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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, where we

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Speaker 1: discuss all things mental health, personal development, and all the

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Speaker 1: versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy Harden Bradford,

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Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. To get more information

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Speaker 1: and resources, visit the website at Therapy for Black Girls

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Speaker 1: health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much for joining me

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Speaker 1: for session forty five of the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I hope that you're having an amazing week I know

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Speaker 1: that I am. I'm still riding the high for my

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Speaker 1: trip to what kind of this weekend. I hope that

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Speaker 1: or that you definitely will soon. While Black Panther is

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Speaker 1: the musty movie that we're talking about this year, last

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Speaker 1: year this time we were all likely discussing another very

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Speaker 1: popular movie, get Out. This past Monday marked the one

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Speaker 1: year anniversary since the release of get Out, so it

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Speaker 1: seems fitting that our episode this week focuses on hypnotherapy.

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Speaker 1: For today's episode, I'm Joined by Gina Golden. Gina is

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Speaker 1: a licensed clinical social worker, psychotherapist, speaker, trainer, coach, and

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Speaker 1: author in Atlanta, Georgia. She received her Bachelors of Social

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Speaker 1: Social Work from Clark Atlanta University School of Social Work

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Speaker 1: in nine. She was trained in hypnotherapy in two thousand fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Her holistic therapy ACTICE embraces a mind, body, and soul

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Speaker 1: centered approach that focuses on helping clients discover their divine

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Speaker 1: inner power to help heal their suffering. The therapeutic modalities

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Speaker 1: that resonate with her are cognitive behavioral therapy and solution

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Speaker 1: focused therapy. She uses mindfulness techniques and strength based approaches

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Speaker 1: to hypnotherapy in her practice as well. Ms Golden's clients

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Speaker 1: enjoy the complementary modality she incorporates in her practice, such

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Speaker 1: as her training as Adula Ricky and Energy practitioner, Healing Crystals, aromatherapy,

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Speaker 1: and neural coach leadership training to serve her clients. Gina

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Speaker 1: of holistic and neuroscience based research. She is affectionately called

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Speaker 1: the Inner Coach because her mission is to help people

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Speaker 1: eliminate their inner critic and embrace their inner coach for

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Speaker 1: a success. Gina and I discuss some of the common

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Speaker 1: a hypnotherapy session. Here's our conversation. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us today, Gina, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having me, and greetings to you and your listeners. So

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to have you on the podcast to

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Speaker 1: talk about one of your specialties, which is hypnotherapy. So

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Speaker 1: can you start by giving us a definition of what

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Speaker 1: the hypnotherapy is. Yes, So hypnotherapy is a very natural process, um,

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Speaker 1: And what it is is um it's an altered state

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Speaker 1: factor in your conscious mind, UM it gets relaxed during

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Speaker 1: hypnotherapy and they're more focused, focus and inner concentration, right,

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Speaker 1: and so UM, I help my clients to kind of

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Speaker 1: And so hypnosis, like I said, it's very easy. It's UM.

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Speaker 1: Many of us are We experience what we call highway

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Speaker 1: So UM hypotherapy is really just that process UM, and

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Speaker 1: part of their trait to always feel like I have

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Speaker 1: to be really really really in control. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this might be a person who just can't even meditate

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Speaker 1: a room of other people, or just have to be

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Speaker 1: on highlert. Sometimes these people are not great candidates, although

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Speaker 1: they can morph into that, you know, into a good

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Speaker 1: fit over time. Once we establish a report and you know,

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Speaker 1: establish the safety in the space, then they can you know,

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Speaker 1: actually become a good fit. But if initially, if they're

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Speaker 1: that way, then I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't go there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: got you. So if someone feels like they want to

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Speaker 1: might be something that would be a good modality for

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Speaker 1: me to address my concerns, or there's certain things that

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Speaker 1: they should be looking for in terms of like choosing

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Speaker 1: a provider or their certain credentials or things that people

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Speaker 1: should be mindful of. Yes, um so I think that

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Speaker 1: a person who wants to do this, I think that

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Speaker 1: they one should, um consider the commitment to the process.

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Speaker 1: You know, ask themselves, you know, how much of a

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Speaker 1: commitment am I willing to make? Because it's not really

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Speaker 1: a one time fix. And if any hypnotherapist says that

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Speaker 1: that I would I would be cautious that, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just come one time and your your problems are you know, resolved.

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Speaker 1: That would be cautious about that. So I would suggest

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Speaker 1: that the client consider their commitment. It's one of us

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Speaker 1: ask that question of the hypnotherapist, like how much of

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Speaker 1: the commitment, time, commitment, emotional commitment is this UM? And

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Speaker 1: of course you know that along with that would be

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Speaker 1: how many sessions do they think UM? Or does the

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Speaker 1: hyplotherapist think that is a prescribed amount of sessions for

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Speaker 1: that particular issue concern or problem um uh an absolute.

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Speaker 1: The person that is seeking hypnotherapy should definitely enquire about

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Speaker 1: training and UM, credentialing or any other types of experience

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Speaker 1: that the hypnotherapist has UM and of course UM. The

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Speaker 1: client might want to consider does their health insurance pay

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Speaker 1: for this? UM? Is this something that they would have

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Speaker 1: to pay out of pocket? Like who where does the

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Speaker 1: payment come from? Is it their responsibility or an insurance responsibility? UM?

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Speaker 1: And then I would also encourage them to ask the

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Speaker 1: hypnotherapy for well, what is it that you specialize in

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Speaker 1: or or what is it that you absolutely don't work

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Speaker 1: with that way, you know, everyone is pretty much clear

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Speaker 1: at the onset UM. And again, UM, I would caution

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Speaker 1: people to be um very leerious someone who says, well,

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Speaker 1: I could fix your problem in one session. So I

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Speaker 1: just think that there is more involved with UM, with

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Speaker 1: the process of healing than on session from immy modality

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Speaker 1: can offer UM. And so just keep in mind that

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Speaker 1: hypnotis certification is a voluntary process, so some states do

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Speaker 1: require registration, while others have certain guidelines, and then some

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Speaker 1: restrict certain usage of terms, like in some states you

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Speaker 1: have to call yourself a hypnotist, in other states it's hypnotherapists.

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Speaker 1: In other states it could be consultant hypnotis, consulting hypnotists, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: So it's various titles. So UM, it's great for the

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Speaker 1: client to kind of get a sense of, um, is

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Speaker 1: this person using the correct title for the state in

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Speaker 1: which I reside. Oh, that's really good information, Gina. I

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Speaker 1: like that. So for anybody who wants to, you know,

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Speaker 1: find more information about hypnotherapy or kind of maybe do

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Speaker 1: some more reading or listening to information about hypnotherapy. Do

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Speaker 1: you have any favorite resources that you want to suggest

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Speaker 1: for people? Yeah, so a lot of the information is

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Speaker 1: mainly geared towards professionals. But UM, but there are some

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Speaker 1: information out there, such as the American Psychological Association have

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Speaker 1: a wonderful article on hypnosis. UH. There's a YouTube video

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Speaker 1: called brain Biology of Hypnosis and hypnotis hypnotize Ability by

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Speaker 1: Dr David Spiegel, who's this like psychiatric UM psychiatry professor

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Speaker 1: at Stanford University. And then I have a YouTube video

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Speaker 1: called what to expect for your First Hypnotherapy session. So

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Speaker 1: those three, you know, resources can help the person kind

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Speaker 1: of get a better sense of what is hypnosis and

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Speaker 1: what are what are some of the expectations perfect And

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Speaker 1: like I said, I will include all of those industrials

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Speaker 1: for people to be able to find that very easily.

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Speaker 1: So is there anything going on in your practice GNA

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Speaker 1: that you want to share with people and want to

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Speaker 1: make them aware of? Yes, so UM, I am actually

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Speaker 1: in the process of UH doing. Will offer individuals groups

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Speaker 1: and as well as an E course on slaying TECHT

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Speaker 1: Test Anxiety UM and it's the focus is mainly for

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Speaker 1: pre licensed mental health professionals and I use a holistic

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Speaker 1: approach to UM Overcoming Test anxiety UM. I also on

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Speaker 1: my website, I love to share UM twenty three questions

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Speaker 1: to ask your hypnotherapist before you set an appointment, So

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Speaker 1: that's also on my website for someone to kind of

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Speaker 1: UM have a resource so when they do call, they'll

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Speaker 1: kind of know what kinds of questions to ask. And

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Speaker 1: UM Also a couple of times a year, I offer

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Speaker 1: a therapy group on slaying the UH, your inner critic

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Speaker 1: and embracing your inner coach UM. So my slogan is,

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Speaker 1: you know, playing your inner critic and embrace your inner

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Speaker 1: coach for success. So it's a group of women and

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Speaker 1: we meet UM for about six weeks and we kind

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Speaker 1: of process that and go through a different UM healing

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Speaker 1: mode realities alternatives healing practices to kind of slay that

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Speaker 1: inner critics so that they can, you know, have a

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Speaker 1: healthier lifestyle and what else. I have UM self guided

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Speaker 1: CDs that I have on my website, and I also

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Speaker 1: create customized CDs so if someone has a very specific concern,

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Speaker 1: I will definitely UM be able to talk with them

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Speaker 1: kind of establish with that concern or problem or issue is.

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Speaker 1: And I can create a CD or MP three downloads

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Speaker 1: so that you can listen to it in your own

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Speaker 1: privacy of your own home and um uh deal with

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Speaker 1: what your issue is. It doesn't replace going to see

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Speaker 1: a therapist. But it's just a type of self guided

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Speaker 1: self ignosis that you can use, um, even in conjunction

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Speaker 1: with seeing a psychotherapist. And lastly, I have a mini

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Speaker 1: workshop on test anxiety um. And it's just for people

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Speaker 1: who are traveling with us on a cruise to Cute

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Speaker 1: in the Bahamas. UM. So if someone is going on

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Speaker 1: this cool with us in Ny then of course, um,

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Speaker 1: they would get a mini workshop with me on test anxiety.

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Speaker 1: So those are some of the things I'm working on

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Speaker 1: right now. I think a book is coming down the

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Speaker 1: pike and some workbooks. Um. But right now that's what

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Speaker 1: I got going on. That definitely is a lot. GENA.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you're very busy. So can you give

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Speaker 1: us the address for your website? What's your website? So?

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Speaker 1: My website is www dot Inner Coach hypno Therapy dot com.

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Speaker 1: In any social media handles you want to share, yes,

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Speaker 1: So I'm on Facebook at Inner Coach a t L

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Speaker 1: short for Atlanta. UM. And yeah, my website and the

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Speaker 1: Facebook those the two primary social media platforms and of

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Speaker 1: course I'm in the Therapy for Black Girls directory. You

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Speaker 1: can find me and unto Georgia to say to Georgia,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, perfect, Well, thank you so much, Gina. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you sharing all this information with us today.

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Speaker 1: Oh You're welcome, joy with a pleasure. Thank you. Gina

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Speaker 1: was such a delight to chat with. I definitely learned

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Speaker 1: more about hypno therapy than I knew before, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you did too. Make sure to check out all

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Speaker 1: the awesome resources she mentioned in the show notes, which

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Speaker 1: can be found at Therapy for Black Girls dot com

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Speaker 1: of you have tried hypno therapy before, or if you

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