1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders, Tom Pelisaro along with Juda 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Batista and Ian Rapaport. If you are listening on the podcast, 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: this is part two. Doesn't matter. You can listen to 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: this part first, then go back to Part one, different 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: subject matter in each one. Over there, we talked about 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: the AFC playoff picture. We ran through some of the 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: key injuries out of Sunday's games, including Patrick Mahomes out 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: for the season and for the entire twenty twenty six 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: off season essentially because of a torn ACL. Michael Parsons 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: also suffering now confirmed a torn ACL. Two massive massive injuries. 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Also DeVante Adams banged up. Sounds like they're optimistic, not 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: a long term absence for him with a hamstring injury, 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: but for the one team that has clinched a playoff 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Berth in the NFC, that is goin to bear mentioning 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: as we move forward, take a look care at the 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: NFC playoff picture. It's not quite as chaotic, I feel 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: like as the AFC, but we are still in a 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: situation where we're going to go into Week six team 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: with no team having clinched a playoff Berth with exactly excuse, 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: no team having clinched a Division one team in each conference, 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: having clinched a playoff berth The Rams won yesterday, They've 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: got the Seahawks on Thursday night in a huge, huge game. 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: The Bears won, the Eagles finally got a blowout win. 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: The Panthers lost, and so the Bucks three days Judy 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: after hembrhaging the top spot and control their destiny, now 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: have it back as we move on into the final 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: part of the season. Here the NFC West, it's obvious 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: by looking at the standings that is probably I would 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: say the best division in football right now. And there's 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: a lot of unknowns here in terms of even the 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: Rams sitting there's the first team in. They could potentially 32 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: be as low as the seven seed by the time 33 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: this thing gets wrong. 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: Let me just start by saying, watching the Rams game 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: when Davante pulled up and then remember Pooka had the 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: cramps at one point, and so he was I was like, 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: stop the games, just stop playing the games, because everybody's 38 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: getting hurt. 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: I hate those sequences. 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: It looks serious for people like he stands up very 41 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: bad and then it's like his leg gives out with 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: classic cramps. 43 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: But it looked worse than that. 44 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was when I was like, just maybe we 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: take a pause on the games today anyway. Well, I 46 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: mean the Seattle game now on Thursday night, I think 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: is probably Yes, I agree, it's probably the biggest Thursday 48 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: night game we've ever seen. The implications are enormous. I 49 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: am most crazy. I am fascinated to see if the Eagles, 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: who had the get right game we anticipated they would 51 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: have against the Raiders, right, they seem to have figured 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: out their offense. It looked much better. They were running 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: the ball, Jalen looked more comfortable running, they were doing 54 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: all the things you'd hope they would do all season. 55 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: Does that really carry over to a team that is 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 2: not the Raiders, who are just a dreadful football team 57 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: right now? I'm really interested to see if, like, did 58 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: that really flip the switch or was that just a 59 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: product of the team they were playing. And I'm also 60 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I am like sort of fascinated in that 61 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: like watching a car wreck kind of way. The Bucks 62 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: and Panthers situation, I mean, the NFC stuff, like is 63 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: somebody going to win this division? 64 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: Like? 65 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: What's I mean? You know the Bucks have it in 66 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: front of them. I think but can they can they 67 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: close it out there? Getting healthier, all the things we've 68 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 2: been waiting for. The offense is finally intact. I mean 69 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: can they Can they do it? Though? You know? 70 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 4: Yeah? 71 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: This NFC playoff picture is kind of fun because it's 72 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: not like wild and crazy like and there's really not 73 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: a It's like Kyle Brand always talks about the come 74 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: running team like there doesn't seem to be one. It's 75 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: just like, you know, it feels like we know where 76 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: you know, we probably know five of the teams right now. 77 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: The Lions to me are like the most interesting because 78 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: if they get in and right now they're not in, 79 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: I mean nobody's in. But that's not true. The Rams 80 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: are in, but. 81 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: Right now they're not in. 82 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: But if they do get in, I think they would 83 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: immediately be viewed a welcome back to these studies. I'm 84 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: Ian Rappaport, like explosive, scary, nobody if you want to 85 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: face them and Mike Garrett literally not in right now, 86 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: and so like, do they fight their way in? I mean, 87 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: do they somehow get them? 88 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: That's going to be interesting. 89 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: The Packers again after losing Micah, do the Packers make 90 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: a big state the Bears, and everyone goes, Okay, they're 91 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: actually going to be fine. 92 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: And then well if they if they beat the Bears, 93 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: not only are they up a half game, but they 94 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: would have swept them. So now they've got Yeah, they 95 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: have the tie breakers come in, but it's a lot harder. 96 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: The path of the Bears becomes significantly harder if you 97 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: get swept by Green Bay. The Bears also take on 98 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: the San Francisco correct they go to San Francisco the 99 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: week after and then they finish it home against the Lions. 100 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: So that division potentially could come all the way down 101 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: to week eighteen and maybe a game two seventy two 102 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: or whatever we call it now. 103 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you know the last is like you know, Judy, 104 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: you said, Cark I, we're talking about the Raiders, which 105 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: is another interesting thing. But the Bucks Panthers is like 106 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: in a weird way, like you sort of feel like 107 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: both should probably get in, Like I don't think that 108 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: they will. It seems like it should be won, but 109 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: like the Panthers have had the best season they've had 110 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: in quite a while, and it's been really impressive in 111 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: so many ways, and there's still seven and seven and 112 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: like may not get in. I don't know. Either way, 113 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: it would sort of be you know, you'd sort of 114 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: like them to earn some fruits of their labor. But 115 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: either way, things you're looking. 116 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: Up for Carolina. 117 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: The Panthers are still a confounding team. I mean, you 118 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: want to talk about the best wins and the worst losses. 119 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: They beat the Packers in Green Bay, they beat the 120 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: Rams who are eleven and three and in the playoffs 121 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: at home, and then you get swept by the Saints. 122 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a fair case, all right, set the 123 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: records aside. If this were if we were the college 124 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: football playoff Committee, and it didn't matter how many games 125 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: you win, it's all about like. 126 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 4: Who do we like? Like that, that'd be great. 127 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: I kind of be scared of the Saints right now 128 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: if we're talking any team in that division. They just 129 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: beat the Bucks in the pay Anthers in consecutive weeks. 130 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: They swept the Panthers as much as you know, we 131 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, I know post its on on social media 132 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: and you did too last night. It's like, yeah, it's 133 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: great to get a draft pick. We all want our 134 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: we want the number one pick and all that, but 135 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: like you want to have some momentum when it's been 136 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: a hard season, judy for any of these teams. I mean, 137 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, Okay, the Raiders might end up with the 138 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: number one pick. The Raiders are historically bad. They had 139 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: seventy five yards of offense yesterday against the Eagles. That 140 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: is virtually impossible in the modern NFL. Great, you might 141 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: get the number one pick. You might go get from 142 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: Nando Mendoza or whoever it is, like, what what are 143 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: you working with? Whereas the Saints they may well play 144 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: their way out of even a top ten pick at 145 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: this point, But at least you can see the building 146 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: blocks of the direction that the Saints are going. I 147 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: don't know what the Raiders are in twenty twenty six. 148 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good idea what the Saints are. 149 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: And as much as maybe they're not winning the Super 150 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: Bowl next season, you at least understand where the vision 151 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: is headed for Kellimore. 152 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: In that group, well, there's no question you feel much 153 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: better about the Saints. They may have the quarterback like 154 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: he's he's done. Okay, the last few weeks Kellen Moore 155 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: has has been fine as a head coach. You feel 156 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: a lot better about the same The Raiders are like his. 157 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: Remember I mean the Browns team that went winless, Like 158 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: you watch the Raiders and you're like, is this one 159 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: of the worst teams ever? Like coach house right, And 160 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: that's exactly what I thought. 161 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: That one still the weirdest game of the season. And 162 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: then they beat the Titans, who also are in contention 163 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: for the worst team in the NFL. They've lost every 164 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: other game. There's no way you expected that. 165 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: And they're losing by big margins, like you're right there. 166 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 2: It's like they are really bad. And we talk about 167 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: blowing up teams, but I mean, I feel like this, 168 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: the entire thing needs to be blown up, like the building, 169 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: like everything you almost have to you feel like you 170 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: have to tear it down to the studs. And who's 171 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: making the decisions. I saw somebody I can't remember who suggested, 172 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: like tom Brady needs to take over, you know, football operations. 173 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, all of respect to Tom Brady, loves Tom Brady, 174 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: but do we have any idea of Tom Brady would 175 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: be good at it? I mean no, he. 176 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Did it last year. He presided over the coaching search 177 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and the GM search and the quarterback situation, and he 178 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: was not a fan of Sam Donald. 179 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: Was not a big fan of Sam Donald made this, 180 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: I mean, the idea of putting it all in Tom. 181 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: First of all, it couldn't happen because of his broadcasting 182 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: duties unless he gave that up. But I mean it's 183 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: just like. 184 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 4: Huh, that's nothing Tom's defense. It's hard to do this 185 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: as part part times. It's very not in the building. 186 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: It's really hard. But I mean the first big decision 187 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: obviously has to be like, is Pete Carroll staying? I mean, 188 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: it's been a disaster with Pete Carroll as the head coach. 189 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: It's yeah, I don't really know where they go, and 190 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: I feel bad for Ridder's fence. 191 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: One other team that's at the bottomy end of the 192 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: of those playoff standings right now is still technically alive, 193 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: but it's a really, really uphill battle. 194 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 4: We're in like that one percent range. 195 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: The Cowboys take a loss last night, and I know 196 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: that there have been various points, right I've seen it. 197 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: Talk about a good morning football. Obviously, you talked about 198 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: our networks where it's like, oh man, the Cowboys the 199 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: team you don't want to see. This has kind of 200 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: been the definition of the Cowboys season. Which is every 201 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: time you kind of get your hopes up that they're 202 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: going to take that step forward, they deliver a performance 203 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: like last night. You know, the Vikings played well offensively, 204 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: but the Cowboys defense that's had all this investment and 205 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: all this positivity, they give um some big plays to 206 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: a quarterback in offense that had that big plays the 207 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: entire season. 208 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 4: It's just kind of Dallas's season in a nutshell right now. Yeah. 209 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: And I sort of personally like I thought they'd be better. 210 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: I had sort of higher hopes. The offense is really good. 211 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: I was like, well, the defense can kind of just 212 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: hang on, and they have not been able to hang on. 213 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: I thought Matt. 214 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: Eberfush was going to be a really good hire, and 215 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: we'll see, but nothing has been really good there except 216 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: for a small stretch when they got some infusion of 217 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: talent and they looked a little better. You know, we'll 218 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: see what his future obviously isn't in Dallas, I'm sure 219 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: will be a huge question going forward. Trading Micah Parsons, 220 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: not that everything goes back to that, but everything goes 221 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: back to that. Trading Micah Parsons means it is a 222 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: transitioneer and this felt like a transition year, except that 223 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: the quarterback is like thirty three and they have weapons 224 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: in their prime. But it felt like a transitioner, and 225 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: they're watching them on Sunday night at least confirm that 226 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: a little bit. They're okay, but they need to be 227 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: better in a lot of areas. 228 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: Speaking of transition years, the Vikings also with an older 229 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: compete now roster, coming off a fourteen win season. I 230 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: know what the perception has been about the team. I 231 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: know what the perception has been about JJ McCarthy. Let 232 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: the record show JJ McCarthy, now four and four as 233 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: the starter coming off back to back strong performances last 234 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: night set career highs. Looked like an NFL starting quarterback. 235 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes maybe a little bit of patients would benefit us all. 236 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more on the Insiders. 237 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: We talked about some of the bad teams in the NFL, 238 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:13,479 Speaker 1: including the Raiders, who again approaching historic levels, especially offensively. 239 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: You've seen the likes of Max Crosby showing some frustration 240 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: on the field yesterday. 241 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: The direction, what is the vision all in. 242 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: Question, But when it comes to the number one pick. 243 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 4: Very much in the mix. As we come down the stretch. 244 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: The Giants, not for a lack of trying to compete, 245 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: not for a lack of having some pieces to build 246 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: for in the future. They cannot win a game right now. 247 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: And then you got the Titans at the number one 248 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: pick last year they drafted cam Ward. I think we 249 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: have seen cam Ward, certainly, they've been flashes, especially over 250 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: the last several weeks, of what he can be. But 251 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: they're sitting there with two wins. Meanwhile, the Jets, Brown's, 252 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals all with three. That is six teams at least 253 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: ian This. 254 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: Is why the teams have great records. 255 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: By the way, like this that's extremely true, but it 256 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: also throws into question in a year where and again 257 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: it's very early in the process. I'm reading emails from 258 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: Alan Flowers about our Senior Bowl coverage. 259 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 4: Right now. 260 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: We had a long way to go in this process. 261 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: But this is not a year where it's viewed as 262 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of quarterbacks. The number one of 263 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: the number two pick. Either you stand there and take 264 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback, or potentially there's value for someone to go 265 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: up and get one of the very few. 266 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 4: Hearing in as. 267 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: Much as nobody's trying to lose these games. There's no 268 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: true tanking. There's the fate of a bunch of organizations 269 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: that is going to be really important over what happens 270 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: in these next twenty days here. 271 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 3: You know, you could sort of argue it two ways, right, 272 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: So we talked about the Saints earlier in the show. 273 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 3: What the Saints have done is play themselves out of 274 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 3: number one, but also give the organization hope that like, 275 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: all right, like we might have something, so okay, that's 276 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: pretty good. But what you don't want is to be 277 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: the number one pick, win a game by accident without 278 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: really showing anything. Get like the three pick and get 279 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: like a good edge rusher or something, but like not 280 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: get the big prize of number one. So you either 281 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: want to be truly terrible or good enough to where 282 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: you have the momentum to so could show everyone you're 283 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: not terrible. Right, Like, if you're the Giants and you 284 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: have an interim coach and it doesn't really matter, you're 285 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: not going to try to lose. But as the Texans 286 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: have shown us and as several other teams have shown us, 287 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: you can reshape your franchise. 288 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: By having that pick. 289 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: And if you want to trade out, you can trade 290 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 3: out or whatever you want to do. Like if you're 291 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: the Giants and you and Jackson Dart is your guy 292 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: for the future, and you get the number one pick, 293 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: that's how you rebuild. You get someone is going to 294 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 3: trade up for Mendoza. I don't know about anyone else. 295 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: I don't know enough right now to know whether somebody 296 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: else is trade up worthy. 297 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: Simpson'll be in the conversation through the process, the Oregon Kid, 298 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: assuming that everybody comes out. Lenora's Sellers, who was talked 299 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: about as a potential first round pick, just announced he's 300 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: going back to school in the nil world, where you 301 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: can make more money playing a year of college than 302 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: you can if you don't go in the first round. 303 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 4: I get it, a lot of guys are going to 304 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 4: go back. 305 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: But that's also part of the reason we've got the 306 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: quarterback shortage right now, Judy, is there's just not enough 307 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: of those top tier guys in any unders. 308 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: People need Fernando Mendoza. So it's going to be right. 309 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: I mean, the Jets could sure use for Nando Mendoza, 310 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: the Raiders could sure use for Nando Mendoza, and who 311 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: knows who else could use him. So yes that whoever 312 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: gets that number one pick. If you are not one 313 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: of those teams that need a quarterback, let's say the Giants, 314 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: that would mean that, first of all, that the Giants 315 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: would have to lose to the Raiders, which. 316 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 3: Game is Lumen large. It is a game you should tank, 317 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: but not actually tank. But god, how can you tank 318 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: that bad? 319 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: Right? 320 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 321 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: Like? 322 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: Can you bad enough to lose to the Raiders? Well, 323 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: you can do chain your players down. Well. 324 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: The other piece of it, though, too, is there have 325 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: been you sid an example of Ian with Houston where 326 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: they ended up with the two pick because they won 327 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: a game in the final week of the season and 328 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: Lovey Smith basically got fired on the tarmac. 329 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: They end up with CJ. 330 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: Stroud And time will tell Bryce versus CJ what direction 331 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: he goes. Certainly CJ started faster. Bryce is also played 332 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: competitive football. Think about the Patriots right now, Judy. They've 333 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: got Drake May playing at a MVP type level. He's 334 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: among the MVP furs. He was the third quarterback off 335 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: the board. But you don't have three quarterbacks right now, 336 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: just in my initial conversation people, you don't have three 337 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that people are talking about. Oh, those guys could 338 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: go one, two, three, much less six of them. They 339 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: could go in the top twelve picks like we had 340 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: in the draft two years ago. Bo Nicks has the 341 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Broncos as the one seed in the AFC right now. 342 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: Drake May is playing at a phenomenal level. Kayleb Williams 343 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: has the Bears in the two seed. Jane Daniels had 344 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: the Commanders in the NCA Championship game a year ago. 345 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: Michael Pendicks JJ McCarthy incomplete will give them those grades. 346 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: But you don't have this breadth of options, at least 347 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: at the start of the process, which as much as yes, 348 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: everybody's competing Judy every week, in the back of some 349 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: people's minds, namely the ones who are upstairs wearing suits, 350 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: not down on the sideline wearing team gear, you have 351 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: to be thinking this stuff is impacting us. 352 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: There's no question. We go through this all the time. 353 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: Don't right. Teams don't tank, players don't tank, Coaches don't tank. Organizations. 354 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: People in the offices certainly at least think about like, ooh, 355 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: it would be better if we don't win these games. 356 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: They don't tank, but might they play their young guys 357 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: to further develop the practice squad players of the future. 358 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Maybe let me ask you this hypothetical question, Judy. This 359 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: is again a lot of things have to happen. Let's 360 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: say the Giants end up with the number one pick. 361 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: They don't, as they did last year, pull off an 362 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: upset in week eighteen, beat the Colts, and then get 363 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: dropped down. They end up with Jackson Dart, who, certainly 364 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: we've seen positive things from. He's no longer jumping directly 365 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: to people with his head still getting prochecked for concussions, 366 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: but clearly you've got something to build on the juice. 367 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 4: And everything he brings. Let's see you end up at 368 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: the number one pick. 369 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: Do you put that up forbid, get a windfall potentially, 370 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: or do you consider and we're using fennrandom Mendos as 371 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: an example, it's not like it's sentenced to. But do 372 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: you potentially consider we take that guy and we trade 373 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart, we go a different direction. 374 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: I have seen that suggested already, like could people could 375 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: they take for Nando Mendoz? Do they like him? Would 376 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 2: they like him even better? Man? Well, first of all, 377 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 2: I think the first question is are we you know? 378 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: Are we very sure it's going to be Joe Shane 379 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: making that decision come April, right, that's the first question. 380 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: We've got to get all the way through this cycle. Look, 381 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what they will do that would that 382 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: will certainly be an interesting thing. For first of all, 383 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: I just first we have to take the first step, 384 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: and they would have to lose to the Raiders, and 385 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 2: that would be such a test here in New York. 386 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: I can't even like, I can't fathom. 387 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but the odds of the 388 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: Raiders winning a game seem pretty long at this point. 389 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: I know that they had the backup quarterback Ean yesterday, 390 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: but the odds of the Raiders finding a way to 391 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: beat anyone they've got. They're at Houston this week, and 392 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: you never say never, but never. Then you got the Giants, 393 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: and then you finish against the Chiefs. You granted have 394 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: nothing to play for and they don't have their quarterback, 395 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: but it's in Kansas City, Andy, you'll have them ready 396 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: to go. I find it really hard to find a 397 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: win unless you beat the Giants, and all things equal, 398 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: it would be the Raiders sitting there with the number 399 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: one pick. And then the question becomes, what does it 400 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: look like around that pick, and based on where they 401 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: are this year, do they feel like they even have 402 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: the infrastructure where you can go draft the quarterback number 403 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: one and not get them killed. 404 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think probably yes, just you have to. 405 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: But I mean if you just say to me, like, 406 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: what saves the Raiders, I think only. 407 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 4: This, that's it. I think only this. You got to 408 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: do it? 409 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: And you know, again, nobody thanks, But if there's ever 410 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: a reason, you know. 411 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: I Meanwhile, though, that is not Giants fans honking their horns. 412 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: I don't think behind the shitty. However, just the mere 413 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: suggestion of the Giants losing to the Raiders end up 414 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: with the number one pick, you would think would gain 415 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: quite a reaction out there in New York, East Rutherford 416 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: and beyond. Thank it everybody for watching and listening today again, 417 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: this is the Monday podcast edition of the show. 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Also, 432 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: we look forward to all those shows. 433 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: Senior Bowl. 434 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: We're gonna be live and mobile Alabama practice leading directly 435 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: into the Insiders, which is gonna be a lot of fun. 436 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: We'll have some cool guests I think down there as well. 437 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: And then Super Bowl all of us will be in 438 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: San Francisco, in San Jose, live Insiders shows the entire week. 439 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: All right, a lot of fun to come here, including 440 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: the playoffs. 441 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 4: For Ian Judy, I'm tom see you next time.