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Speaker 2: now it's time for conversations with Friday journalists about news

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Speaker 2: and trends and show business. For fidy's Brent Lang, our executive editor,

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Speaker 2: and Elsa Kaslasi, our international editor based in Paris, join

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Speaker 2: me to break down and analyze the can lineup and

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Speaker 2: what it all means for the few dozen films that

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Speaker 2: Brent Lang and Elsa Kaslasi. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining me. Big morning CAN lineup announcement. Hi, good morning,

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Speaker 2: Happy well, Elsa, you nailed it. You told us about

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Speaker 2: about ten days ago that CAN was going to be

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Speaker 2: very heavily focused on European films, all tour driven films,

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Speaker 2: and the lineup released today absolutely bears that out. Your

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Speaker 2: sources were good, Elsa. What do you make of this lineup?

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Speaker 3: It's always difficult to say on paper, because sometimes on

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Speaker 3: paper everything looks amazing. You've got those big names and

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Speaker 3: and this year could be easy opposite. I think a

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Speaker 3: there's so many Europeans, where is Hollywood? And I'm not

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Speaker 2: Brent, do you think that the festival is your sense

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Speaker 4: No, I think it has more to do with sort

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Speaker 2: Also, your story mentions that it is a nearly unprecedented

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Speaker 3: Know, let's not forget that James Gray is a huge

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Speaker 2: Not in Queen's Yes, let me ask you both, what

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Speaker 3: There is a very interesting trend right now in France

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Speaker 3: And I'm really curious to see those two movies. And

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Speaker 3: I'm also really excited to see The Goal, which is

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Speaker 2: The Goal would be an amazing role for a great actor.

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Speaker 2: Brent, what about you?

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Speaker 4: For me? I mean, there are definitely a lot of

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for getting up early and working

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Speaker 2: We had a good conversation that took quite a surprising turn.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I have this thing about it when it's like,

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Speaker 6: you know, the Academy Awards season, what I call homework

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Speaker 2: Patricia Glazer. A conversation with Patty is never dull. Let

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Speaker 5: I agree with your expression the ultimate smear machine. It is.

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Speaker 5: We have not developed kept up with guardrails for the Internet.

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Speaker 5: We just haven't. And what people see on social media

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Speaker 2: Do you think this room knows what I'm referencing when

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Speaker 2: I say section two thirty? Do you think that's too

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Speaker 5: I think it will be narrowed. I hope it will

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Speaker 2: I wanted to follow up on something that Paul Fieg said,

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Speaker 2: Mega deals are gone. He said it flatly. You have

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Speaker 5: It's too broad a question because I think it depends

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. And now I'm going to ask you something.

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Speaker 2: This nonpartisan, but I think, yes, I think some leadership

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Speaker 5: We need a new mayor, we need a new governor,

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Speaker 5: I've said this over and over again. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 5: if you're perceived as good, you can be hugely successful here.

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Speaker 5: That's a nice thing. That's a good thing, and that

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Speaker 2: Well, I do not want to end on a pessimistic note.

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Speaker 5: Can I do a plug for Casey Washerman. He's going

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Speaker 2: April seventeenth. Don't miss my call league Emily Longaretta's interview

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Speaker 2: It's a statement about our times for sure. Before we

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