1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: You were listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair, 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: like knowing. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: Where you were when you heard a song you love, 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: where you were when you shared a meal with one 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: of your children, or where you were when you discovered 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: a painting that stayed with you forever. I know where 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: I was when I saw Blade Runner London, Thelma and 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Louise Harris, and Napoleon a few months ago in l A. 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: I also know that I was in this room in 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: the River Cafe three years ago, writing to Ridley Scott 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: and asking him to be my first guest for this 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: idea I had for a podcast about food and memories. 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: Ridley wrote back, saying, yes, Ruthie, but I'm directing Gucci. 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: A year later, Yes, Ruthie, but I'm directing Napoleon. A 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: year later, Yes Ruthie, but I'm directing the bee Gees. 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: Then a few days ago, sitting in the River Cafe 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: garden with his family celebrating the night Grand Cross he'd 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: been awarded at Windsor Castle, he drew a beautiful drawing 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: on the wine list with the words Ruthie, how about 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: next Tuesday. In preparation, his son Jake and I met 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: to talk about his father, how he exposed him to 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: every food possible, cheese with maggots and sardinia, steps in 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: the door, doin on the set of Duellists, and the 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: magical experience of producing wine at their vineyard, Mars Day 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: and Fermiere. Like knowing where you were when you saw 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: a movie. I know that in years to come I'll 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: remember exactly where I was Hammersmith when I sat with 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: Ridley Scott talking about food and memory, food and family, 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: food and wine, food and love. 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: Yes, Ridley, thank you, and answer that I'm honored. 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: We would love you to read The recipe for. 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: Asparagus an anchovy buttered with parmesan rynch dry and roughly chopped. 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: The anchovies in a bowl, Mixed together the answes with 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: lemon juice and black pepper, and with the fork mixed 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: the butter. Boil the esparats in salted water until tender. 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: Drain season and drizzle with olive oil. Place the asparagus 37 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: on warm plates, Spoon over the anchovy butter and scattered 38 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: with parmesan shavings, and my jaw is dripping the salagra. 39 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: You know I used to come by here the famous 40 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Italian dish, which is the funny little piece the. 41 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: Farinata. 42 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: No, no, it's like a soup. 43 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the task of bean soup, cannellini bean soup. 44 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I got so taken with it now every 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: time I drive past her pop in for lunch and 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: the guy said, I know what you want. You want 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: to yes, please? And then eventually the chef, because I 48 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: had two bowls and the chef said, you really like 49 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: this stuff? I said, yeah. I said, what's the secret? 50 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: Because I wish I was a cook. You said, it's 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: pretty simple to bring out to the boil said, he said, 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: and I take one carrot, chop the carrot, drop it 53 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: into that. Don't overcook it. I said. One of the 54 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: black pieces, He said, that is the secret. Is that 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: as a bit of black cabbage cavalodera. He says, there 56 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: you got it. I said, to kind of have another bowl. 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: It's a very simple look says everything about Tuscany. It says, 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: you know, beans, olive oil and the cabbage and that's it. 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: You know. I'm from the North of England and it 60 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: took a long time for me to discover my mother 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: was a good cook. But we were as a child, 62 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: we were on rationing warriors. So my mother made the 63 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: most of what she could. And the thing I used 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: to love most was mince and dumplings in the mince, Okay, 65 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: I love that. Or she made something what she called 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: beef olives. It was cheap beef slender bead which she'd 67 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: roll into into it. Something in the middle was magic. 68 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: So my mom always bread and us always good food, 69 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: but very plain. Then I'm at college, and at college 70 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: you can't afford very much. At also there was no 71 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: restaurants and near the world comes you were. And I 72 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: then became known pretty fast. I got to advertising, and 73 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: I went off like a bolt of lightning, and suddenly 74 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: I had money to spend because of good restaurants, and 75 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: like other places in the world, can be expensive, right, 76 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: And so at that time there was this big, fashionable, 77 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: small restaurant in Kings were called Alvaro, and right there, 78 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: for the first time in my life, had tested what 79 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: it was called kim at the heading of Italian Tarazza 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: food and Alvara, did you have a messing? 81 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: I think he came here right when we opened in 82 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: the ages. 83 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: And then Alvara then evolved really fast and became very faster. 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: With like white tiles, and they not in the. 85 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: Place was tiny, and he moved so quickly, evolved so quickly. 86 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: He owned a club, discotheque and restaurant just across the road, 87 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: down the street, and in there would be the Rolling Stones, 88 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, even Warren Beatty. I started eating there regularly 89 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: because I could afford to it. That's where I came 90 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: across Protruter and things and the magic of Pastor. The 91 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: story is he got so successful the mafia approaching them 92 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: wanted a piece. They scared him off. He stopped completely 93 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: and then open years later in a restaurant at World's 94 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: End in Chelsea, San Lorenzo. I'm known for years and 95 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: years and years Mora and Mara. They were Sardinian and 96 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: so on their advice, I had one of the best holidays. 97 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: I went up the coast to a small village that 98 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: some Italian prints had built, like a fake fishing village, 99 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: and we enjoyed the sud Indian food like. 100 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: That where Jake told me that you bought the cheese 101 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: and you took it home and it had maggots in it, 102 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: that's right. And then you took it back and the 103 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: man said, that's what it's supposed to. 104 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Yes, but I but I also love the sud Indian wine. 105 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: I kind of like the food. 106 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the food. I like the food from 107 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: do you have Potargah? You have that fish roll? Every 108 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: and every everything may. 109 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: But then the evolution into America, I tend to lean 110 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: towards Italian cuisine always. I don't know why it's the most. 111 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: Maybe it's simple. If you like that bean soup it 112 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: has three ingredients, you know, simple. 113 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: And I don't like hamburger. I tend I tend to 114 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: know as as i've got older, towards being nearly vegan. 115 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah so, but I like curries. When I was at college, 116 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: the cheapest restaurant near me was Indian, and i'd go 117 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: in there there. I discovered that they're very careful about 118 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: what meat they have, the vegetable use it, and the 119 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: food was great. 120 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: Because let's go back to your parents. Your mother and 121 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: her cooking. 122 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: I always remember cooking was really excellent. 123 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: And would your brothers Tony and Frank and you would 124 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: meal times be very important, would you? 125 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: Well? He liked her food, and she liked the fact 126 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: that we liked her food, and it tended to be 127 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: Stew's whatever. 128 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: You lived in Germany as well? Do you remember that 129 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: at all? Living in Germany and eating Germany? 130 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Nineteen forty seven, ninety fifty two, my dad became important 131 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: in Germany. So my dad the end wasn't acting brigadier general, 132 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: and he was there for the Marshall Plan, and he 133 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: was initially involved in D Day and designing something called 134 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Maulberry Harbor, which is how we got all the truths 135 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 1: in the Normandy landing. So when forty seven came around, 136 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: he said the war ends. September forty five, he said, 137 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: we're going to Germany. And I was ten, and I 138 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: love the idea of that. And we went to Hamburg first. 139 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: Hamburg was as if we dropped the hydrogen box. 140 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: I was going to say it was it completely. 141 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: It was like we dropped an h BOM. And then 142 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: we worked there. He worked there briefly and said, I'm 143 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: now going to south to Frankfurt and Mainz and'll be 144 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: working in Eisenhower's office at the Eager Farm building. 145 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: Do you remember food there? Did you remember? 146 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: You know? Here's where it comes. He said, I'm going 147 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: to show you something going to like He took me 148 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: and my frank Tony was about to be born, and 149 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: he took me to the American p X, which of 150 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: course is a supermarket. I didn't know what that was, 151 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: and i'd been on rationing. He said, this thing is 152 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: called a soda fountain, he said, and the guy the 153 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: hat that he's the soda jerk, he said, I advised 154 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: that you have a Raspbey milkshake. He said, Oh, by 155 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: the way, do try that coca cola. How well were 156 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: you ten? So I got hooked on coca cola when 157 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: it was in the glass bottle, on the small glass bottle, 158 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: and I'd do six bottles a day. To me, I 159 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: still got one. And so in there was Hamburger, and 160 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: it was the American food in the American way of life. 161 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: So there was no immersion into Germany. 162 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: No. I loved what I saw because everything is shiny 163 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: and large, and the supermarket apples that are redder than 164 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: in snow white, right, and they eat him their. 165 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: Tasteless just bigger. 166 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: That's bigger. 167 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, the taste doesn't matter, but. 168 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, we got I didn't get over that for 169 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: a while because I was very impressed by the American 170 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: way of life. 171 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: And then you came back to England. In England and 172 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: then and then we settled down, it was rationing, still going. 173 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: No, no, no, that was over then, but my dad had 174 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: to Suddenly the war is over and all these guys 175 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: who enjoyed the high ranking positions suddenly joined the real 176 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: world and get a job. So my dad ended up 177 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: getting a job in soccer on Tees north of England, 178 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: and we were there for the next eighteen years. 179 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: Were they excited that you were going to the Royal College? 180 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: Were they you're there to be artist? Where they were? 181 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: No? Because I traveled so much with my father as 182 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: a army officer, growing to become a high ranking person. 183 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: I did ten schools, so I was academically inept in 184 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: those days. Parents would say you'll catch up. Of course 185 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: we never did because you moved foot one school to 186 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: the other. Teachers don't care, and teachers that time in 187 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: my generation hated the pupils and the pupils hated the teacher. 188 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: But you knew you could draw. 189 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: I did nothing but draw three years old. I will 190 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: draw you in three seconds. Okay, all right, okay, and 191 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: there you got. 192 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: It, Ruthie, Oh pick up, thank you. 193 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: And so what happened was when I came to this decision, 194 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: what do I do University of what my dad said, 195 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: go to art school. He did. He said, you go 196 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: to our school. Do what you'd love to do. Draw 197 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: He said, you'll probably be an art teacher. Be an 198 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: art teacher. 199 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: You were thrust into the world of London as you 200 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: were describing the world of artists and art and Indian 201 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 2: food and different cultures and abilities. 202 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: But the Royal College eventually really opened me up because 203 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm on You're on your own. 204 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: Did you have money? 205 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: No, there was no grants. So I'd work taskin I'd 206 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: lay runways out concrete. I'd work in ICI Imperial Chemical Industries, 207 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: where I'd packed night shift dry cold it drives from 208 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: the ammonia plants. And I'd do post office work every. 209 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 2: Christmas and then go to school every day. 210 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: And then that they were the holidays. Now save that money. 211 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: It would enable me to then my dad at that 212 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: time would be on the magic salary of twenty five 213 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: pounds a week. People can't believe that, and the magic 214 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: salary of twelve hundred pounds a year. When I started BBC, 215 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: I started on a salary should take more than my 216 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: father earned his lifetime. So I started BBC as a 217 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: designer Tormentazia twelve hundred. Yeah, and believe it, you breakfast, so. 218 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: That food again, going back to that culture, if you 219 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: couldn't afford to eat out, but you could eat it. 220 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: You discovered Indian restaurants and probably Greek. 221 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: And I was good with bad cook yourself. 222 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you would, so you knew what good food was 223 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: and you wanted to eat it. 224 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 1: I think if I want to, I'd be a good 225 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: chef because it's about being precise. It's also having a 226 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: good sense of taste. 227 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: Just say, if you want to eat well and you 228 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: can't afford it, you have to learn to cook. 229 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so even when I was in West Horleypool 230 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: Arts School, there would be the day and then i'd 231 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: have night school. There'd be a two hour gap. So 232 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: instead of getting fish and chips and go to the 233 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: local shop and buy good cheese, some good bread and 234 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: go and have half a pint of cider, that's a meal. 235 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: But it was selective, selective, Yeah, and I never ate badly. 236 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: As students, you didn't know. I mean a mom made 237 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 1: sure of that. She said do this, do that, and 238 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: make sure you don't and she did. You don't eat 239 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: wonder loafs and stuff like that. 240 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 2: That's it. What did you educate your children that way 241 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 2: as well? 242 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: Do you think I didn't have to do? There? All 243 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: great they are. The Jake is almost professional cook. Yeah. 244 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: When he came to see me the other day, we 245 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: sat and he was he just bought red mullet, and 246 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 2: so we had a long conversation of how he was 247 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: going to cook the red mullet, whether to grill it, 248 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: whether to do it. 249 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: He's really good and. 250 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: He was serious cook. 251 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: And his daughter and look is a serious cook. 252 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: And your granddaughter she Cuba apparently, is going to come 253 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: and cook with me here. 254 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: You'll be in shock. She's so clever. 255 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you so. And the women that you married, 256 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: did you? Did you? 257 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: My first wife was mother Austrian, and that's why when 258 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: I was eighteen I was wooing my wife would be 259 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: my first wife. Eighteen nineteen twenty I went to the 260 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: Royal College and I'd go up. She lived in this 261 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: town called peter Lee in the north of England, just 262 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: north of Holeypool. Her mom was Austrian. It's the first 263 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: time I tasted garlic and I thought, God, the garlic 264 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: is wonderful, and I go home. My mom said, what's 265 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: that terrible smell? Are you even garlic? And that's how 266 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: it was introduced to garlic. 267 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: So she cooked and then she was a. 268 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: Very good girl. And I didn't say that. My mom 269 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: actually better, may be married well, and Felicity could always cook. 270 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: So Felicity was the mother of Jacob. 271 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said. 272 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: From that she the all evolved. They could both call. 273 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: The River Cafe, cafe, steps away from our restaurant, is 274 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: now open in the morning an Italian breakfast with cornetti, 275 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: chiambella and cristada from our pastry kitchen. In the afternoon, 276 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: ice cream coops and River Cafe classic desserts. Come in 277 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: the evening for cocktails with our resident pianist in the bar. 278 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: No need to book see you here. In advertising, you 279 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: were making building a company. So was were you like 280 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: in mad Men? With you the sort of Don Draper 281 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: of lon Did you have long martini lunches and no 282 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: bar infice? 283 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: We opened the office in London and it took off, 284 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: and then I opened an office in Paris and it 285 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: took off. 286 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: Did you eat well in Paris? Yeah? 287 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: I love preferred Then I don't know what happened to Paris. Now, Yes, 288 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: Paris then there were a lot of brasseries, either because 289 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: it was fresh and new to me because I really 290 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: enjoyed the French cuisine at that point. I'm not sure 291 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: I enjoy it as much now. 292 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: There's still a very strong culture of food in France. 293 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: You know, you can get into a taxi cab and 294 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: the guy will tell you how to cook a sea bass. 295 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think there is. 296 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: It's probably changing, but I think there is. 297 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: But didn't things kind of slightly modernize and I noticed 298 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: that the modernization of the French food is better than 299 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: the becomes more interesting when it's done properly, when they 300 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: lose all the saurces like that. 301 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the world. We were just talking about the. 302 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: Three ingredients a lot. 303 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: There's a lot of and you have to you know, 304 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: if you're going to have three ingredients, they have to 305 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: be really good, don't they. You know? Yeah, So you're 306 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: with Alan Parker and David Putnam. 307 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: We were so competitive, we weren't friends. It was highly competitive. 308 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: And there used to be this thing called Monday Morning 309 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: Newcomers and I'd sit there with a cup of teena 310 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: cigarette and say, who did that? Adrian and I damn, 311 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: who did that? Alan Parker? Damn? In reality at that 312 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: moment that the Alan Parker, Adrian Lyne and me, then 313 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: we were the leader of the pack. We all had 314 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: our own production company, were separate, absolutely in competition, and 315 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: so in the English advertising and they called the English 316 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: lights got leaked into France and leaked into America, so 317 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: that I shipped out Freaquent shooters commercials in America. And 318 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: that's to when I then opened an office in America. 319 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: Agencies would come to you and say, yeah, they look 320 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: at the real what was it like? 321 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: If we can, we can talk about one ad which 322 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: was about Brett Food, so well, tell me about Hovis. 323 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: Hovas was the companies said, we have a campaign a 324 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: series and look, I would look. I think I'm blessed 325 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: with a good eye. I have a very good eye. 326 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: And while doing commercials, I discovered it's better to be 327 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: in a kitchen the chef can stir his own concoction. 328 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: To me, it was better to operate. So I'm a 329 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: very good camera operator. So I did camera operated on 330 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: two and a half thousand commercials, everything handheld, the whole 331 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: goddamn nineer. So then when I do the duelist, that's 332 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: me on one camera. When I do Alien, that's me 333 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: on one camera. Later under me. So all this evolved 334 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: into the exercise and art of that, and photographing and 335 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: in advertising. We were so successful. That's a lot of 336 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: very good over the top lunches where we'd have it 337 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: and lunch bloody Mary followed by a bottle of wine 338 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: and go back to work, which is not a good idea. 339 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. 340 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: Do you do that now? No, you said that you 341 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: made an advertisement like a feature film. 342 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: The thirty second commercial I regard as a film, and 343 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: you could tell a big story in thirty seconds if 344 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: you don't what you're doing. I did Steve Job's first commercial. 345 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: I know the Matt. 346 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: I met the agency. They came into the chair of paper. 347 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: I said, George orwell at the end, he said, we're 348 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: going to show you how nineteen eighty four ain't going 349 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: to be like nineteen eighty four. I said, what is this? 350 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: Is it? What's the fau? They said, well, it's a computer. 351 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: So we don't talk about a computer. You don't show 352 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: a computer. 353 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: No. 354 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: I said, well, who's this girl running down a corner? Well, 355 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: that's freedom. She's being pursued by o'wellian threatening people. I said, oh, 356 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: it's George, okay, for what's it for? Computer? For what 357 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: domestic computer? I said to this was and Steve I said, 358 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: what you need a computer? Right? Shopping list? What's the 359 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: matter of the pattern pencil? It just laughed. 360 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 2: I was on a film set the other day and 361 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: George Clooney was there and Adam Sandler and they did, 362 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 2: you know, take after ten I've never been on it. 363 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: Gave me a little part. Hint, hint, he gave me 364 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: a part in movie. So Ridley Ridley, Yeah, he gave 365 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: me a little part in his movie. So next time, Yeah, 366 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: a little Ruthie Rogers cameo. I said, not one word. 367 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: But it was really interesting to see. 368 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: I do two takes. Think about it. I'm casting a 369 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: good actor and he's got a script. He's had the 370 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: script for a month or two. He is, she has 371 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: prepared what she's going to do. There's nothing worse in 372 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: the morning. Then they walk in and the director starts 373 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: to talk about the meaning of life. They want to 374 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: just get on. 375 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: With it, and how are you on set? Is it? 376 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 2: Is it fun to be on a Ridley Scott movie? 377 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: I think I think they keep coming back. 378 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to talk about food in movies. So we 379 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: can remember Blade Runner and the noodles. They can remember Alien, well. 380 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: That was yeah, grain drive food. 381 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: So would you talk to me about movies and films? 382 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: Well, in making a movie is all to do with research, 383 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: and I have a great team, and so I've worked 384 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: with my costume designer, Janty since the first Gladiator, but 385 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: before that there were other costumes. Arthur Max I've worked 386 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: for he's the production designer since just after the timber Luiz. 387 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: I've worked with different people and over the years it's 388 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: simply easier to take up rains of the people, you know, 389 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: because we are so fast. As I finish, I'm already 390 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: prepping the next one. 391 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're prepping Begs now. 392 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Now yeah, I haven't quite delivered the Gladiators. So that's 393 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: for me's normal, but the means I mean, no, it's practical. 394 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: I hold onto the team, letting it go they're gone 395 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: and I need the team. Keeping my team makes me 396 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: more efficient and they like it because they never stopped working. 397 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: And so when you're thinking about when you let's take 398 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 2: one movie. Take a movie and talk to me about 399 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: the food in one of your movies. 400 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: Oh, alien would be one of people to eat in space. 401 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: It would have to be dried food. It would have 402 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: to be water that somehow you generate from condensation in 403 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: the ship? Is there conversation in the ship? There is now, 404 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: because Harry Dean Stanton died in a landing leg group 405 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: was dripping with water. So I made that up to 406 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: that was old bullsher. You'll say, what is a conversation 407 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: from what you said? Well, you know, And I also 408 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: by then you've learned to absorb your chemeras from your 409 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: own body, which would be turned in reconsumption. Now in space, 410 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: that packaging is edible. So all the packaging is light, 411 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: but it's there to be cooked. And actually, Martian to 412 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: me is one of my favorite recent films in a 413 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: way because it's a comedy in a way because Fox accommodis, yes, 414 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: a comedy. Why well, anybody survives by eating their own ship, 415 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: it's got to be good. You're right, okay, So, but 416 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: I think it was such a blow by blow logical 417 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: piece of science, and yet it was amusing. I thought 418 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: it worked perfectly. It's good, good form, he said to me. 419 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: Squeeze Matt Matt Damon, you said with tomato ketchup, I 420 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: love tamato ketcher. You just said, you said, should have 421 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: borded more ketchup because he was living on potatoes, so 422 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: you had to eke out the ketchup the potatoes and ketcher. 423 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: Why is why are potatoes so marvelous? 424 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: I will let you answer that question. 425 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: Well, there can be chips, cream potatoes, bad potatoes. It's 426 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: no one is a marvelous staple. It's a great food, 427 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: isn't it? 428 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: And the food is Gladiator? What did they eat? 429 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: Eggs, chicken, grain? But if you are upper class, it's 430 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: another story. You have what you want eating everything from probably, 431 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: and I think probably the challenges were healthier than the bread. 432 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: Who would eat hung meat, which is rotting without vegetables 433 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: because they didn't like vegetables. 434 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: Do you think about food when you wake up in 435 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: the morning, and do you think about what you're going 436 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 2: to eat that day? 437 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: Plan? It's I got blueberries, cherries, breakfast with Greek yogurts, expresso, 438 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: that's it. And lunch lunchtime protein with salad. Evening only 439 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: vegetables and vegetables cooked in some clever way. I like 440 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: curried vegetables. 441 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: How long have you been on this regime? Ten years? 442 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: And it works? 443 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: It's good you're still here. I do drink after dinner. 444 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't drink with dinner. 445 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: But when you go to a restaurant, do you break 446 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: the rules? 447 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: No? No, I tend to stick with the rule book. Yeah. 448 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: And when you try, well, do you think about that 449 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: right now? Where are you shooting? The beaches? 450 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: Oh? Probably the beach A lot of time in England. 451 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: I've got to do Miami. 452 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: What's your favorite beg song? 453 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: Massachusetts? 454 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: If you like listening to Ruthie's Table four, would you 455 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 3: please make sure to rape and review the podcast on 456 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get 457 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 3: your podcasts. 458 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, Ridley. Most people with the success you've had 459 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: might have bought penthouse, apartment in Central Park, a fabulous yacht, 460 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: but you bought a chateau. And I'm making award winning wine. 461 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 2: So I just thought, before Christophe and Melina come in, 462 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: both some ayas from the river cafe, you could tell 463 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 2: me why did you do this? 464 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: My gluten for punishment and I liked to evolve, and 465 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: I bought I had a farm in the Costle years ago, 466 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: and I loved it to death for ten years, but 467 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: it always rained, so the kids got bored and wouldn't 468 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: go down, and I got into horses in a big way. 469 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: I had sheep, so we sold it, and I always 470 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: missed that farm. And then I then did a film, 471 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: The Duelists. I experienced the door done, and I loved 472 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: that part of France, and I thought, but the door 473 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: Durne rains as well. Then I really missed it. And 474 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: so eventually twenty thirty two years ago, I decided I'm 475 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: going look for sun for sunshine, and I started looking 476 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: anywhere beneath Leon and I made fun of the trip, 477 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: and somebody was looking for me, and then took about 478 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: six months. Is one day I was in the camp 479 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: Film Festival and it calls it. I think I've got it, 480 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: So I drove the two and fifty kilometers there and 481 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: I bought it by lunchtime. And because I've known by now, 482 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: I've had big houses and medium sized houses, big houses 483 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: of pin and that you do not need twelve bedrooms. 484 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: And so this is a man which is a smaller sized. 485 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: It's not a chateau. 486 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: How many acres of vineyard do you have well. 487 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: He had actually eleven hectors, and I discovered later years 488 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: that it belonged to General Robert of the Napoleon Army, 489 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: and that was his house and his vineyard. I was 490 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: buying his eleven hector. And when I was buying it, 491 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: the people when you're looking for house, people who usually 492 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: died or they getting divorced. The couple getting divorced, they've 493 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: done quite good things to what is already a bit 494 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: of a gem, like stone floors and double glazing, but 495 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: matching the windows the way they should be. So I 496 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: bought it, and from that I did know what to 497 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: do with the eleven hectors. So I got a local 498 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: calf to say, we'll take it out as long as 499 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: you keep the venue on neat. I don't want to 500 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: do wine, as long as it looks chronically neat, and 501 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: I drive in and looks like a garden. Good. And 502 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: so they did a good job until after four years 503 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: they caught and said, we've just got a gold in 504 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: a Paris following you. He said, we've got to gold 505 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: and a silver on this for the wine in Paris. 506 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: And so the guy who was kind of giving me 507 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: advice to that moment, my lovely Uncle Denny Long said, 508 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, suddenly we should and your grape is way 509 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: better than you and imagined he said, I think we 510 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: should try and take it back. So we took it 511 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: back and there we have the reverse of where we 512 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: went to. So suddenly I had to get involved in 513 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: this science of making wine. And I love it. 514 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: And what is the science of making wine? 515 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: It's precision. Everything's precision, and everything's taste, and so it 516 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: is personal. I think it's personal. So in the funny 517 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: kind of way, wine making is as creative as making 518 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: a movie. All right. 519 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: So we're here in the River Cafe dining room and 520 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: we're doing a wine tasting of Ridley Scott's wine. I 521 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: think we should start by the white wine. We try 522 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: the wine just before, just to open the wine. 523 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's they are very fresh. There's a lot 524 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: of freshness on the wine. Yeah, very elegant, yes, and yeah, 525 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's lovely. I stole a great vintner from 526 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: a very elevated car in France. I want to say where. 527 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: And he now, he is the man who puts all 528 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: this stuff that crystal barrel, and he puts all the 529 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: he blends everything right, and so he said, describe the 530 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: kind of white we're looking for, And I said, I 531 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: tend to always drink for a quick kind of knee 532 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: jerk reaction, and say, what do you want to say? 533 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: A Pinot grisio or salt because in the funny kind 534 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: of way, the simple wine, simple white wine, I find 535 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: the French red white can get shabbies can get heavy, 536 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: the show can get heavy, and I don't like heavy wine. 537 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: That was that. 538 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: I think that's one point meant love drinkability. 539 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 4: Straight away, What do you say the wine? You get 540 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 4: this lovely freshness and then you get this beautiful like 541 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 4: lime flower notes, you know her base show's nose almost 542 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: like asparagus. You know it just it just feels like summer. 543 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 4: You like, yes, I love it works perfectly. It's in fact, 544 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 4: aspargus is a very difficult dish to pair with wine, 545 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: and it's like so many a nightmare like such things 546 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 4: like also to pair with art chalks as well, it's 547 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 4: quite difficult. And I agree with Chris said, the acidity 548 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 4: is lovely. You have this freshness, so it's not you know, crashing, 549 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 4: crushing the dish. So I think it's really a good compliment. 550 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: And shall we move on to the Yeah. 551 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: The roses is one of our biggest outputs. It's retracted 552 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: a bit. Why is that because there's too many bad roses? 553 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: Just the first time teaching the rose it's very proven, 554 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: very pale. 555 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 4: Yes, I think you know the roses, especially because you know, 556 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 4: like it's a great and a perry tip glass of wine. 557 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 4: But I can see prepairing so many kinds of dishes 558 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 4: like car patches style of food, or like lobster salad 559 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 4: or anything that's fresh and seafoody. 560 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: I just think it's delightful. We talk about food as 561 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: creating a movie. We talk about food is growing grapes 562 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: for wine. We talk about food is your children. In Sarginia, 563 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: we also talk about food is comfort. So when you 564 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 2: need comfort, even within the plan that you have, is 565 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: there something cheese? 566 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't take chocolate, I don't have sweets. 567 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: I love cheese, okay, any particular type. 568 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: All of it. But you know, the king would be 569 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: probably still did you grow up with that good cheese? 570 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: Will always assumed and the Americans both struck Turbot boadshow 571 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: don't quite understand cheese. And but in Beverly Hills right now, 572 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: there's a very good cheese. 573 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: There's a good well, I remember there was one on. 574 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's moved to as Evolved two Little Santa Monica. 575 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: It's really good. But I do love cheese cheese. 576 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: All right, well let's go have some cheese. We have 577 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: some cheese before you. 578 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: Go French, Have you got the French? 579 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: And we have some very good Italian. 580 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: Cheese. 581 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: Very with your wine. 582 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Ridley Scott, thank you, thank you for listening 583 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair