WEBVTT - Dame & Jrue Trade Recaps

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of The Heat Check, it's officially game

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<v Speaker 1>time in Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am in my fields.

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<v Speaker 1>We also get into the recent reporting that is spilling

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<v Speaker 1>the tea on the cold war between Dame's camp and

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<v Speaker 1>the Blazers front office, all the latest on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Jew Holiday trade.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have a fun interview with Jonathan Zaslow of

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<v Speaker 1>the Zazlow two point zero podcast straight out of Miami

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<v Speaker 1>to get to the heat view of how things went down.

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<v Speaker 2>Hint, not great, Bob, not great?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, William drop that generic asid beat that should

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<v Speaker 1>be Rihanna Break was breaking down all the biggest NBA storylines,

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<v Speaker 1>So the Heat Check.

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<v Speaker 2>The Heat Check was.

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<v Speaker 1>Sista Trade's the best podcast covering all the drama around

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<v Speaker 1>the association. All right, last time we talked about Damian Lillard,

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<v Speaker 1>he just been traded.

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<v Speaker 2>In the entire basketball world was in shock.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's rewind for just a second and basque in the

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<v Speaker 1>glory of this monumental trade.

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<v Speaker 2>Shall we shall we shall we we shall?

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<v Speaker 1>The Blazers get Drew Holiday, which has he has been traded,

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<v Speaker 1>but the beginning of the trade was Drew Holiday, DeAndre

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<v Speaker 1>eight and Tumani Kamara, who is very good.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually like him a lot. A twenty twenty nine

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<v Speaker 2>first round.

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<v Speaker 1>Pick unprotected and two pickswaps in twenty twenty eight and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty. As I would say, twenty twenty thirty, the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun's got Yusef Nurkic, Grayson Allen Nicer Little and Keon

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson and the Bucks get of course, Dame Dame Time Lillard.

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<v Speaker 1>That happened and if you hadn't had or heard, how triggered.

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<v Speaker 2>The Miami fans are.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a short interview at the end of this

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<v Speaker 1>episode with Miami radio guy Jonathan Zaslow, friend of show,

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<v Speaker 1>who will break all that down.

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<v Speaker 2>But in essence, we have two things to do on

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<v Speaker 2>this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, as media begins to roll around today, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>breaking news if you're living under a rock shocker, James

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<v Speaker 1>Harden did not report today to Sixers Media Day. We

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<v Speaker 1>will talk about that next episode, but for now, the

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<v Speaker 1>first really is to discuss the other non hardened breaking

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<v Speaker 1>news Portland has traded you Holliday to the Boston Celtics.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get into all of that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second thing we have to do talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War still being waged between the Blazers for

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<v Speaker 1>an office and Damian Lillard's camp because we got not

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<v Speaker 1>one but two massive I guess, think pieces, if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to call him, that dropped over the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and they tell, as you might imagine, radically different stories.

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<v Speaker 2>This is rare, radically different.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, let's talk about the Jew Holiday trade, which

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<v Speaker 1>was an absolute haul. When the Blazers acquired this four

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<v Speaker 1>time All Star All NBA Defensive First Team guard in

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<v Speaker 1>the Jew for Dame trade.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a massive win for Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Cronin personally and the franchise as a whole. Because why because,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Miami Heat fans, the Blazers had no leverage

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<v Speaker 1>to get anybody other than someone like Tyler Hero, who

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<v Speaker 1>is a no time All Star. Probably pat Riley in

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<v Speaker 1>the front office thought that the best deal was Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Hero and two first round picks.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the best the Blazers were ever going

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<v Speaker 2>to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Even after the trade, a shocking number of Miami people

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<v Speaker 1>were saying that the Heat still had the better offer

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<v Speaker 1>because Tyler Hero was worth as much as Drew Holiday,

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<v Speaker 1>which they thought would be a first round pick.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course that was bullshit because there.

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<v Speaker 1>Were twenty teams calling for Drew four three, four teams

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<v Speaker 1>that seriously Drew would re extend with, and the second

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<v Speaker 1>the trade was finalized, half the league was beating down

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<v Speaker 1>Crona's door for just a chance to get Drew, who

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<v Speaker 1>has proven that he can be the final piece to

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<v Speaker 1>push a team over into a championship. We saw that

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<v Speaker 1>with the Bucks when he in late twenty twenty, and

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<v Speaker 1>they won a title shortly thereafter. The reason that many

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<v Speaker 1>teams wanted Drew is because he's the Dame Stopper right

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<v Speaker 1>Because Dame de Milwaukee forever altered the NBA landscape, particular.

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<v Speaker 2>For the teams in the East.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only did it make the Bucks immediately the best

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<v Speaker 1>team in the East in the NBA and the favorite

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<v Speaker 1>to it, it all also removed Giannis from the board

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<v Speaker 1>for the teams that were salivating at the thought that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they could get Jannis to ask out and snatch

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<v Speaker 1>him away from Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's off the table, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other teams in the East, particularly Miami, Philly,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston and Cleveland all needed to make a significant move

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<v Speaker 1>to stay afloat, and that meant a bidding war. So

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<v Speaker 1>take that, Miami Heat fans who are still trying to

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<v Speaker 1>push the narrative that Tyler Hero is the same as

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Holiday. But it turns out the one team that

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<v Speaker 1>was willing to pull all their chips into the middle

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<v Speaker 1>was the Boston Celtics landed Drew in this blockbuster deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is the details. Portland gets Rob Williams Time Lord

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<v Speaker 1>Defensive Player of the Year candidates, Malcolm Brogden sixth Man

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year, a twenty twenty four first round pick

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<v Speaker 1>via the Golden State Warriors, but it came via the

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<v Speaker 1>Memphis Grizzlies to Boston in the Marcus Smart trade, a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty nine unprotected pick from Boston in the first round.

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<v Speaker 1>Boston gets Drew Holliday. That is a holy shit trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Proof that Joe Cronin knew what was up. He knew

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<v Speaker 1>what he was doing, which is I'm gonna flip players

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<v Speaker 1>and listen he It wasn't like he wasn't down to flip, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just not down to take a risk on

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<v Speaker 1>what Tyler Hero was worth. A perennial Defensive Player of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year in Time Lord. He's always in the mix,

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't won it, but he's certainly in the mix. The

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<v Speaker 1>reigning six Man of the Year and two first that's

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<v Speaker 1>that is now. What the Blazers are going to do

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<v Speaker 1>is now trade Malcolm Brogden, probably for another first and

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<v Speaker 1>probably another young piece. The Dame deal is looking sweeter

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<v Speaker 1>by the minute. It is looking better by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Moment for the Trailblazers and Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>The move makes a ton of sense because, as some

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<v Speaker 1>Boston insiders have said, if Dame had been traded earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus Martin never would have been moved. You need somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to stop Dame, and they had no guard on the

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<v Speaker 1>team that could really stop Dame. And they knew that

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<v Speaker 1>they had to figure it out, go all in and

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<v Speaker 1>what a big bass trade.

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<v Speaker 2>From Boston's perspective, they had a.

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<v Speaker 1>Directive from ownership to do whatever it took to win

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<v Speaker 1>a chip asap Rocky, and that's what they did. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sad for Boston fans kind of because I know how

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<v Speaker 1>much you love time Lord. That was like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll give you Peyton Pritchard and the ghost of aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Ne Smith. And I mean, they just wanted to give nothing. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what fans wanted to do. And they are rightfully

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<v Speaker 1>split because now as we see Brad Stevens has traded

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<v Speaker 1>sixty percent of his starting lineup that most people thought

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<v Speaker 1>last year were favorites to win it all and some

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<v Speaker 1>people thought were favorites to win it all this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are now poof gone time Lord great defender,

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<v Speaker 1>defensive Player of the Year caliber, whn't healthy, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>but his plate less than half a season every year

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<v Speaker 1>he's been in the league. I know that may sound

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<v Speaker 1>like it's bad for the Blazers, but he's very young.

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<v Speaker 1>Brogden six Man of the Year, He's gonna get flipped.

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<v Speaker 1>But from Boston's perspective, he's also been injured a ton.

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<v Speaker 1>And on top of that, reports are that Brogden wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a fresh start after the Celtics look to trade him

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<v Speaker 1>back in June to the Clippers, and he was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would like out.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want this bullshit anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Because remember Brogden publicly criticized Boston for how they handled

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<v Speaker 1>things when they lost in the playoffs. Lots of Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>videos prior to the trade at camp and guess what

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<v Speaker 1>none of those videos showed Malcolm Brogden none.

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<v Speaker 2>It was been icy over there four months.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a heavy price to pay, but ultimately what

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<v Speaker 1>they had to do to keep up with the Bucks. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Celtics team is down Rob Williams eight eight and two,

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus Smart twelve three and six, Malcolm Brogdon fifteen four

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<v Speaker 1>and four, Grant Williams eight five and two, all down

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<v Speaker 1>from last year, all accounting for thirty six percent of

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<v Speaker 1>their scoring, forty five percent of their rebounds, and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>two percent of their assists.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>More importantly, those four players represented sixty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>team's blocks and forty five percent of the team steals.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of defense is gone, which is why drewam

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<v Speaker 1>was so important to get Drew Holliday.

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<v Speaker 2>Lockdown point of attack defender.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he did get cooked by Jimmy Butler, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was just what you had to do to stop Dame.

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<v Speaker 2>The move had other ripple of effects, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Miami, Uh cause yeah, I have to.

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<v Speaker 2>They get left with their dick in their hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they do, and they got to run it

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<v Speaker 1>back without their two key starters and Vincent and Strus

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<v Speaker 1>who got replaced by Josh Richardson and Thomas Bryant. Yikes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's now so bad in the Miami streets that Barry Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>longtime Miami reporter who everybody was saying was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most respected reporters in the business, but he had

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<v Speaker 1>been chilling for pat Riley for the entire summer and

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<v Speaker 1>Dame's agent for the entire summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember he said, no matter where.

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<v Speaker 1>Dame went, Dame was gonna immediately ask out to Miami. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that, And now Barry is back on his bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>except for he is tired of the Miami Heat organization

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<v Speaker 1>doing Miami Heat cheap things.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this is what he said on Twitter. Miami won

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<v Speaker 2>their titles.

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<v Speaker 1>My impression is they're happy fielding competitive, good teams and

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<v Speaker 1>selling out every team, which they do. We're selling out

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<v Speaker 1>every game, which they do. If they can win another

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<v Speaker 1>title without losing tens of millions, great, If not, they

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<v Speaker 1>won't be losing sleep. Whoo. Then he said if he

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<v Speaker 1>reported half of the things, because peop.

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<v Speaker 2>Were like, that's bullshit, Barry, that's bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he said, if he reported half of the thing

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<v Speaker 1>he knows and can't say about what's happening behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes with the Heat, he would lose his fucking press credentials.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, Barry this is what we want to see,

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<v Speaker 1>scorched earth journalism. Meanwhile, in Philly, they are still trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to get in the mix as well,

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<v Speaker 1>given that the fact, like I said, James Harden has

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<v Speaker 1>not reported to media day, he is not going to

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado where they have their training camp. We're still trying

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<v Speaker 1>to have a sense of what's gonna happen with him.

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<v Speaker 1>As Windhorse said on The Hoop Collective earlier last week,

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<v Speaker 1>James Harden is owed.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine million dollars, one quarter of his salary.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we'll have a lot more insight on what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>with the Sixers this week. But the truth of the matter,

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<v Speaker 1>the best opportunity to move Harden was in a multi

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<v Speaker 1>team trade involving Drew, and now that that ship is sale,

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<v Speaker 1>they must get into the Malcolm Brogden sweepstakes.

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<v Speaker 2>People try to move.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard into the Clippers, get Malcolm Brogden, do some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of salary magic, but it is very shaky in Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>right now. The big winner, though, is young first time

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<v Speaker 1>GM Joe Cronin. Joe Cronin was seen as a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that they could bully, right everybody on Miami Twitter, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>on NBA Twitter said Joe Cronan would have to get fleased.

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<v Speaker 2>Dame Lillard had all the leverage. He had no leverage.

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<v Speaker 1>And now his new nickname is Trader Joe and it's Jover.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it Crover more than I like it's Jover.

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<v Speaker 1>But people are now putting out memes of Joe Cronin

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<v Speaker 1>as Doctor Manhattan, complete with a giant hog.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only did he yeah, that's memes that they're out there,

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<v Speaker 2>they are out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only did he get three firsts, one from Golden

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<v Speaker 1>State in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Four, which could actually be sneaky valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>Draymond Green, which I didn't mention, is out for the

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<v Speaker 1>first month of the season with a sprained ankle. CP

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<v Speaker 1>three old. Who knows what this team's gonna be. They

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<v Speaker 1>also have two first round pickswaps. Also, later in the decade,

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<v Speaker 1>when Giannis is going to be older, Dame's probably not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be there anymore. Brook Lopez will be retired, Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Middleton will have no need, so those pickswaps could be valuable.

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<v Speaker 1>The former number one overall pick in the draft, DeAndre Ayton,

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<v Speaker 1>and two starters from the finals two years ago. He

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<v Speaker 1>still has the opportunity to get even more back because

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<v Speaker 1>there's no chance that Malcolm Brogden plays a second as

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<v Speaker 1>a trailblazer. They're calling Cronin also the Flipper or the Dolphin,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like a shot at Miami because he just

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<v Speaker 1>keeps flipping players for more picks and more players.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like that kid.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a kid who uh started trading with a paper clip,

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<v Speaker 1>ended up with a house.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Joe Cronin. He's gonna be the new Sam Presty.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna take Dame Willard and he's gonna turn him

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<v Speaker 1>into like five starters and seven picks.

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<v Speaker 2>This is better, by the way, than the Donovan Mitchell trade, or.

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<v Speaker 1>At least on par Donovan Mitchell was two first and

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<v Speaker 1>two pick swaps and multiple players.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very much on par with that. You look

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<v Speaker 2>at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Trade and you say, okay, wow, Lori Markinen, oshaiak Boji,

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<v Speaker 1>Colin Sexton, and those were all very young players, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's not the same caliber player. And I love

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<v Speaker 1>Lauri Markining, but he wasn't that player at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got Rob Williams, You've got DeAndre Ayton, and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got too Mani Tomorrow and then they had three first

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<v Speaker 1>round picks twenty seven and twenty twenty nine and two

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<v Speaker 1>pick swats. So really that's basically what it's gonna be.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be equal to that of the Donovan Mitchell trade.

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, Brogden six man of the Year, really

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<v Speaker 1>good defensive presence, and he can shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>Often hurt, a bit moody.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of a some people say, a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a cancer in the clubhouse. Ask a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 1>People get upset when you ask a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I call him a tree shaker, and that might explain

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<v Speaker 1>why he's been passed.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the league quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't make a Brittany Renner joke there, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>where my mind went. What Brogden should bring, most likely

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<v Speaker 1>another first round pick, probably some more young players. Where

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<v Speaker 1>could he end up Probably Miami, but I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>see that they are so damn salty. I wouldn't blame

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<v Speaker 1>Cronin for offering Brogden to Miami for the original.

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<v Speaker 2>Dame Weller deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey give us Tyler Era and a couple of firsts

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<v Speaker 1>late in the decade and we'll see nobody needs a

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<v Speaker 1>point guard guard more than the heat. They also will

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<v Speaker 1>take Lowry off your hands too, how about that. Also, Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 1>they need a point guard as well with the James

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<v Speaker 1>Harden deal being kind of up in the air, and

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<v Speaker 1>Brogden could have a revenge tour against Boston Anyway, What

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<v Speaker 1>a while few days where Portland was in the eye

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<v Speaker 1>of the basketball hurricane and came out smelling like the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Roses.