1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's going to question that guy's competitiveness 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: or its toughness or anything like that. I think it 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: is a matter of having so many innings, having so 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: much mileage on an arm like that. 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to the live edition of Fair 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: Territory with Ken Rosenthal. As you can see, the man 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: of the hour is not with us. Ken Rosenthal takes 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: two weeks of vacation in the year, and this happens 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: to be one of them. But that is okay. We 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: have his quote unquote understudy with us. Britt Jeroli kind 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 2: enough to join us on Fair Territory today. She's a 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: senior writer for The Athletic covering all things Major League Baseball. 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: She has covered the sport in so many different capacities 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: over the course of the last two decades. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: Britt, thank you so much for being with us. I 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: appreciate it very much. Good to see you. 17 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you as well. I'm like a taller, 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: less informed version of Ken, so hopefully I can answer 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: some of these questions here today. 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Now, speaking of that, make sure you load up the chain. 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: We're gonna grill Brett Jioli here momentarily, so get those 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: questions into the chat. Don't forget to rate us five stars. 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: Subscribe like us everywhere that you get your podcasts as 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: well as on YouTube. We appreciate you guys very much 25 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: being here. Get involved in the conversation, all right, Britt, 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: So let's talk about the fact that we're about two 27 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: months away from postseason play. A lot of division races 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 2: are pretty evident. But as we get into the lead here, 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: let's talk about the one division race that is most 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 2: intriguing to you as far as who's at the top. 31 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's obviously pretty much intrigue everywhere, Alana, But 32 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: for me, I think you have to go with the 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: al West. I mean to look at it's the only 34 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: division right now that is under four and a half games, 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: the Mariners, the Astros. If you look at fangrafts playoff 36 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: odds in terms of winning the division, it is the 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: most evenly split. Even Fangrafts can't really figure it out. 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: They give us slight edge right now to Seattle at 39 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: fifty one percent, the Astros hovering in the mid forties. 40 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: So really, this seems like a coin flip, and it 41 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: might be our only legitimate postseason divisional race. Where we're 42 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: sitting there wondering late in September, who is going to win. 43 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: I think anybody who wanted to count out the Astro 44 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: should learn from last year that that can never be 45 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: the case. Texas should have won that division last year. 46 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: Houston came roaring back to take it right at the 47 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: end of the season. This is going to be a dogfight. 48 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: Even with the big news out of Houston yesterday that 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: Lance mccullors Junior is not going to pitch this season. 50 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: Houston has had just a incredible amount of pitching injuries. 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: They have a lot of question marks in that roster, 52 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: and yet they're still here hanging on. And I don't 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: think it would surprise anyone if they win the AL 54 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: West again. 55 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: All Right, So the Orioles and the Mariners are intriguing 56 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: to you, what do both of those clubs need to do. 57 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: Brittany to get over the hump. 58 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: Well, for the Orioles, I think what they're going to 59 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: have to do is prove that the acquisitions they made 60 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: are enough. Now, Zach Efflyn, people kind of forgot Alana 61 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: that the Ools got him because he wasn't on the 62 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: trade deadline. He wasn't the day before that trade with 63 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: the tampe Rays was consummated earlier in the week. But 64 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: what it does is it makes the Oriols playoff for 65 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: rotation so much stronger. You're now looking at Corbyn, Burns, 66 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Grace and Rodriguez zach Eflin as that trio. You really 67 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: can get by with only three starters in the playoffs, 68 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: as we've seen. It slots everybody else down further and 69 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: it makes their bullpen stronger. So I think for the 70 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: Orioles having Efflyn and then the promotion of two young 71 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: stars Jackson Holiday who hit his first career home run 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: a Grand Slam over the weekend, in Kobe Mayo, who 73 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: is promoted in the wake of the injury to Jordan Westbrook. 74 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Holiday, he just looks so 75 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: much more confident than he did in his first go round. 76 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: And he said it, you know, the day he got 77 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: called up, I was in that clubhouse. He talked about 78 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: how important it was for him to go down there 79 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: and learn the confidence and learn the poise and learn 80 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: that he is not going to be the best player 81 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: in the big leagues for the first time in his life. 82 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: He's not going to be the best player right away. 83 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: At this level, so I think that experience really humbled him, 84 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: and he's a huge addition for them down the stretch 85 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: as well. So I think the Oils are in a 86 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: very good decision in terms of depth and overall strength 87 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: of that roster. 88 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Orioles have a bright future. Certainly. 89 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: Nobody knows that team better than you do, with the 90 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: time that you spent covering not only the O's, but 91 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: of course the Nationals in DC as well. 92 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: When you look at the. 93 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: Mariners Brittany, they added, of course Randy Rose Arena from 94 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Rays, added a veteran bat and a 95 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: clubhouse leader in Justin Turner. We knew that they had 96 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: good starting pitching. Is the offense now enough for the 97 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: ms to make it to the postseason? 98 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? I liked o rose Reina. I thought he was 99 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: one of the more underrated moves of the deadline. He 100 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: gives them a little swagger, he gives them some spirit, 101 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: and he injects that lineup with, as you said, a 102 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: little bit of power, a little bit of swag, and 103 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: they have been missing that. So I do think it 104 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: is enough for them right now. I mean, if it's not, 105 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: you really can't make a whole lot of moves. As 106 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: we sit here right now, you know, these teams are 107 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: pretty much it. Barring reinforcements in the minor leagues of 108 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: waiver clans here and there, this is pretty much it. 109 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: So I like what Seattle did I think those two 110 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: auditions Justin Turner? I know, is it super exciting when 111 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: you look at his stats and his age and all 112 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: those factors. But as you know, Alana having covered him 113 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: with the Dodgers, this is a guy who's played in 114 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: big games, in big moments, who has been part of 115 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: winning teams, who has rings, and I think that experience, 116 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: having that on a roster matters. So I think that 117 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: is certainly going to be an addition for the Mariners 118 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: in that clubhouse. 119 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, the intangible that Justin Turner brings is absolutely huge. 120 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: You can't quantify what he means to that clubhouse. Okay, 121 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: so the Orioles and the Mariners are intriguing. They're going 122 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: to probably go to the postseason. We shall see a 123 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: team that's not grit Jioli is the Chicago White Sox. 124 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: And I tell you what, my friend, it is very 125 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: difficult to rattle off a twenty one game winning streak. 126 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: It is even probably more difficult to be so bad 127 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: that you are at risk of losing twenty one games 128 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: in a row. They could tie the Baltimore Orioles for 129 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: the worst record as far as losses in a row 130 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 2: in American League history. 131 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: What does this team need to do? 132 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: Oh? Well, all mine is change ownership, which I think 133 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: is probably the biggest thing. You know, the real steady 134 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: constant here over a long stretch of futility. Alanna, I mean, 135 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: we all know manager Patrick Graffall is living day to day. 136 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: He could be fired at any moment. But anyone who 137 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: thinks this problem is just in the dugout is not 138 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: paying attention. 139 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 3: For me. 140 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: This problem started in the not even off season, because 141 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: as soon as they fired rickhon and Kenny Williams, who 142 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: had been such mainstays in the organization, they really didn't 143 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: do a GM search. Instead, they promoted farm director Chris Getz, 144 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: who was a very nice guy. You know, is well 145 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: liked by his peers and may grow into that role. 146 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: But I don't think it was the right time to 147 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: hire someone internal for an organization that clearly needs a 148 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: complete and overhaul, and we haven't seen that, and we're 149 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: not going to see that. So I don't think there's 150 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: a whole lot of hope. I think, you know, they 151 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: could have gotten more for Eric Fetti at the deadline. 152 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: You know they didn't trade Garrett Crochet. That situation got bungled. 153 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: It seems it's like at almost every turn it doesn't 154 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: go right for the White Sox. And I had this 155 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: conversation about a week ago with the NL executive and 156 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: we were discussing not if Triple A teams could beat 157 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: the White Sox right now, but how many Triple A 158 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: teams could beat the White Sox. So it's just not 159 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: something you see in the big leagues. Is this long 160 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: of a stretch of futility. As you mentioned, they are 161 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: in precarious territory, they're in history nobody wants to make. 162 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I don't think there's a whole lot of 163 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: answers unless somebody wakes up Jerry Reinsdorf and says we 164 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: need a shakeup. Can you step aside, Can you agree 165 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: to hire someone that you don't know, Can you hire 166 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: an outsider? Can we become a place that isn't this 167 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: insular culture where we're constantly promoting from within and we 168 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: aeskew outside ideas. Can we be a place where we 169 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: like welcome outside ideas, because whatever they are doing, I 170 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: don't see how anybody thinks it's even remotely working. So 171 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: the definition of insanity is doing that same thing over 172 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: and over again. That is the Chicago White Sox right now. 173 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder if Jerry Reinstorf is just loyal 174 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: to a fault. And it's an interesting dynamic too, brit 175 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: considering that Chris gets as the director of the farm 176 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: system and being responsible for developing those players. Now those 177 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: same players that he was developing as the GM they're 178 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: not producing. I mean, how do you wrap your brain 179 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: around that? How do you, you know, justify what's happening there? 180 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: Right? And it wasn't like they were a well regarded 181 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: farm system. It wasn't like they were the Orioles Farm 182 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: System and people had all this faith, so you know, 183 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: it was almost like, as you said, loyal to a 184 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: fault is probably a good way to describe the ownership 185 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: situation there. I know people who have tried to interview 186 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: for positions that are told like, you can't get this job. 187 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: You're not going to get hired. He doesn't know you 188 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: you didn't come from here, you know. And to his credit, 189 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: Chris Getz has brought in some outsiders into that front office. 190 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's enough, and I don't think 191 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: it is the like I said, cultural overhaul that's absolutely 192 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: needed in that organization. So, you know, it doesn't make 193 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense to do what they did, 194 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: to not even look at the candidates around the league 195 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: that could maybe be gms. There's a lot of people 196 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: who are in special assistant roles who used to be gms, 197 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: and they just said, you know what we're going to do. 198 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: We're going to promote the guy who has had an 199 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: underwhelming farm system for years, and that this is basically 200 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of how it's going. And nobody should be surprised 201 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: with the product on the field and the product that's 202 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: probably coming. You know, they just are not a well 203 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: run organization as we sit here at this juncture. 204 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sunday was another day for the White Sox, which 205 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: meant another loss. John Gredenberg tweeting the Red Sox excuse me, 206 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: the Socks rather are now coming up on the Major 207 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: League Baseball record for consecutive losses along with the season record. 208 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: What a mess? That is an understatement. Okay, the Texas 209 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: Rangers obviously the reigning World Series champions, they are not 210 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: a top of the Al West as we sit here 211 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: right now. That's between the Mariners, of course, and the 212 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: Houston Astros. The Astros and the Rangers start a series 213 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: today in Arlington. Is it time to panic in Texas sprit? 214 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: Do they make the post season? 215 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: I say no, Alana. I mean they were one of 216 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: Texas was one of those two teams that other teams 217 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: were complaining about leading up to the trade deadline because 218 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: they still weren't clear what they were going to do. 219 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: And obviously, if Texas had been sellers, it would have 220 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: changed the complexity of the deadline. You know, Nathany Ivaldi 221 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: could have been a guy that would have helped kind 222 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: of a starting pitching market that didn't have a whole lot. 223 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: It would have maybe changed the complexion to have some 224 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: of those players available. But you look at the Rangers now, 225 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: they're down to six percent playoff odds. They're pitching has 226 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: been decimated by injury after injury. Max Scherzer is the 227 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: guy who can't stay health and keeps coming back. And 228 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: then we get the news that Evan Carter likely done 229 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: for the year with a back injury that's been bothering 230 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: him on and off. We haven't had the chance to 231 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: see what he could do following an absolutely terrific playoff 232 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: run in helping them win the World Series last year. 233 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: So I don't see how Texas climbs out of this. 234 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: They've just been too erratic, They've been dealt too many injuries, 235 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: and I think they're going to look back at that 236 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: deadline and wished ultimately that they had been sellers because 237 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: it was such a good time to be sellers and 238 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: to reload your club rather quickly. 239 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 2: Now Michael Lorenzen is gone, obviously, Max Scherzer is back 240 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: on the IL dealing with some arm fatigue. John Gray 241 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: is on the IL. I still questioned why they didn't 242 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: sign Jordan Montgomery back. It's not just necessarily on the 243 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: Rangers side. It's two sides to each equation. But what 244 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: do you make of Scherzer in terms of I mean 245 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: a lot of folks think he's head to Cooperstown. I 246 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: happen to be one of those people, But it does 247 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: seem that when they need him the most, whether it's 248 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: to get into the postseason or to pitch in the postseason. 249 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: He just doesn't seem to be able to stand up healthwise. 250 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is tough. I also agree he's going 251 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. And I covered him very 252 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: closely when he was part of the Nationals during their 253 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen World Series championship. And I think the thing 254 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: with Scherzer, who's forty years old, just turned forty, is 255 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: his mind is still there, that tenacity is still there. 256 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: But because he is such a max effort and this 257 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: guy is grunting in the first inning, this guy's grunting 258 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: throwing bullpens in spring training, I think what's starting to 259 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: happen now is his body is failing him. He's breaking 260 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: down years of that max effort of pitching in playoffs, 261 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: of pitching hurt, of gutting things out. He couldn't move 262 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: his neck the morning he pitched in the World Series 263 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. I think eventually, Alana, as you and 264 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: I both know, you wake up and you're not twenty 265 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: one years old anymore, and you know these little aches 266 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: and pains have become like I can't get out of 267 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: bed right, Like I get it, Max, you know, like 268 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm not forty yet, but I get it. Things are 269 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: hurting that never used to hurt. So I think that's 270 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: the problem. I don't think anyone's going to question that 271 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: guy's competitiveness or his toughness or anything like that. I 272 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: think it is a matter of having so many innings, 273 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: having so much mileage on an arm like that. This 274 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: is a guy who's got three thousand strikeouts. He is 275 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: going to be in Cooperstown, but he has a lot 276 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: of baseball on that arm, and I don't know how 277 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: much baseball he has left on that arm. As angry 278 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: as he would be to hear me say that, because 279 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: nothing is scarier Ilana than asking Max Schurzer about his 280 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: age and him maybe maybe regressing a little terrifying. 281 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see your mac Shuzer, and I raise you 282 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: Clayton Kershaw. I can completely understand where you're coming from. 283 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: And by the way, forty for me was in the 284 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: rear view mirror a long long time ago. So Max Schreser, 285 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: I feel your paint. 286 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: Okay. 287 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: Another interesting series beginning today in Los Angeles, brit Jeroli 288 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: is the Los Angeles Dodgers in the Philadelphia Phillies. There's 289 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: not a lot of series over the course of the 290 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: year that I kind of circle like, hey, this is intriguing, 291 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: this is interesting. The Dodgers and Yankees was one of 292 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: those series, and obviously the Phillies and the Dodgers in Philadelphia, 293 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: where Philly played really well, LA did not. And now 294 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: perhaps some payback opportunity, but the Dodgers are banged up. 295 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: First question for you, are you buying the Phillies are 296 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 2: as good as we think they are? 297 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: I am Alana. I mean every year this happens. A 298 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: team who's played well for three months of the year 299 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: has a bad week ten days and people are like, 300 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,599 Speaker 1: oh god, you know this happens over the course of 301 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty two game season. There are variables, 302 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: and the Phillies were actually playing pretty good if you 303 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: were watching some of those games. They just weren't getting 304 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: any breaks, any bounces, nothing was going their way. Now 305 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: Brandon marsh makes a ridiculous catch in Sunday's finale against 306 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: the Mariners, and that could be something they win that 307 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: game that turns them right around the right way. And 308 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: they have too many veterans, they have too many stars 309 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: in my mind, to all of a sudden fall apart. 310 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: I don't see a collapse coming. I also look at 311 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: the Braves, who have their own issues of inconsistency, and 312 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: don't see the Braves having a run in them. Similar 313 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: to what they did to the Mets a year or 314 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: two ago, where the Mets did collapse, they couldn't win, 315 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: and the Braves did steal the division. I don't see 316 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: that coming With the rest of the NL East. I 317 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: still think it's Phillies Division to lose, even though that 318 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: lead has been pretty much cut half because of the Phillies' 319 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: recent swoon here. 320 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: I agree with you on that the Phillies, and you 321 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: look at two when you think of the first two series, 322 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: or the first series rather in the postseason, not the 323 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: wild Card, but the. 324 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: Five game series. 325 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you just need three really good starters, and 326 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: I think with Nola, Wheeler and Suarez they have that. 327 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: They added a couple of bullpen pieces. Is this as 328 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: complete of a team as we have in the Biggs 329 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: right now? 330 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: It might be. I mean, when they're good, they're really good, 331 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: and we saw that for most of the season right 332 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: I think recency bias in baseball is such a terrible 333 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: thing because you see some of these holes exposed and 334 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, no, trade deadline is gone. Did the 335 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: Phillies do enough? You know, because they kind of they 336 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: made some trades with the Orioles. They kind of tried 337 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: to thread the needle because there weren't many teams that 338 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: were true sellers, and I think they did. I think 339 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: this team is built to world win the World Series. 340 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: This team also has the experience as I mentioned, you know, 341 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: with guys like Harper and Trey Turner. I mean, this 342 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: is a team that has been there, that has done that, 343 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: and feels like they are the best team in baseball. 344 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: And you really get that sense when you're around them 345 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: and you're in that clubhouse. So I do think for me, 346 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: if you were to tell me the Phillies are in 347 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: the World Series as we sit here today, that would 348 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: not surprise me one bit. I think they are absolutely juggernaut, 349 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: especially when those guys are playing well. And Bryce Harper 350 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: hits very well historically in LA. You know, he really 351 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: turns it on in those big moments, and I have 352 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: no doubt as we get down the stretch he's. 353 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: Going to turn it on. 354 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Congratulations to Bryce Harper on a recent milestone as well. 355 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy that I would run 356 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: through a wall for Bryce Harper, I've always enjoyed him. 357 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: He's exceeded expectations coming up as a nineteen year old phenom, 358 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: and nobody has embraced their city and their team more 359 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: than Bryce Harper has embraced the city of Philadelphia and 360 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: the culture and the fan base and everything that that 361 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: place represents. On the other side of that equation, britt 362 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: is the Los Angeles Dodgers, the team obviously I covered 363 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: intimately for seven seasons. They are getting some reinforcements as 364 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: far as guys coming off of injury. I just don't 365 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: know if the Dodgers are as good, Brittany, as I 366 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: want them to be. 367 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well you would know better than me, Alana. 368 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: I look at their roster now, and there's so much 369 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: red ink for all their il stins that it looks 370 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: like one of my like math exams, you know, It's 371 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: just like my God, they are missing so many guys still, 372 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: and I do kind of think, as you see this 373 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: sweet from Fabi on Ardaya, they are getting healthier. Freddie 374 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: Freeman could rejoin them either today or tomorrow. I remember 375 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: when I covered the Nats in nineteen and they had 376 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Rendon and Trey Turner on the IL. Mike Rizzo said, 377 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: that's a lot of war we're missing. Well, that is 378 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: a lot of war that the Dodgers are missing. So simply, 379 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: I think they're as good as we think. They just 380 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: need to get healthy and stay healthy. And their bullpen, 381 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: of course, had a really brutal stretch before showing some 382 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: encouraging signs over the weekend. They can't have a six 383 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: ra that's not going to get the job done. But 384 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: I think getting back Mookie Bets, I mean, let's talk 385 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: about in addition to the team, I mean that alone 386 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: could be enough to kind of widen the race here 387 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: between them and the Padres. I also think we're not 388 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: giving San Diego enough credit. The Padres went out, they 389 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: turbo charged that bullpen by adding the best closer in 390 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: Tanner Scott, by adding Jason Adam from Tampa Bay. They 391 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: add that to a bullpen that was already pretty good, 392 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: and they are playing at a very high clip as well, 393 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: and that's enabled them to kind of keep the Dodgers 394 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: within striking distance. I don't think that division is over 395 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: by any means. I think San Diego is playing with 396 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: a lot of confidence, a lot of bravado, and that team, 397 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: when healthy is also incredibly dangerous. 398 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they don't even have Fernando Tatist Junior right now, 399 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: a four and a half game discrepancy in the division. There, 400 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: they are playing way too good for my liking, and 401 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: they're giving me adjita the San Diego padres are. I 402 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: continue to load up the chat for questions from four Bread, 403 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 2: I should say, fouled territory. Send your questions in for 404 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: myself and for Brittany. I'm throwing you a curveball here 405 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: that we didn't talk about this earlier. Nick, hang on them, 406 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 2: get right back to you, my friend, when Molki Betts 407 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: comes back. I had the theory on Dodgers' territory, which 408 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: is also coming up later this afternoon, that you put 409 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: Mooki in center, that you have enough infielders middle infielders, 410 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: I think to give them what they need it short, 411 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: would you put taoscar and right Mooky in center and 412 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: have Kevin and left Kevin Kiermaier. 413 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's not a bad idea because also, as 414 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned, the trade, it for so many utility infielders, 415 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: guys like Tommy Edmond who could come like pretty quick 416 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: as well from all the reports that I've seen, So 417 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. I mean, I think 418 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: anywhere you put Bookie Vats, he's gonna be an upgrade. 419 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: I just want to bag the lineup. The guy can 420 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: dh and it's still a huge deal for the Dodgers. 421 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: But I like your idea. I'm gonna trust you on 422 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: this because you know more about kind of the jigsaw 423 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: puzzle that is the Dodgers team this year, right, Like 424 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: they just keep trying to like move pieces and parts around, 425 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: and some of these guys, like Dave Roberts said, have 426 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: gotten exposed as a result of this. But I do 427 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: like that formation, and I think adding the guys they 428 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: added at the deadline, it makes a lot of sense 429 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: to not worry so much about a position like third 430 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: base because you can easily plug a guy like Edmund 431 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: in there. 432 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about that. 433 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: Jack Flaherty had a nice debut as a Dodger as well, 434 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's easy for me to spend people's money 435 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: and put them more. I think they need to be defensively. 436 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean I have any idea what I am doing. 437 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to the question from Nick 438 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: here on Grill and britt as we continue with foul Territory, 439 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: Nick said, yeah, Freeman's coming back too, and yes, thank goodness. 440 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: And the reason Freddie Freeman, of course was out of 441 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: the lineup and out of pocket, was because his son 442 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: Maximus was dealing with some very serious medical issues and 443 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 2: he and his wife Chelsea were dealing with getting Maximus healthy. 444 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: And he is back at home. He has to relearn 445 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 3: how to walk, which is a little crazy, but the 446 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: three year old is doing great. So when you get 447 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: a guy like Freddy. 448 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: Freeman back, Brittany, and it allows you to kind of 449 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: lengthen your lineup the way it needs to be and 450 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: put people back where they're supposed to be. Can we 451 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 2: even quantify what a guy who I think is going 452 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 2: to be a Hall of Famer as well can mean 453 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: to a club. 454 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, and I agree with you. 455 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: I think Freddy Freeman is among that group wtures are 456 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: of next guys in Cooperstown. I think what it does 457 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: in the immediacy is it takes guys who shouldn't be 458 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: playing every day and they're not playing, you know, I mean, 459 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: they had so many guys like Vigio who shouldn't be 460 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: getting these regular baths for the Los Angeles Dodgers that 461 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: were in that lineup. So having Freddy Freeman back in, 462 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: I think getting Will Smith going and then Max Munsey 463 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: who shouldn't be that far behind. If what I'm read 464 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: is correct, these are things that are going to elevate 465 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: that lineup. Freddy Freeman is such a huge presence in 466 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: the lineup also in the clubhouse as well, that I 467 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: think obviously he's going to be a huge boost. And 468 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: when you add Mooki, bets like this is a team 469 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: that by mid September may not be on all cylinders 470 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: a lot up, but is on enough cylinders to be 471 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: that dangerous Dodgers team that we all were like, oh 472 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: my in December, like, oh my god, how is anyone 473 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: going to compete with this team? Right? We might finally 474 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: start to see shades of that team in the next 475 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: two to three weeks. 476 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because Mooki on one cylinder is better 477 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: than most people on all of them. Here's a question, 478 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: do you think Sho hey o Tani Britt gets into 479 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: the fifty to fifty club the reason he's already past 480 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: thirty thirties, thirty one home runs, thirty five stolen bases, 481 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: I believe, But will he get to fifty to fifty 482 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: this season? I mean, it's only August fifth, there's a 483 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: you know, there's two whole months of the season left. 484 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: That is tricky. I think he may hit that in homers, 485 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: the stolen bases. I wonder if he starts to save 486 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: his legs and save you know, guys get real worried 487 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: when they know they're going to the playoffs. And again, 488 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: we get to that early to mid September stretch and 489 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, let's say, have increased their division, lead to 490 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: eight games. Show, Heyotani going for the extra bag all 491 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: the time? Is it that important? Those are things I 492 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: don't know if it is. I certainly think he has 493 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: the capability and the time to do it. But I 494 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: wonder if once he gets to forty, you know, he 495 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: starts to slow down. He thinks about, Hey, we could 496 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: be playing until November with this team. Here, do I 497 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: need to try to get that extra bag? So I'm 498 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: going to go with no. I do think he hits 499 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: that in home runs, but I think he probably caps 500 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: out somewhere in the early forties when it comes to 501 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: stolen bases solely because of workload and things like that. 502 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: He's such a guy that's so in tune to his body, 503 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: and it would be absolutely horrible if we didn't see 504 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: Otani in the playoffs because he pulled a handy sliding 505 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: into second base. 506 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: Oh don't say. 507 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: That, No putting it out there, please, yeah, reverse jigs, 508 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: Please do not put that mess out into the universe. 509 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 3: Bridge Aroly. 510 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 2: All right, this is from armand Mets, Dbacks or Cardinals. 511 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 2: Which team do you believe has the legitimate run at 512 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: that final wildcard spot? 513 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 3: They're all pretty close. 514 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: They are close. I'm gonna go with the Mets. I 515 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: think that they've been. They were counted out so far 516 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: out in May. Then they rally, you know, Grimace, the 517 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: whole Grimace thing, and all of a sudden they're playing 518 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: really well. I really like what David Stearns did and 519 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: remaking their bullpen at the trade deadline without really giving 520 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: up much. I think they're a team that really centers 521 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: on one guy, and that's Pete Alonzo, who has not 522 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: been the pee Alonzo that we've seen in seasons past. 523 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: Is staring down the barrel of free agency in just 524 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, a little over two months or so, and 525 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: you know he's gonna have to play for a big contract. 526 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: So I think now that it's hot, it's humid, the 527 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: ball is flying out in a lot of ballparks. If 528 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo can get on a tear, he has the ability, 529 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: in my mind, Alana, to change the complexion of the Mets, 530 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: to give them that boost they need in the wildcard race. 531 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: I love what the Cardinals did at the deadline. I 532 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: think we saw last year that you can't count out Arizona. 533 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: But I think what the Mets have done, as long 534 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: as they're starting pitching, holds up because that has been 535 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: really a threadbare staff for most of the year. Codeai 536 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: Sanga is out. We don't know if he's returning. Christian 537 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: Scott is a guy that maybe can return at some 538 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: point during the season. We're not positive. But I think 539 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: the Mets, if Peede Alonzo gets going, could be a 540 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: team that kind of stumbles in and surprises a lot 541 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: of people. 542 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: And honestly, I'm glad that peed Alonzo is still a 543 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: homegrown product. I think he wants to finish his career 544 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 2: in a Met uniform. I would be happy at that 545 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: all right, don't go anywhere, britt Jeroli, We're coming back 546 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 2: right after. 547 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 3: A word from Scott Braun and aerokrats. 548 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: Big shout out to America's number one meal kit, Hello Fresh, 549 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 4: for helping us eat good during this busy time of 550 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 4: the year for us. 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Thanks for being part of the show. 574 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 3: All right. 575 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: I haven't talked to you, Brittany since the trade deadline 576 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: has come and gone. 577 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: Was there anything that really kind of stood out to you? 578 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 2: I mean, there was only really eight teams that were 579 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: sellers because there's so many people in the mix. And 580 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: I only think that there's two guys that perhaps would 581 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: have changed the landscape of the postseason picture, neither of 582 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: which were traded, Blake Snell and Trek Scooble. 583 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: What was your biggest takeaway? 584 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was basically that a lot of that I 585 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: think we saw like the equivalent of a lot of 586 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: empty calories. We saw teams get better in the margins 587 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: and it looked like, wow, you know you're sitting there, 588 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: you know, the hours before six o'clock Eastern, and there 589 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: were so many moves flying back and forth like I'd 590 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: be texting about one move and three more would come across. 591 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: But then at the end of the day, when the 592 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: dust settled, you realized that not a whole lot happened. 593 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: But I think what that did, because nobody stood out, 594 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: is it kind of made everything still the same. People 595 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: have been asking me, did the Yankees do enough? 596 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 4: You know? 597 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: And they got Jazz Chisholm, and I think that boosted 598 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: their whole lineup from the get go. You saw how 599 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: good he did out of the gate. He has looked 600 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: like a guy that has enjoyed the limelight in New York. 601 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: And yes, they didn't get a starting picture, but you 602 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: look at the Orioles and they didn't make this huge 603 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: splash either. So you know, they got Flynn and as 604 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: I said, they got a little bit better in terms 605 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: of depth of that roster. So I think that's the 606 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: story to me of this trade deadline, is that nobody 607 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: was like this clear winner pushing chips in acquiring these superstars. 608 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: There was no Jan Sodo being dealt, you know, even 609 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: a Max Schers or Justin Verlander that we saw with 610 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: the Mets sell off. I think the White Sox missed 611 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: an opportunity to get a lot better. But other than that, 612 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: I think what this did was pretty much neutralized the 613 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: playing field. Nobody is now looking at a marketedly better team. 614 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: Cleveland is still in first, not because they did so 615 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: much at the deadline, Alana, but because Minnesota went out 616 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: and simply added one reliever, so you know, they could 617 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: get away with that because of the way everybody else acted. 618 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: So those were my takeaways from this trade deadline. I 619 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: thought Cleveland didn't do enough, and then I looked at 620 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: what Minnesota did and it was like, well, it almost 621 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: doesn't matter because nobody made a splash. 622 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: And you really have an interesting perspective too, because you 623 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: recently wrote Brittany in The Athletic. 624 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 3: About perhaps moving the tre deadline. 625 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: I know, on one side of the fence, people are 626 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: like absolutely, On the other side of the fence, they're 627 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: like absolutely not. 628 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: What were your findings? 629 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I initially was on team move it back, 630 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: and then the more I looked into this a lot 631 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: of the more I was like, wait, if anything, we 632 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: should move it forward now. I mean, what we're doing 633 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: is we're forcing gms to make a decision about their teams, 634 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: which you know, gms don't like things that involve risk, 635 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: which is why you see so many teams now not 636 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: go all in. You don't see a whole lot of 637 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: these blockbuster moves because front offices just want to get 638 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: better in those margins. You know, they look at their 639 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: risk assessment and their models and they're very hesitant. So 640 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: I think if you pushed it back even later, it 641 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: would make their jobs easier, It would make the decisions clear. 642 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: What you get by having it now is you have 643 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: so many fan bases wondering, like the Tigers and the Rangers, 644 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: are we in? Are we out? Are we upgrading? You know, 645 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: you get these fan bases like you mentioned the Cardinals, 646 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, the Mets. They're making tiny moves, but it's 647 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: enough for fans to feel engaged because of that third 648 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: wildcard that these small moves could be enough. I mean, 649 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: you look at what the Braves did the year they 650 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: won the World Series, made a bunch of little moves 651 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: that ended up being big moves, big impact things later on. 652 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: So I like the deadline where it is. I would 653 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: even argue to push it up, but players Alana universally 654 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: want it earlier because it's so much stress to go 655 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: to a new team, to have to move their families 656 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: for six weeks of the season. So you're never, I think, 657 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: going to see it moved back. We may see it 658 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: moved up a couple of days earlier, but it is 659 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: so fascinating because you would think, well, maybe we'll have 660 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: bigger moves later, but actually would be the inverse, because 661 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: teams wouldn't want to give up nearly as much for 662 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: even less time with a player. So trade deadline for 663 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: me could be even earlier in July, but no later 664 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: than August. First. 665 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: Oh man, I tell you what, if I had another 666 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: half an hour with you, I'd ask you all kinds 667 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: of questions about, all right, what. 668 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 3: About the off season? 669 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: Can we move that? 670 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: Can we change things up like they do in the NBA. 671 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: Britt Dioli, the senior national writer covering Major League Baseball 672 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: for The Athletic, Always pleasure. We appreciate you so much 673 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 2: being here. We also want to say thanks to our 674 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: friends at bet MGM. 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Call 684 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: one eight hundred gambler Brett Jeroli. Thank you so much. 685 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: I hope to see you, my friend, in the postseason. 686 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: Your knowledge is second to none. Under study my butt. 687 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: Who needs kenros. 688 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 5: Well. 689 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I should have worn a 690 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: bow tie in honor of Kenjuly Brett. 691 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for being what missed unfair territory, Ken Rosenthal. 692 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: We'll see you soon. 693 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 1: Thanks