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Speaker 1: are here immobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl. It's the
Speaker 1: Draft Show. Brian brought us Dane Brugler, CBS Sports and
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Speaker 1: As always and as we do and like to say,
Speaker 1: we're here to investigate, Dane, then educate. Yes, absolutely, so
Speaker 1: let's do some dim investigating. Today. We had some practices
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. People feel savage in the group, were
Speaker 1: nice enough to move it back this morning when we
Speaker 1: all got up and we're doing activities, whether it was
Speaker 1: going out and getting some coffee or going for a job,
Speaker 1: whatever it was raining this morning, you did not go
Speaker 1: for You went for a job for a job because
Speaker 1: I'm tired of being a fat guy. I'm tired of
Speaker 1: all those means people hawking at you. No, No, he's
Speaker 1: tired of Proud Brian. I'm tired of Proud Brian because
Speaker 1: I look like it's embarrassing. Yeah, marshmallow man, it's embarrassing
Speaker 1: how fat I look. So I did not go for
Speaker 1: a rod, so kudos to you. Well, but it was cold.
Speaker 1: What I was yeah, what I was trying to get
Speaker 1: to though, is that the Senior Bowl folk moved the
Speaker 1: practices back, so we got a North practice at noon,
Speaker 1: so we had back to back practice which I thought
Speaker 1: were very cool. And uh and by the way too,
Speaker 1: someone want to promote a little bit if I can't,
Speaker 1: I know Ki Garrison does a great job. Uh. We
Speaker 1: are one of our staples that Dave Hellman's a part
Speaker 1: of and other writers is is Training Camp Live or
Speaker 1: Ota Live. We gave you a little Senior Bowl Live
Speaker 1: today and Dane Brugler and I were on the sidelines
Speaker 1: for one on ones with the wide receivers and the
Speaker 1: defensive backs. And I think you want to take a
Speaker 1: look at that. They'll be on Dallas Cowboys dot com
Speaker 1: up here after the show. Okay, so it's now posted
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com, so maybe check that out.
Speaker 1: Dane and I are doing a little commentary, and then
Speaker 1: we got a little one on one. You've probably been
Speaker 1: watching things on ESPN. If I'm not staking, it's been
Speaker 1: recovered it at all our friends there. But this gives
Speaker 1: you a little bit more of a perspective, Like I say,
Speaker 1: from Dane myself and Kent was let me tell you
Speaker 1: this was right in the middle of the action. Braxton
Speaker 1: Miller almost blew him up, but Kent hung his ground,
Speaker 1: stayed his ground, and so we got some really good
Speaker 1: commentary and then some shots if you want to take
Speaker 1: a look at that. Hopefully we'll do some war tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get to the offensive lineman tomorrow if we can.
Speaker 1: But I want to start with with all that being said,
Speaker 1: though I can easily say, hey, impressions of the North practice,
Speaker 1: impressions of the South practice today. But the fact that
Speaker 1: the guy has had the pads on. Anybody surprised you?
Speaker 1: Anybody come out, anybody that somebody that we weren't really
Speaker 1: very highly Did anybody disappoint and I and when we
Speaker 1: get into the disappointing side, yeah, yeah, when I when
Speaker 1: I get into the disappointment side of it today or
Speaker 1: we talk about some of these players though Um, I
Speaker 1: was disappointed in a couple of guys that I've thought
Speaker 1: were some pretty good players. But I want to get
Speaker 1: your guys, you know, I always like to get your
Speaker 1: guys opinions on maybe some guys you saw that you say, hey, Brian,
Speaker 1: this guy was pretty good today this guy was not
Speaker 1: so good. Just give me a little bit of idea
Speaker 1: what you got day. I was focusing on the defensive
Speaker 1: line for both the North and the South. Practices for
Speaker 1: the North. Johad Ward from Illinois really interesting player because
Speaker 1: he moves well and at his size a defensive end.
Speaker 1: Where are you gonna play him? Though? People are asking
Speaker 1: about that on Twitter and on tape. He played inside,
Speaker 1: I played outside. We saw him play both. But I
Speaker 1: did not like his tape at all. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was very disappointed to what he did at Illinois this
Speaker 1: past year. But here at the Senior Bowl, he's helping
Speaker 1: himself because he when you can move like he can,
Speaker 1: coaches see that and they want to get their hands
Speaker 1: on it and mold a player like that. So I
Speaker 1: think he helped himself. Vernon Butler, we talked about him
Speaker 1: quite a bit Louisiana Tech tackle h He's helped himself
Speaker 1: and then the South practice the defensive line. On the South,
Speaker 1: I mean they dominated. Sheldon Rankins from Louisville. I mean
Speaker 1: just been moved stuff today. You see some hand moves variety,
Speaker 1: You saw power, you saw quickness. Blockers just didn't have
Speaker 1: an answer for him. A DJ reader from Clemson another
Speaker 1: one who had a really nice practice. Think Cody white
Speaker 1: Hair at the Kansas State offensive lineman, who was probably
Speaker 1: the best offensive lineman here this week. He's the only
Speaker 1: guy that could, you know, at least slow them down.
Speaker 1: And then Noah Spence probably had the best best practice
Speaker 1: of either the North and the South to his get
Speaker 1: off quickness to bend the edge and finish at the quarterback.
Speaker 1: No one down here has that, but he does. Yeah anything, Dave,
Speaker 1: you were on the sidelines, I mean, you know, Dane
Speaker 1: and I, which was safety of the press box today?
Speaker 1: I was dodging. Uh yeah, I was dodging tackles and
Speaker 1: the bodies down there. Uh. Two guys. One guy. I
Speaker 1: consider him a surprise because I watched the tape with you,
Speaker 1: and I was so put off by him that I
Speaker 1: wound up watching somebody else instead. Actually, I could probably
Speaker 1: apply to two guys but in this case, Sheldon day Ah,
Speaker 1: I thought he showed some stuff down there. We watched
Speaker 1: him back at Valley Ranch and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna watch Jalen Smith because well,
Speaker 1: you were you worried about his height though I was.
Speaker 1: He reminded Ken Bishop. Yeah, for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 1: my hair included. But short guy made a more talented
Speaker 1: player than Ken Bishop. Short guy just kind of like
Speaker 1: a gets in the way kind of a guy like
Speaker 1: eats up space. But he looked good down there. And
Speaker 1: Rod Marine, he was really complimentary of what he was
Speaker 1: able to do for the North team today. So he
Speaker 1: and you know that's probably on me, like maybe I
Speaker 1: wrote him off off of a couple of games of tape,
Speaker 1: but I was surprised at what he was able to
Speaker 1: do down there. And then the other guy. Not to
Speaker 1: steal from your scouts, I wrap up that will be
Speaker 1: posting later. But uh, Maurice, how do you say this
Speaker 1: guy's name the Virginia Corner? Yes, absolutely, yeah, Kennedy. He
Speaker 1: I like him, and I'm not saying he's like the
Speaker 1: He had a little had a little video. Yeah he
Speaker 1: was kicking, but he was he hung in there with
Speaker 1: Braxton Miller like twice. And Braxton Miller has been smoking
Speaker 1: everybody here, so he hung in there with Miller. Um,
Speaker 1: he shut down a couple other guys, Um, the Michigan
Speaker 1: State kid Burbridge. Yeah. Um, and again I know you
Speaker 1: you always say he's too aggressive and he makes mistakes
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I'm again, I'm not saying he's like right,
Speaker 1: he's not Patrick Peterson out here, sure, but I mean
Speaker 1: he he reminds me of Richard Sherman and how big
Speaker 1: he is. I don't think he's as tall as rich
Speaker 1: but yeah, but Dan, he's just a big, physical, athletic dude.
Speaker 1: And I'll take that all day and work with him.
Speaker 1: I thought the North team as a whole, the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: all played very well and when we were down, and again,
Speaker 1: I encourage you to be fair and me and Dane
Speaker 1: talked about this. A lot of holding going on, with
Speaker 1: the exception of Braxton Miller. I don't think I care
Speaker 1: about any of these well, but but but guys have
Speaker 1: got to cover. Yeahs, I've got to go out there
Speaker 1: and play. You can only you can only play the
Speaker 1: guy that they put in front of you. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: Eric Murray the Minnesota corner, right, that's Murray, that's exactly
Speaker 1: took him up and hit you. He'll he looks to,
Speaker 1: you know, knock the receiver off the route, get them uncomfortable. Um.
Speaker 1: You know a couple of these corners even on the
Speaker 1: South squad as well, the Samford corner. Bradberry, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you know Sterling Shepherd, you know, took him to
Speaker 1: task a few times. But when Bradberry can press get
Speaker 1: get his hands on you, stay balanced, uh and really
Speaker 1: disrupt the route. That that's where he really excels. So
Speaker 1: I think Bridberry has been able to help himself some
Speaker 1: as well. You're you're right up as Kennedy as Range. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's he's just lot. But let's talk about what they
Speaker 1: did with him today, Dane. Something that the count and
Speaker 1: Dave knows this very well, being around the team every
Speaker 1: single day training position flex. What did you see today?
Speaker 1: And it may I'm gonna ask you in like Perry
Speaker 1: Mason here always knows the answers to the questions. He
Speaker 1: asked reference. Yeah, exactly, old he is a lawyer. Don't
Speaker 1: worry about it, just answer the question. No, but what
Speaker 1: did you see? Kenny? They put him at safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they tried him at safety in practice. So and it
Speaker 1: puts what happens he's at his best what exactly when
Speaker 1: exactly he can read, react, absolutely aggressive, and you know
Speaker 1: when the play when he loses a step, when that
Speaker 1: receiver gains a step vertically, I mean he's done. He
Speaker 1: does all that recovery. See, he doesn't have the hips
Speaker 1: to quickly turn and go, but when the plays in
Speaker 1: front of him, when he can react, read and go,
Speaker 1: that's when he's at his best. So it makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really do like the player. I liked him. I
Speaker 1: like him a lot. The problem I had with him though,
Speaker 1: is and you see it on tape. We talked about
Speaker 1: this yesterday with the Notre Dame game, the double moves
Speaker 1: or when they, like you said, when they get past him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's over because the separation he can't now in
Speaker 1: the UCLA game, if you have him to watch that game,
Speaker 1: first play of the game, they try and launch it
Speaker 1: on him on a nine and he's able to because
Speaker 1: the ball hang will hung so long that he was
Speaker 1: able to get a position knocked away. But there's times
Speaker 1: today where they separated on him and maybe the plan
Speaker 1: for him is Hey, let's give him some looks at
Speaker 1: safety where you could play him back in deep and
Speaker 1: let him just react that way, or come forward and
Speaker 1: drive on the football. So it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I think Tavon Young, the Temple corner he helped himself
Speaker 1: as well, had had a few nice reps against these receivers.
Speaker 1: But you know, like we're talking about before, besides Braxon Miller,
Speaker 1: these receivers on the North squad tough to get excited
Speaker 1: about him, especially now with Carew. He's gonna be out
Speaker 1: the rest of the week, so we're done seeing him.
Speaker 1: I'll be eager to see which receivers get the call up. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, with Sharp being out and now Carew, maybe
Speaker 1: a Temple wide receiver might be getting the call. Oh
Speaker 1: I hope so I'm hearing he might get the call
Speaker 1: up so and that that would be a great opportunity
Speaker 1: for him. Uh. Robbie Anderson if he used to come here. Hey,
Speaker 1: he's a guy. He's a guy you watch when you
Speaker 1: when you're watching, when you're watching, thought he was the
Speaker 1: best receiver I saw the shrine. When you're watching William
Speaker 1: Jackson tape at Houston. All a sudden, this number nineteen
Speaker 1: for Temple shows up and you're like, whoa, hey, and
Speaker 1: then I think you answered one of them. We were
Speaker 1: tweeting Jeff Kavanaugh. We're tweeting at you, Hey, what about
Speaker 1: this guy? You know? And so yeah, if he gets
Speaker 1: the call up, and and good for him to come
Speaker 1: in and get that opportunity. Yeah. And I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this though about Sharp, you know. And and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Taj Sharp from U Mass. Disappointing for me today
Speaker 1: with him, you know. And I was hopeful that when
Speaker 1: you watch his tape, you see some good things. You
Speaker 1: see a lot of good things. And now it's the
Speaker 1: second he had an All Star game last week, and
Speaker 1: now he's hurting this game, and I just every time
Speaker 1: I want to like the guy, you know, and I think, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I can elevate him a little bit. Maybe you
Speaker 1: have a good Senior Bowl, you know, work out with
Speaker 1: the pros, and you know, elevate his game a little more.
Speaker 1: And now he's heard it just raises more questions with
Speaker 1: me about him, you know, And I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: know what the tape says. I just wanted to see
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I'm disappointed for him as hopeful
Speaker 1: as get to to raise him, and he doesn't have
Speaker 1: that ideal bild. He's six two, but he's only one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty nine pounds. So yeah, lean very little,
Speaker 1: very lean, and let me get into Dane. Since you
Speaker 1: were focusing on the defensive line today. Another disappointment for
Speaker 1: Brian Broadus was Austin Johnson. That's that was the one
Speaker 1: I was alluding to earlier. Yeah, and I was, and
Speaker 1: I was hopeful of Austin Johnson. What I see in
Speaker 1: Austin Johnson throw on the Ohio State tape and the thrashing,
Speaker 1: the movement down the line to get up the field
Speaker 1: that you know, fight to get you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing that from him right now. If you did not
Speaker 1: see any Austin Johnson coming into this week, I don't
Speaker 1: think you'd be disappointed. I think he'd be like, hey,
Speaker 1: he's a nice player. But because he did play four
Speaker 1: guys right exactly, because we've seen him on tape, we've
Speaker 1: had a chance to look at him. He has impressed
Speaker 1: this year. There were some expectations coming into the week
Speaker 1: for him, and I think it is safe to say
Speaker 1: that he has not met those expectations yet. Now the
Speaker 1: week's not over. He's still a good player. You see
Speaker 1: the flashes, but you know, I do want to see
Speaker 1: more out of him. Yeah, but were you were when
Speaker 1: you were watching him? Were you kind of like I
Speaker 1: was cheerleading a little and Dave's seeing me cheerlead for
Speaker 1: players before. When I do this, No, I love when
Speaker 1: you do it. It's fun and funny, and I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I know Carson Wentz is the guy, but like I
Speaker 1: look around and Austin Johnson to me is the most
Speaker 1: realistic guy here that I would think Wind's up on
Speaker 1: this roster, you know. Yeah, and in terms of what
Speaker 1: how this might actually play out, it's totally plausible to
Speaker 1: think he would be there at thirty or and that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and listen this once again talking one technique's here? Okay,
Speaker 1: real quick, Cherian Reid do anything for you today? Is
Speaker 1: again you're focusing on defensive line. Yeah. I think he's
Speaker 1: so powerful with his hands, and that's what you want
Speaker 1: from a one or a zero technique, right, Not the
Speaker 1: most rangey player, but uh, you know he's able to
Speaker 1: get off the ball quickly, engage and then you know
Speaker 1: he he he sees through blockers, Uh. And that's one
Speaker 1: thing you saw on tape, that's one thing you've seen
Speaker 1: this week. Um. You know, he keeps his eyes trained
Speaker 1: on the ball. He knows what he's doing with his
Speaker 1: hands to you know, latch and just detach himself from
Speaker 1: that block. So I do think Jeron Reid's helped himself.
Speaker 1: I mean the South squad these a lot of these
Speaker 1: defensive tackles are right, they're looking like future first round
Speaker 1: Revery Sheldon rankins as a future first round and Geron
Speaker 1: Read to me is a future first rounder. So I
Speaker 1: mean it's really impressive defensive line talent. Let me throw
Speaker 1: this at you, Dane. I had a conversation with a
Speaker 1: scout today. We get for being on the sideline check
Speaker 1: me out right, Yeah, throw that name down on their
Speaker 1: name dropper. Mind. I'm not name dropping God. I keep
Speaker 1: my you know, unlike me who just tells you who
Speaker 1: it is. Uh. We're talking about defensive ends on the
Speaker 1: South team and we're talking about Oakman and Fence and
Speaker 1: all the suspects. And he says, why don't you watch
Speaker 1: old ninety one there Charles Tapper for Oklahoma. M Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tapper's interesting, he's and he stop to figure out because
Speaker 1: of the way Oklahoma used him. I mean he was
Speaker 1: in a frog stance, you know, just to a lot
Speaker 1: of two gap, a lot of you know, hold the edge,
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, not not really letting him
Speaker 1: be an athlete and go up field. See what he
Speaker 1: can do. Uh. You know, we saw it a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago against Alabama in the bowl game. He
Speaker 1: just he gave aj McCarron in that Alabama backfield trouble
Speaker 1: the entire game. But you know this past season, you
Speaker 1: watched one tape. You just it's tough to get a
Speaker 1: good feel for him, and you know what he could
Speaker 1: be at the next level if you've seen Tapper. I
Speaker 1: haven't watched him yet though, but I know that when
Speaker 1: you talk about Oklahoma's scheme and row of fence any o,
Speaker 1: you Sooner fans out there, but your scheme killed Striker too.
Speaker 1: My little linebacker. Hey, I can't tell you how many
Speaker 1: times he has to play against offensive tackles. You know,
Speaker 1: we just let him just run, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the one thing he can do. Let him run
Speaker 1: to the football. So when you start talking about the
Speaker 1: scheme in Oklahoma, I totally understand what's going on um
Speaker 1: any of the offensive lineman in you anybody catch your eye.
Speaker 1: We were kind of I was, I was looking a
Speaker 1: little bit though at the we were Tom up Martin,
Speaker 1: but with Nick Martin a little bit though anything more
Speaker 1: with him, you know, I felt like there was a
Speaker 1: couple of reps yesterday where he really wasn't very good.
Speaker 1: I thought, for overall, both lines held up reasonably well.
Speaker 1: That my my my Indiana, my Indians, my Indiana offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: You know, he seems like that he's hold I'm using
Speaker 1: the word holding up. But because there's every next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Spence rushes against him, one of
Speaker 1: these ends rushes, but he seems like the one that's
Speaker 1: I mean where Murphy from Stanford is getting beat almost
Speaker 1: every snatch does not look good. He does not looked good.
Speaker 1: And then you talk about you know, and then and
Speaker 1: then uh, you know Duranngo, you know, I mean his
Speaker 1: hit or miss with him, He was very hit and
Speaker 1: missed with him. But I you know, again, they moved
Speaker 1: like he was playing some left side and then they
Speaker 1: moved in the right. He looked worse on the right
Speaker 1: side than he did on the left side. And I'm
Speaker 1: trying to project him. Okay, is he a guard? Is he?
Speaker 1: You know, he's tough, especially coming from that Baylor offense
Speaker 1: where he was a four year starter at left half,
Speaker 1: so that's where he is comfortable. So I guess it's
Speaker 1: not too surprising that he would be more comfortable on
Speaker 1: the left side than the right side. But overall this
Speaker 1: offensive line, it's hard to get excited about any of
Speaker 1: these guys. I do like Spriggs Um. I worry about
Speaker 1: his core strength a little bit, but he's an athlete.
Speaker 1: Glasgow the center do anything for you from Michigan. I
Speaker 1: liked him. I loved him last week when I saw
Speaker 1: him with a Shrine game. Right this week, a little
Speaker 1: uptick in competition and he struggled something. Yeah, they tried
Speaker 1: to pla him at some guard today. That's probably where
Speaker 1: most teams are gonna have him because he's six six
Speaker 1: Ronnie's six six centers are that's true, that's I think
Speaker 1: most teams are looking at him as a guard um
Speaker 1: And so you know, he struggled some a little bit.
Speaker 1: He does play low because he has a flexible lower body,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think he's still adjusting to the
Speaker 1: speed of what he's seeing. This week. You know what
Speaker 1: the guys. I was looking down at my roster here
Speaker 1: and a guy did I forgot to mention the defensive end.
Speaker 1: I need to ask you about him, though, is Daddy
Speaker 1: Nicholas from Virginia Tech. And I wrote about him today
Speaker 1: in a way that I thought there were a couple
Speaker 1: of reps where he was actually did something for me,
Speaker 1: not so much for you. Today. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with him because he's two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five pounds. Oh okay, could claim it outside linebacker. That's
Speaker 1: where I think he has to play. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: He can't play defensive end for me unless he's strictly
Speaker 1: a sub package, you know, third down rush or something
Speaker 1: like that. But he has good arm length over thirty
Speaker 1: five inches. He's an athlete. But he had two and
Speaker 1: a half sacks this year and when you watch, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him on tape, but but today he
Speaker 1: flashed at me a couple of different times that get off, yeah,
Speaker 1: get off back. He can beat you because he's an athlete.
Speaker 1: And if he beat you with that get off, then
Speaker 1: he has a chance to make a play in the pocket.
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't win off the snap, forget it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have power to control the point of attack.
Speaker 1: Blockers can overwhelm him. Um, you know, he struggles to
Speaker 1: do much after that. So I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do with him, because you know, again he's he's a
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty five pounds. I don't and I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna get much bigger than that. He's
Speaker 1: just a leaner type guy. But he does have good length.
Speaker 1: I don't think he knows how to use it, but
Speaker 1: there are some tools to work with. Yeah, you're right
Speaker 1: about to get off because he was able to capture
Speaker 1: the edge a couple of times and get some pressure. Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a bad Did you see your
Speaker 1: boy Dion Jones today? I did. I actually I tried
Speaker 1: to stop at LSU inside lineback. I tried to talk
Speaker 1: to U to Debo this afternoon, but he Debo ls
Speaker 1: you guys, we can Lingo. He's he's a I mean,
Speaker 1: Debo is a LSU guy, but he is a Jesuit
Speaker 1: high school guys. Oh, he's a blue Jay. He's near
Speaker 1: and dear to my heart. Um, yeah, I actually I
Speaker 1: talked to another scout about him. Try and you put
Speaker 1: him on the field. Man, I'm trying. He's getting a
Speaker 1: little heavy for us having to carry him. I sit here,
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I like him a lot of here fast,
Speaker 1: he's good in coverage. He hits like a maniac. He
Speaker 1: got kicked out of a game last uh in October
Speaker 1: for just decking a quarterback who didn't have her at all.
Speaker 1: Yea um. But in the immediately the scout's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he ways two hundred and nineteen pounds. Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with him? See? But well we'll figure
Speaker 1: it out. I don't know. But today he had two
Speaker 1: nice plays. He carried carried carbage, carried a receiver up
Speaker 1: the field, jipped the ball away and he got we
Speaker 1: got an interception off that. And then he caused a phone.
Speaker 1: If you watch, he was chasing the play and and
Speaker 1: Brandon Allen was running, he tomahawk the ball out of
Speaker 1: his hand. Here's an we talked about run. We talked
Speaker 1: about Debo a little bit back at Valley Ranch. I remember, like,
Speaker 1: I just see him not as the same type of player,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but I just see him having
Speaker 1: a role like Kyle Wilbur, Like he's good enough to
Speaker 1: play some snaps at linebacker, but really, what I think
Speaker 1: he'll excel at in the NFL is just as a
Speaker 1: special team's beast. He's fast, he hits, he's he has
Speaker 1: a knack for getting at the ball. You guys, tell
Speaker 1: me if you agree with that or if you think
Speaker 1: I'm totally wrong. No, I have a hard time believing
Speaker 1: he's like an every down player. I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you think. I think you need to figure out
Speaker 1: how to use him in coverage because that's I think
Speaker 1: that's where he can hold up. And if you can
Speaker 1: cover at linebacker, then you have a job in this league.
Speaker 1: And so very put you on the field and let
Speaker 1: you go. But you do have to protect him. You
Speaker 1: have to be able to keep him clean in the
Speaker 1: run game. You know, he does struggle to you know,
Speaker 1: disengage blocks, and so you do see that some. But
Speaker 1: when he can stay clean and play in space, now
Speaker 1: he's not a safety, you know. I don't think you
Speaker 1: can move him the safe, right, It's not that simple.
Speaker 1: But what he can do as the are all for
Speaker 1: all fans, Yeah, exactly the same thing a corner move
Speaker 1: the safety. But you know, for these guys, you know,
Speaker 1: I want him on my team. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he can be a three down starter. I'm not convinced
Speaker 1: he's that, but uh, you know, at some point I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get him on the field and he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a coverage beast. Yeah. I like what Dave's saying about
Speaker 1: Kyle Wilbur. I think that's a pretty fair comparison and
Speaker 1: that people are talking about him in like the third round,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a little bridge. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: In my im. He can run people. Get him on
Speaker 1: my team as a fifth round pick, where he can
Speaker 1: be like the fifth or sixth linebacker and play every
Speaker 1: special team unit. Yeah, sign me up, I say a
Speaker 1: borderline top one hundred. Okay, that's see. And I trust
Speaker 1: Dan's opinion over my own, but that sounds that sounds
Speaker 1: expensive to me. But hey, okay, well he's an athlete.
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. Can't tell me I need to
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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys back here on the Draft
Speaker 1: Show from Mobile, Alabama side of the Senior Bowl. But
Speaker 1: got Dame Bugler from CBS Sports and also Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com, and I mentioned that when we opened the show,
Speaker 1: Executive producer Kent Garrison told me that the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: Live video is up wide receivers North working against the
Speaker 1: defensive backs. Kent was right in the middle of the action.
Speaker 1: We get we get a little quarterback stuff in there too.
Speaker 1: We get a little quarterback we do a little carts,
Speaker 1: little Carson Wentz in there, and you can see them
Speaker 1: all throw so, uh, encourage it good. We went to
Speaker 1: the first segment without even talking too much about Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: So that's a win. That's that's good. There's other guys
Speaker 1: down here, no thereon Wentz. It's a shame they're not
Speaker 1: playing as well as Carson Wentz did. A win or
Speaker 1: a wins. I mean, see, it always kill me. It's
Speaker 1: always yeah, right now. All right, what we're gonna do is, uh,
Speaker 1: we don't have our Twitter on the twenty, but ken
Speaker 1: we'll give it. Aw there we go. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: line up these questions hopefully. Uh, everybody kind of knows
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Speaker 1: war down, just follow me. But anyway, so Dave, I'll
Speaker 1: give you the show and let's answer some questions. All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start off with Slide, who wants to know
Speaker 1: what you think of Miles Killerbrew the guy he's got
Speaker 1: to be the most obscure school player here. And this
Speaker 1: entire thing Southern Utah. Right, Yeah, although they do have
Speaker 1: quite a few prospects in this draft. Actually they might
Speaker 1: have three or four guys drafted. But good for them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we watched him on tape together. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and we talked about this a little bit yesterday. Dane
Speaker 1: tricked me into doing it and I should have listened
Speaker 1: to him when he gave it to me to do.
Speaker 1: He was didn't listen. Well, no, but we watched the
Speaker 1: you know, the tape doesn't lie, right, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not We were unimpressed, were underwhelmed. We right, we saw
Speaker 1: an athlete, a guy that can move a good size player,
Speaker 1: but you know, routinely took poor angles. There's some other
Speaker 1: question marks. But what have you seen from him this week?
Speaker 1: Where you have you you've been impressed? A little bit
Speaker 1: happy I have and what it makes me? And then
Speaker 1: I go back and I look at the talk about
Speaker 1: the Sam Houston game and the Utah State game and
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff that we watched, and you know,
Speaker 1: I look at my notes and it's like quick feet
Speaker 1: breaks on the ball, you know, But I you know,
Speaker 1: I thought he needed to wrap up better. I thought
Speaker 1: he ran easy uh, you know, but you know, slight
Speaker 1: delay in the way. Briggs didn't think he was very instinctive,
Speaker 1: and I don't see I didn't think he always saw
Speaker 1: the play developed. But and there's some explosiveness in the hole.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't look like that guy out here. You know,
Speaker 1: you see him run to the flat, you see him
Speaker 1: being decisive. You see him now again he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to tackle in this game, because I have some questions
Speaker 1: about guys running, you know, running through arm tackles and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But to me, he looks like a
Speaker 1: different player. But let's let's be honest here four four
Speaker 1: nine speed is what they had. And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: If he's gonna be drafted, probably in the second round,
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be based off of the
Speaker 1: measurables because when you watch him on tape, you know,
Speaker 1: it's easy here to understand where the play is going.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to think too much here. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's sea ball, get ball. So my instinctive comment is
Speaker 1: actually pretty is I know, I think you're you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about reading an offense here,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about anticipating. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all you know, Seaball get ball. It's it's these
Speaker 1: drills are pretty vanilla, whereas in on the tape that
Speaker 1: we watched, I mean he was, you know, waiting for
Speaker 1: the play to develop. Okay, then I'll go. It was
Speaker 1: just he was too afraid of making a mistake, a
Speaker 1: false step that uh you know is very hesitant and
Speaker 1: here we're not seeing that. But it's easy to mask
Speaker 1: that here for a safety. Yeah, did you see Jeremy
Speaker 1: Cash today? By the way, there's a reason why he didn't.
Speaker 1: But no, there's a reason why. We were up stairs
Speaker 1: and the ball went vertical and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he was single high sterling. Shepherd did a little yeah,
Speaker 1: I see. And the next thing, you know that it
Speaker 1: was when if he's even with Cash, it's fat, it's
Speaker 1: past Cash, he's open. So yeah, you're if you're a
Speaker 1: Jeremy Cash fan, play him down, don't let him play deep,
Speaker 1: because exactly he couldn't react ball, Like I say, Shepherd
Speaker 1: blew by him and ball was down the field and
Speaker 1: it was over. By the way, Shepherd had a nice
Speaker 1: night today, not a bad day. Yeah. What Braxton Miller
Speaker 1: is doing for the North squad. I think Shepherd's quietly
Speaker 1: doing that for the South team. I don't. I mean
Speaker 1: Braxton Miller. I think there's more hype because all he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's not a wide receiver. You know, we
Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect. Shepherd's just been doing It's,
Speaker 1: you know, business as usual for him. We've seen him
Speaker 1: do it for Oklahoma for how many years now? But
Speaker 1: I think Shepherd's quietly having a very very nice week.
Speaker 1: Good point, Dave. I want you guys to guess what
Speaker 1: college program Wait, wait, wait, we get we have to
Speaker 1: guess it's gonna be. We investigate. It's an easy guess,
Speaker 1: It's really easy. I want you to guess what program
Speaker 1: Peyton is a fan of, because he wants to know
Speaker 1: what Eric Murray and kJ may look like. It might
Speaker 1: be a Gopher, Yeah, I think so. I tell you,
Speaker 1: Eric Murray, him and Braxton Miller had a few good
Speaker 1: battles today, and I got to watch Murray in the
Speaker 1: North practice and again, honestly, the cornerbacks looked great today.
Speaker 1: I mean they did that compete period. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: maybe there was a little it's all good him. He
Speaker 1: asked Eric Murray how many flags did you get this year,
Speaker 1: because that's all he was doing. And that one, that
Speaker 1: one on his jersey was sideways. That might be true,
Speaker 1: but like he's he's like, he's got some Deva tendencies.
Speaker 1: He yeah, he's got some Deva tendencies over there. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, um he's yeah. But no, all the quints
Speaker 1: they did a compete period about halfway through the North
Speaker 1: practice three and oh all cornerbacks over receivers all three times. Yeah. Um, anyway,
Speaker 1: but go ahead, wrote about that. I think you're putting
Speaker 1: it up for me here. Yeah, I thought this. I
Speaker 1: thought the North defensive backs we won the battle today,
Speaker 1: and hey, there's no referees and if you have to
Speaker 1: grab and hold and clutch and punch and whatever, you do,
Speaker 1: do it. But Murray caught my eye today. Murray caught
Speaker 1: my because every single time that Braxton Miller stepped up
Speaker 1: to take a rep, he went with him, and he
Speaker 1: realized he's saying, Okay, they're all here to see this
Speaker 1: good looking number one run down the field. You know,
Speaker 1: let me see if I can cover this this guy
Speaker 1: that everybody's talking about, Dame Brugler in the top sixty.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us in the top sixty. You know, let's see.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Murray is what we saw on tape.
Speaker 1: He's a physical press guy who looks to get his
Speaker 1: hand on you, reroute you keep you uncomfortable. And you
Speaker 1: know we've said that about a few corners this week.
Speaker 1: But Eric Murray that's his bread and butter um. And
Speaker 1: then kJ May the wide receiver. You know, I think
Speaker 1: there was some talk about, well, he's a mobile native,
Speaker 1: that's why he got the invite. Does he really belong here?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. So far, he looks like he belongs.
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's small, obviously, but uh, I think
Speaker 1: he has good build on him. And so far he's
Speaker 1: catching everything that comes his way. And he's, you know,
Speaker 1: a good catching go type of guy who not the fastest,
Speaker 1: not going to run a blazing time, but he's quick.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so he's able to catch the ball, get
Speaker 1: up the field and make something happen. Well, let me
Speaker 1: tell you another thing that he can do. He can block.
Speaker 1: And I and I thought in this and and I
Speaker 1: thought this where Cyrus Jones to me, Alabama is a
Speaker 1: tough I mean he's a five nine guy, but he's
Speaker 1: tough scrap he will come up and he will he
Speaker 1: will fight you. And there was a couple of times
Speaker 1: where they did an individual blocking trew where it's a
Speaker 1: stalk and then attack, and two times May and Jones
Speaker 1: went head to head with each other and May got
Speaker 1: the best of him. So if you can, if you're
Speaker 1: a guy that they seem like, hey, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: in Dallas cowboy Land says, can they find a better
Speaker 1: Dwayne Harris? Can they find a guy that not afraid
Speaker 1: at the point of attack? It can make some plays,
Speaker 1: some make some catches, can block. Maybe he's got some
Speaker 1: special teams in his blood. Keep an eye on that kid,
Speaker 1: because he showed some toughness today. Scrappy yep, um physical.
Speaker 1: I am Thomas is intrigued, and I am also intrigued
Speaker 1: because other than Carson Wentz, like anybody who watches college football,
Speaker 1: it's the over and underdone this U you maybe you
Speaker 1: hear this guy's name and you think like, huh, yeah
Speaker 1: that guy. Can you guys what I'm talking about right now? Yep?
Speaker 1: That's I think he's the second best quarterback on the
Speaker 1: North Frost, no doubt about it. He's the second best quarterback.
Speaker 1: Maybe Yeah, I mean I that's disappointing for me, just
Speaker 1: rist just for me to want to be man. I do.
Speaker 1: But Driscoll has been impressive in the opportunity. But she
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk with him today. What was
Speaker 1: he What was the vibe? And I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brisset prices I always jack those names up. Played
Speaker 1: better than I learned. I I like his demeanor. He's
Speaker 1: he's calm, cool, collected, he said. I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: He said, Uh, leadership and poise are his best, two
Speaker 1: things that he brings. And I'm thinking back to his tape.
Speaker 1: I mean, he certainly seems cool under pressure. I haven't
Speaker 1: he was bad today. Well, anybody on the South team
Speaker 1: I haven't had as good of a chance to watch
Speaker 1: because in the North team is just dominating your workload exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: So it's disappointing to hear that. I did. I did
Speaker 1: like his demeanor, just in terms of talking to the
Speaker 1: guy and seeing what he's all about. UM through the
Speaker 1: ball awfully today, Yeah, that's didn't hit. You know, there
Speaker 1: was times where guys receivers open. He was in between
Speaker 1: some throws he sidelined to the out. It was too
Speaker 1: high and I'm thinking nerves or I'm just thinking not
Speaker 1: very good today. And you know, Kevin Hogan was like
Speaker 1: that for the North team today. Just I mean, I
Speaker 1: he there were balls going wide and short and high.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to these quarterbacks, I just my
Speaker 1: mom always said, if you have nothing nice to say,
Speaker 1: don't say it at all. So that's well, welcome to
Speaker 1: the draft show. I'm going to get paid to say. Sorry. No,
Speaker 1: it's I agree about Driscoll. I mean it Wentz obviously
Speaker 1: the top guy. If I don't get my quarterback in
Speaker 1: the first two rounds, top forty picks, Driscoll is a
Speaker 1: guy I'm looking at in the mid rounds. Are people
Speaker 1: going back on Cook and saying, you know what, maybe Cook.
Speaker 1: Cook has a whole lot of other issues going on.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, you know, never threw for fifty nine
Speaker 1: percent completions in his career, It wasn't voted a team captain.
Speaker 1: There's some character stuff going on. So I think Cook,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't go about him, oh yeah, his teammates,
Speaker 1: I'll say some bad stuff. Get him out of here,
Speaker 1: get him off my board. I don't like him. I
Speaker 1: don't Cook. Yeah, alright, no, I pull this up when
Speaker 1: we draft, you will not be knowing person saying that,
Speaker 1: Um let's tell tell me about Driscoll though, because he
Speaker 1: has looked intrigue and like I said, I think there's
Speaker 1: a stigma attached to the fact that the Florida didn't
Speaker 1: go so well. And I'm guilty of this too. After
Speaker 1: he looked awful of Florida. I mean that that entire
Speaker 1: offense did him no favors though, you know, when he
Speaker 1: was there under must Champ and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people just wrote him off as a prospect. Transferred
Speaker 1: to Louisiana Tech this year as a fifth year senior,
Speaker 1: reinvented himself so as as a pro prospect, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can say, well, you know, the competition wasn't as good.
Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech played Mississippi State this year and Driscoll had
Speaker 1: a terrific game that game. So to me, Driscoll is
Speaker 1: a guy that I'm not convinced he's a starter down
Speaker 1: the road. But if I don't get my guy early
Speaker 1: and I still want to draft a quarterback, Driscoll's the
Speaker 1: guy that I'm targeting in the middle rounds. That's interesting
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, yeah, we focus so much on four.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe WinCE was a guy that you
Speaker 1: used to look at at thirty four. That doesn't seem
Speaker 1: likely now. And so now I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: a mental image of what's your next opportunity to look
Speaker 1: at a quarterback. If you don't go it for see,
Speaker 1: that's the thing I would. Yeah, And you can't just
Speaker 1: let it this week. I mean, there's some things you
Speaker 1: can learn from this week. Don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 1: think some guys, you know, you're just evaluating. It's just
Speaker 1: another opportunity. And I admire the guys for coming out here,
Speaker 1: the Hogans and the Kessel because I'm not a huge
Speaker 1: Kessler fan. Hey and and I but you know, am
Speaker 1: Iron for throwing the football. They're here, the other quarterbacks are,
Speaker 1: But I will I will say this though about Driscoll though,
Speaker 1: and maybe it has to do with just the uncertainty
Speaker 1: of you know, being nervous. But he holds the ball
Speaker 1: and may on tape. I haven't studied them on tape,
Speaker 1: but he holds that thing. And you're like bro in
Speaker 1: the NFL. In the NFL, these corners they give you
Speaker 1: no window, and you better just let it fly. You
Speaker 1: better just let it, cut it loose and go play,
Speaker 1: because if you don't, you're not gonna be playing. Really,
Speaker 1: that's why he is a mid rounder at best and
Speaker 1: not you know, because all the tools are there. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a well built kid. He can move, he's an athlete,
Speaker 1: has a big arm and scout you know, I tweeted
Speaker 1: about this back in October, a scout told me he
Speaker 1: is the best leader at quarterback he has talked to
Speaker 1: in ten years. Yeah, so, I mean it's all their
Speaker 1: for him. But the anticipation, the vision as a passer,
Speaker 1: it's just not has not caught up yet and so
Speaker 1: there's a good chance they never will. And that's why
Speaker 1: he's a mid round guy, not a you know, top
Speaker 1: fifty player. And you asked me about Brissette. For the record,
Speaker 1: I talked to Driscoll on Tuesday morning at the Way,
Speaker 1: and that's a seasoned dude in terms of dealing with
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. And I mean you would expect
Speaker 1: that from a guy who spent three four years at
Speaker 1: a program like UF. But he's very comfortable with the media,
Speaker 1: very comfortable at talking and and being eloquent without shooting
Speaker 1: from the hip, you know, sounding like he's patting himself
Speaker 1: on the bat kind of guy. He's savvy, he's savvy
Speaker 1: media presence. Well, and I'm about to ask Dane to
Speaker 1: do something really difficult that he's it's it's unfair, but
Speaker 1: I just know he's all right. Let's just assume. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you're big. You're big, guys, your your golf,
Speaker 1: your lynch, your wins, you know your first round guys
Speaker 1: all go in the first round. What I mean, where
Speaker 1: where's the next spot where you feel comfortable about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys picking a quarterback? I mean it doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be maybe Connor Cook maybe, but who do you feel
Speaker 1: good about it? Like thirty four or sixty whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't see them. I don't feel good about any of
Speaker 1: those guys at thirty four. But in the early third round,
Speaker 1: that's when if Cook's still around, he needs to be
Speaker 1: in the conversation. If he's I think Cook can start
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I just think he's a very low
Speaker 1: ceiling right. Um, I don't think he's a guy that
Speaker 1: is a long term answer. Um, there's just there's something
Speaker 1: missing from from Connor Cook and then the name. We're
Speaker 1: gonna hear a lot about and he's not here. But
Speaker 1: Christian Hackenberg depends on that. I forgot all about him
Speaker 1: because like you're in like Senior Bowl road and you're
Speaker 1: thinking about senior quarterbacks. Yeah that if he's still there
Speaker 1: in the early third round, then you know it's worth
Speaker 1: the conversation because it's is he already you know, we
Speaker 1: saw what he did as a freshman and the last
Speaker 1: two years have been in disasters. He already damaged goods.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot to work with there, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of red flags too, so the tape
Speaker 1: is not kind, but again there's a lot to work.
Speaker 1: Let me bring up a couple of names of guys
Speaker 1: that you've seen. How about Press Scott? I like Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: I do I mean, I again, I don't see an
Speaker 1: NFL starter. But he's what I think people wanted Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow to be. I mean he's a better version exactly,
Speaker 1: but athlete, right, an athlete who you can run. He's
Speaker 1: a great leader. Uh, you know, holds a ton of
Speaker 1: SEC records. I mean, I don't really think he is
Speaker 1: what people wanted Tim Tebow to be. Uh. Now he
Speaker 1: needs he needs work. Even though he was you know,
Speaker 1: a three and a half year starter at Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: He still needs work. Uh, and he's not an NFL
Speaker 1: starter from day one, But you know, I don't see
Speaker 1: an NFL starter down the road. But I do think
Speaker 1: he can be a backup in this league. With the
Speaker 1: name out for both of you guys have seen this guy,
Speaker 1: Cordel Jones, Ohio State May I made my opinions on
Speaker 1: him pretty well, felt I think last week I'm I
Speaker 1: just no way for you, no get out of here.
Speaker 1: I love him, He's I don't love him if he
Speaker 1: actually has to do anything right away, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: if if Romo breaks his clavical in week three of
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and Cardell Jones is the guy that they
Speaker 1: turned to, it's probably not going to be pretty. But
Speaker 1: he's a freak. He's he's a freak show. He's so athletic,
Speaker 1: he can shrug off a defensive end like he's a toddler.
Speaker 1: He's got he's got to have the strongest arm of
Speaker 1: any quarterback that's in this draft. Could teams fall in
Speaker 1: love with him over what we've seen from there's no question.
Speaker 1: I mean they brought all they brought. How many guys
Speaker 1: are here? Nine I think he's got enough. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's got enough holes in his game that it's
Speaker 1: going to keep anybody and and probably his personality and
Speaker 1: all that type of stuff too that people are gonna
Speaker 1: be dissecting. That's gonna keep anybody from falling too much
Speaker 1: in love with him. But this is the whole. You're
Speaker 1: drafting a guy who you can who is ready to
Speaker 1: go and who can take over right away and as
Speaker 1: your starter in two or three years. Or are you
Speaker 1: drafting a guy who's maybe a little bit of a
Speaker 1: project and you can live with that because you have
Speaker 1: Tony Romo. I think, I mean that's gonna be That's
Speaker 1: the balance that's gonna exist for the next few months.
Speaker 1: To me, I think Cardel Jones, and this was true
Speaker 1: if he came out last year or this year, his
Speaker 1: draft stock is all will be built at the combine.
Speaker 1: That's I mean smart. Yeah, put him on the white board, right?
Speaker 1: Does he know? Does he not know? What can he learn?
Speaker 1: Was he capable of learning? I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: that we have to figure out about Cardel Jones. We
Speaker 1: see the physical talent, but and people are gonna say
Speaker 1: he lost money by returning. No, he looks like the
Speaker 1: exact same quarterback this year that we saw last year.
Speaker 1: The only difference was he entered this year with expectations,
Speaker 1: and so because he didn't live up to those expectations,
Speaker 1: necessarily people think that he hurt himself. He was eleven
Speaker 1: or no as a starter, you know, his eleven career
Speaker 1: starts in college he went undefeated. Story, I mean, how
Speaker 1: many double how many players quarterbacks at the college level
Speaker 1: started double digit games and went undefeated, right, there can't
Speaker 1: be too many, And so I I do think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Cardil Jones be drafted somewhere
Speaker 1: third fourth round. A team will take a chance on him,
Speaker 1: you know, draft and developed that type of player. You talk,
Speaker 1: where do they pick in the third round, like sixty
Speaker 1: seven something like that, get me two impact play like
Speaker 1: impact dudes who are gonna help the team right away
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds and that project. You sign
Speaker 1: a veteran guy in free agency who can be the
Speaker 1: backup and let Cardell be three. Let's let's go like
Speaker 1: I'm so. And and also I say that I said
Speaker 1: this last year and the year before that about Johnny Manziel,
Speaker 1: Like as a writer, he intrigues me because he would
Speaker 1: make my job so easy. Came out, well, Tregan came
Speaker 1: out today. Yeah, Hey, Johnny Manziel or Cardal Jones. I
Speaker 1: mean I'd rather what train wreck do you want? Don't
Speaker 1: you think that Cardel Jones has a higher ceiling than
Speaker 1: I would? I would sure? Yeah, I think that that's
Speaker 1: fair to say. There's no doubt that part of my
Speaker 1: intrigue is because I know how he would be for
Speaker 1: the business of writing sports stories, no doubt. But I
Speaker 1: think he's a really talented player too. He is a
Speaker 1: talented football player anyway, but maybe his stock is going
Speaker 1: up because of what he became starting to see. Speaking
Speaker 1: of Johnny Manziel, I mean, Cardell's going to have a
Speaker 1: big televised Pro day workout with George Whitfield hitting him
Speaker 1: with that broom sometimes in the next couple of months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's been working with him as soon as Ohio State.
Speaker 1: If he does well at that quarter Dame, Well, that's
Speaker 1: that's where I was saying. His entire draft stock will
Speaker 1: be built on what he does doing the process. But
Speaker 1: did you watch Cardell and tape? I did, and we
Speaker 1: watched him together, watched him. I was gushing and losing
Speaker 1: my mind and acting like a girl with a crush.
Speaker 1: And Brian was like, you need to relax. Where realistically
Speaker 1: would you feel comfortable drafting Cardell Jones? I think you
Speaker 1: said fifth? No I didn't. What'd you say? I think
Speaker 1: I was? I had him in the fourth That's where
Speaker 1: I had him in the fourth and I and the
Speaker 1: reason why I the thing that I was really worried
Speaker 1: about with him is I never ever saw his throwing
Speaker 1: motion was the same. And and maybe there's a lot
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks and people out there saying, oh I brought
Speaker 1: a shut up. You know, there's a lot of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that drop down, do this, do that. But I know
Speaker 1: I worry about him if things got a little tough
Speaker 1: and him having to make Okay, I've got to rely
Speaker 1: on this. I gotta make this throw. Is it gonna
Speaker 1: be the same or something gonna click where he doesn't quite? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And that that's it. I think that's what you make
Speaker 1: the point about the off season and him working with Whitfield,
Speaker 1: you know, cleaning him up, tightening him up, the footwork
Speaker 1: on there's no question about the arm strength, the lower
Speaker 1: body power, the ability to drive the football. He just
Speaker 1: flicks it and the ball goes, he throws it with
Speaker 1: some pace. He's got a little tough, but he never
Speaker 1: is are it never never kind of get an idea
Speaker 1: where he's gonna where that launch point is gonna be
Speaker 1: for his ball, and maybe he's a little bit you know,
Speaker 1: there's quarterbacks in this league. The guy that's gonna play
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl for Carolina is a launch is
Speaker 1: a different launch point player. He's gonna win a NFL
Speaker 1: MVP in about nine days and he only completed fifty
Speaker 1: eight or fifty nine percent of his passes. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's, uh, there are better quarterbacks obviously in
Speaker 1: this draft class, but he's the most intriguing one. Have
Speaker 1: any more of these questions? Yeah, yeah, Not to get sidetracked.
Speaker 1: This one was interesting to me because this guy joined
Speaker 1: us late. But Chris wants to know about DJ Foster,
Speaker 1: the Arizona State running back who joined the North team.
Speaker 1: Thoughts impressions. He's kind of, uh in the North version
Speaker 1: of Kenyan Drake. You know, he's yeah, he's not really
Speaker 1: a running back, not really a receiver. He's kind of
Speaker 1: a hybrid version of both. He's at his best when
Speaker 1: he can catch the ball of the backfield. Uh, is
Speaker 1: he just a crazy runner? Yeah, when you when you
Speaker 1: watch my tape, because that's what Drake is, right, Drake
Speaker 1: is not as crazy, but he's not also not as fast, right,
Speaker 1: So he drove the foster, dropped a few passes today,
Speaker 1: you know, is a is a rough first practice for him.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what he does tomorrow, how he can
Speaker 1: answer and you know, show some improvement. I got you, Okay, Dave,
Speaker 1: one more question. We got to take a break. AJ
Speaker 1: wants to know we've touched on him. But Jordan Jenkins,
Speaker 1: the tweener from Georgia has been flashing some stuff again. Thoughts.
Speaker 1: There was a few good uh Georgia Georgia battles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: theis number seventy one, sure, and I think Jenkins won
Speaker 1: for the most part of those battles because he plays
Speaker 1: he comes off the line of scrimmage low and so
Speaker 1: he's able to extend his arms and you get into
Speaker 1: the attack the body of blockers and move them. He's
Speaker 1: you know, he's able to dictate where the blocker's gonna go.
Speaker 1: And so I still like him best in a three
Speaker 1: to four where he can stand up and move around
Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know, he showed me some
Speaker 1: things today as a defensive end, hand on the ground,
Speaker 1: you know, just getting up field quickly attacking blocks. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he's gonna be a guy consistently gonna win
Speaker 1: with speed around the edge. But I did like what
Speaker 1: I saw from today. Yeah, I tell you what, Dane
Speaker 1: just gave you a great thumbnail because I'd proud my
Speaker 1: notes are similar. I thought, this guy can really get
Speaker 1: some push. He lowers his head, he can extend on blockers,
Speaker 1: he can have avoid blocks. He's got some pop at
Speaker 1: the point of attack, which I really like. Tackles in space.
Speaker 1: He's aware, he doesn't get fool you talk about playing
Speaker 1: outside some of the things that they have to deal with.
Speaker 1: Gets up the field, act he finds the football. He
Speaker 1: could overpower blockers. I mean, I'm talking about the running backs.
Speaker 1: He could just flat get it, squeeze the hole when
Speaker 1: he plays on the end and gets off the ground,
Speaker 1: can avoid low blocks. So yeah, he's he plays all
Speaker 1: over the place in George's scheme, and someone's gonna find
Speaker 1: a spot because again, he has size, he's got ability,
Speaker 1: He's got that ability to play with power, and I
Speaker 1: think that's where a lot of guys. A lot of
Speaker 1: teams are looking for that edge type of players. Talk
Speaker 1: about length. Thirty four inch arms, yeah, eleven inch hands.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the type of length. That's Catcher
Speaker 1: Smiths right there. Okay, thank you for everybody for the
Speaker 1: questions on Twitter. We always appreciate that. We love thanks
Speaker 1: to Ed K. Hill for Twitter on the twenty we
Speaker 1: learned a long time ago. Love. I love that you
Speaker 1: continue to give him credit for that. I get I
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Speaker 1: this is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft shows back
Speaker 1: here in Mobile, Alabama at the Senior Bowl. UH, finishing
Speaker 1: up Day two of the Senior Bowl. Conversations we've had,
Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of topics, a lot of players.
Speaker 1: We've been very kind to some, we've been very unkind
Speaker 1: to others. But that's what you're gonna get on the
Speaker 1: Draft show. You're gonna get an honest opinion. We try
Speaker 1: it to sugarcoat anything if there's something and hey, we're
Speaker 1: here to admit if we're wrong too. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: reach out. I mean, there's there's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: right now that are sitting there eating dinner talking about
Speaker 1: these players, and they're thinking, boy, I was really wrong
Speaker 1: about that guy, or I was really right about that Galla.
Speaker 1: Every time we get on here, I think back to
Speaker 1: the last spring, like there's footage out out there of
Speaker 1: me somewhere, just dog and Randy Gregory like no, don't
Speaker 1: do it. No, Yeah. And then at training camp I
Speaker 1: felt like the biggest idiot in the world because he's
Speaker 1: just blowing past Tyran. And then at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, I was like, h feel about feel so
Speaker 1: bad about him. So just a just a couple of
Speaker 1: programming notes for tomorrow, we lose, we're gonna go at
Speaker 1: the same time. We'll be at six thirty Central time tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna lose. Dane will not have Yeah, we will
Speaker 1: not have Dane, but we will have Jeff Cavanaugh and
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner. From one to five three the fan. They're
Speaker 1: here at the Senior Bowl with us. Uh. These are
Speaker 1: guys that together we've done about one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: players and they do a nice job of learning about
Speaker 1: the draft. So we'll get into We'll have another draft
Speaker 1: show for you tomorrow, but just a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Crew day will be here, but we'll be rotating some
Speaker 1: guys in and out and uh, but that tomorrow will
Speaker 1: be our last day. We have no show on Friday.
Speaker 1: We'll go back to normal shows on Friday the following
Speaker 1: week and uh, but stay tuned at the draft show
Speaker 1: again if you need to follow that. We'll put out
Speaker 1: information when shows are information anything you need to know
Speaker 1: about the draft and what we're gonna do. So before
Speaker 1: we close this thing out, we talked about some good
Speaker 1: some bad today and I always like to go, what
Speaker 1: are you looking for tomorrow? What? What what sets up
Speaker 1: in your mind? You know, is there something different we're
Speaker 1: gonna see from the receivers? Braxton Miller is something different
Speaker 1: from him? Day? The quarterbacks, we kind of were railing
Speaker 1: on them a little bit. Defensive line, Danie been for
Speaker 1: offensive line. We you know, what what do you see?
Speaker 1: This is gonna be this is gonna be really the
Speaker 1: third practice for these guys, and they're getting ready for
Speaker 1: a Saturday game, which Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We'll be
Speaker 1: here to cover Dave, myself and Kik Garrison will be
Speaker 1: here to cover it before. We're gonna treat it just
Speaker 1: like a game and have a twelve thoughts and things.
Speaker 1: But just tomorrow, what are you what are you kind
Speaker 1: of thinking about on a on a Thursday practice. I
Speaker 1: want to see, you know, we talked about him, Alapa,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Braxon Miller. I want to see how they
Speaker 1: continue to show Do they continue to show improvement? Do
Speaker 1: they take the coaching that's been given to them? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know we talked about you know, the Cowboys coach
Speaker 1: is telling Braxton, you know, at the top of your route,
Speaker 1: don't be so chaotic, don't you know, take you too
Speaker 1: many steps? Okay, So let's see Braxon Miller tomorrow when
Speaker 1: he's you know, when one on one drills. How does
Speaker 1: he do at the top of his routes. Is he
Speaker 1: being a little more clean with his footwork? Is he
Speaker 1: really putting the time in taking that coaching and making
Speaker 1: the necessary adjustments. Now, it's not an easy thing to
Speaker 1: do so It's not like, you know, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a bad player if he doesn't make those adjustments tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But can he do it? Can he make those quick adjustments?
Speaker 1: We'll have to see and then, you know, Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: the bell of the ball, what we see from him tomorrow?
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, last two days have been good,
Speaker 1: can still show improvement on day three, So eager to
Speaker 1: see what he has for us. Dave no knock at
Speaker 1: all on Carson Wentz. I mean, I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: like fifty percent of the reason and we're all here
Speaker 1: in the first place. But I feel like I have
Speaker 1: a very good grasp on all of the North quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't watched a lick of the
Speaker 1: South guys. I had not missing much for set dak
Speaker 1: Um specifically, I want to see those two, which it's
Speaker 1: disappointing to me that they're not doing better, but I
Speaker 1: still I want to check them out and see what
Speaker 1: they're all. Brandon Brandon Allen's another guy, which, uh, dude,
Speaker 1: throw the ball, stop talking like, don't like this isn't
Speaker 1: a real game. Don't run you know. I hate that
Speaker 1: he did it like four times today on that too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like just throw the ball. That's what we want to
Speaker 1: see anyway, So I want to watch those guys a
Speaker 1: little bit more. And uh, and you know, I'll have
Speaker 1: an eye on Wins because he's Yeah, tomorrow, tomorrow, what
Speaker 1: we'll do is we'll have in the morning. And by
Speaker 1: the way, the North team practices at nine thirty, so
Speaker 1: we're back on a normal schedule. And uh, we're gonna
Speaker 1: show you a little bit tomorrow of some one on ones.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about some of these rushers. We're talking
Speaker 1: about Austin Johnson, We're talking about uh, you know Spence,
Speaker 1: guys like that. So you know, we're gonna give you
Speaker 1: a little bit of any well, he's on the south
Speaker 1: excuse me, ba ya ya the tackle exactly. So we'll
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of one on one with
Speaker 1: the offense and defensive line tomorrow from the North team,
Speaker 1: just to just to show you what these guys can do.
Speaker 1: I'm interested tomorrow and and ken these defensive backs, especially
Speaker 1: on the North side, can they continue the momentum that
Speaker 1: they had today? And I thought that, uh that they
Speaker 1: as a group played very well. You know, I liked
Speaker 1: what I saw from the corners I like, I want
Speaker 1: to see some more of Kennidy. I want to see
Speaker 1: him played in some safety tomorrow. If they're if they're
Speaker 1: gonna move some guys around just to get some looks,
Speaker 1: I'm all for that. I think that's the great thing
Speaker 1: about scouting is when you in your mind you have
Speaker 1: a projection, like man, that guy Fuller from Virginia Tech,
Speaker 1: I would like to see him play safety, the older Fuller,
Speaker 1: the one that came out. He's the Bears, the fourth
Speaker 1: he'll be the fourth Fuller brother to be drafted. Holy cow,
Speaker 1: the Virginia Tech guys, all Virginia Tech guys and mom
Speaker 1: and dad, you know, congratulations on the two of them
Speaker 1: in the league right now. Damn yeah. But but I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see if they can keep the momentum going
Speaker 1: or we will see some adjustments from the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Will will some guys step up and make some play.
Speaker 1: We talk about Peyton, the UCLA kid, Burbridge, you know
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, they're gonna be watching that tape
Speaker 1: tonight and they got their rears kicked pretty well. And
Speaker 1: so and I know knowing Derek Dooley, like we we
Speaker 1: know Derek Dooley he's not going to stand for that.
Speaker 1: So I'm just interested to see if we see a
Speaker 1: different group of wide receivers. We we don't seem to
Speaker 1: be too excited about Chris Moore from Cincinnati, a guy
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about much, but I thought he's been okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have the name, you know, the notoriety,
Speaker 1: but I do think Chris Moore has done okay as
Speaker 1: one of these receivers on the North squad, so um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he can continue to help himself
Speaker 1: as you know, who's the best receiver besides Braxton Miller
Speaker 1: on this North squad. Yeah, it's it's gonna be funny
Speaker 1: because I believe there's gonna be some guys that probably
Speaker 1: didn't practice very well all week, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we get to the game and it's like, huh,
Speaker 1: where did that come up? And maybe we were laughing
Speaker 1: at thet during the break about Kevin Hogan, you know,
Speaker 1: in the big wind up and all that crazy stuff,
Speaker 1: and maybe Kevin Hogan's a gamer. You know, that's say
Speaker 1: this guy somebody at some local TV guy was interviewing
Speaker 1: Mike Mayock after practice and was like, you know what
Speaker 1: when does it hit these guys like is it the
Speaker 1: first practice, the first meeting that like you know this
Speaker 1: is this is the real deal. But in Mayok's like
Speaker 1: if they didn't know that when they got off the plane,
Speaker 1: they're in deep crap. So yeah, well, and I think
Speaker 1: one thing we also have to remember too is you know,
Speaker 1: these practices are great, a great chance to you know,
Speaker 1: see these players up up close and personal. But all
Speaker 1: these players have three four years of tape out there, right,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's more of the resume than
Speaker 1: this week. Now, this week's very important, but so is
Speaker 1: the tape. So it's not like one cancels out the other.
Speaker 1: So even if players haven't a so so week and
Speaker 1: not so great week, you know, strong tape can still
Speaker 1: help you. Well, there's back in the day and that
Speaker 1: I go way back in the day was when Al
Speaker 1: Davis was was alive and running the Raiders. He would
Speaker 1: draft guys off Senior Bowl. I mean that that they
Speaker 1: were if you were like a star, Yeah, combine Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: If you were a star in those games, al Davis
Speaker 1: was likely to be drafting you. So it's funny I
Speaker 1: ran into Reggie Mackenzie today. The gym for the Yeah
Speaker 1: Bolger kid and you have to be careful brothers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: luck Yeah, but it ran into old hogshead cheese and
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, I said, hey, I said, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you know the old man he would be taking.
Speaker 1: I started naming off all these guys. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he sure would have. So yeah, it said. It is important.
Speaker 1: It's one of the it's part of the tool. And
Speaker 1: again I applaud all the kids that are here playing
Speaker 1: in this because either either good bad, they are getting
Speaker 1: the exposure that has allowing us to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And one thing I remember too, this is the last
Speaker 1: time we will see these players in pads. Right before
Speaker 1: the draft, before the draft, the combine pro days, we
Speaker 1: will not see any of these players and past. That's
Speaker 1: why I love and that's why it's important, and that's
Speaker 1: why you know, tomorrow, you know, we need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to the last time we'll see these guys and
Speaker 1: pads the rest of the way. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, Well
Speaker 1: that will do it for the Draft show. Thanks again
Speaker 1: for all you folks out there that to watch us,
Speaker 1: whether you watch us live or watch us later when
Speaker 1: you're working out, or podcast whatever you do. We do
Speaker 1: appreciate it, We really really do. And uh, I want
Speaker 1: to thank Dave David Hellman for all his work this
Speaker 1: week so far, and then Dame Burglar for his expertise.
Speaker 1: I'm Brian Brass for Kent Garrison Executive Proves. Thanks again
Speaker 1: for joining us. We will see you tomorrow night, six thirty.
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