1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. It's delicious short stuff. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: I'm josh, there's Chuck, Jerry's not here, Dave's not here, 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: but a bunch of pie talk is here. So strap 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: in everybody. Actually I should say, unbuckle everybody. 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: That's right, unbuckle the top button or that belt loop. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: Because this made me want to eat pie. I love pie. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: I think we talked a little bit about pie in 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: our Cake episode, sure about the merits of pie. And 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: of course there's also the great legendary I dare say 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: Paula Tompkins bit on cake versus Pie. 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not sure about that one. 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's from way back in the day. It's a 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: good bit. But pie has been around for way before 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: Paula Tompkins, thousands of years. But it's only in the 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: last couple of few hundred years that it's like what 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: we kind of know is pie. But they had it 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: eight thousand years ago in Egypt if you count kind 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: of a messy semi sweet you know, rustic schmorgasbord of grains. 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: Sure called gallets, right, Yeah, And you said eight thousand 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: years ago, that's not that long after we started domesticating crops, 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: which means that pies were one of the first things 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: we started making when we created agriculture. 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course they used honey as the sweetener 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: back then, and they'd make it over some hot coals. Yeah. 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: And then the Greeks ganged that, didn't they. 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: They did about five thousand years later. They loved taking 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: stuff from the Egyptians and they carried on with golets. 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: They did something that I think is a historic crime. 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: They replaced sweet stuff like honey with meats. I like 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: a good meat pie, but I feel like we had 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: not gotten into sweet pies enough to being from that yet. 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: One of the other things the Greeks did, though, was 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: they created pastry dough like we would think of pastry 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: do today essentially. 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so big lea beforeward their dough. Wise. The Romans 37 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: of course come along next, and they didn't add a 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: whole lot to the technique or tradition. What they did 39 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: was they brought it to Europe, and that's where it 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: really flourished, was when it was in the hands of 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: the Europeans. 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, not just Europe, but like if you look back 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: at dishes from around the world, you're like, oh, that's 44 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: pie that's pie. That's pie. There's something called Sambusa and Ethiopia, 45 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: which is a hand pie. Is obviously impignadas from Spain, 46 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: and then Latin America Hispanic copita in Greece. I've not 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: heard of the Zwiebelkuchen, but I would love to try it. 48 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: It's a savory sweet pie from Germany Schribu Cochin. Yes. 49 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: And then there's tortier from Quebec, which also sounds pretty great. 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: That's a savory meat pie. Like I say, I like 52 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: meat pies. Got no problem with meat pies. Yeah, I 53 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: think that we just we need both. 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, agreed. I mean when I hear the 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: word pie, I immediately think of like a sweet dessert pie. 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: But I love a Jamaican hand pie or a I say, 57 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: And I guess it is impignata, isn't it? 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and pignata. I couldn't find the end with the 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: till day on the insert thing on world, So I 60 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: got you and one other thing, Chuck. Do you remember 61 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: when we were in the UK on tour and I 62 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: got hooked on pork pies? 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Oh my god, those are so good 64 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 2: and I got. 65 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: So bad for you by hats. Yeah, I know you did. 66 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: It was great. I tried to eat that one right 67 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: off my head. 68 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 2: The English, speaking of the English, that's where things really 69 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: got interesting because they were like, man, throw some fish 70 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 2: in that thing. Throw any kind of meat and you want, 71 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: we'll spell it p ye, and we'll also bake those 72 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: bones in there as little handles. 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: Not just the bones, the legs of like a game bird, 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: like a pheasant, would be sticking out and hanging over 75 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: the side of the pie. 76 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, just grab it by grab it by the leg. 77 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, grab that pheasant like a rabbit. 78 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 2: I guess that's no different than just eating a chicken leg. 79 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: That's a little different. I'm talking about like the feet 80 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: here is what I understand. Oh okay, like the whole 81 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: leg down to the toenails is what they left on toenails. 82 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a chicken toenail? 83 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: I haven't looked that closely. I've just always assumed they 84 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: were there. 85 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: They also called them coffins, to f and a y again. 86 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: They love those whys instead of eyes, and of course 87 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: that means box. 88 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's what they were making. There was like 89 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: sturdy walls, a sturdy bottom, a crust over the top, 90 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: and these were actually what the Greeks were basically making 91 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: pies for too. The point of the pie was to 92 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: seal in the juices of like the savory mixture of 93 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: meats and stuff, right, Yeah. It was a way to 94 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: bake a bunch of stuff together and then serve it 95 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: as one thing onto a table. That was the point 96 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: of pies. They didn't care about pastries in medieval England, 97 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: like the actual crust was considered inedible by the rich, 98 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: but the lower classes would eat the pie crust when 99 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: they had to. So they also made pies without tops whatsoever. 100 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: Those are tarts, that's really still call them the day. 101 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Those I think were more pastry edible forward. 102 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right if you're talking about recipes. 103 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: They started appearing in Europe in cookbooks like way back 104 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: in the thirteen hundreds. I think there was a German 105 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: cookbook you dug up from fifteen fifty three. 106 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: I didn't actually look in the cookbook itself. I just 107 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: saw reference to it. 108 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, sorry, that's okay. But they were like, hey, 109 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: you know what you do. You put a little hole 110 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: in the middle of that pie in the lid, and 111 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: you blow in it and puff that thing up and 112 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: then seal it, and that thing looks great on a table. 113 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you will notice from that recipe that means 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: there's nothing inside. They were just baking the pie, an 115 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: empty pie essentially what they were making. And you would say, well, 116 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: that's madness. What's the point of that. There's actually a 117 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 1: trend in England, I think from the fifteenth to maybe 118 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: the eighteenth centuries where you would present, like at a 119 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: royal dinner or something like that, an enormous pie that 120 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: was filled with live things. So you would bake the 121 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: pie pastry and then put the live things in it 122 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: before you served it. And so that's where you know 123 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: that rhyme sing a Song of Sixpence where they talk 124 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: about four and twenty blackbirds baked into a pie. Isn't 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: that a pretty dish to serve before the king or whatever? Yeah, 126 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: that's what they're talking about, is this trend in Europe, 127 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: in royal courts of Europe where you would serve like 128 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: a pie to the king and cut it open and 129 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: all these beautiful birds would fly out, or a string 130 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: ensemble would stand up and start playing. 131 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, if you think you got to have a 132 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: big pie to put a couple of dozen blackbirds in there. 133 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: You weren't kidding about the string ensemble, like they would 134 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: have a pie big enough. What I don't understand is 135 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: how are they Are they not killing these people in birds? 136 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: No, by baking the pie pastry first and then put 137 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: the people in before they served it. That's why you 138 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: would at work, you would. You would take the pie, 139 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: put it together, put the top on, put a hole 140 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: in it, blow in it, close it up. 141 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but how did the people get in there? 142 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: Oh? I'm sure there was like a little door cut 143 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: into the side or something like that. But they anywhere 144 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: near the pie while it was in the oven? 145 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: The pie hatch. 146 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking o pie hatch. The pie hole? 147 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, the pie hole. 148 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: Remember that show? What was it called Better No Pushing 149 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: Up Daisies? That guy, the main protagonist had a pie 150 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: shop called the pie Hole. Oh, that I've told you 151 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: about before. It's such a charming show, Chuck. 152 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: You got to see it, all right, you can get 153 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: along lest for me though, so. 154 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: That one moved that one toward the top. It's just 155 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: a very sweet, neat, cute little show. 156 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: All right. Well, speaking of cute, we'll take a break 157 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: and we'll come back and we'll talk about a few 158 00:07:40,520 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: specific all time great pies right after this. All right, 159 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: we're back. We're gonna mention one, two, three, four, five 160 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: all time great pies. It is for us in real time. 161 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: It's the week before Thanksgiving, a couple of weeks before Thanksgiving. 162 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 1: Hubba hubba. 163 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: So we got to talk about pumpkin pie, which was 164 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: brought to the New World by the colonists on the Mayflower. 165 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: But it's interesting because when they got here Native Americans 166 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: were like, hey, look at these things we got. They're 167 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: called pumpkins. And one day they will invent spices to 168 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: put with these that taste nothing like pumpkins, but you 169 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: will totally associate that with pumpkin. 170 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: Right, and so like the first pumpkin pies were actually 171 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: not pies at all. They were they used the pumpkin 172 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: themselves as basically the pie crust, put in honey and 173 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: spices and stuff like that, and baked it over coles. 174 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Then they ate that. But the thing is you still 175 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: think of like, Okay, well, eventually, like the it got 176 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: figured out in the United States or the English colonies. Right, No, 177 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: that's not the case. Pumpkin pie actually got exported with 178 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: the pumpkins in a couple of decades over to France. 179 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: The first recipe that even mentioned the pumpkin pie, called 180 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: the Pumpy oom Pie, was published in a French cookbook 181 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: by a French chef in sixteen fifty one. And it 182 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't be another few decades, actually another century or so 183 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: before it showed up in a recipe in an American cookbook. 184 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: That's right, in seventeen ninety six. It was in the 185 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: very first American cookbook, in fact, from Amelia Simmons, called 186 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: American Cookery by an American Orphan. And yeah, that pumpkin 187 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: pie was in there, the kind of like the one 188 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: we know it. It was kind of a pumpkin pudding. 189 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: But that's not super unlike pumpkin pie, no. 190 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: Because you baked it in the pie shell. So if 191 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: you ask me, that's pumpkin pie. 192 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: Agreed. 193 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: So pumpkin pies seems pretty American. That's why the French 194 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: thing was so puzzling. But apple pie one hundred percent American. Like, 195 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: don't even come at me with anything else. 196 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: Take it, chuck, Well, buddy, apples don't come from America. 197 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: They're native to Asia. So they were brought over to 198 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: the New World by the colonists. And I think we 199 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: all know that the perfect apple pie is that Dutch 200 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: apple pie, and they're the ones. They were the ogs 201 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: a couple of years, a couple of sorry, a couple 202 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: of hundred years prior to those apples coming over from Asia, 203 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: the Dutch had sort of mastered that apple pie. 204 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: Man. I always assumed it was the nineteen seventies when 205 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: the Dutch finally made Dutch apple pie. No, no, okay, 206 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: all right, So the Dutch had figured out apple pie 207 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: centuries before came to America. So how does the apple 208 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: pie get associated with America? There's a saying over here, everybody, 209 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: if you're not familiar as American as apple pie. Apparently 210 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: that was first used in print in nineteen twenty eight 211 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: to describe first Lady lou Hoover. Herbert Hoover's wife is 212 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: gal So they said that she's as American as apple pie. Okay, 213 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: that's one one way a god associated with it. Another 214 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: one is that apple pie is as American as Mom's 215 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: and baseball. Where did that come from? Where did that 216 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: come from? 217 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: Apparently world War two there was a catchphrase for the 218 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: GI's there when they're like, why why are you going 219 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: off to pop this fight this wall? And they would say, well, sir, 220 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: for mom and apple pie, of course, and. 221 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: They say get out there, boy, that's right, yes for us. 222 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: And if you think that helmet's going to protect you, 223 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: you got another thing coming. 224 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: What else? It was kind of dark, kind of dark 225 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: going from apple pie to that. 226 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, sure we could tell cherry pie briefly, cherry 227 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: pie is not my favorite pie, but all up for 228 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: pumpkin or apple or certainly key lime, which we'll get 229 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 2: to before cherry pie. But I'll lead a piece of 230 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: cherry pie with some ice cream if you got it 231 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: for me. 232 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as it's not sour like a good 233 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: cherry pie in the vein of a good apple pie, 234 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: I think is excellent stuff. 235 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. And House of Pies in Los Felis and Los Angeles, 236 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: a neighborhood where I lived, had all kinds of great pies. 237 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: But like, I want like a warm cherry pie. I 238 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: don't want like the cold one that where that jelly 239 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 2: has sort of you know, I don't like it cold. 240 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: No, That's what I'm saying. If you, if you make 241 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: it and serve it like you would a good piece 242 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: of apple pie. It's okod Yeah, I'm with you one 243 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: hundred percent. 244 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: Okay, but that one, Apparently, the first cherry pie was 245 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: either created for Queen Elizabeth First in the sixteenth century 246 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: or buy her. 247 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the oldest pies that is still 248 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: around today. Apparently. 249 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's next. 250 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: Boston cream Pie is worth a mention. You might be like, 251 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: it's not even a pie, that's basically a layer cake. 252 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: You're right, but we wanted to explain where that came from. 253 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever had Boston cream pie. 254 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't either. I was like, okay, we got to 255 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: do Boston cream pie. And then I was like, oh, 256 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: this is a little more interesting than I thought, because 257 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: it turns out Boston cream Pie is a cake. It's 258 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: not a pie in any sense soever. The reason it's 259 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: called Boston cream Pie is because it's based on another 260 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: recipe called Washington Pie. And Washington Pie was the same 261 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: thing as a Boston cream pie cake baked in a 262 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: pie crust, so a cake and a pie crust, and 263 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: then eventually the Boston cream Pie came along. They did 264 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: away with the crust, but they kept the name pie, 265 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: which is why Boston cream Pie is called pie even 266 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: though it's a cake. 267 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: That's right. And notably, it was invented for the opening 268 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: the grand opening of the Parker House Hotel in eighteen 269 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: fifty six, which has got to be where Parker House 270 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: rolls come from. Right. 271 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never heard of them before. 272 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: But let's say, yeah, you've never heard of Parker House rolls. 273 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: I've heard of cider house rules, but. 274 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: Parker House rolls are one of the best things in 275 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: the world. You know them if you've seen them, Okay, 276 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: and in like a lot of it's become trendy in 277 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: recent years at like a nice restaurant will serve you 278 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: Parker House rolls in like a little four baked in 279 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: a four pack for the table. 280 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: It sounds like King's Hawaiian kind of. 281 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: Well, they kind of are. They kind of look like 282 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: that Kings Hawaiian. I think is a the Hawaiian sweet 283 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: version of Parker House role. 284 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: They just probably had those then. Yeah. 285 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, big beautiful, flaky like buttery with a little sea 286 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: salt on top. Man, it's the best thing ever. 287 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: Very nice. Yeah. Uh, I've actually stayed in the Parker house. 288 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: It's an omni hotel. 289 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: And they didn't throw a roll at your face when 290 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: you walked in. 291 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: Not that I saw no. Actually, one of the only 292 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: times I was ever worried about getting Legioneer's disease when 293 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: I stayed there. And then let's move on to key 294 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: Lime Pie, because this is the pride of Florida. If 295 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: you never had a slice of key lime pie, you're 296 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: you're you're cheating yourself essentially. Just get your hands on one. 297 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: It's it's one of my top two pies for me. 298 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: Agreed a lot like that. 299 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: Crumbly Apple probably. 300 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: I like that too, style that one. 301 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Pecan pi, Yeah, those are my top three. Pecan pie, 302 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: Dutch Apple, and key lime. 303 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so key Lime One of the great things about 304 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: it is, I mean, I don't want to say, like, 305 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: if you walk into a seven to eleven and by 306 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: a slice of key lime pie there, it's going to 307 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: be as good as one that you get in the 308 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: Florida Keys. But they're so similar to one another, and 309 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: there's a specific way to make it that it's not 310 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: that far off. You're still kind of treating yourself. So 311 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: go out and get some key lime pie. You don't 312 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: have to be a purist, but if you are a 313 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: purist and you want to know where it comes from. Supposedly, 314 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: the local lore is that a woman only known as 315 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: Aunt Sally made them in the late nineteenth century down 316 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: in Key West at the Curry House, which was the 317 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: estate of Florida's first millionaire, William Curry. So you know, 318 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: he was important and really good guy. But she came 319 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: up with this as a recipe that she adapted from 320 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: local Key West fishermen, that they had come up with 321 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: it themselves. 322 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one story. Another is that they came later 323 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: than that, And I think they were supposedly adapted from 324 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: a recipe from New York for magic lemon cream pies 325 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: that the Condensed Milk Company put out in the nineteen thirties. 326 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: But some people say no, it was actually the opposite. 327 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: They got that magic lemon cream pie from the Key 328 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: Lime Pie and kind of stole it. Even though hats 329 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: off to your bord and condensed milk, that stuff is 330 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: the best. 331 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah again, I want to shout out the Ube condensed milk. 332 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: It's not bored and I don't remember who makes it, 333 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: but oh my god, it's seriously you'll never taste anything 334 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: that has a better taste than that. 335 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: I'm going to move on to that. For my family, 336 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: my grandmother made it was called that lemon ice box pie. 337 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those are great. 338 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's sort of the same thing as a key 339 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: lime pie, but just with lemon in that it doesn't 340 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: have meringue, Like, why would you want to ruin a 341 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: lemon pie by putting a meringue on it? 342 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: Oh no, I can go either way with that. 343 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: Not mine. 344 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: I'd rather replace it with ready whip though. 345 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: Oh well about you're talking? 346 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: Okay, everybody. I think it's pretty obvious that we are 347 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: going to immediately go start eating pie after recording this. 348 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: We hope you go enjoy some pie too. 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