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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson not going to take the NFL to court.

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Speaker 1: The NFL not gonna have to listen to these headlines

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Speaker 1: It's the biggest news story of the day and we're

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Speaker 1: And this is a story that Deshaun Watson desperately wanted

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Speaker 1: once news broke of the final punishment. I've always stood

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Speaker 1: that Mark could go first, because I feel like we

430
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Speaker 1: all interpreted this exercise differently and I wanted to hear Mark.

431
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: But I'm excited um to throw out my first rebound

432
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: candidates because he's a man that shouldn't even be needing

433
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: to rebound, Like there s enough on this show lately.

434
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: This is a man who in his first season as

435
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: starter in the NFL won the m v P Award.

436
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: In the second year of his starting in the NFL

437
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl MVP Award. Yet the person to

438
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: my left, Mark Sessler, is over here saying that some

439
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: other guy in his own division is the Michael Jordan's

440
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: of the NA done it Oh in the few days

441
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: in a row at this in his third season, Oh

442
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: he lost to in the Super Bowl. Oh sorry, in

443
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: his fourth season, Oh my gosh, he was outside of

444
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: the top five quarterbacks in the QB Index for a

445
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: little while, like, oh my gosh, this guy is falling.

446
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: Everything went so bad that he put up a forty

447
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: burger on the Steelers in the playoffs and then did

448
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: it again the next week on the top rank Bills

449
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: defense to get to the a f C Championship. That man,

450
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: of course, is Patrick Mahomes and all of the doom

451
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: and gloom about Tyreek Hill. And I like the Michael

452
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: Jordan by the way, I like how you you you

453
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: stopped short of getting to the next week's playoff game

454
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: build up here. I think that was a rough, rough

455
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: and right, and and that is what he's rebounding from,

456
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: because I'm not pretending like last season was Patrick Mahomes

457
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: at his best. It was easily his worst season as

458
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: a pro. And by that, I mean he was like

459
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: the seventh race best you know quarterback in the regular

460
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: season and definitely had some down moments. But I think

461
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget what he was before that. And

462
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: to me and West and I got an argument about this,

463
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: calling him the Michael Jordan, that he was the closest

464
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: I've remembered. We're having the same arguments we've had on

465
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: this show back in the day. He is that guy.

466
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: And I think there's this we're tabling Jordan comments as well.

467
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: He's that guy because you kind of put him now

468
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: in a mix with the other guys, you know, Josh

469
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: Allen and and Joe Burrow and Herbert and and that's

470
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: fine to me. He's unique, he's special, and there were

471
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: reasons that they struggled last year, and there's reasons now

472
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: with Tyreek Killgden to think like it's not gonna work.

473
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: I don't believe that if I'm picking one guy to

474
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: go win the m v P this year and to

475
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: show that he is different than all these other young

476
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and is playing by behind an offensive line that's

477
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: gonna give him a good running game and protect him.

478
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: And he's gonna do the thing that Tom Brady does

479
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers does, and he's gonna make some receivers

480
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: that aren't as highly touted look better because that's the

481
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: kind of dude he is. He's going all the way

482
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: with his reback. Well, I can think of another quarterback that,

483
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: for most of his career played with what would consider

484
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: a lesser cast of talented wide receivers around him Tom

485
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: Brady as opposed to someone like Peyton Manning. I think

486
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: last year. Part of it is almost any football fan

487
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: would agree with your assessment of Patrick Mahomes that he

488
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: is extremely special and unlike any other quarterback we've seen

489
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: out on a limb on this one. So so when

490
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: he struggled, though, when the team was struggled right. I

491
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: think it was the George didn't think that. I was

492
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: just like, wait a second, Patrick Mahomes is right here.

493
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: I eat the responsive media. It was a little precious

494
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 1: last year when people were tissed, tissed for wondering what

495
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: was going on with the Chiefs because they did look different.

496
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: They were there were there were there's a slump going on.

497
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't just Patrick Mahomes. Why it's a rebound right?

498
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: But now I think now actually a lot of people

499
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: have come around. I don't hear they're doomed because they

500
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: don't have Tybreek kill at this point. Because the off

501
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: season is forty five thou years long. Most people now

502
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: are like, oh Andy Reid, he's so creative him to

503
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: Mahomes configure themselves out of any issue. But that ten

504
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: and a half over under though half more than that,

505
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have more than the Chargers. That's the public though,

506
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: I know. But like the what was the highest of

507
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: under of any team this season? Uh? Good question. I

508
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: think and a half off. They're not far off. I think.

509
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: I think it's just I think that just makes it

510
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Speaker 1: a spicier play for betters. You listen. I love Patrick

511
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: Mahomes I love watching him play, but but it was

512
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: eye opening what happened in that playoff game and and

513
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: the slumps in that season on offense. The Kansas City

514
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: had I opening to me. And I saw a lot

515
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: of incredible mahomes as well, including the divisional playoff game,

516
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: including the game I was at. I took my son

517
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: to see the Chargers and Thursday Night foot on December

518
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: where he walked them off with Travis Kelsey overtime touchdown.

519
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: He's still special, He's still in the conversation as the best,

520
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: if if not one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

521
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: But I am in a little bit of a hold

522
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: just because one, you know, skated a little bit. I

523
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: thought after that collapse on offense in the NFC title game,

524
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, and he's pretty and now you take a

525
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: few of those out of the equation. Doesn't mean it's

526
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: doom and gloom. But I wonder if the league maybe

527
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: he has caught up a little bit to this read's game,

528
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: and I know he's always evolving, and that's I think

529
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 1: they did last year. And now is the rebound? Now

530
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: is the respect. I'm a little in a I'm in

531
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: a holding pattern like the I guess you're saying he's

532
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna return if it's a rebound, He's like, m v P.

533
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: That's sort of why I wanted because I really believe this,

534
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: and um, I really believe in the Chiefs, and I

535
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: believe in Mahomes. Yeah, to get to that level to

536
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: be like, not that it's not like we uh forgot

537
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: about him or anything, but that he stands apart all right. UM.

538
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: I want to bring up someone that we were in

539
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: close quarters with recently, Mark Sessler this spring in fact,

540
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: and we were actually where in a way we were

541
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: his teacher. We stood up in front of this man

542
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: and others and explained what it takes to be successful

543
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: as a podcaster. And it was the NFL Broadcast boot camp.

544
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: And this individual sat there and didn't make a lot

545
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: of eye contact or take many notes, and sometimes appeared

546
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: more interested in the phone than what we have to say,

547
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: maybe a little suspicious of you and I as a

548
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: as an entity. I was gone, So I and you

549
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: could say, ze, sir, like what like what are you

550
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: doing here? Like why are you taking shots at this

551
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: individual for not paying attention during our presentation? I'm not

552
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: because he's not focused on a broadcasting career. This man

553
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: not yet, not yet, This man, Darren Waller is focused

554
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: on kicking ass for the Las Vegas Raiders this fall

555
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: and into winter. I think he is in a great

556
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: spot after what was a sneaky disappointing year for I

557
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: think a guy that has is as physically talented as

558
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: any tight end in football, and his season last year

559
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: was weird, very weird. He had nineteen targets in week

560
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: one ten for one oh five in a touch He

561
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: had one touchdown the rest of the season and was

562
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: on about a nine yard pace yardagewise, which is still good.

563
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: But for those of us that had, you know, kind

564
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: of put him into the superstar club the previous summer,

565
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: for those of us that thought this guy had Hall

566
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: of Fame level talent, it was a step back. So

567
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: now you have Darren Waller humbled a little bit, went

568
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: through the broadcast boot camp, said that's not for me.

569
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: Not now. Anyway, he has the best wide receiver in

570
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: the world arguably now lining up commanding attention, and I

571
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: think Darren Waller with Derek Carr is going to eat

572
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: I think he's going to You're gonna see some regression

573
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: touchdown regression, double digit touchdowns, a hundred catches, yes, will

574
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: his target share be down perhaps, but also all the

575
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: double teams now being commanded by a true number one receiver,

576
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: Darren Waller, huge rebound Caundidate, and our fantasy extravaganzas next week,

577
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: by the way, and we have an incredible lineup of guests.

578
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the last time Waller comes up. Uh.

579
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: And there is some connective tissue Greggy in this segment

580
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: and fantasy talk. Waller is a huge guy in terms

581
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: of big time all pro production. This would you be

582
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: all right? I mean, I'm fine with the idea that

583
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: he's rebounding, um, but the rebounding, rebounding, rebounding, I've always

584
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: said it for some reason. I think I was taught that.

585
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I think I was talking about the way. But um,

586
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't need I don't need the numbers

587
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: to be Titanic for me to think that he's stormed

588
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: back in a certain way and helps the Raiders in

589
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: a different situation than he did in the pastor it

590
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: was like him and Hunter Renfrew on islands. There was

591
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: no one else, right, I think if you think I

592
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: think it's a great pick because of thee because of

593
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. Partly, I didn't even mention Josh m daniels.

594
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for being like there was. He was absent,

595
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: by the way, for about two and a half weeks

596
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: in camp, training camp, and no one was totally sure why.

597
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: Eventually they said it was a hamstring injury. Well he

598
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: was home. Um, you know there's a thing where you

599
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: you broadcast the game and you sit there with a

600
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: microphone practicing announcing reflection. And McDaniel smiled when they sort

601
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: of asked these working. So it might have been a

602
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: quiet hold in he is in a contract here, but

603
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: they said it wasn't holding. They said it was contract here.

604
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: But if you think of what Josh McDaniels has done,

605
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: and I think what Derek Carr can do well getting

606
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: guys open over the middle of the field, delivering the

607
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: ball over the middle of the field. And I'll bring

608
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: up another name who um was the yeah, the subject

609
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: of a very uncomfortable no no, no, not that a

610
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: subject who he reminds me of a little bit. And

611
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: it was and it was a subject of another dark

612
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: day in our work history, and that's Aaron Hernandez as

613
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: a player. It's just the truth that was Daniels and

614
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: that was the way that they can use two tight ends.

615
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: And they have a good blocker in Fabian Morrow, and

616
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: the way that Waller moves he is very similar to me,

617
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: and they and McDaniels knew how to get the most

618
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: out of that type of play. We're just one O. J.

619
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: Simpsons reference away from bad NFL guy. We're at the

620
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: point like it happened, but we can speak about, you know,

621
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: what he was as a player. I did this a

622
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: little differently, which I now feel embarrassed because every time

623
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: we do a segment I don't always understand what's happening.

624
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: But also we did not sit down and you know,

625
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: totally hammered out that I went rogue, but I just

626
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: did I did it from the perspective of the player, right,

627
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: So it's just a little narrative from from the player

628
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: and here we go. Sure, yeah, speaking of just going

629
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: to be concerned, uh with what's the best for I

630
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: guess there's a long narrows like most segments are like

631
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: funnel into a similar settler mode and I'm looking forward

632
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: to it. Well, it's it's also not too long, so

633
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: it won't. It won't tax you, either of you too heavily.

634
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: This is just h him talking to us. I had

635
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: no idea what this league would look like. I feel

636
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: like everyone was telling me you're a home run. You've

637
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: got this. It's gonna be easy for you, Sunshine. You're

638
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: a star baby. But it didn't feel like one last season,

639
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: not at all. My golden mane flows in the southern wind.

640
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: But I found a strand of gray in there after

641
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: last season, after seeing my coach kick a kicker, after

642
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Speaker 1: seeing my coach with a co ed nestled in his

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Speaker 1: lap while the rest of us flew home from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: We've got a new coach now, and I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: him on the phone for you for a second to

646
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Speaker 1: let him tell you something here. He is then in parentheses,

647
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Speaker 1: like like phone fumbling sounds Hello, I just want to

648
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Speaker 1: tell everyone something here. I'm no longer piste off Angelo.

649
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: You've got Trevor Lawrence and Doug Peterson both as rebound candidates.

650
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: I get that he was a rookie, and it's like

651
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Speaker 1: it's a tough freakie season, but I think he was

652
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: put into dark, dark circumstances had he gone to New

653
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: England or somewhere else, his season would have looked real different.

654
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Speaker 1: And so I think he's different than just the normal

655
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Speaker 1: year one year too rookie quarterback. I think this is

656
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Speaker 1: the perhaps even safer than Patrick Mahomes. UM. Not not

657
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Speaker 1: a takedown of your pick. I mean, I want to

658
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Speaker 1: be I had it on my list to um, but

659
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: it's just too obvious unless everyone No, I don't mean

660
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Speaker 1: like that, unless yes, everyone, look, I have it right here.

661
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: I had Trevor all lined up as well. Unless everyone

662
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: is wrong, right, like the pre draft process, all that

663
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Speaker 1: game tape, all the people like the DJ's of the

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Speaker 1: world and Bucky brooks Is of the world, you know

665
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: they can't all be wrong about the guy that they

666
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: were this sure about, right, and then you saw, you

667
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: saw things, even amidst all the chaos last year, you

668
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: did see some of the light coming through at times.

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Speaker 1: And I just think it makes so much sense for

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Speaker 1: him in a functional UH surroundings with better supporting casts

671
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Speaker 1: to take a jump, maybe not to Patrick mahomes second

672
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: year in the league jump, but where it's like, yeah,

673
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: we have our guy. I feel very confident about I do.

674
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Speaker 1: But I would also say I mean, I there were

675
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: little sparkles last season. I actually this is a small

676
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Speaker 1: sample size, but his play against the preseason game was

677
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: optimistic too. But until you see it with quarterbacks and generals,

678
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Speaker 1: what we know, we're not talking about anybody well against

679
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: the opponent that he faced. But until you see it,

680
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: it's like, I think people are expecting him to be

681
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Speaker 1: a star and we just don't know that yet. I

682
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: think he's an environment where that's much more post Yeah,

683
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: he he's reportedly looked really good at practice to UM

684
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: for the most part, like improved a different player. Uh,

685
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Speaker 1: the question I just would have And sometimes his accuracy

686
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: goes up and down. I think that's the one concern,

687
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: but you know, you can you can still be great

688
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: if you're not the most accurate guy. I guess my

689
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: question would be to Mark, just like, how did you

690
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: envision this segment as being different than the offseason inner

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Speaker 1: monologue segment which we did one month ago. I didn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily view it is different. I mean I thought we were.

693
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Speaker 1: I'm making way. I wish I wish I had done

694
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Speaker 1: it that way. I also like, uh, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you went director's cut up like seven more of these,

696
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Speaker 1: so like that's good. All right, Maybe I gotta pivot here,

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Speaker 1: You don't, you don't? All right, before we continue with

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Speaker 1: a rebound talk, let's take a quick break. All right,

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Speaker 1: We're back to another one. Okay, UM, I will because

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Speaker 1: it's about the same. Um. I am a man who

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Speaker 1: this podcast has made famous even more famous. I'm a

702
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: man who rise is and falls based on the talent

703
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: that's around me. I'm a man who at one point

704
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Speaker 1: was leading the greatest show on turf since the greatest

705
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: show on turf, the Bengals. So that dastardly, dastard injury

706
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Speaker 1: came up back then and knocked out my potential m

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Speaker 1: v P Sea and I've basically become a punchline, uh since.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm just landed in a perfect

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Speaker 1: system for my skills, and that's a Pete car Michael

710
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Speaker 1: slash Sean Payton system where you get the ball out

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Speaker 1: of your hands quickly. And oh, by the way, some

712
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Speaker 1: nice people around me, Alvin Kamara, Jarvis Landry, Michael Thomas,

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Speaker 1: Chris Alive, Marcus calloway. That's pretty good. Do I want

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Speaker 1: a quarterback like Jamis Winston who's coming off an injury

715
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Speaker 1: and her and it's gonna be up and down and

716
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Speaker 1: who takes a while to make decisions? Or do I

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Speaker 1: want a little uh peace shooter in the backfield the

718
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Speaker 1: point guard like myself. It's just boom boom boo. Uh

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Speaker 1: that's what you want. Maybe I'm not starting week one,

720
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Speaker 1: but at some point that daltonnissance is coming to New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna come in and he's gonna have a moment.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming in. The most fascinating aspect to this is

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Speaker 1: that you're essentially um demistifying Jamis Winston, who is another

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Speaker 1: one of your famis in the process of this. He's

725
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: not gonna start seventeen games, first of all, James, why

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Speaker 1: won't he start fourteen through? Whether he's already missed time

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Speaker 1: in in uh camp, he's coming off a torn a

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Speaker 1: c l before. That's absolutely fair. Um, how many games

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Speaker 1: do you think Dalton is starting? He's an I have

730
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Speaker 1: no idea he's about He's an up and down player.

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Speaker 1: I truly believe this that Andy Dalton will play a

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Speaker 1: maybe it'll be a supporting role or a guest starring role,

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Speaker 1: but he will play a guest starring role of major significance.

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Speaker 1: And I really do believe, and I know I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of basing this on practice report, where it's like man

736
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Speaker 1: that offense. It just makes sense to me that he

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Speaker 1: fits there. And then I think, if he gets a chance,

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Speaker 1: I think he could succeed and win a lot of

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Speaker 1: ball games and have a little moment here. I've always

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Speaker 1: been on this podcast historically the biggest Dalton supporter, but

741
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Speaker 1: even I had kind of moved on, uh in the

742
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: last year or so where it just became clear to

743
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Speaker 1: me that he was what he was. He had peaked

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00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: as a quarterback and was very you know, backup, a

745
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: good backup, but very much a backup. I like this

746
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Speaker 1: idea that he has another moment. He's thirty four. Wouldn't

747
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: it be crazy if after all that time he finally

748
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Speaker 1: got I can just sort of imagine it that he

749
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Speaker 1: gets his first playoff win, not as a Bengal, but

750
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Speaker 1: like on the road, he's supported by the number three

751
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: defense and a lot. Can I just say to mean

752
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: that he kind of fits to me, Jamis Winston is

753
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: like putting on a weird suit that might not totally

754
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: fit him, and he did no key job of it

755
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: last year, but it was like awkward. Can I just

756
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: make one counterpoint here that please, there wasn't a team

757
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: that he was on where he came in um and

758
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: it had to become the starter on an offense that

759
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: was essentially loaded, and it was the Dallas Cowboys. He

760
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: started nine games, played in eleven through fourteen touchdowns over

761
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Speaker 1: UM nine plus appearances and eight interceptions. I mean that's

762
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: a strong point that, yeah, that's that Cowboys team stunk, right,

763
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: But no, I mean it was Mike McCarthy stunk. It's

764
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: a similar offenan the team Dak Prescott was like was

765
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: on on pace to like break yardage collapsing, but Cowboys

766
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: were taking on serious water when Dad got hurt. I'm

767
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: just saying it was the defense. The defense was a disaster.

768
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Speaker 1: Thefense it's not a terrible place for a quarterback to produce.

769
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: Like have you guys ever seen the Twitter clips of

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00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: like Dalton dunking. I mean, if someone's going to get

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Speaker 1: a rebound abound, that's Dalton, Like he's an athlete, put

772
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Speaker 1: him on the I also think also he he looked

773
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: extremely nerdy in the past, and his haircut over the

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00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: last calendar year has him looking um. I would say,

775
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: like about is attractive. You just want to maximize your

776
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: own looks. He looks about his track as hipopibly. It's

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00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: partly what happened the last two seasons with uh the Saints,

778
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: where they've had like three different starters, that I just

779
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: expect that it will be a combo platform and that

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00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be much difference, and that there's a

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00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: legitimate chance Andy Dalton has the better quarterback for them.

782
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: That Dalton relief effort, which included eleven starts, it went

783
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: six and five with him, and he threw fourteen touchdowns

784
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: against eight interceptions. He had pedestrian I mean his he

785
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: was up in multiple performances. He was good. All I'm

786
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: saying is sandwiched around a COVID nineteen list visit. All

787
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying is we're talking about an explosion in the

788
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: same so offense with Andy Dalton. I don't don't I

789
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: think he's gonna he could do the same thing. Of

790
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: the feelings about the Saints. There's a little too much

791
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: of gassing up of the Saints right now. Like I

792
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: think my team's slogan of the Saints was They're gonna

793
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: be awesome as long as four things go right. And

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00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: if Winston doesn't get it done and you need Dalton

795
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: to be the guy, you're already And by the way,

796
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: he was four and five as a starter. He participated

797
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: in two other games in a relief effort, where like

798
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: they stand by statistically that he was very good for

799
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: a guy coming off the bench. He had multiple games overrating.

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Speaker 1: You're calling him a backup, though, I like, I like

801
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: to take the step back and just sort of see

802
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: like the whole arc of a career, and I just

803
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: can see this as being like his Dano mont. You know,

804
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: this is the daal Tennisan. Well, he's touchdowns twice. This

805
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: is like the point where everyone stopped making fun of

806
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: him and everyone can just kind of appreciate good for him,

807
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: Like it's not listening to anyone else. He's just barreling

808
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: through with this absurdity. This is what Gregg's thinking of

809
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: with Andy Dawnton. Last time he played meaningful snaps Week

810
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: fifteen Division game against the Eagles, a thirty seven seventeen

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Speaker 1: Cowboys win, twenty two and thirty three touchdowns, a pick one,

812
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: thirty four point seven passer rating, averaging twelve and a

813
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Speaker 1: half yards in attempt. Is that still in him? Why

814
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: not is it in him? Fourteen games in a row.

815
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Speaker 1: I guess he's gonna have one game like that. But

816
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: we're now rebound. How about last year that's stirring comeback

817
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: against Seattle. Oh you missed that one? It was it

818
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: was exciting three last year when he started six games

819
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Speaker 1: through eight tons, downs and nine picks. I'll have one more. Um,

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Speaker 1: I have a philosophical disconnect as host of the show

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Speaker 1: with um competing agencies for what the segments about. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick to the initial plan, which is I'm

823
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Speaker 1: going to describe this player. I think that's good for it. UM.

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Speaker 1: This is I didn't intentionally like go my own way.

825
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: I just didn't know what we were doing. Well, that

826
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Speaker 1: could be I could have saw it, could have sought

827
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Speaker 1: out more guidance on that front. That's that's another way

828
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Speaker 1: to you know, to look at that. That could be debated.

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Speaker 1: But we love your your spirit, Mark. I like this

830
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: guy's spirit because we we've spoken with him multiple times. UM.

831
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Speaker 1: And if you're looking for a guy who's gonna rebound,

832
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: case closed, look no further than the guy that gets

833
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: to line up opposite the Super Bowl m v P.

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Speaker 1: Who's catching passes from a suddenly on the bubble Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer for the defending champions. Yes, I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you Allan Robinson, I'm gonna pound the table again. I

837
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: don't know if Alan Robinson was trying last year with

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00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: the Bears. I'm not going to challenge that. I wasn't close.

839
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Speaker 1: I would. I didn't have boots on the ground at

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00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: Bears headquarters to tell you that he was, you know,

841
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: just going through the motions in his final year. But

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00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: there were people that did have boots on the ground

843
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: that got the vibe that Allen Robinson was sick of it.

844
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: He was sick of being a Bear and what that meant.

845
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: And can you really blame them, especially when they made

846
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: that terrible decision to give Naggie one more year. So

847
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: now fresh start with arguably the best offensive mine in football. Um,

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00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: if Allen Robson stays healthy, this is going to be

849
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: one of those seasons. I'm not I'm not saying it's

850
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: gonna be Randy Moss's first year with a Patriots, but

851
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna be in that kind of realm of the

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00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: guy that's a stud. Moss is a Hall of Famer,

853
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: different category but a really super talented all pro level

854
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: player who is completely revitalized on a good team and

855
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: a well run organization, playing with other great players. And

856
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: it would it stunned me if Allen robs ended up

857
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: with a better final statistical line in two than even

858
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. It wouldn't because Cup. I think that's no

859
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: disrespected Cup, But very rarely does a player put up

860
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: a historically great season and then do it again. Cup

861
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: is probably gonna come ound closer to what he was

862
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: before UM and then Robinson is going to pick up

863
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: some of that. I think he's going to be a

864
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: monster rebounding from a brutal final year in Chico. I

865
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: think you want to be right about these, and so

866
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: I would say initially I would say that that was

867
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: safe because I had him, say I had him too

868
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: under yards last year, right, and so he's clearly and

869
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: also that. But you're to say that he's gonna surpass

870
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. That took it to a new level, and

871
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a up there on a ledge. And

872
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: I like that he's gonna see then more single coverage

873
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: this year than he ever has in his life. Right

874
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: with an actual quarterback who's gonna you know how many times,

875
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: Like he's just been out there by himself for half

876
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: the game. Uh, in his career. You know who I

877
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: think is the only receiver and Darnell Mooney came on strong,

878
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: but they were really great at the same time. Like

879
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: the only receiver he ever had with in Jacksonville that

880
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: would get a thousand with him was Alan Hearns. Like

881
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: he's always been the guy and now he's in this

882
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: scheme with Cooper Cup It's that's it's a nice. Is

883
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: there a more nineties sports nickname than the round a

884
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: bound of rebound? It's pretty great. Let's ask let's ask

885
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: a millennial justin who is that? You know? Don't google? Don't? Yeah,

886
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean you don't need to. No, I was looking

887
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: for that sound um Dennis Rodman? Okay, I mean does

888
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: he strike you as a round man? Not really? But

889
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: he also known as that one makes more sense the

890
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: round mound of rebound rebound? Alright, one more mark alright.

891
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: So I mean why when we were discussing in the

892
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: studio here after the show yesterday, I did ask if

893
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: it we could go someone who's non player but in

894
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: the orbit of the NFL. Okay, yes, you said yes,

895
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: So I hope just don't you remember that. Um, here

896
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: we go. I mean to attempt to do a voice here,

897
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: which could be a disaster. Suddenly is where playing? I

898
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: want you to remember that. That's that was said. I'm

899
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: going to attempt to do a voice, which I'm not

900
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: good at so but I think it needs it needs this.

901
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: So here we go. I will get my ways soon enough.

902
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: My plan was foiled, but I will rebound to achieve

903
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: my goals. I am goal oriented ever since girlhood. A

904
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: woman can detect things no man can. I can feel

905
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: the earth's vibration, also the energy of a man, my

906
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: special man. I sense that he has worn down. I

907
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: see him staring out windows, walking alone beside the brook.

908
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: We had come up with a plan. What accident is this?

909
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would support him now. You will

910
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: understand when you say I would support him now, as

911
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: I am a powerfully entity worth over four hundred million

912
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: U S. Dollars. But he went his own way, so

913
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: I had to do what I did. Conk him out

914
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: with a tincture of high octane sleeping pills and tie

915
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: him up in the subterranean living room of our second guesthouse.

916
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: The team has no idea where he is. Don't fret.

917
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: He is absolutely fine and sticking to his diet. We

918
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: are a vegan family, but we are no longer a

919
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: football family of Giselle has anything to say. I am

920
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: Giselle bunching and I will get my way. I will rebound.

921
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: That's good. I didn't know if you could stick the

922
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: landing there, and then he did it. My favorite Giselle

923
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: quote will always be my husband can't throw the ball

924
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 1: and catch it too? Who was it who got West

925
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: welcome to the hammer? On that one was welcome. Um.

926
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: So the the theory here, the bucks don't know where

927
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: he is and they're just trying to They're trying to

928
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: pr that softly. And that's why I want to be

929
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: back in theory two weeks from now. And what I

930
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: love about this is, I'm guessing you wrote that. Giselle

931
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: wrote this before uh Thursday's Todd bolls S conference. It

932
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: was probably not watching that. Um. He did answer an

933
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: interesting question today on his return. When will Tom Brady return?

934
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: A fair question. He said, we'll see, we'll talk about

935
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: it next week. So at some point he said they'll

936
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: be back after the Titans. Uh. He said, we're gonna

937
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: play the Titans play a game sometime after Tennessee, no

938
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: definitive date for me. We'll keep in touch and then

939
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: we'll find out. It's just interesting, it's strange. I mean

940
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: he did say the whole thing was pre planned, but

941
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: they don't have a pre planned return. Just come from

942
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: the angle that they actually don't know where he is,

943
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: Like then there would a lot of stuff starts to make. Um.

944
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: Just remember I told you Tom Brady wasn't retiring, and

945
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you again, Tom Brady is not retiring.

946
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: Where he hasn't retired, I mean, thank you, Paul. He

947
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: will resurface and he will be on the field for

948
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: Week one. I believe was our it made the finals

949
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: of our tournament, Cowboys Bucks starting. I'm not that's going

950
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: that was that's going way out first round. Let me

951
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: use some um. I hope Tom Brady is back, and

952
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: I hope everything in the scenes for Tom. There's nothing

953
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: untoured or unfortunate going on in Mr Brady's life. But

954
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: we'll see a Week one. There is I even go

955
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: down this road, I guess, but there is that, like

956
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, it happened sometimes the guy who retires and

957
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: then comes to the training camp and it's like, yeah,

958
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: maybe not no, but it does happen. Tom Brady, though

959
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: inside he wasn't sure he was the same Tom Brady.

960
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: That was Greg agreeing with his own point. Um good,

961
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: I love a good Greg, you know, to use a

962
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: to use football parlance, Uh, Greg, what Mark does with

963
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: some of these segments. Sometimes it's like the defensive and

964
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: who freelances, and the coaching staff is like, man, it's

965
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of out for you know, his own thing a

966
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: little bit, but you know, sometimes it makes plays that

967
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: makes the team better and so we gotta live with it.

968
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: But we'd like, you know, played within the rules. It

969
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: wasn't freelancing, so right, I wasn't angling to freelance. I

970
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: just think it's a great like it can go both ways.

971
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes it turns into yeah, like like trust trust Lawrence Taylor.

972
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: You know, Donald's been known to freelance. I don't mind

973
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: those comparisons. But sometimes it turns into like a Jalen

974
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: Smith situation with the Cowboys last year, and and then

975
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: you have to make a change. Well, but it's as

976
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: long as you brought the heat. Ultimately, Giselle did It

977
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot more free times to the quarterback

978
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: in this case, but there are other times where you

979
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: leave the gap open. Well that's what you get and

980
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: there goes Jonathan Taylor. He's a top ten football in China.

981
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: You gotta you take, you take the good with the unexpected.

982
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: With Mark SESSI really needs to catch on more. Um

983
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: last things, since we're talking about Mark, and we talked

984
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: about that team in the first half of the show.

985
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: I had my doubts initially about your ability to disconnect.

986
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: But God, are they making it easy for fans to

987
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: not get back in. Yeah, I don't even feel tempted.

988
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it just kind of like maybe the true

989
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: test is, you know, if they're six and five and

990
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: then they reel off not you, But like, do they

991
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: are they going to recapture a lot of the disenfranchised fans?

992
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: You know? I would. I'm Greg, I know you're hearing

993
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: from them when you whenever you mentioned the Browns, But

994
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: I like have had a couple of Browns tweets here

995
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: and there, and I've been critical and I really think

996
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: that a lot of the most of the fans drew

997
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: that line in the sand a long time ago. And

998
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: they've either completely dug in on the narrative of why

999
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: they root for the team over the particulars of the team,

1000
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: and others just have gone away and I don't I

1001
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: don't know if they're coming back. Well those people come back,

1002
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: that's maybe the more the answer, if they because I mean,

1003
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: it is unfortunate. I I you know, understand where you're

1004
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: coming from and and respect that, but it's too bad.

1005
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 1: You've had this relationship with the team um as a fan,

1006
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: uh through all these years. Like it's like if there

1007
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: four and one with Jacobe Brissette and like the number

1008
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: three ranked defense in the league, the number one ranked

1009
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: rushing attack in the league, and Brissetts like just doing

1010
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: his thing where he holds the ball forever and they

1011
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: win each game seventeen Like that team Browns fans are

1012
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: going to love and it's just gonna be it's just

1013
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: gonna be strange for you either way. I think on Sunday,

1014
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: there is one other option, and this I tabled this,

1015
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: uh maybe last week, but now I'll bring it up

1016
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: since it feels like the right time. Mark God willing

1017
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: you're around a long time, you'll probably outlast the quarterback

1018
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: management ownership. Is it possible in the NFL you're seeing

1019
00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler is on a break and maybe things are different.

1020
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: You return to the Browns, but this is not the

1021
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: Browns that you want to be associated with at this

1022
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: time in your life. Is that a possibility. I think

1023
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: that's because then you're a break friends, you're disassociating everything

1024
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: from this to a new Brown's team. Yeah. But I

1025
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: also say this is a weird thing because I think

1026
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: it's like, well, once you're a fan of a team,

1027
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: you've got to stay with them forever. And that's what

1028
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: I thought I would do. It feels um strangely free

1029
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: and freeing to not have the Browns thing as part

1030
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: of my life. I don't know I thought I would be.

1031
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: But it's also defined the part of who you were,

1032
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: and it was a thing that you loved as much

1033
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: as anything in the world. That that's got to be

1034
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: tough to to lose that part. But what I'm saying

1035
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: actually is what surprised me is it's the opposite. It

1036
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: feels great to not was this thing going back to

1037
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: the middle school of my life, and it's like it's

1038
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: it's it's gone, And I kind of think you just

1039
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: start to recreate. I hope your journey, wherever it takes you,

1040
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: is you. You are in a good place, right, It's yeah,

1041
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: you are gonna, you are gonna you are going to

1042
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: outlast them all. Mark's gonna outlast everyone. It's not going

1043
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: to be until maybe the year twenty eighty one, where

1044
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: it says, here lies Sessy. When does Mark die? Yes,

1045
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: next show, here lies Sesy, fan of the Browns until

1046
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: until he wasn't all right. That's it for this week,

1047
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: Big week. Next week we're getting closer. In fact, today

1048
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: is I think we're damn three weeks away as of

1049
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: today from the kickoff um of Bill's Rams. So next

1050
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: week will be our This is unbelievable to even say this,

1051
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: but it is our thirty eight annual Fantasy Extravaganza next

1052
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: week with a whole slew of special guests from across

1053
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: the fantasy spectrum, both inside our building and out next Wednesday. UM,

1054
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: lots of fun stuff coming up. But that is always

1055
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows of the year, and also

1056
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: one as a fantasy competitor myself that I I feel

1057
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: like I glean a lot from and it makes me

1058
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: a better player. So I have reasons for enjoying that

1059
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: episode as well. Thirty eight. I mean it is crazy.

1060
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to remember when we did that. Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean we were different people then too. You took

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Speaker 1: you reach for Kozar. I remember, I mean it was

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Speaker 1: done on paper and pen back then. It was very

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Speaker 1: totally strange scenario. All right, let's ironically enough, this is

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Speaker 1: the second straight well it looks like lots of change alright,

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Speaker 1: Annual Fantasy Extravaganza next week, as well as two other

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Speaker 1: brand new shows and the Hard Knocks recap of episode

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Speaker 1: three with Connie Fox and myself. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: great a t N content coming your way. But until then,

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Speaker 1: enjoy your weekend. It's a little ugliest in the world.

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Speaker 1: Shut it out, hut in the light. Bye bye, bye bye,

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Speaker 1: case closed. Heed the call.