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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Task, the finale of Task,

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Speaker 1: and some notable queer horror classics. You are warned. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Gecepcio and I'm Rasey Night, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x Revision of the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, conducts of pop

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Speaker 1: culture comedy from My Heart Podcast, where we're bringing you

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Speaker 1: three episodes.

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Speaker 2: Week Last News, Last News. In today's episode, we are

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Speaker 2: back and it is x r G see which we love.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to have a little x a GC. So

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Speaker 2: in today's episode, on the heels of our delightful Scream,

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Speaker 2: King's Matthew Lillard and ski al Rick declaring their characters

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Speaker 2: Billy and stew from Scream the first husband of horror,

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Speaker 2: and they said that on stage in Los Angeles, I

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Speaker 2: believe at the recent La Comic Con and in anticipation

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Speaker 2: of Tina Romero, yes, the daughter of George Romero's queer

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Speaker 2: zombie homage to her father, we'll be talking to her

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Speaker 2: later in the episode and interview of The Vampire season

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Speaker 2: two making its Netflix debut, and boy have you guys

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Speaker 2: been watching it? And I love to see it. We

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Speaker 2: are basically just gonna just dive into the connection between

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Speaker 2: horror and the queer community, and that's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: big chunk of our XRGC. We're going to bring in Tina,

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Speaker 2: but first we're going to talk about that crazy Task

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Speaker 2: finale and where the show now sits in our best

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Let's welcome super producer Ian to

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Speaker 1: the program.

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Speaker 3: Ian, good morning, Thank you for having me. What a

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Speaker 3: great season of TV right.

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Speaker 1: Unbelieved, an incredible, an incredible season of TV. So The

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Speaker 1: Task has wrapped up with an emotional season finale that

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Speaker 1: was also action packed. I think this show did the

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Speaker 1: prestige drama thing, but that in which like the big

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Speaker 1: the kind of picking up the pieces episode in the finale.

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Speaker 1: Although I think they did it, you know, as good

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Speaker 1: plenty of suspense to be delivered in this final season,

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Speaker 1: and then all of the kind of dangling emotional threads

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Speaker 1: that had hung over the season, themes of very catholic

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Speaker 1: themes of guilt, specifically Grosso's feelings about you know, just

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Speaker 1: like what he's been involved the criminal conspiracy that he's

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Speaker 1: the death of task members stoleer Tom's guilt and feelings

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Speaker 3: I think in that moment he truly did not mean

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah. And and this episode did such an

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Speaker 1: Let's start with you your thoughts on the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, overall, I think to a lot of the points

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. I think that something that I found

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Speaker 2: And obviously I am not from America, I'm from England,

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Speaker 2: I think that we don't often talk about just how

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Speaker 2: And I think this show had so much empathy and

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Speaker 3: By the middle, he knew there was a point in.

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Speaker 1: The middle, you know. Yeah, he was very aware sometime

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then die in a way that

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Speaker 2: start by saying, I think Fabian Franco is so amazing

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Speaker 2: No, I like that, im because honestly, I'd actually read

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Speaker 2: the power of power of public.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the issue is, uh, well, we'll wrap

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Speaker 1: it up here. But I remember, you know, when I

439
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Speaker 1: was watching you know, see, the CW had this kind

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Speaker 1: of reputation as the network for the hot actors that

441
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Speaker 1: you've never heard of, like everybody is way too good looking,

442
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Speaker 1: and they all seemed to come from Canada. And I

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Speaker 1: think the reason for that is similar to the reason

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Speaker 1: that the cast that Task was cast in the way

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Speaker 1: it was was like, we know, being here, you're just

446
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Speaker 1: kind of like immersed in American celebrity media culture, and

447
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Speaker 1: so you're kind of like, even if you don't know everybody,

448
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Speaker 1: you're kind of like, oh, I've heard of this person,

449
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Speaker 1: I've seen this person. So it's like when the CW

450
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Speaker 1: was like, we need to find hot people that nobody's

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Speaker 1: ever heard of, Let's get them from Canada. And I

452
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Speaker 1: think similarly, Task was like, we need to find great

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Speaker 1: actors that have know that an American audience doesn't have

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Speaker 1: any preconceived notion about this character about who they are

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Speaker 1: from other stuff they've done. Let's get them from England

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Speaker 1: in the UK. And I think that's I just.

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Speaker 3: Think that's true. And I think they all HBO. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say. Also, HBO does tend tend to

459
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Speaker 3: pull from like their their internal pool too, because Grosso

460
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Speaker 3: is obviously in Yes, they do House of the Dragons,

461
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Speaker 3: So I think there's yeah, probably that's probably why he

462
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Speaker 3: got one of the first calls too, But yeah, I

463
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Speaker 3: think that's interesting. But yeah, we just need to find

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Speaker 3: some more young American talent, give them some opportunities. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, well we're we await a possible season two

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Speaker 1: of Task. Let's take a quick break and we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back.

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Speaker 5: There's a queercit woo.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to X Revision and we are here

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Speaker 2: introducing the Scream Queens once again. Carmen Laurent and Joel Monique,

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Speaker 2: super producers. How are you guys doing.

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Speaker 6: It's always a good day to talk about queer horror.

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Speaker 6: I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to start this by kind of saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, we mentioned the things that we were kind

476
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Speaker 2: of inspired by here, and I love that we mentioned

477
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Speaker 2: Scream and Stu and Billy because I think what this

478
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Speaker 2: conversation is gonna definitely cover is the fact that a

479
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Speaker 2: lot of movies that are seen as queer horror are

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Speaker 2: not necessarily textually queer. They are stories that we have

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Speaker 2: found reclamation in that we have found representation in. There

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Speaker 2: are movies I know, Carmen, You're definitely going to be

483
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Speaker 2: talking about movies that were definitely made to instill like

484
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Speaker 2: panic and horror about trans people, but that trans people

485
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Speaker 2: like have found love. And you know, one of the

486
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Speaker 2: movies we're not going to talk about, but I would

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Speaker 2: love to have Bja and Harmony come on my Friends

488
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Speaker 2: sleep Away Camp. They've written an extensive book about just

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Speaker 2: how powerful they have found that and the reclamation of

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Speaker 2: those movies in queer horror, and I think we're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about that. So starting off common, what do you

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Speaker 2: think is about horror that so many queer people find

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Speaker 2: themselves in?

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Speaker 7: You know, it's an interesting question. And Joelle and I

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Speaker 7: we talked about this a little bit last year when

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Speaker 7: we did our kind of or not last year? Was

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Speaker 7: it earlier this year when we did our Robert Oh

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Speaker 7: it was last year?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god?

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Speaker 3: Last year?

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Speaker 6: And what is time?

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Speaker 3: What is time?

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Speaker 7: Yes, we were doing our Robert Eggers look back and

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Speaker 7: talking about why queer people and women seem to be

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Speaker 7: most attracted to horror. And I think that it's because

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Speaker 7: we tend to find, and especially in our group of

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Speaker 7: our of our X ray vision producers, that men don't

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Speaker 7: really like horror, especially straight men don't really like her.

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Speaker 2: Actually very fair. I love that you brought that up

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Speaker 2: because we have two examples of that all.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, I am in a relationship with

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Speaker 7: a straight man who doesn't like horror. It's a very common,

513
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Speaker 7: you know, kind of thread. I think it has to

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Speaker 7: do with the fact that this is all just my

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Speaker 7: own hypothesis. But men aren't supposed to be scared. Men

516
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Speaker 7: aren't supposed to feel horror. They're supposed to be, you know,

517
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Speaker 7: the protectors, the caregivers all of this, or the provider.

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Speaker 7: And so I think gay people, queer people, or women,

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Speaker 7: we are able to look at horror as like this

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Speaker 7: morbid curiosity of like not only things that we're not

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Speaker 7: afraid to face, but things that we are facing quite commonly.

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Speaker 7: So women and minority groups tend to be the targets

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Speaker 7: of these horrible things, and so there's like a morbid

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Speaker 7: curiosity I think there with just kind of looking into

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Speaker 7: the possibility of what could be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, also boundaries working out what

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Speaker 2: you're scared of, what you're not scared of in a

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Speaker 2: safe environment, and oftentimes as well, you know, horror is

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Speaker 2: an outsider genre that is about outsiders, whether that's the

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Speaker 2: people who are being chased down who are like teenage

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Speaker 2: girls who you know, are not particularly valued members of society,

532
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Speaker 2: or you know, the killer, Evel, it's the killer, you know, Wendy.

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Speaker 2: I was watching her killer videos. I still think about

534
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Speaker 2: the killer, but like they're outside of movies, and you know,

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Speaker 2: being queer is outside of culture, like and I think

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Speaker 2: that that nature of like kind of the queering of

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Speaker 2: what you expect from a movie. Silence of the Lamps, calm,

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Speaker 2: and I know that's going to be one of your picks,

539
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Speaker 2: is a big, a big one for that. In fact,

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Speaker 2: why don't you just let's just start there, calm and

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Speaker 2: talk about Silence of the line.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, So this is probably my favorite horror movie

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Speaker 7: of all time. I've seen it so many times I

544
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Speaker 7: can quote just about every line from the movie. But

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Speaker 7: you know, I saw it for the first time when

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Speaker 7: I was seven years old, which is a crazy.

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Speaker 6: You watch Silence of the Lambs, it said.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have American, I have a stable.

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Speaker 7: I have a sister that's seven years older than me,

550
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Speaker 7: and I was very obsessed with you know, my sister

551
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Speaker 7: wanted to watch horror. I wanted to be behind the

552
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Speaker 7: sofa watching the horror you know, even though I wasn't

553
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Speaker 7: supposed to be now, they fully let me in the

554
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Speaker 7: room to watch Silence of the Lambs because I just

555
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Speaker 7: think it's one of those things that is, because it's

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Speaker 7: kind of true crime, it's not really considered.

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Speaker 2: It was seen more as a crime movie than a

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Speaker 2: horror Yes, yes, but it has definitely horror elements to it,

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Speaker 2: and of course it's very disturbing for a child to watch.

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Speaker 7: Especially I was seven years old about to come out

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Speaker 7: as trans just a couple of years later. This was

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Speaker 7: like the first time I'd ever seen any sort of

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Speaker 7: media representation of it trans person aside from like you know,

564
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Speaker 7: the the Gypsy and Scooby Doo being yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: a man.

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Speaker 6: And so.

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Speaker 7: It's a complicated movie because when I did come out

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Speaker 7: as trans eventually, you know, Buffalo Bill is one of

569
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Speaker 7: those characters that like, oh, you're like, oh, I don't

570
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Speaker 7: want people to associate that with me.

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Speaker 2: Of course, evil trans kill a very big recurring woman

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Speaker 2: in a dress kind of.

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Speaker 7: Chorpe, yes, absolutely wearing their skin exactly, And so it

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Speaker 7: took me a while to really embrace the movie and

575
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Speaker 7: really embrace the character. And what really broke it down

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Speaker 7: for me is listening to what Hannibal Lecter has to

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Speaker 7: say about Buffalo Bill and also looking around at Buffalo

578
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Speaker 7: Bill's house. So I recommend if you haven't watched the documentary,

579
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Speaker 7: it's on Netflix. It's called Disclosure. They talk about all

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Speaker 7: of this transrepresentation in media. It's a great film to

581
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Speaker 7: watch to kind of understand this more. But just to

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Speaker 7: talk about the horror elements alone. This was for the nineties,

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Speaker 7: the Goodbye Horses song with a man wearing a wig

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Speaker 7: with his genitals tucked between his leg that became like

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Speaker 7: a whole meme representation of a trans woman for a

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Speaker 7: whole generation of people. But if you actually listen to

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Speaker 7: what Anthony Hopkins' character says and what Hannibal Lecter says.

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Speaker 7: He is the psychological expert in the movie, and he says,

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Speaker 7: this isn't actually a trans person. He says, quote, Billy

590
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Speaker 7: hates his own Billy hates his own identity. You see,

591
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Speaker 7: he thinks that makes him try transsexual. But his pathology

592
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 7: is a thousand times more savage and more terrifying. Now,

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Speaker 7: people watching the movie still just kind of took that

594
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Speaker 7: and ran with it. Oh, that's a trans woman. But

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Speaker 7: if you actually look at like in his house, he

596
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Speaker 7: also has a bunch of like neo Nazi merch up

597
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 7: on the walls and stuff like that. Now, looking back

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Speaker 7: at that film, I realized, through like the scope of

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Speaker 7: today also that this is like kind of just like

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Speaker 7: an in cell. You know, Buffalo Bill is not a

601
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Speaker 7: great representation of an insult or of a trans person,

602
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Speaker 7: but more of just an in cell who can't fit

603
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Speaker 7: in anywhere and is you know, choosing to find that

604
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Speaker 7: place to fit in within the trans community, whether or

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Speaker 7: not that be misplaced. And so I find that very

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Speaker 7: interesting as a trans woman now to just be able

607
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Speaker 7: to say, yeah, that's actually my favorite movie. And I

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Speaker 7: think Hannibal Lecter is one of the gayest characters of

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Speaker 7: all time.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's so gay. He's always reading.

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Speaker 7: Always reading people with your cheap shoes and a nice bag,

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Speaker 7: and Sanata.

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Speaker 2: Love this suits.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So just those two things alone, you know. I

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Speaker 7: And of course you know, Clarie Starling herself is the

616
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Speaker 7: inspiration for Dana Scully, who goes on to be like

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Speaker 7: many a bisexual and lesbian icon for women in the future.

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Speaker 7: So absolutely I think this movie sounds to the land

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Speaker 7: encompasses a lot of different like queer kind of things throughout.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, not surprising anyone. I also just

621
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Speaker 2: have to say, like in the Hannibal TV show at

622
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Speaker 2: NBC that yes, the Will Graham iteration is based on

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Speaker 2: Clarence Startling, and they bought in some of the claris

624
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Speaker 2: stuff because they didn't have the rights to use Clorice.

625
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Speaker 2: So it even went on to make the most textually

626
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: gay version of this even gayer, like that Hannibal doesn't

627
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Speaker 2: exist if this version of it has not come out. Joelle,

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Speaker 2: what is your first pick?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: My goodness. Okay, So I was trying to think really

631
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Speaker 6: hard about like queer characters and revelations and what was working,

632
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Speaker 6: and I went with the bisexual panic classic film Jennifer's Body,

633
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Speaker 6: a film that when it came out similar to Harley

634
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Speaker 6: Quinn and The Birds of Prey, where I was like,

635
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Speaker 6: why are you fucking up the marketing? Okay, this is

636
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 6: huge audience for this film and they will allower it.

637
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Speaker 1: What have you done?

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Speaker 6: And uh? And instead of being like, Hey, queer ladies,

639
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Speaker 6: here's some nice representation for you, they were like, guys,

640
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 6: you think Megan Fox is hot? Right, get in here.

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Speaker 6: Incredibly frustrating. But up until seeing this film, I hadn't

642
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 6: really seen like quality by panic film. And by this,

643
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Speaker 6: I mean like you get it. You get a taste

644
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Speaker 6: of it in the Craft, you know, Job Breaker, It's

645
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 6: always there, but it's very much for the boys. It

646
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Speaker 6: feels like it's, yeah, this is the the girl I

647
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Speaker 6: kind of fake flirt with until I lose my virginity

648
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Speaker 6: and then ultimately die in the movie, Like that's kind

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Speaker 6: of where the Bye Pandy representation in horror film was

650
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Speaker 6: until Jennifer's Body, But here you get like such like

651
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Speaker 6: incredible great moments. I wanted to talk about specifically the

652
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Speaker 6: moment where Needy, that's Amanda's character, loses her virginity. While

653
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Speaker 6: she's losing her virginity, she is like psychic, psychically linked

654
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 6: to Jennifer. They're literally talking to like she's saying the

655
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 6: words Jennifer saying. Is Jennifer's experiencing like her first like

656
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 6: blood rush where she's like out killing and this connection

657
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 6: and very reality of oh, I like my boyfriend, he's fine,

658
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 6: but this is not who I want to be having

659
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 6: sex with, which she literally runs to Jennifer's house after

660
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 6: this and they kiss and you're like, Wow, it's really happening.

661
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 6: I think particularly for girls who had like their first

662
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 6: crush was also their best friend. This movie because like

663
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 6: a very high like wow, I'm seeing the sort of space.

664
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 6: And I also like that we don't have to deal

665
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 6: with a kill your gaze trope at the end, like

666
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 6: we do kill Jennifer because she's eating too many people

667
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 6: it's going to become a problem. But there's an acknowledgment

668
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 6: in taking out Jennifer of like these men have done

669
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 6: awful things to you and made you have to be

670
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 6: awful in order to survive in this world. So there's

671
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 6: so loving and caring, like your life has to end,

672
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 6: but then there's a raging I will kill all of

673
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 6: the men who harmed you kind of vibe immediately after,

674
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 6: and it's a great way to sort of keep like

675
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 6: the trope of the villain going. You need kind of

676
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 6: satisfying ending with somebody who's done this much murder, But

677
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 6: it doesn't reject the relationship of them, which I love.

678
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: She is a demon and according to Jennifer, and I

679
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: mean according to Megan Fox and a man of seafreed

680
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: and hopefully from what we're hearing about a sequel. You know,

681
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: they might not have even needed to bury that gay.

682
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: She's just she's she's a demon. She came back, you know.

683
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 6: She came back as a Ginger Snaps in a moment

684
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 6: another place where women had to kill their lady loves,

685
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 6: but they came back.

686
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: They multiple exactly I'm saying. Well, I was actually gonna say, Jason,

687
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: I would love not only to hear you talk about

688
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: Ginger Snaps, which is one of your picks, but also

689
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: what do you do you like as a pop culture

690
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: and expert and commentation are like, what's it been like

691
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: to see the way Jennifer? Because when we were young,

692
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: Jennifer's buddy was like hate ed. It was like badly responded.

693
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: What's it been like to kind of see that change?

694
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: And why do you think it is?

695
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: Well, it's been It's been very interesting to see it change.

696
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's because horror is a genre and

697
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: maybe the only genre that the fans of the genre

698
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: will give something a try, regardless of whether they've heard

699
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: of it, if they know any of the people in it,

700
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: if it's in the section, at a certain point, you

701
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: will get to it as a fan.

702
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 7: That's so true.

703
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: Because that's your appetite for it. And in that way,

704
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: audiences will find the things that resonate with them and

705
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: find these subtextual elements. And I think that's so important

706
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: and such a natural process, specifically around horror. And also

707
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: now I'm going to go on a slight ramp. One

708
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: of the things I don't like about like mainstream corporate

709
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: diversity narratives around media, like and you'll see it often

710
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: with the way a certain thing is promoted that like oh,

711
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: because it's you know, Latino Heritage Month, Yeah, this, that

712
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: and the other right. Yeah, On the one hand, like good,

713
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: it's good to see the diversity embrace. On the other hand,

714
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: to me, that kind of approach is always rang as

715
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: like hollow marketing for the whites that run things to

716
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: be able to say, look how much we care, we

717
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: do stuff that's great when in reality, me as a

718
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: person of color, if I saw an Asian person had

719
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: made something, or was behind the camera of something, or

720
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: was in something, nobody needed to tell me that that

721
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: was cool and spoke to me like I saw it

722
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: and it spoke to me. And audiences in horror similarly,

723
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: or any genre will say, oh my god, that speaks

724
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: to me. Nobody can tell me that this is queer

725
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: coded or anything else. It just speaks to you, and

726
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: it speaks directly to you without this like framing of.

727
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 8: Look at the good thing that I did some bisexuals,

728
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 8: look at how cool we are, right, And it's much

729
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 8: more organic and and.

730
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: Valuable, like a person to persons in your relationship to art,

731
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: It's much more valuable that way. And so and I

732
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: think horror is because it's one has such a rabbit

733
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 1: fan base, and two is often low budget and cheap

734
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: without that marketing thing behind it, it is naturally a

735
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: place where the audience finds the thing that it is

736
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: looking for and finds these hidden, subtextual, deeply buried messages

737
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: that have sometimes been purposefully hidden in the text or

738
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: other times are just there to be found and taken

739
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: out of it. And so I think that that's why horror, yes,

740
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: the kind of fans that it has, and why it's

741
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: for me, just such an important genre.

742
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: You also summed up perfectly there. I think, like, you're right,

743
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened in the case of Jennifer's body specifically,

744
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: that's why we're talking about it like twenty years later, yeah,

745
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: you know, like because it didn't get that Undiscorporate didn't

746
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: see it in a way that they could market it

747
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: in that way, so instead market it as sexy lady

748
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: and blood.

749
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, the rest that part.

750
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: But Jason, I would love to talk a little bit

751
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: more about Ginger Snaps, which was your first queer helper

752
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: horror pick, because it's such a great pick and definitely

753
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: in this queering kind of of the cinema canon space.

754
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: It's one of those that you know, Canadians ultra low

755
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: budget horror movie about where we'll and a beautiful friendship

756
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: between two main female leads, and it spawned a suite

757
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: of movies all within this general kind of like very

758
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: bloody kind of queer coded universe. But it was one

759
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: that I had heard. It's in that same way of

760
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: like if you're a horror fan, you'll eventually watch it.

761
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: I had not heard of it until like, I don't know,

762
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight or long time after it had

763
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: come back, because it was like I read was like yeah,

764
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: when I was like when I read about in a

765
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: blog and was like, oh wait, there's hold on, there's

766
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: like actually three of these movies and and watched it,

767
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: and just like it's if you're a fan of horror

768
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: and for the kind of social commentary that can only

769
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: and the depiction of like relationships that have this specific

770
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: visceral texture when displayed in horror, because it's such a

771
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: horror is about the fantasy of power and about how

772
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: becoming a victim can lead to power in horrific ways.

773
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: And how do you use it?

774
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: It happened, what happens when the when the oppressor the

775
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: week immediately becomes powerful? What is it? What does it

776
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: do to your moral compass? What does it do to

777
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: the people that then become killed by this former victim?

778
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: And Ginger Slabs has all of that. It's and you

779
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: see every dollar, every Canadian dollar that went into making

780
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: this film you see on the screen. It's a wonderful film.

781
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: It's so good and I love that you picked it

782
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: because I do think it fits into the whole thing

783
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: of like, this is a very quea movie in the

784
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: nature of it being like an outside a movie because

785
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: it's also about like a movie about periods. Nobody means

786
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: that that in it.

787
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 9: Nobody immediately makes it an unappealing, unmarketable And the movie

788
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 9: did not make a lot of money at the time,

789
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 9: but was critically loved and is one another you know,

790
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 9: fantastic cult horror movie and has.

791
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: Catherine Isabelle, who would go on to star in a

792
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: ton of other fantastic queer things, including Hannibal. It all

793
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: comes back there for me. No, I love this movie.

794
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: I love that this was your pick. I think it's

795
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: a perfect example of how a story that ostensibly someone

796
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: could watch and say this isn't gay, but if you're

797
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 2: like queer or you get it, you're like, oh my god,

798
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: like this shit is it's so much about being the outsider,

799
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: so much about being the other, so much about the

800
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: violence of being alive, which like who makes that?

801
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: It's got that thing when I'm looking for the book.

802
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: Now, it's that I was like, what's done a doing?

803
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: Now it's give me that that. It's got that thing

804
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: that I love about horror, which is to your point, like, oh,

805
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: this isn't gay, this is this is just like a

806
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Wherewill movie with some very heavy period references. This isn't.

807
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: But the more you think about these very simple stories,

808
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: the more complex they appear. And it's the I mean,

809
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: the text that open my eyes to the horror genre.

810
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: Specifically is Carol J. Clover's iconic Men Woman in Chainsaws,

811
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 1: which argues that, I mean, for anybody that loves horror

812
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: and loves thinking about films, you should read this and

813
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: in it, essentially Carol argues that these seemingly very exploitative films,

814
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: particularly slasher genre stuff, and you know, things like the

815
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: Texas Chainsaw massacre, are actually like deeply moral feminist texts

816
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: about survival. Yeah, and it continues to blow my mind,

817
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: and I think without like, it's not like everybody who

818
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: makes a horror film is this like deep theorist. But

819
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: even so, there is something about the genre that asks

820
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: and answers these like deep questions about identity in a

821
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: way that like feel exploitative. But then the more you

822
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: think about them and unwind them, the deeper they get.

823
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: And again, Ginger Snaps is for me a prime example

824
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: of a movie like that.

825
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: I love that I'm going to quickly throw in. I

826
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: did a presentation about this movie last night with my

827
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: friends Nightmare on Elm Street to Freddy's Revenge. It's incredibly

828
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: textually gay. It was denied by the creators that it was,

829
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: but Mark Patten, the lead who plays Jesse was also closeted.

830
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: I encourage you to watch it, and only because it's

831
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: an incredibly fun, silly, great slash a movie. It's also

832
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: surprisingly dark, surprisingly deep, reads very much as an adult

833
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: more about the horror of having to come out and

834
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: the fear of it. And Mark has actually reclaimed the movie,

835
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: reclaimed his space in the queer horror canon and made

836
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: a documentary that I cannot recommend enough called Scream Queen

837
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: about his own experience. So we are running out of time,

838
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: but each of you, I just want you to tell

839
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: me two more queer horror movies people should watch. Comment

840
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: start with you.

841
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 7: The Hunger in nineteen eighty three, Tony Scott's directorial.

842
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: Debut, Stunning It Is.

843
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 7: I gave this one the tagline of an ethical, non

844
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 7: monogamous couple looking for a third and it essentially is that.

845
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 7: But it's technically about Catherine Denov and David Bowie's character.

846
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 7: Catherine Denov is this old ancient vampire from ancient Egypt.

847
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 7: She's a white woman. I don't know how that makes sense,

848
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 7: but whatever, eighty the white woman from ancient Egypt, and

849
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 7: she's this vampire that's been living for centuries and eventually

850
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 7: she has to go through all of these centuries finding

851
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 7: new lovers because eventually her lovers that she turns into vampires.

852
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 7: They lose their immortality, they lose their ability to sleep,

853
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 7: and then they start to age and then eventually die,

854
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 7: which is not supposed to happen when you're a vampire.

855
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 7: So they meet the sleep study doctor Susan Sarandon, and

856
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 7: then Susan Sarandon joins their throatpole.

857
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: Love that.

858
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a very fun queer hormone. It's like one

859
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 7: of my favorite vampire movies because it takes the vampire

860
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 7: lore and completely changes it. You know, they don't have fangs,

861
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 7: they don't have teeth. They have a little onk around

862
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 7: their neck that has a knife in it that they

863
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 7: slice open the neck and drink from. And the whole

864
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 7: opening to the movie is a music video for Bella

865
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 7: Lagozi's Dead.

866
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: Really great just love goth Yeah, love it, fantastic Joel,

867
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: how about you?

868
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 6: Okay? So modern queer or candy man?

869
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, eat his gig.

870
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 6: They survive at the end. I will say I found

871
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 6: some criticism from a non binary writer who was upset

872
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 6: that there's an I'm on your a teen who's introduced

873
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 6: and it almost immediately killed off. Totally understand that being

874
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 6: a frustrating point. I think for the way this film

875
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 6: both talks about blackness exploitation and then also queer representation,

876
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 6: I have a lot of high praise for Nita Costa's

877
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 6: candy Man. I also throw in because we can't leave

878
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 6: a horror queer thing without talking about interviewing the Vampire.

879
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 6: I just think it's such a fun study of going

880
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 6: from coded to explicit if you take the novels to

881
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 6: the movie to the TV, which is a lot of

882
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 6: reading and watching if you're not sure if this is

883
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 6: your thing, but if you like I think Victorian literature,

884
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 6: Gothic horror, you know there's so much in it that

885
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 6: deals with being queer, especially if you consider, you know,

886
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 6: interview Vampires written in the late seventies, it's still not

887
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 6: safe to be out. We As the story continues to

888
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 6: evolve to more features than we're dealing with the AIDS crisis,

889
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 6: there's so many Listen, I'm just gonna read you one

890
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 6: quote and then we'll get out of here. It was

891
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 6: as if the empty nights were made for thinking of him,

892
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 6: And sometimes I found myself so vividly aware of him.

893
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 6: It was as if he had only just left the

894
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 6: room and the ring of his voice were still there.

895
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 6: And somehow there was a disturbing comfort in that. And

896
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 6: despite myself, I didn't vision his face. Listen, if you

897
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 6: had to be closeted and you have the longing, and

898
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 6: also you can't touch in public, and also death is

899
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 6: right behind you. Horror like it's the keys, it's the

900
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 6: crux of all of it. And I think, you know,

901
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 6: for queer folks, particularly for older generations, I think there's

902
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 6: just so much love for horror because we know how

903
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 6: to read between the lines of things. We unders we

904
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 6: had to walk and talk and dress in code in

905
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 6: order to communicate and find our communities, and so to

906
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 6: do that in a theater it is fabulous and it's

907
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 6: lovely and so yeah, definitely. If you haven't read the books,

908
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 6: I highly recommend then they are wild and insane and

909
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 6: a little bit unhinged, but so delightful. Yeah. Check. I

910
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 6: interviewed with the vampire. What about you, Jason? What are

911
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 6: your team? Are two less?

912
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: These are not?

913
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: This is more of my interpretation, although I think I'm

914
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: alone in this interpretation of these films. They are the

915
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: twin std Pana films by David Cronenberg, Shivers and Rabbid.

916
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 4: Oh great cool.

917
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of the ultimate queer directors of

918
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: queering a cinematic tradition.

919
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: And again, there's nothing in there that is definitively like queer,

920
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: but it's about It's about the shame and horror of

921
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: dealing with a sexually transmitted disease that's killing, and that's

922
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: killing and affecting the community, and it's something that nobody

923
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: believes in. You can't talk about, there's no one there

924
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: to help, And I just always viewed at it through

925
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: the lens of STDs and communities having to grapple with

926
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: this thing that's affecting them that nobody cares about in

927
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: this horrific fashion. I just think it there are they're

928
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: incredibly striking movies about being uncomfortable with your body, the

929
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: desires that your body has and the effects of an

930
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: illness on it that you can't speak about.

931
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ian just put in a great another one.

932
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: It follows, you know, very much in that tradition. I

933
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: love that one. So this was also inspired by the

934
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: fact that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein has once again been adapted

935
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: by Giama del Toro, one of the greatest horror guys.

936
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: ME and Joel have seen it. There is so much

937
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: queer subtext in that movie. It's unbelievable. So I will

938
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: leave you with the final recommendation to lead you into that,

939
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: which is the nineteen thirty five Brider Frankenstein movie made

940
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: by James Whale, who was a gay guy who lived

941
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: with a gay partner. And the movie is so unusual,

942
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: it's so strange. It chooses to be about Mary Shelley

943
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: and also about the bride. I love it. I think

944
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: only a queer person could have made it. So watch

945
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: that and then go and watch Gia my del Toro

946
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: is also extremely gay Frankenstein.

947
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 7: I'm so excited.

948
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to break and be right back with

949
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: our interview with Tina Romero, director of Queens.

950
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: Of the Day, and we're back. Me and Carmen will

951
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: be chatting to Tina Romero, director of Queens of the Dead,

952
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: and you can listen to that chat right now.

953
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 7: Tina, Yes, thank you for being here. We loved the

954
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 7: movie and one of the things that I found so

955
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 7: just awk him about the film. Was that you were

956
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 7: able to bring together every letter from the libiquitter community.

957
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 7: As my Auntie T. S. Madison calls it, You're able

958
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 7: to bring together all the letters of the libiquitter community.

959
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 7: What was it like bringing together this this cast?

960
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 10: And I mean what a cast. This is a dream

961
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 10: come true, this cast. I can't even believe how lucky

962
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 10: we got. And I, you know, from the beginning, one

963
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 10: of the first goals of mine was to flip the

964
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 10: script on the Zombie Apocalypse Motley Crewe.

965
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 4: You know, instead of having the one tokens.

966
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 10: Gay, I wanted to have you know, I wanted to

967
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 10: have the.

968
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 4: Entire crew be gay, with our with our token, with.

969
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 10: Our straight guy from Staten Island, I really didn't think

970
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 10: he was going to be here on a Saturday got

971
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 10: to have one, and you know, he didn't think he

972
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 10: was going to be here on a Saturday night when

973
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 10: the dead started to rise. But ultimately he's kind of

974
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 10: glad that he is. And that was just important to

975
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 10: me from the beginning. I wanted to do that. And

976
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 10: I also really wanted to cast this thing as authentically

977
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 10: queer as possible. I wanted queer actors in these queer

978
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 10: roles and so that's it's it's not without challenge, you know,

979
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 10: like this is an indie film for sure, but there

980
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 10: still is always like some sort of question about like okay,

981
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 10: who gets the movie made and stuff like that, which

982
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 10: you know, I roll on many levels because like, especially

983
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 10: when you're doing horror, I don't I don't believe that

984
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 10: you need big names.

985
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 4: But oh my god, names did we get.

986
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 10: And I was, I was writing letters to people years

987
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 10: before I had any business to do so, before we

988
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 10: had any funding, before we had a green light, before

989
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 10: we even had a yellow light.

990
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 4: I was. I was writing to people and there were

991
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 4: many many no's.

992
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 10: I got many nose along the way, but then I

993
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 10: would get a magically yes. And one of my first

994
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 10: magical yesses was Dominique Jackson and a legend exactly, and

995
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 10: she and I had a fantastic conversation. She related to

996
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 10: the material. She comes from New York night life. She

997
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 10: knows these streets. She and her colleagues back in the

998
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 10: day would fantasize in the green room about what they

999
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 10: would use to get out of the club should go down.

1000
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 10: We talked about how like you know, women in her

1001
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 10: and their acts would She had one friend in particularly

1002
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 10: who had a but dazzled hammer that she carried around

1003
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 10: for personal safety and the cops couldn't confiscate it because

1004
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 10: it was rhinestoned and that was a prop for her,

1005
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 10: and and so you know, we were just very spiritually

1006
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 10: aligned on this, and you know, put and put dominic

1007
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 10: Jackson in everything she is. She's she's agreed professional, she's

1008
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 10: a great actor, she's funny, she's dreamed to work with.

1009
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 10: And I do think that when when the script started

1010
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 10: to go out with Dominique Jackson attached, I got a

1011
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 10: little bit more interest, like, oh, I'm going to take

1012
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 10: a second read at this.

1013
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 4: And and you know, Katie O'Brien was an early was

1014
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 4: an early yes.

1015
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 10: And then but then you know, with casting, it becomes

1016
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 10: the question of like, okay, but when it actually goes

1017
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 10: are all the same people still available?

1018
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 4: Are they still down?

1019
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 10: You know, Katie had since we first connected, she got

1020
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 10: she did love Lives Bleeding. She was literally on set

1021
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 10: Mass Masterpiece, and she was literally on set in the

1022
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 10: UK doing Mission Impossible while we were shooting Queens of

1023
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 10: the Dead, which is why there is a special thanks

1024
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 10: to Tom Cruise and our special thanks in the credits.

1025
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 10: It kind of looks like a joke, but it is

1026
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 10: very sincere We Tom, we sincerely thank you for releasing

1027
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 10: Katie O'Brien to us. They let they worked with our schedule,

1028
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 10: They helped, They helped fly her back to New Jersey

1029
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 10: from the UK to New Jersey more than once so

1030
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 10: that she could be doing both projects at the same time. Yeah,

1031
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 10: and I was like, I was so nervous because I

1032
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 10: knew that they definitely had a smoothie truck on set

1033
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 10: on Mission Impossible, and we most definitely did not. And

1034
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 10: you know, it was it was like, you know, it

1035
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 10: felt like the I kept joking that it was like

1036
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 10: she was going from the glittervich party to the young

1037
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 10: party that she said, you know, but like, but you know,

1038
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 10: our our set was we didn't have much as far

1039
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 10: as bells and whistles and treats for people, but we

1040
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 10: had a lot of heart and and this cast really

1041
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 10: set the bar for morale, you know, because they they came.

1042
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 4: We did not have private trailers.

1043
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 10: We have family style meals, and it was a type

1044
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 10: of set where like the second Ac and dominicqu Jackson

1045
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 10: on a first name basis, And I think that that

1046
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 10: is it's so it can be really rare to find that,

1047
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 10: and and I think it really created a sense of

1048
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 10: camaraderie and a sense of community and a sense of

1049
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 10: we're in it together. And you know, I've been saying

1050
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 10: a lot that, Like the story on camera is very

1051
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 10: much like queer people sticking together to survive something crazy,

1052
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 10: and that was the story behind the scenes too.

1053
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 4: Like this was a very hard shoot, but the gays

1054
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 4: got it done.

1055
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 10: We had ninety eight percent queer crew, department heads, all

1056
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 10: the departments, you know, just down to everybody, props, hair wardrobe,

1057
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 10: like ads, second ads, Like it was the community coming

1058
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 10: together to get this movie done, the little gay zombie

1059
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 10: movie that could. And as a result, these characters go

1060
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 10: through an insane night without a strand of hair.

1061
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: Out exactly everyone. That was why I was. I love

1062
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: that you talked about casting authentically because something that I

1063
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: loved about this when it comes to, you know, turning

1064
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: the zombie story, flipping the script, is like I love

1065
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: how it is about this rave this like one night,

1066
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: the one night that you know we all have where

1067
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: every weekend, if you're like in a quick space and

1068
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: you're living in a squad and stuff, every night is

1069
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: that we can, like every night can every party can

1070
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: change your life, right, And I love that we get

1071
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: that as the setting, so we still get so much

1072
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: fun into personal drama and.

1073
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 11: Like play and actually a real in its own way

1074
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 11: way more realistic look at the kind of interpersonal play

1075
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 11: that you would have in a space like this.

1076
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,959
Speaker 2: Because actually a lot of times, you know, you're Dawn

1077
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: of the Dead's and those kind of incredible settings. Everybody

1078
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: knows about. It's strangers, it's people who have been thrown

1079
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: into this situation. And what I love about this is

1080
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: that you really spent the time to make this a

1081
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: found family. And it sounds like that's because that's what

1082
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Speaker 2: it was on set. So could you talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about showcasing that aspect of queer community while also

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Speaker 2: knowing you were going to have to have gorgeous makeup,

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Speaker 2: incredible fits and make it scary sometimes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, I.

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Speaker 10: Was really interested in exploring the infighting and the tensions

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01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 10: within the community because queer nightlife is absolutely a space

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 10: of coming together, resistance, resilience, creativity, great parties, all of that,

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 10: but it is not without drama, it is not without

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01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 10: being you know, and as identity politics as identity opens

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01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 10: up in general and parties become a little bit more

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Speaker 10: identity agnostic.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's welcome here.

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Speaker 10: It's putting a bunch of queer people in the same

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01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 10: space that don't always know how to get along and

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01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 10: don't always have the same types of cultural ongoings, and like,

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01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 10: you know, the gay boys and the lesbians don't always

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 10: party the same way, and and yet here we are

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01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 10: in the same spaces. And it's beautiful and it can

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 10: also be hard, and it's both and and so I

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01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 10: really wanted to make sure that we captured some of

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Speaker 10: those because that's also a trope of a zombie film

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Speaker 10: that I think is a great one.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you throw together.

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Speaker 10: These people and life before, the life before is one thing,

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01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 10: and then you have this event and everything changes, perspective shifts,

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01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 10: the stakes are higher, and you know, people can really

1109
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 10: people already get in each other's way, but in a crisis,

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01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 10: when there's a breakdown of communication, it can be even

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Speaker 10: height more extreme. And so that was one of the

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Speaker 10: first things that my co writer Aaron Judge and I

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01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 10: wanted to look at, was was like, how how within

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Speaker 10: this like this beautiful, wonderful community are there are there

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 10: problems and where do people not get along? And like

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01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 10: what about the age differences, Like we really wanted to

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01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 10: have the older gays and the younger gays at each

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Speaker 10: other's road a little bit, and that's what we see

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01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 10: in gen zy Tonic and Ego and and then you know,

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Speaker 10: we and then there's even the power struggle between Dre

1121
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 10: and Pops to both kind of identify as the like

1122
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 10: the alpha power dykes of their posse's but like, but

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Speaker 10: they come from different they come at it from different ways.

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Speaker 10: And you know, Pops has this career as a lawyer,

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Speaker 10: and Dre's promoting, promoting parties and and and so we

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01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 10: wanted to play with all of these these tensions. But

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Speaker 10: ultimately we really didn't want this to be a final

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Speaker 10: Girl movie. We did not want it to be whittled

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Speaker 10: down to one lone survivor. We felt it was important

1130
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Speaker 10: to have most of our people survive. Spoiler alert, not

1131
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 10: everybody survives, but we we do lose some beloveds, but

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Speaker 10: we we wanted most them to make it out, and

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Speaker 10: we wanted the survival to be because they stuck together

1134
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 10: and they fought alongside each other. And that's the message

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 10: that we wanted to send. We wrote a bulk of this.

1136
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Speaker 10: You know, we've been working on the story for nearly

1137
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 10: eight years. It's a long time. It's evolved in many

1138
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 10: many ways, but that was always true. We always that

1139
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 10: was always the conceit of the story was that this

1140
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 10: is about community and the community getting through this night together.

1141
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 10: But we wrote the bulk of it during COVID, which

1142
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 10: was a dark and scary, weird time, and we were like,

1143
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 10: we don't want we don't want to see personally, we

1144
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 10: didn't want to see something that was heavy and sad,

1145
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 10: and like, you know, we wanted to make a movie

1146
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 10: where you had a fun, banging credits track and you

1147
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 10: like were leaving the theater with a little bit of

1148
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 10: a dance move and like a little hope in your

1149
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 10: heart and a smile on your face. And we just

1150
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 10: felt like that that's what the world needed. And here

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01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 10: we are in twenty twenty five, and I'm so grateful

1152
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 10: to IFC and Shutter that this.

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Speaker 4: Movie is coming out now.

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Speaker 10: You know, you make an indie film, you take it

1155
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 10: to festival and it could be years before it gets

1156
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 10: to release, and I just can't believe it. I can't

1157
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 10: believe how lucky we are that this movie's actually coming

1158
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 10: out in twenty twenty five, because the timing feels so important.

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01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 10: I just think the queer community is going through something

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01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 10: pretty intense right now. They're really scared and under attack

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01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 10: and erased. And I'm happy, so happy that this film

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01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 10: puts queer people on the screen, and it does it

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Speaker 10: in a way that's like colorful and joyous and you know,

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Speaker 10: just fun.

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Speaker 4: And I think we just need a little bit of fun.

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, we do that bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 7: You already kind of like went into my next question

1170
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 7: there for you, but yeah, I did want to kind

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Speaker 7: of know what it is like to bring this film.

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Speaker 7: You know, you said you've been working on it for

1173
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 7: eight years. What is it like for this film to

1174
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 7: now be released into the world that is today, Like,

1175
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 7: how does that feel?

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Speaker 10: It feels surreal, it feels of course, there's like it

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 10: feels scary.

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Speaker 4: I I'm like, oh my god, we're doing it. It's

1179
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 4: we're putting it out. It's it feels magical.

1180
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 10: It feels like a dream come true. I just had

1181
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 10: the experience of showing this film at NewFest Saturday.

1182
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 4: Night Love And and it.

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01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 10: Was, Oh my god, what a divine experience to be

1184
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 10: in a theater full of New York City queers, you know,

1185
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 10: really the perfect audience for this movie. Yeah, and every

1186
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 10: and every time they laughed or squealed, it was just

1187
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 10: felt like a warm hug. And I have to say,

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01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 10: like I've i this has been such a long pregnancy,

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01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 10: and like it was such a hard labor, and now

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 10: that the baby's out, like there's this fear to share

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01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 10: the baby and passed the baby around. But I'm so

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 10: touched with how people have been like we'll be gentle

1193
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Speaker 10: with the.

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Speaker 4: Baby, like let us hold the baby.

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Speaker 10: We like her, she's cute, she's you know, like we

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01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 10: can you know, I think there was I did have

1197
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 10: a lot of anxiety around like, Okay, my name is

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 10: Tina Romero. People might read that and expect one thing,

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Speaker 10: and what they're going to get is something pretty different.

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Speaker 10: Like it's not it's not a gore fist, it's not

1201
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 10: a it's not gonna scare you shitless. There are there

1202
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 10: are there there are ways that this film is so

1203
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 10: not a George Romero film. And I was, you know,

1204
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 10: I'm nervous that people will be disappointed by that. But

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01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 10: I also firmly stand behind the film that I made

1206
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 10: and I and I love the baby for who she is,

1207
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 10: and it's very much a Tina Romero film. Yeah, And

1208
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 10: so it's just I do hope that people are like

1209
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 10: down to take this ride with me, because I really

1210
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 10: wanted to capture my dad's spirit. I want his spirit

1211
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 10: to shine through, because his spirit isn't me And I

1212
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 10: loved him so much. I love the movies he made.

1213
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Speaker 10: I love this monster he created, and and the part

1214
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 10: the parts of the monster that resonate with me most

1215
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 10: deeply are the parts of the monster that remind me

1216
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Speaker 10: of him, Like he was this big, six foot four,

1217
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 10: silly like walking muppet, you know, very very gentle giant

1218
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 10: who love to laugh and love to be playful. And

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01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 10: I think that zombies are the most fun when they're

1220
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 10: a little bit silly. So I wanted to bring that out.

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Speaker 10: And I do hope that that people can feel a

1222
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 10: little bit of bub and feel a little bit of

1223
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 10: the dawn of the Dead, and feel some of these

1224
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 10: Romero these Romero things, while also like you know, coming

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Speaker 10: into a different kind of setting with me.

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Speaker 4: And so so it feels great, it feels.

1227
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Speaker 10: So exciting, but you know, you go to film school

1228
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 10: and your dream is to make a feature film and

1229
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 10: maybe put that feature film on a big screen, and

1230
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 10: it's happening, and I'm just over the moon.

1231
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Speaker 2: Well, something I think is really exciting about it, too,

1232
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: is the me and Common. We're talking about this before,

1233
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Speaker 2: but this is a wide release and it's not just

1234
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 2: going to your big up and city scent is even

1235
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: though obviously like the New York Games, the LA Gays

1236
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: like us, like this has made for us. We love it,

1237
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: we love cinema, but like Common, this is playing.

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Speaker 7: It's playing in Lawrenceville, Georgia, where I'm from, which is crazy.

1239
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: Just how does that feel that for some kid who

1240
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: just wanders in because it's cheap Tuesday and it's in

1241
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 2: a cinema where they don't usually show this stuff but

1242
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: maybe they have an extra screen, and so how does

1243
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 2: it feel that, like somebody, this could be not only

1244
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 2: their first you know, zombie movie if they're a teen

1245
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: or whatever, but it could be their queer movie that

1246
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 2: they find that becomes the one that they hang on

1247
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 2: to that makes them love who they are. I mean,

1248
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 2: we all have those films. How does that feel?

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Speaker 10: It's honestly, it's so incredible. It's this is why I'm

1250
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 10: so grateful to I f C. Because I do think

1251
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 10: that there is I do think there are people in

1252
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 10: states that are, you know, maybe a little bit less

1253
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 10: blue than LA and New York that could really use

1254
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 10: this movie who might really see themselves in one of

1255
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 10: these characters. And I feel like it's it's just it's

1256
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 10: so it's so exciting to put this full spectrum of

1257
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 10: the lipiquitas, as you said, but it's so good on

1258
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 10: on screen, you know, like it's we are in an

1259
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 10: era where we don't have to code those things anymore.

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Speaker 4: We don't have to be hidden. We can be out there.

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Speaker 10: And and what I think is so special about this

1262
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 10: movie is that it's like it's kind of like the

1263
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 10: Queer Goonies. It's like it's it's like, this is a

1264
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,440
Speaker 10: posse of people and there's a lot of really delightful,

1265
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 10: magical characters, and like I hope that people can find like,

1266
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 10: oh yeah, I'm like a Kelsey or I'm like an Eco,

1267
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 10: I'm like a Pops like I I you know, and

1268
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 10: I hope that people do get to see it. I

1269
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 10: really do. I want that for the people in Lawrenceville.

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 10: I want that for the people and and down in

1271
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Speaker 10: North Carolina. Like you know, I think I really, I

1272
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Speaker 10: really truly hope that this film does make it reach

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01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 10: out to these less urban places too.

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Speaker 7: Do you know, we think that horror is a very

1275
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 7: queer genre. Last thing before we let you go. Why

1276
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 7: Why do you think that horror queer people horror so much?

1277
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 4: Oh man? You know, because we like things extreme, you know.

1278
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 4: We we're we we queer people are we can handle

1279
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 4: a lot. We do handle a lot.

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Speaker 10: And and like you know, just just like queer people

1281
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 10: often like musicals, you know, I think we I like,

1282
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 10: I think we we we are not afraid of things

1283
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 10: being over the top, and and like horror is over

1284
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 10: the top.

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01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 6: You know.

1286
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 10: And it's also like there's I think there's a lot

1287
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 10: of ways you can look at it, like we also are.

1288
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 10: It's it's cathartic, you know, it's a way of it's

1289
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 10: a way of externalizing a lot of dark ship that

1290
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 10: we feel inside that we go through in the world.

1291
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 10: And it's and you get to experience it in the

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 10: safety of your in the theater, the safety of your home.

1293
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 10: And I think there's catharsist there. But and but then

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Speaker 10: I also think like aesthetically like you know.

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Speaker 12: We we we Likeraankenstein, Crush felt exactly like there's just

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Speaker 12: it just I think it makes perfect sense that queer

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Speaker 12: people love horror and all types of horror.

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Speaker 10: I think there's so many ways to go at it,

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Speaker 10: and there's like, you know, different strokes for different folks.

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Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, I do think

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Speaker 10: that this is like I hope this is kind of

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Speaker 10: a gateway horror for people. Yeah, for those who don't

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Speaker 10: really maybe are a little squeamish about blood or maybe

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Speaker 10: don't want to see, you know, a lot of violence

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Speaker 10: on camera.

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Speaker 4: I think that this is an okay film.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to check out. Well, you know that. Literally just

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Speaker 2: before we hoped on, I looked at my thing. It

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Speaker 2: was eleven fifty five. But I almost was gonna be

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Speaker 2: late to jump on because I texted my sister, who

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Speaker 2: will not watch a horror movie, and I sent her

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Speaker 2: the trailer and I said, I am so sure that

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Speaker 2: you will like this because she she loves drag culture,

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Speaker 2: she loves like fabulous women, like, she loves all the stuff,

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Speaker 2: she loves queerness, she loves all the stuff that is

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Speaker 2: in the movie. But she was like oh, I don't

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Speaker 2: watch spooky stuff. And I was like, you've watched Pray

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Speaker 2: Little Lias, Like if you can deal with that, it's

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Speaker 2: a suspenseful show, like this is fun, this is goofy,

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Speaker 2: it's gorgeous, it's sexy. So so don't worry. We're already

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Speaker 2: doing it. We were already spending the Gateway horror wad.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank.

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Speaker 10: You, because yes, at the end of the day, like

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Speaker 10: this is a film about the queer community, very much

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Speaker 10: created by the queer community, but I feel strongly that

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Speaker 10: everyone is invited to the party, and I really hope

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Speaker 10: that people even outside of the queer community have a

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Speaker 10: good time at this movie. And those of you who

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Speaker 10: don't really love horror, I think you'll have a good

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Speaker 10: time too.

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Speaker 4: We put glitter in the Blood.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, glare in the blood. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us to Thanks youving, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: You've both have been so lovely to talk to. Thank

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Speaker 4: you so much.

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Speaker 1: All the next episodes of X ray Vision, we're diving

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Speaker 1: into news. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Cepcion, I'm Rosie

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Speaker 1: Night and is a production of iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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