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Speaker 1: that that hits close to home, but um, it's I

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Speaker 1: don't know where who wrote that. That's how you want

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Speaker 1: domestic times. Put that on our shoulders. From the Chris

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. It doesn't sleep on the couch

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just going to turn into another now.

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Speaker 1: But if she's already a sleep and stuff and I'm

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Speaker 1: maritable strife, right, I'm not. I'm not saying shiny boys

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Speaker 1: why I would say that Greg and I have packaged

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Speaker 1: in a certain way. There could be other things. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're you have an addiction. You have an addiction to

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Speaker 1: All Right, here we go, let's get into it. It's

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Speaker 1: the legal tampering period ahead of the dawn of the

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Speaker 1: new league year is what eighty four hours away, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, something like that. Monday at noon Eastern that begins,

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Speaker 1: contracts can be finalized. The trades that we've seen this week,

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Speaker 1: As Mark says, commanders. Uh, that becomes official on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we are going to have some fun today

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Speaker 1: Why not go for it? Um? Also, we have a

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Speaker 1: I'll start there, but this one I kind of want

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Speaker 1: to just see happen because are there are whispers that

428
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Speaker 1: Cleveland is not going to bring this player back. Jadeveon

429
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Speaker 1: Clowney to the JEFF simply to observe Dan take a massive,

430
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Speaker 1: hard right turn from the half decade of jabbing and

431
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Speaker 1: needling from Dan towards Clowney. If the JEFF want to

432
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Speaker 1: pay big money to uh watch another guy get injured, yeah,

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Speaker 1: bring in jo Davian Clowney. That's fun your South last seas.

434
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he fits that defense exactly what

435
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Speaker 1: they're they're looking for. Honey Badger. There's some buzz about

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Speaker 1: him to the Ravens, which I think would be a

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Speaker 1: fun and typical and make sense great move. I would

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Speaker 1: love to see him on the Patriots. Just have a

439
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Speaker 1: bunch of different safeties that can do a lot of

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Speaker 1: different things. Adrian Phillips, Kyle Dugger, Like, you don't have

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Speaker 1: any cornerbacks. While I'm talking Patriots secondary, I'll just throw out, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: how about we just how about they just replace J. C. Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Carlton Davis. Carlton Davis to me could top Harold Landry's

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Speaker 1: fifty two million guaranteed. It kind of fell under the

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Speaker 1: raider that Landry got fifty two million guaranteed. That is

446
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Speaker 1: like in the Aaron Donald Rain. I mean that isn't

447
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Speaker 1: like super I think these contracts are gonna be wild.

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Speaker 1: And Carlton Davis, if we were doing the old Sandwich

449
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Speaker 1: thing where we would pick who gets the most guaranteed money,

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a shot at it. And I

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Speaker 1: want Jacy Jackson for that matter, one of the two.

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Speaker 1: Why why shrug off che C Jackson, who you already

453
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Speaker 1: know fits the system has already been better than Carlton Davis.

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Speaker 1: I would like that even more that I just doesn't

455
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Speaker 1: seem like someone else, someone else, And Robert Slid desperately

456
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Speaker 1: needs a dog, and his secondary j C. Jackson makes more.

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Speaker 1: And I just wonder if they're gun shy because the

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Speaker 1: Jets have the two biggest cornerback misses in the free

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Speaker 1: agent market over the last five years with Tremaine Johnson

460
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Speaker 1: and Durell Reeves. Would they want to give massive money

461
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Speaker 1: to a guy that Belichick said we'll let him walk,

462
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Speaker 1: but he's a ball hawk. He's exactly what New York

463
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Speaker 1: needs in their secondary um and the Jets obviously have

464
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Speaker 1: as much cap space as just about any take out

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Speaker 1: because Joe Douglas. You look at ten years and when

466
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Speaker 1: guys are gonna get fired, and sometimes that's when you

467
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Speaker 1: find who's gonna spend Chris Ballard think he's on the

468
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Speaker 1: hot seat this season ton of cap space. I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna spend. Joe Douglas. I think he's on the

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Speaker 1: hot seat this season. Think he's gonna spend ton of

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Speaker 1: cap space because those guys that might not get another

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Speaker 1: offseason if it doesn't go well. How to get Jets

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Speaker 1: fans excited? Signed j C. Jack into a billion dollar

474
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Speaker 1: contract and then draft Kyle Hamilton's and you completely remake

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Speaker 1: that secondary, and Robert Sala gets Carl Lawson back with

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Speaker 1: Quinn and Williams and we start to go to work. Uh,

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Speaker 1: sick of the whole Jets Patriots sharing players were a

478
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Speaker 1: little Jets heavy here, But I truly believe Alan Robinson

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Speaker 1: would be perfect for them. I just think, well, if

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Speaker 1: they have a quarterback of yeah, but Zack, to me,

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Speaker 1: that is a quarterback. You want a wide receiver you

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Speaker 1: want to add with Zack Wilson. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: lean into his strengths, which is throwing the ball vertically

484
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Speaker 1: to the outside down the field. He can do that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that's gonna be And it's Allen.

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Speaker 1: Allen Robinson is the only guy out there like that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a nice Robinson. You don't have a

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Speaker 1: quarterback because everywhere he's played, they that quarterback has completely sure.

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Speaker 1: But like that is a great one to three Corey

490
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Speaker 1: Davis as a two and more as a three, and

491
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Speaker 1: those three players to me, complement each other very well.

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Speaker 1: What the missing piece they have is kind of the

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Speaker 1: burn here on the outside. And yeah, we don't know

494
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson can play. Was a very up and down,

495
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Speaker 1: mostly down rookie year. But if you use a number

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Speaker 1: two overall pick on a quarterback, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: invest and see if he could play with some top

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Speaker 1: tier talent. I'd love to see that. Um, Alright, anybody

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Speaker 1: else have another one? I would like to just see

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Speaker 1: this happen because it would, um add a little more

501
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Speaker 1: salt under the wound of the Seahawks. Speaking of our

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Speaker 1: next guest, Bobby Wagner to the Rams, Yeah, just go

503
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Speaker 1: spend the money, go do it. Add this guy who

504
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Speaker 1: basically just as another tipping point figure in a defense

505
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Speaker 1: that wants to get back to this. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: that'd just be out of spite. Well, I guess they

507
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Speaker 1: know how great Bobby Wagner is because I've seen this

508
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Speaker 1: band need About here. Steve Weish kind of hinted at it,

509
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Speaker 1: and it feels like a RAMS move, doesn't it. It does,

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Speaker 1: but they also never pay for that position. They don't

511
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Speaker 1: have a lot of space, um so that it would

512
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Speaker 1: be fun though. One last one is how about those

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Speaker 1: a f C champions Cincinnati Bengals. You guys said it

514
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Speaker 1: wasn't sexy enough for TV, but I think it is

515
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Speaker 1: Laramie Tunsil to the Bengals. He's on of Texans right

516
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Speaker 1: now and he's kind of an under the radar trade candidate.

517
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Speaker 1: I expect him to be traded in the next two weeks.

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Speaker 1: I think the Texans they have some of the issues

519
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Speaker 1: that maybe Miami did with with him, but they already

520
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Speaker 1: paid the guaranteed money out Houston that is, and I

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Speaker 1: think if you're taking on Tunsil, I think Cincinnati take

522
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Speaker 1: a shot with him. I'd rather do that than you know,

523
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Speaker 1: signing Brandon Schurff, which I've heard as a possibility in Cincinnati,

524
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Speaker 1: like a breaking down guard. And now, how about give

525
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Speaker 1: me the the upside of Laramie Tunseil, give up whatever

526
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Speaker 1: he would cost. I don't know they, I mean hopefully not.

527
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Speaker 1: First right side was an epic disaster. Surf if healthy

528
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: is a good player, but his durability has been an issue.

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Speaker 1: You got Eric Fisher in the show yesterday, you got

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Speaker 1: Laramie Tunsel into that. I mean, you're acting like Laramie

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Speaker 1: Tunsil is an he like he entered the game as

532
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Speaker 1: a potential number one overall drect draft pick who fell

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Speaker 1: partly because he used a bomb, Like, hey, everyone knows

534
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Speaker 1: him there, and then he got traded for like three

535
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Speaker 1: first round picks to from Miami to Houston. People know

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Speaker 1: Laramie ton So it wasn't just that also included Bill O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't also just an anecdote, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was an awesome from his past, and it was

539
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Speaker 1: just an outrageous bong. In hindsight, though, I think it

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Speaker 1: was just like the bong made him look like a

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Speaker 1: guy from like Mad Max or something. It's all legal now,

542
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Speaker 1: so you shouldn't have knocked him down the board. It's

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Speaker 1: all right. You can understand. I'm not saying I'm not

544
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Speaker 1: making passing any judgment on people that use that recreationally.

545
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying maybe on draft night, for that video

546
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Speaker 1: to surface, you know, it might have given teams pause.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that. All right, good talk, They're good,

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Speaker 1: Ton sol gas Mask, bong talk. Let's take a break

549
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Speaker 1: and then bring in our guest, Michael Sean Dugar. Welcome

550
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: back to Around the NFL Guitar. Our next guest is

551
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: a repeat guest because we like him because he gets it.

552
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: He covers the Seahawks for the Athletic. He just wrote

553
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Speaker 1: a banger about the disillusion of the marriage between Pete

554
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Speaker 1: Carroll and Russell Wilson, and now we welcome him on

555
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Speaker 1: to talk about that situation. Ladies and gentlemen. Michael Seawan Dugar,

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Speaker 1: what's up, buddy? What up? What up? How are you

557
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: guys doing? Doing good? But so we you were on

558
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Speaker 1: the show for the first time last year. It was

559
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Speaker 1: probably around this time or maybe in the spring, and

560
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Speaker 1: we talked about Russell Wilson and the Seahawks and what's

561
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Speaker 1: gonna happen, and how it felt like a pivotal year

562
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Speaker 1: was going to be for this marriage, and it almost

563
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Speaker 1: felt I remember at the time I was talking about

564
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Speaker 1: they need to have a nice year for this thing

565
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Speaker 1: to get calmed down. They didn't have a nice year

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Speaker 1: and things didn't get calmed down. And now Russell Wilson

567
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Speaker 1: is on the Broncos. So let's start there. Michael Sean,

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Speaker 1: Is this a marriage that could have been saved if

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Speaker 1: they just were able to get things on track in

570
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Speaker 1: or was was this a divorce that was gonna happen

571
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Speaker 1: anything short of say, a deep playoff run. Yeah, it

572
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: needed to be a deep playoff run. I think they

573
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Speaker 1: needed to probably get to the NFC title game. Obviously

574
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Speaker 1: getting to the super Bowl would have been great. I mean,

575
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Speaker 1: I just think that they had there. There was no

576
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Speaker 1: middle ground, really, and I think I probably talked about

577
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Speaker 1: it last time I was done here too. Like when

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Speaker 1: you have a guy who named his book Win for

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Speaker 1: Forever as Pete Brow, and you guys have another guy

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Speaker 1: who names his son Win, you know, I'd be Russell Wilson, Like,

581
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Speaker 1: you really don't have any room to do any losing

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Speaker 1: if you guys can't agree on stuff. So I always

583
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Speaker 1: thought that, Um, if Russell Wilson didn't see a direct

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Speaker 1: path to a championship, at least following one season. Like

585
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Speaker 1: I said, if they lose close in the NFC title game,

586
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: that means you're right there, right But other anything short

587
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: of that, you could just tell it like they have

588
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: the same goal, which is to win, but they just

589
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: can't agree. They being rust Pete, maybe even John Schneider,

590
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: they just could not agree on not only just how

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Speaker 1: to get there, but what happens when you encounter obstacles.

592
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Speaker 1: And I think that that last part is really important.

593
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: Every team encounters them. But if you're not on the

594
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: same path and had a problem solve, you'll really have problems.

595
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Speaker 1: I feel like your average Seahawks fan can read your

596
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Speaker 1: incredible right up on on what happened here and contemplate, yes,

597
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: the the split was coming, Um, this was sort of inevitable.

598
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Speaker 1: But you also on your podcast Seahawks Man to Man

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Speaker 1: Um talked about the word hubris on the part of

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks organization people inside of it. Can you just

601
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Speaker 1: kind of unpack like what they're thinking was because it

602
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: sounds like they maybe seem a little too overconfident that

603
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Speaker 1: they can overcome the rare move of trading away a

604
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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Yeah, and that's that's the word hubris is

605
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Speaker 1: that was used to me, I think twice in conversations

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Speaker 1: with people after the raide, just kind of talking about

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Speaker 1: why Seattle would do it. Now, obviously Pete Carroll and

608
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: John Snader aren't gonna get up there and say, yeah, no,

609
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: we just think we can draft another Russell Wilson. But

610
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Speaker 1: remember this is the team that was reportedly going to

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Speaker 1: draft Patrick Mahomes in seventeen, the team that reportedly called

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Speaker 1: the Browns, or at least talk to the Browns. I

613
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Speaker 1: don't know who called who ahead of the team draft

614
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Speaker 1: to potentially trade for the number one overall pick that year,

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Speaker 1: believe to then have been used on Josh Allen if

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Speaker 1: the if the Seahawks had it, which would have been

617
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: a good move clearly, um, But like those moves just

618
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: signal that this team, maybe it's just John, maybe it's Pete,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's John, A couple of personnel guys believe, hey man,

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Speaker 1: you can give us enough draft picks. We can rebuild

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Speaker 1: this thing once we built it. Once we can we

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Speaker 1: can build it again? And I don't even necessarily fault

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Speaker 1: them for thinking that because in the league where the

624
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Speaker 1: average like lifespan quote unquote of a player is about

625
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: three years and some change, you can't just count on

626
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Speaker 1: having guys forever. You know, it just takes one knee

627
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Speaker 1: injury or something. You know that this is a team

628
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Speaker 1: that lost the draft pick because he broke his face

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Speaker 1: on an a TV. I'd be Malik McDowell before he

630
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Speaker 1: even got to training camp, as you kind of have

631
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Speaker 1: to view these guys as as indisposable. I think Darius

632
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: Slay of the Eagles tweeted, I think last night or

633
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, that teams just think all

634
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Speaker 1: Pro and Pro Bowl players grow on trees. And he's

635
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: not wrong. They do think that, you know, because they're

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Speaker 1: the ones who draft and acquire those All Pro and

637
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl players. They think they can do it again.

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Speaker 1: That's not to say that Seattle immediately thinks they can

639
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: find a quarterback better than Russell Wilson, but clearly by

640
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: agreeing to trade him, they must think we can at

641
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: least get by without Russell Wilson, right, And I think

642
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: they've they've thought they can draft that well because they

643
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: started off historically great, but it really hasn't been that

644
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: way on defense for a while. I loved the idea

645
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: that you're kind of putting out there that's like, I

646
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: don't believe that Pete Carroll is going to rebuild. I

647
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: think they're gonna spend what they can in cap space.

648
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be aggressive. They're gonna use these

649
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: draft picks, and they're gonna try to contend this year

650
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: to prove everyone wrong. It's gonna be tough, but I'm

651
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: just like interested in going back a few years because

652
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: the way that you painted how close they were, how

653
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson were very much on the

654
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: same page, and and they had almost certain sort of

655
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: rules for Russell Wilson not to criticize him, uh too publicly,

656
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: and how in the end there was a lot of

657
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: criticism uh from Russell Wilson's camp of Pete Carroll privately

658
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: and how they were burying his boss, but that Russell

659
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: Wilson was always trying to have like this plausible deniability

660
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: of like, well, I didn't ask for a trade. I

661
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: just said here's where I would want to be traded

662
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: if I was gonna get traded, Like, how did that

663
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: play within the organization with his teammates and how how

664
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: like wouldn't that be annoying to be working with this

665
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: dude for the last five years while he's kind of

666
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: buring you privately, and like, how did that work with

667
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: his teammates? I'm really curious. Well, as long as you're winnings,

668
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: not too bad, right, And and I think I do

669
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: have to give some credit to my coworkers Jason Jenks

670
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: and Mike Sando. We kind of triple byline that story

671
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: and that sex, and you're highlighting they're kind of the

672
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: background with Rust and Pete. That was a lot of

673
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: them more than it was me. We all worked on

674
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: a story together, but that particular section they did a

675
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: lot of heavy lifting. So I gotta give them a

676
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: major shout out. But yeah, Russ is a polarizing figure

677
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: in Seattle for some of the reasons you mentioned. Um,

678
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, even look at this last season, right, This

679
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: last season is a really good example. And I have

680
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: to write a story I think at some point about

681
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: his legacy and I'll include you know, this kind of

682
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: like anecdotal evidence. They're like Russ broke his finger. That sucked, right,

683
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: No one wanted him to break his finger, right. But

684
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: then then the doctor tells you you have six to

685
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: eight months sixty eight weeks. Excuse me that you gotta

686
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: sit out because your finger is broken. Russ, here's that

687
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: and goes, well, I could do it in three to four. Well, no,

688
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: that's not how diagnosis usually works. Brother. So you got

689
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: the guy, you know, seemingly and this is not anything

690
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: a player told me or coach told me specifically, but

691
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: like he got the guy seemingly still making it about him,

692
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: and on Sunday Night football, he's still like doing the

693
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: routine even though he's on I r uh, you know,

694
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: like stuff like that. A lot of the surgery he's

695
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: putting the instagram of the recovery, like, yeah, he was

696
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: setting it all up right, you know. It's it almost

697
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: became like a Russell Wilson production, which is not Again

698
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: that's normal, but when you're winning, it's easier to just

699
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: buy it's kind of just you know, par for the course.

700
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: But then when you rush back, you know against the

701
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, you know, at two weeks after the

702
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: team put up a thirty ball obviously against the Jaguars.

703
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: But you know, and Geno Smith first win and then

704
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: you get shut out, you know, by Green Bay. You know,

705
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: that stuff doesn't sit well. You know if I think,

706
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: like two weeks later in Washington, he threw an interception,

707
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, on the two point conversion the last play

708
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: of the game, and Wenday Night Football, they lost that game.

709
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: And not to say everything was was Russ's fault necessarily

710
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: that teammates don't like, don't just hated the guy, hated

711
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: his guts. But you know, it's just easy, easy to

712
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: excuse stuff that, yeah, you could dismiss it like annoying

713
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: or cheesy or whatever, when it's not followed by greatness,

714
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: like his work ethic will never be questioned. Its talent

715
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: will never be questioned. But it's like, hey, man, if

716
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: you kick in a certain way, we need you to

717
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: be here and be great, you know. And I think

718
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: that that that made him like a polarizing figure behind

719
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: the scene. You know what's interesting too, is that one

720
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: thing that didn't quite check out to me, And maybe

721
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: you could offer some insight on this. There At one

722
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: point in the piece in the Athletic Um, it's written

723
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: that there was some thought that Wilson was checked out

724
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: during this season, but like a guy that's checked out

725
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: doesn't rush back from a broken finger like that made me.

726
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: That made me think, well, he seemed to be still

727
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: be a great competitor. But if you're a guy who's

728
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: checked out, aren't you gonna take that maximum time and

729
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: get get to the off season? Any thoughts about that? Yeah, no,

730
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: that that's fair. That's a good point, I will say.

731
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: And and and that was something I heard directly. I

732
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: guess I'm spilling which sections were Who's one? But like

733
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: that that that's something I was able to contribute to

734
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: the piece, that line in particular. And it's something I

735
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: kind of heard later in the year, so like after

736
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: the rush back from the finger injury, maybe around like

737
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: uh maybe after they beat like the Texans. Maybe not

738
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: directly after, but around you know, early December ish, where

739
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: it's just guys like man three just may not be

740
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: in it, you know, because players prefer to guys as

741
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: their jersey numbers, like even though they know their full

742
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: names and stuff like, it's like three might not be

743
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, in this all the way. And it makes sense,

744
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, right, because this is the guy who who's

745
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: agent gave Adam Schefter here, man, if we don't want

746
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: to trade, but if you're thinking about it, here's four teams,

747
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: Like how do you already have four teams on deck? Right?

748
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: That means you already have you got one leg out

749
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: the door, you know. And then I think around that

750
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: same time I heard that, uh, guys thought he was

751
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: checked out? Boom, Jordan Schultz has the list of three

752
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: new teams, Saints, Broncos and Giants. Rust gets asked about it, says,

753
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, I never said that to Jordan's okay, but

754
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the information isn't true, right, which is

755
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: which is important. He's not as at this as he

756
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: thinks he is, doesn't it feel like that with the

757
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: way Wilson tries to play the media, he's not as

758
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: good as as some other players in a prominent position.

759
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I think his his it's really good there there.

760
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: They are actually probably some of the best at playing

761
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: this game. But it's just stuff like that is because

762
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: you have a good question there, like right, a guy

763
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: who's checked out is not gonna rush back. But I

764
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: just think it was It was more so after towards

765
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: the end, like man is this guy really want to

766
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: be here still, Like you can just kind of sense

767
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: there was leaks or performance or whatever. And then what

768
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: do you know, um he uh he wants to dip.

769
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, he signed off on that no trade clause

770
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: to to bounce the Denver. So I think the checked

771
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: out part like adds up for me, especially if you

772
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: think about it, like and everything after he comes back

773
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: from the finger injury. What's so crystal ball this? Because

774
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: now that's great that Seattle and the people inside won

775
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: this power struggle and end of an era. Everything has changed,

776
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: but you still have to go find the next quarterback.

777
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: And you can't just try to sell Andy Dalton to

778
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: the northwest part of the country here, Like what is

779
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: the move? I mean, is there maybe something explosive coming

780
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: like a Deshaun Watson or a trade for Kirk and

781
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: someone that we can identify as an actual starter. Yeah,

782
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: I would have to think so if for no other

783
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: reasons survival And now I've been telling anybody who's willing

784
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: to listen, Like in the NFL, I haven't been covering

785
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: this that long. I'm twenty nine. But for the most part,

786
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: for the for the most part, here, people who cause

787
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: the need to rebuild, don't get to see the rebuild through.

788
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: That's usually not how it goes. So like, if you

789
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs in and you have to rebuild, and

790
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: you miss it again in two, what's what's the job

791
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: security like at that point? So I think for survival

792
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: purposes Pete Caroline John Snyder basically down to two options

793
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: in my mind, like you said, you can't you can't

794
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: try Jimmy g out there, miss Drabinsky and expect to

795
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: keep your job for longer than a year, right, So

796
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: I think they're down to two options. Either you get

797
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: an established guy like Kirk, or you you keep your

798
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: eyes on the biggest caveat qualifier in the world and

799
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: see if Deshaun Watson is not going to jail um

800
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: then you see if you can trade for him, or

801
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: you you get a rookie in the draft. Get a

802
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: rookie in the draft, maybe buy you from time, depending

803
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: on how good or bad that rookie is. But I

804
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: just think the option they have to eliminate is get

805
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: the stop gap journeyman Jimmy g Tyrod Taylor, Geno Smith

806
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: type of guy, because you can't trade Russell Wilson and

807
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: then put that out there, like you can't put Tyrod

808
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: Taylor on the season ticket holder renew email Ino, No, no, no, no,

809
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: that's how you get can after two seasons trust the process. Yeah,

810
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: but you made us feel very old, you know, saying

811
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: you're still still in the twenties here. But I respect

812
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: that you have watched Russell Wilson in person though, But

813
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: before we let you go, I I'm just curious where

814
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: you think his level of play is. Haven't haven't seen

815
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: him so often in person? Do you think he is

816
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: close to his peak? And do you think, like, what

817
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: do you think the rest of his career could look like? Here?

818
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: Because I think I do think if they believed in

819
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: their hearts peak Carol and John Schneider for all the

820
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: annoying aspects them him wanting to be out and and

821
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: you had there was a source in the article that said, like,

822
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: this era is over with five weeks left of the season,

823
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: they thought it was out, so they saw this thing coming.

824
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: I believe that if they thought he was Aaron Rodgers,

825
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: if he was the top three or four quarterback, they

826
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: still wouldn't trade him. And so they're betting on a

827
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: little bit that maybe he's he's not at that level.

828
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: What what level do you think he's gonna be at

829
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years. Yeah, they are. They

830
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: are betting on that, Like I don't. I think part

831
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: of the other part of this trade from their perspective

832
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: is we ain't given him fifty million dollars a year,

833
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, this time next year, which at that they're prerogative,

834
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: and I think you know, when they speak next week,

835
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: or at least when Pete speaks, you probably hint at

836
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of money. Um only unless you

837
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: for a guy, unless your guys like competing for m

838
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: v P every year, which Russ was there for like

839
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years, then that's just a

840
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: really really really high price tap. I think that Russ

841
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: at his peak is still one of the best quarterbacks

842
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: in the league. I mean even in mahomes teen season,

843
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: like Russ was right there behind him in touchdown percentage

844
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: despite being on like the most run heavy team in

845
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: the league. He was like m v P through like

846
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: week nine. You can go check the numbers. He was

847
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: through like week eight. You go check those numbers. So

848
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: like at the peak of his powers, he can do it.

849
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: I also think one thing working in his favorite is

850
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: just consistency. You just know what you're gonna get from

851
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Russ every year, every week, every snap for the most part,

852
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna get like a Pro Bowl caliber player pretty

853
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: much every year of his career. And I think that

854
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: will be the case at least for the next three

855
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: or four years. Um So I think also this another

856
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: thing too. You look at when he broke his finger.

857
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: Remember I said that Doc said six eight weeks. That

858
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: was in week five. Let's imagine he took the full

859
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: eight you start from when that would have been to

860
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: the end of the year, and he was himself again.

861
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: He was like a top five guy through five weeks,

862
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: and the top five guy in like last four or

863
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: five weeks with a presumably healthy finger. So as long

864
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Speaker 1: as Rush stays away from Aaron Donald next year, the

865
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: guy who broke his finger stay away from him, then

866
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: he should be back to weight. Top five, top seven

867
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: guy could have made a playoff run because we know

868
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: Gino wasn't losing another start. If you just gave you know,

869
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: I know it, uh, Michael Sean, before we let you

870
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: go a lot of pop on this podcast, I through

871
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: my support behind the Australian alternative rock group from Sydney,

872
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: Gang of Youths a lot of pop. Behind the scenes.

873
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: On Twitter, people are like, yeah, good choice. You are

874
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: a music man. What are you listening to right now? What?

875
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: What should our audience be plugged into in your room?

876
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: I know you're a big hip hop guy. I am.

877
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: I've actually been listening to more like artists who like

878
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: infused like jazz into their hip hop, like a lot

879
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: of Kenjick Lamar, like specifically his second album um With,

880
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: where he worked with the dude named Thundercat, who's like

881
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: a really George Duke inspired like hip hop kind of

882
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: jazzy guy. Um So, I definitely recommend him, though he

883
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: didn't like pay me to say that or anything. But

884
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: just like when I write this is like I don't

885
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: know how many people as writers that listening to the show,

886
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: But when I write, I listened to a lot of

887
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: like late nineties early two thousand's Neo soul um know,

888
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: Scott Lauren Hill, D'Angelo music, soul Child, So like I

889
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: can get down with music that precedes me a little bit.

890
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: You know. That's all stuff that came out when I

891
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: was like six or seven years old. But that's that's

892
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: kind of my vibe again, making us feel a little

893
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: because that was like in our college wheelhouse right there.

894
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: Oh D'Angelo the slow pose? What was that song? Uh yeah,

895
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: oh yeah. Um, all right, you've done it again, Michael Sean,

896
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: and I apologize. I think I d M you and

897
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: I called you SMD, which would be Shaun Michael Dugar,

898
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: but it's Michael Seawan. Yeah, that's a bad job. But

899
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: it's because because you you do in your Twitter you

900
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: have Dugard comma Michael Seawan, and then it just scrambles

901
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: in my head that that should be reversed as well.

902
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: Is that on purpose? Uh no, no, no, just forget.

903
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: I wrote my Twitter bio in like college. That's why

904
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: if you notice it's still like in the third that

905
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: third person thing I have bio. I wrote that like

906
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and people love it, so I haven't.

907
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: It sounds like a Dan issue more than it does.

908
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's my problem, alright, Michael Shawn Dugar.

909
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: Make sure you check him out at the Athletic. Also

910
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: on the Seahawks Man to Man podcast. Thank you, my man,

911
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you later. Appreciate you guys. For

912
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: having me. Thank you, He goes Michael Shawn doug Um.

913
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, Greggy. If you I think

914
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: you're even in your it got it's on my nerves

915
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. I gotta say your top one on one.

916
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: When you added Bobby Wagner, totally cool. There you have Wagner,

917
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: by the way, where is he seventeen? Totally fair. He's

918
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: not Bobby Wagner anymore, but he still capable player who

919
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: can help the right team. But you you make sure

920
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: to like say, oh, he's in decline like Russell Wilson.

921
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm not certain Wilson. You also called him thirty four

922
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: and he's thirty three. These little things he's micro aggressions

923
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: during the season, that's that's a problem. Yeah, that's these

924
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: little micro aggressions towards will And I understand why you're

925
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: not as babe, I find him annoying like the Seahawks,

926
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: I think, I think that's what it is. But I

927
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: what I thought that was very interesting what he said

928
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: there that if you if you do put that full

929
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: what the doctors were telling this man to do, which

930
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: is you need to have the surgery, you need to rehabit,

931
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: you need to give it the time, and he didn't

932
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: and his place suffered as a result. So it was

933
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of you can say, oh, he's trying

934
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: to be a good teammate, or you could look at

935
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: the other that like throw it out because he was hurt.

936
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: But it's his own like hubris that put him back

937
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: in the right at least from a team perspective. But

938
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: from an evaluation perspective, that's fair. Maybe I'm overrating the

939
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: end to which really stuck in my head that last six,

940
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: but you got a factor in the first eight weeks,

941
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: X factor for me Broncos forward. Because all these players

942
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: talk NonStop and we mentioned it, you know when the

943
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: news broke and this article was just emphasized. It's so

944
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: much more that Russell Wilson, for all his peculiarities, um

945
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: seem to just not have a lot of player fans

946
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: inside the locker room. And it's not just John Schneider

947
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: and Pete Carroll in the in the Power Brokers. It's like,

948
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: what that's an issue. I think for some of these

949
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are moving from Team A to Team B,

950
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: it's not just their play make it happen, though. I

951
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: think in Denver for a couple. You know, it's like

952
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: he'll help those guys get better numbers, will be fresh

953
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: early on, But I mean, can it be sustaining? And

954
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: one last thing, uh, that Michael Shawn pointed out, which

955
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I agree with when you kind of brought up, is

956
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: the is the in decline to somebody that's been boots

957
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: on the ground, there there's but there's a gray area.

958
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, they might have decided they wanted to

959
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: move on without him because they think they're better in

960
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: the long run, but that the fact that they don't

961
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: want to pay him forty five to fifty million dollars

962
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean they don't think he's an excellent star quarterback.

963
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: That's just not the model that they think is the

964
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: most effective way to build a champion, which you can

965
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: absolutely make the case in the modern NFL that it's

966
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: very hard to build a champion when you give that

967
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: much to one player. It's you know, it's it's a

968
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: thorny situation and it's in a lot of ways. I

969
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: think the way it ended with Wilson not playing up

970
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: to up to his highest level and the Seahawks going

971
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: into decline, a lot of that I think would went

972
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: into just a relationship running its course, performance getting caught

973
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: up on that, and everyone needing a fresh start, right

974
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: that That's sort of what I was getting at, like

975
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: a year ago, where it was like you, on some

976
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: level they had to make a choice as owners because

977
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: it didn't seem tenable that if you really wanted to

978
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: build around Russell Wilson, it probably was time for a

979
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: regime change. They didn't want to do that, So it's

980
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: time for Russell Wilson changed. The only the only concern

981
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: here is there's no Mike Munchak in Denver, the offensive

982
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: line coach, uh and that talent group up front. He

983
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: might be complaining about his pass pro I'm getting hid

984
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: too much. I'm just saying, that was such a great

985
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: interview you guys. I'm just laughing. Not only Dan did

986
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: you get his name wrong, but he's he's you know, younger,

987
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just laughing at him opening up his D

988
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: M S and you saying, hey, s M D, which

989
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: is a an acronym that people use for other things

990
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: that means something. So I'm laughing at him looking at that.

991
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: Do you say I didn't even think about that? That

992
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: is one that's a tough one. It was unintentional, but

993
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad everyone just googled Urban dictionary. So yeah,

994
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: I just have to let you guys know, like what

995
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: that Oh, that's awesome. What that means? That is amazing? Hope?

996
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: What was his response, he replied? He replied, I mean

997
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: if he didn't reply, it would have been he arrived

998
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: on the show. That that was good. He knew it

999
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: was no bunch of old We were young. Why are

1000
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: you so self conscious about getting older? Greg? Why do

1001
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: you keep why do you keep throwing all of us

1002
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: under the bush. I'm totally doable. I like, it's just

1003
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: a good It's like, we don't do you want to?

1004
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: You want to? Ye? Amazing SMD, thanks for coming on

1005
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: the show. Day such a charring, right turn. You have

1006
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: to follow up it? And uh you said and that's

1007
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: why I said yikes, And you guys are just like, yeah,

1008
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I got his name wrong, and I'm like, what, like what?

1009
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: I love it? Alright live, I've replaning on this show.

1010
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: It's even worse upon closer inspection. Sorry, what a week alright? Anyway,

1011
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: I love Michael shan Dugard. That guy gets it and

1012
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: he covers that team really well. So, uh he is

1013
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: you know where he is. Ricky's in the file. He'll

1014
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: be coming back in return. When Pete Carroll and John

1015
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: Schneider are swept out of the building a year from now.

1016
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: Could happen al right, before we go, let's just get

1017
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: caught up on the news of the day. Uh, Mary

1018
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: kay Cabot not on the show this week. Tony Grossi

1019
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: got the call and Cessler was the booker on that.

1020
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: Just uh parts that absolutely do not if you're listening

1021
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: anyone at all, do not take any of that as factual.

1022
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: That is anac. It was funny though that I built

1023
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: consensus around Uh if I build. Anyone wants to know

1024
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: how this show works, I can I well, it worked

1025
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: differently though I thought I was interested. It worked differently

1026
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: this week. Dan highly efficient. Is that what I would like?

1027
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: Dan nominated you, He said, Mark, this is a big

1028
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: moment for you. It was almost like and he was like,

1029
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: you are going to be in charge of book make

1030
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: the choice. You were saying, don't build consent, just make

1031
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: a machine. And we had a guest about ninety minutes later. No,

1032
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: you did great, And I thought Tony was great. But

1033
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: let's not let's not bend it his fiction that you

1034
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: didn't make the call. Well, let's say that I knew

1035
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: potentially that Mary Kay had this report that we're about

1036
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: to discuss coming up, and we'll talk to her next.

1037
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: Mark is the equivalent of like the middle manager who

1038
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: never wants to make any decisions. I don't want to

1039
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: anything charge of anyone. Let's say that of it well,

1040
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: and I love I love you for this Mark. One

1041
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: of my favorite markis ms in a text is whenever

1042
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: we're like planning things for the show, about once a

1043
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 1: week there will be a mark text that just says, Greg,

1044
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: bend me, shape me. Well that that that also, you know,

1045
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: not from your Guys musical era, So it's a catch. Well,

1046
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: it is not sometimes the easiest gaggle of individuals to

1047
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: suggest ideas among but West and I had We often

1048
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: use that as a code term because it was just

1049
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: like drag us to the show and then when the

1050
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: lights go on we perform. It's it's messed up the

1051
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: balance here because now you're the only one being Well,

1052
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: that's the thing I stand out shape where yeah, well,

1053
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 1: I think West and I were think about what would

1054
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: happen if we all had that mindset though, we wouldn't

1055
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: be here. But you cannot have four people battling. We

1056
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: already every show already is about eighty to nine text

1057
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: So it's like, do you want me to add another

1058
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Speaker 1: eighty or ninety Where I'm trying to think the show

1059
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Speaker 1: is successful. I think it is. It is. It's that

1060
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: it's mentioned to show building behind the scenes that plays

1061
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: a major role in the success and the audience we've built.

1062
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: I I would like to say that it's much more

1063
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: along with that that like some people, when you know,

1064
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: when that little light goes on, that's when you start

1065
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: to operate. There will be yeah, that's right. There will

1066
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: be a time, let's say, you know, anywhere between one

1067
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: and ten years or now, where those texts don't have

1068
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: been as much and we all show up when the

1069
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: red light turns on, and then the show will nose dives.

1070
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: How about have me have me host a show from

1071
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: A to Z this offseason. I'll do all the work

1072
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: and we will see what the product is. The product

1073
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: will be spicy. No one week, whole week. Give me

1074
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: a month. Other people have a month. I'm not mad.

1075
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually we're in day and tell me the news. Oh,

1076
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: we're still doing news. Mary Kay Cabot, who got snubbed

1077
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: snubbed by Mark Seil on the show this week, UM

1078
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: reports that the Browns have Derek Carr on their radar.

1079
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: We mentioned that earlier, but that's where the reporting came from. That.

1080
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: Mary Kay says, you know the Browns who are laying

1081
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: in the weeds here. We talked obviously with Grossy and

1082
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: said it seems like they're at some some point we

1083
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: need to believe the Browns when they say that Baker

1084
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: is their guy this year, Derek Carr. Would you rather

1085
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: have Derek Carr Kirk Cousins. By the way, Mark, that's

1086
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: a tough in the vacuum, who would you rather have?

1087
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: I would I would probably take Derek Carr based on

1088
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: what I thought he did this past season and with

1089
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: an organization into I want neither. It's like you would

1090
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: have to The thing about that why those are annoying

1091
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is they're just good enough where you would probably

1092
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: have to give him a new contract that paid him

1093
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty two million dollars no interest. I

1094
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: don't know, it's an easy answer. I think Derek Carr

1095
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: has been getting better. I think he's better than Baker.

1096
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: I think he's better than Kirk Cousins. And I think

1097
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: the whole like paint by numbers, Derek Carr doesn't create

1098
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: on his own. Maybe he doesn't use his athleticism as

1099
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: much as very safe. That's kind of perfect for Kevin Stefanski.

1100
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: That's like the Kyle Shanahan type of guy. So the

1101
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: fact that they're interested, I think there's something here. I

1102
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: think there's something here, and I would if I was

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00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: a Browns fan. I think that is a big enough

1104
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: upgrade that I'm and what do what do the Raiders do? Then?

1105
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: If that's maybe they would be interested in given Baker,

1106
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: it's a shot here on on his fifth year. And

1107
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: and you mentioned that Josh mheals fascination right, and he's

1108
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: a little more stated. I don't you know, he's a

1109
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: little to me, Baker is not that pain by them.

1110
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: If there was gonna be a great Baker career, I

1111
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: don't know. If it's in a like go one to

1112
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: be every one to two with your permissions, every every

1113
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: play has a right answer on it, and you should

1114
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: do that right answer. That's what I want out of

1115
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: my Kyle Shanahan a little mechanical. That's not Baker. I

1116
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: could see Baker in a Raiders uniform too. When I

1117
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 1: heard Rex say, if I'm a Browns fan, I'm excited

1118
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: about Derek Carts like I am a Browns fan, And

1119
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how a Browns fan feels about I.

1120
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: I just I guess I'm more excited than than how

1121
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: does it feel? Lyall Collins active trade talks around the

1122
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: offensive line the tackle for the Cowboys. Rap Sheet reports

1123
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are looking at deal the tackle. No

1124
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: deal is imminent at this time, according to the Pro

1125
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: Football Network, but the Cowboys, as we talked about earlier

1126
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: this week, are in a lot of captive stress right now.

1127
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: And if they move uh Collins, Uh, that's ten million

1128
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: dollars off the books. He's a good starting player. It

1129
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: just as a reminder a lot is going to happen

1130
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: in the next five or six days, especially on the Cowboys.

1131
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: Lawrence Cooper, Tyrann Smith, Lyle Collins like these guys are

1132
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: up for grabs. Oh, by the way, Connor Williams, who

1133
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: was a starter for them, is I don't think it's

1134
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: going to be resigned, and it was their starting guards.

1135
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: So usually if these reports get out there, that's usually

1136
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: a sign he's gonna be an ex cowboy. I have

1137
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: a feeling this is just a gut feeling to Marcus

1138
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Lawrence calling their bluff and saying like I'm not taking

1139
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: pig up. They were like, actually, okay, we're gonna keep

1140
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: you still, Like I I think they're gonna make room

1141
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: and just keep to Marcus Lawrence because and maybe Lyle

1142
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: Collins is one way to do that. And finally, some

1143
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: notable cuts players that are entering uh the open market.

1144
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: The Lions cut a former splashy free agent signing in

1145
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers after three years, Landon Collins and the Commanders

1146
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: part ways after a huge contract a few years ago

1147
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: as well. And Roger Saffold is also out um a

1148
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: guard who is falling off a little bit and now

1149
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: he opens hits the open market. Any of these guys,

1150
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: while I assume at least two of them Greggy are

1151
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: entering the top one hundred, only one Trey Flowers will

1152
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: no Landon Collins. Collins was the one hundred and seventies

1153
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: second ranked safety out of a hundred and six safes

1154
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: under and seventies six safeties a year ago. He's like

1155
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: a safety that can't cover, and he played linebacker and

1156
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: made some good All three of these guys got monster

1157
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: market setting deals at one point. Trey Flowers just got

1158
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: caught in a regime change where he doesn't fit that scheme.

1159
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: But he he he, and he's been hurt a decent amount.

1160
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: But I can imagine a Patriots like team or the

1161
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: Raiders giving him some good money. He's in the top

1162
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: one was like one twelve and so that was right

1163
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: at the spot. It is like, do you write the

1164
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: little rite up now, you know? And uh, lastly on

1165
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: Roger Staffold, who was on the Titans, he tweeted on

1166
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: last week that Bad Bunny is the greatest concert I've

1167
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: ever been to. Just a little note there, little peek

1168
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 1: behind the curtain that he's not just a football player.

1169
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: He's a man, and he's a man who likes music,

1170
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: especially music from Bad Bunny. Do you have any hip

1171
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: hop recommendations? Greg? I know, uh that lit up your

1172
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Christmas tree when I teed up Michael Sean Dugarder. No,

1173
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just, I'm old. I'm I'm just what is

1174
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: up with you? You're not you don't strike m as

1175
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: a guy that would struggle do I just bringing it

1176
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: up as uh, you know, way to make everyone feel uncomfortable.

1177
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: But even only like six months ago, you were heavily

1178
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: into this, into that musical scene. Why have you? Why

1179
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: suddenly are you now? Is it not accessible to you? No? No,

1180
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: I I do, but I don't have any like new

1181
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: hot things got you? Bad Bunny Born Benito Antonio Martinez Accacio.

1182
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean Bad Bunny's big time. He's probably playing Madison Square,

1183
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: huge artist, huge, huge, huge. All right, Ricky, anything else? Now?

1184
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: I think you guys really nailed it. So is this

1185
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: like the last time we see you for a week

1186
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: and a half or something? Oh yeah, yeah, this time

1187
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: next week I will have my tot at the metrics

1188
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: from last year. She said, what is literally the most

1189
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: downloaded week of the entire year of the Around NFL podcast?

1190
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: Because I want to miss that? Is it? Free agency? Producer?

1191
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Really right there? It's it's similar to like a big

1192
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: regular season Ricky. And let's go over the ground rules

1193
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: again of this ill time vacation. It is bad news

1194
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: um behind the scenes, unless somebody comes back with a

1195
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: ring on their fingers. Okay, So that's the one and

1196
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: then you can't. And there's also no shenanigans here. If

1197
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: there is no ring shared from one partner to the other,

1198
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: you must come back hat in hand on the show

1199
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: and apologize for missing the free agency. And if if

1200
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: you come back with a ring or Jet comes back

1201
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: with a ring, I don't know how it works, then

1202
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: we will not scold you both have rings? Well, also, Erica,

1203
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: have you if Eric has not purchased a ring, you

1204
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: don't know produced I don't know, Reduce, why would they

1205
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: both have a ring? By the post of my wife,

1206
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: I didn't get a ring until I was married. I know,

1207
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: but we don't know. Because men get to go out

1208
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: in the club when they're engaging, not have rings on

1209
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: their fingers. It's stupid, but you are. You are in

1210
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: a gay romance. If there is a gay romantic novel,

1211
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: if I understand what thing it changes anything when the

1212
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: engagement happens, you don't both come back with rings. Sometimes

1213
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 1: sometimes two parts. Shut up, I'm asking the gay woman. Yeah,

1214
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: Greg answer, just say and you can do whatever you want. Erica, actually,

1215
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: don't speak, Greg, tell me what happened two gay women

1216
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: get engaged. I'm just I'm making fun of you just

1217
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: being like, all right, let's see her. That's it's very

1218
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: important again, let's see what happens. Yes, we're a little

1219
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: bit older. It's important. You're playing catch up a little bit,

1220
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: and you're trying to learn about these other sides of

1221
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: the world. And I'm asking Erica, whose boots on the ground?

1222
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: Not Greg boots not on the ground? Yo ground? Yeah? Well, okay,

1223
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: so it depends, um a lot of it, Like it

1224
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: does depend but a lot of times there is one person.

1225
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: But a lot of times because gay couples are better

1226
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: than straight people. And I'll just say that because that's fact. Um,

1227
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: sometimes they both proposed at the same time and not

1228
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: know the other one was going to do it, so

1229
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: that it does seem she thinks she's coming back with

1230
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: a ring, or that she's bringing a ring. All right,

1231
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: how about this one more caveat. Definitely not gonna be

1232
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: an issue that nobody has a ring. We're gonna we're

1233
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: gonna toast you if you are engaged when you come back,

1234
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: if you if you're thinking it's going to be a

1235
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: dual proposal, and she doesn't do it, and then you

1236
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: do it and she says no, just let us know privately,

1237
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: and then we won't scold again and will have happened

1238
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: in your life. Yeah, I'm not going to be showing

1239
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: up the week after a free agency if she says no,

1240
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: and I'm staying in Camcoon and never. I don't doubt

1241
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: on any level that we would, absolutely that would find

1242
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 1: a way to become a discussion point on this show.

1243
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: Let me remember when Jet dumped you that ring. Once

1244
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: the initial hurt stay passes, it's all areas, all right,

1245
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: let's go, Ricky, enjoy your trip, good luck with everything,

1246
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: um and we'll be back on the television side tomorrow Friday.

1247
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: Make sure you DVR it or however you get your

1248
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: traditional television. It's up to you. You guys are old.

1249
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you know. Moved the

1250
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: little liars on top of full week shows on Monday.

1251
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: Tell the kid to walk up and just turn that dial.

1252
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: Get those bunny ears, full show, full week of shows

1253
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: for free agency in the start of a new league year.

1254
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: Uh so be there for that until then. This is

1255
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: Dan hansis signing up for the whole gang Banito Antonio

1256
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,919
Speaker 1: Martinez a cons he the call