1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi. Everyone, 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: the choices we make, and today I am joined by 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Ross Matthews, someone who built his entire career on raising 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: his hand and betting on himself. Ross has made bold 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: choices in his personal life, trusting his instincts even when 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: people close to him didn't fully understand them at first. 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: Now he is happily married to an educator, and together 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: they've written the sweetest book, Teo and To. We'll get 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: into how they met and why this story mattered to them. 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be joined by my good friend 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Ross Matthews. 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: Hello. 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, when did we see each other last time? 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: I think it was on the set of Drew Barrymore? 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: Right, I think it was it? Was it true Barrymore? 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: Or did we do pictionary with that? 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, no, I think did. 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: We were on Patuonary together and both of us sucked. 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: No, truly terrible. But I will tell you this, I 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: was terrible at it. But they experience every time I 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: see you, every time I get to talk to you, 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: and you know who I am. It's always like not 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: weird for me. Do you understand what I mean? Like 26 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: you are kind, but I still I'm still like I 27 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: know who you are and you know who I am. 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: Like it's always weird, Kase, it's a compliment I do. 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: I do, But it's kind of like a weird Hollywood thing, 30 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: like when you I feel like when you are somebody 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: in the public eye and you meet somebody else in 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: the public eye, it is as if we know each other, 33 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: but we don't. 34 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: Sometimes we don't. But I've known you for like a 35 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: really long time school, but you didn't even know that. So, yes, 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: that's weird. 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: I think we also were both on that here. Remember 38 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty before things went buck wild with the pandemic, 39 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: we were both at the Hero Dog Show. Do you 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: remember that? 41 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: I do remember that. Yeah, I love doing the dogs rescut. 42 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: My dog is right over there watch us do this, 43 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: So that's always so important to Hi. 44 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: Audrey, I know her name, that's weird, but ah Audrey Awdrey, 45 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: what she doing over there? Just sleep and. 46 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: She's aging gracefully and I've had her twelve years and 47 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: she's like a rescue. So I don't exactly know, but 48 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: she leaps, she runs, she cares, she eats, so she's happy. 49 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: What a good life you've given her. 50 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wesh. She's had a lot of facial work 51 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 2: because I won't I won't allow wrinkles in the house. 52 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: But other than that, she's perfectly fine. I'm so so glad. 53 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 54 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: Okay, I love your origin story into the business. I mean, 55 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: you've had this incredible career that you and only you 56 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: made happen all on your own, all from the very beginning, 57 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: just by being one hundred percent authentic to who you are. 58 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: And I remember watching your stuff on jay Leno and 59 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: wondering where in the world did they get this adorable 60 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: man and how did they hit the jackpot like this, 61 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: like you were just like you came on the screen 62 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: and it was wow, he's got it. 63 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: Oh I I'll go back a little further, and thank 64 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: you for saying that. I'll go back a little further. 65 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: So I grew up in a little farmtown, loving pop culture, 66 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: feeling like I was like a weird gay cartoon human, 67 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: you know, like just like I did not fit in 68 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: this little farm town. I didn't know exactly what I was, 69 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: but it wasn't exactly this, and I just loved pop 70 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: culture and I just had this like you know when 71 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: you're young and you just like burn for things and 72 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: you just you can't explain it and you need to 73 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: draw to think. So I knew I was going to 74 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 2: be on TV, and I knew I was going to 75 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: be working in talk. I just at seven years old, 76 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: I pointed to Regis and told my mom, I'm going 77 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: to do that, you know, Oh my god. And so 78 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: I went to college. I thought, oh, what do you do? 79 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: I got a degree in communication. But while I was 80 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: doing that, I thought and senior year, I thought, I 81 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: got I've got to like get a gig. I don't 82 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: know how to do this. So I got an unpaid 83 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: internship Atlanta, which I remember driving to the interview for it, 84 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, this is how it's going to start. Now. 85 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: Mind you it was unpaid it, but I just knew it. 86 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: I had goosebumps. 87 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: I got goosebumps. 88 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: Well you know when you know things. I just knew it. 89 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: And I worked there for free, for like, I mean 90 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: a whole semester, and then my last day, well a 91 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: little other thing. I also am nosy, so I wanted 92 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: to know. And I love television, so I wanted to 93 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: know what a writer was, what a producer was, who 94 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: pulled the curtain or the cord so the curtain could open? Who? 95 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: I wanted to know everything. So instead of like doing 96 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: what I was supposed to do, which was like making 97 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: copies and coffee, I would just go to the writers 98 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: and producers and be like, can you tell me? Like 99 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: just what do you do? 100 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: You know? 101 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: And one of them thought I was funny. So when 102 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 2: a comic dropped out of covering the Ocean's eleven premiere, 103 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: that writer said, you know who's funny is Ross in 104 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: the Hallway? 105 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: And Ross in the Hallway? Oh my god, can you 106 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: make a show called Ross in the Hallway. 107 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea, but it just was. I 108 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: think it was undeniable. I look back now, people ask 109 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: how did it happen? I really don't know, except that 110 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: I knew that it would. 111 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: It was just destiny. Did you have like a big 112 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: picture plan for the career that you wanted? Like it 113 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: sounds like you knew from the very beginning, But once 114 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: you got your foot in that door, what was it 115 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: that you were like, this is what I want? Ultimately, 116 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: and this is how I'm going to get there. 117 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's all it sounds like you're saying, like, Okay, 118 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: I want to walk, I want to go to the 119 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: moon one day. It sounds as outlandish as that, but like, okay, 120 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: I just knew. I was like, well, I better start 121 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: preparing what you're gonna eat on the moon because it's 122 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: I am no, one hundred percent certain this is happening. 123 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: So when they told me, what they did is they 124 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: brought me in that day to the head writer's office 125 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: and said, you know, would you want to go cover 126 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: with George cliney the Ocean's eleven premiere? And I'm like, ew, 127 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: would I? And so I was like yes, like yes, 128 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: when now you know yeah no? And so I had 129 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: like an hour before it happened to like sit by myself, 130 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: and I remember thinking like this really this crazy moment 131 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: of clarity, Jenny. I don't know if you have these. 132 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: I think we all are lucky to have a few 133 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: in our lives where I remember thinking, Okay, they're going 134 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: to laugh at you at first, just get them to 135 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: left with you by the end. Because this was a 136 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: different time in television like Will and Grace, maybe had 137 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: been on a couple episodes. Ellen had just come out 138 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: and been put away. 139 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: You know. 140 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: It was the year was two thousand and it was 141 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: two thousand in one. Yeah, it was two thousand and 142 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: one December six thousand and one, and I just just thought, like, Okay, 143 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: they're not ready for this, but just get them, get 144 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: them with you by the end, and you have like 145 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: a six minute segment on Leto's what I had, So 146 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: I had six minutes to earn earn it, and it 147 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: was like that for the first few years. That was 148 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: my goal. And I did that show for fourteen years, 149 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: and I remember every time going out there reminding myself 150 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: they're going to laugh at you at first, get them 151 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: to root for you by the end and laugh with you. 152 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: And I did. 153 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that so much. 154 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: Thanks. 155 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it that you were able to tell 156 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: What would you tell that guy now? That Young Ross? 157 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: In many ways, I think Young Ross had a lot 158 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: more answers than current Ross stuff. You know, Like I 159 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: don't know, I think when we start including logic on 160 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 2: our plans, we sort of fall over ourselves. I think 161 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: it's better to just know that you can live on 162 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: the moon and not think about the oxygen. Does that 163 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: make it? That's a metaphor, you And it's what I'm saying, 164 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: Oh I do. 165 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: I like metaphors? Thank you. 166 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that I could 167 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: do it now. I think I would think about, you know, well, 168 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: what are the sponsors want and what's the democratic audience. 169 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: That like, as we get older, we have all these 170 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: like we understand our responsibilities so much more, and then 171 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: it kind of gets in the way. 172 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like you know that saying like you, 173 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to know how the sausage is made, 174 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: Like I don't want to really know how it works. 175 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: I think there's there's a lot to that because the 176 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: sausage is made is kind of gross and you kind 177 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: of know everything that goes into it. And now I 178 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: produce TV and I've been doing this for almost twenty 179 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: five years, Jenny, and like, I just think I got 180 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: to just not give a crap what the sponsors thought 181 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: and just be funny. And I like, I think I'm 182 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: kind of trying to get back to that a little bit. 183 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: I know, it's weird. It's life is so weird, and 184 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: like getting older is such a weird gift, but it is. 185 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: Can I ask you how old you are? Is that rude? 186 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: No? 187 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: I just turned forty six. 188 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: My picks for is. 189 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: But my parents died young, both of them relatively long young, 190 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: and I think that there was a little gift in 191 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: there for me, as painful as it was that I'm 192 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: still trying to figure out, which is this understanding that 193 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: there's no take to My dad was fifty nine when 194 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: he died, you know, so I think about, God, I 195 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: have what fourteen years left if I get to that point? 196 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: So what do you want to do? And that's what 197 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm kind of not struggling with. That is what I'm 198 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: processing right now. So when you ask me, like, I 199 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: forget how you exactly phrased it, but I'm a very 200 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: different person than I was twenty five years ago in 201 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: terms of my relationship with the world. 202 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, I mean I think I thought about that 203 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: too when my dad passed away, for sure, Like that 204 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: sense of mortality becomes such a realistic element in your life. 205 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I ought to be clear, I'm not like 206 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: obsessed with dying. I'm obsessed with living, right, And you 207 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: want to live? I want to live? You will live? Yeah? 208 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, you talk about choosing yourself as a way 209 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: to be a better person in your relationships in life. 210 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: How did you come to know that it starts with you? 211 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I knew that younger. I 212 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: think I think my husband had a lot to do 213 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: with it. And Neil meeting him like six years ago, 214 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: your husband. 215 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Who is a teacher, who is a hero. 216 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: He's so smart, so smart, and like he we go 217 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: off to work and come home and like, what do 218 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: you do? And I'm like, oh, like on the set today, 219 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: I dress up like Dolly Parton and made chili and 220 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: my nail fell off and I go, what did you 221 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: do it? He'll be like, well, there was some at 222 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: risk youth who we counseled through. I'm like, understood, I 223 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: understand which one of us makes a real difference in 224 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: the world. 225 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: That's so crazy. I love it so much. 226 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: Wild which is my dinner is so fun because we 227 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: really catch up on our day and our days are 228 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: so different. But it starts with me, you know. I 229 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: think it's time and age that teach you use you 230 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: your role in it. You know, it's about I was 231 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: just talking to my brother this morning about something that 232 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 2: happened with somebody else, and I heard myself say well, 233 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: rather than just be like, well, screw with them and 234 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: have that, but it was like, well, you know, they've 235 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: been going through a lot, and I wonder in their 236 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: childhood if they had you know. And I think that 237 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: that's the kind of stuff you get to know as 238 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: you're older, Like you can trace back your own reflex 239 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: in your own response to things and have empathy for others. 240 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: Right, And I think also, yeah, you start to be 241 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: a little less reactive out of the gate, at least 242 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: for me. That's why are you getting good at it? 243 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting better at it. I'm definitely getting better at it. 244 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: I think that that's one of the things that I've 245 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: really noticed about getting older is that I have that 246 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: ability to give it a beat. I'll really think things 247 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: through for a second and then respond instead of just 248 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: firing off something which didn't really serve me very well. 249 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: So I think it's a matter of like looking at 250 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: your life and saying, what has served me, well, what 251 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: have I done, whether it's in my career or whether 252 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: it's in my personal life, what have I done that 253 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: got me the results that I wanted or made me 254 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: feel authentic in living the life that I want being 255 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: the person that I want, and you're able to really 256 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: kind of sort of you know, itemize those things. 257 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, what am luxury that we can do that? 258 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Right? 259 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: You think about like I wonder if my mom ever 260 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: got to have I mean, I'm sure she did, but 261 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: she was so busy just kind of surviving, getting through 262 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: it all. Like, isn't it great that I hope everyone Like, 263 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, I think if I had like two 264 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: little kids running around stuff, when I have this time 265 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: to try to be so try to get evolved, you know, 266 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: like what a luxury it is. But it really is 267 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: a luxury, And I'm so grateful to kind of be 268 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: aging like this. 269 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're lucky for sure, But I think it 270 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: gets everybody. Whether you're a busy mom running around, we 271 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: all have our moments where we are reflective. I think 272 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: at some point. 273 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: See, I don't think I could do it, the fact 274 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: that you have kids and do all this, Like I 275 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 2: am so simple that if I had I have a 276 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: chihuah one, I'm like, it's really hard for me to 277 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: find time to reflect, you know what I mean, I 278 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: don't know how you do it. I look at like Drew, 279 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: I see her work every day. I go to the 280 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: same hours as her, and like she also has like 281 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: two human beings who are growing up that she's dealing with. 282 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: And I just I don't know, Like, how did you 283 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: do it? How do you rise up and like do 284 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: all that? 285 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: You know, there's no like rhyme or reason. There's no 286 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: reason why I'm able to do it. It just when 287 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: you get in a situation, you all of a sudden 288 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: just get the wherewithal to make it happen, like it 289 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: comes with the territory, and then you just do you 290 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: just go. 291 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: I guess what's the other choice is not Yeah, I 292 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: guess you just do it? Maybe I would, maybe you 293 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: know what, maybe maybe we all can rise up to it. 294 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I don't know, but I don't 295 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: want to sell myself short. But I'll know, my god, 296 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: no never. 297 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 4: I'm Kristin Davis, host of the podcast Are You a Charlotte? 298 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: Most anticipated guest from season three is here the Tray 299 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 4: to My Charlotte. Kyle McLaughlin joins me to relive all 300 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: of the magical Tray in Charlotte moments. He reveals what 301 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 4: he thinks of Trey giving Charlotte a cardboard baby. 302 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I was 303 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: literally I was like, this doesn't track for me at all. 304 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 4: When he found out Trey's shortcomings, I'm kind of. 305 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: Excited to talking about it. You know, I think he's 306 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: he's a guy spends time in Central Park. You know, 307 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: he's probably don't know' be some. 308 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: Surgery stuff, you know. 309 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: And I was like, all this kind of stuff going on, 310 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, and they said, 311 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: but he's impotent, And I was like, he's impotent. 312 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 4: And why he chose not to return to it? 313 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: Just like that, They came and presented an idea, and 314 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: I was like, I get I see it. 315 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: It's so kind of a one joke idea. 316 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: You don't want to miss this. Listen to Are you 317 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: a Charlotte on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever 318 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: you get your podcasts? 319 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: Were there any choices I'm curious earlier in your life 320 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: that maybe you were making or made that your friends 321 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: and family maybe weren't sure about, or maybe they weren't 322 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: supportive of. Did you have that growing up? Yeah? 323 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean when I tell you that I 324 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: would say what I wanted to do in my life 325 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: when I was little, and it never changed. The reaction 326 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: wasn't always I mean, it was funny at first, and 327 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: then I remember specific like relatives who I love and 328 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: I'm close to, who were just looking out for me, 329 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: telling me like what are you doing get a degree 330 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: in public relations? Like if you want to be in media, 331 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: what are you doing? And then even one moment I 332 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: remember before my dad died, he got to see the 333 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: first couple years of LENO and the beginning he asked me. 334 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: I remember, like him being very cautious the way he 335 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: asked me, but he said, like, do you think maybe 336 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: they're making fun of you? And I remember knowing what 337 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: you're saying, but I just said, like, truly, I don't 338 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: give a shit, because like I want to use this 339 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: they can make fun of me, but like what I 340 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: was saying at the beginning, Jenny, I wanted to win. 341 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: By the end, I was convinced I could, you know, 342 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: I could get them to root for me by the end, 343 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: and so I told him like, I don't care if 344 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: they are and if and if they are, like I'm 345 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: still going to use this platform. Yeah, yeah, but it 346 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: did scare me a little bit, but I still was undeterred. 347 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, I did have people. I mean, it's a 348 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: crazy thing about when you were little, like I wasn't 349 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: going to be an actress, Like okay, you know, but 350 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: then look what you've done, and I don't what is 351 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: that inside is that we just we hear that, we 352 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: understand their nerves, we understand the pragmatism in their argument, 353 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: but like, okay. 354 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't align with what you have in mind, 355 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: so yeah, just let it go. Yeah, do you think 356 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: standing clear, being able to stand clear in those choices 357 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: has ultimately helped you show up better and stronger and 358 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: more authentic? 359 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: Now yeah, yes, yeah, I'm processing. Yes, I think in 360 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: the early days I had no choice but to show 361 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: up like that because I got my one and I'm 362 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: going to talk about in terms of my authenticity, right 363 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: being a gay person on television back then everything. But 364 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: I didn't have the luxury of ever being in the closet, 365 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: Like can you imagine if I if. 366 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: I was just like no, I don't mean to laugh, 367 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: but no, exactly, nobody can put ross in a closet. 368 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: No, right, like baby in the corner, Ross in the closet. 369 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: It's not happening. And so I never had the pressure 370 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: of not talking about it. You know, people are like, oh, what, 371 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: what gave you the courage to talk about Are you nuts? 372 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: I would have had to like, what wear flannel and 373 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: not speak for a decade this is and I'd look 374 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: like quiet lesbian, it's not happening with me. I'm never 375 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: passing as a street man. So that was actually a 376 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: really big gift in terms of standing by my authentic self. Yeah, 377 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: no other choice. 378 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: You give such great advice, and you know, I love 379 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: your social platform what you're doing with it. But what 380 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: would you say to a young person out there who 381 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: doesn't have that feeling of safety or security that they 382 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: can do it authentically one hundred percent all the time? 383 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: What would you say to them and encourage them to 384 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: make independent choices. 385 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think I would say, and I want I 386 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: want this to be sort of a broad statement or 387 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 2: broad advice to anybody who feels like maybe they are 388 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: against the grain, whatever that means to you. I grew 389 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: up in a little farmtown, and in my case, I 390 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: was gay in a little farmtown, and I didn't see 391 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: anybody else gay. I didn't see them on media. I didn't. 392 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there was like a hairdresser you were 393 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: like in town, like Larry or so. I don't know him, 394 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: but you know, he seemed great. But like, there wasn't 395 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: anybody that I could see as a gay grown up. 396 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: So I remember thinking, as a little kid, can I 397 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: become a grown up? Because I, you know, grown up 398 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: like a grown up guy married a woman. I knew 399 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: I was going to do that, So like, what is 400 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: life then? I didn't know, right, And so what I 401 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: wish I would have known then is that somewhere, maybe 402 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 2: not outside my front living room window or my bedroom window, 403 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: but somewhere in the world there would be a group 404 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: of people that would not tolerate me, but like celebrate 405 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: me and love me because they were they had what 406 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: I was in common. And so I think for anybody 407 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 2: who goes against the grain, if you can just hold 408 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 2: on to the fact that I promise you somewhere there 409 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: is a community for you, somewhere, maybe not in front 410 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: of your house or in your small town, but if 411 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: you seek it out, there will be people just like you, 412 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: people who will make you feel like you're not alone. 413 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: Did you have that within your own small town community 414 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: at all? Did you have anybody that was championing for 415 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: you or celebrating your uniqueness. 416 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: Yes, not in terms of like peers that were also queer, 417 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: you know, but in terms of like especially women, my mother, 418 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: my mom's dress friend, Bonnie teachers, especially Diana at the bank. 419 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: Shout out to Diana from Criana used to give me, yes, 420 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: she used to give me a little suckers when I 421 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: would go in and I she had to know I 422 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: was like a giant, flaming eight year old, but she 423 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: loved me, you know. So it was women women who 424 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: made me feel like, I mean really the shit really, 425 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: like when I went into that. 426 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: And like they just lit up when you came in 427 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: the room. I know the feeling because I am Diane 428 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: right now. I'm like you when I see you, every 429 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: time I see you, I feel like I love this man. 430 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: Like there, I can't hold back thank you. 431 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's almost like that what you like get 432 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 2: energy that you feel is like what fuels me Like 433 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: I would then like I felt so good going in 434 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: to see Diana at the bank that then it became 435 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 2: my mission to make Diana feel great at the bank, 436 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: you know, and and like that. I don't know when 437 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: that was my focus. I didn't give a crap that 438 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: they were being mean to me over there, because like, Okay, 439 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: you don't get it, but Diana's going to be so 440 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: excited when I come in with or and fill in 441 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: the blank, you know. So it was. It was. That's 442 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: why I mean, as gay as I am, I I 443 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: love women. I mean I don't have sex. I don't 444 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: want to touch them, I don't have sex with them, 445 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: but but I want to learn from them. I want 446 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: I want their I want their genius. 447 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the beauty that you know what. That's why 448 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: I gravitate towards the gay community so much, because I 449 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: feel like they're my best friends, like I do. There's 450 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: no weirdness ever, there's just happy and support and like camaraderie. 451 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: I just think that it's so interesting to hear from 452 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: your perspective how much you love women, because I've been 453 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: saying that all these years that I'm just dialed in 454 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: when it comes to my friends that are gay, and 455 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: I love them so much, I can't even take. 456 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: It, can I. I don't know if you're taking applications, 457 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: Jenny Garth, but if you are looking for to add 458 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: another gay friend who will love you, I. 459 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: Actually you're in. 460 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: You're hired, Audrey, I'm in. Okay. 461 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: Speaking of gay and happy, you had a post not 462 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: that long ago. I'm not sure when it was that 463 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: you said that it is exactly how you pictured your 464 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: life as a grown up, gay, happy and in love. 465 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 2: That's exactly it. I know, right. It was a moment. 466 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: It was this summer. I was eating at one of 467 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: our favorite restaurants. You know I live. I live in 468 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: New York now, which I can't believe it, but I've 469 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: been here for almost six years, and we were at 470 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: this restaurant we go to all the time. It was 471 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: beautiful summer day and my husband Wellington, was across from 472 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: me and I had a martini and Audrey Mark dog 473 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: or twelve, I mean, this is really gay, was next 474 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: to us. You're on a little bag and the chair 475 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: next to me, and I was wearing a hat that 476 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: Drew gave me that it was like, it's Audrey on 477 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: my hat. So I'm like, such levels of gay, you know, 478 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: but it's exactly what I pictured. It was one of 479 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: those moments in life where I was like, Okay, if 480 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: it all goes away, I'm just noting it right now. Yeah, 481 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 2: it happened, and I can. I'll always remember what this 482 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 2: feels like. 483 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: Good. Well, let's talk about the happy end and love 484 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: part of that, because, as you said before, your husband 485 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: is a teacher, God bless his soul. What do you 486 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: love about him? 487 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, he's he he's a teacher forever and now 488 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: he's he's like an administrator. To know, he like trains educators, 489 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: he does all that. What I love about my husband 490 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: is how different our life is. You know, he was 491 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: he was born in the Dominican Republic. He moved here 492 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: at five. I didn't speak the language. Came and was freezing. 493 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: It was November. He didn't know what cold was. You know. 494 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: Think about all the foreign this land, this country was 495 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: to him. And now I meet him, and he when 496 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: I meet him, he has two masters, a doctorate, is 497 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: you know, like an assistant superintendent. And I just meet 498 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: this person who is such a force of nature, all 499 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 2: self made, and I just remember being in awe of him. 500 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: And then as I got to know him, I realized 501 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: how silly he was. And I love both of those 502 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: components of him. That he's like this brilliant person who 503 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: it's so different in me from me in many ways, 504 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 2: but also I relate to how aggressive and ambitious he is, 505 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: and then when he comes home, he's just a whack 506 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: of do and I, I don't know. I love that 507 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: he makes me laugh every day. He makes me think 508 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: he can think. 509 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: I'm awe laughter, it's laughter, right, number one on the. 510 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: List, number one. The other I was just in Charleston, 511 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: South Carolina, and I came home the other night and 512 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: made you know. When I got home at five, I 513 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: made dinner and I realized I was going to bed 514 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: that we just had music on and I cooked and 515 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: we didn't stop talking the whole We didn't put a 516 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: TV on, but we didn't stop talking and laughing until bedtime. 517 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: And that was just a normal day. But I really 518 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 2: clocked it. 519 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 1: It was great. That's good. I'm so happy for you. 520 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. 521 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: Hey. 522 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: It's Wilfred Dell and Sabrina Bryan. 523 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: From the podcast Magical Rewind and we have a very 524 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 3: special guest on this week's episode. He's the mastermind behind 525 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: some of your favorite movies like Hocus Pocus, Newsy's The Descendants, 526 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 3: and of course High School Musical. Yes, it is the 527 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: one and only a living legend. Director Kenny or Tega we. 528 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 5: Sit down with Kenny to talk about his incredible career 529 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 5: and the legacy he's created with his choreography and films. 530 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: You seriously will not want to miss this one. 531 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 5: Listen to Magical Rewind on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 532 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 5: or wherever you get your podcasts. 533 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: Hi, it's Jenny Garth, host of the I Choose Me podcast. 534 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: This week, I'm so excited to welcome my friend Gabrielle 535 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: carteris the Andrea Zuckerman from Beverly Hills nine o two 536 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: on ZHO to the pod. We're choosing to get real. 537 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: I applied to the networks about my age and contracts. 538 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: They never would have hired me if they had known 539 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: my age. We're choosing to be honest. 540 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 4: She looked at me, and she said, this business is 541 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: about the mask, which you have neither of, and. 542 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: We're choosing to get nostalgic. Listen to I Choose Me 543 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get 544 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: your podcasts. I know your mom passed away. I'm not 545 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: sure what year was that, twenty twenty so I heard 546 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: you say in a post also that you had to 547 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: mourn your mom alone, and my heart broke because I 548 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: can't even imagine how isolating that must have felt, even 549 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: on top of everything that was happening with the world. 550 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: But to be going through that kind of grief and 551 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: loss alone in a house, alone, where you didn't have 552 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: people coming. 553 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 2: We didn't even have a funeral because it was the 554 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: height of COVID, you know, it was. It's the only 555 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: way that I know to mourn my mother because it's 556 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: the only It's how it happened for me. But looking back, 557 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: I do feel robbed of closure maybe or what usually happened. 558 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: Let's go back. What usually happens when somebody dies is 559 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: the family gathers, you sit together, you cry, you talk 560 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: about the person, you literally mourn, and you are held 561 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: up by those who love you. That was not my experience. 562 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: And I still am. I think I'm still in the 563 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: middle of it. I mean, it's going to be six 564 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: years in May, and I I just didn't get that 565 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: part of it. 566 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know, like, celebrate her life, yeah, in 567 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: a community set, you know, or mark her existence almost, 568 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: you know, like yes, and I and. 569 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm still figuring it out how I 570 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: feel about that. It wasn't my choice but I mean 571 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: literally we you know, people couldn't gather. So but I don't. 572 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: I don't know how. 573 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: What if you what if you did something, what if 574 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: you created? 575 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 2: Think about it? Yeah, I think about it, but I 576 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't. I don't know, Jenny, I don't 577 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 2: know if I'm scared to go pulled all that up 578 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 2: again because I'm like, no, I mean, it wasn't put away, right, 579 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: but at least it's put away that I want to 580 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: like take all that laundry out and fold it again, 581 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: and we might be a yeah, yah ya yaye. 582 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: That's a big choice. 583 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big choice, but it might be the 584 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: best choice. So I'm on that fence. I have those 585 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: same thoughts. 586 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, only you'll know, yeah, and then the answer is 587 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: whatever it is, because we all grieve differently, obviously, But 588 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: I just I wanted to go back and be able 589 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: to support you during that time. You know, just send 590 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: you loving energy, and I just can't imagine how hard 591 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: that must have been. You're so strong, thank you. 592 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: You know, it was such a shitty time for everybody, 593 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 2: remember that. Oh god, I know it was pretty bad. Yeah, 594 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: but it did bring me here, I have to say, 595 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: I think if I I think maybe in those moments 596 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: that's when I also decided to move to New York. 597 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: Is because I met I met Wellie January. To my 598 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: head when January twenty twenty, Mom pissed away in March 599 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 2: or so I may, when the world was shut down, 600 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 2: oh man, and then I you know, I came to 601 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: visit Wellington in New York in October of twenty twenty, 602 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 2: and that's when I popped in for Drew for a 603 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 2: day and then just stayed here and decided to move. 604 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have like put a 605 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: saddle on life and ridden it, you know, to write 606 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: it like I did, if if I hadn't been broken 607 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 2: from the death of my mother like that. You know, 608 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: I think in a way she maybe orchestrated it from 609 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: beyond or something. 610 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you do feel that way? I feel that way? 611 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: You do? 612 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: Or are you? 613 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: Like? 614 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: I feel like her passing or someone's passing always leads 615 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: to some sort of divine guidance at the around the 616 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: corner if you're open to it. And I think that's 617 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: the hardest part when you're in grief and you're you're 618 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: struggling so much. But then when you are open to 619 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: feeling them and be you know, being led by them 620 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: on a spiritual level. Magical things seemed to open up. 621 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again getting rid of logic, right, I feel like, 622 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: remember how we talked about when you add logic and 623 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: then you kind of wouldn't make the same decisions. But 624 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: I think I was so heartbroken that logic was out 625 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: the window and I was just operating by gut, which 626 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: is kind of I think when the best stuff happens. Yeah, yeah, truly. 627 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so you and your husband wrote a book together. 628 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: We could tell me. 629 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: Where is it? When did happen? 630 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: So we were at our wedding. I remember our wedding 631 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: day Wellington. So it was so beautiful. We got married 632 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: blocks from where we met in Portavarta. It was the 633 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: first thing out of COVID. It was like twenty twenty two. 634 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: So people were like I remember looking at them, be 635 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: like I haven't left the house in years, and here 636 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: I am, and for it was great. I mean I 637 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: think six people got COVID at the wedding, but whatever, 638 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: it still was worth it. But so wedding comes to 639 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: me and his nephews, who are of course my nephew's 640 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 2: now but his sister's kids were our ring bearers, and 641 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: he said, I saw the cutest thing. Remind me to 642 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: tell you later. He told me this on our wedding day, 643 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: and the next day he told me I saw them 644 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: with their father rehearsing how to like walk in unison 645 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: and he's like, it didn't occur to me that they 646 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: would be so nervous to do it. And we started 647 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: talking about how cute that was that they wanted were 648 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: that they were nervous, and I was like, they're nervous 649 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: is my wedding day? Why are you? I was making 650 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: a joke. But when we asked her they were nervous, 651 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: they said, well, we just wanted to show up for 652 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: you guys, you know, And we thought, oh god. Wellington 653 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: the educator thought there is such a lesson in that 654 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: about no matter who you are, showing up to your 655 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: family matters, right. We all want to do that. So 656 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: we decided to write this book. I'm a storyteller by nature, 657 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: he's an educator, and so we used this book, this 658 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: story with those things. Drew our Drew was our actual 659 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: flower girl at our wedding, so we made her a 660 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: little girl in the book because it would be weird 661 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: to have like a movie star directly, a little weird. Yeah, 662 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: and it was. So the book just was so cute 663 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: and I'm so happy because we're right. We just wrote 664 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: a second book in the series, and that'll be coming 665 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: out soon too. 666 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: What's that one going to be called? 667 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: It's a Teo and Teo story. So we follow the 668 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: boys and our relationship. But we like we realized is 669 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: you know, when we had this idea, we did a 670 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: lot of research in terms of books about two uncles 671 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: for kids, you know, in terms of just like that 672 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: special relationship, and it's it's a niche, I understand, but 673 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: it is valuable, and there weren't a lot of them. 674 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: So we just thought, well, let's tell our story. I 675 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: love that write what you know right exactly. It's the 676 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: publishers were like, where's the second book. I was like, well, 677 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: something has to happen. I can't make up a scenario. 678 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: This has to be based in real life. So as 679 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 2: soon as like something happened, I thought, oh, there is 680 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: a story we're telling. We wrote it so good. 681 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: You clearly love working on the Drew Barrymore Show because 682 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you have a heartbeat that's such a dream 683 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: job for you, so perfect. I can't even a show 684 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: that you're now a producer on. Yeah, can you tell 685 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: me how that happened? 686 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: Well, I, uh, well, the show is great. You've been 687 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: at the show. We love when you come on the show. 688 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: There's a special vibe there. It comes from Drew. We're 689 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: in season six. It is the best. I love producing 690 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: in general, even on The Tonight Show. You know, I 691 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: was there for a few years before and then I 692 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 2: became a creative consultant was my title. But I was 693 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: really producing all my sons with it, and I learned. 694 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I went to boot camp with the best. 695 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: These are people that work on The Tonight Show are 696 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: the top of the game, right seasoned? Yeah, And I 697 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: learned from them so much. And so I've been producing 698 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: really my whole career. I produced Drag Race. I produce 699 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: this show now other things I love. I think TV 700 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: is like a rhythm. It's almost like music. You know, 701 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: you watch it and you're like, if you're watching rehearsal, okay, 702 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: that's wrong, that note is off. We got to fix 703 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: like the cadence of it. It's not working. And I 704 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: love going to rehearsal. I sit down there. There'll be 705 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: like a stand in for me sometimes. I just I 706 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: need to see it sometimes and then I pop in 707 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: and you can just iron out and make it smooth 708 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: and help tell the story in a more balanced, smooth way. 709 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: I love that part of producing. I'm not great at like, 710 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: let's find three experts and track them down in ninety 711 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: seven emails. I'm not that kind of producer. Well it 712 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: could be, but it's a different. 713 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: Kind of producer. 714 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: You're creative, yes, yes, And I love finding people who 715 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: that I'm obsessed with, who I think people will relate to. 716 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: There's this woman on TikTok who goes thrifting and she's 717 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: an antique expert, and she'll tell you about what to 718 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: look for, like this is this kind of Crystal is cut, 719 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: this kind of Crystal's handmade. I'm obsessed, doctor Lori. We're 720 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: getting her on the show. So like finding people who 721 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: I think have something to say. I love that part 722 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: of producing. But it's about a love affair with television. 723 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: I just I love editing. I edit all my own stuff. 724 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: I love not on television, but all my like when 725 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: I'm on my social media, I edit all that stuff. 726 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: It's it's a puzzle piece. Media is I just I've 727 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: always loved it since a little you know me? Hello, 728 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: you know better than me? Are you doing it for sol? 729 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: How long? 730 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: Now? Oh god, don't do that. 731 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: I don't understand it. 732 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: A long time since I was seventeen. 733 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, so we know what we're doing, 734 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 2: and we've been around people who do it better than anybody. 735 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 2: And if you pay a lunchin around great people, you 736 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 2: become much better. 737 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: I know that's the way to go. Go to somebody 738 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: who's his nose more than you, who's had more success 739 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: than you, and just watch and learn. I mean, just 740 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: hearing all of that makes me really have a you know, 741 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: I know, but like I still have even a more 742 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: appreciation for how hard you have worked to get where 743 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: you are and how far you have come. 744 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 2: Thank you. 745 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: Congratulations by the way, on the show getting three Daytime 746 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,959 Speaker 1: Emmy Awards this year. 747 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: I know, I know our her and makeup team, our 748 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: directing team and Drew herself, Oh my god. 749 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: So deserved. 750 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: And what does it feel like it feels? I know 751 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 2: it feels well, there's a few fee one. I'm so 752 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: proud of the people I work with. They're so good 753 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: at what they do, to see them be recognized and 754 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 2: you know, to dominate. It's the job is great recognition, 755 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 2: the nomination, and then to win, right but selfishly, the 756 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: Ross Matthews experience was going to the Daytime Emmys and 757 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 2: walking it and thinking about being in Mount Vernon watching 758 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 2: Rosie cry when she won her first or watching Oprah, 759 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 2: or watching Susan Lucci and Jenny When I'm tell you, 760 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 2: I would sit and watch them and be like, oh God, 761 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: when I get to go there, I know I'm gonna 762 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 2: wear a white tuxiedo because I love that look and 763 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 2: I know, I mean when I was in like a kid, 764 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 2: and so to go there it was just confirmation. It 765 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 2: was like I wished I could have. I thought about 766 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: Little Ross and I wish I could show him, but 767 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 2: I know what he would say if I could go back, 768 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: like in the time machine and say look and he 769 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 2: Little Ross would go, I know. 770 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, duh, here we are. 771 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: I know. This was my plan and it was great 772 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 2: and I felt like I didn't feel like an imposter, 773 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 2: you know, because sometimes we do. I felt like I 774 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: earned my ticket in a way like I felt like 775 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 2: I you did. Yeah, I felt like this is what 776 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: I do because a lot of times in life you 777 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: feel like, what am I doing here? Shut up? Just 778 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 2: act like you belong right, blended, yeah, Blendon, this one 779 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 2: I felt like, Okay, yeah, girl, you earned your ticket, 780 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: so enjoy it. Enjoy the show. 781 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: Feeling for you. 782 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good, And I enjoyed the show. I didn't 783 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: go to the bathroom once it was three and a 784 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 2: half hours. I used in the front and I just yeah, 785 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 2: that face, just stupid happy. 786 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: Oh that's so exciting. I love this for you. Do 787 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: you find yourself talking to little Drew to little drewid listen? 788 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: Do you find yourself talking to little Ross a lot? 789 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, more about asking questions and talking to him like 790 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 2: I think about like, like, how would you do it 791 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: if you didn't know what to do? I think about 792 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: that a lot, Like the conversation a little bit earlier. 793 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 2: I think I turned to him for answers more than 794 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 2: to give him answers. I love to I just feel 795 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 2: like I knew more when I was little. I didn't 796 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: let the life get in the way of making decisions. 797 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: It was more gut. 798 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: Well that your gut has worked for you. Thanks. It 799 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: seems as if I want to ask you I know 800 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: your your schedules really crazy. That daily talk show schedule 801 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: is very grueling, especially as you're producing it. What do 802 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: you do to create peace? Like inner Piece, any tips 803 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 1: you could share on finding those pockets of peaceful moments 804 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: or even moments of self care. 805 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 2: I think for peace moments for me, or going to 806 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: gratitude with the perspective we talked about, you know, like, 807 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's part of aging or what, 808 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 2: but I really do go there even when I'm frustrated 809 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 2: or something like I'll just try to just God, this 810 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 2: sounds so cheesy, it's really I get it. I hear it, like, 811 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 2: go to gratitude sounds so dumb, Like it's like it's 812 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 2: on a sign, a go to gratitude, right, I hear 813 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 2: my Though I don't want to speak in home good 814 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 2: sign lingo, but I really do feel like that. I 815 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: think I feel it centers me, it brings me to somewhere, 816 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 2: or like I can be really annoyed by something at 817 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 2: like something what happened that's just unfair coming, and I'll 818 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 2: just be like okay, okay, okay. Because the flip side 819 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: of this ross is there's no job. The flip side 820 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 2: is you're working still at Lane Bryant, which was a 821 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: great job just but like in high school at the mall, 822 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 2: like you know, like there are ye. 823 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: I love it that you've worked at Lane Bryant. Hold on, 824 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, my people, hello, I love wow wow. 825 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 2: But I even like in my life, even a bad 826 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 2: day of work is like the fact that I have 827 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: a badge that gets me through those doors is a win, 828 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: you know. 829 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: So you go back to gratitude. Yeah, it works every time. 830 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 2: I think it does. I think it's a cliche for 831 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 2: a reason, but it really does. Really. 832 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems so silly. 833 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: With perspective, though, I think perspective is an ingredient that 834 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 2: gratitude needs because like I'm grateful to be alive. Okay, thanks, 835 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 2: thank you, next, right, but like I'm grateful because of 836 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 2: this reason because it could be this. It's helpful for me. 837 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: In a world though that as ours right now, that 838 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: feels wildly out of control. How do you choose gratitude? 839 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 2: Like, well, you better choose it quick because if the 840 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 2: world is out of control, who knows what we have left. 841 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 2: So if you're going to choose gratitude, I would do it. 842 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: Like maybe today oh yeah, right now, because wait till tomorrow, 843 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: which you have. Either you can live in anger and 844 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: resentment and unhappiness, or you can just live in gratitude. 845 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: It sounds a lot simpler. 846 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 2: Well, it is a choice. I understand we're wired certain 847 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: ways and people are wired in different ways. In my wiring, 848 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 2: it is it's always faster, short, or quicker, more efficient 849 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 2: to go to gratitude as soon as possible. 850 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Oh my gosh. You wrote a very funny book 851 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: called name Drop The Really Good Celebrity Stories. I usually 852 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: only tell it a happy hour, so that's a good title. 853 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 2: Thank you. 854 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: So I was thinking in honor of that, we would 855 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: play a little name Drop game for a fun holiday 856 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: bonus that will drop later this week, so I don't 857 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: miss that. But I'm just so thrilled at all of 858 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: your success and I'm just so grateful for you joining 859 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: me today, my old friend. 860 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 2: I'm so happy. Listen, I and we and we are friends, 861 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 2: you know, I really, I really do mean that. But 862 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 2: I I'll love you for so long and I'm not 863 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 2: nervous around you anymore. But I do have to say 864 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 2: at first I wasn't, but I love that we are here, 865 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 2: So thank you. I love our Yes, I love our evolution. Okay, 866 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 2: before I let you go, Ross Matthews, what was your 867 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 2: last I. 868 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 1: Choose me moment? 869 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 2: I really think it. I don't know it's my last one, 870 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 2: but my last big one I hinted earlier I talked 871 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 2: briefly about. But it was about coming to New York. 872 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: It was about feeling something and following it, even though 873 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 2: it was super scary. I think, you know what a 874 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 2: luxury was that I could do that, that I could 875 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 2: but and it was almost selfish in a way, you know, 876 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 2: like I'm going to go move across the country now 877 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 2: and okay, and I had to do it in a 878 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 2: way where my brother come watch the dogs for a 879 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 2: few months, and that we had to move things around 880 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 2: to make it happen. 881 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,959 Speaker 1: Other people had to help. 882 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 2: And it was only so I could go do something, 883 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 2: you know, that I could go follow this person who 884 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 2: I was falling in love with and go show up 885 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 2: at the show. That there was an opportunity. It was 886 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 2: just for me, and so many people moved things to 887 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 2: make it happen. But I think about what if I 888 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 2: hadn't been selfish in that time? 889 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: Do you think it was selfish? 890 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 4: Though? 891 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 2: I don't think so thought it was until you just 892 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 2: asked me that, because it was all about me. It 893 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 2: was like, I want this, I'm going to do this. 894 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 2: It's going to be uncomfortable for some people, and I'm 895 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 2: gonna have to ask favors from some people and so 896 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 2: I can go get this. So in a way, yeah, 897 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 2: it was. But I think it would have been into 898 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 2: service not to yes. 899 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: And I don't think that the people you asked things 900 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: of would see it as you being selfish. Honestly, I 901 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: would think that your brother would be like, look what 902 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: he's done, and if he hadn't done that, who knows 903 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: what would have happened in his life. 904 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 2: Well, I love that perspective, you know. Wellington tells me 905 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 2: that too. I always think I'm annoying or in the 906 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 2: way of people, and he's like, some people want to 907 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 2: show up for you. Some people like doing things. 908 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people want to show up 909 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 1: for you, Ross because you're a good human. 910 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 2: Well, Jen Garreth, can I go what time tomorrow? Let's 911 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 2: do this again? 912 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, I love you. 913 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 2: I love you.