Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect
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Speaker 1: z do for Drink Champs, Drink Up Mother Mother, what
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Speaker 1: your boy in O R What up is d J
Speaker 1: e f N. This is Drink Chaps, Yappy our make
Speaker 1: some no ll Naughty by Nature. I stowed them for years.
Speaker 1: One dmc ump and walk Away. Yeah. I was very
Speaker 1: ambiguous on purpose because I remember having a conversation with
Speaker 1: my father when I was first decided I was gonna
Speaker 1: go for it with walk Away, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll accept a woman making mens clothes,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was like, well, if you got
Speaker 1: a chance that, don't do it. Yeah. So I just
Speaker 1: was like, let the product, le just make dope product,
Speaker 1: put it out there. Let that be the star and
Speaker 1: let people rocket like. We never had official ambassadors. It
Speaker 1: was just love at that time with hip hop, like
Speaker 1: hip hop was energy feeds energy, and we were all
Speaker 1: building and growing at that time. So it was just
Speaker 1: like I believe even you, you believe in me? Less Rock.
Speaker 1: I kind of know a blood sign and the crypt sign.
Speaker 1: I don't know a Luminati sign. What's some luminati? Bro? Bro, Bro, Honestly, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know this. What's crazy apparently so apparently like
Speaker 1: it's all this type of ship. But I never knew
Speaker 1: that we were indulged in, bro. This is what's crazy.
Speaker 1: The point if you look at our album covers and ship,
Speaker 1: if you look at our album curverls, they're always some
Speaker 1: mystic ship, always some crazy ship talking about both. I
Speaker 1: never yet, I never knew what this ship was that
Speaker 1: you was putting out No No, our first album, You
Speaker 1: Gotta Watch You. I became Grandmaster. My original name in
Speaker 1: hip hop was casting off at d j MC, casting
Speaker 1: over Flying. Now one night I'm playing in my spot
Speaker 1: the Blue Lagoon and the Bronx website Avenue Honey for
Speaker 1: I'm cutting up a record I think it was I
Speaker 1: can't stop and I'm cutting it back and forth because
Speaker 1: he get that doo do cat to do that doom
Speaker 1: cayin that foot that man, man man, I just kept
Speaker 1: catching it. My man. I was like, Yo, faster, saster, faster, faster.
Speaker 1: The crowd was going faster, faster, faster. Then he started
Speaker 1: going grand master, grand master. The crowd started going grand master,
Speaker 1: grand master. That's when I became grandmother. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That was man visit saying okay, yeah, yeah, So I'm
Speaker 1: a meeting after that A ton of times, after a
Speaker 1: ton of times. Um so, I love how he laughed
Speaker 1: at I'm so fucking I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love so. I saw him and be at a
Speaker 1: Grammy after party. I love the floss. I love the
Speaker 1: floor him and be at the Grammy at the party, Um,
Speaker 1: I had two cups of Hennessey. So I couldn't shake this.
Speaker 1: Hennessey ain't going nowhere. It did, it didn't leave You
Speaker 1: didn't shake the man's hand. I couldn't. I had two
Speaker 1: cups of hands because it's more important than Hennessy. Put
Speaker 1: its no tables, There's literally no where I had to
Speaker 1: put it on the ground. Could have been weird, but
Speaker 1: they were, but they were really fucking they were like
Speaker 1: this were they were the man were they were very full.
Speaker 1: I would have my finger in the two girls handy,
Speaker 1: and I was I was thinking of what to say.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say two things, and they collided. I
Speaker 1: wanted to say thank you for everything, but also sorry
Speaker 1: for the confusion. And I fucking said sorry for everything.
Speaker 1: H Bro, he knew I couldn't shake his hand. And
Speaker 1: the nigger hit me with one of the it's all good, bro,
Speaker 1: yeah on my head broad and then I tried to
Speaker 1: oh god, damn, I'm tried to comfort myself a little
Speaker 1: bit by doing the elbow to be she hit the elbow.
Speaker 1: The fucking hennessy dropped on her white dress. God, this
Speaker 1: is getting I was like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: gonna find the closest gun. I'm gonna just go ahead
Speaker 1: and just find it, cloes gun. And this is this
Speaker 1: has been great. I appreciate tomic. I'm gonna just go
Speaker 1: ahead and I'm gonnad and end it now. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna five security. Just come on kick me out, bro,
Speaker 1: somebody come take these I don't want to do somebody's
Speaker 1: kicking me out this motherfucker. Please, Bro, seeing my elbow
Speaker 1: and the ship long ass white dress, like one of
Speaker 1: the ones like somebody just wants to everybody it was
Speaker 1: I did not do good that day my block to
Speaker 1: your block. That's yep, that's the one that's that's the
Speaker 1: jay z Okay, how did this happen? So you know
Speaker 1: what um J? I mean? So it's funny that Jay
Speaker 1: is like, um successful, but back you know, back then
Speaker 1: he had the work ethics of I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying what I'm saying because it's the people who
Speaker 1: have that kind of determination and drive. It takes me
Speaker 1: a while, but like like even like going jad because
Speaker 1: you say, like Jadaki has been dope, right, but I
Speaker 1: think yesterday proves to everybody else that who didn't know
Speaker 1: how dope he was. Right, So he's great actually that
Speaker 1: but he's been great though, right. So what j is
Speaker 1: like even from the first time at priority whatever he
Speaker 1: was doing whatever he's trying to look for ant even
Speaker 1: that quick he was he was the quick. But what
Speaker 1: happened was, um it's this is a funny story. It's
Speaker 1: like I wanted j. Nobody really knew what JA at
Speaker 1: the time, but I kind of wanted before and then
Speaker 1: it kind of worked out. We got together and um,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, y'all need this song and and
Speaker 1: by that time, by time I actually got to it,
Speaker 1: JA was kind of popping a little more and rest
Speaker 1: in piece of DMX too. I think, um, it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be me, me, dm X and j on the record.
Speaker 1: And you know, the DMX was like, I got you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, not to say I got you, right,
Speaker 1: And I think what happened I had had watching right there,
Speaker 1: he's watching my guy. You know what I'm But so
Speaker 1: what happened was, um, my album had Remember the UM
Speaker 1: was it was a it was a tour that jay
Speaker 1: Z n DMX was on. Um. Um no, it was right,
Speaker 1: that's the one. So what happened was my album spposed
Speaker 1: to be turned in on a Thursday at ten at
Speaker 1: eleven am, and um, I think, um, the Hunter tour
Speaker 1: was over Wednesday night. So Wednesday night and I needed
Speaker 1: I said, I need to say by Thursday we were
Speaker 1: masking it right. So he no, no, he's he's he's in.
Speaker 1: He's at the concert. He's a concert. And he was like, UM,
Speaker 1: I got you. But you know, it's funny because he
Speaker 1: um uh left the show. I think immediately went back
Speaker 1: and and knocked it out like a couple like three
Speaker 1: or four in the morning, and sent it you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and for you to make the time
Speaker 1: time what I'm saying like, and he could have just
Speaker 1: been you know, and I'm I'm tied. I just dropped
Speaker 1: the show and and sloop the d MX two. He
Speaker 1: really want to do it, but you know, he just
Speaker 1: probably was like, I'm gonna get in the morning. I
Speaker 1: didn't have time to do it, so I just had
Speaker 1: to go with boom with Jay gay Man. He came
Speaker 1: through man and I hit Jay. I'm like, yo, because
Speaker 1: Jake killed it. I'm like, yeah, how am I told you?
Speaker 1: Jay life and even nothing. I was about to get
Speaker 1: my hunted. He was like, He's like, now we're good
Speaker 1: on the house. So um and it's good because he
Speaker 1: asked me to do something, I did something for him.
Speaker 1: So it was it was dope. It was dope situation,
Speaker 1: Jay solid man, Jay's all the slid just be clear.
Speaker 1: He just said I was gonna give my honey, let's
Speaker 1: just be clear. Yea and these girls and he was like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't want anybody to get offended or think that
Speaker 1: you're taking shot to them. I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't even know nobody in real life but Missy Elliot
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about her, Like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: So um, I did Supermoman Part two. I was in
Speaker 1: l A with Clue working on the record because we
Speaker 1: had did songs with B two K like cluing up,
Speaker 1: cluing or produced. So you heard that young girl we did.
Speaker 1: We did uh someone a girl artists that was on
Speaker 1: dream Words because they cut checks. Her name is Caneyla
Speaker 1: Cox and we had that with Steven Spielberg record Yeah okay,
Speaker 1: And Dreno was cutting checks. He was from l A.
Speaker 1: He was street. He'd be like, I want fifty thousand
Speaker 1: for a song and then motherfucker, don't even come out. Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't care day checks. We were doing the stream
Speaker 1: and we were doing the song and the session was over.
Speaker 1: There was two hours left, but Clue had to get
Speaker 1: back to the East Coast for his Monday Night mixtape
Speaker 1: and I was selling l and I was like, you
Speaker 1: got we ain't wasting this two hours and we ain't
Speaker 1: just sitting up here. So I was like, hey, play
Speaker 1: me a beat. He played me the Superwoman beat. He
Speaker 1: was playing beats. He was like, I think you should
Speaker 1: do something like this, and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: like when people tell me what you do. This is clue.
Speaker 1: He's playing beats. So he plays a beat and it
Speaker 1: was just and I was like, I want that because
Speaker 1: that's so that sound is so annoying. I want to
Speaker 1: annoy people. But when I put my vocals over it
Speaker 1: that she's gonna go out, he was like, I can't
Speaker 1: give you that beat, sist that's for m o p waa.
Speaker 1: Did EMP have a version of it already day beat
Speaker 1: because way too fast? Do a remix already with I
Speaker 1: was like, how about some This is so great, this
Speaker 1: of stuff people would never not super Woman Superwoman to
Speaker 1: Part two. Original beat for that song was made for
Speaker 1: the m M WHOA you killed like you said, you
Speaker 1: killed it so much I can't even think about and
Speaker 1: then trust me, m O P. I'm a big Emmo
Speaker 1: pi fan, but now that I hear what you did
Speaker 1: to I can't even that was crazy. It was it
Speaker 1: was literally just and the beat was dope dope what
Speaker 1: I sang over soda every day. I sang that there
Speaker 1: was no chords and no key, so I had to
Speaker 1: sing that. When I told him, I said, drop the music,
Speaker 1: tell me how many beats per minutes? So I duro
Speaker 1: edited out, but I would have to. I was like
Speaker 1: ever every day, I was snapping my fingers singing that,
Speaker 1: and I had to stack my vocals. So we later
Speaker 1: had some producers, not producers, some musicians come in and
Speaker 1: play the bridge, the strings and then those keys or
Speaker 1: so if you had the original beat to what it
Speaker 1: became the TV track, you'll be like you could tell
Speaker 1: I was around Quincy Jones and them because the way
Speaker 1: from your closet. No, but it was just like it
Speaker 1: was for m O P. So I did the song
Speaker 1: and I sent it to Clue. We had the Delta dashing.
Speaker 1: This was those days and fab on there. Okay, So
Speaker 1: the thing is was with Fab I'm always listening. I
Speaker 1: used to be a mixtape head, and Clues like, who
Speaker 1: do you want to get it? Because by that time
Speaker 1: I had worked with Missy job J. Everybody knew my name.
Speaker 1: Who you want to get on it? I was like
Speaker 1: I could have had I could have had m Op
Speaker 1: on it or anybody you know. And I was with
Speaker 1: a lecture. So it was. It could have been a check,
Speaker 1: but my budget was basically tapped out, which means that
Speaker 1: I still had money on the back end, but I
Speaker 1: didn't want to use all the money because I knew
Speaker 1: they were going to hit me even met that by
Speaker 1: that but it was just like listen, once we put
Speaker 1: us out, Yeah, I know they're gonna be like, I
Speaker 1: know do Rose Mixing is gonna be gonna absorbed that.
Speaker 1: So I know jay Z is gonna charge a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, Mrs gonna charge me to dollars and is
Speaker 1: gonna dry me for disrespect for taking their record. So
Speaker 1: they already knew that they had that record. Well I
Speaker 1: don't find out now. So um Clue was like, so,
Speaker 1: who you want to get on the record. I think
Speaker 1: it would be dope with a rap, I said, the
Speaker 1: boarder speller's name on all your records. He was like Spins.
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, I'm like he's dope. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's easy. Text him and bab and he was with um.
Speaker 1: He wasn't with he was with Webb and Chayo. Him
Speaker 1: and Webb came to the studio with yellow due rags
Speaker 1: or chicken boxes and the Scott Tell pages. So I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: he's gonna come in there being this business. I don't
Speaker 1: know what chicken boxes is, chicken like, it comes in
Speaker 1: the box with chicken the fridge, fricking they came in
Speaker 1: there with food. Thinking in the mixta Dancing Rabbit Spelling's day,
Speaker 1: I'm think he's gonna come in there with all these
Speaker 1: slick rick jewelryes on and waggling out. He came in
Speaker 1: with just him, yellow du Rex and chicken box, and
Speaker 1: I believe maybe street Fair k. It was like, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah, don't come here with a hundred people.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, so you're ready to do
Speaker 1: your podcast, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna let you do
Speaker 1: your thing. He's like, I'm ready, okay, let me move
Speaker 1: out your way. So we were at right track. I
Speaker 1: leave out. So he comes back like a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes later. So I'm like, you're finished. He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: So before we push for I hope you know mind.
Speaker 1: I did a little something in the intro, and I
Speaker 1: did something at that Oh, so you're just working above
Speaker 1: and beyond. So soon as I heard something like he
Speaker 1: was like little oh, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he spelled my name after so he was like, I
Speaker 1: guess I ain't got As soon as I heard heard
Speaker 1: his voice and what he said, I was like, you
Speaker 1: got to be I guess I ain't got no reason
Speaker 1: the men go around. I found a superwoman that could
Speaker 1: leave from the truck in a single bound. Mommy, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to bling you down. Something was without shades on
Speaker 1: the kids stand. When I bring you round, she put
Speaker 1: her lips on the weeds, still put it to work
Speaker 1: her tongue and made me come faster than the speed
Speaker 1: and bullet my love, stronger than our locomotive. But only
Speaker 1: for the mother. So that way, he's like, oh, here
Speaker 1: go to the impart. So I'm like, where does it
Speaker 1: come then? After the bridge, and he was like, the
Speaker 1: superwoman might have saved my day to KOs that would
Speaker 1: have gave some play. Now he wouldn't even wave that way.
Speaker 1: I understand why the mother she's behaved that way. They
Speaker 1: see the icy yes in your chest engraved and be
Speaker 1: whipped the mike because usually with them things he type,
Speaker 1: but only greeny Keith from me is krypton knife. The
Speaker 1: way that blew a red fitting on your hips so right.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I was like where, like, how did you?
Speaker 1: I didn't even have to say, well, maybe you should
Speaker 1: take that up, and I was like, we added here.
Speaker 1: Electra didn't want to put out the records because they
Speaker 1: didn't feel like nobody knew who he was. So clue
Speaker 1: played on his mixtape and then after Well the Money
Speaker 1: Knight Makes tape on High ninety seven, he just kept
Speaker 1: on going up to and after that there was oh
Speaker 1: my god, this record is a smash. So I literally
Speaker 1: saw him go from them. We had a basically say
Speaker 1: you put fab one let commercial commercially. Is anybody ever
Speaker 1: gonna tell a land that the waffle house is trash?
Speaker 1: It's not that good, It's not that good. I don't
Speaker 1: like I'm just being on that ship, feel like I
Speaker 1: feel dirty. Like ever you ever win the court and
Speaker 1: left court? Yeah, and you know how you gonna want
Speaker 1: to take a shower with me and the county. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest. I'm sorry the county, the county jail get you.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Atlanta, so sorry. Anybody in the South
Speaker 1: is gonna say this one. I'm just being honest. For
Speaker 1: twenty five years, I went had meetings at the waffle house.
Speaker 1: They got the little tile floor. Now, motherfuck the top
Speaker 1: of McDonald's got the McDonald's old McDonald's mopping there. As
Speaker 1: soon as you take your shit out like that, that
Speaker 1: smells like hamburglar, you know what I'm saying. And it's
Speaker 1: just it's just not a good scene. It's really literally
Speaker 1: what it's for the last middle of the night, like
Speaker 1: you know, after the club and all that. But I'll
Speaker 1: be seeing people wake up in the morning the waffle house,
Speaker 1: like no, that's not a thing to do, like like
Speaker 1: this stuff. I know people will get to go to
Speaker 1: the they go get fresh, they know somebody that worked there. Okay,
Speaker 1: house is not that good. You do agree on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: South South guys looking like that, we lost the whouse.
Speaker 1: You're like, look, nobody look. And it went to a
Speaker 1: black college though he didn't HBCU. That's what they call. Okay,
Speaker 1: only mother go out, gonna be going there, all right? Okay,
Speaker 1: what happened to bush Bill on the cover the hospital?
Speaker 1: And it is that picture real? Right? That pictures real
Speaker 1: really man, Okay, it's a real, real ship. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we got flowers. I'm gonna put this are I
Speaker 1: don't know what, don't we goes. We just want we
Speaker 1: just wanted to do our part of the job, you
Speaker 1: know what. Look so told about the cover the night
Speaker 1: before the night before we heard Bill got shot you
Speaker 1: know by bye his girl and uh, let's say you
Speaker 1: got shot nine. So I had already you know, I
Speaker 1: was already in my mind that day. You know, that
Speaker 1: was the end of that Like you just shot your
Speaker 1: fucking eye. That's the end of that story. So I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, So we had to go up to
Speaker 1: the hospital the next day. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: let me tell you how uh how much of the
Speaker 1: thinking James is j Prince James, Yeah, yeah, old man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wanted to go to the hospital that next fucking
Speaker 1: day when Bill can have visitors man and shoot the
Speaker 1: album cover Scots and Jesus it makes sense now, But
Speaker 1: back then, man, Bill is fucking dead, right, And Bill
Speaker 1: sit up in the guarney, and she pushed him out
Speaker 1: in the hallway. And Bill sitting up on the guarney,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a man. So because he and and
Speaker 1: uh got me and willing to stand on east side
Speaker 1: of the gurney, man like we was pushing him out
Speaker 1: the hospital saying we can't be stopped and snapped the
Speaker 1: photo with his I hanging out and that was it.
Speaker 1: So that's not props. No, that's not Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. I didn't know that. I was like ship
Speaker 1: build friend die man, all right. And he's a small
Speaker 1: guy too, so you're not thinking he got the same
Speaker 1: strengthens everyone else ship had that mentality. I don't give
Speaker 1: a funk if he died that we're gonna get this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get that picture, man, holy ship, treat right,
Speaker 1: Meek mel Ross Hi show never So I gotta ask
Speaker 1: me this. Everybody's in the same Joane that fast while
Speaker 1: you take this shot, you take the whole shot though, sir,
Speaker 1: Come on, you know you're a drinking the layer shot
Speaker 1: I just had at his fast break. This is a
Speaker 1: funny ship. I got the delf finings and the shootout
Speaker 1: on sat Nland. They didn't shoot that with me. The
Speaker 1: delfonics de Yeah, the niggas in the shoot out with me.
Speaker 1: Got the niggas in the fast and I'm blowing that
Speaker 1: this chick, this chick playing games. I started shooting at
Speaker 1: this nigga. Niggas is back of me and the fucking game,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and and and money hitting
Speaker 1: back and those others just so we riding by like
Speaker 1: no just it was crazy. So by the time I
Speaker 1: got to say sorry to these niggas and ship it,
Speaker 1: know what I mean, dude. The niggas was like Yo,
Speaker 1: They're like, Yo, don't worry back, man, I said, told
Speaker 1: me to bring my knife and ship. Remember these whole
Speaker 1: men now like you know me, like, but they're like,
Speaker 1: niga cool because I'm thinking, like damn, what the fight
Speaker 1: throw filing to the shoot out like well, that's like crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm like, I'm like, oh shit, this is
Speaker 1: your way. They feeling this album? They feeling Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was on my album yea. They might have did that
Speaker 1: record that night after the Circus clip. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, I got to the to the studio,
Speaker 1: I like, Yo, were the elevated like you, I'm sorry man,
Speaker 1: yo the fucking sorry Yo. I'm sorry yo, yo, Yo,
Speaker 1: worry not. And then so told me to bring my knife,
Speaker 1: told me to bring my knife and ship. So I'm like, fun,
Speaker 1: I felt so fucking bad for like, you know, you
Speaker 1: get to shoot out with the delt they back of me.
Speaker 1: Fifteen passengers. They just see me blowing that the nigger.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because nigga was like in
Speaker 1: the front of me, in the front. The nigga listen,
Speaker 1: the nick in the front. He playing games and ship.
Speaker 1: So he seen me through the fucking red view. So
Speaker 1: we in and whip and I'm like, yo, he's I
Speaker 1: sees Nigga smiling looking through the rift, looking through the ship.
Speaker 1: He's spilling at me like yello like that, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: nigga taking real slow, real slow. I'm like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: Dell finds in the back fixing white dad something like yo,
Speaker 1: just snicking playing games like yo, and I had to join,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, I don't know. The nigga just kept
Speaker 1: on going slow, stopping, so we gotta stop behind because
Speaker 1: you're right behind them, like yo, the snicking throughing ship.
Speaker 1: As soon as he turned off the eyes good ship
Speaker 1: like that, the Laurel ship, like you don't come down.
Speaker 1: As soon as he made that turn windows back windows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the dude, they're following us. No, check it out.
Speaker 1: They followed us in the room the other shooting niggas
Speaker 1: they turned around. That ain't back in the big bag, yo,
Speaker 1: racing the project down. They speak through all this, well
Speaker 1: they turned off. I guess I ain't see him when
Speaker 1: we got to the studio and ship, but I was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about these niggers, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like go hold on by came to the record. Ye're listening.
Speaker 1: There was man telling you the call. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is the best shit I heard about at the one,
Speaker 1: La la la Yo. The record when you see accent
Speaker 1: was the record boo. I think we might reactor that night,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know what, so what
Speaker 1: we were talking about before that, I was into it.
Speaker 1: The vessel, the vessel, Oh yeah, I know, you know
Speaker 1: we we can get off that we're going to something else.
Speaker 1: But I was just talking about, you know, just art
Speaker 1: in music and happen. Did you feel this was like
Speaker 1: a reintroduction of yourself to people? Let me, we introduced
Speaker 1: myself not to not to me really, you know, like
Speaker 1: like I gotta, I gotta just versus is a heavyweight fight.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say that again because most artists are
Speaker 1: not friendly like me and Crack. They don't have you know,
Speaker 1: relationship speaking the phone like and so getting in there
Speaker 1: is different. You know what I'm saying, because now it
Speaker 1: has become I'm telling you it's become it's no more celebration.
Speaker 1: But no, but it's also become Let's be clear, it's
Speaker 1: not a celebration. It's a celebration. People want to win more.
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, I'm inside and I'm just it's no
Speaker 1: more celebration like that is what got guns. Like celebration.
Speaker 1: You're trying to kill. Hip always win. You trying to
Speaker 1: kill and hip hop will always winning these battles. But
Speaker 1: that's politically correct. No, no, no, that's the real thing.
Speaker 1: Because but what it's being I love that it's becoming
Speaker 1: a showcase of more than just your records, more than
Speaker 1: just the music. When you're performing in front of a crowd,
Speaker 1: it's becoming a showcase of this showmanship, how you know,
Speaker 1: how you command the stage, how you who's who's you
Speaker 1: know who who, who's holding the fucking room. It becomes
Speaker 1: all of that too. Okay, Okay, I don't want some
Speaker 1: Japanese um call Yate or Jess Blaze both. You don't
Speaker 1: want to take a shot of this specif ship the Japanese.
Speaker 1: We can take a tiny shop that again. Change man,
Speaker 1: It's okay, No, it's not take that shot. Cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I told you this thousand bottom. Come on, just call me,
Speaker 1: come on cool. That's good. Yeah, that's a double for me.
Speaker 1: Let's go back. Let's made back, cousins. Okay, got n
Speaker 1: A k A tv C. It's TV. Let's what's up,
Speaker 1: It's up. Make some Morrison TVC. You can't see it.
Speaker 1: Look when I was a fat boy. That that was
Speaker 1: my stunt. Double. I just made your famous. I've been famous, famous,
Speaker 1: God damnit, don't you know? So during the during the
Speaker 1: course of time, I started to think of something the
Speaker 1: other day and knowing that if I had you here,
Speaker 1: and I just want to be straight up and just
Speaker 1: asked the question right like, I don't remember seeing you
Speaker 1: and Swiss in the same room, and over ten years
Speaker 1: the only time I can think of you and Swiss
Speaker 1: being in the same room, was it like all that time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know. This is a question. I seriously
Speaker 1: don't know. Like I know I'm close to both sides,
Speaker 1: so I should know, But I seriously don't know what this.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I swear to go if I
Speaker 1: if you want to take my fingers not crossed, none
Speaker 1: of that. You know that funny sh I swear to
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to this. Why is that? Though?
Speaker 1: Like you it's okay, I did we all it was
Speaker 1: a little big paper I did. If you think I'm jiggie,
Speaker 1: five cuts from the money per respect boom, I did
Speaker 1: get out me dog, numerous cuts and core produce on
Speaker 1: like these thirteen cuts on h it's Alcohelo's hot. They
Speaker 1: were the keen time for fleshing my flesh, the blood,
Speaker 1: the blood, right, you know what I'm saying. I was
Speaker 1: getting kind of veto, okay, but I was getting kind
Speaker 1: of blocked. Yeah, I was getting kind of blocked because
Speaker 1: rough riders with my management. I wasn't a rough friuther
Speaker 1: of producing, you know what I'm saying. At the same time,
Speaker 1: like my phone call stopped coming through the office on
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I got just so seven million records collectively,
Speaker 1: matter of fact, but on you know it's a little
Speaker 1: bit popular beast sign and miss. You know it's like
Speaker 1: six million money probably respected from one point five dog
Speaker 1: went about three out the gate five all that underwearth management,
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So at the beginning of them
Speaker 1: starting fleshing my flesh. Yeah, felt on Vito, I think
Speaker 1: you said, yeah, like my phone calls wasn't coming through
Speaker 1: from you, the management. Yeah, so I had to go
Speaker 1: a little deep cover. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I spoke to I think I was the so so death.
Speaker 1: The was like yo, he says, you're not doing bet
Speaker 1: some more, hold on, hold on, okay, and then they're insinuated,
Speaker 1: this is coming from your camp exactly. Okay, from my management. Okay, wow,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So the same time, and
Speaker 1: it actually it's written in blood, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the same time doing flesh your flesh, if you know
Speaker 1: the Swiss of the majority of flesher my flesh and
Speaker 1: different things. And I did one song it's called Dogs
Speaker 1: for Life, you know what I'm saying the same time,
Speaker 1: And Dog was catching the the the the vibes. He
Speaker 1: just made the song for me, Robber, still with your dog,
Speaker 1: nig it was right to be died thinking like bloods
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So with the one song
Speaker 1: that didn't flesh my flesh, Dog just he made it
Speaker 1: for me. Okay. You know what I'm saying that. You know, Greece, Nick,
Speaker 1: I'm here, you know what I'm saying beside. But the
Speaker 1: politics is you know what I'm saying. But actually Swiss
Speaker 1: is successful to let's not get it to us, right right?
Speaker 1: No word ship? Yeah yeah, yeah, actually was the best
Speaker 1: thing that happened to me. You're not being a part
Speaker 1: of flesh, of my flesh as much as you wanted
Speaker 1: to be. No, just really it made me to an
Speaker 1: individual producer. Okay, yeah, it made me to like iron grease,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That came after that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: came out. They focused say, okay, let's say over that. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I said, less in my flesh. You're feeling
Speaker 1: a little crazy. But you don't get word. You get
Speaker 1: word from social death. But did you have to go
Speaker 1: to your management and say what's going on here? Like, um,
Speaker 1: not quite? Okay, not quite? He took so no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no. I got
Speaker 1: it from the office downtown, Michael say specific names of
Speaker 1: the ladies working there. It's so funny, ship going on.
Speaker 1: They sending your phone calls, so another producer, so it's
Speaker 1: forth like, oh but the cap all this up, pulled
Speaker 1: up to jay Z clip. Jay Z said the loll
Speaker 1: in one shot. Okay, what clip is this? It's a
Speaker 1: clip that jay Z put up because at I'm so
Speaker 1: glad Jay did. I'm like, I gotta tell this storry
Speaker 1: no more. But Jay was like, um for one of
Speaker 1: his albums, like, yo, I went to the dude was
Speaker 1: doing all them records. Uh, Dame Crease that produced the
Speaker 1: Stalk and hell of Shot and then um, that's just
Speaker 1: smell good too. Right then, um Ja was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted Damn Crease and then he sent
Speaker 1: me the Nephew, but now I want to Crease. I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: I can't be sitting what you're doing, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So at the same time, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, Jay kept the Fisher like no
Speaker 1: for mean enough. I we did some hits, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. We did some ship you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I can't front. I went to work
Speaker 1: with Fat Nigger. So that was one of the phone
Speaker 1: calls that got redistributed. Did you ever get a chance
Speaker 1: to work with the whole one song? Okay? Um Freeway,
Speaker 1: Big Spender, Hey, big spender. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: That was the only time. It's the only time. But
Speaker 1: we actually we always have great, good dialogue, especially on
Speaker 1: the toys with dog and everything. Great dollargue there. Always
Speaker 1: give me a lot of great insight. So this is
Speaker 1: for people that don't know, and obviously me, I'm a
Speaker 1: part of that and they don't know. So Flash of
Speaker 1: My Flesh comes out another successful He has too number
Speaker 1: one albums in one year. You guys know each other
Speaker 1: from back then. You did feel a little Vito like
Speaker 1: you said, how do you black ball? Black ball? So
Speaker 1: how do you amendous? Like, how do y'all come back together?
Speaker 1: No dog? Dog never ever ever dog. You never saw
Speaker 1: that as him. No dog never ever. I love my nig.
Speaker 1: He always kept it two billion with me. Always some
Speaker 1: new album pull up if nobody else wanted me to.
Speaker 1: His movie scores Greece. I'm doing a movie called excell Wounds.
Speaker 1: Come through the score, the whole score on that Greece.
Speaker 1: Some do a movie called Crady to the Grave, Come
Speaker 1: through the score. And that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: In all the main things. So he will always keep
Speaker 1: me involved with all his projects. Or anything he was
Speaker 1: doing but yourself. But earlier you said you felt black ball.
Speaker 1: You can't feel black ball that they're doing scores. No, no,
Speaker 1: I was black ball in the almost society in your
Speaker 1: own camp. You're saying no, you know from the rough
Speaker 1: fry of situation was a little Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: little like, uh, I don't know, but from X there's DMX.
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you thought it was Swiss himself
Speaker 1: saying no, I don't know. Never, no, never never, I
Speaker 1: never never never never never. I'm actually actually quite proud
Speaker 1: of sless. Okay, but I was just having beat competition.
Speaker 1: That's what everyone had at that time. Not quite. I
Speaker 1: didn't always having to beat competitions. Okay, I'm just cranking
Speaker 1: and doing dope. Ship. I know it was uh competition
Speaker 1: and closes door behind you, ship that was coming. It's
Speaker 1: always coming. No, I just got just do dope, ship.
Speaker 1: I ain't know. It was like getting the closest door
Speaker 1: behind you. Times. Sometimes yeah, you know, it happens like that.
Speaker 1: I don't say sometimes it is like that, but sometimes
Speaker 1: it happens like, right, wow, this is interesting ship, this
Speaker 1: is interesting. Now. I just don't through, man, it's dope
Speaker 1: it's still a movie still filming, so it's eat Booty
Speaker 1: Gang still in the fact. But I started, I built,
Speaker 1: I'm building, I'm feeling franchise. So it's to eat a
Speaker 1: booty game. I'm building a franchise up now. Now I'm
Speaker 1: getting the women to support to eat a booty game.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, come who when you
Speaker 1: say women to support to eat booty game? Women is
Speaker 1: eating the booty Yeah, women eat good? Wait what I
Speaker 1: don't know what? Get what? You don't have your legs
Speaker 1: in the air, though it depends we had any think
Speaker 1: about that. Listen to be ruling my childhood. Listen, I'm
Speaker 1: on the road. I'm on the road. You can free
Speaker 1: tell me to come to this room to watch the
Speaker 1: play PlayStation. At the time, I'm eighteen years old, I'm
Speaker 1: really thinking, you're gonna go play PlayStation. I go to
Speaker 1: this thing of rule stick and put on the video
Speaker 1: he got his legs? Why the funk? I'm in the
Speaker 1: air and adventure to eat it up. Ruling my child
Speaker 1: it's never the same, never looked at PlayStation the same.
Speaker 1: After that, my man, I got over that. But it
Speaker 1: was the first time I've never seen that. I've never
Speaker 1: seen that before. So you started out eating boody then
Speaker 1: made no no, no, no, no no no. I first
Speaker 1: of all, first of all, I'm I'm gonna please the first.
Speaker 1: I would prefer to eat the girl out before she
Speaker 1: give me because I had I had a lot of
Speaker 1: terrible head like there's there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: lot of none dick, something's out there, And I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna be straight up with there's a lot of the
Speaker 1: majority of other women that something they they're supposed to
Speaker 1: him that they have to suck. I want me a
Speaker 1: woman to appreciate it and love to sing like like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I guess we could come.
Speaker 1: So I became a pleaser insta where to the part
Speaker 1: where she didn't even got to suck my day this
Speaker 1: let me eat that pussy. And then after a while,
Speaker 1: you gotta you know, you got the gooch? You know
Speaker 1: the women got the gooch? What was that in between
Speaker 1: the whole wat? Okay, okay. So that's when when a
Speaker 1: girl hit my goof two or three times with the
Speaker 1: flick of the tongue, I was like, so I raised
Speaker 1: the bridge up on like I'm like, hey, so I
Speaker 1: raised from literally from the It's just you know, I
Speaker 1: get I get mad sometimes when I go on the
Speaker 1: clubhouses and I go on um, you know, Twitter and
Speaker 1: things like that, and they have trending topics like Kevin
Speaker 1: Hart ain't funny. I can't. I don't understand that. I
Speaker 1: went into a room like that one time with they
Speaker 1: said Tiffany hatsh ain't funny, And normally what that is
Speaker 1: is troll. So when I went in that room, she
Speaker 1: jumped in into and about She stayed in for about
Speaker 1: an hour, but I spent about ten minutes telling them, niggas,
Speaker 1: don't do that corny ship. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because no matter if you affect five people, people just
Speaker 1: winning then started screaming, Okay, look man, y'all here doing
Speaker 1: this troll ship. It was like, no, we just wanted
Speaker 1: to get her in here so we could talk to
Speaker 1: her about some issues over in Africa. Alright, cool, I
Speaker 1: get that, right, But to go and say someone's not funny,
Speaker 1: to go against the hold something against their livelihood. Black
Speaker 1: people always talking about we don't have enough and we
Speaker 1: don't have this, but we're the first people to do
Speaker 1: some dumb ship like that. So um, moving on, how
Speaker 1: did you start acting? What was what was the actor
Speaker 1: Bob who who told you it was the first. The
Speaker 1: first off I got was to be in the Friday
Speaker 1: Movie to Being Fridays as the little kid Chris kicking
Speaker 1: over the garbage kids. And I was like, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing that. You're going to go So when you said
Speaker 1: kicking over the garbage, what are you talking about? They
Speaker 1: told you not to do it. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do because think about it, right, during that time, right
Speaker 1: we're talking the early nineties, you just kind of sell out.
Speaker 1: Like at that time, it was like, yo, you got
Speaker 1: the movie. It was to sell out, right. Remember there's
Speaker 1: just no disrespect to anybody. But I remember there was
Speaker 1: a time right because I hung with came and came, man,
Speaker 1: that's like that's like that's all that's my heart, right,
Speaker 1: And he will always get me the Jews like never
Speaker 1: sell your publishing but this, and he said, you know
Speaker 1: you need to take your career to two movies and
Speaker 1: things like that. And I would come back home around
Speaker 1: the trying to set me you will sell out, and
Speaker 1: I'm like yo, and then so I'm like nah. My
Speaker 1: mind was like I don't want to be a sellout.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, na, I'm hipop that radio.
Speaker 1: You ain't barbe throwing stretch to the red is dub.
Speaker 1: You're being a party and be like nah he he
Speaker 1: you don't wrap us no more. It wasn't to commercials
Speaker 1: and things of money like that. And then he said,
Speaker 1: forget all this gets sticking true to the culture. I'm
Speaker 1: going to get the bag. And if I got to
Speaker 1: do a flip in the strike commercial, that's what they
Speaker 1: did and it made it sells everybody out at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. But what wait, was the Frinday
Speaker 1: thing before the til Yeah? Yeah, it was before because
Speaker 1: it's the same director. So when that ain't happened for that,
Speaker 1: he called me back. He said, all right, it's not acting,
Speaker 1: it's just being in the video. And or you're doing
Speaker 1: this being yourself, he said. I said, what is it for?
Speaker 1: He said TLC. I was saying, yeah, I'm on that,
Speaker 1: and it was just to be in a video. I
Speaker 1: didn't think of it that. I didn't think of it
Speaker 1: as acting. I just thought of its being in the video.
Speaker 1: But Friday, did you know that ice cube was attached
Speaker 1: to that? I didn't. I didn't get you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't care because for me with me and the
Speaker 1: world was coming to a party and rock him giving
Speaker 1: you a dap or Chuck Deed telling me that I'm
Speaker 1: the bridge, and it's like, no, I'm not, man, I
Speaker 1: want to be accepted. You know what I'm saying on
Speaker 1: the block. I don't really care about that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that's why I like you holding
Speaker 1: a smoke champ like that. You want to light up?
Speaker 1: You can light up? You want to light up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can light up. It's okay, yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're thinking about thinking, come on, you're job. Let's go.
Speaker 1: You know, man, I'm not a real smoke You ain't
Speaker 1: got embarrassing you gotta I gotta go. Somebody like, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody liked it. So let me ask this as this
Speaker 1: kind of a serious question, right, because um, I remember
Speaker 1: when nas Um named his company ill Will, right, and
Speaker 1: I believe that he had to change the name of
Speaker 1: his company because it's easy to say like fun ill Will,
Speaker 1: but ill Will is an actual person. It Will was
Speaker 1: his actual best friend. So was it ever a time
Speaker 1: when you said that about naming your album that? Because
Speaker 1: that's what somebody don't like this. This is album and
Speaker 1: somebody could say fun Donna. They're not saying fuck your mother,
Speaker 1: but they're saying funk the actual material. Did you ever
Speaker 1: feel any concern about that naming it after after her?
Speaker 1: Not at all. But I have seen them do these
Speaker 1: things when when everybody said they like donned the Way
Speaker 1: better than uh CLB. They had this thing where they
Speaker 1: had these football players coming up saying, what you like
Speaker 1: better CLB A Donda and then they was like cl
Speaker 1: be and then one of them was like yeah down.
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, that's my mama. Yeah. So so
Speaker 1: so you didn't feel that as a certain way, like
Speaker 1: as a football player saying fun yeah, but he was
Speaker 1: saying for the album. There's a lot of us fighting
Speaker 1: in all kinds of different ways. It's like that thirteenth
Speaker 1: Amendment needs to completely be eradicated. What the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's a it's a specific amendment for slavery
Speaker 1: for black people that's in the current constitution. When we
Speaker 1: shut up and dribble and we wrapped and we do
Speaker 1: all this, this thing is still in the constitutions. As
Speaker 1: famous as black people, as powerful as we are, and
Speaker 1: as influential as we are this, there's still are pieces
Speaker 1: of our one constitution that our only aim towards the
Speaker 1: lost Hebrew race, knowing the lost people people army known
Speaker 1: as black and that is still modern day um mom
Speaker 1: and day slavery. So I'm you gotta give collectively. That's
Speaker 1: that's the whole point. That's the reason why it's talks
Speaker 1: to me and Drake doing a concert uh two uh
Speaker 1: to bring life to Hoover together. And that's what I
Speaker 1: see you with Ja Prince and and Jake Prince obviously
Speaker 1: is affiliated. I see here to rap a lot change.
Speaker 1: J Prince spoke about it here. I believe I'm not wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so for a bigger car for period. I
Speaker 1: love Drake, anybody you know what I'm saying. It's just
Speaker 1: I was just basically I was just telling you, like
Speaker 1: little back for basketball type of professional rap stuff he's
Speaker 1: dealing with, but on a bigger and also, I say,
Speaker 1: you know, those of us that know how to organize
Speaker 1: are fraught to their demise be as they do not
Speaker 1: want us to be organized. They want us to be
Speaker 1: modern day slaves. Deep Ship, Deep Ship, deep Ship, thanks
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