WEBVTT - Ep. 28: Adam Foss 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:09.080 Hey, everybody, welcome episode number unt Collective. I've been O'Brien 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:14.280 and this week joined by none other than Adam Fosse. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.959 And why should you know Adam foss Well, there's a 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.840 ton of reasons. Uh. He is renowned in my mind. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:27.040 He's a renowned filmmaker, a renowned photographer, one of the 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.639 best mountain hunters you'll ever meet, and one of the 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.600 best sheep hunters you'll ever meet, denoted by the fact 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.640 that he was the youngest sheep hunter ever get the 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.320 Grand Slam with a Bow. I believe he was twenty 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:45.720 four years of age, which is ridiculous. He came from 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:51.159 an ultimate mountain hunting badass family raised now Alberta, and 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:52.760 he's got a lot of stories to tell about hunting 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.080 with his dad and his brother and what that means 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.480 to them, their connection that led to his connection with 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.920 the hunting community, how that's changed his life and being 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.759 a part of my generation somebody I feel is my peer. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.160 Adam also has a lot of insight on on how 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.920 he can do better going forward and what the hunting 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:17.680 community can benefit from the future. So, without further ado, 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:40.880 my friend Adam fo Hey, buddy, any how you doing good. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.160 Now are you. I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. We're 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:49.160 currently in Montana and we're drinking beer from the apple 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:54.680 named four oh six Brewing Company. Yes, Sarah here in Bozeman. Um, 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:56.960 I like it? Do you like it? I really like it. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:02.800 I like the kind of a hoppy floral. Yeah. Describe 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.880 the notes as you if you were to like hoppy 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.600 and flora. There's a little bit of citrus in there, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.560 nice and light. You know, summer is kind of coming 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.120 to an end, and it's reminding me, it's bringing me back, 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.480 it's bringing me back to summers. Drank at all before 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:24.080 the podcasting, so I like to I like to make 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.360 sure everybody knows how much we're drinking, and if we're 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.360 drinking during these podcasts. Um, I feel like if you're 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:35.000 drinking while you're listening at the same sort of rate, yeah, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.040 you're just tracking along with Yeah. So if you have 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.079 a growler at home, you'll have to at this point, 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.640 you'll have to chug it to almost the bottom and 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.200 then you'll be right where we are and you'll be 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.079 feeling pretty good about life. Um, welcome back to Bozeman. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.480 Thank you, sir. You're a Canadian though full blooded, full 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:56.200 blooded Canadian. That's right. Trying to think of the Canadians 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.480 I've had on the podcast to see who see how 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.000 we can match the momp. Now we've had one Shane 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:08.760 Mahoney on the Shane Mahoney, Shane Mahoney. Who else? Adam 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:13.440 Yankee very well, I called Jankie for a long time, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.920 so he corrected me. But you only were saying that 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.480 over email, so you couldn't tell you no I on 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:23.200 the podcast, because yes, because that's how I roll. I'm 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.360 still a Rednecks regardless of how I do this, and 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.760 I think that that might be it number three, the 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.119 third Canadians. I'll take it. Little known fact Adam and 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.360 my myself are in the same town up in British Columbia, 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.720 Colonal Colonna, British Columbia being the Montana of the North. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.920 I think in terms of honeying opportunity, in terms of mountains, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:51.160 public lands fishing, it's a pretty good comparison. Yeah. I mean, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.720 you have every game species you ever want to chase. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.800 Basic white tails they're there, meal deer they're there, black 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:06.000 bear yeah, grizzly bear don't hunt them though anymore. The elk, Yeah, 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:14.480 two kinds sheep, three kinds, goats, one kind, moose, one kind. Yeah, 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.520 I guess there's some shyris down the southeast corner. I think, yeah, 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:23.920 is there a caribou, there is bison, Yeah, wild horse, 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.679 lots of wild horses. Yeah, you cannot those cats species. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:34.440 Got some mountain lions, bobcats. I think that's most of everything. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.400 Some of the best fisheries in the world, that's right. Yeah, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.400 And you've got you've got black tails, You've got smule deer, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.960 got white tails. There's a lot going on. There's a 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:50.200 lots going on, and I feel h I feel jealous. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.719 But now that I'm leaving to Monteina, this is my 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:57.200 first week in Monsana, and I see the people talking around, mean, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.000 they talk like in a language that I've never heard before. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.760 Or but there's these shared resources, but you can all 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.200 go and hunt. There's all kinds of game species running around. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.320 Everybody talks about it like, oh my god, we have this. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.320 Have you been up? I have been up to the the castles, 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.719 you know, White Creek, even up Black Creek, been up 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.120 Great Creek. I don't know whey of these places are creek? 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.320 You have been up Bear Creek? I don't know where 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.320 any of these places are, but it sounds like we 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.919 can all go there and do the thing we like 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.680 to do. So I'm glad that you live in British 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.880 Columbia and you're only not far from here, I mean 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:31.520 drive across the board ten hours. Yeah, we're not too far. Um. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:35.320 We share a little bit of border and and a 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.360 lot of similarities. Yeah, there's a lot of similarities, a 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:42.400 lot of differences, and lots of lots of land to 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.320 roam free. Like you said, it is a novel concept 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:45.960 to be able to do the things that we do 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.920 and trying to take it, take it for granted. On 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.000 when it comes to species in BC and you think 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.240 about coming down below the fort lower Fort, eaton the 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.400 opportunity I just hunt a mountain goat and sheep and 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.240 just rolling through town today and running into a bunch 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.040 of friends. How many years to take you to draw 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:08.919 that tag? None? And just yeah over the counter to 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:15.000 the counter, the sheep counter, that's right. Yeah, So yeah, 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:16.760 he tried try to not take it for granted because 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.960 it is a pretty fantastic opportunity and and one that 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:22.800 growing up doing it and doing it now and in 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.839 my adulthood. It is, uh, it is pretty special. Yeah, 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.440 I think there's a perspective that gets lost. And you know, 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.200 every everybody that haunts her fishes and and comes to 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.560 love it. You know, they have their own perspective, right, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.880 Whitetail hunters. A lot of people hunt out of their backyard. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.760 They hund the back forward, hunt on the farm, on 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:48.240 the ranch, whatever. But that's all they have, you know. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.279 Everybody's like the purview of a regular hunter is pretty small, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.120 right look around you. You have certain opportunities in certain places. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.520 Come in place like this or coming place in British Columbia, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.520 and all of a sudden your vision is iden and 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.039 the opportunities are endless. And you could buy a combo 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.920 license in Montana and if you hunted your ass off, 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.560 never fill all the tags, which I've been told a 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.560 few times, and it just doesn't. I mean, there's no 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.920 way to get that perspective unless you come here and 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.800 you see the people and you're like, these people don't 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.480 know what they got? What if they do know what 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.040 they got? You know, it's it's it's hard unless you've 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.240 lived other places and seeing other things. So no, especially 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.560 in British Columbia. I've always you know, in my past 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.640 magazine editor jobs, it was always the best hunting destinations. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.480 What what are they British Columbia one, two, three, whatever 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.920 the number, But it's up there. That's up there, and 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.000 um and you grew up where exactly I grew up 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:49.080 in Alberta. So the province east of BC straight north 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.680 from here, right north of us all the same species, yeah, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:57.200 a lot of the same species, um and a little 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.720 bit different geography. So bcs set up where huge portion 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.560 of the population is all centered around the U. S. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.000 Canada border in Vancouver, and then when you go north, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.600 it gets a lot less, um densely populated, so you 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.680 can really kind of get into some areas where not 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.880 a lot of people are getting in Alberta sort of 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.440 it's similar, but a lot of the good sheep countries 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.200 right down south and southern Alberta. Um, so a lot 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.560 of different areas for big corn sheep and the area 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.280 that I grew up hunting archery zone, a lot of 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.320 that good stuff is a bit closer to the city 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.480 of Calgary in the city Edmonton, so kind of populations 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.920 of a million people in each of those cities are 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.720 over You've got the Rockies runn right through there. It's beautiful. Yeah. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.800 I mean you get the Edmonton bow Zone where everybody's 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.679 killing stick in big Bucks right there. Exactly. Yeah. I've 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:44.199 spent a lot of time hunt in that province. It's 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:49.720 a great province. Yeah. Yeah, that part of Canada is beautiful. Um, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.520 describe your upbringing. I mean, I know, I know there's 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.400 a it's I want to say, hunting rich. Is that right, sir? 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.280 I mean your dad is a badass, badasses when it 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.240 comes to sheep on, so give me a rundown. Yeah, 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.400 And I think I just grew up following along. I 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.880 don't know. Do you have siblings? I do. I have 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:12.120 an older brother, right, just one? And would you follow 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.400 in his footsteps and look up to him? Yeah, of course, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.520 of course. Yeah I had to. Yeah, I had no choice. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.560 But yeah, I mean there's a certain age I think 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.839 there's a certain age range where you know, you just 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.080 you gravitate towards that. I mean, it's it's the thing 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:28.760 that you know, it's the things in front of you 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.280 all the time. So yeah, but then you break off 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.280 at some point, hopefully and do your own thing. Yeah exactly. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.200 And so I don't know if I really consciously made 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.520 the decision to to hunt. As much as it was, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.319 I was just had a bow in my hand, and 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.240 I was shooting gophers and killing skunks and doing all 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:47.960 that dumb stuff you do as a kid. Because my 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.600 brother was doing it, my dad was doing it, and 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.440 followed them everywhere. Um, and for us, it was just 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.760 one of those things that we love doing, we love 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.720 being outside. But it was all is just a foundation 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.280 of our relationship. And I told people, a lot of 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.840 people can sit on a coach and watch TV with 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:13.600 their dad every Sunday. I watch football and have dinner 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.679 and and go to movies and live life and seemingly 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.079 have a great relationship. And I'm not saying there's anything 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:24.439 wrong with that, but there's level of depth and richness 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:28.800 that only comes when, or is only enhanced when you're 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.439 doing it outside and you're doing it together. And I 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.000 think that I haven't lived in the same place as 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.560 either of those guys since I was eighteen off to college, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.640 and both have been able to maintain those relationships just 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.959 because I think that hunting is such a big part 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:47.840 of it. And maybe not even hunting, um, you know, fishing, camping, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.160 being outside. Just that part of being able to connect 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.679 with somebody, even for a small period of time, makes 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.160 it last. And and some of my my greatest friendships 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.520 are with people that might start in that set and 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.400 no matter what, if you can get back to those 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.080 places with those people, it, uh, it always seems to 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:11.920 rekindle it. Yeah, I mean, you know as well as 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.000 I do. There's there's this level of connection, right. I 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.880 always try to describe it as there's experiences that are 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.680 exciting right in life. Football if so many scores a 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.880 touchdown on TV, that you may get excited, it's what 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.080 an amazing thing. But it's a two dimensional experience because 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.560 when that's over, what do you get from it? You 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.439 get the high, you get the you know, you're excited 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.760 for the thing that happened on the television. Very much 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.040 the same as riding a roller coaster. Who rather roller coaster? 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.800 Get off roller coaster? You got your high for the moment. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.160 But then so there's no residual effects from football in 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.080 your life, I would hope, unless you're in the stands 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:48.920 of getting drunk and you get arrested or there's no 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.520 residual effects from a roller coaster. But hunting in itself 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.679 is in my experience, is exciting and connective as anything 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.240 else you can do. But after the exciting part is over, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.160 there's this connective tissue with the food, of the experience, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.280 of the skills, of all the things that come with it. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.240 And so I say that about my relationship with my dad. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.240 This just like a three dimensional relationship to the point 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.680 where we have these moments that you can't you couldn't 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:22.160 recreate those moments. You couldn't recreate the experience of killing 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.920 an elk with your dad, and how that feels you 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.520 couldn't do it. And I think that's what a lot 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.240 of those two dimensionals experiences that are manufactured by society 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.360 you're trying to do, right, They're trying to recreate that 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.560 experience that you could have in the woods with your dad, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:40.880 and you had it with your dad and your brother, 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:46.360 which all the better for me. Super lucky, Yeah, super lucky. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.320 And I think that the other part of it is 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.360 you make those relationships and then that other residual effect 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.199 is sort of this. I've been thinking a lot about 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.680 sort of mental callousies that you've build on your brain 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.680 of what you can actually do, what you are capable 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.319 of and there's lots of ways to test yourself. You 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:12.319 can be an ultramarathon runner, or you can try a 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.800 new diet, or you can get into cross fit. You know, 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.160 you can get into different things that are sort of 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.720 these disciplines that require a lot of energy and focus 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:27.480 and commitment. But I think that hunting somehow makes it 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.800 sort of elicits this more deeper, primal, something that's a 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:37.120 little bit inside of you that triggers this notion of wow, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.320 I am capable of feeding myself, of traveling through the mountains, 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.319 of navigating, of getting out of a tough situation, of 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.560 cutting up an animal that I might not know necessarily 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.640 how to do that, but I can see the muscle groups, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.200 and I tell people that all the time, Well, how 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.640 do I know what to do? And when will I 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.600 understand how to do the gutless method on an elk, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.400 or or when to take five steps when I should 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.400 have only taken three. It's like, well, one experience, but 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.160 two you got the instincts were it's baked in and 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.520 it's something we haven't lost yet and I hope we 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:13.440 never do. But those hunting experiences always seem to you 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.880 just bring back a flood of of those skills that 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.360 you just didn't know you had it. And then you 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.400 get you get back from one of those experiences and 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.400 let alone be with your dad or your brother, just 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.000 somebody you never even met before, or somebody that you've 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.560 known all your life and never hunted with. And then 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.120 next time you see him, like the hugs a little 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.040 bits a little bit tighter, and the handshakes a little 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.600 bit firmer, and like the stories are a little bit funnier, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.560 and get to the point where like, man, I'm not 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.000 sure how we achieve this, but like the human connection, 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.880 Yeah we got that. Yeah we got that. And it 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.640 wasn't like we didn't go to a sporting event or 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.720 we didn't go golfing, or we didn't go well, we 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.840 went living like we lived together and experienced something that 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.600 you couldn't recreate anywhere else and ship. Now we have 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.760 this bond and I'm I describe before like walking in 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.000 trade shows and you have all these disparate like I 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.480 hunted sheet with that guy in British Columbia, I was 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.800 in why when I with that guy, But the feeling 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.120 is the same, right, you all experienced some real ship together. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.200 You know, and I imagine I hate to compare it 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.480 and this is that's an empty comparison a lot of ways. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.680 But you know, when I've had folks that were in 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.640 the military and they described the brotherhood of these experiences 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.240 bringing you together, it's not it's not that, but it's 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.640 some version of that ah that drives you and let 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.000 alone having that with your family, which I think is 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.840 even a way deeper version of that experience. Yeah, and 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.000 it's it's been really fun. I just got back from 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.520 a hunt with my wife and she grew up downtown Seattle. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.800 I took her first time she'd ever been in the mountains. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.720 She called it a tennis shoe summit to the top 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.600 of the mountain. I just want to stop, because the 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.920 first time I met your wife today, I heard a 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.040 lot about her. She had apparently heard a lot about me. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.280 I don't know that means um, but like she seemed 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:10.480 to be the most accepting wife of your hunting habits, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.400 which are pretty aggressive, to the point where she was 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:21.160 suggesting more. And I immediately thought, wow, okay, Adam Foss 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.240 could not have any other wife than this one right 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.720 over here, because not only did she like well, you know, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.720 that's those sounds are tough. We should do more of them, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:29.840 you know, if you can't, If you don't get a 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:35.000 RAM this year, we'll just go back. I'm thinking you've 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.560 done well. Yeah, she's pretty special. I think she just 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:44.560 knows how sort of the history with my family and 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.120 just what a big part of it it is for 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:54.240 me and probably what I'm like if I don't do it. Yeah, 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.400 my wife knows that part of me too. Get home 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.120 from one of them big trips, it's like it takes 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.280 you while to come back. Yeah, And where I was 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.280 going with it is that she didn't grow up doing 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.560 this stuff, and she has no barometer of what the 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.640 normal hunting experience should be. The first trip we ever did, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:17.000 it's probably eight years ago, and it turned into a 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.240 It was a through hike, lake to lake connecting it, 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:26.760 and it ended up turning into the sideways bush bash, 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.760 horrible weather. She was purple from the waist down from 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.440 all these willows and catching the floatplane just in time. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.280 The guy was doing one pass and picked us up 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.720 and it was one of those moments I'm never doing 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.600 that again in your own mind, in my mind too, 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.119 asking why do we do this stuff for her, it 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.560 was her first experience at it, and we're looking at 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.000 each other feeling the same thing, and and this floatplane 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.840 takes off off the lake and we look over our 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:58.479 right shoulder and we see this glacier and this whole 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.680 flat that we had just covered, and the valley that 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.399 we dropped into and skirted around really bearing three cubs, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.840 and all the goats that were dot in the mountainside. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.440 And as soon as that plane came off the lake 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.440 and we looked over, we both looked at each other 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.320 and it was if we wanted to just be right 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:17.719 back at that first, they can do it all over 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:24.159 again immediately. The bruises and the blisters hell instantly, and 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.320 we were hungry to get back up there. But I 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:34.040 thought you were like hungry for a pizza. Yeah, that too, definitely. 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:38.080 And so so that was one of her first experiences, 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.760 and it wasn't I didn't sort of, I didn't do 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.720 it strategically. We just she said, hey, I want to 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.520 go backpacking in this area, and I said, well, there's 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.840 goats there, and let's do a backpacking goat trip and 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:54.280 it'll be fun and it'll be fun. Hey. I didn't 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.840 strategically say Okay, well, I'm going to get her involved 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.119 in in some some white tail hunting and shell to 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.840 see some deer and then get here involved maybe on 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.199 a spotstock mule there hunt and then easier and it 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.560 was she kind of got thrown into the Yeah, he 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:14.399 had a baptism by fire well and in anybody who 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.480 you know that experience with your wife. You know, I 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.760 know you guys don't have kids, but some day maybe 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:25.040 like that'll make you better for that You'll have been 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.200 through something that it's freaking hard. And that's why I 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.639 hate to repeat myself with these fancy analogies. But I 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.560 like him, you know, I like, oh yeah, real big fan. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.000 People are listening to Pocks and be like, oh he 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.840 fucking likes this one. He's pulling it out again. But 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.720 if you think about were Cole Cranmer and I were 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.879 doing a podcast, you know, Cole well, and we were 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.639 just talking about these backhuntry experiences and kind of what 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.760 they do for your life, utility of the backhuntry experience, 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.679 and uh, we started talking about if if your life 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.720 was a knife life, the old life life, that just 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.760 the slog of daily society, the slog of the nine 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:11.840 to five the office, the the stress, the computer, the kids, 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:16.359 the thing that dolls the knife right, because it makes it. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.320 It makes it so life is just harder to go through. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.280 Like the challenges become bigger. Sitting in traffic becomes annoying, 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.639 you know that, like these first world problems become bigger 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.600 than what they really are. Then you go out in 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.520 the woods and you realize and you stay for it, 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.479 you know, like you you do for weeks on end, 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.480 and you overcome challenges like well, I gotta eat, but 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.080 I gotta go over there before I can. I gotta 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.280 go get water down the creek that ships, that's some 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.000 buch is a mile drop down, and then I gotta 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.280 come back up to camp. You start to sharpen that 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.879 freaking knife again, you know, because the hardest things that 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.520 you're doing, the sharper you are to do them. And 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.000 then when you come back to the real world, your 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.280 sharpest ship and you cut through life. It's easy. You know, 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.800 you're sitting in traffic these I don't gotta go down 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.320 and get water to creek mile down h so you're 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.800 not as frustrated with traffic or the sub shop taking 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.679 too long to make your sandwich or whatever. And that 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.160 perspective is valuable. And then you do that long enough, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.000 then you know, ife gets dollar and dollar and you 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.240 get more frustrated and more frustrated. Then you go back 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.080 to the wodness, sharpen that bitch up again and go 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.199 back at it. And that's what's very much like for me, 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.400 and that's where I'm sure you're like me. You get 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:21.879 back to the real world for a minute, you get 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.400 a little bit depressed because those challenges are less intense 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:30.200 and they're more surface. They just seem less important too. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:32.119 you know, you get see people getting mad about like 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.840 waiting in line for something. Dude. The only reason you're 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:37.520 mad about this because you don't have respective. You're not 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.600 sharp enough to just be like, funk this man, this 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:43.920 is fine. There's nothing compared to having a chop a 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:45.840 tree down, cut the wood up, make a fire, and 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.879 eat my dinner. Um, And what do you think about? 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.120 I find this too, where day by day you sort 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:58.280 of build this layer of immersion where the first day 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.000 you're kind of bopping around, You're going, I should be 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.560 in something or because I think that we are just 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.640 so stimulated right sitting right here, and we have these 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.159 phones and we have these Netflix shows and we have 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:15.199 just so much stimulis to treat us with and access 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:18.080 to everything. And I don't know when I get out there. 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.040 The first day or two or three, I'm finding myself 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.040 feeling like I should be doing something, I should be busier. 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:29.160 And I think that that kind of goes away after 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.879 a couple of days, and then it's just sort of traveling, 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.439 glassing here, thinking about where sheep might be, where are 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.240 we going to camp for water, mapping it out, thinking 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.360 about the clouds and way that they're moving, and when 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.600 weather is coming in, all those things, and you start 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:46.399