1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,199 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, Death Investigator, Professor Forensics, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Scott Morgan has been on over ten 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: thousand death scenes and now he takes a part in 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: a way that only he can the homicides that we 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: are all investigating. Whether you're in the thick of it 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: with the police department or the FBI, or you're an 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: arm chair sleuth, Joe Scott Morgan will give you answers 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Body Bags Joe Scott Morgan. Following subscribe now on the 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you've listened to your 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: podcast Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't know 11 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: in recent memory if there's been a case that has 12 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: captivated America like the Gabby Potito case. This young beautiful 13 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: woman just kind of vanishes initially off of the face 14 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: of the planet. You had no idea where she is. 15 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: The family, they didn't even know she was gone for 16 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: almost ten days. They were frantically trying to get in 17 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: contact with her, and she had left on this odyssey 18 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: with her boyfriend, traveling across the nation on the trip 19 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: of a lifetime. Unfortunately, in Gabby's case, this turned out 20 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: to be. I don't know, a nightmare. This is body backs. 21 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan. The Gabby Potito case. When she 22 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: is finally found, when the questions are finally answered as 23 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: to where she is, mom and dad and her stepfather 24 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: are told that she's been found deceased in the rugged 25 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: terrain the Grand Teton Mountains. I don't know if any 26 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: of us can actually fathom the horror that's involved in that. 27 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: Joining me is Jackie Howard, executive producer of Crime Stories 28 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Jackie, what do we know about the 29 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: case so far? Joe Gabby Petito, twenty two years old, 30 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: went missing August twenty fourth, At least that's when we 31 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: believe she went missing. That was the last time she 32 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: was seen. Her parents reported her missing on September the eleventh. 33 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: During that time, we know that Brian Laundry was home 34 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: in Florida at his parents house, but would not answer 35 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: the family's request for where was Gabby. Gabby's body was 36 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: found September the nineteenth in the Grand Tetons. In the meantime, 37 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry has gone missing. There is a thirty thousand 38 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: dollar reward out for his whereabouts. The search for Brian 39 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: Laundry has been going on. Now they have searched the 40 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve, which is more than seventy underwater, looking for him. 41 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: Now we have information that he could be hiding in 42 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: Fort de Soto, also with camping sites and trails and 43 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: keys that you could travel to by boat. The FBI 44 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: has now taken over the search again. They are looking 45 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry. In the meantime, we go back to 46 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: the body being found. You know, Jackie, a lot of 47 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: times has been spent talking about Brian Laundry over these 48 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: past few days, and I got to tell you it's 49 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: as badly as I want him found. You know, something 50 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: happens in the media lots of times you lose sight 51 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: of the victim. And in this case, I'm going to 52 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: say her name. Her name is Gabby Petito. She's been found, 53 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: she's been found, and she's a homicide victim. For me, 54 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: we have to keep her in the forefront moving forward 55 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: because without her, without her, there's not gonna be a 56 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: case to prosecute him with and the evidence, the clues 57 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: that Abby and her body have left behind, and I 58 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: think that that's critical for us to examine. As you 59 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: said that, Joe, that is critical for us to examine. 60 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: The coroner has released as report a preliminary report. We're 61 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: still wedding on toxicology. But the preliminary report did say 62 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: and classify Gabby's death as a homicide. But why have 63 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: they released just the manner of death and no cause 64 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: as yet? What could they still be looking for? You know, 65 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: in Gabby's case, they have released a manner, as you mentioned, 66 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: and I got to tell you, one of the most 67 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: glaring things here is the fact that they released it 68 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: so quickly. You know, they did her autopsy on a 69 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, and by that afternoon they held a press 70 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: conference and did it well. They did a press release 71 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 1: and stated that they had in fact a manner of death, 72 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: but they weren't releasing the cause. And what's so striking 73 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: about the fact that they released this manner so quickly 74 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: gives me an indication. But they saw something glaring in 75 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: that autopsy suite. And folks might not understand what it's 76 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: like to be present at an autopsy. When you reach 77 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: this level of focus, you know, all bets are off 78 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: at that point in time. The authorities are going to 79 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: call in every possible expert that they have and just 80 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: kind of let me paint a picture for you. Within 81 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: this autopsy suite, obviously, we're going to have a forensic pathologist. 82 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: That's a board certified forensic pathologist that's going to be 83 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: doing and it's actually in charge of the examination of 84 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: Gabby's remains. But I hate to say this, but by 85 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: virtue the fact that Gabby's remains are probably partially skeletonized, 86 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: you're going to have a forensic anthropologist. And for those 87 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: that don't know, if you know the name the body 88 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Farm up at the University of Tennessee, this is the 89 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: kind of thing that they trained for. This is the 90 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: reality of what they do. All of that training, all 91 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: those things you hear about. They examined skeletal remains and 92 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: their biggest claim to fame is trying to pin down 93 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: not just what brought about a death, but how long 94 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: an individual has been dead. And then more than likely 95 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: they also had a forensic odentologist there because you know, 96 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: at the time there was a question about ID and 97 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: they wanted to specifically do that. So they're going to 98 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: do a dental examination and moreover, and this goes to 99 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: how big this case is the FBI was present. They 100 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: were present at the scene where Gabby was found, but 101 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: in addition to that, they were probably present at the autopsy. 102 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: I've actually worked cases during my career where we had 103 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: members of the FBI evidence team that were present in 104 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the morgan there there to actually collect any kind of 105 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: trace evidence. In particular, let's talk about that just a 106 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: little bit more, because we do know that Gabby's body 107 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: was found in the rugged terrain of the Grand Tetons. 108 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Her body had been there for several days. So what 109 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: are we looking at. How difficult did that make it 110 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: to come up with a cause of death or a 111 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: manner of death? And where does it go from here? 112 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: You know, that's the key, is where do we go 113 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: from here? Because right now we're still pending the actual 114 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: cause of death. Remember there's five manners of death. They 115 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: could choose from anything. You know. Obviously in her case 116 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: they've ruled it as a homicide. But we've got suicide 117 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: and natural and undetermined accidental. But they chose homicide. And 118 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: when they walked out of that door that day of 119 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: that morgue, and they affirmatively stated, we got a homicide here. 120 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: And I could tell you the term that was floating 121 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: around inside of that autopsy suite was a term evidence 122 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: of homicidal violence. And let that kind of sink in. Now, 123 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: they're not putting enough of a fine point on it yet. 124 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: And when we get to that point, they will have 125 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: accumulated all of the evidence that they needed to affirmatively 126 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: say that this is the actual causal effect that brought 127 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: about her death. Now that that could be any number 128 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: of things. You know, we're you know, we're talking about 129 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: two individuals that had been out Her and Laundry had 130 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: been out camping. Now I don't I don't know if 131 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: either one of these folks possessed firearm, but I do 132 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: know what they had. They had camping tools. You know, 133 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: we begin to think about, you know, what do you need? 134 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: You know, we saw that little tent that they were 135 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: living in addition to the van, they had this little 136 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: tent that they would set up. What do you need 137 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: to camp with? Well, you need probably a hammer or 138 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: mallet to drive tent steaks. Most campers carry a saw 139 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: with them. You know, some people cutting down brush. I 140 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: think that more than likely you need to shovel, all right, 141 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: and certainly everybody that goes camping has some type of 142 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: sharp instrument, don't they. And you know, when you look 143 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: at the scene where her body is found, one of 144 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: the things that really jumped out to me Jackie was 145 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: the fact that she's adjacent to kind of a creek 146 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: bed and there are these beautiful, very smooth round stones 147 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: out there and they're in all manner of shapes. Well, 148 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: guess what those stones could be used for. They could 149 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: be used for the specific purpose of bludgeoning. And bludgeoning 150 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: is actually where there is an impact related injury, Like 151 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: you pick up a stone and you actually drive it 152 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: into the skull and it creates like a depressed skull 153 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: fracture you can bludge and the rest of the body 154 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: as well. It's blunt force trauma at the end of 155 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: the day. So they're trying to weed through all of 156 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: these things and this is disrupted as a result of decomposition. 157 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: This is what we call in forensics decompositional artifact. That's 158 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: those little things. You hear that term artifact and you 159 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: think about ancient Egypt and you know what, you know 160 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: what archaeologists do, but artifact for us in forensics are 161 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: those little things that are left behind. And one of 162 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: the things I'm very happy about is that the FBI 163 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: Response Team Evidence Response Team were actually there. They were 164 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: there at the scene. And not only were they at 165 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: the scene, my money is on the fact that they 166 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: were present at the autopsy. And guess what they're looking for. 167 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: They're looking for all these little artifacts, anything that might 168 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: be a tie back to her actual cause of death, 169 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: not the manner, but the actual cause of death. It 170 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: could be anything from a broken knife blade. It could 171 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: be an impression that's left behind. If you will think about, 172 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: for instance, like a hammer. If you look at that 173 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: leading edge of a hammer, it's kind of shaped like 174 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: a coin, almost like a quarter in size. Well, that 175 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: leaves behind a very distinctive mark on the body. When 176 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: the body is struck, you've got a hemorrhage, and then 177 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: you've got an underlying fracture. And do you know that, 178 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: actually many times with the fracture, the fracture takes on 179 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: the outline of a coin. Isn't that amazing? And if 180 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: the leading surface of the hammer has kind of a 181 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: dimpled texture to it, those dimples, the negative, if you will, 182 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: impression of that surface will be left behind on the skin. 183 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: But the trick is here is the fact that we 184 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: know that because she'd been down so long, she's decomposing, 185 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: and that kind of creates a problem when you're moving 186 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: forward and you're trying to analyze this evidence. That means 187 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: that it's obscured, so you have to take more time. 188 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: It's not just going to be very very obvious. Like 189 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: you know someone, you hear a gunshot, you run upstairs, 190 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: you find somebody has taken their life with a gun. 191 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: All right, guns laying there, you got a bullet hole, 192 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: and you can kind of move forward from there very quickly. 193 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: That that's not the case here with Gabby. Gabby is 194 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: in an isolated area, Jackie. She's in an area that 195 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: I would imagine the line share of people in the 196 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: United States have not even come close to visiting. I 197 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: know I have, and I'd love to. I've always want 198 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: to go to the Tetons, but it is isolate. There's 199 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: reasons why people go to these locations. It's to get away, 200 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: to get away so that you don't have seal service, 201 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: so that you're not around a computer, to really drink 202 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: in nature. And it's absolutely beautiful, but it is deadly. 203 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: And another thing that you're contending with up there is 204 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: what happened as she laid there. Well, she's subjected to weather, keet, 205 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: the drop of temperature. That's going to have an impact 206 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: on how her body reacts. Also, and people, many people 207 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about this, but this is the 208 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: reality which you're faced with as a medical legal death investigators. 209 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Animal activity, anything that happens post mortem, you know, and 210 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, people automatically the default position for most people, 211 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: and I've heard this in the news over and over again. 212 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: You know, people say, oh, well, yeah, you got codies, 213 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: and you got wolves, and you got bear and all 214 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: these sorts of things. And that's not what I'm worried about. 215 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: Some of the most seemingly innocuous animals on the face 216 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: of the planet, things like raccoons, awesomes, those types of animals. 217 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: Those animals are scavengers. And yes they're not that you know, 218 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: people have this idea that they're that they're vegetarian, I 219 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: guess are herbivores. They're not. They're omnivores. They will actually 220 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: feast on bodies. And then you have insect activity. So 221 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: everything that comes in contact with a body, any kind 222 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: of animal like this, is going to take something away. 223 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: But the animal is going to leave something. It's going 224 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: to leave its mark upon the body, and it can 225 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: kind of give you an idea. And most of these 226 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: animals are not going to be present at the same time, 227 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: these scavengers, And so when we look at this, this 228 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: is one of the things that the forensic pathologist and 229 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: all of the other evidence people that are collecting evidence 230 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: have to take into consideration. And you know, the investigation 231 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: of her death is not just simply end with removing 232 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: her from the scene, taking her to the autopsy room 233 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: and examining her body there. Once you get her body 234 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: removed from the scene, that area and you know, I 235 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: want to make this perfectly clear, the area that was 236 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: underlying her body. That's significant. You have no idea when 237 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: you're looking at a body at a scene, what might 238 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: be hidden beneath that lower surface, that underlying surface that 239 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: supported the body all that time. There could be it 240 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: could be an evidence rich environment. Again, if you're talking 241 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: about gunshot ones, for instance, you could have a projectile 242 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: down there. You can I've actually had cases where perpetrators 243 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: have killed someone and have actually taken the weapon and 244 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: obscured it beneath the body. I remember quite distinctly I 245 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: had a guy that stabbed a fellow to death and 246 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: then scratched the ground out below the body and buried 247 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: the knife beneath the body. And we're looking everywhere for 248 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: this knife. We're thinking that the perpetrator has moved on. 249 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: And then suddenly, after we had the body removed, one 250 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: other investigator looked down and saw just the tip of 251 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: the handle hanging out. You never know what's going to 252 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: be out of sight. It's not necessarily those things there 253 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: in playing say, so, once they removed the body, my 254 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: suspicion is they probably took a metal detector and waved 255 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: it over that area where body was found. Because you 256 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: get one shot at you want to collect everything. And 257 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where they stand right now. The 258 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: only other thing regarding her body that people need to understand, 259 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: because when you do a post mortem examination that is 260 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: an autopsy, it's not just physically looking at the body 261 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: and doing a dissection or in the case of humans, 262 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: or pro section, you're you're also having to go down 263 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: to a molecular level. You have to think about, well, 264 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: what's contained in their system, you know, And that's why 265 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: we draw blood, that's why we draw urine. That's why 266 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: we draw vitreous from the eyes. Many people don't know 267 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: that we draw fluid out of the eyes. We take 268 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: all of these samples and we send them to the 269 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: lab and these things will be run for toxicological examination. 270 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: And what you're looking for is any kind of substance 271 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: that's in system. Okay, it might be a prescription drug 272 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: that people might be on. It could be an elicit drug, 273 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: an elicit substance, any number of things that are illegal 274 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: to possess. It could be poisons. Those are some of 275 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: the things that that talxicologists look for. So it's a 276 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: real broad spectrum. And this is you know, I like 277 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: to say, forensic science is not microwave science. It takes time. 278 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: And many people don't understand that. It's not television. It's 279 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: not wrapped up in an instant. I know that's kind 280 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: of cliche, but that's the reality of it. It takes time. So, Joe, 281 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: the one thing that you're talking about is the evidence 282 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: that is there. The evidence can be found, the evidence 283 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: that might be under the body, the evidence that you 284 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: can detect, but being out in the elements as she was. 285 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: One thing that you have to consider is the evidence 286 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: that's not there. The evidence that has been washed away, 287 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: corroded by the weather, corroded by the temperature, destroyed by 288 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: the animals. Wow, do investigators proceed from here? What can 289 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: you do about it? You know? One of the biggest 290 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: things that it was kind of left out in that list, 291 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: and it was a great list, you know, one of 292 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: the biggest enemies of an investigator relative to a death 293 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: scene outdoors, something very common. It's something very benign, seemingly 294 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: what's that Let me guess the wind. The wind is 295 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: a big one. But even bigger than that. Rain, rain, rain, rain, 296 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: because rain washes away, it cleanses things. It's it's nature. 297 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: It's what nature does. You know, you can go outside, 298 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, after it's rained many times in the summertime, 299 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: it's got that clean smell to it. Well yeah, but 300 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: there's also a downside of that. If you're a forensic investigator, 301 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: it means that things have been cleansed to a certain degree, 302 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: particularly outside and all of this organic material. And you know, 303 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: let's not forget that all of the images that we've 304 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: kind of seen have been adjacent to this kind of 305 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: riverbed looking area. Well, if they had some kind of 306 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: torrential downpour, which can come and go. Ground can dry 307 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: out pretty quickly. But if it became torrential, you figure 308 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: that water's flowing over the rocks. If she is suspended 309 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: between a log and some of these rocks, the water 310 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: could actually can you imagine what effect that if you 311 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: had whitewater that suddenly appeared, it could actually bathe the 312 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: body and bathe the way anything that might be contained 313 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: therein So at the end of the day, you can't 314 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: sit back and say, oh, what is me? You know, boohoo, 315 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: I don't have the evidence. No, you have to drive 316 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: on with what you have and take what nature leaves 317 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: for you to examine. That's why it's so critical to 318 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: be as thorough as you possibly can. And also, you know, 319 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: as an investigator, it's incumbent upon you, as crazy as 320 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: it sounds, to go back and look at weather reports. 321 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: I've done this any number of times, things like damn releases, downpours, 322 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: anything that's associated with weather. Also, you know, Jackie, you've 323 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: mentioned when when has a huge impact when you think 324 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: about things like touch DNA. It's so fragile. Think about 325 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: when you think about touch DNA. You know, we think 326 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: about losing skin cells. And that's that's essentially what it 327 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: comes down to. Think about how delicate baby powder is TALC. 328 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: If you just take a little bit of talk and 329 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: put it in your hand and gently blow on it, 330 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: that gives you an idea. It'll put you in the 331 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: ballpark with touch DNA. But touch DNA is even more 332 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: fragile than that. It can be gone in an instant 333 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: if the perpetrator put their hands on her like around 334 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: her neck, and you had a strong wind that came by, Yeah, 335 00:20:43,640 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: it could compromise that DNA evidence that's present there. You 336 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: were talking about being thorough, and you did a great 337 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: job in describing that to us. So then we have 338 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: to apply that to the van that Gabby and Brian Laundry, 339 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry were living in. That van 340 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: is going to tell us, in my mind, and I'm 341 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: not a death investigator so much, it's going to tell 342 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: us about what went on before Gabby died. Did she 343 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: die in the van, did she die outside the van. 344 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: It's gonna tell us whether she had been hurt before. 345 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: It's going to tell us what was there when Brian 346 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: if he was in that van alone, which we do 347 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: believe he was because the van ended back up in 348 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: Florida in his parents' driveway, so obviously at some point 349 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: he was in that van alone. Pick it up from there, Joe, 350 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: what do we do where we go? And what did 351 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: the authorities due when they took that van away and 352 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: processed it? Everybody, in the sound of my voice, I 353 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: want you to look at a picture of the van 354 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: that Gabby owned, not Brian laundry, that Gabby owned. Look 355 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: at that van. One of the things that absolutely stands 356 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: out to me about that van, other than the fact 357 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: that it was outfitted to go on a journey. You know, 358 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: it had the external ladder and I guess the luggage 359 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: racks and all this stuff, one of the things that 360 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: stands out to me relative to that van is the 361 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: fact that that van, other than the windshield and the 362 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: driver's window and the passenger's window, no windows. There were 363 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: no windows whatsoever. So anything that you wanted to do 364 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: within that van to be done in total concealment. Think 365 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: about that just for a second. If you wanted to 366 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: make yourself a ham sandwich in there, you could do it. 367 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: No one would see you. You know, if you wanted 368 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: to play dominoes. No one would see you. You wanted 369 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: to commit murder, no one would see you. It would 370 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: be done in obscura. No one would be able to 371 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: witness any kind of violence that was going in there. 372 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: Now you might hear, if you're close enough, you might 373 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: hear screams, You might even see the van rock back 374 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: and forth. But my estimation is is that whatever horror 375 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: befell Gabby more than likely took place within the walls 376 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: of that van, within those walls that she and Brian 377 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: Laundry had actually ripped out, reconfigured, and put together for 378 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: this trip that they were planning on doing. And that's 379 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: the heartbreaking part of this. This van was emblematic of 380 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: everything that they wanted to do, everything she wanted to do, 381 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: this grand adventure. But from an evidentiary standpoint, this thing 382 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: is what we call a target rich environment. Besides the 383 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: Potito Van Joe, federal authorities also took Brian laundry silver 384 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: Mustang in for processing. It had been left at the 385 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve. The mother and father had gone to the 386 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: reserve and brought it back home to their family house 387 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: and brought it back home when Brian Laundry disappeared, So 388 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: what were the authorities looking for? Anything different in the car? 389 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: And since it was not out there where Gabby Petito died, 390 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: so what were they looking for here? Yeah, Holy smokes, 391 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: that Mustang got returned really quick. You can actually see it, 392 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: to see it in videography. The most recent videography of 393 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: the laundry's home is sitting right there in the driveway. 394 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: But what's not there in that driveway is that van 395 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: that was taken on a cross country trip, you know, 396 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: and it had been completely tricked out. I mean it 397 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: contained all of these appointments inside of it, which is fantastic. 398 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: But from a forensics standpoint, every item, and we've seen 399 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: interior shots of the van, every item, every surface within 400 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: that van's interior has potential to yield a harvest of 401 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: forensic evidence. And I'm talking everything from at a molecular 402 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: level with DNA to a visible level with things like 403 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, blood staining, and secondly, anything that's out of sorts, 404 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: like dents, things being broken, things that look like that 405 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: might indicate that there was a struggle within that van. 406 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: That's all critical. Now as you begin to peel away 407 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: the interior, and I can tell you that's what the 408 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: authorities are doing. They're taking this thing apart, piece by peace, 409 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: by peace, and they are examining all of the underside, 410 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: the backside, every item that's in there. I'm looking at 411 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: a little desk that they actually created that's on one 412 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: of the doors, the side doors of this thing. They 413 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: would actually take that little portable desk off and look 414 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: at it and photograph it and be very careful with it. 415 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: They will have stripped the entire inside of that vehicle out, 416 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: enumerated each thing that they took out, because each thing 417 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: is potential evidence, and they're going to get down into 418 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: the nooks and the crannies of this van, all the 419 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: little holes where they drop screws into to support areas, 420 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: all the little crevices that might have overlying you know, 421 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: floor work that's been done, that stuff's coming up. They're 422 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: going to get down into those knooks and crevices and 423 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: look for anything like blood. The disturbing part to all 424 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: of this is that Laundry had possession of this van 425 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: for days, for absolute days, and you know, just this 426 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: quick turnaround trip that he made from Wyoming back to Northport, 427 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: there's any number of places he could have stopped and 428 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: that over that thousand plus mile trip to pull over 429 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: to a car watch for instance, you know, the ones 430 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: with the high pressure wants dropped a bunch of quarters 431 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: in there, and he begins spraying the entire interior out. 432 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: Maybe he thought that it was a great idea to 433 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: go somewhere and buy some bleach and dump it all 434 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: over the place. There's gonna be evidence of that, because 435 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: I can tell you what they're gonna be doing. They're 436 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: still gonna be looking for trace evidence, but they're also 437 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: gonna be doing things like luminol or blue Star, trying 438 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: to get any kind of left behind blood to luminous. 439 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: And even if he's made an attempt to clean that 440 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: area up, the cool thing about it, you can eradicate 441 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: that very easily. And I don't you know, everybody talks 442 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: about what an outdoorsman he is. You know, he's hiked 443 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: up and down the Appalachian Trail, he lives on the land. 444 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: You know what he ain't. He's not crimsine an investigator, 445 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: he's not a forensics expert. He's not going to fool 446 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 1: any of us, I mean any of us in forensics. 447 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: Because he couldn't get the band clean enough. And you know, 448 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: whatever he brought home with him is also critical because 449 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: if he emptied out that van brought it into the house, 450 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: any of her possessions, any of their quote unquote their 451 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: possession scenes that they had jointly, anything that went into 452 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: that house that the FBI may have found. There may 453 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: be evidence on there of a life lived by Gabby. 454 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: That is, bloodstain, any kind of body fluid, tufts of hair, 455 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: maybe her touch DNA. Nothing is off the table on 456 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: this kise, so Joe. As the investigation continues, the one 457 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: thing that we're still waiting on is the toxicology and 458 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: the cause of death. What are they looking for in 459 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: that toxicology, Well, they're going to look for all manner 460 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: of agents that could be contained in there, and it's 461 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be anything from prescription medication. There's been 462 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: a lot of talk, some of it non verified, but 463 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, anything to maintenance your life with, like uh, 464 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, anti depressent drugs, anything like anti anxiety medication. 465 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: They're also going to look for, let's say, signs of alcohol. 466 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: What we do a blood alcohol level of BA as 467 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: we refer to it, or blood ethanol level. They're going 468 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: to check for that. Additionally, they'll look for things as 469 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: innocuous as aspirin. I don't I don't know folks at 470 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: home understand that. But you look for what are called solicillates, 471 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: and those are actually that's evidence that you're taking an aspirin. 472 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: They'll even probably find a seat a menaphon, perhaps as 473 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: she was taking any other kind of anti inflammatory drug. 474 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: But they're going to look for poisons as well, any 475 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: anything that could have harmed her. And one other thing 476 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: that's really critical here. They're also in a to toxicology. 477 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: They're going to do what's called histology, and histology is 478 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: at autopsy, we take little slivers of tissue, we fix them, 479 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: put them on a slide, and you look at the 480 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: body literally in a microscopic setting. You look at how 481 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: that tissue looks, how it appears, and anything that has 482 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: adversely affect that tissue or change that tissue is going 483 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: to be noted, and there'll be an entire histological report 484 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: as well, and everything. Nothing is off of the table here, 485 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: all right, Because one of the things that you have 486 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: to consider is what is the motivation for a grown 487 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: man to be in an open street in public slapping 488 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: a ninety five pound young lady. Well, I mean they're 489 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: in a intimate relationship together, and one of the things 490 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: as an investigator I'm going to want to ask is 491 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: what you're pregnant. I want to know that, and that's 492 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: something that will be examined at autopsy. Had she been 493 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted anyway, that will have been examined at autopsy. 494 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: Rate kit will have been performed. So those test results 495 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: are pinning as well, and we'll see, we'll see what 496 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: they reveal. Until next time. This is Bodybacks. I'm Joseph 497 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan.