come to on who's favored more

563
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Speaker 4: and who should get automatic qualifiers or by weeks or

564
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Speaker 4: whatever it may be. I just think it's a difficult proposition.

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Speaker 2: Right now, though, we just welcome in intelligence a right,

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Speaker 6: Well, let's just clarify there that there are different types

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Speaker 6: of intelligence. So I'm not I'm not claiming to be

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Speaker 6: intelligent in all field. Maybe a couple that could help

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Speaker 6: you guys, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Come on now, listen so hard on yourself. So we

578
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Speaker 2: were kind of kicking this around. Uh, you know, a

579
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Speaker 2: lot of there's a lot of talk about you know,

580
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Speaker 2: the Mannings being you know, the first family of football.

581
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Speaker 2: You've got the Kelsey's. I would argue that digs are

582
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Speaker 2: the digs Is are right there. I mean, whether it's

583
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Speaker 2: Trayvon or stuff on, they're really trying to take over

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Speaker 2: this offseason. What's the idea behind Trayvon Diggs not showing

585
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Speaker 2: up and potentially not getting as half a million dollar

586
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Speaker 2: bonus from the Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think like there's always a reason, right like,

588
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Speaker 6: and there's always and these things are never these things

589
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Speaker 6: are never for no reason. Like you know, if you

590
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Speaker 6: if if a guy's choosing not to show up, generally

591
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Speaker 6: it means something, especially there's more money on the line,

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Speaker 6: so you know, I would say, like there's probably some

593
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Speaker 6: feeling of wanting a contract adjustment. And if we follow

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Speaker 6: you know, like the the trajectory of his brother's career

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Speaker 6: and kind of what his brother has done over the years.

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Speaker 6: You know, you see he went to he got you

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Speaker 6: got a new contract in Minnesota, was traded a couple

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Speaker 6: of years later, played I think a year or two

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Speaker 6: on that contract in Buffalo. I think it was just

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Speaker 6: a year maybe on that contract in Buffalo. Got another adjustment.

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Speaker 6: Then when he got traded again to the Texans, he

602
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Speaker 6: got basically his contract cut down to a single year

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Speaker 6: so he'd be able to be a free agent and

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Speaker 6: capitalized again as a free agent and going to the

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Speaker 6: highest biders.

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Speaker 7: So you know, I think, you know, if you want

607
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Speaker 7: to follow the bouncing ball, Stefan Diggs was never willing

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Speaker 7: to like just be content on the contract he was

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Speaker 7: playing on, you know, which is to his credit, like

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Speaker 7: he's trying to maximize his value as a football player.

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Speaker 6: So it wouldn't surprise you if his brother.

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Speaker 2: Was doing That's a family thing, Okay, Well, I mean.

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Speaker 6: I just think I just think that they it's hard

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Speaker 6: to just divorce one from the.

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Speaker 3: Other, right, I mean, it certainly is.

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Speaker 4: I want I want to ask you about what's going

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Speaker 4: on in Cleveland. I heard Colin cow Herd kind of

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Speaker 4: ring the bell that this is a foregone conclusion that

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Speaker 4: outside of Joe Flacco, Shador Sanders should be starting. And

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Speaker 4: I hate to have to ask you every single week,

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Speaker 4: but I guess I'm going to have to until we

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Speaker 4: see how it all plays out. Ab what is the

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Speaker 4: latest in Cleveland? And how feasible is it to think

624
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Speaker 4: that a fifth round draft pick could actually jump past

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Speaker 4: the third round draft pick, the backup and whoever the

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Speaker 4: eventual projected starter was supposed to be in this scenario.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, LeVar, I think it's you know, I

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Speaker 6: like I I think like a lot of times, and

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Speaker 6: I understand this. I used to look at things this

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Speaker 6: way too, But I think a lot of times you

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Speaker 6: look at these situations and say, well, why are you

632
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Speaker 6: wasting your time?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: Like, why would you go as a forty year old when,

635
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Speaker 6: like you know, you need answers to the position and

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Speaker 6: Joe Flacco may never bring you to a super Bowl

637
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Speaker 6: and you've got two rookies on your roster who you

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Speaker 6: want to gather information on. I think the flip side

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Speaker 6: of that is you do have a bunch of veterans

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Speaker 6: on that team that we're in the playoffs two years ago,

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Speaker 6: that are that are proud players, Maninald Scarrett and the

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Speaker 6: Award Joe Tony guys who've been around for a long time,

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Speaker 6: and I think you got the core of a pretty

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Speaker 6: good team in a very competitive division. So if Joe

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Speaker 6: Flacco is the best answer and it's clear.

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Speaker 8: Right like, then how do you go and LeVar, you

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Speaker 8: are a player, how do you face those guys on

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Speaker 8: September fifteenth or October first when they know you're not

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Speaker 8: giving I'm the best chance to win?

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Speaker 6: Now, I mean when we get to like the middle

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Speaker 6: of November, the beginning of December, if they're out of it,

652
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 6: we're talking about a totally different question, you know what

653
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 6: I mean, Like, and I don't think it's the same then.

654
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 6: But look, I think just as far as like where

655
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 6: we are now, I look, I think everybody would understand

656
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 6: if it's.

657
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 9: Close, ifs Door or Dylan Gabriel are breathing down the

658
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 9: back of Joe Flacco and it is cool and it

659
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 9: is razor thin and Joe Blacko's got a slight edge, I.

660
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 6: Think everyone would understand going with the young guy. But like,

661
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 6: if Joe Flacco or Kenny Pickett clearly win the job,

662
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 6: you know, I think Kevin Stefanski and his staff owe

663
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 6: it to the guys that have been there that are

664
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 6: trying to win right now that aren't going to be

665
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 6: too keen on the idea throwing a season overboard in

666
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 6: the name of quarterback development. He owes to those guys

667
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 6: to start the best player. So that's the way I

668
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 6: would look at it.

669
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: I got to follow up with just the idea of

670
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: understanding how in fact is a fifth round draft pick

671
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 4: able to get enough reps to get a fear look

672
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: and opportunity on what's going on. I think that that's probably,

673
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 4: honestly the biggest the biggest question mark if you ask me,

674
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 4: is like that sounds good what you're saying and theory,

675
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 4: but you're talking about four quarterbacks. There's not going to

676
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: be enough reps for somebody to impact their ability and

677
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: opportunity to start without that person understanding it. You know,

678
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco will understand that I don't have enough reps,

679
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 4: or Shador Sanders will understand somebody is. It might be

680
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: multiple guys that will be in the know, like, look,

681
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: I'm not getting enough reps to be able to impact

682
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 4: what my job situation can be.

683
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 6: Sure, So here here, here's here's the way I would

684
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 6: look at that. And I think that you can look

685
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 6: at some historical examples of this, like when lower round

686
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 6: draft picks wind up making runs at starting jobs. I

687
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 6: think one good one is Russell Wilson, right like when

688
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 6: he was in Seattle in twenty twelve, he made an

689
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 6: impression right from the start, and if you remember that offseason,

690
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 6: they invested in Matt Flynn and that was a relatively

691
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 6: big signing for them. You know, John Schneider, who've been

692
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 6: with the Packers, was part of drafting him in Green Bay.

693
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 6: But like you know, I I over the course of

694
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 6: the spring, Russell Wilson made it pretty clear in practice

695
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 6: like I am the best option for this team. And

696
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 6: so you know, I think once you get into training camp,

697
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 6: you're sort of locked in, especially with the way the

698
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 6: reps are now with the women's on how much he

699
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 6: can do, Like you really have to have a picture

700
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 6: of what your competition is going to look like. And

701
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 6: so if you're Dylan Gabriel Shad or Standards, you essentially

702
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 6: have to make your impression now because I think, like

703
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 6: what sort of impression you leave the coaches with in

704
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 6: May and June is certainly going to color like the

705
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 6: sort of opportunity you're going to get in July in August,

706
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 6: when you're actually keating for the job, and I know

707
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 6: the coaches are probably going to say, well, it's still

708
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 6: wide open, and they could still intend that at the

709
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 6: end of July, like, hey, you know this is still

710
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 6: a four man race by then, I have to think

711
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 6: that they've had some idea in their head of how

712
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 6: this is going to work out because there just aren't

713
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 6: enough ups to go around. So I think that's really

714
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 6: kind of the antel of bar is, like you look

715
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 6: at it and say, Okay, over the first, over the

716
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 6: over the over the course of the spring, you have

717
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 6: to make a big enough impression to say we can't

718
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 6: keep this guy out of a full on chance to

719
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 6: winning the starting job in the summer.

720
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio and

721
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: just in breaking all this down, the only thing I

722
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: keep thinking is Kevin Stefanski once again is put in

723
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: a difficult spot by ownership or whoever made the call

724
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: to take this path this offseason. And I say that

725
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: because he's been putting this spot ultimately because the Deshaun

726
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: Watson deal didn't work out. It's been a disa. Yes,

727
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: he brings in Joe Flacco, He's basically coaching for his

728
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: job this year. Had they brought Joe Flacco back last year,

729
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: maybe they win a few more games and maybe his

730
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: seat isn't as hot, and instead of just rolling with that,

731
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett's there, then they draft two quarterbacks in the

732
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: same draft, and and Stefanski's been as polite as he

733
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: possibly can. But I just wonder at what point Stefanski's

734
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: thinking to himself, Man, I got to get the hell

735
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: out of here, like this is like nothing. I've just

736
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: not set up for success based on my impulsive owner

737
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: and whatever he decides which way the wind is going

738
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: to blow from one off season to the next.

739
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 6: It's just weird. And I would say, like there would

740
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 6: just have been like changing priorities over the years, right,

741
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 6: So Joe, But Joe Flaco kind of came in initially

742
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 6: in twenty three as like this. He came in as this,

743
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 6: as this, you know, like emergency answer because they were

744
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 6: in such difficult position from an injury standpoint of the position.

745
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 6: You guys remember dtr I was part of that whole thing,

746
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 6: And there's just like a lot going on the reason

747
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 6: they didn't bring him back in twenty four is because

748
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 6: it was like all right, like we're going to be

749
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 6: all in behind Joe, We're going to be all in

750
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 6: behind Deshaun Watson. And it's interesting if you look at

751
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 6: the dynamics of it, Like part of it was Joe

752
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 6: Flacco had become too popular in that locker room. It

753
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 6: had become too good an answer, and I think they

754
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 6: were a little deep down afraid of like they're like, hey,

755
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 6: what happens if we get into August and Deshaun's still

756
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 6: working his way back and Joe looks better, you know what?

757
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 6: We need to get an answer based on our investment

758
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 6: and what Deshaun Watson is, you know, and then last

759
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 6: year goes away, it does, and they made the decision

760
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 6: then like in turn, we're throwing all that out, like

761
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 6: we're just going to go try to get the best

762
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 6: answers at quarterback we possibly can, if that means throwing

763
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 6: a bunch of darts at the dartboard, which is what

764
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 6: they wound up doing, and that's what we'll do. But

765
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 6: we're not doing that. We're not gonna you know, we're

766
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 6: we're not putting bubble wrap around around quarterback position anymore.

767
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 6: Like this is going to be that We're going to

768
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 6: have a full on competition, and you know, and and

769
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 6: Deshaun may be part of that, he may not, we'll

770
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 6: see with the injury. But like, this is going to

771
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 6: be an open thing, So that's how to get there.

772
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 6: I understand what you're saying about the spot Kevin's and

773
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 6: it's tough, and I'd be interested to see, like, over

774
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 6: the next couple of years, what would happen if somebody

775
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 6: came along offering draft picks. I do think like Kevin

776
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 6: is still really respected. I mean it sounds like Jonas

777
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 6: from what you're saying, like you respect the job he's

778
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 6: done based on the circumstance. He's made the playoffs twice,

779
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 6: you know, in five years, and so yeah, I mean

780
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 6: I would certainly think he would be in the category

781
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 6: of guy where you'd be like, yeah, if you're if

782
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 6: you're another team, it's at least worth asking the question

783
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 6: at this point, like is there something we could do

784
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 6: to get a chance to.

785
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: Talk to this guy?

786
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: Abe?

787
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 4: I want to keep it on the quarterback topics? Am

788
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: I wrong for thinking that the longer it takes for

789
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers to line, the more it puts Pittsburgh Steelers.

790
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: The Steelers decision makers, including the Hey coach.

791
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: Uh.

792
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: It makes the conversations that much more intense in terms

793
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 4: of the way they're managing the off seasons and the

794
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: way they're managing that position in particular.

795
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, like I think we're coming to a really

796
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 6: critical point LeVar and this whole thing. You know, I

797
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 6: know the Steelers would like to have men, you know,

798
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 6: next Tuesday when they start there. They're they're they're better

799
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 6: in mini camp, you know. I think they've they've they've

800
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 6: sort of at this point been playing by Aaron's rules

801
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 6: and they've been okay with that. The communication has been

802
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 6: really good, and there are a lot of people involved

803
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 6: or on the periphery of this thing that thinks it's

804
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 6: basically done and that he's going to be there. I

805
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 6: think the Steelers feel very comfortable that he will eventually

806
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 6: get there, But I also know like it's important to

807
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 6: them that he's at the mini camp, you know, And

808
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 6: so I think, you know, I deep my guess would

809
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 6: be like if you if you gave Art Ronie or

810
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 6: you know, or Omar Khan or Mike Tomlin truth serum,

811
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 6: they would tell you, Yeah, like, we don't think we're

812
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 6: asking that much of them, if you know, it's just hey,

813
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 6: you know, like you can do things at your own pace,

814
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 6: So we'd really like to have you here for the

815
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 6: mini camp. And then how do you manage that with

816
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 6: your team? It's a fair question. You know, it'll be

817
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 6: interesting to see the way all of that goes. But

818
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 6: you know, I know they felt like like this roster

819
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 6: that they have is in position to win right now.

820
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 6: We've been over the age thing with them, right like

821
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 6: TJ Watts thirty one, think of Fitzpatrick's twenty nine, Cam

822
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 6: Hayward's at the end, DK Metcalfs on a third contract.

823
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 6: They're really leveraged to win right now. And you know,

824
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 6: I think like their logic and in pursuing Rogers was

825
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 6: this isn't the time to swing for a single or

826
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 6: a double. This is the time to swing for the fences.

827
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 6: And so I think that's why they've been so flexible

828
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 6: with him. And you know, we'll see what that looks

829
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 6: like next week.

830
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: Alberta last one. There's been some names thrown out there,

831
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: speculation about trades, whether it's Kyle Pitts, John hus Smith,

832
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: like there's you know, the usuals that have been out

833
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: there over the past few days. Most likely trade that

834
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: you could see happening. Jalen Ramsey, whoever possibly come to

835
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: fruition here soon.

836
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, Pitts, I would say no, I'll just go to

837
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 6: the three.

838
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: He gave me a pitch.

839
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 6: I said no, you know, I just think the money.

840
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 6: He's owed over ten million dollars. He was basically in

841
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 6: a platoon with Charlie Warner last year at the position

842
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 6: in Atlanta. He's got health questions, you know, Like, I

843
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 6: just don't know how you're going to give Atlanta something

844
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 6: that's going to be enough for them to walk away

845
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 6: from the guy that invested the fourth pick in five

846
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 6: years ago, four years ago and they picked up the

847
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 6: option on and then for another team, Like, how is

848
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 6: another team going to say, like that guy's worth like

849
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 6: a third round take an eleven million dollars. It's just

850
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 6: the value is there. So I don't think he has traded.

851
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 6: I think John new to Pittsburgh is very much in play.

852
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 6: Arthur Smith is obviously a huge part of that, and

853
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 6: it would give them another answer. There's still positions like

854
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 6: with with George Dickens gun and give them flexibility too,

855
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 6: because they're already really good at the position with Pat

856
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 6: Bryert there, LaVar's guy from Penn State, and I think

857
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 6: having johna would give them good flexibility in playing twelve

858
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 6: personnel eleven personnel, you know, and obviously Arthur's got a

859
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 6: good idea how to use John New And I think

860
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 6: Kale Ramsey's probably played his last game in the Dolphin.

861
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 6: I'm not sure where he winds up, but I but

862
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 6: I do think there'll be an effort to get him

863
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 6: off the roster between now and started training camp, and

864
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 6: I think he probably won't play somewhere else next year

865
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 6: and get.

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Speaker 2: AB always appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.

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