WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Dez Drama Returns 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:03.640 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.440 a break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely ready 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:15.319 for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:21.279 time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:28.120 Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and Bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.120 we are live on the Break. I'm taking over once 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.479 again with Derek Eagleton here present to witness some greatness 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:41.319 happening today. Joint h have David Hellman, of course, one 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.160 of the best. Nick Hman, he's all right, and Derek 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.280 over there. Yes, we thought we were going to have 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:51.000 a Saturday off from shows, but we are here. Yesterday 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:56.600 was a very um explosive. That's a good word. Day. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.200 We necessarily didn't necessarily focus on pract this or what 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.120 was going on out here in the field, although the 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.600 real practice starts today where they throw on the paths 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.759 and we get to see some real football, or close 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:15.320 to as much as real is gonna get. But mister 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:20.399 Desk Bryant just went off yesterday and I'm gonna kinda 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.800 tell the story. We're gonna take a step by step 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.720 and correct me if I'm wrong, because like it's a 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.560 little bit, it's a hell of a story to try 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.600 to I mean, concisely, I will say this. I thought 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:36.199 Dave had the greatest tweet of Camp so far, and 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.000 it just kind of set the tone of exactly what 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.759 we were talking about earlier, about the passion. Who's gonna 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.880 bring the passion? Yeah? Oh it's dead? Oh yeah? Yeah? 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.640 And wit and really if you earlier in the day, yes, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.640 well threw that out there early. The irony a lot 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.000 like a lot of getting ahead of ourselves, like just 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.360 just keep it. Okay, We're gonna recap it a little 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.520 bit and we can comment on it as we go 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.760 through it. And again, if I tell the story wrong, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.080 correct me. I don't want to do the same as 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:12.160 this radio station. So point so let me know, let 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:17.200 me know. It all seemed from Stephen Jones doing a 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.560 quick interview on Series XM NFL Radio and he was 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.640 asked about, you know, the passing game and all that stuff, 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:30.600 and Stephen Jones basically said, here's the quote, He's got 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.440 to trust the system, speaking of dak which at times 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.799 last year there was pressure with death in his ears 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.840 and to some degree, Jason in his ear, those great 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.480 players want the ball. So basically, you know, you have 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.040 great players putting pressure on a young quarterback quarterback and 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:55.360 it affects the game. Now, this radio station basically took 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.359 that and the way they tweeted it out was leaving 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.280 Jason Witten's name out, pointing everything towards us Briant and 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.040 the part about great players also leaving that part out, 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.200 just saying Ellips ellips e lips wanting the ball, des 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.120 Bryant wanting the ball. So now Death sees that, and 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:16.080 we already know Death ted him and they made sure 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.760 he saw that. Thirsty the thirsty scoundrels mad it does, 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.160 is a vocal player, and he just kind of went off. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.280 It was that little thing that just needed to be left. 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.840 And I think maybe everything started obviously from miss worded 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.240 thing where saw it this way, But at the same time, 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:39.320 then that helped open up some issues that maybe we 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.000 thought about it but never really heard it from anyone 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.200 any player actually coming out and speaking about it. We've 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.840 heard Das talk about Garrett's guys, which colude one of 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.880 you please explain who those are and why that came 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:57.560 about the whole Garrett right, guys. Well, well, it's the 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.040 thing that stems back to April, like literally what Within 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.200 two weeks of Dez being released, he did an interview 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.960 I believe it was with Jane Slater of NFL Network, UM, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.240 just where he basically intimated that the Garrett guys on 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.240 the team played a role in his ouster. I mean, 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.239 you know, I think you can probably tie those together 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.240 just thinking about him. He mentioned that they had season 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.600 their chests, so that I mean exactly Jason, Shaun Lee, 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.440 Travis Frederick was a former captain at one point, even 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.480 Dak Prescott to a degree. But I mean, you know 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.800 the guys that you probably think about when you think 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.559 about Jason Garrett's off to repeated, right kind of guy's 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.920 mantra h. Dez was a little bit more diplomatic about 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.600 it in the spring, but yesterday he just decided to 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.919 put it all out there. He mentioned Travis and Sean 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.520 by name. He actually called Shaun Lee a snake, which 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.839 you know, I'm familiar with that if it's Taylor Swift 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.919 we're talking about, but I didn't know that that applied 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.000 to football players too. Um. I mean, it was like 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.320 it was just scorched earth and so, uh, I was 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.200 talking about this yesterday, like this has been kind of 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:08.080 a sniping campaign for a few months now, Like the 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.640 Cowboys have intimated some things about Dez, not openly, and 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.760 Dez has intimated some things about the Cowboys, and it 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.680 just boiled over into outright hostility yesterday starting with Dez 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.400 for sure. But that's kind of what he was getting at, 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.240 is that he is of the belief that players on 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.680 the team contributed to him being released, and between what 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.760 were you going to say? I mean, I was just 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:36.239 gonna I mean the tweet from Serious Radio that that 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.200 that's irrelevant to be at this point. I mean, they 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.000 they did that, they sparked, it doesn't matter. It's I mean, 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.640 it doesn't matter who through the first punch or whatever, 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.520 the fact of what happened afterwards. And he was saying, 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.920 you know, all of these things that that he believes 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.479 to be true. I mean that that's what the real 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.880 issue is. Yeah, I mean it was it was unfortunate 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.000 that it started that way, and it wasn't it shouldn't 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.640 have probably even happened. But the real truth came out 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.000 from from his standpoint, and I don't know, I just 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.320 I just feel like you know, and it wasn't just 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.360 just Sean Lee. And it was also the play calling 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.400 he talked about that, which I thought is the most 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:14.599 ironic part of it all because from everything that I've 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.760 ever heard since des Brian got here to the fact 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.400 that his eight years is that he was hard to 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.920 work with as a as a as a wide receiver 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.640 because he couldn't always line up where they wanted him 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.320 to be, so for him to say yeah, yeah and 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.560 they couldn't, and he was basically saying the offense was 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.200 very vanilla, and from everything I've ever heard for eight years, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.279 it was that way, and he was one of the 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.039 reasons why. So it was that was really ironic that 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.159 he was calling out people for not, you know, being 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.680 more imaginative, and he's kind of the reason why there. Yeah, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.920 I will say this though, Nick, I know I get 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.680 your point when you say it's kind of irrelevant how 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.360 they got there. The reason I think that still is 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.640 somewhat relevant is because to me, it's still kind of 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.800 illustrates some of the challenges that you run into when 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.720 you have a guy like Dez. Yes, Dez got baited 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.520 and he got baited by bad information, right, but the 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.480 fact of the matter is that that's a part of 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.320 his personality too. He's not the kind of person that's 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.960 going to be in a situation where something comes up 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.320 and before and he's going to take time to really 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.280 digest what's happening before he responds. He's a volatile guy 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.000 and he's going to jump right on it. And that's 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:24.840 what he did yesterday. He jumped right on. He felt 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.840 attacked and he attacked back. And I get it. I 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.960 understand because he's probably this probably isn't the first time 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.800 he's probably felt attacked by things that people in this 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.600 organization have said since the time that he left. But 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.720 the fact of the matter is it still does illustrate 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.400 character traits in him that could be problematic for a 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.440 team that's thinking about right. All I'm saying is is that, 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:50.320 like it's the biggest thing, is what I think what 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.560 he said about Sean Lee, you know, and it just 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.600 reminded me of when you're talking about the Auburn Hills 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.360 an Alice at the Palace, you know, like, what do 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.440 you remember that we'll run our test went into the 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.760 stand of fought someone, but right, but something twelve things 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.360 happened beforehand that no one really talks about at this point. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.520 That doesn't matter is what happened here. That's what That's 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.560 what I'm saying. You're you're absolutely I mean, and I 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.000 agree with both of you. I get your point. I 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.880 agree with Derek that me selfishly, it's relevant because it 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.440 makes our jobs harder. Yeah, like more fun this, I've 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.120 more fun, definitely, don't get me wrong. What's fun Yesterday 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.600 was sun Selfishly, I kind of live for days like yesterday, 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.760 but also like, as a journalist, it's annoying. This is 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.840 my personal opinion. I'll own it. You can't convince me 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.760 that that was done on accident. Like, if you go, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.760 it's a deleted tweet, shocker, if you go look at 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.320 the original tweet and the full context that Amber gave 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.720 us in the full quote that you can't tell me 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.840 that was an accident. The way they worded it, the 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.000 fact that they tagged Dez Bryant, they were looking for 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.880 something to pick up traction anyway, they doctored the quote 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.080 like they doctored the quote. I refused to believe it 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.960 was an accident based on looking at him side by side. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.400 So for me, people already hate me as it is 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.480 it's just one more reason for people to not want 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.600 me around not you know, like I've got my phone 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.960 all the time, and that's that's how you wind up 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.760 getting looked at as like the media, sensational media by 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.320 fans and by players. I hate that crap because I'm like, 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.080 I'm out here trying to do my job the right 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.920 way and other people's mess ups contribute to people not 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.800 liking me, which I mean that goes with the territory, 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:32.040 but so just unfortunate all the way around, because I mean, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.559 if they'd done it the right way, I highly doubt 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.200 as would have ever said anything, and we wouldn't be 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.199 having this conversation. But to nixt point, the toothpaste is 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.960 out of the tube at this point, and there's not 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.840 a whole lot you can do about it. Now. I 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.720 will say this about what does it mean? What does 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.839 it mean for here? I actually, now that I think 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.640 about it, I think that some of the questions we 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.640 were asking yesterday about the leadership and who's going to 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.079 step up, now things are happening where you're starting to 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.000 see it. You're starting to see some definition of that. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.040 I mean, it's we knew Sean Lee was going to 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.520 be the leader you know, of this team. But but 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.920 he he did it, he acted like it. He comes 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.000 off the practice field yesterday, I have kent who's gonna 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.360 play the Audio's gonna play it perfectly. I was just saying, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.640 if there was any question about who's gonna be our 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.240 the leaders around here, Sean Lee took the ball and 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.199 he ran with it. Oh yeah yeah. And did also 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.080 call Shan Lee a backstabber just because of the fact 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:34.520 that he sat right across from him and never actually 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.360 said anything about, you know, any issues regarding to you know, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.760 death having a problem. I don't know, but Stephen Jones 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.720 came out and I think he spoke very well. He 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:50.880 didn't say anything negative about death and kind of retiate it. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:55.679 How do you say the fact that, um, this is 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.800 a great player and good players won the ball? Basically 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.280 nothing negative. Then Travis Frederick responded back to that, saying 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.679 he considers and a friend and it's sad that well 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.720 when you see players or teammates turn on each other 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.760 and all that. Then Sean Lee came back with a 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:18.200 very intense quote and statement, who I thought was very 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.600 impressive and unexpected. I inspect him to say that way, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.040 but he looked right into the camera instead the following. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.760 You know, first thing, to say that I can get 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:33.320 anybody off the team and having input on the roster 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.120 is absurd. Second thing, I love Daz and I want 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.319 the best for him. Um, you know, to be honest, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.679 we did but hit because I wanted Das to be 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.840 more accountable to this team and this teammates, and to 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:46.280 be honest with you, a lot of the team felt 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.600 that way. Um, I think he needs to look at 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:53.600 himself and hold himself accountable. Thank you, thank you. There 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.680 you have it. And funny how the words thank you 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.640 can found like thank you. But it's just like what 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.800 that said about you know, he we've talked about the 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.000 anthem stuff and he said, you know, and I believe 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.160 what I believe, and that's you know, and that's that, 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.160 you know, just just a little way to end it 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:10.760 is kind of like it's just a little bit more 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.960 emphatic thank you. Yeah. Reminds me of Less Miles saying 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.200 have a great day way back in the day. He 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.440 didn't really mean have a great day anyway. Um. I 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.240 think anybody listening to this show probably follows the Cowboys 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.120 closely enough that they can put this together. But I 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.960 can't say enough about what it means that Sean Lee 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.840 said something like that. Um, I was telling y'all just 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.120 before we went on the air, like he's I didn't 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.000 think he was gonna talk. First of all, because he's 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.960 a he's a he's a he's like Dez, he's a 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.920 passionate guy. I figured he would be so hot, he 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.120 would just be like, get get the cameras out of 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:42.760 my face. I'm not talking right now. But he came 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.800 right of it was like, this is what I gotta say. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.760 So I run over there and I put my recorder 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.640 in the crowd, and like, in the back of my mind, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.280 I'm like, Okay, here comes a bland statement from Sean Lee. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.120 Because Sean Lee is smart enough to be deliberately bland, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.000 and that was not what we got at all. I mean, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.439 he short circuited my brain because and I don't mean 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.760 this as any disrespect to Shawn Lee. I think the 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.200 world of him, But he talks on Friday during the 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.760 regular season. He's he's the go to Friday player, and 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.560 fifty percent of the time I skip his press sessions 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.319 because I just know no good quotes are going to 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.640 come out of it. I'm just like, Sean is too 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.520 smart and too deliberate to give me something that I need, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.079 So I'm just gonna go somewhere else. And that was 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.959 the opposite. And like I said, I can't say enough 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.120 about what that means coming from him, Like Dez Bryant's 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.480 the type of guy who says something like that, and 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.160 see that's Sean Lee and and but it was it 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.760 was so cool because it needed to be said. And 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.920 like you said, I mean, if there's any doubt about 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.240 who's the later on this team, because because now I 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.520 mean and and Derek, I'm sure can attest to this. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.240 When when you're the boss of a group and you 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.160 kind of get attacked, you know, all your people are 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.720 kind of looking at you a little bit like how's 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.199 he going to react? You got one way to handle 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.720 this or another. And before Jason Witten could have handled 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.000 it certain way, or you know, maybe it's somebody else, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.880 but now it's Sean Lee. And so Sean's got to 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.880 set the tone to all these other eighty nine players 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.720 behind him and says, you know what, I'm this, this 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.640 is not gonna happen. You're not gonna be able to 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.360 allow to say that, you know, and he said it 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.600 in a great way. Hey, I love this and and 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.760 and it'll when it blows over then everybody will still 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.040 be cool about it. But but as for right now, yeah, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.840 we had problems. I thought it was great. I thought 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.800 it was it was great. Set the tone too for 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.440 me Again, you know, I think if you listen to 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.880 this show regularly, and if you follow the Cowboys really 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.120 closely the way that I think most of our listeners do, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.520 I feel like this was kind of there for you 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.600 to pick up on, you know, like if you really 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.160 just between that. Like I said, this isn't the first 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.320 time this has been addressed. It's been addressed a lot 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.160 more vaguely, but the clues are kind of there. I mean, like, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.160 like I've said, you know, people have hinted at like, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.360 well maybe it'll be better without voices in Dak's ear 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.400 and and Dez has made his comments about Garrett guys, 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.960 and so it was there to pick up on. And 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.560 so now I think it just kind of spells it 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.080 out a little bit more clearly that this was clearly 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.280 a thing. And I agree with Sean that no, no 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.920 players got the got the power to make personnel moves. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.000 I loved Travis. What did Travis says, like, you know, 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.880 you're being hard pressed if you're gonna have to search 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.920 long and hard to find a fifth year player who's 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.480 in charge of personnel decisions. But at the same time, 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.840 these are weighty voices in the Cowboys organization. And and 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.320 they again like, no, did they make that call? No, 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.720 but there was certainly input. You're crazy if you don't 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.440 think that there's input coming from your veteran players. You're 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.480 crazy if you don't think that there's input coming from 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.600 your starting quarterback about making a decision like that. And 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.840 that's not to say, you know, there was like this 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.880 conspiracy to kick Daz off the team, but you know, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:43.400 I brought this up yesterday talking with Rob Phillips. You know, um, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.880 at dinner we're talking about a guy who like in 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:50.040 his eighth year, missed an MRI because he was worried 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.800 about like what the like, he literally disappeared from the 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.520 facility for two days because he was worried about what 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.760 is MR. I might say, like, it's just you know, basically, 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.000 what I'm trying to say is it's charming and Dez 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.000 being Dez when you're catching sixteen touchdowns and winning for 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.320 thirteen games. It's a lot more of a pain to 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.640 deal with in the vigors and the ups and downs 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.000 of a mediocre season. And I think, you know, I 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.840 think it probably wor thin across the organization a lot 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.520 of because you have a wide receiver position that that was, 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.640 in my opinion, out of control. I mean, when when 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.880 Dez is the leader, and he's the leader because he 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.080 was the best player in that group for so many years, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.160 but when the leaders doing certain things, I mean, why 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.160 would Terrence Williams do anything other than whether he's seeing 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.840 right here? You know, I'm not going to call des 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.120 t o, but but we've said it before. When when 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.000 when the greatest, you know player in a certain position 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:51.080 is maybe undermining the overall message of what the team is, 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.400 then it's hard for these what happens to Cole Beasley? 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.680 What happens to Terrence Williams? We're in the you know 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.560 position groups here Do I follow here? Or do I 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.400 follow over here? And it's, like we've always said, it 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.359 halts leadership a little bit. And like with Sean Lee, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.359 I mean I think I know his character. He we 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.320 all know how responsible he is, how dedicated to the game. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.520 He is how passionate and just so into the game, 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.320 Like I seriously could not see Shanlee doing anything else 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.880 but football. He's so concentrated about it and discipline. Now 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.560 you get a guy like Dos who obviously passionate about 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.360 it as well, but not necessarily caring as much as 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.800 far as the responsibility of like showing on time, you know, 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.959 being there at certain times and doing certain things. And 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.840 when you get to people like that at the same time, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.040 obviously you're gonna have a problem and it's not gonna 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.720 work out as far as leadership. And we know when 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.040 and how he was as well, just kind of staying 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.040 out of trouble and all that. So my point is 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:59.399 hearing shans lee answer was just so transparent and true 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.879 to his care character, and it just gives you a 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.840 real perspective of how it was backstage of the things 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.119 we were imagining. But the one thing I think you 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.320 have to note about that is there still is some 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.560 inaccuracy here on what really happened from that standpoint, because 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.040 Dez basically made it appear as though, Hey, if he 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.000 had a problem with me, he never came to me 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.040 to talk to me about it. But at the same time, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.040 Sean says, yeah, we butt heads a lot because I 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.240 wanted more of Dez. I wanted him to be more 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.560 accountable to his teammates, and he wasn't. So there's obviously 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.160 they don't even see the same. They don't see their 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.680 relationship and what happened I guess over the years the same, 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.600 what happened last year as the same, because one thinks 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.439 that they didn't have a lot of conversations, the other 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.280 them feels like they had a lot of conversations, and 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.879 but it heads quite a bit because they weren't seeing 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.199 things eyed eye, which I can totally. I can just 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.080 see that disconnect clearly in my brain of like, you know, yeah, 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.600 I have a hard time believing Sean Lee was afraid 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.879 to tell anybody exactly how he felt, you know what 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:01.320 I mean. But with Dez, maybe budding heads for five 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.960 minutes doesn't register as like, you know what I mean, 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.320 like him, It is just kind of like, yeah, I 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.639 saw Sean. Yeah, we had a little bit like I 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.440 was late, okay, cool, we talked about whatever. Yeah, I 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.760 just I don't know, I can see that clearly in 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.280 my head. And like I said, personalities, I think it 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.080 would be a mistake to think of like this. You know, 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.080 the captains of the Dallas Cowboys did not walk into 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.439 Jerry and Steven's office and say, we gotta get rid 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.240 of Dez. I don't buy that. I think it's I mean, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.120 it's it's collective conversations over the course of years, over 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.440 the course of months of like you know, taught you know, like, well, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.920 what do you guys think, Like how does this affect 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.520 the locker room dynamic? Like that, and you give your 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.679 honest feedback and you make your decision from there. I 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.200 one percent don't think that the decision makers of the 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.160 organization decided to cut Dez strictly based on what their 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:49.919 players told them. That would be a terrible way to 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.600 run a team. But it's, you know, to quote Jerry 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.040 and Garrett, actually is it's all part of a puzzle. 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.119 You know. Player input goes into the salary cap it 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.280 goes into lining production, all that type of stuff, and 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.160 you make your best decision from there. They parted ways 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.280 with him, and that's pretty much where we stand now. 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.960 And now you know, you have to make the determination 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:13.960 does he really want to play football? I mean, does 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.360 I mean he's you can say that you do, but 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.320 but you know you're on the radar for for another job. 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.879 They're they're trying to figure out if they want, you know, 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:24.680 Cleveland wants to figure out if they want to bring 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.399 him in or not. And you go and do all that. Yeah, 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.760 I'll stop you there. Let's take a quick break, and 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.560 when we come back, we're gonna get into what happens 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.879