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He's 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 4: over at First Things First today actually after the show. 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 4: He's also, you know, an all time great wide receiver 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 4: for the Packers. 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: He had a good run with the Vikings as well. 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 3: He's a bodybuilder. Greg, how are we doing today? 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 5: Man? I'm excellent? 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 6: You are? 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 5: I haven't seen Rachel? 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: How are you? Rach is very popular around here. 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 7: You get out in the trenches with these guys. Jason, 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 7: you gotta come to more practices. 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 22 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 7: We sweat on those fields in Green Bay. 23 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: That it's interesting, great because last time you were on 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 4: with me, it was like we ended on a sour 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 4: note because I asked a question you didn't seem to love, 26 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 4: maybe already forgotten it. You do a lot of interviews, 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 4: you're famous, but I'm going to start here with a 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,919 Speaker 4: tough one. Your boy, Aaron Rodgers was voted the most 29 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: annoying player in the NFL, according to a recent poll 30 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 4: by I believe it was Action Network. 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 5: Greg. 32 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 4: I know you're tight with Rogers. I'm sure you guys 33 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 4: are texting about this. How was he holding up after 34 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 4: being made the most annoyed? First of all, do you 35 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 4: agree with that sentiment he has. 36 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: Been a little annoying the last few years? 37 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 6: Well, I think I think anytime you're in the media 38 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 6: as much as he's in the media, and your popularity 39 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 6: is where his is in, the expectations everywhere you go 40 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 6: is to compete for a Super Bowl in him giving 41 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 6: you a chance, in that not happening in the past 42 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 6: few years. Yeah, you start to get a little annoyed 43 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 6: with that, and the excitement starts to doll in the 44 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 6: locker room and around the league. 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 5: But to say somebody is the. 46 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 6: Most annoying, typically it's because of number one, how you 47 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 6: feel about them, how they portrayed themselves, and they're probably 48 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 6: not winning games. Not a lot of people are gonna 49 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 6: say if you are winning and having success that you 50 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 6: are an annoying player. 51 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 4: It's interesting because Kelsey and Mahomes are two and three 52 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 4: and they're winning a lot. 53 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers not as much. Do you, by the way, 54 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: have we talked about this. 55 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 4: Do you think in Pittsburgh Rogers is going to thrive 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 4: and make the playoffs? 57 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 3: As you see the list there. 58 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 6: Look, I'm not sure if they're going to make the playoffs. 59 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 6: I wasn't high on the Pittsburgh Steelers last year. Now 60 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 6: they surprised a lot of us and probably a lot 61 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 6: of their fans based on what they had at the 62 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 6: quarterback situation. I don't see Aaron Rodgers being an extreme upgrade. 63 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 6: And I understand and we fall in love with the resume. 64 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 6: I played with the guy. He is a spectacular quarterback. 65 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 6: He was a spectacular quarterback. He's not that version of 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers that we've seen in years past. Can he 67 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 6: show flashes of that, of course, but the level of 68 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 6: consistency of having that be sustained, I just we haven't 69 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 6: seen it. We have not seen it since second to 70 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 6: last year in Green Bay. Weard yeah, second to last 71 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 6: year in Green Bay. So I'm not picking the Pittsburgh 72 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 6: Steelers to do anything this year. And it doesn't have 73 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 6: a whole lot to do with Aaron Rodgers is just 74 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 6: I've seen this team in years past just barely get 75 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 6: by because of other teams in that AFC conference not 76 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 6: living up to what the expectations were for them. 77 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: Your Packers made the news this week. Now listen. 78 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: It's a little suss that this started from some random 79 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 4: on social media, but the Packers were then linked to 80 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 4: Micah Parsons in a possible trade, and Guda Kuntzt was 81 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 4: asked about it and was like, I can't talk about 82 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: it's all very cool. I cannot envision a scenario where 83 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: the Cowboys trade mic out of the Packers, or the 84 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: Packers being like, hey, we'll give Michael all the money 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 4: after giving up draft picks to get him. 86 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: I don't see it, but maybe I'm missing something. Where 87 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: are you on this? 88 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 6: Look in the in a fantasy world, and that's where 89 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 6: we all try to like to live in our imagination. 90 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 5: Sometimes this would be unreal. 91 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 6: If this happens for the Green Bay Packers because they've 92 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 6: struggled with getting after the quarterback. Obviously Rashaun Gary and 93 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 6: Luke Van s who their past main pass rusus are. 94 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 6: Luke Vans has not lived up to the hype Rashaan 95 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 6: Gary since the injury. 96 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 5: Has been good, he hasn't been great. 97 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 6: And just when you have when you have a name 98 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 6: like Michael Parsons and you know what he can provide, 99 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 6: and you have a defense that's really good and may 100 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 6: have some troubles in the secondary, we will see that's pending. 101 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 6: You need guys that can get out of the quarterback. 102 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 6: And so everyone in Green Bay would love this until 103 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 6: you start to talk about what you got to give 104 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 6: up to getting. 105 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no way there's a Herschel Walker package. That's 106 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: just not I don't. 107 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 6: Think that's not what the green Bay Packers do. 108 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 4: Right, That's just out of character for them. I do 109 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 4: have to ask, you know about the person stuff. And 110 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 4: I know a lot of the audience is like, why 111 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 4: are you guys talking about Dallas because they haven't made 112 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: a conference championship game since nineteen ninety five. You might 113 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 4: as well talk about the Saints or the Panthers. But 114 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 4: I am curious, do you think that you know, Dallas 115 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 4: is kind of still an interesting team or are like 116 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 4: are they relevant. 117 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 5: As a player. 118 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 6: As a former player, there was always noise around and 119 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 6: surrounding the Dallas Cowboys because of the star, because of 120 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 6: the history and the America's team and whatnot. But then 121 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 6: you say even play and you're like, man, look, they're 122 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 6: just like any other team. However, they have an owner 123 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 6: that is loud, that draws attention, that is going to 124 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 6: have us talking about this team for one reason or 125 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 6: the other, whether they're having success on the field or 126 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 6: whether they're making noise because of situations like contract disputes 127 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 6: or what have you. 128 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 5: We're going to be. 129 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 6: Talking about the Dallas Cowboys because that's how he has 130 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 6: orchestrated this thing. So are they relevant? Yeah, they are 131 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 6: relevant and their team. Look, we look at the Cincinnati 132 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 6: Bengals as a team that has a chance because they 133 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 6: have a great, elite quarterback and we call Joe Burrow 134 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 6: an elite quarterback. Dak Prescott has his work cut out 135 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 6: for him, regardless of what takes place with Michael Parsons 136 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 6: in that defense, Dak Prescott is healthy. You have added 137 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 6: another receiver. Let's see what you can do. 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That's 163 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 8: Covino and Rich. 164 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 4: Speaking of elite quarterbacks or Wannab's Caleb Williams in Chicago. 165 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: I'm coming under fire right now, Greg, just because I 166 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: had to take that, Like, it doesn't seem like Caleb 167 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: and Ben are on the same page. The messaging out 168 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: of Chicago, I don't think is great right now. We 169 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: had Albert Breer echo some of that earlier. Where are 170 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: you on this first year relationship? Remember Caleb was basically 171 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 4: freelancing his final year at USC just doing whatever, run 172 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: around guy, and he did a lot of the same 173 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: from Chicago last year where he didn't get a lot 174 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: of structure and he was running for his life. Took 175 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: sixty eight sacks all of a sudden, He's going to 176 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 4: be a drop back passer like a Jared Goff. 177 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: Is that what Ben wants? Do you think that's feasible? 178 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 6: Look, we had a chance of talk with Ben Johnson 179 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 6: earlier this week, and a lot of the questions were like, 180 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 6: where is he from a maturity standpoint for me? Because 181 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 6: the talent, I believe we all can agree it's there. 182 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 5: We know he possesses the skill set and the talent. 183 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 6: However, the acumen, the understanding of what is being asked 184 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 6: in certain situations, and then once you get that down, okay, 185 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 6: put your spin on it, spice it up a bit. 186 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 6: But until you get you can't just go out there freelancing. 187 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 6: And I think that's the messaging that Ben Johnson is 188 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 6: trying to get across to his young quarterback, and he 189 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 6: knows it's going there's going to be growing pains, there's 190 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 6: going to be moments that he does it and he 191 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 6: executes it well and it looks great, and we're going 192 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 6: to expect to see that moving forward the moment we 193 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 6: see it because of the talent that we know he possesses. However, 194 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 6: Ben Johnson is trying to be realistic and understanding. He 195 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 6: is a very young quarterback that probably didn't have this 196 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 6: type of discipline structure around him last season, and he 197 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 6: understands that, and so. 198 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 5: Talked about the first. 199 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 6: Play of the game of their preseason game against Kansas 200 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 6: City and the Jet sweep and that being on your 201 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 6: quarterback and how frustrated it is as a play caller 202 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 6: offensive coordinator in mind to see your quarterback not be 203 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 6: able to time that up, knowing that's all on you. 204 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 6: Those are the types of things that I feel like 205 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 6: Ben Johnson is trying to suppress a little bit because 206 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 6: it's like, we can't have those type of mistakes when 207 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 6: we're trying to be a team that's competitive. We have 208 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 6: all the weapons that we need, we're building all this 209 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 6: stuff around you to support you. You can't do those 210 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 6: types of things. There's certain mistakes that you can you 211 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 6: can take, we can handle that, we can correct that. 212 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 6: But when you make mistakes like that where it's on 213 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 6: your cadence to time up a guy that you put 214 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 6: in motion and we work this play all week and 215 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 6: it's stuff first player of the game, those are the 216 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 6: types of players that just stay with you as a 217 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 6: coach and as players, and you can't let that go. 218 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 219 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: So you see on the screen the Bears host the 220 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 4: Vikings on Monday Night Football in Week one. That's JJ 221 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 4: McCarthy in his first start with the Vikings versus Caleb 222 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: Williams who started last year and now has Ben Johnson. Listen, 223 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 4: when you were playing in the NFL, Greg, I'm sure 224 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: you would see the media overreacting. 225 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: You guys in the locker room would last. Now you're on. 226 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: This side with the media, you know there's going to 227 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 4: be a big overreaction to whoever. 228 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: Loses this game. If JJ McCarthy flopped off, he wasn't 229 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: the guy. You know, they should have kept Arnold. 230 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: If Caleb flopped, well, when's he getting benched for Tyson Bagon? 231 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, we're probably headed there in week one. 232 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 3: Do you think that this is fair to the young quarterbacks? 233 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 6: It's where we are, yeah, Jason, this is where we are. 234 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 5: Number one. 235 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 6: Caleb has come in with so much expectations surrounding him 236 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 6: and then to not deliver or to make it look like, man, 237 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 6: did you see what he was able to do even 238 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 6: though he had a really good rookie season. Is good 239 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 6: based on rookies coming in and playing at the quarterback position. However, 240 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 6: it wasn't Jade and Daniels, it wasn't CJ. 241 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 5: Stroud. 242 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 6: We have this, we have this sense of always desiring 243 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 6: to compare to what we last saw or what we're 244 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 6: seeing in current moments. 245 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 5: And for JJ, we just saw Sam Donald. 246 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 6: Take this team and nobody believed in Sam Donald. Nobody 247 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 6: believe in Sam Donald, and so for Sam Donald to 248 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 6: do what he was able to accomplish with that you 249 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 6: offensive unit, there's going to be pressure for JJ McCarthy 250 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 6: to an expectation that you know what, if Sam did it, 251 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 6: why can't you do it? 252 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 5: You are first round pick. 253 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 6: We know that you won a national championship at the 254 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 6: University of Michigan. You are supposed to come right in 255 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 6: and keep it rolling, and that's just unrealistic. Both coaches 256 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 6: understand that, but fan bases are a little more impatient, 257 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 6: and we in the media are even more impatient. 258 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 4: Greg Jennings, first things first, man, Greg, I'm so it's 259 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 4: good to know you as a human. You're a good dude. 260 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 4: I like your analysis. Enjoy the NFL. 261 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 5: Season, buddy, absolutely too. Take care of Rachel. 262 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: All right, the great Greg Jennings. Let's go to Rachel 263 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 4: Nichols with the news. 264 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 5: Turn on the news. 265 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News. 266 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: Greg Jennings, class pack. 267 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 7: That's all I gotta say. All Right, let's talk a 268 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 7: little Travis Kelsey because, as I mentioned in the last hour, 269 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 7: his Jersey sales have topped two hundred percent since he 270 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 7: and Taylor Swift announced their engagement. The song Swift put 271 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 7: on the Instagram announcement called so high School that search 272 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 7: four hundred percent and Spotify downloads Meta said the post 273 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 7: of their engagement has been reposted more than a million times, 274 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 7: which is the most. 275 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 5: In the history of Instagram. That's not all. 276 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 7: Yesterday Countsey announced a clothing line collab with American Eagle, 277 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 7: and those clothes already flying off the shelves. 278 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 5: So, Jason, I. 279 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 7: Wanted to get your take on this because we heard 280 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 7: Kelsey say earlier this summer, too many distractions last season, Right, 281 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 7: I'm cleaning up the distractions, and he put his money 282 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 7: where his mouth is, at least he seemed to over 283 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 7: the summer with the workouts. You've heard several of our 284 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 7: guys have come on for interviews this week say they've 285 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 7: never seen him in such good shape in years, and 286 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 7: he's clearly ready to go. 287 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 5: So which side are you on? 288 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 7: Are these distractions going to continue through the season or 289 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 7: do you feel like when it's football time, he knows 290 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 7: he's got to buckle down on football. 291 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as is usually the case, is both Right, 292 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: he knows. 293 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: It's time to buckle down. Let's get this stuff out 294 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: of the way. Let's get the engagement out of the way. 295 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 4: The big podcast with the with the wife and the 296 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 4: clothing line, is this the same one with the Sydney 297 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: Sweeney recently did Great Jeans or is that different? 298 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 7: It's a different it's the same company, but it's a 299 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 7: different stuff. 300 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: I don't even know the clothing brains, you know. I 301 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: think it's gonna be okay. 302 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: I'm just this where she writes suspension kind of twists 303 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: things because now there's more pressure on Kelsey Earth. 304 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because Hollywood Brown is still not a definite go. 305 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 7: I can't believe you just say, get the engagement out 306 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 7: of the way, let's get a wife. 307 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: You must be such a romantic at home. 308 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: Well, I'd less to trust me the wife who is 309 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: not happy during football season because I told her, listen, Sundays, 310 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: I gotta work Saturdays. Saturdays, well, you can watch the 311 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 4: college on your phone, but NFL you got I mean 312 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 4: multiple Television's red Zone fantasy gambling like it's it's a 313 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 4: scene and I'm ordering food every Sundays. 314 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 7: It's so you're going to be buckled down, not distracted 315 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 7: during football season. And I'm of the opinion Kelsey will too. 316 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 7: I think there's it's not a coincidence. This is all 317 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 7: happening in this dead. 318 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: Week before I would agree with you. 319 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, see let's talk a little Lions. Right, they 320 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 7: lost offensive coordinator Ben Johnson. We've just been talking about 321 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 7: him in Chicago, defensive coordinator Aaron Glent Jets. Now, some 322 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 7: people have been doubting if they'll have that same level 323 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 7: of success, But the guys over in Detroit say they 324 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 7: are motivated by all this talk. Ride receiver a Monray's 325 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 7: sa Mon Ross Saint Brown said they are looking forward 326 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 7: to seeing Ben right twice a year, and he actually 327 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,239 Speaker 7: told his former OC quote, we are going to FUO. 328 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 7: And I don't think he just said f that's just 329 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 7: me reading into it, but I believe he said more 330 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 7: than one letter. 331 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: That's just my guess. 332 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 7: Anyway, do you feel that this is going to motivate them? 333 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 7: Or if you look at this list of teams that 334 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 7: have had coordinators leave, it hasn't. 335 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: Gone great for them. So which way do you think 336 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: it's going to go? 337 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 7: These are teams that lost both their OC and their 338 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 7: DC in the previous season. 339 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: Oh mind, you. 340 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 7: Had one AFC Championship appearance from the Chargers, but otherwise, 341 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 7: time about wildcard losses. 342 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not great. 343 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 4: It's you know, I remember I asked Greg, Hey, whoever 344 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 4: loses between McCarthy and Caleb it's going to be open 345 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 4: season on the loser well that Lions Packers game. If 346 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 4: the Lions lose that see everything everybody said all summer. 347 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: They didn't look Chris not buttoned up. 348 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: I give up thirty four points and they lose, and 349 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: it's like the Lions are head toward disaster. We will 350 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: try not to overreact, but it's tough not to, right. 351 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: I mean, you've been doing this long enough, you know 352 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: there's going to be overreaction. 353 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 5: With you, of course. 354 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 7: I mean everything with the NFL is like that, and 355 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 7: that's good for the league in general. 356 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 6: Right. 357 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 7: I think that in the first month of the season 358 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 7: you will see a different Lions team than you will 359 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 7: for the rest of the season. I think that it 360 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 7: will take real game, live games, real decisions, real in 361 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 7: the moment things, for everyone to get on the same page. 362 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 7: For guys to start trusting the coordinators they did with 363 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 7: their old guys. Right, that's a relationship that requires sort 364 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 7: of having been been down there and doing it together. 365 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 7: But I think that comps. I think it comes pretty 366 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 7: quickly in the NFL because you're in a lot of 367 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 7: those situations right away. 368 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 6: So I wouldn't be. 369 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 7: Surprised if we see a little disorganization or a little 370 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 7: bit of you know, not being on the same page 371 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 7: in the first month, and then I think this is 372 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 7: too good a team. 373 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: To call apart because they lost a couple of guys. 374 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 4: I do like that this motivated you see on the screen, 375 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: and let's say they're seven and two out of the game. 376 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 3: Rachel. 377 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, and my favorite is when then they'll take online 378 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 4: your take on them from the summer to see this 379 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 4: guy was way wrong. 380 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: We used it as motivation, Rachel. I'm happy to help 381 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 3: and motivate these guys. You're doing to say a service, Jason, Exactly. 382 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: I don't think Munch of the Lions. I don't think 383 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 4: they're going to the playoffs. Use that as Boltimore material. 384 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 4: Call me out in November. I'm happy to help. 385 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 5: Is that fair? 386 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 7: Well, Hey, we'll play this clip in November. See, I'll 387 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 7: text Colin and tell them. 388 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 3: Play this in November. 389 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 7: Let's talk about Chicago. You were just talking to Greg 390 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 7: a little bit about Caleb Williams and the Bears. Look, 391 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 7: there's been plenty of conversations about problems he may be having, 392 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 7: but Caleb himself recently told the media, he is back 393 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 7: to finding joy in his game. In fact, he said, 394 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 7: one of the ways you can tell is that he's 395 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 7: painting his nails again, j Mac and that his body 396 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 7: language has been different. And in fact, that's something that 397 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 7: came a little bit from Ben Johnson that they sat 398 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 7: down and looked at tape right when Johnson got there, 399 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 7: and one of the big things was, you've got to 400 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 7: show calm. You've got to just you know, the body language, 401 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 7: the parts of your personality that are you. You can't 402 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 7: just swamp and lose all of that. So Caleb said, quote, 403 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 7: I'm just back to being myself. I'm being unapologetic about it. 404 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 7: I'm not going to apologize for it. I'm going to 405 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 7: be me. 406 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 5: Do you buy all of this? 407 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 7: Do you think that makes a difference on the field. 408 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 7: Do you like seeing this parts of his personality or 409 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 7: are you want of these called down to play football? 410 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 7: Young man? 411 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 6: Well? 412 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 3: What is back to myself? What is I don't know what. 413 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 7: That means that he felt he was filling a role 414 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 7: and not being put in a position to be who 415 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 7: he wanted. 416 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: To be out there. 417 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 7: I mean, there's certainly you know this idea in sports, 418 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 7: and we've seen it over and over again and in life. 419 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 7: Basically of I. 420 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 5: Tried to conform. 421 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 7: I tried to do what I was supposed to do. 422 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: But you know, being eighty percent of. 423 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 7: Someone else is not as good as being one hundred 424 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 7: percent of me, right for that expression, So I think 425 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 7: that's the idea of what he's trying to say. But 426 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 7: just with a lot of I'm not apologizing. 427 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: I'm unapologetic all that. 428 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 4: I know the Bears fans think we're hate and specifically men. 429 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: I don't hate Caleb with I like him. I just 430 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: don't see a lot of positives right now. And that's okay, 431 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 4: but I know that doesn't translate well on the internet 432 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 4: for the jabronis Rachel with the news. 433 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 434 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: Herd Line News all right. 435 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: Coming up next, we'll go to big tend Country Ohio 436 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: State Texas. You can't get enough of that. That's next. 437 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: One more Heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, 438 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: seven days a week. Within the iHeartRadio app, search Herd 439 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: to listen live or on demand whenever you like. The 440 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: show is just flying by. 441 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 4: As we head into the final twenty minutes, let's bring 442 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 4: in a guest from Big Ten Country, Anthony Herron's college football. 443 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 3: Analyst at the Big Ten Network. 444 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 4: He's got Wisconsin in action tonight. I mean, Anthony, it 445 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 4: feels kind of like Christmas, right. I know Week zero 446 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 4: is a soft launch for college football, but I know 447 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 4: you're excited for this weekend starting tonight. 448 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 9: Yeah, man, I cannot wait and the idea that at 449 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 9: Camp Braandle Stadium going into year three for Luke Fickle 450 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 9: and all the implications of what a program like Wisconsin 451 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 9: have in store for that. But then, of course not 452 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 9: the biggest game of the weekend in college football. But yeah, 453 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 9: I got a game to night. I'm at Purdue on Saturday. 454 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 9: I'm rocket and rolling. Man, It's college football season. 455 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: Geez, Purdue, per I call him per, don't but don't 456 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: tell him. I said that. Listen, man, we got to start. 457 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: We got to start with the big matchup, Ohio State 458 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: hosting Texas. Everybody wants to weigh in on Arch Manning 459 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 4: and his kind of real debut. I know he started 460 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 4: a couple of games last year against some you know, 461 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: lesser foes. There's a tall order for him to go 462 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: into Ohio State against the defending champs. 463 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 5: No, definitely. 464 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 9: Really, when you look at both lineups, there's a lot 465 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 9: of new personnel for each of these teams that they 466 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 9: have to deal with. And just getting to talk to 467 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 9: Ryan Day a couple of weeks ago, he's he seems 468 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 9: excited about that. 469 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 5: He's kind of using that as. 470 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 9: An additional way to invigorate him coming off of the 471 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 9: national championship, and even mentioned it shortly after the season 472 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 9: last year that it's great and there is some exhale, 473 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 9: some relief. He did the rubber chicken circuit for a 474 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 9: little while on various shows. But oh, let's go into 475 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 9: that opener and see how things go. If we're not 476 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 9: playing well against Texas, and then the pressure will be 477 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 9: right back on. That's just the pressure cooker that it 478 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 9: is when you're the coach in Columbus. But both these teams, 479 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 9: of course, have their first time starter at quarterback, you know, 480 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 9: being the full time starter for either of them. And 481 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 9: it's odd because arch Manning, even though he's still really 482 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 9: young and to your point, we haven't seen him start 483 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 9: a full season for Texas yet, but he is the 484 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 9: more experienced between the two. I do feel more certain 485 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 9: about what Julian's saying in Ohio State will have available 486 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 9: in playmakers in a line. 487 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 5: The continuity there with the. 488 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 9: Play callers and Ryan Davis just sort of matured this 489 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 9: program with this combination of finesse and physicality that wasn't 490 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 9: always is there. 491 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 5: And I can't. 492 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 9: Imagine a player to be able to handle the pressure 493 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 9: the scrutiny that arch Manning is under better than a 494 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 9: young quarterback. Has through a couple of seasons of sparingly 495 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 9: playing major college football, so he seems ready for it 496 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 9: as a personality and with his maturity, I'm just not 497 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 9: certain his game is there yet. To just sort of 498 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 9: anoint him as the number one pick in this coming draft, 499 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 9: I got to watch that play out first. 500 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: I totally agree. It's interesting. 501 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 4: Obviously your bio, you played high level college football, you 502 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 4: were in the NFL. 503 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: Now you're on the other side doing the media stuff. 504 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: Is it fair or unfair that in the NFL the 505 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 4: Eagles are the defending champs, but all we hear about 506 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: is Travis Kelce, Patrick Mahomes, Dallas Cowboys, blah blah blah, 507 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 4: and in college football it's the Arch Manning story. We're 508 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 4: not even talking really about the Eagles or we're not 509 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 4: talking about Ohio. 510 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: State, the defending champions. 511 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 4: Do we need to do better in the media mixing 512 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: it up or what's your take on that. 513 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 9: You know, I'm supposed to some extent where all or at 514 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 9: least many of us are guilty of it, But especially 515 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 9: when you're talking about the National Football League and the Eagles. 516 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 9: Even though Jalen Hurts is not some magnetic personality, He's 517 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 9: not a guy who you see all over social media 518 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 9: being out in the club everything else. But he is 519 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 9: a guy that carries himself with this maturity both mentally 520 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 9: and emotionally, and we saw that play out in college. 521 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 9: That seems to be what wins in the NFL. Of course, 522 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 9: Patrick Mahomes he can have a circus going in his 523 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 9: family sometimes and that tends to be a little more 524 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 9: interesting than when you got one of the great tight 525 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 9: ends of all time dating one of the most famous 526 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 9: women on the planet now engaged to one of the most. 527 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,479 Speaker 5: Famous women on the planet. 528 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 9: That's going to include a lot more folks into that conversation. 529 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 9: But if you just want to talk ball, how can 530 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 9: you not be passionate talking about the Eagles at what 531 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 9: they do on the line of scrimmage. I mean that 532 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 9: to me, it just kind of depends on which audience 533 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 9: to try to appeal to. The broader audience will come 534 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 9: with some of the more charismatic personalities. 535 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 5: But if you're just talking ball man, yeah, the Eagles are. 536 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 5: Where is that? 537 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, let me quickly ask about Penn State. 538 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 4: They're almost kind of written off as like the team 539 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: that cried wolf. 540 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 3: Every year it's Penn State. They're close, they got it, 541 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: and then James Franklin drops a bag in a big game. 542 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 4: It feels like, hey, this is probably the year Ala returns. 543 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 4: They got a great backfield, you know, preseason top five, 544 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 4: But it really comes down to can James Franklin win 545 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 4: a big game? Because I'm not bashing the guy, the 546 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 4: reality is he has struggled against elite A competition. 547 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 9: It's fair when you look at the record, there's no 548 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 9: doubt about that. But what he's done extremely well at 549 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 9: as elite a level as any program in the country. 550 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 9: Penn State doesn't lose those question mark games to teams 551 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 9: who shouldn't beat them. There's a skill in that. There's 552 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 9: a preparedness that goes into that as well. And I 553 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 9: mean years ago one of the first appearances I had 554 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 9: with Colin on this show back in the day, I 555 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 9: wasn't a believer in James Franklin and Penn State When 556 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 9: they were going into a game against Jim Harbaugh in 557 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 9: Michigan and they had Sae Kwon Barkley and weapons all 558 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 9: over the place and a fantastic defense. I just saw 559 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 9: Michigan was going to show up at Beaver Stadium and 560 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 9: punch him in the mouth. That didn't happen that week. 561 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 9: They blew Michigan out, and Penn State fans were all 562 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 9: in my bensons and everywhere else they did a couple 563 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 9: of weeks ago falter from that point. But my point 564 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 9: is I do believe this version of Penn State, especially 565 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 9: after what we saw last season. Now, if you want 566 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 9: to say being an eyelash away for the appearance in 567 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 9: the National Championship game, he didn't win any big games 568 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 9: on the way there, are going to disagree with you 569 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 9: on that, Jake. But what we saw now is a 570 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 9: very similar model from this past offseason to what Michigan 571 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 9: won the National Championship with two years ago and what 572 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 9: Ohio State won the National Championship with last year. Roster retention, 573 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 9: especially on the line of scrimmage. This has the potential 574 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 9: to be the best on the offensive line that James 575 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 9: Franklin has had at any point in over a decade 576 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 9: that he's been leading things for Penn State. And Drew 577 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 9: Aller he is one of the more physically gifted quarterbacks 578 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 9: that's going to come into this draft cycle. And now 579 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 9: he's got back to back years with Andy Kotelnikki as 580 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 9: his offensive coordinator. That should be extremely exciting to every 581 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 9: Penn State fan out there and frankly kind of scary 582 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 9: to the majority of college football because the size, the mobility, 583 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 9: the arm strength you're looking for it. Drew Allen would 584 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 9: have been a first round pick in this last draft 585 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 9: cycle if he decided to go out. 586 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 5: He didn't. 587 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 9: He came back to continue to mature his skills for 588 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 9: another season and they finally got him some playmakers on 589 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 9: the outside. So all that man coverage that Notre Dame 590 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 9: was locking down folks with all last season, and they 591 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 9: effectively did against pet State, It'll be a tougher task 592 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 9: for anyone wanting the man up on the Nickney Lions 593 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 9: this year. 594 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: I mean, it just feels like the last time we 595 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 4: saw Aler throw a pass. It was that disaster against 596 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 4: the Irish, like, what are you doing? 597 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 5: Kid? Was his worst pass. 598 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: I don't want to come off. 599 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: Like I'm bashing Franklin, but you know what was it, Jered? 600 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 4: I mean West was like one in eight in the 601 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 4: NBA Finals or something like. 602 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 3: That, maybe one or nine. 603 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: But Franklin, it's not just always struggled one in sixteen 604 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 4: against top five of I mean, Anthony, that's like you 605 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 4: can't argue like, well, this was in the rain and 606 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: this was a miss field goal and one in sixteen 607 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 4: is kind of like, oh, that's a problem, right. 608 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 9: And it was a problem for Dabo until he broke 609 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 9: through and got it done at Clemson and Mark Rick 610 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 9: had an amazing run going at Georgia and then they 611 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 9: just said, wow, this isn't good enough. And now we 612 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 9: see what's able to happen with Kirby Smart. But to 613 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 9: be amongst the top ten programs every single year now 614 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 9: over the last couple of years, amongst the top five 615 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 9: programs in college football, there's certainly something to be said 616 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 9: for that. And what really I was impressed by is 617 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 9: the way that James Franklin and Drew Aller and the 618 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 9: folks who came to Las Vegas for Big ten Football 619 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 9: media days. I was interviewing all of them for Big 620 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 9: ten Radio with Series XM and sitting down with James Franklin. 621 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 9: He did not shirk the response of ability of leading 622 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 9: knitting the Lions football and certainly didn't shirk the expectations 623 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 9: of Penn State fans. And I'm sure you've seen the 624 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 9: clips on occasion, whether it's the spring game or regular 625 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 9: season game last season with Penn State's coming out with 626 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 9: a victory, and it'd be some fan in the stands 627 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 9: wanting to say something to James Franklin. He knows what 628 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 9: the expectations offer his role, while he's also realistic about 629 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 9: what's been accomplished during his time there. And you know, 630 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 9: there's very few programs who went at the level of 631 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 9: the Penn State does. But that's why the expectations are 632 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 9: so high. It's a part of where you know, the 633 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 9: game I'm calling a Knight, the Wisconsin game, Luke Fickle, 634 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 9: Matt Rule both Going into year three, there's a different 635 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 9: feel from each fan base, though more positivity about where 636 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 9: Nebraska is because they know they've got a young budding 637 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 9: star as at quarterback, there are more questions about where 638 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 9: Wisconsin sits along those lines, so it hasn't necessarily eased 639 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 9: the bellies of Wisconsin fans so much so. Billy Edwards 640 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 9: taking the field tonight at Camp Brown for the first 641 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 9: time in the transfer portal, that's going to be a 642 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 9: big part of whether Wisconsin fans are going to love that. 643 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 9: But having Drew Aller for a third year as a starter, 644 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 9: and the receivers like Trevor Paianna and Kiren Hudson that 645 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 9: they brought in with Penn State, and they're still going 646 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 9: to be deep at tight end, by the way, and 647 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 9: so much NFL talent returns on defense, it doesn't even 648 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 9: have to all be on the shoulders of Drew Aller 649 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 9: to be a similar team to what they were last year. 650 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 9: But this should be the best version we've ever seen 651 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 9: of him as well. So, yes, expectations are high, and 652 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 9: they should be, but let's not ignore the results that 653 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 9: have been there. They've been amongst the elite in the 654 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 9: country for a decade. 655 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: All right, Anthey, we got about a minute left. 656 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 4: Miami Notre Dame historically a great battle, all eyes on 657 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 4: Carson Beck against the defensive guru Marcus Freeman of Notre Dame, 658 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 4: your quick thoughts on that game, Well. 659 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 9: Carson Beck, like I mentioned, you know a guy who 660 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 9: had potential to go to the NFL. Of course, a 661 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 9: year ago, Carson Beck was the presumed number one pick 662 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 9: in that next draft cycle, and then twenty twenty four happened. 663 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 9: So now he's got a fresh start. He's got a 664 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 9: new opportunity here. And for what happens with man coverage 665 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 9: Notre Dame on the back end, they're going to be 666 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 9: salty in the secondary. Yet again, the approach that Marcus 667 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 9: Freeman takes there to just man everyone up across the board, 668 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 9: there's going to be opportunities for Carson Beck to show 669 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 9: development because throwing into tight windows or even extending the 670 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 9: play when it's necessary, those haven't been his strengths and 671 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 9: to performing that way consistently during his previous stops. 672 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 5: Now we'll see whether or not not only. 673 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 9: His approach has matured, but has his game matured as 674 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 9: a quarterback, because he's going to be tested by Notre Day. 675 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 9: So with Mario Christobaul, he doesn't mind the game coming 676 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 9: down to Cold Crest depth late. So I do think 677 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 9: that this is going to be a low scoring affair 678 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 9: in whichever squad, whether it's a young quarterback for the 679 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 9: Irish or the experienced guy in Carson Beck, kind of 680 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 9: make that key play late. 681 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: We'll beside it, all right, Anthony Aaron, Big ten Network. 682 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 3: Great stuff. 683 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 4: Good luck tonight with the Wisconsin games. We'll talk to 684 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 4: you Someboddy his sah all right, great stuff. 685 00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: From Anthony Aaron. 686 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 4: Listen to College Football Weekend, your last respite before the 687 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: NFL consumes your. 688 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 3: Life for three plus months. Back at a minute,