WEBVTT - Ridley Scott 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.720 You were listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair, 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:05.840 like knowing. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.080 Where you were when you heard a song you love, 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:10.800 where you were when you shared a meal with one 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.960 of your children, or where you were when you discovered 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.160 a painting that stayed with you forever. I know where 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.919 I was when I saw Blade Runner London, Thelma and 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:25.200 Louise Harris, and Napoleon a few months ago in l A. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.720 I also know that I was in this room in 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.360 the River Cafe three years ago, writing to Ridley Scott 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.159 and asking him to be my first guest for this 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.600 idea I had for a podcast about food and memories. 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.240 Ridley wrote back, saying, yes, Ruthie, but I'm directing Gucci. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.839 A year later, Yes, Ruthie, but I'm directing Napoleon. A 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.479 year later, Yes Ruthie, but I'm directing the bee Gees. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.520 Then a few days ago, sitting in the River Cafe 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.240 garden with his family celebrating the night Grand Cross he'd 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.760 been awarded at Windsor Castle, he drew a beautiful drawing 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.319 on the wine list with the words Ruthie, how about 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:09.160 next Tuesday. In preparation, his son Jake and I met 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.399 to talk about his father, how he exposed him to 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:16.920 every food possible, cheese with maggots and sardinia, steps in 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.760 the door, doin on the set of Duellists, and the 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.640 magical experience of producing wine at their vineyard, Mars Day 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.600 and Fermiere. Like knowing where you were when you saw 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.600 a movie. I know that in years to come I'll 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.720 remember exactly where I was Hammersmith when I sat with 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.319 Ridley Scott talking about food and memory, food and family, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.039 food and wine, food and love. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:47.520 Yes, Ridley, thank you, and answer that I'm honored. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.600 We would love you to read The recipe for. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:58.640 Asparagus an anchovy buttered with parmesan rynch dry and roughly chopped. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.840 The anchovies in a bowl, Mixed together the answes with 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.520 lemon juice and black pepper, and with the fork mixed 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:10.840 the butter. Boil the esparats in salted water until tender. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:16.480 Drain season and drizzle with olive oil. Place the asparagus 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.760 on warm plates, Spoon over the anchovy butter and scattered 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.959 with parmesan shavings, and my jaw is dripping the salagra. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.760 You know I used to come by here the famous 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.560 Italian dish, which is the funny little piece the. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:34.880 Farinata. 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.400 No, no, it's like a soup. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.400 Oh yeah, the task of bean soup, cannellini bean soup. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.560 Yeah. So I got so taken with it now every 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.640 time I drive past her pop in for lunch and 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.200 the guy said, I know what you want. You want 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.680 to yes, please? And then eventually the chef, because I 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.920 had two bowls and the chef said, you really like 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.320 this stuff? I said, yeah. I said, what's the secret? 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.079 Because I wish I was a cook. You said, it's 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.480 pretty simple to bring out to the boil said, he said, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.040 and I take one carrot, chop the carrot, drop it 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.120 into that. Don't overcook it. I said. One of the 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.919 black pieces, He said, that is the secret. Is that 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.639 as a bit of black cabbage cavalodera. He says, there 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:17.359 you got it. I said, to kind of have another bowl. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:22.720 It's a very simple look says everything about Tuscany. It says, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:26.840 you know, beans, olive oil and the cabbage and that's it. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.160 You know. I'm from the North of England and it 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.440 took a long time for me to discover my mother 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.200 was a good cook. But we were as a child, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.400 we were on rationing warriors. So my mother made the 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.960 most of what she could. And the thing I used 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.200 to love most was mince and dumplings in the mince, Okay, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.040 I love that. Or she made something what she called 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.200 beef olives. It was cheap beef slender bead which she'd 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.240 roll into into it. Something in the middle was magic. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.600 So my mom always bread and us always good food, 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.400 but very plain. Then I'm at college, and at college 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.400 you can't afford very much. At also there was no 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.880 restaurants and near the world comes you were. And I 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:13.800 then became known pretty fast. I got to advertising, and 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.200 I went off like a bolt of lightning, and suddenly 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.279 I had money to spend because of good restaurants, and 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.960 like other places in the world, can be expensive, right, 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.400 And so at that time there was this big, fashionable, 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.040 small restaurant in Kings were called Alvaro, and right there, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.080 for the first time in my life, had tested what 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.120 it was called kim at the heading of Italian Tarazza 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.279 food and Alvara, did you have a messing? 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.320 I think he came here right when we opened in 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:43.640 the ages. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:49.560 And then Alvara then evolved really fast and became very faster. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.240 With like white tiles, and they not in the. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.520 Place was tiny, and he moved so quickly, evolved so quickly. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:01.320 He owned a club, discotheque and restaurant just across the road, 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.719 down the street, and in there would be the Rolling Stones, 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:09.240 Paul McCartney, even Warren Beatty. I started eating there regularly 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.120 because I could afford to it. That's where I came 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.880 across Protruter and things and the magic of Pastor. The 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:19.120 story is he got so successful the mafia approaching them 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.560 wanted a piece. They scared him off. He stopped completely 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.120 and then open years later in a restaurant at World's 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:30.200 End in Chelsea, San Lorenzo. I'm known for years and 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:36.800 years and years Mora and Mara. They were Sardinian and 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.039 so on their advice, I had one of the best holidays. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:45.960 I went up the coast to a small village that 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.040 some Italian prints had built, like a fake fishing village, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.640 and we enjoyed the sud Indian food like. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.040 That where Jake told me that you bought the cheese 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.919 and you took it home and it had maggots in it, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:58.760 that's right. And then you took it back and the 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.000 man said, that's what it's supposed to. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:05.200 Yes, but I but I also love the sud Indian wine. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:06.520 I kind of like the food. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.240 Yeah, I like the food. I like the food from 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.880 do you have Potargah? You have that fish roll? Every 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.160 and every everything may. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.680 But then the evolution into America, I tend to lean 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:22.400 towards Italian cuisine always. I don't know why it's the most. 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.240 Maybe it's simple. If you like that bean soup it 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.120 has three ingredients, you know, simple. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:30.880 And I don't like hamburger. I tend I tend to 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:35.800 know as as i've got older, towards being nearly vegan. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:42.680 Yeah so, but I like curries. When I was at college, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:47.880 the cheapest restaurant near me was Indian, and i'd go 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.960 in there there. I discovered that they're very careful about 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.320 what meat they have, the vegetable use it, and the 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:54.440 food was great. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.280 Because let's go back to your parents. Your mother and 0:06:58.320 --> 0:06:59.120 her cooking. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.240 I always remember cooking was really excellent. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.360 And would your brothers Tony and Frank and you would 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.440 meal times be very important, would you? 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.440 Well? He liked her food, and she liked the fact 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.160 that we liked her food, and it tended to be 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:17.360 Stew's whatever. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.080 You lived in Germany as well? Do you remember that 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.200 at all? Living in Germany and eating Germany? 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.520 Nineteen forty seven, ninety fifty two, my dad became important 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.360 in Germany. So my dad the end wasn't acting brigadier general, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.080 and he was there for the Marshall Plan, and he 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.640 was initially involved in D Day and designing something called 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.240 Maulberry Harbor, which is how we got all the truths 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.559 in the Normandy landing. So when forty seven came around, 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:48.200 he said the war ends. September forty five, he said, 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.680 we're going to Germany. And I was ten, and I 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.800 love the idea of that. And we went to Hamburg first. 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.680 Hamburg was as if we dropped the hydrogen box. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.400 I was going to say it was it completely. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.120 It was like we dropped an h BOM. And then 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.440 we worked there. He worked there briefly and said, I'm 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.800 now going to south to Frankfurt and Mainz and'll be 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.320 working in Eisenhower's office at the Eager Farm building. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.160 Do you remember food there? Did you remember? 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.000 You know? Here's where it comes. He said, I'm going 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.280 to show you something going to like He took me 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:27.000 and my frank Tony was about to be born, and 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.080 he took me to the American p X, which of 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.520 course is a supermarket. I didn't know what that was, 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.320 and i'd been on rationing. He said, this thing is 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.400 called a soda fountain, he said, and the guy the 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.520 hat that he's the soda jerk, he said, I advised 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.880 that you have a Raspbey milkshake. He said, Oh, by 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.720 the way, do try that coca cola. How well were 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:53.719 you ten? So I got hooked on coca cola when 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.040 it was in the glass bottle, on the small glass bottle, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.360 and I'd do six bottles a day. To me, I 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.880 still got one. And so in there was Hamburger, and 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.080 it was the American food in the American way of life. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.120 So there was no immersion into Germany. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.480 No. I loved what I saw because everything is shiny 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:16.160 and large, and the supermarket apples that are redder than 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.760 in snow white, right, and they eat him their. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.439 Tasteless just bigger. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:23.400 That's bigger. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:24.959 Yeah, the taste doesn't matter, but. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.040 You know, we got I didn't get over that for 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:28.880 a while because I was very impressed by the American 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:29.439 way of life. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.560 And then you came back to England. In England and 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.480 then and then we settled down, it was rationing, still going. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.000 No, no, no, that was over then, but my dad had 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.040 to Suddenly the war is over and all these guys 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:45.040 who enjoyed the high ranking positions suddenly joined the real 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.640 world and get a job. So my dad ended up 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.680 getting a job in soccer on Tees north of England, 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.960 and we were there for the next eighteen years. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.400 Were they excited that you were going to the Royal College? 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.240 Were they you're there to be artist? Where they were? 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:05.360 No? Because I traveled so much with my father as 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:10.960 a army officer, growing to become a high ranking person. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:16.400 I did ten schools, so I was academically inept in 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.360 those days. Parents would say you'll catch up. Of course 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.960 we never did because you moved foot one school to 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.559 the other. Teachers don't care, and teachers that time in 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.800 my generation hated the pupils and the pupils hated the teacher. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:30.560 But you knew you could draw. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.040 I did nothing but draw three years old. I will 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:42.680 draw you in three seconds. Okay, all right, okay, and 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:43.880 there you got. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.440 It, Ruthie, Oh pick up, thank you. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:54.240 And so what happened was when I came to this decision, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.320 what do I do University of what my dad said, 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.680 go to art school. He did. He said, you go 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.560 to our school. Do what you'd love to do. Draw 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.320 He said, you'll probably be an art teacher. Be an 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:04.880 art teacher. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.040 You were thrust into the world of London as you 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:13.480 were describing the world of artists and art and Indian 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.439 food and different cultures and abilities. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.240 But the Royal College eventually really opened me up because 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:21.600 I'm on You're on your own. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:22.880 Did you have money? 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.120 No, there was no grants. So I'd work taskin I'd 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:32.520 lay runways out concrete. I'd work in ICI Imperial Chemical Industries, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:38.439 where I'd packed night shift dry cold it drives from 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:42.679 the ammonia plants. And I'd do post office work every. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.959 Christmas and then go to school every day. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.200 And then that they were the holidays. Now save that money. 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.600 It would enable me to then my dad at that 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.679 time would be on the magic salary of twenty five 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.720 pounds a week. People can't believe that, and the magic 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.600 salary of twelve hundred pounds a year. When I started BBC, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.840 I started on a salary should take more than my 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.679 father earned his lifetime. So I started BBC as a 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:21.280 designer Tormentazia twelve hundred. Yeah, and believe it, you breakfast, so. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.439 That food again, going back to that culture, if you 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.320 couldn't afford to eat out, but you could eat it. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.520 You discovered Indian restaurants and probably Greek. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.560 And I was good with bad cook yourself. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.480 Yeah, you would, so you knew what good food was 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:33.520 and you wanted to eat it. 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.719 I think if I want to, I'd be a good 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:42.240 chef because it's about being precise. It's also having a 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:43.559 good sense of taste. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.080 Just say, if you want to eat well and you 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.800 can't afford it, you have to learn to cook. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.600 Yeah. And so even when I was in West Horleypool 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.800 Arts School, there would be the day and then i'd 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.560 have night school. There'd be a two hour gap. So 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.520 instead of getting fish and chips and go to the 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.240 local shop and buy good cheese, some good bread and 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.280 go and have half a pint of cider, that's a meal. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:15.000 But it was selective, selective, Yeah, and I never ate badly. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:19.280 As students, you didn't know. I mean a mom made 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.719 sure of that. She said do this, do that, and 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.439 make sure you don't and she did. You don't eat 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.080 wonder loafs and stuff like that. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.200 That's it. What did you educate your children that way 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:28.559 as well? 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.080 Do you think I didn't have to do? There? All 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.920 great they are. The Jake is almost professional cook. Yeah. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.520 When he came to see me the other day, we 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.640 sat and he was he just bought red mullet, and 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.679 so we had a long conversation of how he was 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.559 going to cook the red mullet, whether to grill it, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:43.240 whether to do it. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:44.400 He's really good and. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:45.320 He was serious cook. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.280 And his daughter and look is a serious cook. 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.200 And your granddaughter she Cuba apparently, is going to come 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:53.120 and cook with me here. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.040 You'll be in shock. She's so clever. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.720 Yeah, so you so. And the women that you married, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:00.560 did you? Did you? 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:07.040 My first wife was mother Austrian, and that's why when 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.120 I was eighteen I was wooing my wife would be 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.600 my first wife. Eighteen nineteen twenty I went to the 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.080 Royal College and I'd go up. She lived in this 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.040 town called peter Lee in the north of England, just 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:25.080 north of Holeypool. Her mom was Austrian. It's the first 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.960 time I tasted garlic and I thought, God, the garlic 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.000 is wonderful, and I go home. My mom said, what's 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.400 that terrible smell? Are you even garlic? And that's how 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:36.520 it was introduced to garlic. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.400 So she cooked and then she was a. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.520 Very good girl. And I didn't say that. My mom 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:46.640 actually better, may be married well, and Felicity could always cook. 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.760 So Felicity was the mother of Jacob. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:50.760 Yeah, he said. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.840 From that she the all evolved. They could both call. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.080 The River Cafe, cafe, steps away from our restaurant, is 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.840 now open in the morning an Italian breakfast with cornetti, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.200 chiambella and cristada from our pastry kitchen. In the afternoon, 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.080 ice cream coops and River Cafe classic desserts. Come in 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.240 the evening for cocktails with our resident pianist in the bar. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:32.480 No need to book see you here. In advertising, you 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.960 were making building a company. So was were you like 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.320 in mad Men? With you the sort of Don Draper 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.200 of lon Did you have long martini lunches and no 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:44.280 bar infice? 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.720 We opened the office in London and it took off, 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.880 and then I opened an office in Paris and it 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:51.520 took off. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.440 Did you eat well in Paris? Yeah? 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:59.080 I love preferred Then I don't know what happened to Paris. Now, Yes, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.240 Paris then there were a lot of brasseries, either because 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.480 it was fresh and new to me because I really 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.920 enjoyed the French cuisine at that point. I'm not sure 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.200 I enjoy it as much now. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.080 There's still a very strong culture of food in France. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.400 You know, you can get into a taxi cab and 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.320 the guy will tell you how to cook a sea bass. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:21.840 Yeah, but I think there is. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.840 It's probably changing, but I think there is. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.400 But didn't things kind of slightly modernize and I noticed 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.360 that the modernization of the French food is better than 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.400 the becomes more interesting when it's done properly, when they 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.320 lose all the saurces like that. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.520 Yeah, the world. We were just talking about the. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.080 Three ingredients a lot. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:41.960 There's a lot of and you have to you know, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:43.760 if you're going to have three ingredients, they have to 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:49.120 be really good, don't they. You know? Yeah, So you're 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.160 with Alan Parker and David Putnam. 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:56.680 We were so competitive, we weren't friends. It was highly competitive. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.000 And there used to be this thing called Monday Morning 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.720 Newcomers and I'd sit there with a cup of teena 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.600 cigarette and say, who did that? Adrian and I damn, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:10.000 who did that? Alan Parker? Damn? In reality at that 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:14.520 moment that the Alan Parker, Adrian Lyne and me, then 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.080 we were the leader of the pack. We all had 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:21.639 our own production company, were separate, absolutely in competition, and 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.000 so in the English advertising and they called the English 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:29.800 lights got leaked into France and leaked into America, so 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.600 that I shipped out Freaquent shooters commercials in America. And 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.879 that's to when I then opened an office in America. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.159 Agencies would come to you and say, yeah, they look 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:39.760 at the real what was it like? 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.720 If we can, we can talk about one ad which 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:46.200 was about Brett Food, so well, tell me about Hovis. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.080 Hovas was the companies said, we have a campaign a 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.359 series and look, I would look. I think I'm blessed 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.159 with a good eye. I have a very good eye. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.639 And while doing commercials, I discovered it's better to be 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:05.639 in a kitchen the chef can stir his own concoction. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.240 To me, it was better to operate. So I'm a 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.679 very good camera operator. So I did camera operated on 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.560 two and a half thousand commercials, everything handheld, the whole 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.280 goddamn nineer. So then when I do the duelist, that's 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.960 me on one camera. When I do Alien, that's me 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.040 on one camera. Later under me. So all this evolved 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:31.840 into the exercise and art of that, and photographing and 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.280 in advertising. We were so successful. That's a lot of 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.359 very good over the top lunches where we'd have it 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.840 and lunch bloody Mary followed by a bottle of wine 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:46.959 and go back to work, which is not a good idea. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:48.000 It doesn't work. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.679 Do you do that now? No, you said that you 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.000 made an advertisement like a feature film. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.199 The thirty second commercial I regard as a film, and 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.760 you could tell a big story in thirty seconds if 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.720 you don't what you're doing. I did Steve Job's first commercial. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.040 I know the Matt. 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.520 I met the agency. They came into the chair of paper. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.400 I said, George orwell at the end, he said, we're 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:12.159 going to show you how nineteen eighty four ain't going 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.679 to be like nineteen eighty four. I said, what is this? 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.040 Is it? What's the fau? They said, well, it's a computer. 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:20.920 So we don't talk about a computer. You don't show 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:21.320 a computer. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:21.480 No. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.160 I said, well, who's this girl running down a corner? Well, 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:31.840 that's freedom. She's being pursued by o'wellian threatening people. I said, oh, 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.480 it's George, okay, for what's it for? Computer? For what 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:42.960 domestic computer? I said to this was and Steve I said, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.639 what you need a computer? Right? Shopping list? What's the 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.320 matter of the pattern pencil? It just laughed. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:51.679 I was on a film set the other day and 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.720 George Clooney was there and Adam Sandler and they did, 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.920 you know, take after ten I've never been on it. 0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.480 Gave me a little part. Hint, hint, he gave me 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.680 a part in movie. So Ridley Ridley, Yeah, he gave 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.320 me a little part in his movie. So next time, Yeah, 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.639 a little Ruthie Rogers cameo. I said, not one word. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.560 But it was really interesting to see. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.520 I do two takes. Think about it. I'm casting a 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.119 good actor and he's got a script. He's had the 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.960 script for a month or two. He is, she has 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.879 prepared what she's going to do. There's nothing worse in 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.320 the morning. Then they walk in and the director starts 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.840 to talk about the meaning of life. They want to 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:34.560 just get on. 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.040 With it, and how are you on set? Is it? 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.360 Is it fun to be on a Ridley Scott movie? 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.560 I think I think they keep coming back. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.720 I'd like to talk about food in movies. So we 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:52.040 can remember Blade Runner and the noodles. They can remember Alien, well. 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.600 That was yeah, grain drive food. 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.520 So would you talk to me about movies and films? 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.720 Well, in making a movie is all to do with research, 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:06.440 and I have a great team, and so I've worked 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:11.560 with my costume designer, Janty since the first Gladiator, but 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.280 before that there were other costumes. Arthur Max I've worked 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:20.280 for he's the production designer since just after the timber Luiz. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:24.080 I've worked with different people and over the years it's 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:28.119 simply easier to take up rains of the people, you know, 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.600 because we are so fast. As I finish, I'm already 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:34.600 prepping the next one. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.480 Yeah, you're prepping Begs now. 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:40.520 Now yeah, I haven't quite delivered the Gladiators. So that's 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.000 for me's normal, but the means I mean, no, it's practical. 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:49.120 I hold onto the team, letting it go they're gone 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.720 and I need the team. Keeping my team makes me 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.399 more efficient and they like it because they never stopped working. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.920 And so when you're thinking about when you let's take 0:21:57.920 --> 0:21:59.880 one movie. Take a movie and talk to me about 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:01.560 the food in one of your movies. 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.720 Oh, alien would be one of people to eat in space. 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.359