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Speaker 1: Hey, what up, Welcome in. I'm do Golli man. This

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Speaker 1: is the All Ball Podcast, All Basketball, all the time. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think next week we'll talk some recruiting. Next week

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Speaker 1: we have a great special guest for you. We'll get

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Speaker 1: him on. Uh. We got a lot of things I

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Speaker 1: want I want to get to. Let me start with

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Speaker 1: the news of the moment. Russell Westbrook has been traded

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Speaker 1: for Chris Paul and like four first round draft picture,

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Speaker 1: the rights, the switch to blah blah blah blah blah. Right,

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Speaker 1: Like you know, if you're listening to this podcast, I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing you know the details. So of the questions that

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Speaker 1: are asked, most of me, I would say, most of you, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of the deal? Okay? I love

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul. I tell people this all the time. If

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Speaker 1: I could play like any guy in the NBA, Chris

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Speaker 1: Paul in his prime, more so than Steve Nash and

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Speaker 1: his prime, Steve Ash was a better creative passer, probably

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Speaker 1: a better shooter. He had a wilder arrays, array of

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul. He goes right, and he's going right and

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Speaker 1: nothing you can do. But Chris Paul has a a

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Speaker 1: defensive bulldog mentality that Steve Nash just didn't have. And

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Speaker 1: I felt like I also feel like he was one

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Speaker 1: his spot, he was gonna make it. Whereas Nash it

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Speaker 1: did feel like shooting. He was a great shooter, but

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Speaker 1: I love Nash, but the defensive any to take Chris Paul,

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Speaker 1: So I probably take Chris Paul. He was an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: pick and role player. UM like David David West should

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Speaker 1: send him a portion of his check. Any check he

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Speaker 1: that's the dude that got him paid. UM that said, like, look, man,

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Speaker 1: they weren't running when they have James Harden the game

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Speaker 1: they're not really running screen role and when they did

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Speaker 1: a lot of times they wouldn't run it for you.

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Speaker 1: It was a weird fit, right. You have two dominant

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Speaker 1: ball handlers, you have a team that values kind of analytics,

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Speaker 1: drive and kick, and you have a guy that's a

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Speaker 1: pick and roll point guard, that's the second best player

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Speaker 1: your contract with all the money that they promised him.

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Speaker 1: But when they traded him, and then it became obvious

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Speaker 1: that they shouldn't give it to him, they thought about

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Speaker 1: not giving to him, then they did give it to him,

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Speaker 1: and they're left with a terrible contract for a really

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Speaker 1: good player who's not the player he used to be,

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Speaker 1: and they trade him for Russell Westbrook. Now Westbrook is

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Speaker 1: not the guy he used to be. He's had a

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Speaker 1: couple of knee surgeries, He's gone through a year where

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Speaker 1: you had the gips at the free throw line, takes

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Speaker 1: bad shots, has some bad habits. He doesn't play nearly

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Speaker 1: as hard defensively as his reputation would tell you, But

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Speaker 1: when he choose to do so, he's still a complete

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Speaker 1: freak of nature defensively, athletically and aggressiveness. But I don't

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Speaker 1: understand how this ends up with the championship. In addition

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Speaker 1: to Russell's inefficiency, and I'll point out that in fairness,

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook played great basketball and try to facilitate the

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Speaker 1: growth of Paul George's career for a good portion of

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Speaker 1: because Russell Westbrook at this point in his career is

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Speaker 1: this's not getting better. We can't add the right pieces.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get out of it. I think the most

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Speaker 1: and so you know, I think it's gonna be fascinating

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Speaker 1: if they can do that, if Russell can play off

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Speaker 1: pretty obvious, al right. The Clippers outside of Kawhi Leonard

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Speaker 1: saying that these doctors are wrong, but let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: Genetics play the biggest factor in where how you hurt,

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Speaker 1: diet plays a factor does overuse sometimes do we not

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Speaker 1: only thing that overuse in terms of basketball is it

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Speaker 1: is more landing, more pounding, more chances of landing off balance,

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Speaker 1: and that's when you hurt yourself. But playing basketball itself

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Speaker 1: is not the type of sport where you're going to

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Speaker 1: have broken legs, broken bones, torn up achilles and muscles

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Speaker 1: unless you have something genetic, something dietary, or you land awkwardly.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing that playing a bunch of times

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Speaker 1: So to me, it's yeah, there's a limit, but it's

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Speaker 1: building up your entire body, which may cut down on

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Speaker 1: some of the injuries. Be sure to catch live editions

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Speaker 1: his pro players who come in and work out with him,

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Speaker 1: you know, the NBA. So well, let me just let's

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Speaker 1: just start. Does Harden and Westbrook Part two work? I

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Speaker 1: take short term? Okay, like little a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: think they moved into a little bit short term. I'm

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Speaker 1: not convinced absent a wholesale system shaped with lady Dog

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't trust his long term dog now

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Speaker 1: an irony there for Darryl Morey, a guy who has

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Speaker 1: valued analytics U and champion them to a level that

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Speaker 1: until he did it hadn't previously maybe been seen in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Valuing a player like Russell Westbrook, who is

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Speaker 1: So that's why I mentioned the kind of the tea

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Speaker 1: really a great guy to talk to. Uh. I think

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Speaker 1: mind with acquiring Uh, you know, just fantastic players, difference makers,

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Speaker 1: and then you show in the gaps around it, and

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Speaker 1: then then you kind of also choose how you silistically

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Speaker 1: played fast, he's played slow. They've always shot a lot

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Speaker 1: of threes. This is, you know what. I'm writing a

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Speaker 1: week to dive into it. But they need to come

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Speaker 1: shoot a lot of three unless, uh, and until maybe

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Speaker 1: which is possible. Part of his his problem, Doug is

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Speaker 1: a little bit. He doesn't have a shooter's mentality for sure, uh,

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Speaker 1: way Chris Paul plays, only he's better and more durable,

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Speaker 1: typically he'll soak up a lot more minutes. Uh, they'll

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that it works that way on

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Speaker 1: out of here. I don't think it happened November December,

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Speaker 1: It is interesting that Darryl has really tried everything right.

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Speaker 1: I mean they tried to Dwight Howard thing. They thought

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Speaker 1: there have been different incarnations of it. I think in

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Speaker 1: be great. But when I watched him when they had Capella,

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Speaker 1: a four off the dribble. He can't creeze, not that

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Speaker 1: we're under selling how effective Chris Paul could be because

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Speaker 1: time ago, when he was the thunder. I'm friendly with

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys in the front office then, and

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Speaker 1: it because he's a great cutter. My my one thought

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Speaker 1: really hard. Now you're like, you're gonna try and relearn

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Speaker 1: something you used to do back, you know, early in

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Speaker 1: your career. But won't the lane be more spread out?

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Speaker 1: But won't he finish at a higher percentage? Won't that

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Speaker 1: line and from three. But isn't there the chance to

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Speaker 1: get to the cup easier because most times there'll be

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Speaker 1: nobody at the basket waiting for him. Well, well, the

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Speaker 1: only I'll be waiting would be the guy guarding Capella.

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Speaker 1: because if you commit to Westford thrive and Capella has

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Speaker 1: So on the finishing part, I actually think he's he

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Speaker 1: But I think that goes back the shot selection to

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Speaker 1: I think he drives in a crowd too much and

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Speaker 1: I to make all those shots and you just can't.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just an amazing lesson that I worked with

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Speaker 1: athletes on every level all the time. You stop tough

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Speaker 1: thing to test the shots anywhere you are litten like

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Speaker 1: Zach Randolph who just says ungodly touch or Blake Griffin

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Speaker 1: It's just not a good shot. But yeah, in theory,

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Speaker 1: uh this goes That's what I was saying. If they

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things you can do

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Speaker 1: with the cutter. I think that it's it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a net positive. Uh. It's just here's the thing. It's

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Speaker 1: an arms race right in the West. Uh. God, Houston

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Speaker 1: absolutely was a contender. I gave him a forty percent

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Speaker 1: chance to beat Going State two years ago before the series,

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Speaker 1: and of course they lost that series. Uh. This year,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was much less likely that they could win,

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Speaker 1: and then of course they didn't. But it doesn't take

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Speaker 1: away from the great season they had after not a

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Speaker 1: great start, and I think the Capella Andrews you mentioned

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Speaker 1: has I think they've been They were incrementally better, a

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Speaker 1: little bit better this here. The problem is you tak

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Speaker 1: they're young and now get now they've got some experience

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Speaker 1: with not one but two seven games series under their belt.

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Speaker 1: In the playoffs where you know which has a little

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Speaker 1: gray of your hair? Uh, of course we know what

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Speaker 1: happens where White Side becomes a very good backup to

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Speaker 1: Nerve gets for a terrific and maybe underrated Portland team

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Speaker 1: on the West. I have it at eight contenders, and

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Speaker 1: I think another team. Can I give you another team

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Speaker 1: that I actually think has a chance to make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: And no one's talking about about I like Phoenix. I

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Speaker 1: like Phoenix, like Ricky, Ricky Rubio is a good defender.

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Speaker 1: They've been dying from the point guard. They dying for

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Speaker 1: point guard. And they got they got rid of some

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Speaker 1: of the some of the poison in that locker room.

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Speaker 1: You know, they had, they just had they had some

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Speaker 1: issues with with with Josh Jackson, you know, they you know,

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Speaker 1: they just everybody thought that he was a culture cure

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Speaker 1: and turns out he was a cultural killer. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: they have one of the elite scorers in the NBA

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Speaker 1: um Like. I don't know if it happens this year,

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Speaker 1: but again, my my point is, and this is why,

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Speaker 1: some of these teams in a second. Why I saw

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Speaker 1: Houston added Tyson Chandler to day. I think that's a mistake.

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Speaker 1: Tyson Chandler can't play anymore, and you need some young

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Speaker 1: guys on your bench because the regular season is so rigorous,

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Speaker 1: so rigorous that if you don't have young guys that

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Speaker 1: have fresh legs that can carry you through the regular season,

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Speaker 1: you end up playing your vets too much and they

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Speaker 1: have nothing left in the postseason. Well, so I completely

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Speaker 1: adored what you just said. I just I just did

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Speaker 1: a Denver show last night where I talked about high

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Speaker 1: think Denver to play super facists that are relatively Oh uh,

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Speaker 1: Yoka is such a great rebound or outlet pastor, and

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Speaker 1: then you can always go half court with them if

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Speaker 1: you can't score early in transition, but you can wear

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Speaker 1: it teams down and they are a deep team. But

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Speaker 1: go back to your Rubio point. Uh. Most people probably

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Speaker 1: don't remember this, but I had to follow the lead

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Speaker 1: pretty closely for a long time, and when they had

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Speaker 1: Pekovic and Kevin Love, I watched all their games, many

641
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Speaker 1: many of their games, if not most of their games.

642
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Speaker 1: And uh, Rubio is maybe the best post feater off

643
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: the dribble. But I've ever seen in terms of fighting

644
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: creative ways to get the big guy of the ball.

645
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: It's not just the simple drive the dish that you

646
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and I, well, you did it more than I did.

647
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: You were most be a player than me. But I

648
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: used to try to do that, and of course Cleaveland

649
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: doing it for for generations. But Rubio does it in

650
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: such creative ways. And so they're big guy who's pretty

651
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: talented is going to get as long as he can

652
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: catch the ball, which I don't think his hands are bad.

653
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to get better because Rubio making pretty

654
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: incredible bounce passes. I'll drive don't see coming and the

655
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: de sense doesn't see it coming either, which is why

656
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: it's genius. And so yeah, his numbers are gonna explode

657
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: because of Ricky. But but you know, I think I

658
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: gave you eight teams. They're all better obviously before injuries. Uh,

659
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: and so that's what that's my point. The West is

660
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: so loaded, maybe maybe the most load that's ever been.

661
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: And we've had some West eight playoffs seeds that one like,

662
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, fifty games. I think it's better now. And

663
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: that's why Houston has got to figure this out because

664
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: it's just the competition to two peers. Otherwise, does does

665
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Chris Paul? What does Let's say he ends up in

666
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: in my end, and they probably have to involve a

667
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: third team, But that seems to be the one right

668
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: where um that seems to be the one that that

669
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: makes some sense. Um does what does he? How does

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00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: he fit with Jimmy Butler? Okay, so uh, there's another

671
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: team I think makes some sense. I don't know that

672
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: will work out. But to me, Detroit has uh. I

673
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: agree before you said to start the conversation. Those those

674
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: two and Water though, aren't they blaking him? I don't know. Yeah,

675
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: that you know better than me being out there. I

676
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: don't know if they can never work together. Hardeness just

677
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: he just rejoined with Westbrook. I've heard they're actually friends,

678
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: um Miami. So here's the thing on Chris Paul earlier

679
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: his career, and maybe maybe you're more connected to this

680
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: part of the story than than I am, because I

681
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: don't know the answer it is. But earliest career, I

682
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: mean four or five years in UH, he was a

683
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: fun guy to play with. I actually went to a

684
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: game in New Orleans where UH they played. He was

685
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. They played Utah with Derek Williams, and

686
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I was doing a big study, just a personal study

687
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: for his end on those two players. Then you recognized

688
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: to the top two point guards in the league, and

689
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: Derrik Williams just a jerk. Before the game, I got

690
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: there two hours early. I watched all the guys warm

691
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: up like I always do, and I mean he's just

692
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: raping guys. They come in and you could just see

693
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: you as the Malcolm Tail immediately were surprised. We don't

694
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: really know that much about it. Sph was just so different.

695
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: He was just a breath of fresh air for every

696
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: guy coming in. It was a relatively big game because

697
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: Derrick William's team always kind of beat New Orleans team

698
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: back better with with Chris Paul, even though I thought

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00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: Chris Paul was better. Uh, and that is not the

700
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: case anymore, Doug. I don't hear people and enjoying their

701
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: time playing with Chris Paul in l A and Houston.

702
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: I heard some announcers on some journalists that are friends

703
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: of mine yesterday on a podcast talk about how at

704
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: one point last year they literally read James Harden's list.

705
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: They were sitting close to the court when Chris Paul

706
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: complained about something and hard responsive. It's always at seeing

707
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: something with you, and that tells the big story. He

708
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: is mouth intent now and so I don't know how

709
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Speaker 1: it goes the Jimmy Babbler, who I think actually it's

710
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: the pretty good guy better than maybe his reputation is.

711
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: But he's a hard driven guy. Uh. Maybe because Chris

712
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: Paul is so competitive beside think he is that I've

713
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: been a pat Rowley's really good. Like I don't think

714
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Speaker 1: the heater a great a well run organization, a diz,

715
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Speaker 1: But on the court, they do a great job of

716
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: being a very professional product. And pat Riley had is

717
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: one of the few guys in the league you'd probably

718
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: agree that has the kind of the gravitas to organize,

719
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, someone like Chris Paul and and and Jimmy

720
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: and hey, guys, we gotta get along here. But if

721
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Speaker 1: curious how it feels about this, he didn't. He didn't

722
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Speaker 1: sign up for this. If indeed Chris Paul's the guy

723
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Speaker 1: that he partners with, Yeah, it's it's going to be

724
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Speaker 1: super interesting. What do you think of the Lakers roster?

725
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't love it. I see the Lakers and the Clippers.

726
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: The Clippers, to me, are a more fully formed team today.

727
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that I savored them to win the

728
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: West regular season. I'm not going to turn to the playoffs.

729
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: We have no idea what these teams will look like

730
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: that time against April. But I like Denver and you

731
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: saw both more for the regular season. But still the

732
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: Clippers will be right there. They're obviously very good. The

733
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: other teams are too. I think l A is gonna

734
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Speaker 1: take some time. I happen to think Lebron it's still

735
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Speaker 1: I'm a zy Andy David be as well. I don't

736
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Speaker 1: love Rondo. I don't got a handful. I don't know

737
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Speaker 1: the Rondo. The Rondo one is the one that I

738
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Speaker 1: don't like. Now, maybe he doesn't play that much, just

739
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: he can't guard anybody anymore. And I don't think Lebron

740
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Speaker 1: plays the one like this saying I think Caruso the time.

741
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: I think Caruso is the guy who comes off the

742
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Speaker 1: bench and becomes moves him to moves him back to

743
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Speaker 1: four when they go small. I think Caruso is the

744
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: guy that they I don't really get, Like Quinn Cook

745
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Rondo and

746
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: I know the I think they'll leave a spot open

747
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: to hopefully get Andrea Goodalla um. And you know Troy

748
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: Daniels is just a sniper and come in and shoot.

749
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't like k CP normally, but if he's your

750
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: ninth or tenth guy, I don't hate it, just because

751
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, against backups, he's fine. Um, but maybe they

752
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: to the sick man and like Lou Williams is, he's

753
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: not he's not the way. But Kuzma, Kuzma is that guy.

754
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: Kuzma is the guy that they expect to be, to

755
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: be their six man and to come in and they

756
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: feel like they're walking on the court with seventy five

757
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: points between Kuzma a D and Lebron James. I think

758
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: the big question for Lebron James is how does he

759
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: move this year? I've heard he's down pounds um And

760
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: then if you if I think defensively they could be

761
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: very good. You put Avery Bradley on the ball, you

762
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: have you try and hide Lebron. Anthony Davis can erase mistakes.

763
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: Danny Green's obviously a plus defender. I think you have

764
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Speaker 1: other good defenders you know on that team. Kuzma is

765
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: not one of them. But Anthony Davis can defend the

766
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Speaker 1: rim and everybody they can defend the ball. You start there,

767
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: you're pretty and Danny Green can guard whoever's best player.

768
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: He's not not Pete Danny Green, but he's not bad.

769
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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty good defensively. What I struggle with

770
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Speaker 1: is who's going to create shots than Lebron. And even

771
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: Lebron at this stage in life, like he kind of

772
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: has to do the bullyball or post up thing to

773
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: to create shots more than he used to be kind

774
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: of a freak athlete as he's lost a step. I

775
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Speaker 1: just I guess maybe are they depending on Anthony Davis

776
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: to create who create shots? Plays downhill for other people?

777
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: So so when you were saying this, what I was

778
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: thinking is if the Lakers, It's gonna sound maybe uh

779
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: more ironic than it should, but if the Lakers are

780
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: going to be the best team in the West, Anthony

781
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: Davis probably needs to be the MVP of the league

782
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: and maybe even leading scorer. He's got to be that guy.

783
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: He can't create his own shot, he can get, he

784
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: can do ever he wants in the court. Is an

785
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: incredible testament to how people. I mean, he scored. He

786
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: made one field goal in his last game at Kentucky

787
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: and now he was a freshman, but he made one

788
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: field goal in that championship game. Uh. He is an

789
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: incredible offensive player now and still ascending. So I think

790
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: he needs to be the guy that gets the most shots.

791
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: I think the team needs a revolve around him. If

792
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: you were a number when Lebron first got to Miami,

793
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: they struggled at first for a few different reasons. I

794
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: already thought that Lebron Wade Curring was incredible and with

795
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: no doubt succeed. He did not do great that first

796
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: maybe six weeks or so, until Wade kind of publicly

797
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: and privately said Lebron is a better player in this

798
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: team and if we kind of like let him lead,

799
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to see Lebron and admit I'd like him

800
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: to say day one, the best player in the world

801
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: right now is Antony Davison. We're gonna prove it every night.

802
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: I think that might be the reasoning game is number interesting. Yeah,

803
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: that's that that'd be smart going to do. And then

804
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: answers your question. Everything everything starts with Davis. I asked

805
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: you about point guard. Lebron has always been kind of

806
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: a primary ball handler. That's not going to change, nor

807
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: should it. Uh So Lerondo saying I never understood that,

808
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: although he is ridiculously smart and and that will make

809
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: some difference. When you say Kuzma, I agree with you.

810
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: I've always thought Kuzma has to be the sick man guy,

811
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: but he can't do it. Lou Williams does buy himself

812
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: North and KCP, but combined, if they just let those

813
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: guys go as scores in that second group. Um, obviously

814
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: Davis got to play with him some because of his

815
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: defensive abilities. And we'll see if they get a Goodala.

816
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: That's that's right, That's one of the bigger questions. What happened?

817
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Now does Chris Paul goes somewhere? S we contender? And

818
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: where does big Dolla go? Uh? That? And now it's

819
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: not that Agodala is great anymore. He can't be great

820
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: defensively he can, but he like he can he can

821
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: raise when the last thing we got about him and

822
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: a half last thing, Um, can you can you explain

823
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: to me what the seventies sixers did? Like I don't

824
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I get during the regular season, it gives them the

825
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: ability to rest uh their best player. But how do

826
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: you play at the end of the game with two centers?

827
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't play it. Uh. And I wrote

828
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: about this actually a week ago when they first got him,

829
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and I said that he's uh like they to me,

830
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: they did better than Brooklyn did. We'll see you in

831
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: a year and a half if Durant can play, and

832
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: how they how they pair up. I'm not fond of

833
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: that pairing. But basically the World champions. Toronto Raptors got

834
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: crushed by Philadelphia when and He was on the court.

835
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: They lost by twenty points for out of possessions. They

836
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: got destroyed when Andy was on the and was on

837
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: the court, and then Toronto made all their hey when

838
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Andy was off the court, and of course of the

839
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: seven game series, that won't be the problem anymore. I

840
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll play both guys together in the

841
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: fourth courter. They don't have to because they can play

842
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: Harrison at the four, but but Horfords and fourth spacer.

843
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: He's very coupled being apisode. How on the floor, he

844
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: also can lead the break, brilliant defender and a state defender.

845
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Speaker 1: In other words, he takes up space and touch off

846
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: angles and make two year around him. And then when

847
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: you're focused on him, that's a nab comes from behind

848
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Speaker 1: or up top and blocked the shot or leaked into it.

849
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Speaker 1: The even more. Uh, So I think he'll play, so

850
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be the first guy out in major

851
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: game and then play with the second group. So there's

852
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: always going to be uh, you know, an anchored detect

853
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: away for a team that desperately needed one. And uh

854
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: and he doesn't need the ball very much to be effective,

855
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: So I think it works out very I think they're

856
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: gonna be cancer. I think they wanted two Devia Milwaukee

857
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: to win the East. Absence another deal. Uh Westford goes

858
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: to Miami. Still wouldn't have done it. It's a two

859
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: team race right now in the East. Awesome stuff, David

860
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: Gambley to see your next stuff and read your next

861
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: stuff at True hoop dot com. In the meantime, we

862
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: appreciate you giving us your analysis here on the All

863
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: Ball Podcast. He start. Be sure to catch live editions

864
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: of the Doug dot Leap Show week days at noon

865
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: Eastern three pm Pacific t b T The Basketball Tournament,

866
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: which gets in a way. I know I'm coaching next

867
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: weekend in Greensboro. Uh. Nick Elam, who is the inventor

868
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: and found of the elam Ending, joins us. It's become

869
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: kind of a summer celebration of hoop. Nick, thanks so

870
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: much for joining us in the All Ball Podcast. Um

871
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: to be here, Thank you. I know you're not one

872
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: of the founders of TVT, but give me the do

873
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: you know how how did it all start? Because I

874
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: had a buddy UM who played at Princeton, and they

875
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: had this idea for an alumni tournament. This is going

876
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: back to the early two thousands, like take all the

877
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: alumni from all of these college teams and guys that

878
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: somehow go off in the business and play overseas and

879
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: come back and play against other schools that you played against.

880
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: Maybe the n c A tournament. It was gonna be

881
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: in Vegas. I just I wondered how this, how the idea,

882
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: how it all kind of came to be in two

883
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen. Yeah, So for John Ugar and Dan f Real,

884
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: I think that their concept was that you know, any

885
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: anybody can form a team and inter a tournament and

886
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: the winner takes home a big prize in this winner

887
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: take all tournament, I was really the appeal what said

888
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: it apart was that it was winner take all. And

889
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: I think even then they didn't quite know what they

890
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: had or what was going to be, um, you know,

891
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: what would take it to the next level. I think

892
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: as the years went on, as more alumni teams did

893
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: start to form, I think that that's created more of

894
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: a following. And what was great is that in those

895
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: early years, the turn you know TBT was really gaining

896
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: positive momentum, it really was becoming a well known event.

897
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: And so that's why it meant so much for me

898
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: that in Seen You Here, they already had this thriving

899
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: event and going into ten, after I had reached out

900
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: to them and proposed the concept of the elm ending

901
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: that they decided to implement it on experimental basis um.

902
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: You know, again, it wasn't because they needed to do it,

903
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: is because they really wanted to do it. They wanted

904
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: to to try and innovate and moved to the next level.

905
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: And then after they saw how it worked on a

906
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: limited basis in and to go full speed a head

907
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: for their full event anden and then here again in

908
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: ten using the emim ending. So for me, that's always

909
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: been the best endorsement that the format can get, is

910
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: for somebody to take a chance on it and to

911
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: implement it in their own event, and that's what they've

912
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: done at PPT. Yeah, I think this is gonna be interesting.

913
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: So obviously I'm getting coach in this thing. Coach Team

914
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: twenty three, we take on Power of the Paw, which

915
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: is a Clemson alumni that's on Friday July would be

916
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: on ESPN Fun and Okay, so the element. So for

917
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: people who don't know you're a professor, right, you were

918
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: a teacher at the time that this came to be,

919
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: Like how did how did you give me them when

920
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: you came up with the hey, this is how we

921
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: should end up basketball? Sure? So, uh yeah, I mean

922
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: I first devised the idea, I guess when I was

923
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: a teacher, and then since then I moved on to

924
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: be a school principal. Now I'm a professor. But really

925
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: the first kind of big discussion about this was way

926
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: back when I was a senior at the University of

927
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Date and I was a diehard Dating Flyers fan and

928
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: I've been a lifelong basketball fan, and all my roommates

929
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: were all big sports fans. So we're sitting around watching

930
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: in March madness and uh, you know, watching games just end,

931
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, like we had seen so often before, and

932
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: that day it just happened to be a lad eight Sunday.

933
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: I remembers Duke and Xavier, and you know, here we

934
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: had this great game that once you get to the

935
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: to the closing minutes, you know, it just totally warps

936
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: into a totally different style of play. And quite frankly,

937
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: I think an inferior style of play where the leading

938
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: team stalls and plays very passively. The trailing team now

939
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: they get so desperate when they're on defense they have

940
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: to foul and hand away three points. When they're on

941
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: offense that the rush and force up ugly shots. Uh,

942
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes it makes very slim Deficeit's very difficult to overcome,

943
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: and a lot of really big games and good games

944
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: just kind of end with a whimper. So we're kind

945
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: of looking at each other saying, you know, it's just

946
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: really kind of a weird way to end games, even

947
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: though we had become accustomed to it being big sports

948
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: fans at the time, but we didn't have any solutions

949
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: at the time. But it was a few years later

950
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: um thinking about it a little bit more, where in

951
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven I thought, well, maybe you know,

952
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: all these different things that we see at the end

953
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: of the game, it's an effort to manipulate the game clock.

954
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: So maybe if you just got rid of the clock

955
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: during the last stretch of the game, maybe that would

956
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: address a lot of these concerns. So that's how it started,

957
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: and then really kind of researching and kind of tinkering

958
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: with the idea looking more into um, you know, gathering

959
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: some data on NBA games at n c A games,

960
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: and and then really once I felt very confident in

961
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: the format that it was sound, that it was necessary,

962
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: then reaching out the people in the basketball world and

963
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: trying to get somebody to take a chance on it,

964
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: and finally a few years later, uh t BT did Okay.

965
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: So so for people who haven't seen the lam ending

966
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: and maybe no, okay, under four minutes to go right,

967
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: the team who's leading has to score how many points?

968
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: So again those you know, we can say, well, you're

969
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: gonna play most of the game with the clock, and

970
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna play the last part of the game without

971
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: a clock. That begs two questions, Well, okay, so when

972
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: do you shut off the clock on what do you

973
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: play to the lead? The settings would actually vary based

974
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: on the league or the event. It would kind of

975
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: depend on what their style of play is. But for TVT,

976
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: what we are going with here in twenty nineteen is

977
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: that once you get past that four minute mark of

978
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, the next stoppage, we're gonna go ahead

979
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: and shut off the clock. Then we're gonna set a

980
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: target score, and that target score is equal to the

981
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: leading team score plus eight. So, for example, let's say

982
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: that the score is UH sixty five to sixty when

983
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: you get to that first stoppage under four minutes, Okay,

984
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna get rid of the clock. It's still sixty

985
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: five to sixty, but now we're gonna play. First team

986
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: to seventy three wins the game. And the idea is,

987
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: if you've got the lead, you can't just stall and

988
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: play passively. You have to keep playing assertive lead to

989
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: try to get that target score. If you're behind, you

990
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: don't have to UH foul and hand away three points

991
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: when you're on defense. You don't have to rush and

992
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 1: force up ugly shots when you're on offense. That whole

993
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: combination of factors makes late comebacks more likely, makes the

994
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: outcome of games less predictable, and every game is going

995
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: to end with the swish of the nets. You're gonna

996
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: have more memorable game ending moments. So that whole that's

997
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: how it is supposed to work on paper, and so

998
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: it's been it's been a thrill for me to see

999
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: now that it's gone from paper to the court here

1000
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 1: in TBT, to see that it is meeting all those

1001
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: primary aims and even a handful of secondary aims that

1002
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: so it's looking good, not just in theory, but now

1003
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: in practice. And so now I'm I'm looking at ways

1004
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: to make the format even better going forward. So I'm

1005
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: excited about the positive momentum it has. Okay, so what

1006
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: are the couple of the It's interesting because guys develop

1007
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: um strategy with it, right, and so the first strategy

1008
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: is whoever is leading calls the time out under four right,

1009
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: so that they can as soon as as soon as

1010
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: they get the basketball, so that they can set the

1011
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: the target score correct. Right. That's been a that's been

1012
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: a common strategy as Yeah, if you've gotta lead, once

1013
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: you get that first opportunity to call time out and

1014
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: initiate that untime portion of the game, go ahead and

1015
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: do it. Honestly, I don't have any I don't have

1016
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: any problem with that. I don't think that's um, I

1017
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: don't think that's uh really a drawback to the format necessarily. No,

1018
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: But you could, and I've I've thought about this, right,

1019
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: you could if you go down, you get a bucket,

1020
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: you kind of extend, you give yourself a little bit

1021
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: bigger buffer, and then right like a part of it creates. Okay,

1022
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: it's only eight points, only you know, potentially three buckets,

1023
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, maybe max four um or you can get

1024
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: yourself a little bit bigger cushion if they expect you

1025
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: to call a time out, kind of like the it's

1026
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: the the fake spike play member, the famous Damn Marino

1027
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: fake spike play, fake the spike And could you dribble

1028
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: up like you're gonna call a time out and then

1029
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: quickly score a layup and then and then uh and

1030
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: and then you create a stoppage and now you have

1031
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: a bigger cushion so that you protect yourself against comeback.

1032
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: So you could. Now, we haven't seen the team try that,

1033
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: and so far, even though you know the comment stary

1034
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: I used to call time out, still it seems like

1035
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: the defenses are still on their toes there, even if

1036
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: they're expecting their opponents to call time out, they're still ready,

1037
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: uh to prevent any kind of uh you know, kind

1038
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: of a fake spike play. But that would be interesting

1039
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: if the team tried that. I haven't seen that yet,

1040
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: um and and and uh so to go along with that,

1041
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: I really give a lot of credit to John Mugar

1042
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: and the folks at TBT because they want to take

1043
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: a very patient approach with the format because I've I've

1044
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: actually um proposed kind of a handful of different modifications

1045
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: to it, and they said, well, they've they've told me, hey,

1046
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, let's let it play out. Let's let teams

1047
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: kind of push the limits of the format and see

1048
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: if we have uh something to address. You. They don't

1049
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: want to overregulate it too quickly, but you know, if

1050
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: if something does arise that would create a concern, we

1051
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: do have you know, kind of a plan B in

1052
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: place for for different things. So that that's what's exciting

1053
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: to me is that, um, you know, I'm actually looking

1054
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: at it with more of kind of a critic, a lie,

1055
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: and more scrutiny than even TBT is. So that tells

1056
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: me that, uh, you know, it's working well because they're

1057
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: the ones ultimately that have something to gain or lose

1058
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: by how well this format works. Biggest comeback in with

1059
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: this format so far. So one thing that I thought

1060
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: was just a thrill was in just I'm trying to

1061
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: think back to seen. So this is either that it

1062
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: was either the fifth or sixth game ever that emimending

1063
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: had been put in place, and there was a Rutgers

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00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: alumni team facing another team called Silver Springs Willows Runners,

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00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: I'll just call them silver Springs, but anyway, Uh, Silver

1066
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: Springs goes into the um the elim ending up by

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00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: thirteen points and so then we're shutting off the clock instantly.

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00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: The Rutgers alumni team goes on a fourteen nothing run

1069
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: to take the lead, and then it goes back and

1070
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: forth until we get this sudden death situation essentially. Uh,

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00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: and Silver Springs did end up winning that game. So

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00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: even though Rutger just came back, you know, October become

1073
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: a thirteen point definite that they didn't win. There but

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00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: one game from last year, and and this is just

1075
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: one of several examples. Uh, there was a game again

1076
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: just unbelievable between UM primetime players and Always a Brave,

1077
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: Always a Brave was a Bradley Element. So so the

1078
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: Bradley team goes in to the Element and they're up

1079
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: fifty nine fifty playing the sixty six because last year

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00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: we use a plus seven model. Gets the game proceeds

1081
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: to wear later on it's sixty four fifty seven again

1082
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: just playing the sixty six. So prime time players they

1083
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: really have their backs up against the wall. They go

1084
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: on an eleven nothing run and win the game on

1085
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: a three pointer. And again, it was just the fact

1086
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: that as long as they can continue to get defensive stops,

1087
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: then you're still in the game. So I don't necessarily

1088
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: think it's gonna lead to this avalanche of additional comebacks,

1089
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: but I do think it is going to lead to

1090
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: kind of a healthy uptick, because again, as long as

1091
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: you can get stops and scores, you're truly still in

1092
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: the game. And I think one thing that's cool is

1093
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: whether there's a comeback or not, Uh, the end of

1094
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: the game a little bit more satisfying, just because we're

1095
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: seeing a more natural style of play late in the game. Yeah,

1096
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: the only thing. And like, look, I would just I

1097
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't like guys dribbling out the clock,

1098
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: but the shock clock does have a tendency to even

1099
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: that thing out, especially in the NBA shock clock. I

1100
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: guess you know, when you learn basketball, you learned time,

1101
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: score and possession by understanding your time and score, and

1102
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: there is a certain math to it. I don't mind

1103
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: the lam ending, I just you know, I I do

1104
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: think it it does take away from the purity of

1105
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: how the sport has evolved and creative doesn't mean that

1106
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: there's not room for it. That's just kind of my

1107
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: It's always been my general takeaway. I'm excited to coach it,

1108
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: to see how it feels and and and the strategy

1109
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: to it, and to learn about it myself. Well, And

1110
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: trust you, you don't want to apologize at all for

1111
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: offering any kind of scrutiny, because again, it took me

1112
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: a while to sell myself on the idea, and it

1113
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: actually it reached a point after a while where I thought,

1114
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: you know what, this modified and of basketball elim ending

1115
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: this looks more like real basketball than what we see

1116
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: under the regular format. And there are games, you know,

1117
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: games I watch all the time that kind of reaffirmed

1118
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: my thought, and one of them would be Game six

1119
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: of the NBA Finals this year. We have this thrilling

1120
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: game coming down to the wire. At the time, it

1121
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 1: was a one point game, and then you think about

1122
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,479
Speaker 1: the final sequence of this, of this championship clinching game

1123
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: where you get a Golden State calling a time out

1124
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: because they're so desperate to stop the clock, they call

1125
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: a time out that they didn't even have so then

1126
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: you have to administer a technical free throw. Then Toronto

1127
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: gets to endbound the ball, and then you get the

1128
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: quick foul from Golden State. Well Mountain time expires, so

1129
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: then the officials have to go to the monitor to

1130
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: put time back on the clock, and you administer those

1131
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: free throws and you end up with this kind of

1132
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: a meaningless shot and it's like this is this is

1133
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: kind of a silly way to end UH championship. And

1134
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: to think, man, this could have come down to kind

1135
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden death situation. Uh you know, next bucket wins.

1136
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: I think that that would have that would have been

1137
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: a much better and to use your word, I think

1138
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: it would ben ake purer way to end the game

1139
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: than kind of the mess that we saw at the

1140
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: end of game six. I kind of I kind of

1141
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you. So well, it's a

1142
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating thing to watch. Give me one modification

1143
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: as you talked about that you potentially would love to see,

1144
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: whether in this tournament or an others. So one, um,

1145
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: the one example of a situation where um, you know,

1146
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: so we've had some situations to come down what I

1147
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: call a sudden death situation where both teams are anywhere

1148
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: within three points of that target score. Well, one very

1149
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: specific scenario would be where the offense is exactly three

1150
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: points away and then the defense is one or two

1151
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: points away from the target score. Uh. Now, in that case,

1152
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: what we've seen in some cases, not every case, but

1153
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: in some cases, the the defense will foul to prevent

1154
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: a game winning three pointer. In that case, well, you know, again,

1155
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: I would still say that that's a little bit more

1156
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: forgivable than the repeated fouling we see under the regular format.

1157
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: It's not a repeatable strategy. You would occur in much

1158
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: fewer games. It's still kind of if once you get

1159
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: past the free throws, it sets up a thrilling finish,

1160
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: which we don't always see on the regular format. But

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01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: I would still like to see that particular situation, that

1162
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: scenario play out more fluidly. And so what I would

1163
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: do in a situation like that where you're down to

1164
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: that sudden dust scenario, I would essentially kind of outlaw

1165
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: fouls on the floor. Now, what you know, the you know,

1166
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: technically fous on the floor against the rules anyway, any

1167
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: any foul is. But what I would say is, in

1168
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: that particular case, if you commit a foul on the

1169
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: floor in that situation to prevent a game winning three pointer,

1170
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: then do something like you get one shot in the ball,

1171
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: something like that takeaway to commit to foul that particular situation,

1172
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: just so we can see that Sunda situation play out

1173
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: more fluidly. But again, that's getting into the weeds a

1174
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: little bit there. That's one of those things where I

1175
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: bring it to TVT and and they're like, well, you know,

1176
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: don't get Let's not get too far ahead of this

1177
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: thing here. Let's not overregulate until we even know whether

1178
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: we have a problem or not. But that's that's one

1179
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: way I could see in future versions of the elam

1180
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: ending having that minor modification. M hm, lastinating stuff. Well, Nick,

1181
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: I can't wait to coach in the tournament. Can be

1182
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: truly a thrill for me. And I'll be back on

1183
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: and tell you what I think after having experienced it.

1184
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: That's great, Thanks so much, good luck, Thank you, Nick,

1185
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: Thank you. All Right, that's it for the All Ball Podcast.

1186
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,560
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1187
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1188
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01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,560
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01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,760
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