1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, It's Jefferson White here and welcome to the 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Official Yellowstone Podcast, presented by WIN Las Vegas. So hopefully 3 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: if you're here, you might know me as Jimmy on 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: the Dutton Ranch. But right now, I'm a long way 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: from Montana. I'm a long way from the bunk house. 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: I am actually recording this podcast from an incredible studio 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: in the WIN Las Vegas. If you know anything about me, 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: it's probably that I'm new to a lot of this, 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: and believe it or not, this is also actually my 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: first time in Las Vegas, and I gotta tell you, 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: I have been absolutely floored. WIN Las Vegas is hosting 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: us here and every single little detail has been incredible. 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: I can't think of a more amazing place to stay. 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: To be totally honest, they're gonna have a hard time 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: getting rid of me. So let's dive in. Let's get 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: you up to speed. The whole point of this podcast 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: is to bring you closer to the world of Yellowstone 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: as the universe of the show expands, as it keeps getting, 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, bigger and bigger. We're going to go deep 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: with the current casting crew. We're going to talk to 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: the producers, We're going to talk to the creators, everyone 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: that brings you the incredible world of Yellowstone. It's really 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: wild to think that what started as an incredible professional 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: opportunity for me has now turned out to be a 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: truly life changing experience. I feel just so so lucky 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: to be a part of this, talking to learning from 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: such incredible actors, creators, and honestly just plain old good people. 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: One of the tremendous gifts of Yellowstone is that for 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: the last four years now, I feel so lucky to 30 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: have been surrounded by such a remarkable community, such a 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: remarkable family of incredible filmmakers, incredible performers, incredible cowboys, incredible technicians, 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: but also honestly just really really remarkable people. Is going 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: to be a wild ride. That said, you've probably heard 34 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: enough of me to last a couple of lifetimes. So 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: let me introduce our first guest. I feel incredibly fortunate, 36 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: incredibly lucky, incredibly blessed today to having the studio with me, 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: Luke Grimes. You know Luke from many roles in the past, 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: but also right now. Why we're here. The reason we're 39 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: here is Luke plays Casey Dutton on Yellowstone. Luke Thank 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: you so so so much for being here. 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: Of course, man, this is awesome and nobody had better 42 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: to do it with than you. I'm glad you're hosting 43 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: this thing. This is perfect. 44 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: Thanks, Brol. 45 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: What a pleasure it's been, obviously. You know at this 46 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 1: point we've known each other for four years. Yeah, I've 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: had the pleasure of knowing you and sort of stepping 48 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: into this world alongside you for the last four years. 49 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Will you just take a second and catch us up 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: on everything before Yellowstone on your journey leading up to Yellowstone. 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Take as long or as short as you like. 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: Uh, well, yeah, so, I guess you know. I'm from Ohio, 53 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 3: That's where the journey started. Was one of those weird 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: kids who always wanted to be an actor and just 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: love movies, you know, wanted to be a part of it. 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: Moved to New York when I was eighteen, went to 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: an acting school, moved to LA when I was twenty, 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: and started pounding the pavement. And then at some point 59 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: along the way, Taylor found me, kind of picked me 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: out of obscurity and let me be on this show, 61 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: which has been the greatest joy of my life. 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: Talk to me about So we first met before season one, 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: sort of preparing for the work of season one. Talk 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: to me about your experience with horses prior to the 65 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: show and the work you did to sort of prepare 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: yourself for the show. 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: Very little horse experience before Yellowstone. I'd done a western before, 68 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: but coincidentally, in that movie it was the remake of 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: Magnificent Seven. I wasn't supposed to really be good at 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: horse riding, so they just didn't really let me get 71 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: good at it. And you know, I rode one of 72 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: those movie horses that just sort of walks up, hits 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: a mark, you say your lines, and it sits there 74 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: and it's lazy, you know. And then obviously Yellowstone we 75 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: ride like real horses who don't tend to sit still 76 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: as much, and so obviously we needed a little more preparation. 77 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: I remember Taylor called me when I got the job. 78 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: It was like six weeks out from us actually shooting, 79 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 3: and he's like, you need to go ride like every day. 80 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: So in La. 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: He had me going to like a raining coach twice 82 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: a week. Then I would go see Jason Rodriguez at 83 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: his ranch and we would do like roping and more 84 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: cowboy style stuff. And yeah, so just kind of every discipline. 85 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: Then we'd see, you know, when we met Jake Reen, 86 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: we started doing the cutting and yeah, I mean, look, man, 87 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: I feel like we're almost like, you know, we have 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: stunt doubles. Taylor likes to use them as little as possible, 89 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: so he wanted us to be as prepared as we 90 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: could because he loves authenticity and he knows that the 91 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: more that people see us actually on the horse, you know, 92 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: the more they're going to buy everything. So it's been awesome. Man, 93 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: It's a skill set I never saw coming that has 94 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: been such a joy to learn. 95 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: And you're asked to do almost more than anybody else 96 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: on the show. I'm thinking of a sequence where you 97 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: like ride up alongside a truck and rope the driver 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: out of the truck. Like you're asked to do an 99 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: incredible amount of also very varied skills, varied riding skills, 100 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, roping, riding, training horses. I think the very 101 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: first time we see Casey, he's working with a stallion, 102 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: is that right? Yeah, So talk to me about approaching 103 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: all those different sort of very specific skills. 104 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I do I have a fantastic stunt 105 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: double who's just like. 106 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: A real cowboy. Jordan Warwick is Jordan usually Jordan. Yes, 107 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: what up, Jordan? He's awesome. It makes me look cool 108 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: as shit. 109 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's I mean, obviously when I ride up 110 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 3: and rope that guy of the truck, he did the 111 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: roping there, which because I mean, who can do that, right, 112 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: But he actually did it, and it was like a 113 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 3: backwards style that he had to do to get in 114 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: the window, And there's no way I could have done that. 115 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, I like, like I said, Taylor likes me 116 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: to do as much as I can, and little by little, 117 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: every year I've been able to do more, and I think, 118 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: to this day my favorite moment was there's a sequence 119 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: in this coming season I think it's the next episode 120 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: that airs actually where I kind of go wrangle up 121 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 3: these these mustangs and have to chase this group of 122 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: mustangs kind of hurt them up and chase them through 123 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: this huge pasture and you know, the stunt double did 124 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: it once see Taylor's you want to try it? And 125 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: I was scared to death, but of course I wanted 126 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: to try it, And to this day, the greatest day 127 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 3: I've ever had on it set. I mean, it was 128 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: like it was like catching a wave because this horse 129 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: is trying to keep up with these wild horses and 130 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 3: it just becomes part of this herd. And I'm for 131 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: the full for the first time in the show, like 132 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: full tilt, like running as dead fast as it can. 133 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: It was awesome. It's so cool. 134 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: And that's as an actor, that's an incredibly like immersive experience, 135 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're surrounded by nature 136 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: as you described it, there's a wave of horses sort 137 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: of cresting in front of you that there's very little 138 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: faking it at that point, you don't really have to 139 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: fake anything. You're actually on the horse, speeding through the 140 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: underbrush or whatever. Yeah, will you talk a little bit 141 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: about the experience of being out in Montana to shoot, 142 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: being out on our sets in our sort of wilderness 143 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: and how that informs your work as an actor. 144 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I've always said I think the scenery, the 145 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: you know, Montana is probably the biggest character in our show. 146 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: It's such a part of the show. And Yeah, being 147 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: able to go shoot there, I mean, I fell so 148 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: in love with that. I moved there. I literally moved 149 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: to where we shoot. That's like, you know, obviously it 150 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: got into me somehow, And yeah, I. 151 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: Mean it's the romantic idea of the West. 152 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: And I think part of the reason why people love 153 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: the show so much is being able to kind of escape, 154 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: you know, and sit in their living room and go 155 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: to this place. I think is one of the most 156 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: important parts of our show, and it's what the show 157 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: is about, sort of fighting for that, the romantic idea 158 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: of what that could be. You know, the Yellowstone Ranch 159 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: kind of is at the crux of everything in the 160 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: show and everyone's fighting over it, and it's you know, 161 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: basically just the beauty of the West is at the 162 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: core of everything we do here, you know. 163 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, nature and Montana itself and the ranch are 164 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: at the sort of very heart of the show. And 165 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: another theme is family. Another theme that's very like foundational 166 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: to the show is family. So will you talk a 167 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: little bit about working with Wes, working with Kelly, working 168 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: with Dave, working with Kevin, and that sort of family 169 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: that's at the core of the entire show that you've 170 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: been working with for four years now. 171 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: Man, it is such a blessing to show up to 172 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: work with these people. I mean, I think, you know, 173 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: people always say this about you know, the jobs around. 174 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: I feel so lucky to be able to go to 175 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: work with all of these fantastic actors and so many 176 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: talented people, you know, from our cast to our crew, Taylor, 177 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: who I think is the greatest writer out there, and 178 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: I think he has kind of a sixth sense for 179 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: sweet kind people. I mean, it's just such a good group. 180 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: And you know, we obviously didn't get to shoot this year. 181 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 3: We've got pushed a little bit, and I really missed it. 182 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: Man. 183 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: I felt myself it was like something was missing, you know. 184 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 3: And I and I actually I kind of like I 185 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 3: think about like when this show is over over, and 186 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: I get a little anxiety about the end of it 187 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: because I just love this group of people so much, 188 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: you know, And I know you know that too. I mean, 189 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 3: we we actually really have a good time making this thing. 190 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you know, when you're it's a little 191 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: bit the same as the environment, Like you can't fake Montana, 192 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: And it's also hard to fake family. It's hard to 193 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: fake these relationships that are sort of lifelong commitments. You know. 194 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about how horsemanship that's a lifelong commitment, 195 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: and so is family. Like by the time we meet 196 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: these characters. They've known each other their entire lives, right, 197 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: And something that really helps with that, something that really 198 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I think contributes to that authentic feeling is the fact 199 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: that we've now known each other for four years. Like 200 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: when you're in a scene with Wes or when you're 201 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: in a scene with Kelly or Kevin, you guys have 202 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: been working together for so long that that does some 203 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: of the work for you. There's a familiarity that you 204 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: can't help but feel with your collaborators. 205 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it's a you know, everyone seems 206 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: to really care about this job equally. You know, there's 207 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: no one there who kind of is phoning it in 208 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 3: or doesn't want to be there, you know, and that's 209 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: you know, everyone's fully committed. And like I said before, 210 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's a joy to work with 211 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: these people because everyone really wants to make something great 212 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: and the fact that it's you know, become the success 213 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: that it's become is just a cherry on top. You know, 214 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: we loved making it already and now everyone is seeming 215 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: to enjoy what we're doing, which just feels pretty fantastic. 216 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an incredible gift after having Yeah, we've been 217 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: with this script for you know, four and a half years, 218 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: and for it to sort of to feel like part 219 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: of this much, much larger community now, to feel like 220 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: these fans are sort of joining this family that we've 221 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: been a part of for years. I always find, you know, 222 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: the show is it's incredibly violent. At times, it's incredibly dark. 223 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: You know, Beth Jamie, these powers rip, these powers sort 224 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: of tearing at each other in constant sort of contest 225 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: with each other. It gives the show this incredible darkness, 226 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: this incredible anger. But I think you're totally right that 227 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: also at the core of it is this love. You know, 228 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: people are making these decisions and they're doing terrible, violent 229 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: things for the sake of what they love. And I 230 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: feel like Casey, particularly over and over again, makes these 231 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: choices from a place of love. You know, he's kind 232 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: of stuck in between Beth and Jamie's lifelong battle. You know, 233 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: these two people who hate each other so much. Kind 234 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: of the inverse of that love is this like deep 235 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, when that flips on its head because of 236 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: that betrayal, Casey is always trying so hard to sort 237 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: of bring that back together or hold it together So 238 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: will you talk about knowing everything you do about Jamie, 239 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: about Jamie and Beth's history, what it's like to do 240 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: those scenes with Wes, because it often feels like Casey 241 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: is Jamie's only ally on the ranch. 242 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, you nailed it on the head. 243 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: I mean, Casey's between a rock and a hard place 244 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: from episode one, and he always tries to see the 245 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: best in people. You know, he's the kind of guy 246 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 3: who gives people the benefit of the doubt and always 247 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: tries to make the right choice, and seemingly in the 248 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: world of Yellowstone. 249 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: There is no right choice. You know. 250 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: You just watch this guy struggle to try to take 251 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: the right path, and and you know, he just he 252 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: represents the way I've always read it is kind of 253 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: just the beating heart of this crazy world and trying 254 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: to do what's right by his his own family with 255 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: Monica and Tate, but then the legacy that is so 256 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: important to his father. And yeah, the Jamie Beth. You know, 257 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: I don't get enough scenes with Kelly. I'll just say 258 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: that I wish we had more. I think the only 259 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: you know, the only scenes that we've had together, like 260 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: really terrible Dinners where she leaves. I would love to 261 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: just have a see where we sit and talk for 262 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: a few minutes. 263 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: That would be nice. 264 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've definitely seen him interact a lot more 265 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: with Jamie, and I think you've just noticed he just 266 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: wants to see the best in people, you know, especially 267 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: when it comes to his family. 268 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny because he's also caught in this 269 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: middle generation. He feels this tremendous responsibility to John Dutton 270 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: that pulls him in one direction. His father's asking him 271 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: for one thing, and his son, Tate is asking him 272 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: for something completely different, and so he's getting pulled in 273 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: two you know, his responsibility to his father and his 274 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: responsibility to his son, his responsibility to his sister, and 275 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: his responsibility to his brother. It just feels like no 276 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: matter what he does, even when he operates from a 277 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: place of love, he's also sort of creating rifts on 278 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: the other side of the equation. To be with Tate, 279 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: he has to distance himself from John to be with John, 280 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: to go and live on the ranch and be closer 281 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: to John. He's making things more difficult for Tate and Monica. 282 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: So will you talk about just being caught in the 283 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: middle and that tension. 284 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, what we've been watching is 285 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: kind of a simmer that's come to a boil over 286 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: four seasons of like I said, him sort of being 287 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: stuck in between trying to make the right choice in 288 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: any given direction. And I think season four where we 289 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: end with Casey. In season four, not to give too 290 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: much away, he really you see him at the beginning 291 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: ages of really making a hard decision about which sort 292 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: of path he's going to choose, which I think will 293 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: feel really nice to the audience for, you know, because 294 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: finally you're going to watch this guy have. 295 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: To make a decision. 296 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 3: You know, we've seen him sort of make smaller decisions 297 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: and then back away and he's you know, gone from 298 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: living with the reservation to the ranch and then they 299 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: move away again, and you know, I think, finally you're 300 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: going to see him have to sort of man up 301 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: and decide what he's going to do. And you know, ultimately, 302 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: I don't know where that goes. I wish I did. 303 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: Taylor won't tell me, but it's pretty fun. I get 304 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 3: to experience that, you know, sort of as the audience does. 305 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. He has this sort of dual loyalty. 306 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: That means that there is no right decision, and I 307 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: think that's just honestly, that's good writing, and that's true writing, 308 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: Like there are no good guys and bad guys, there 309 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: are no there's no black and white here. There's no 310 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: correct answer, in part because there are a lot of 311 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: people fighting for what they believe in, all of whom 312 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: are right, and those things are mutually exclusive, you know. Yeah, 313 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: Like John Dutton has you know, is fighting for what 314 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: he believes in. He believes that this he has a 315 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: responsibility to his family to protect this land. Rainwater is 316 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: fighting for what he believes in. He how he believes 317 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: he has a responsibility to his people to protect this land. 318 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Everybody is fighting for something that when you look at 319 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: it on the small scale, is exactly right. But when 320 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: you zoom out, you start to realize, oh, they're incompatible. Yeah, 321 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: not everybody can win. 322 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah exactly. 323 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: I think that's sort of one of Taylor's, you know, 324 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: big talents as a writer and just you know, a 325 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: brilliant mind, is that he kind of raises more questions 326 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: than he answers. And that's what I've always liked about 327 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: our show, and I think people going into our show 328 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: sometimes will make an assumption about its political views, and 329 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: what you find out is that it's not giving you 330 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: a point of view. It's just asking a lot of 331 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: questions and let you decide the answers for yourself. And yeah, 332 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 3: it is a lot like life. You know, in life, 333 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 3: we're all sort of the villain and we're all the 334 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: good guy at times. 335 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. It's not as convenient, it's not as 336 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: easy as these are the good guys. These are the 337 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: bad guys. These are all complicated people making decisions that 338 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: they feel are right in the moment. Yeah, and then 339 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: sometimes I mean, for Casey, something that has always compelled 340 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: me so much about Casey is Casey makes the decisions 341 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: that are right in the moment over and over again 342 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: and over and over again. That drags him back into violence, 343 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: drags him back into danger, drags him into this life 344 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: that he's been trying to escape for years and years, 345 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 1: and ends up putting his family in trying to protect 346 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: his family, he puts his family in danger. 347 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think my favorite line of Casey's 348 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: to try to not get it wrong here because obviously, 349 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: you know, like I said, I love Taylor's one liners. 350 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: He's the best at it. 351 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: There's something about you know, I never, I've never. 352 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: I've killed a lot of. 353 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 3: Men, but I've never murdered one, you know, which is 354 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: kind of and he has. You've seen him sort of 355 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: have to deal with death a lot and sort of 356 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: taking people out in protection of his family and stuff 357 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 3: like that. But I think at the core of that never, 358 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: he doesn't like doing it. You know, it's not it's 359 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: not something that it kind of finds him in some way. 360 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 3: And they're usually pretty justified. I was saying before that 361 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: there's never villains in our show, but every once in 362 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 3: a while, just for fun, Taylor throws one in and 363 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: then Rip gets to off them in some really awesome 364 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: and that's pretty fun. 365 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: That's always very satisfying. There's no bad guys except the 366 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: bad guys, and. 367 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: Rip kills them very quickly, and it's awesome. 368 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: Will you talk a little bit about working with because 369 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: because you're also you and I are in an interesting 370 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: position here in this kind of middle generation. So you've 371 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: got Kevin Costner, a legend, and part of what I 372 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: find so fun about the show is that Kevin is 373 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: a legend playing a legend. John Dutton is himself a 374 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: legend in the state of Montana. He is an iconic 375 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: figure that every character in the show looks up to already. 376 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: But you're in this interesting middle position where you've also 377 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: got Tate, Breck and Merrill who you are sort of 378 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: caring for. So will you talk about working with a 379 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: young actor and what that experience is like for you? 380 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'd never really I've never played a 381 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: dad before. It was the first time I played someone 382 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: who had children or a child, and I had a 383 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: lot of questions from my friends who have kids. 384 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: You know. 385 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure to approach that in some 386 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: way that felt genuine because I don't. And there are 387 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: actually times, you know, where I would read something in 388 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: the script and talk to Taylor and like. 389 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: So, why do I do this? 390 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 3: Like why would I remember the moment I read when 391 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 3: Casey goes home at the end of season one, and 392 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: I was like, why does he do that? Like I 393 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: don't understand obviously, Like I feel like he would rather 394 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 3: die than admit defeat in that way he said for 395 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: your son, And I was like, oh, okay, yeah, so 396 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 3: that's what I'm not getting, Like the their life becomes 397 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: more important than your own, and so it's been kind 398 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 3: of interesting to to explore that, not having gone through 399 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 3: that myself. And I mean, Brecken's a fantastic little actor. 400 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 2: Great dude. I love working with him. 401 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 3: And and you know, you have to be pretty present 402 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: when you work with young kids. 403 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: He's obviously grown up a lot. Yeah, I was going 404 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: to say four years. 405 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like six foot tall now, right, it's a 406 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 3: different person. But but yeah, when he was a kid, 407 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: it was great. You know, you just have to be 408 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 3: really present with him. And there was so much kind 409 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 3: of like you know, truth and having to listen and 410 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: really react in real time. You know, with kids, nothing 411 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: feels rehearsed. You know, you're kind of you're in it 412 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: with them, and and you got to be on your 413 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: toes a little bit. What did they say they like, 414 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: never act with children or animals. I think I only 415 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 3: acted with children and animals the whole first season. It's 416 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 3: like on a horse with a kid. And yeah, and obviously, 417 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 3: like working with Kevin, you're you're like, Okay, you've done 418 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: everything in this career. You've you know, won an oscar, 419 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 3: You've been in so many great movies. And you're you're 420 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: an icon and a legend that with the challenge there 421 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: was to sort of like make him my dad in 422 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: my mind and not Kevin Costner. And that's no fault 423 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 3: of his own. He's a great actor, but it's, uh, 424 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: you know, it's hard not to look at Kevin Costner 425 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 3: and you know think about like Field of Dreams or 426 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 3: like any of these iconic roles he's played. Well, that 427 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: was the fear. And then you know, working with him, 428 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: he's he's he's so committed and so good and he 429 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: cares so much that you that that it goes away 430 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 3: pretty quick, and that is to his credit. 431 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Luke, thank you so so so much for 432 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: being here. Man. It's such a joy to talk about 433 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: this stuff with you. It's such a joy to sort 434 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: of dig a little deeper with all this stuff. And 435 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: I just I can't thank you enough of your time. 436 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: Of course, man, thanks for having me. This has been fun, 437 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: what a. 438 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: Pleasure, incredible talking to Luke. Any normal podcast that might 439 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: be it. 440 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: For the day. 441 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: Not here. What we're gonna do now is we're going 442 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: to bring you the other side of the coin. We 443 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: want to bring you the whole picture, so We're going 444 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: to take a breath, and when we come back, we're 445 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: going to sit down with the infamous Jamie Dutton Wes Bentley. 446 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: Today we are speaking to Wes Bentley. Wes obviously plays 447 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: Jamie Dutton. West plays one of the sort of most complicated, 448 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: most complex, love to hate him brilliant characters, in my opinion, 449 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: in the history of television. So it has been an 450 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: incredible joy for me to watch Wes and learn from 451 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: Wes as an actor over the course of the last 452 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: four years. And it's also been an incredible gift to 453 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: get to know who I am proud to call my 454 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: good friend Wes. So, Wes, thank you so much for 455 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: being here today. 456 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 4: Oh my god, man, I'm gonna like tear up. 457 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 5: That was. 458 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 4: Such a nice thing to say. Man, thank you so much. 459 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 5: I'm happy to be here. I'm really happy that you're 460 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 5: doing this so much fun. Man, you're the exact guy 461 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 5: who would need to run this whole podcast thing. Although 462 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 5: I've never done a podcast before, so this is my 463 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 5: first time. 464 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: Is this really your first podcast? 465 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, be gentle with me. 466 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: That's incredible, man. It's an audio format, so if you 467 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: do cry, just narrate it. You know what I mean, 468 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: just sort of describe it. 469 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 4: I am crying. 470 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 5: One tier from the left eye is about halfway down 471 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 5: my cheek. One is just forming in the right eye. 472 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 5: So it will, it will get it'll catch up. It's 473 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 5: Jamie Dutton's fault. Now, I didn't ever, I told Taylor, 474 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 5: and I've probably told. 475 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 4: Every other director I ever worked with. 476 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 5: I don't. I can't really just like cry com mand. 477 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 5: It's not in my toolbox. And now that is just 478 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 5: every scene. So you know, Wes Bentley now tears up 479 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 5: at openings to podcasts. 480 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: I was gonna say that sounds like Taylor took that 481 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: as a challenge, because I feel like Jamie he took 482 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: it as a challenge that he was gonna make you 483 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: cry by putting Jamie through sort of the most difficult 484 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: MO was traumatic series of events. So talk to me 485 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: a little bit you Obviously, obviously the folks, the folks 486 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: listening to this are are familiar with the character. They 487 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: have a lot of feelings about the character. I'm sure, 488 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: But just for a second, will you just take a 489 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: second and talk about your life sort of how you 490 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: wound up on Yellowstone, everything before we met Jamie. 491 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 5: As far as like becoming an actor, and like, I'll 492 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 5: start there because I think a lot of people are 493 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 5: always interested in that, Like why when did you know? 494 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 5: You know, that's the kind of thing I always think 495 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 5: about anyway. And it's my brothers, you know. I had 496 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 5: these great brothers, and we we loved money Python because 497 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 5: my dad loved money Python, and we liked to joke 498 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 5: around and improv with each other and try to make 499 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 5: each other laugh. And it was a challenge, so you know, 500 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 5: we worked hard at it. And that that showed me 501 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 5: that I liked doing that. And I did like church plays. 502 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 5: I grew up in the church, and I did school 503 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 5: plays and and I did you know, I did improv 504 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 5: in high school and and and a few of these 505 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 5: acting competitions we did that in Arkansas, these like. 506 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: Weird like competitions with acting. And that went well. 507 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 5: So my mom decided to take it upon herself to 508 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 5: apply me to Juilliard, which I was just looking for, 509 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 5: like these little small colleges to maybe play soccer at 510 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 5: and do a little bit of theater. And she's like, no, 511 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 5: I think you should go for it. So we she 512 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 5: she did the application. It was a lot of money 513 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 5: for us. She had to pay to apply, and they 514 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 5: did it anyway, and we drove up to Chicago and 515 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 5: I did that audition, so and I got in. It 516 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 5: was crazy and amazing. So moved to New York. Did 517 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 5: one year Juilliard. It really wasn't for me. It was 518 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 5: very it was very you know, classical, stage centric and 519 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 5: very technical, and these weren't things that I was I 520 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 5: was responding to as an actor, and so I started 521 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 5: to be curious about leaving. And I went with a 522 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 5: friend to a cattle call audition. He was going to 523 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 5: go to audition for the you know, the the touring 524 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 5: show of Rent. And I'm not really a singer, but 525 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 5: I was like, all right, I don't want to school, 526 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 5: so let's go do that. So we went did that, 527 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 5: and outside before we even went in, a casting director 528 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 5: walked by and was trying to like pick out people 529 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 5: write for something else, and she handed me the card 530 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 5: she had and asked me to come and read for 531 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 5: this little independent film. And I was like, yeah, well, yeah, 532 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 5: of course, And I did the Rent audition, got a 533 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 5: call back. By the way, I don't know like what 534 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 5: bar they had set on that cat call, but it 535 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 5: was definitely low. So then I you know, I went 536 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 5: to read for that movie like right after it went 537 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 5: directly to it, and seven callbacks later, I did it. It 538 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 5: was a little tiny movie with Kate Walsh who was 539 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 5: in Gray's Anatomy, and and it was it kind of 540 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 5: sent me off. I got an agent right away, and 541 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 5: then that kicked everything in the gear and I worked 542 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 5: hard in New York. I went, you know, to auditions 543 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 5: and I tried to do it. I told myself, you 544 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 5: got one year if it doesn't work, because I didn't 545 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 5: have money. You know, it was really hard to live 546 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 5: in New York, like as you know, I'm sure at 547 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 5: times it's you know, it's rough and and so I 548 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 5: I then got a role. I came in for this 549 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 5: character who was from Arkansas, which is where I'm from, 550 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 5: and you know, I was going to be shot in Arkansas. 551 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: And man, I really pushed myself in that. In those auditions, 552 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 5: I was like, I'm not really I don't sell myself 553 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 5: very well, but in that was moments I was so 554 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 5: desperate I did. 555 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: I really pushed the Arkansas thing. 556 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 5: And now I think it came down to me and 557 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 5: a couple of guys and I got That was with 558 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 5: Antonio Benderis and Alan Barkin and Bob Hoskins. It was 559 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 5: like great, you know, great cast. But I did that, 560 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 5: and then I had a little period. I decided to 561 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 5: go check out LA. Had some money, tiny bit of money, 562 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 5: went to go see LA and they gave me a 563 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 5: script before when I was leaving on the plane, and 564 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 5: it was called American Beauty. And I saw who was attached. 565 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 5: And at the time, you know, this is the highest 566 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 5: caliber cast I'd seen in a project that sounded like 567 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 5: what I was looking for. 568 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 4: You know, not just desperate for a job. But it 569 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 4: was a dark. 570 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 5: Comedy and in the nineties those were all, you know, 571 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 5: ten were gold, especially the well written ones like we had. 572 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 5: And so on that plane ride out there, I teared 573 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 5: up in a couple of scenes and I just thought 574 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 5: to myself, I got to get this. And so I 575 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 5: got to LA and my manager was like, well, you 576 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 5: don't have an audition, but why don't you just go 577 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 5: in there and tell them that you thought you had 578 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 5: an audition. 579 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 4: And you know all these tricks, right. 580 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 5: And and so I did that and it worked. 581 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 4: I mean, man, I'm grateful. Was that a long answer 582 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: or what? 583 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: That's a fantastic answer? And I'm so glad to know 584 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: this about you. First of all, I'm amazed that we 585 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: haven't talked about this before. But also there's an incredible 586 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: sort of synergy between your experience and bear with me 587 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: here for a second, Jamie's experience. So, you grew up 588 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: with brothers with whom you sort of shared a camaraderie, 589 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: you shared sense of belonging. You really felt like yourself 590 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: with your brothers, and then you sort of you Wes 591 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: went on to pursue your dreams. You Wes went on 592 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: to follow what it was you truly felt called to, 593 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: and Jamie was asked to do something else. John Dutton 594 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: said to Jamie, I need you to fill this different 595 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: role for me. I see what you could do, and 596 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: he sort of diverted his destiny in some way, sent 597 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: him to law school, right, sent him away to go 598 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: and practice something completely alien to him, something that wasn't 599 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: what brought him joy or sort of filled him up. 600 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: And out of a sense of responsibility, Jamie did what 601 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: his father asked him to do, and in a lot 602 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: of ways that changed his trajectory and sort of separated him, 603 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: alienated him, isolated him from the life he had known 604 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: and the sort of sense of shared destiny with his brothers. 605 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: So that's just fascinating kind of you know, it's a 606 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: little bit of a two roads diverging in a yellow 607 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: Wood moment because it feels like so much of what 608 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: defines Jamie is this sense of duty and responsibility being 609 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: directly in conflict with his instincts or what he really 610 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: wants or what he really longs for, and the tension 611 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: that arises when those two things collapse into each other. 612 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: So will you just talk a little bit about, you know, 613 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: the different sort of big motivating forces that continue to 614 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: pull Jamie apart and pull Jamie in different directions, you 615 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 616 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, And Jefferson, what great insight. I mean, I'm not 617 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 5: surprised you always have such great insight. I do use that, 618 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 5: you know, I use that my own my own ability 619 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 5: to say yeah, I'm going to go for it, and 620 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 5: I'm going to and then going and doing it the 621 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 5: action following, and it's been a challenge because Jamie didn't 622 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 5: do that. Therefore that's a big break between us, right 623 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 5: Like I do that a lot. Jamie is the is 624 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 5: the opposite his you know, he was he was pulled 625 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 5: in he was told who he was, and and it 626 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 5: wasn't who he wanted to be. You know, I had 627 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 5: my own backstory ideas that Jamie was probably a good 628 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 5: baseball player and or an athlete of some kind, and 629 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 5: he he probably saw himself, you know, following that dream 630 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 5: at some point, I mean, one of the cowboys, you know, 631 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 5: and being one of the guys that has got his 632 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 5: dad seemed to admire and look look to turn to. 633 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 5: And you know, it's devastating. And so to explore that devastation, 634 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 5: I see it as devastation of not following your dream 635 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 5: and because what's told you to be is it's the 636 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 5: emposite of anything I accept in life. So you know, 637 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 5: I had to really really break ground on that to 638 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 5: get to Jamie and understand how he could have come 639 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 5: to accept it. And I found some things, you know, 640 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 5: along the way, and Taylor's given me lots of things, 641 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 5: a lot more than to play with that, and you know, 642 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 5: and so it's you know, that's really hard. But and 643 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 5: diving into Jamie, I think he had a hard time 644 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 5: with it. I think he also has, over his forty years, 645 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 5: come to accept it. And also seeing that, you know, 646 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 5: he's a strategist. Jamie see the moves ahead, He's four 647 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 5: or five moves ahead, right, and so he's always I 648 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 5: think he saw, Okay, I'm doing this, but I'm going 649 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 5: to get something out of this, and you know, I 650 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 5: might get the ranch out of this because I'm going 651 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 5: to save the ranch. You know, if you're gonna if 652 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 5: you're gonna make me be this, then I'm going to 653 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 5: do everything I can to make that ranch the best 654 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 5: thing possible as Jamie. And so that's that sort of 655 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 5: sets Jamie on been a pattern of I think, becoming 656 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 5: a very materialistic person. You know, when you're not doing 657 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 5: what you could do in your heart to make it 658 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 5: dressed up and decorated and feel amazing, well, then you're 659 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 5: going to do it to the. 660 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 4: Rest of you, right, your face, your hair, your suit. 661 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 5: Or whatever you're and you're going to like try to 662 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 5: make all that, all that substante subsistence or whatever, you know, 663 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 5: the material look good instead since the inside is gone. 664 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 5: That's the path that started going with Jamie. And it 665 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 5: was like it was a it was a it was 666 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 5: a papered over crack that was bound to be torn open, 667 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 5: which is what started to happen. 668 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating. It feels like part of what defines Jamie, 669 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: especially as you articulated, there is this suppression of his 670 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: maybe instincts, suppression of his desires, and what has supplanted 671 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: that or what has come to the surface is leading 672 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: with his intellect because he's a sort of brilliant mind, 673 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: as you say, he's a brilliant strategist, and he's had 674 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: to sort of for the sake of his father, for 675 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: the sake of his family, what he's been asked to 676 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: do is suppress and deny what he wants and to 677 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: sort of take on this role as a kind of ruthless, efficient, 678 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: calculating legal genius to protect the ranch. And then of 679 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: course those instincts bubbling up underneath, that need for love, 680 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: that desire to impress his father, All of that stuff, 681 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: of course doesn't go away. It's you know, bubbling under 682 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: the surface, and it causes him to act out in 683 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: these explosive expressions of that. And something that I think 684 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: you do so expertly as an actor is, you know, 685 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: Jamie acting, A lot of people talk about operating on impulse. 686 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: It's about following your impulses, it's about it's about sort 687 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: of letting your impulses guide you. And Jamie is somebody 688 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: who suppresses all of his impulses. He keeps it all 689 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: under control. He is sort of always performing. The character 690 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: is always performing. But then I think of these explosive 691 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: scenes that have become some of my favorite scenes of 692 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: the show, when it breaks out, when twenty years of 693 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: suppressing his anger, twenty years of suppressing his instincts explodes 694 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: out of him. And I'm thinking, right now, I think 695 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: it's season one in the Barn with you and Beth, 696 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: and it feels like Beth is somebody who spends a 697 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: lot of time trying to crack through that facade and 698 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: get down to the real Jamie. So then talk to me. 699 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: In season four. Obviously, the question of Jamie's family and 700 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: the family loyalty that Jamie feels gets complicated that much 701 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: more because you know this huge revelation of Jamie's biological 702 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: father and his developing relationship with Garrett. So will you 703 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what that means to Jamie, 704 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: what it feels like, you know, to have this maybe 705 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: this new chance to win love, how that sort of 706 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: affects his relationship with j D. And yeah, sort of 707 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: that that introduction, that complication to the question of Jamie's family. 708 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 5: Well, to get there, I'll just go back a little 709 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 5: bit to as we go through. You know, when Jamie 710 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 5: has killed a reporter and then feels a sense of 711 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 5: danger from his own family, they're not going to protect 712 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 5: him that now they see him. 713 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 4: As a liability. 714 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 5: That's like one of the big chipped away moments where 715 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 5: he doesn't you know, everyone else gets protected, but Jamie 716 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 5: wasn't all of a sudden feeling that way. He felt 717 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 5: under threat and and and then you know, on top 718 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 5: of the trauma they caused himself with the murder, there's 719 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 5: a now another trauma happening that's even ripping away that 720 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 5: loyal even more because now he feels under threat from 721 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 5: his own family, who cover everybody up. You know, they 722 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 5: literally cover people they don't. 723 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: Know up, like just yeah, they say Jimmy's ass over 724 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: and over again. Do you think they could do it 725 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: for Jamie? 726 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 3: Right? 727 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: They kill them, but you know they'll kill anybody. Jimmy's 728 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: piss dad. You know, it's like wild the double standard. 729 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: It applies to everybody except Jamie. 730 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 5: It's right on, man, and you have no idea the 731 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 5: resentment Jamie holds for Jimmie. 732 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 4: By the way, I just want to let you know 733 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 4: that right now. 734 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,439 Speaker 1: We've been in one scene, or maybe we've had two 735 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: scenes together and I felt it. I felt your blistering 736 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: contempt for me. 737 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was my actor's secret. Go back and watch 738 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 4: those scenes. Just feel it. 739 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 740 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: So here here's a question for you. Let's to get 741 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: too meta here. But John Dutton asked Jamie to be 742 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: the bad guy. He asked Jamie to go become a 743 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: fucking hard ass, become a politician, become everything that John 744 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: Dutton hated. And Taylor Sheridan has asked you, Wes Bentley, 745 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: to be a very difficult character, a character that people 746 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: are gonna hate sometimes. I mean, and you you can't 747 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: help but be so likable that they're gonna love you 748 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 1: sometimes too. But Taylor has asked you to step into 749 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: this incredibly complicated, incredibly difficult character who is you know, 750 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: sometimes easy to hate. What does that feel like for you? 751 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: What does it feel like to sort of carry that responsibility, 752 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: the responsibility in a lot of ways, your a scapegoat 753 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: for all the sort of difficult things the Duttons go through. 754 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: How does that feel. 755 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question, man, and thanks for another compliment, 756 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 5: like that's nice. It's you know, like I one of 757 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 5: the first rules I learned as an actor from someone 758 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 5: I can't remember who it was, probably Julliard, was to 759 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 5: not judge your character. And I thought that was okay, 760 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 5: all right, that makes sense because if you don't judge 761 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 5: your character, then you don't make a caricature right of 762 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 5: a version of a person. So I try to, like 763 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 5: do I try to do everything I can to not 764 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 5: do that. 765 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 4: It's really hard with Jamie. 766 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 5: But you know, like so uh I in that I say, 767 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 5: like when I'm as I play the role, and you know. 768 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 4: I try to avoid a lot. 769 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 5: I try to avoid a lot to keep my head 770 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 5: and in the character and try to fully be from 771 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 5: his point of view who he is. He's got his 772 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,439 Speaker 5: own judgments of himself. I'm talking about Wes's judgment of him. 773 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 5: So it's kind of a pure mindset as you as 774 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 5: you're doing the role and you know, I'm only seeing 775 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 5: from Jamie's point of view. And then I started get 776 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 5: peppered in from people that oh Jamie, huh, and from 777 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 5: my reaction it's like oh yeah, yeah, huh. Jamie and 778 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 5: and I'm thinking, like, oh, oh, what's going on, like 779 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 5: because I'm still kind of trying to avoid any of 780 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,720 Speaker 5: those judgments they may have, and I'm not even reading 781 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 5: it in the scripts, right, and I'm just doing what 782 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 5: I'm doing. And yeah, I know he does bad things, 783 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 5: and yeah he's all those fights are having, but I'm 784 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 5: not really realizing that he's like becoming the villain until 785 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 5: everyone's telling me he's the villain, which I think is 786 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 5: pretty cool, right, I mean, like I had no I did. 787 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 5: Taylor was never like, look, you're gonna be You're going 788 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 5: to be a big guy everyone hates and you're gonna 789 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 5: you know, you're gonna be You're gonna do this and that. 790 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 5: And really, honestly, even from my point of view, I 791 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 5: could see, but before I really fully knew what happened 792 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 5: between Beth and Jamie, and I'll tell you, I didn't know. 793 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 4: I didn't know the exact thing that happened. 794 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 5: I just sort of like kind of felt for him 795 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 5: in that relationship, you know, like myself, and I was like, 796 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 5: he's the victim of this relationship, and so, you know, 797 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 5: being in that mindset, it's really hard to think of 798 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 5: it as like, oh, I'm going to be the this 799 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 5: guy to the audience, and that's also some I avoid. 800 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 4: I love our audience and I love audiences. I do 801 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 4: it for you, but. 802 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 5: I am not thinking about you at all while I am. 803 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 5: While I'm trying to portray this human being, I've got 804 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 5: all my energy and being as honest as I can 805 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 5: about them in a moment that's pretty crucial to their story. 806 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 5: And so, you know, it's been a surprise to realize 807 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 5: to what level I should say at the end of 808 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 5: three when I read what happened that there was the moment, 809 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 5: you know, my full realization. 810 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 4: Oh, you know, here it is. 811 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 5: But I'm still seeing it from Jamie's point of view 812 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 5: in a way too, that he was making some clever 813 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 5: moves that were to the benefit of the ranch. But 814 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 5: he's also a guy who's really mad, really mad and 815 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 5: really hurt and powerful and so he's dangerous. But but 816 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 5: but to answer your question fully, I I actually enjoy 817 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 5: it now. You know, I'm so aware of it now 818 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 5: and I've been doing press and you know, more aware 819 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 5: of it than ever. You know what level of conflict 820 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 5: is going on about Jamie. You know, I'm on social 821 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 5: media or check the internet ever, So I don't know 822 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 5: about these things, but I guess there's a fight between 823 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 5: whether Jamie's some of the redeem or not. 824 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 4: And I, you know, I count that as a success well. 825 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: And I think it's amazing what you said about the 826 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: audience because part of that is that you're not condescending 827 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,760 Speaker 1: to the audience to presume what they want from you. 828 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: You're not trying to control anyone's experience of you. You 829 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: are sort of advocating for the character. You're making decisions 830 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: that make sense for the character in the moment without 831 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: zooming out, and you're leaving it up to the audience. 832 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: You're leaving it up to the other characters on the 833 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: show to have the eagle eye view of Jamie and 834 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: to make their own decisions about him. Wes, Yeah, this 835 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: has been such an incredible treat you are. I just 836 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: want to say one more time, like you have. The 837 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 1: character has been through more on this show than any 838 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: other character. And I have learned so much from watching 839 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: your performance but also just watching the way you navigate 840 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: how fucking weird it is to move to Montana for 841 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: four months a year, and you've taught me so much 842 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 1: both as an actor and as a person. So I'm 843 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: so so grateful to you for a million reasons. Thank 844 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: you for taking the time to do this. 845 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 4: My man. I gotta then, I gotta, I gotta give 846 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 4: this back to you. Same thing. 847 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 5: We connected right away as soon as you showed up 848 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 5: to Cowboy Camp. You and I I just I saw you, 849 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 5: I knew you. I wanted to get to know you more. 850 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 5: And as I've gotten to know you more, I just 851 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 5: think you're You're such a great guy. You're such a 852 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 5: great actor. What you've done with Jimmy, I think is 853 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 5: it you've elevated the character. You brought him out of 854 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 5: the shadows because you play him on you know, I 855 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 5: think you understand a lot of things I'm saying because 856 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 5: you also play as honest as you can to the 857 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 5: core of the character. And you've got the growth You've 858 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,240 Speaker 5: given him, the growth he's gone from that first season 859 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 5: to the Cowboy what. 860 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: You know. 861 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 5: It's like I saw you at cal We Camp by 862 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 5: the way. But anyways, I you know, I admire you 863 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 5: as well. Those things we had together, I want more 864 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 5: because you're one of those actors that I've learned from 865 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 5: as well. And I you know, and I and am 866 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 5: I also, Yeah, I'm so jealous that you're doing this 867 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 5: podcast thing because I think that you're I think that 868 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 5: you're probably the best guy for it, and I'm really 869 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 5: happy that you're doing it because the show really needs it. 870 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of talk about this show. 871 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: Huh, and there's a lot to talk about all right, Bro, 872 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: thank you so much. To talk to you very soon. 873 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: I can't wait. 874 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Jeffery. Probably I miss you man. 875 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 1: Miss Brow. I feel so so lucky for the opportunity 876 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 1: to talk to the Dunton Boys today. As a little teaser, 877 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: next week, I'm going to sit down with none other 878 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: than Beth and Rip, Kelly Riley and Colehauser. I can't 879 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: wait to chat with him. You don't want to miss that, 880 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: so make sure to subscribe and tune in to the 881 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: Official Yellowstone Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get 882 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: your podcasts. The Official Yellowstone Podcast is hosted by me 883 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: Jefferson White and produced by one oh one Podcast Studios 884 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: and Paramount Network.