WEBVTT - Who Killed Live Music? feat. Prop

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<v Speaker 1>Als media.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh.

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<v Speaker 3>If Robert can do his a tonal shreeks, then I

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<v Speaker 3>can sing off key yo, I'm back. Help me all

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<v Speaker 3>up in your feed. Wast these rap gus get all

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<v Speaker 3>up in your feed. That's a wu tang reference again

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<v Speaker 3>to the Black delegation, shout out y'all showing up on

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<v Speaker 3>the in the subreddit. You feel me, Black folks showing

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<v Speaker 3>up and showing out. I appreciate y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>I was wrong. It's more than five of us. I

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<v Speaker 4>shout out to you, man. I love y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for showing up, and shout out all the Latinos

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<v Speaker 3>who tapped into and le puez. Hey gontodo MI hint

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<v Speaker 3>ben at gay when valivo listen.

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<v Speaker 5>We gotta really invite our Latino brothers and sisters, our

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<v Speaker 5>Theos and diaz and also our Asian black people, the

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<v Speaker 5>penoise and Penis, our Athes and Quias.

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<v Speaker 4>You're all a part of our delegation here, all of

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<v Speaker 4>our USO. We love y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole diaspora of people who seizon their chicken and

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<v Speaker 3>wash their legs. I love y'all, And to this whole

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<v Speaker 3>delegation once we add it all together is about twenty

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<v Speaker 3>of us to you. I say, y'all want something from

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<v Speaker 3>the gas station. I got you so today. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to ruin your breakfast. I don't want to ruin

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<v Speaker 3>your coffee. I'm just gonna ruin your music. This is

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<v Speaker 3>about the death of the music festival. It already happened

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<v Speaker 3>here all right now, y'all know I'll be playing. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>playing about all this like I'm only talking to the

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<v Speaker 3>melanated folks. Y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all know I'm playing, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is why while I slowly wink at

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<v Speaker 3>the brown folk, I'm just playing, y'all. I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>messing around. It's called opening. You know, you guys got

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<v Speaker 3>a great sit to humor here. All right, let's get

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<v Speaker 3>to it. Festivals like, am I right? You know, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're anywhere within a five to ten mile radius of

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<v Speaker 3>my age, I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Festivals is like these are like a write of passage.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I am not only a festival goer, but

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<v Speaker 3>a festival performer and as an artist. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>festivals were kind of in a lot of ways how

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<v Speaker 3>I marked the years. There were people that I really

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<v Speaker 3>only saw like once a year, when I was at

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<v Speaker 3>that festival, whether it was other acts, other bands, or

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<v Speaker 3>even a lot of times the volunteers or the people

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<v Speaker 3>that like put the event together, like you believe it

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<v Speaker 3>or not, you kind of make friends, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's again, these are people You're like, Dang, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>believe it was a whole year, you know, And it

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<v Speaker 3>was a good way to make sure as an artist

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<v Speaker 3>that you were making new music and had something new

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<v Speaker 3>to perform. Oh, and make sure you had some new

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<v Speaker 3>merch because you know, if you played your cards right,

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<v Speaker 3>if you've listened to my show, I've talked a lot about, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the science of festivals and as a performer

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<v Speaker 3>of like this could either be a complete waste of

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<v Speaker 3>time and money if you're on at like the main

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<v Speaker 3>stage at like twelve noon when it's like a trillion

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<v Speaker 3>degrees outside, you know, but if you can get that

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<v Speaker 3>right as the sun set, like if you're not the headliner,

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<v Speaker 3>if you could get that right at sunset, right where

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<v Speaker 3>the sun just breaks the horizon line coming down that.

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<v Speaker 4>That golden hour set.

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<v Speaker 3>The crowd isn't shitfaced yet, you know, they're at the

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<v Speaker 3>top of their molly.

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<v Speaker 4>You feel you're riding the high.

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<v Speaker 3>It is just settled in or whatever drugs that these

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<v Speaker 3>people are on, they've kind of just settled in right there.

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<v Speaker 3>They're relaxed, they're willing to sing along. Nobody's getting trample jet.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like the frenzy that kind of happens at

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<v Speaker 3>the headliner situation, where like somebody might die. Shout out,

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<v Speaker 3>astro world. I say that not as a joke. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying things can go wrong, but oh the experience. Man, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how old you are, and obviously you

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<v Speaker 3>can't answer me. Do you remember the last like big

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<v Speaker 3>festival you went to, you know, back when your knees

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<v Speaker 3>were good and it was okay for you to stand

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<v Speaker 3>for twelve hours And there's somebody you know, having sexual

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<v Speaker 3>intercourse in the porter potty. You know, you're stepping over

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<v Speaker 3>barf right, and you just paid thirty dollars for a

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<v Speaker 3>bottle of water, you know that you could stuff into

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<v Speaker 3>your clear backpack because you weren't allowed to bring anything

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<v Speaker 3>else in there. But man, that's probably a euphoria, especially

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<v Speaker 3>if it's a group or a band that you really

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<v Speaker 3>like that you saved up all year to go see.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, some people were like festival operas, Like that's

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<v Speaker 3>their thing. They spend their summer going to music festivals.

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<v Speaker 3>Since twenty twelve up to twenty fourteen, like the music

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<v Speaker 3>fest has been guys, we've.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of been on borrow time.

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<v Speaker 3>We've we lived through a music festival renaissance. According to NPR,

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<v Speaker 3>since twenty thirteen, everything sold out, the four mega giants, right, so, Coachello, Bataru,

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<v Speaker 3>Lolla Palooza in Chicago, Austin City Limits Music Festival in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like this never ending flow of amazing, amazing events,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know what, they were kind of affordable. In

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<v Speaker 3>the next five years, you had things taken forth like

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<v Speaker 3>Pitchfork in Chicago, Hangout Music Festival on the Beach and

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<v Speaker 3>the Gulf Shore outside Lands, Bali Music, Mount Oasis, Electronic Music.

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<v Speaker 4>Festival, Forecastle Festival. Right, and I'm even.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna add in this, before all this for hip hop stuff, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>we had rock the bells. Like we lived in a

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<v Speaker 3>time where you could see all of your favorite artists

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<v Speaker 3>in the most epic locations. You'd see people who if

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<v Speaker 3>you were to try to buy their tour ticket, it

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<v Speaker 3>would cost the same amount if they were headlining the

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<v Speaker 3>thing but you could see all your favorite acts. Part

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<v Speaker 3>of this was because we listened to radio, you were

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<v Speaker 3>exposed to more things and it was probably the fun

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<v Speaker 3>part about a lot of times about music festival is

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<v Speaker 3>because you probably saw that act, your favorite band, your

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<v Speaker 3>favorite rapper, you saw them at a hole in the

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<v Speaker 3>wall five years ago, which was like ten bucks to

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<v Speaker 3>get in, and you might have snuck in or got

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<v Speaker 3>on the list because you knew somebody that knew the DJ.

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<v Speaker 3>And now you're like, I followed this crew from when

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<v Speaker 3>they were like playing a whole in a wall with

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<v Speaker 3>ten people, where there was more staff at the bar

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<v Speaker 3>than on this and now you're like, dude, you feel

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<v Speaker 3>like you were a part of their evolution. Like you

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<v Speaker 3>saw Chance at the Subterranean, Now he's headline at Bonaru.

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<v Speaker 3>What a feeling you're part of the story. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 3>probably a relic of the past, and let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So festivals for most of the last decade have been

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<v Speaker 3>everywhere like whatever type of music you like, whatever subgenre,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever part of the world you want to go to,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a music festival that you can show up at. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty four, more than half of them across

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<v Speaker 3>the world were canceled.

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<v Speaker 4>I lost count on this page.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm about to read to y'all from Musicfestival Wizard dot Com.

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<v Speaker 3>Festival's canceled so far in twenty twenty four. Okay you

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<v Speaker 3>ready for this? Shindig twenty twenty four, Melt twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 3>Sideways Festival, No Stock Field, Maneuvers, Tower z The Quintinin

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<v Speaker 3>Big Slap, Electric Zoo Peach twenty twenty four. All the

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<v Speaker 3>Music Festival Life Is Beautiful Festival, Country Thunder Florida, Swanee

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<v Speaker 3>Roots Festival, edc China, Lucidity Festival in Santa Barbara, Desert

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<v Speaker 3>Days in Lake Paris, Pinefest in the UK, Good Vibes

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<v Speaker 3>Festival in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, Sierra Nevada World Music Festival

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<v Speaker 3>in Booneville, El Dorado Music Festival in the UK, Sudden

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<v Speaker 3>Little Thrills in Pittsburgh, Big Ridge Rock Fest in Virginia,

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<v Speaker 3>Lollapalooza Paris Music Midtown Atlanta, Lovers and Friends Fest in

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<v Speaker 3>Las Vegas, which I was really sad about. Riverside Festival,

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<v Speaker 3>Glasgow in where Glasgow, Soul Bloom Sacramento tw Classic twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four, in Belgium, Kaylamijas in Kaylamijas, Spain, Caldoora music

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<v Speaker 3>festival in Queensland, Made An America Festival Philadelphia, Oblivion Access

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<v Speaker 3>Austin Texas, Meadows in the Mountains twenty twenty four in Bulgaria,

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine Festival in Rome, Georgia, Splendor on the Grass in

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<v Speaker 3>Byron By Australia, Body and Soul Festival in Ireland, Moon

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<v Speaker 3>Rose Festival. I'm tired of I'm not even done yet,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not even halfway through this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Festivals died in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Digital News reports that sixty festivals in the UK alone canceled.

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<v Speaker 3>Ashley King wrote this article on August twenty third, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four, for Digital Music News, and in that she

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<v Speaker 3>says the United Kingdom has lost one hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 3>two music festivals since twenty nineteen, according to the Association

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<v Speaker 3>of Independent Festivals the AIF, which is a not for

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<v Speaker 3>profit trade festival association that represents the interest of over

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred independent UK music festivals that range from five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred to eighty thousand people. The AIF estimates that the

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<v Speaker 3>UK lost ninety six events during the COVID pandemic thirty

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<v Speaker 3>six festivals and in twenty twenty three, more than sixty

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<v Speaker 3>to date in twenty twenty four. That brings the total

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<v Speaker 3>number of festival closures either due to cancelation or post

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<v Speaker 3>pullment up to one hundred and ninety two since twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and ninety two festivals. Some may argue that, well, damn,

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<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't have had that many festivals, Coachella, Lollapalooza, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course the infamous burning Man with the most on

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<v Speaker 3>brand people that go that call themselves burners. Now, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to sit here and make fun of you burners,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm pretty sure.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of y'all listen to this show number one

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<v Speaker 4>and number two.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if there's anybody more free, anybody more

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable in their own skin.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen.

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<v Speaker 3>This might sound like a joke, Okay, I'm dead serious.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the white guy with dreadlocks. I mean, white

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<v Speaker 3>people with dreads are just most of the time, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Like this may sound like a joke, I'm deadly serious.

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<v Speaker 3>They be so okay with themselves and will do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>they got to do to continue to stay present and

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<v Speaker 3>be cool with themselves, no notes. It's the guy doing

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<v Speaker 3>hypostatic breath work, freestyling for way too long in the

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<v Speaker 3>dig redoce section. You know what I'm saying, Like he's

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<v Speaker 3>super okay with himself anyway. Burning Man for the first

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<v Speaker 3>time since twenty eleven, did not sell out for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time, And the tickets are usually released in tears

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<v Speaker 3>and some go on sale in the beginning of the year,

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<v Speaker 3>and then this part I'm getting from the Guardian, but

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<v Speaker 3>the main starting in April, right, which typically gets snapped

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<v Speaker 3>up in minutes, like Burning Man sells out in minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Seventy three thousand people are able to attend Burning Man,

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<v Speaker 3>but this first time since twenty eleven, they did not

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<v Speaker 3>sell out. Coachella saying they saw a fifteen percent decline

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<v Speaker 3>in tickets. It's the biggest festival in North America. Coachella

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<v Speaker 3>is fifteen percent ticket decline. Festivals were a way for

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<v Speaker 3>you to discover new music, to meet new friends.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like camp for like your twenties.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you get to wear your dumb ass outfits, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you get to stand out in the sun, you get

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<v Speaker 3>to drink, you get to day drink, and you get

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<v Speaker 3>to just lose your mind for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>This might be the end, the endling.

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<v Speaker 3>You may have attended your last music festival as we

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<v Speaker 3>know it. So the question is why who killed the

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<v Speaker 3>music festival? Why is the festival not festiving it? Why

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<v Speaker 3>is it not festive? Why can't y'all sell no tickets?

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<v Speaker 3>Do we not like music anymore? Do you like music?

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<v Speaker 4>Still? I thought, I still like? Do you like music? Still?

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<v Speaker 4>What the hell happened in y'all?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Oh oh oh oh?

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<v Speaker 4>We'd back back back back, yack back uh erh.

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<v Speaker 3>To understand the future as to what the hell happened,

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<v Speaker 3>we have to ask ourselves how we even.

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<v Speaker 4>Got here such a nerd I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I need to tell you what a

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<v Speaker 3>music festival is, because I mean, I think you know

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<v Speaker 3>what it is. It's an incredibly overpriced concert that features

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<v Speaker 3>maybe four groups that you like, where you are going

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<v Speaker 3>to stand outdoors somewhere brave the weather day, drink and

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<v Speaker 3>then get to lose your mind for the last like

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<v Speaker 3>three hours and just really enjoy, you know, a moment

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<v Speaker 3>that you'll really never forget. Depending on how nasty and

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<v Speaker 3>ratchet you are, how outside you are, you might look up.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, I don't. Look, it's none

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<v Speaker 3>of my business. I suggest you don't. That's just me

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<v Speaker 3>being an old head. But either way, man, they're a

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<v Speaker 3>great time. But please understand that festivals, music festivals go

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<v Speaker 3>like back to get this, five eighty two b C.

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<v Speaker 3>At least according to white people's history, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>silly you, nothing happened anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 4>Except for Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>That was music festivals in Africa, Central South America, Asia,

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<v Speaker 3>no nowhere else.

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<v Speaker 4>It don't.

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<v Speaker 3>History started in Greece. We were too busy building pyramids.

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<v Speaker 6>Right anyway, I'm gonna lead out put oh, but every

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<v Speaker 6>cracking you up. They'd be like the first music festival

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<v Speaker 6>on record in ancient Greece during the Pytheon Games, which

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<v Speaker 6>is fine, it's it's fine, it's fine, but understand, at

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<v Speaker 6>the way the world just the only one.

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<v Speaker 3>That ever happened anyway, So five eighty two BC, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And like the Olympic Games, the Pytheon Games took place

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<v Speaker 3>every four years and included poetry reading, a speech, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and other musical game like competitions. People gathered to enjoy,

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<v Speaker 3>like hymns and instruments instrumental performances at the Apollo at

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<v Speaker 3>the Apollo I'm So Black dedicated to Apollo, which was

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<v Speaker 3>the god of arts and music. Now fast forward to

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<v Speaker 3>the seventeenth century, where you have like classical music festivals

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<v Speaker 3>and like the type of like exclusivity right where like

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<v Speaker 3>when in the seventeenth century when like classical music just

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<v Speaker 3>basically ate Europe and music festivals originally were like supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be a gathering where people could, like what you think,

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<v Speaker 3>gather and celebrate music.

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<v Speaker 4>However, here's where it starts coming into focus.

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<v Speaker 3>The wealthcap was widening across Europe, so festivals gradually became

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like how they are where they're a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit exclusive, catering primarily to more higher educated upper class.

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<v Speaker 3>And the shift became apparent as events became more exclusive

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<v Speaker 3>and had increasingly restricted access. This is from ndlbeast dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a whole section on like the history of

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<v Speaker 3>music festivals. One could argue, like this like the prototype

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<v Speaker 3>of like the VIP section. You know, I'm saying, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you can get the pit tickets or you

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<v Speaker 3>can stand outside with the pores and just listen from

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<v Speaker 3>the outside. So this trend kind of continued for centuries

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<v Speaker 3>where like a lead class. I think almost like was

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the breaking of music in general. They

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<v Speaker 3>were control the access to culture. I have a friend

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<v Speaker 3>that wrote a book called Don't Be Precious. Now, me

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<v Speaker 3>and this friend differ in a lot of ways, but

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<v Speaker 3>he's just a punk rock dude, and his approach to

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<v Speaker 3>making art is like, you can't have this like restricting access,

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<v Speaker 3>right because it becomes it just like upper class art

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<v Speaker 3>is this creation of the leisure class, because one they

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<v Speaker 3>have the patron to pay for them to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to sit down and contemplate the stars, like you got

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<v Speaker 3>all precious about it, you feel me. So some of

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<v Speaker 3>that has to do with again, the wealth gap. So

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<v Speaker 3>when you restrict access to hearing music, it draws deeper

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<v Speaker 3>into the divides between like the educated upper class and

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<v Speaker 3>then the traveling folk musicians who performed for the commoners.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's like this stuff you see on you know,

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<v Speaker 3>corny little movies. Then the world wars come, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's like a music revival, right. So when the First

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<v Speaker 3>World War broke out, obviously change of lifestyle meaning everything

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<v Speaker 3>went to like you know, war effort. So this is

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<v Speaker 3>a really interesting quote. It says, I'm the same MDL beast.

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<v Speaker 3>As society focused on wartime efforts and staying safe, the

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<v Speaker 3>exclusivity of music festivals to the upper class disappeared. In

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<v Speaker 3>a turn of events, the working class population was now

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<v Speaker 3>turning to music more than ever. Jazz and folk emerged

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<v Speaker 3>as popular genres right to avoid the scrutiny of the elite.

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<v Speaker 3>Groups of musicians with similar tastes would gathering diede bars

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<v Speaker 3>and underground clubs. By the time the war had ended,

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<v Speaker 3>jazz has cemented itself as the genre of the era.

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<v Speaker 3>So now we're talking Harlem Renaissance, juke joints, and the

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<v Speaker 3>emergence of like again this where black people come in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times the role that just the all

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<v Speaker 3>out anti black racism has unintentionally because of it, created

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<v Speaker 3>some of the most dopest things, some of the most

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<v Speaker 3>dopest American experiences. Or I just read up on how

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<v Speaker 3>with HBCUs which are historic black colleges that now white

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<v Speaker 3>people trying to attend. They like your school of fund well,

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<v Speaker 3>because we wasn't allowed it yours anyway, So let me continue. So,

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<v Speaker 3>World War two played a pivotal role in creating the

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<v Speaker 3>Newport Folk Festival, organized by Lewis and Elaine Lauryland, a

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<v Speaker 3>couple met during World War Two and came together to

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<v Speaker 3>revolutionized Rhode Island's music artistic community by promoting jazz with

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<v Speaker 3>the foundation in as in blues, in country and pop music.

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<v Speaker 3>They expanded to attract over eleven thousand people in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>fifty four. Then the sixties the birth of the modern

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<v Speaker 3>music festival. Right obviously Woodstock, which was the invention Monterey

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<v Speaker 3>International Pop Music Festival. This is the rock festival as

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<v Speaker 3>we know it, Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Joplin who it was

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<v Speaker 3>the place to be a cultural experience as we know it.

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<v Speaker 3>Again is that then you got like the Berlin Wall

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<v Speaker 3>in the music revolution. This is where festivals become political

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<v Speaker 3>and cultural. They become a statement and a big one

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<v Speaker 3>was in the nineties when they did the Berlin Wall

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<v Speaker 3>tearing Down Music Festival, which was an amazing thing, right

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<v Speaker 3>where underground stations, power plants, World War Two bunkers and

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<v Speaker 3>abandoned buildings all started to serve as makeshift concert halls.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why Europe became such a place for music festivals.

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<v Speaker 3>It became a sign of freedom and solidarity. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the music festival took a shit. They just died in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineties after this all can be explained in when

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<v Speaker 3>they tried to redo Woodstock just a shit show with

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<v Speaker 3>like Limp Biscuit.

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<v Speaker 4>And all them you a shit show.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a documentary on Netflix about the absolute disaster that

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<v Speaker 3>that new Woodstock was, y'all. I'm talking like y'all thought

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<v Speaker 3>Astro World was bad where them kids was raising so

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<v Speaker 3>much and people die. You talking about understaffed. Y'all think

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<v Speaker 3>Firefest was a disaster, my nigger, Well, nah, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think anything was worse than firefests so far a good thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It didn't happen like y'all remember Firefest?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh lord, honestly, I can't believe I made it almost

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<v Speaker 3>twenty minutes into this and then mentioned Firefest because it

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<v Speaker 3>is the perfect example of what went wrong in the

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<v Speaker 3>music festival world. Because, like I said, this disaster in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineties to two thousands, if you were able to

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<v Speaker 3>survive like I said earlier, like the Bonnarous Coachella's Austin

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<v Speaker 3>City limits, if you were able to survive Lollapalooza, then

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<v Speaker 3>you came out the other end and became the go

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<v Speaker 3>to places.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, tell your ride for folk music.

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<v Speaker 3>You became the go to places that if you were

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<v Speaker 3>going to try to have a career.

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<v Speaker 4>As an artist, you have to play one of these festivals.

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<v Speaker 3>No matter how much money you don't make at these things,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to do it because this is where not

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<v Speaker 3>only do you get the necessary co sign, you also

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<v Speaker 3>get discovered. Like as far as fans like, you make

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<v Speaker 3>new fans, you se merge people, walk away with the

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<v Speaker 3>T shirt. You're on this T shirt that says Bonnarou

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty one, and your name is so like even

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<v Speaker 3>if you're way down on the bottom, Grab your little screenshots,

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<v Speaker 3>take your little Instagram photos, because now you're in the game.

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<v Speaker 4>And the game it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was, which leads us to what went wrong because this

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<v Speaker 3>was not only a money making endeavor. This was a

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<v Speaker 3>money making endeavor in twenty fourteen, are y'all ready for this?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you ready for this? In the boom years,

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<v Speaker 3>according to an analysis done by a Finance Buzz, in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fourteen, general emission prices for major and music festivals

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<v Speaker 3>increased by fifty five percent that outpaced just inflation period,

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<v Speaker 3>y'all jacked up the price. So listen, So if your

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<v Speaker 3>ja rule head ass, of course I'm gonna build a festival.

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<v Speaker 3>You're looking at Burning Man, You're looking at Bonnarou, You're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at all these things.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like, bro, let's just get an island and make

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<v Speaker 4>a festival. There's so much money to be made.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, capitalism being capitalism, it's gonna keep capitalism.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's talk about what killed the festival.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, oh, oh, you see, I just did my

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<v Speaker 3>own fade out and fade in music. Y'all see that. No,

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<v Speaker 3>don't ask me what note that was. So what killed

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<v Speaker 3>the festival? There one number of things. First of all, yo,

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<v Speaker 3>ask for not going I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not blaming the victims here. Some of these answers

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<v Speaker 3>are pretty obvious, like again, you know astra World like,

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<v Speaker 3>but astral World is just a good picture of everything

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<v Speaker 3>that went wrong in the concept of a music festival.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first problem is, yeah, capitalism, sometimes you are

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<v Speaker 3>led to believe that what is will always be right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what a stable economy lulls you into believing. But

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<v Speaker 3>anybody that knows how money works, it's booms and busts,

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<v Speaker 3>the bubble will pop, and how a bubble pops is

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<v Speaker 3>almost always our own fault in this sense, the housing bubble,

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<v Speaker 3>you know of two thousand and eight when your mama

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<v Speaker 3>and him lost their house because the reality was they

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't have never got that loan in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>These people knew good and well that you was not

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<v Speaker 3>able to keep up with that mortgage. But we were

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<v Speaker 3>selling too many houses. It was going too good. So

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<v Speaker 3>the thing was for almost the you know, almost a decade,

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<v Speaker 3>you couldn't make enough festivals. The industry couldn't keep up

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<v Speaker 3>with the demand. And yo, this the blog error. This

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<v Speaker 3>the two Doe Boys. Yeah, Pitchfork like this the blog error.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. When Fader was like a

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<v Speaker 4>thing that you would want to go soon.

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<v Speaker 3>So like it all kind of worked together around this

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<v Speaker 3>time before all these spots got bought out hip hop DX,

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<v Speaker 3>like all these pages got bought out. Like I said before,

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<v Speaker 3>it was like this boom in twenty fourteen of a

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<v Speaker 3>trillion festivals that started happening. Now what happened was ticket prices.

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<v Speaker 3>This's the first one. We're making so much money. You realize, Dang,

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<v Speaker 3>if I charge one hundred, I bet you I could

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<v Speaker 3>charge to hundred if I charged doing it, I bet

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<v Speaker 3>you I could charge foe hundred because if you charge

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<v Speaker 3>foe hun and then I could argue I'm getting bigger acts.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the boom years, according to this analysis by Finance,

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<v Speaker 3>buzz ticket prices since twenty fourteen for most music festivals

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<v Speaker 3>increased by fifty five percent. Like that's super outpacing even

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<v Speaker 3>inflation in the same time period. This isn't like cost

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<v Speaker 3>the living type shit type beat.

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<v Speaker 4>No oh, I'm raping y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know that Burning Man cost five hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>seventy five dollars to go to If you was going,

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<v Speaker 3>you was probably gonna make some sort of like art

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<v Speaker 3>installation to destroy you doing that all your own money,

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<v Speaker 3>which meant what.

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<v Speaker 4>Same thing happened in the seventeenth century.

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<v Speaker 3>It just becomes a place for the elite because can't

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<v Speaker 3>nobody else afford to go. You know what else happened

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<v Speaker 3>to a lot of festivals is corporation's bottom. You know

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<v Speaker 3>who bought complex BuzzFeed and you know who bought it

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<v Speaker 3>from buzzfeedn't work.

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<v Speaker 4>Nt WRK, It's an investment firm.

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<v Speaker 3>You know who owns the Pitchfork Festival, Condy nast a

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<v Speaker 3>media company. They bought the blog and folded it into GQ.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a corporation. Capitalism. Capitalism broke the festivals under

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<v Speaker 3>the banner of capitalism, not so much the cost of

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<v Speaker 3>the ticket and the soaring cost of living.

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<v Speaker 4>It also costs too much to make the festival.

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<v Speaker 3>To John Roston, he's the CEO that AIF, the Independent

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<v Speaker 3>Association of Festivals.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, the toilet higher, I just need to buy

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<v Speaker 4>porter potties.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty twenty one was twenty eight thousand dollars for

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<v Speaker 3>the exact same amount of toilets at twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>is fifty four thousand dollars. That's just the toilets. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what happened at Astro World. He ain't have enough security.

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<v Speaker 3>It costs so much you honestly cannot afford to put

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<v Speaker 3>together a festival that will be alluring enough to consumers

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<v Speaker 3>to justify spending that much money. So what do you get?

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<v Speaker 3>A gang of corporate sponsors? And you know what a

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<v Speaker 3>gang of corporate sponsors at a music festival is whack.

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 3>It's a horrible ass experience because you're just watching a

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.199
<v Speaker 3>gang of commercials. Sometimes it just be labels who be

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 3>putting on these artists that they trying to bring, and

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 3>then the artists be trash. They don't be trash because

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.439
<v Speaker 3>they trash. They be trash because they're not ready for

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 3>this size stage. They ain't put in the work. They

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 3>didn't do the Gurney, Illinois experience that I think I've

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.360
<v Speaker 3>told before. What is the most terrifying experience I've ever

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 3>had on tour? You don't had him experiences. You ain't

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 3>played shows when it's more people at the bar, or

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 3>there's more people that work there then come to see you.

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 3>You're not ready for no festival stage, so it's just

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 3>not fun for the concer. So I'm not gonna buy it.

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 3>You can't justify this price. If I'm gonna spend that

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 3>much money, I need to really, really, really really.

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Like this band. This need to be my favorite artist.

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm not finna stand around twelve hours pay this much

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 3>money to really only see one act I like.

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 4>That don't make no damn sense.

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 3>And we'll talk about why they only like that one

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 3>artist a little bit later, So remember this point I'm making.

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 3>The second and most obvious one is COVID, which leads

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 3>into the third and fourth, you had to cancel stuff.

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 4>Nobody knew this was coming. Like the el's companies took.

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 3>I canceled a tour. Not only I canceled a tour,

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 3>I released the poetry book that I couldn't tour. I

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 3>mean I personally lost tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:19.360
<v Speaker 3>of thousands of dollars in touring revenue, in book sales,

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 3>in merch sales, and all of it. Like, I lost

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 3>so much because you just had to, and I'm still

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 3>trying to get that money back. A lot of festivals

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 3>just have never been able to make their money back

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 3>from what they lost, so there's not enough money now. Obviously,

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 3>when the pandemic ended, there was a lot of pent up.

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:40.719
<v Speaker 4>Energy to be like, I need to go outside.

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 3>But that's because me and you didn't spend two years

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 3>of our high school experience, our two first years of

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 3>college stuck at home. Remember that's the time when you

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 3>get the taste to go outside, when you start finding

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 3>your drinking buddies, yo outside friends, your music friends. You

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 3>have to remember those years, dude, did Those years are

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 3>when you're discovering All research says it's like your taste

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 3>in music happens in those years. Right, If I were

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 3>to ask you what your favorite area of music, most

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 3>likely it's not always, but most likely it was like

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 3>the music you listened to in the eleventh grade, it's

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 3>probably your favorite era. Whatever you was listening to the

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 3>n is probably still your favorite era. Now, obviously that's

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 3>not true for everybody. But hey, if you were seventeen

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 3>you were discovering new music, you want to go to

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 3>like the Cornerhouse of Blues, right, you know this is

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 3>obviously I'm California centric.

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 4>You wanted to hit the Glasshouse. Man?

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 3>Could you just heard about this new band? Little stings

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 3>like that, the Dragonfly, Whiskey of Go Go, the Viper Room,

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 3>all these like smaller spots that when for us out

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 3>of La these were like rights a passage. This is

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 3>how you get to say I saw them win. I

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 3>knew who Will I Am was for the Black Eyed

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Peas because I saw him at the Little Temple which

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 3>is now called the Virgil when he did a beat battle.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 3>They were at the corner, you know what I'm saying,

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 3>And it was fun. I knew Foster of the people.

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 3>They're in San Diego.

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 4>You would just drive down like just at the gas

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 4>lamp like Leon bridges Hell. He opened for us. You

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, Like.

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Again, like we said in the earlier these these bands

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 3>that you was passionate about. You was seventeen with your

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 3>little Emo hare swooped over your eyes this or you

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 3>was crying over you understand what I'm saying, Like hugging

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 3>onto your little iPad, you know, doing that MySpace picture

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 3>when you looking down. You know it's the white people

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 3>think like this is when you went to go see them.

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 3>If that era for you was a pandemic, you didn't

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 3>acquire a taste for going out like that.

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 4>You saw concerts inside a fortnite.

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 3>So what I'm saying is one of the biggest things

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 3>about gen Z is they don't go out.

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 4>It's just it's just the reality. Not only do it

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 4>ain't got no money.

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 3>They ain't got no money because again inflation and fine,

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 3>the cost of living is insane. But look it, gen

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Z don't drink like we used to drink. They do

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 3>fewer drugs, they have less sex. Part of that is

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 3>because one they hella anxious and.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't blame them.

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at my daughter now and I'm like, I'm sorry, baby,

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 3>you probably not gonna buy no house ever. I don't

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 3>even know when you're gonna move out. I don't know

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 3>what to tell you. I'm not mad. I ain't gonna

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 3>push you out of this house, because where you're gonna go,

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna get seven roommates.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry.

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 3>They do fewer drugs, they drink less, and they don't

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 3>go nowhere because one, they anxious as hell. They nervous

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 3>around being around that many people. And if they are

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 3>gonna go out, if you ask them, the number one

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 3>thing they say is like, I ain't got nobody to

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 3>go with I mean I could go. I ain't got

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 3>nobody to go with you, cause you ain't got no friends.

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 3>You don't go nowhere, right. I've been looking at my

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 3>own child, like why you here?

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 4>Cuz, like don't you you're a go nowhere.

0:31:56.200 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 3>She's starting to now, but listen, you gotta really really,

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 3>really really.

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 4>Really want to see this person that you're going to see.

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 3>She bought Billie Eilis tickets in February the concert next month.

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 3>She decided, if I'm gonna spend this money this one,

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna spend it on right, because it's.

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 4>Worth her money.

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 3>She loves them, she loves her, she got the album,

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 3>she went to the listening party, She's like, this is

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 3>who I'm gonna go see. They don't look and see

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 3>who's playing, or just pull up at adult music spot

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 3>and just be like, oh, one, who's playing. I'm gonna

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 3>discover new music. Now that don't happen. You can't put

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 3>on no festival if people ain't willing to come, which

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 3>leads me to one of the other problems they did,

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 3>which is the music industry itself. It is shocked themselves

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 3>in the foot because the big dogs, just like I

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 3>said happened in the seventeen hundreds, are doing fine. If

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Live Nation and ticket Master own every venue, they only

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.479
<v Speaker 3>gonna put the artists that they won't own their it

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 3>costs too much.

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 4>So they're like, I understand what's going on with y'all festivals.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 3>I know we doing all right, because if you are

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 3>an industry artist with the machine behind you, number one,

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 3>you don't need a festival.

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 4>You booked the Greek theater yourself.

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Why would I allow myself as an artist for you

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 3>to pay me?

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Guess who turned down Coachella next year? Rihanna and Kendrick.

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Why would either of them play that when they know

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 3>they can be the only artist and sell just as

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 3>many tickets. Kendrick played Staples. I'm calling his Staples because

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm from LA. I know it's just a corporation. He

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 3>played Staples four nights in a row where the Lakers played,

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 3>but that was after doing four nights at the Honda

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 3>Center in Orange County. These are eight Southern California shows,

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 3>sold them all out. Why the hell would I give

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 3>that money to Coachella when I could do it myself.

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 3>Live Nation already taking a huge ass cut. Ticketmaster already

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 3>taking a huge ass cut. Scalper's already taking a huge

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 3>ass cut. There's no reason for me to give my

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 3>time and my ticket draw to you when they can

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 3>all go to myself. You did this to yourself music

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 3>industry by locking out all the small venues. You know

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 3>what else the music industry did to itself streaming the

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 3>algorithm that also killed the festival. You know why, because

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 3>you're fed the same music. Algorithm says you like this,

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 3>you probably don't like that, which means.

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.840
<v Speaker 4>We know all people be like music all sound the same, because.

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 3>It does because The goal is to play music that

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 3>feeds the algorithm. You create music that gets your streaming

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 3>numbers up. This is the point I was making earlier.

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 3>While you like, I don't know nobody else on this thing,

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 3>and I'm only really concerned about the headliner. This is

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 3>the point I was making earlier. Algorithm, you create music

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 3>that works on TikTok. So music has this formula. They

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 3>did the same thing with coffee shops. You know why

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 3>coffee shops look like brutaliss mid century, all of them Instagram.

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.359
<v Speaker 3>We're all looking at the same aesthetic. So therefore all

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 3>coffee shops look the same. The same thing happened with

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 3>music the algorithm. So you have these entire very specific niches.

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 3>But can everyone in your weird niche. Are there thirty

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:26.439
<v Speaker 3>artists in your very weird niche that can bring ten

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 3>thousand people out to a field? No, because there's only

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 3>forty of y'all that like this music that's online streaming.

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 3>There's no human editorial, there's no DJ that's saying, yo, dude, long,

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 3>look at this.

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 4>No, look at this.

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 3>You're stuck to doing it yourself, and hopefully you can

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:47.280
<v Speaker 3>climb out your algorithm, right J McDonald says, a genre

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 3>unfocused festival poster lineup starts to just look like a

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 3>playlist that has been made and personalized for somebody else. Okay,

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 3>you want to do a genre specific one, let's just say, okay,

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 3>kpop fly on and acts from Korea? How much you're

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 3>gonna sell all these tickets for? How many k pop

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:05.439
<v Speaker 3>acts do you get?

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 4>You don't book nobody local? Do you how much money

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 4>that would cost? Or you say I'm gonna do a

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.320
<v Speaker 4>k pop day? All right?

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:14.839
<v Speaker 3>So you do a three day festival. One day's k pop,

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 3>one day's EDM, one day's hip hop.

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 4>Uh, nobody's bout a three day pass.

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 3>So one day might be trash And how do you

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.759
<v Speaker 3>build it? What does the flyer look like? I don't

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 3>know half of these people. I ain't never even heard

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:31.919
<v Speaker 3>of that. No single act can sell a festival, and

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 3>if you try to do a multi different act thing,

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 3>it's just gonna confuse the consumer. So if you're putting

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 3>on the festival, your only option is to just go big.

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 3>This has to do with money, So you are going

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:48.439
<v Speaker 3>to overspend, right, because it's like, how are you gonna

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 3>get people here? You get Taylor Swift. Do you know

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 3>how much money you gotta offer somebody like a Taylor

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 3>Swift for her to give her performance to your festival

0:36:58.200 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 3>rather than just to do her own show.

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:05.320
<v Speaker 4>And the consumer says, again, is this worth my money?

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm willing to throw this money at this big act

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:10.479
<v Speaker 3>because that's what the Alcali, that's.

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 4>Who I know.

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 3>They're not gonna risk no more because music discovery is

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 3>now algorithmic. You're not just gonna go pull up at

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 3>a spot and be like, who's this open or they're dope.

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 3>The industry did it to itself. You killed your own

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 3>performance market. And because Live Nation brought up all the

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 3>small venues where artists really get their chops and really

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 3>create fan bases and really you get to discover and

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 3>make connections with it, there's no places for them to play.

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 3>All that's left are the big industry artists and why

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 3>again would they give their ticket sales to a festival?

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 3>And lastly, climate change. It's hot as hell. The last

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 3>two burning bands poured rain and flooded. Before that, it

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 3>was like one hundred and twenty nine million degrees.

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:00.640
<v Speaker 4>It's hot.

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 3>It's too hot to be out there like this climate y'all,

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 3>and enough water. It's hot as hell. It's hot as hell,

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 3>or it's floody. It's hot or it's floody. Ain't no

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:18.439
<v Speaker 3>more nice days outside. I find the stand outside all day.

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 3>You crazy?

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 4>You gonna make me pay extra for shade. It's an

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 4>extra one hundred dollars so I can have a humbrother.

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:30.959
<v Speaker 4>I'm good. Just hold on, we're staying home. Staying home.

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 3>Okay, now again, let's rebuild the world. What can we

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 3>do better? That's in our control. So festivals might be done,

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't mean we don't still love music. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're a music lover, here are some suggestions I can

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<v Speaker 3>give you that would keep your favorite bands in the game.

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<v Speaker 3>The first is the easiest one for you, which of course,

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 3>is buying or streaming their music. If you're gonna stream,

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<v Speaker 3>here's the thing, dude, I'm not an old guy to

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<v Speaker 3>say that, like your release Radar or your New Music Friday,

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:15.720
<v Speaker 3>that algorithmic playlist that's like customized just for you, it's great.

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<v Speaker 3>My request that I think would help is this. If

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<v Speaker 3>a song pops on and you dig it, save it

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<v Speaker 3>number one, and then too, go to the album, go

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<v Speaker 3>to that artist's page and give them a follow and

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 3>listen to the album. You heard the song, the song

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<v Speaker 3>was dope, and if it really resonate, I'm not begging

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 3>you to do something that you don't like, listen to

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 3>that album, you know the whole Like artists blowing up

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<v Speaker 3>on TikTok. That's why Universal was just like man tried

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<v Speaker 3>to dead all that, you know, So if the artist

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<v Speaker 3>blows up on TikTok, you you really like that, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not like yo, like go to that artist page, go

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 3>to their music like, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Instead of just like shooting a video like that. Stuff's

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<v Speaker 4>short lived.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're artists, like obviously you hope that one day

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 3>that happens, but that's not sustainable. You can't tour off that.

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 3>That's what happened to a lot of ours. Why I

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<v Speaker 3>Spice cancel half for tour dates is because there's not songs.

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<v Speaker 4>There's TikTok audios. You feel me.

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<v Speaker 3>That helps the artists know when they try to go

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<v Speaker 3>get a show that they can prove that, like, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>these are listeners. When you go to my Spotify page,

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 3>we go to any Spotify page, the first number you

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<v Speaker 3>see is monthly listeners but that don't mean followers. I

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 3>have this weird upside down thing. Most people have more

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 3>monthly listeners than followers. I'm the opposite. I have three

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:38.400
<v Speaker 3>times more followers than monthly listeners, which means these people

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 3>are going to be alerted when I drop music. Why

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 3>I have that is because I toured so hard. I

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<v Speaker 3>played every possible dumb, ugly venue I possibly could, like,

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 3>gotted out the mud, shook hands, stayed after, stayed at

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<v Speaker 3>the merch table, took pictures, got email addresses, got phone numbers,

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 3>came back, you know, signed everything. I would stay after

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 3>the show for an extra hour until everybody got their

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 3>picture and everybody got their stuff signed, hard fought so

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 3>that way, You're right, I'm not cranking out music that

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<v Speaker 3>feeds the algorithm.

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 4>You're right. But when I drop an album, they no.

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<v Speaker 3>So my request as the consumer is follow that artist

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<v Speaker 3>like close to the album. And secondly, the most obvious

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:37.320
<v Speaker 3>one is like dude by merch. Oh my god, y'all,

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying like merch has been the difference between car

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<v Speaker 3>insurance and not. For me, merch has been the difference

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<v Speaker 3>between can my daughter stay in her you know, dance

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 3>class her after school, like ballet class. Merch Like merch

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 3>is how we paid for our daughters. So during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 3>hell merch it paid our rent because all he had. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>as an artist, you need to have dope merch.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I mean.

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 3>If your merch sucks, that I mean, it is what

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 3>it is. I can't ask you to, you know, purchase

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 3>something that's trash. Artists make dope merch. You know, I

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 3>have vinyl. Vinyl costs a lot, but you can go

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:20.720
<v Speaker 3>to my website there's vinyl like that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Those make a difference.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'd also ask, like, if you really dig

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 3>an artist, this is on the artist's job to like

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 3>sign up for their newsletter, find out when they're touring,

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 3>and just and go to their shows. And when you

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 3>get there like another game. I think I told this

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 3>on the Politics podcast too, where it's like most of

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<v Speaker 3>the time as the artist, I keep the door like

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 3>meaning the ticket sales, and then the venue keeps the bar.

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 4>So their thing is like, well, they're going to make

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<v Speaker 4>a ton of money on the bar.

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 3>But that's how I get to come back is if

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 3>this venue says, oh, yeah, he brought you know, three

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 3>hundred people here, they respected my staff, they bought drink

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 3>and me as an artist, my team, I'd be silly

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 3>on stage, but we're very, very professional. I take my

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 3>reputation very serious. We make sure that like the talent buyer,

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:13.920
<v Speaker 3>the venues, everybody taken care of.

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 4>We're not yelling at the sound man. You know, we

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:17.439
<v Speaker 4>keep a clean green room.

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 5>Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are things you could do as an artist, but

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 3>as a consumer, like I know the algorithm's fighting against you,

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 3>but like, if you really like a group, go out

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:29.760
<v Speaker 3>of your way, even if it's on the discovery things. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>the big people is easy. Beyonce's tickets are gonna come

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 3>find you. You ain't gotta go find them. But Johnny

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Swim but the hot shakes, right, that's what they call

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 3>go find them because at the end of the day,

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 3>it's your presence. If you're gonna stay in music, you

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 3>have to get butts in seats. Is this for us

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 3>to save music festivals? I don't care they did that

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:53.800
<v Speaker 3>to themselves. I'm just trying to save live music because truly, truly,

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<v Speaker 3>there is nothing like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh oh oh oh oh, it could happen.

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