Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number unt Collective. I've been O'Brien
Speaker 1: and this week joined by none other than Adam Fosse.
Speaker 1: And why should you know Adam foss Well, there's a
Speaker 1: ton of reasons. Uh. He is renowned in my mind.
Speaker 1: He's a renowned filmmaker, a renowned photographer, one of the
Speaker 1: best mountain hunters you'll ever meet, and one of the
Speaker 1: best sheep hunters you'll ever meet, denoted by the fact
Speaker 1: that he was the youngest sheep hunter ever get the
Speaker 1: Grand Slam with a Bow. I believe he was twenty
Speaker 1: four years of age, which is ridiculous. He came from
Speaker 1: an ultimate mountain hunting badass family raised now Alberta, and
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of stories to tell about hunting
Speaker 1: with his dad and his brother and what that means
Speaker 1: to them, their connection that led to his connection with
Speaker 1: the hunting community, how that's changed his life and being
Speaker 1: a part of my generation somebody I feel is my peer.
Speaker 1: Adam also has a lot of insight on on how
Speaker 1: he can do better going forward and what the hunting
Speaker 1: community can benefit from the future. So, without further ado,
Speaker 1: my friend Adam fo Hey, buddy, any how you doing good.
Speaker 1: Now are you. I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. We're
Speaker 1: currently in Montana and we're drinking beer from the apple
Speaker 1: named four oh six Brewing Company. Yes, Sarah here in Bozeman. Um,
Speaker 1: I like it? Do you like it? I really like it.
Speaker 1: I like the kind of a hoppy floral. Yeah. Describe
Speaker 1: the notes as you if you were to like hoppy
Speaker 1: and flora. There's a little bit of citrus in there,
Speaker 1: nice and light. You know, summer is kind of coming
Speaker 1: to an end, and it's reminding me, it's bringing me back,
Speaker 1: it's bringing me back to summers. Drank at all before
Speaker 1: the podcasting, so I like to I like to make
Speaker 1: sure everybody knows how much we're drinking, and if we're
Speaker 1: drinking during these podcasts. Um, I feel like if you're
Speaker 1: drinking while you're listening at the same sort of rate, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just tracking along with Yeah. So if you have
Speaker 1: a growler at home, you'll have to at this point,
Speaker 1: you'll have to chug it to almost the bottom and
Speaker 1: then you'll be right where we are and you'll be
Speaker 1: feeling pretty good about life. Um, welcome back to Bozeman.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. You're a Canadian though full blooded, full
Speaker 1: blooded Canadian. That's right. Trying to think of the Canadians
Speaker 1: I've had on the podcast to see who see how
Speaker 1: we can match the momp. Now we've had one Shane
Speaker 1: Mahoney on the Shane Mahoney, Shane Mahoney. Who else? Adam
Speaker 1: Yankee very well, I called Jankie for a long time,
Speaker 1: so he corrected me. But you only were saying that
Speaker 1: over email, so you couldn't tell you no I on
Speaker 1: the podcast, because yes, because that's how I roll. I'm
Speaker 1: still a Rednecks regardless of how I do this, and
Speaker 1: I think that that might be it number three, the
Speaker 1: third Canadians. I'll take it. Little known fact Adam and
Speaker 1: my myself are in the same town up in British Columbia,
Speaker 1: Colonal Colonna, British Columbia being the Montana of the North.
Speaker 1: I think in terms of honeying opportunity, in terms of mountains,
Speaker 1: public lands fishing, it's a pretty good comparison. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have every game species you ever want to chase.
Speaker 1: Basic white tails they're there, meal deer they're there, black
Speaker 1: bear yeah, grizzly bear don't hunt them though anymore. The elk, Yeah,
Speaker 1: two kinds sheep, three kinds, goats, one kind, moose, one kind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess there's some shyris down the southeast corner. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: is there a caribou, there is bison, Yeah, wild horse,
Speaker 1: lots of wild horses. Yeah, you cannot those cats species.
Speaker 1: Got some mountain lions, bobcats. I think that's most of everything.
Speaker 1: Some of the best fisheries in the world, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you've got you've got black tails, You've got smule deer,
Speaker 1: got white tails. There's a lot going on. There's a
Speaker 1: lots going on, and I feel h I feel jealous.
Speaker 1: But now that I'm leaving to Monteina, this is my
Speaker 1: first week in Monsana, and I see the people talking around, mean,
Speaker 1: they talk like in a language that I've never heard before.
Speaker 1: Or but there's these shared resources, but you can all
Speaker 1: go and hunt. There's all kinds of game species running around.
Speaker 1: Everybody talks about it like, oh my god, we have this.
Speaker 1: Have you been up? I have been up to the the castles,
Speaker 1: you know, White Creek, even up Black Creek, been up
Speaker 1: Great Creek. I don't know whey of these places are creek?
Speaker 1: You have been up Bear Creek? I don't know where
Speaker 1: any of these places are, but it sounds like we
Speaker 1: can all go there and do the thing we like
Speaker 1: to do. So I'm glad that you live in British
Speaker 1: Columbia and you're only not far from here, I mean
Speaker 1: drive across the board ten hours. Yeah, we're not too far. Um.
Speaker 1: We share a little bit of border and and a
Speaker 1: lot of similarities. Yeah, there's a lot of similarities, a
Speaker 1: lot of differences, and lots of lots of land to
Speaker 1: roam free. Like you said, it is a novel concept
Speaker 1: to be able to do the things that we do
Speaker 1: and trying to take it, take it for granted. On
Speaker 1: when it comes to species in BC and you think
Speaker 1: about coming down below the fort lower Fort, eaton the
Speaker 1: opportunity I just hunt a mountain goat and sheep and
Speaker 1: just rolling through town today and running into a bunch
Speaker 1: of friends. How many years to take you to draw
Speaker 1: that tag? None? And just yeah over the counter to
Speaker 1: the counter, the sheep counter, that's right. Yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 1: he tried try to not take it for granted because
Speaker 1: it is a pretty fantastic opportunity and and one that
Speaker 1: growing up doing it and doing it now and in
Speaker 1: my adulthood. It is, uh, it is pretty special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a perspective that gets lost. And you know,
Speaker 1: every everybody that haunts her fishes and and comes to
Speaker 1: love it. You know, they have their own perspective, right,
Speaker 1: Whitetail hunters. A lot of people hunt out of their backyard.
Speaker 1: They hund the back forward, hunt on the farm, on
Speaker 1: the ranch, whatever. But that's all they have, you know.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like the purview of a regular hunter is pretty small,
Speaker 1: right look around you. You have certain opportunities in certain places.
Speaker 1: Come in place like this or coming place in British Columbia,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden your vision is iden and
Speaker 1: the opportunities are endless. And you could buy a combo
Speaker 1: license in Montana and if you hunted your ass off,
Speaker 1: never fill all the tags, which I've been told a
Speaker 1: few times, and it just doesn't. I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: way to get that perspective unless you come here and
Speaker 1: you see the people and you're like, these people don't
Speaker 1: know what they got? What if they do know what
Speaker 1: they got? You know, it's it's it's hard unless you've
Speaker 1: lived other places and seeing other things. So no, especially
Speaker 1: in British Columbia. I've always you know, in my past
Speaker 1: magazine editor jobs, it was always the best hunting destinations.
Speaker 1: What what are they British Columbia one, two, three, whatever
Speaker 1: the number, But it's up there. That's up there, and
Speaker 1: um and you grew up where exactly I grew up
Speaker 1: in Alberta. So the province east of BC straight north
Speaker 1: from here, right north of us all the same species, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of the same species, um and a little
Speaker 1: bit different geography. So bcs set up where huge portion
Speaker 1: of the population is all centered around the U. S.
Speaker 1: Canada border in Vancouver, and then when you go north,
Speaker 1: it gets a lot less, um densely populated, so you
Speaker 1: can really kind of get into some areas where not
Speaker 1: a lot of people are getting in Alberta sort of
Speaker 1: it's similar, but a lot of the good sheep countries
Speaker 1: right down south and southern Alberta. Um, so a lot
Speaker 1: of different areas for big corn sheep and the area
Speaker 1: that I grew up hunting archery zone, a lot of
Speaker 1: that good stuff is a bit closer to the city
Speaker 1: of Calgary in the city Edmonton, so kind of populations
Speaker 1: of a million people in each of those cities are
Speaker 1: over You've got the Rockies runn right through there. It's beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you get the Edmonton bow Zone where everybody's
Speaker 1: killing stick in big Bucks right there. Exactly. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time hunt in that province. It's
Speaker 1: a great province. Yeah. Yeah, that part of Canada is beautiful. Um,
Speaker 1: describe your upbringing. I mean, I know, I know there's
Speaker 1: a it's I want to say, hunting rich. Is that right, sir?
Speaker 1: I mean your dad is a badass, badasses when it
Speaker 1: comes to sheep on, so give me a rundown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I just grew up following along. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Do you have siblings? I do. I have
Speaker 1: an older brother, right, just one? And would you follow
Speaker 1: in his footsteps and look up to him? Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah I had to. Yeah, I had no choice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean there's a certain age I think
Speaker 1: there's a certain age range where you know, you just
Speaker 1: you gravitate towards that. I mean, it's it's the thing
Speaker 1: that you know, it's the things in front of you
Speaker 1: all the time. So yeah, but then you break off
Speaker 1: at some point, hopefully and do your own thing. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if I really consciously made
Speaker 1: the decision to to hunt. As much as it was,
Speaker 1: I was just had a bow in my hand, and
Speaker 1: I was shooting gophers and killing skunks and doing all
Speaker 1: that dumb stuff you do as a kid. Because my
Speaker 1: brother was doing it, my dad was doing it, and
Speaker 1: followed them everywhere. Um, and for us, it was just
Speaker 1: one of those things that we love doing, we love
Speaker 1: being outside. But it was all is just a foundation
Speaker 1: of our relationship. And I told people, a lot of
Speaker 1: people can sit on a coach and watch TV with
Speaker 1: their dad every Sunday. I watch football and have dinner
Speaker 1: and and go to movies and live life and seemingly
Speaker 1: have a great relationship. And I'm not saying there's anything
Speaker 1: wrong with that, but there's level of depth and richness
Speaker 1: that only comes when, or is only enhanced when you're
Speaker 1: doing it outside and you're doing it together. And I
Speaker 1: think that I haven't lived in the same place as
Speaker 1: either of those guys since I was eighteen off to college,
Speaker 1: and both have been able to maintain those relationships just
Speaker 1: because I think that hunting is such a big part
Speaker 1: of it. And maybe not even hunting, um, you know, fishing, camping,
Speaker 1: being outside. Just that part of being able to connect
Speaker 1: with somebody, even for a small period of time, makes
Speaker 1: it last. And and some of my my greatest friendships
Speaker 1: are with people that might start in that set and
Speaker 1: no matter what, if you can get back to those
Speaker 1: places with those people, it, uh, it always seems to
Speaker 1: rekindle it. Yeah, I mean, you know as well as
Speaker 1: I do. There's there's this level of connection, right. I
Speaker 1: always try to describe it as there's experiences that are
Speaker 1: exciting right in life. Football if so many scores a
Speaker 1: touchdown on TV, that you may get excited, it's what
Speaker 1: an amazing thing. But it's a two dimensional experience because
Speaker 1: when that's over, what do you get from it? You
Speaker 1: get the high, you get the you know, you're excited
Speaker 1: for the thing that happened on the television. Very much
Speaker 1: the same as riding a roller coaster. Who rather roller coaster?
Speaker 1: Get off roller coaster? You got your high for the moment.
Speaker 1: But then so there's no residual effects from football in
Speaker 1: your life, I would hope, unless you're in the stands
Speaker 1: of getting drunk and you get arrested or there's no
Speaker 1: residual effects from a roller coaster. But hunting in itself
Speaker 1: is in my experience, is exciting and connective as anything
Speaker 1: else you can do. But after the exciting part is over,
Speaker 1: there's this connective tissue with the food, of the experience,
Speaker 1: of the skills, of all the things that come with it.
Speaker 1: And so I say that about my relationship with my dad.
Speaker 1: This just like a three dimensional relationship to the point
Speaker 1: where we have these moments that you can't you couldn't
Speaker 1: recreate those moments. You couldn't recreate the experience of killing
Speaker 1: an elk with your dad, and how that feels you
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. And I think that's what a lot
Speaker 1: of those two dimensionals experiences that are manufactured by society
Speaker 1: you're trying to do, right, They're trying to recreate that
Speaker 1: experience that you could have in the woods with your dad,
Speaker 1: and you had it with your dad and your brother,
Speaker 1: which all the better for me. Super lucky, Yeah, super lucky.
Speaker 1: And I think that the other part of it is
Speaker 1: you make those relationships and then that other residual effect
Speaker 1: is sort of this. I've been thinking a lot about
Speaker 1: sort of mental callousies that you've build on your brain
Speaker 1: of what you can actually do, what you are capable
Speaker 1: of and there's lots of ways to test yourself. You
Speaker 1: can be an ultramarathon runner, or you can try a
Speaker 1: new diet, or you can get into cross fit. You know,
Speaker 1: you can get into different things that are sort of
Speaker 1: these disciplines that require a lot of energy and focus
Speaker 1: and commitment. But I think that hunting somehow makes it
Speaker 1: sort of elicits this more deeper, primal, something that's a
Speaker 1: little bit inside of you that triggers this notion of wow,
Speaker 1: I am capable of feeding myself, of traveling through the mountains,
Speaker 1: of navigating, of getting out of a tough situation, of
Speaker 1: cutting up an animal that I might not know necessarily
Speaker 1: how to do that, but I can see the muscle groups,
Speaker 1: and I tell people that all the time, Well, how
Speaker 1: do I know what to do? And when will I
Speaker 1: understand how to do the gutless method on an elk,
Speaker 1: or or when to take five steps when I should
Speaker 1: have only taken three. It's like, well, one experience, but
Speaker 1: two you got the instincts were it's baked in and
Speaker 1: it's something we haven't lost yet and I hope we
Speaker 1: never do. But those hunting experiences always seem to you
Speaker 1: just bring back a flood of of those skills that
Speaker 1: you just didn't know you had it. And then you
Speaker 1: get you get back from one of those experiences and
Speaker 1: let alone be with your dad or your brother, just
Speaker 1: somebody you never even met before, or somebody that you've
Speaker 1: known all your life and never hunted with. And then
Speaker 1: next time you see him, like the hugs a little
Speaker 1: bits a little bit tighter, and the handshakes a little
Speaker 1: bit firmer, and like the stories are a little bit funnier,
Speaker 1: and get to the point where like, man, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how we achieve this, but like the human connection,
Speaker 1: Yeah we got that. Yeah we got that. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't like we didn't go to a sporting event or
Speaker 1: we didn't go golfing, or we didn't go well, we
Speaker 1: went living like we lived together and experienced something that
Speaker 1: you couldn't recreate anywhere else and ship. Now we have
Speaker 1: this bond and I'm I describe before like walking in
Speaker 1: trade shows and you have all these disparate like I
Speaker 1: hunted sheet with that guy in British Columbia, I was
Speaker 1: in why when I with that guy, But the feeling
Speaker 1: is the same, right, you all experienced some real ship together.
Speaker 1: You know, and I imagine I hate to compare it
Speaker 1: and this is that's an empty comparison a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: But you know, when I've had folks that were in
Speaker 1: the military and they described the brotherhood of these experiences
Speaker 1: bringing you together, it's not it's not that, but it's
Speaker 1: some version of that ah that drives you and let
Speaker 1: alone having that with your family, which I think is
Speaker 1: even a way deeper version of that experience. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's it's been really fun. I just got back from
Speaker 1: a hunt with my wife and she grew up downtown Seattle.
Speaker 1: I took her first time she'd ever been in the mountains.
Speaker 1: She called it a tennis shoe summit to the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain. I just want to stop, because the
Speaker 1: first time I met your wife today, I heard a
Speaker 1: lot about her. She had apparently heard a lot about me.
Speaker 1: I don't know that means um, but like she seemed
Speaker 1: to be the most accepting wife of your hunting habits,
Speaker 1: which are pretty aggressive, to the point where she was
Speaker 1: suggesting more. And I immediately thought, wow, okay, Adam Foss
Speaker 1: could not have any other wife than this one right
Speaker 1: over here, because not only did she like well, you know,
Speaker 1: that's those sounds are tough. We should do more of them,
Speaker 1: you know, if you can't, If you don't get a
Speaker 1: RAM this year, we'll just go back. I'm thinking you've
Speaker 1: done well. Yeah, she's pretty special. I think she just
Speaker 1: knows how sort of the history with my family and
Speaker 1: just what a big part of it it is for
Speaker 1: me and probably what I'm like if I don't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my wife knows that part of me too. Get home
Speaker 1: from one of them big trips, it's like it takes
Speaker 1: you while to come back. Yeah, And where I was
Speaker 1: going with it is that she didn't grow up doing
Speaker 1: this stuff, and she has no barometer of what the
Speaker 1: normal hunting experience should be. The first trip we ever did,
Speaker 1: it's probably eight years ago, and it turned into a
Speaker 1: It was a through hike, lake to lake connecting it,
Speaker 1: and it ended up turning into the sideways bush bash,
Speaker 1: horrible weather. She was purple from the waist down from
Speaker 1: all these willows and catching the floatplane just in time.
Speaker 1: The guy was doing one pass and picked us up
Speaker 1: and it was one of those moments I'm never doing
Speaker 1: that again in your own mind, in my mind too,
Speaker 1: asking why do we do this stuff for her, it
Speaker 1: was her first experience at it, and we're looking at
Speaker 1: each other feeling the same thing, and and this floatplane
Speaker 1: takes off off the lake and we look over our
Speaker 1: right shoulder and we see this glacier and this whole
Speaker 1: flat that we had just covered, and the valley that
Speaker 1: we dropped into and skirted around really bearing three cubs,
Speaker 1: and all the goats that were dot in the mountainside.
Speaker 1: And as soon as that plane came off the lake
Speaker 1: and we looked over, we both looked at each other
Speaker 1: and it was if we wanted to just be right
Speaker 1: back at that first, they can do it all over
Speaker 1: again immediately. The bruises and the blisters hell instantly, and
Speaker 1: we were hungry to get back up there. But I
Speaker 1: thought you were like hungry for a pizza. Yeah, that too, definitely.
Speaker 1: And so so that was one of her first experiences,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't I didn't sort of, I didn't do
Speaker 1: it strategically. We just she said, hey, I want to
Speaker 1: go backpacking in this area, and I said, well, there's
Speaker 1: goats there, and let's do a backpacking goat trip and
Speaker 1: it'll be fun and it'll be fun. Hey. I didn't
Speaker 1: strategically say Okay, well, I'm going to get her involved
Speaker 1: in in some some white tail hunting and shell to
Speaker 1: see some deer and then get here involved maybe on
Speaker 1: a spotstock mule there hunt and then easier and it
Speaker 1: was she kind of got thrown into the Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had a baptism by fire well and in anybody who
Speaker 1: you know that experience with your wife. You know, I
Speaker 1: know you guys don't have kids, but some day maybe
Speaker 1: like that'll make you better for that You'll have been
Speaker 1: through something that it's freaking hard. And that's why I
Speaker 1: hate to repeat myself with these fancy analogies. But I
Speaker 1: like him, you know, I like, oh yeah, real big fan.
Speaker 1: People are listening to Pocks and be like, oh he
Speaker 1: fucking likes this one. He's pulling it out again. But
Speaker 1: if you think about were Cole Cranmer and I were
Speaker 1: doing a podcast, you know, Cole well, and we were
Speaker 1: just talking about these backhuntry experiences and kind of what
Speaker 1: they do for your life, utility of the backhuntry experience,
Speaker 1: and uh, we started talking about if if your life
Speaker 1: was a knife life, the old life life, that just
Speaker 1: the slog of daily society, the slog of the nine
Speaker 1: to five the office, the the stress, the computer, the kids,
Speaker 1: the thing that dolls the knife right, because it makes it.
Speaker 1: It makes it so life is just harder to go through.
Speaker 1: Like the challenges become bigger. Sitting in traffic becomes annoying,
Speaker 1: you know that, like these first world problems become bigger
Speaker 1: than what they really are. Then you go out in
Speaker 1: the woods and you realize and you stay for it,
Speaker 1: you know, like you you do for weeks on end,
Speaker 1: and you overcome challenges like well, I gotta eat, but
Speaker 1: I gotta go over there before I can. I gotta
Speaker 1: go get water down the creek that ships, that's some
Speaker 1: buch is a mile drop down, and then I gotta
Speaker 1: come back up to camp. You start to sharpen that
Speaker 1: freaking knife again, you know, because the hardest things that
Speaker 1: you're doing, the sharper you are to do them. And
Speaker 1: then when you come back to the real world, your
Speaker 1: sharpest ship and you cut through life. It's easy. You know,
Speaker 1: you're sitting in traffic these I don't gotta go down
Speaker 1: and get water to creek mile down h so you're
Speaker 1: not as frustrated with traffic or the sub shop taking
Speaker 1: too long to make your sandwich or whatever. And that
Speaker 1: perspective is valuable. And then you do that long enough,
Speaker 1: then you know, ife gets dollar and dollar and you
Speaker 1: get more frustrated and more frustrated. Then you go back
Speaker 1: to the wodness, sharpen that bitch up again and go
Speaker 1: back at it. And that's what's very much like for me,
Speaker 1: and that's where I'm sure you're like me. You get
Speaker 1: back to the real world for a minute, you get
Speaker 1: a little bit depressed because those challenges are less intense
Speaker 1: and they're more surface. They just seem less important too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you get see people getting mad about like
Speaker 1: waiting in line for something. Dude. The only reason you're
Speaker 1: mad about this because you don't have respective. You're not
Speaker 1: sharp enough to just be like, funk this man, this
Speaker 1: is fine. There's nothing compared to having a chop a
Speaker 1: tree down, cut the wood up, make a fire, and
Speaker 1: eat my dinner. Um, And what do you think about?
Speaker 1: I find this too, where day by day you sort
Speaker 1: of build this layer of immersion where the first day
Speaker 1: you're kind of bopping around, You're going, I should be
Speaker 1: in something or because I think that we are just
Speaker 1: so stimulated right sitting right here, and we have these
Speaker 1: phones and we have these Netflix shows and we have
Speaker 1: just so much stimulis to treat us with and access
Speaker 1: to everything. And I don't know when I get out there.
Speaker 1: The first day or two or three, I'm finding myself
Speaker 1: feeling like I should be doing something, I should be busier.
Speaker 1: And I think that that kind of goes away after
Speaker 1: a couple of days, and then it's just sort of traveling,
Speaker 1: glassing here, thinking about where sheep might be, where are
Speaker 1: we going to camp for water, mapping it out, thinking
Speaker 1: about the clouds and way that they're moving, and when
Speaker 1: weather is coming in, all those things, and you start
Speaker 1: to just tune in. And I think, so I like
Speaker 1: these like longer trips is because you rip out for
Speaker 1: an elk hunt in the morning and you just start
Speaker 1: to get there here in Bugles and and you're sort
Speaker 1: of in the in the moment and and then you
Speaker 1: you go back. Or the thing that I hate to
Speaker 1: is you get to the top of the mountain service. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, save ship, like you get to
Speaker 1: the top to the middle of Fuck. I got emails,
Speaker 1: we did that. We were doing that last weekend. We're
Speaker 1: hiking up and I had no service, no service. We
Speaker 1: got to the mountain. We sat down because I hadn't
Speaker 1: even turned my phone on silen because I had no
Speaker 1: service in camp. And we got to the top of
Speaker 1: the mountain, ding dinging. You you kidding me? So yes,
Speaker 1: a hundred percent. That's the ultimate that's the ultimate irony
Speaker 1: of that. That scenario ripped right out of the EJAC button,
Speaker 1: out of the We were talking about Northwest territories. You
Speaker 1: spent a ship ton of time up there, and we talked.
Speaker 1: We could probably the whole podcast just about um that country.
Speaker 1: But I remembers the first I figured it. But I
Speaker 1: it was like this before, but this, this trip last
Speaker 1: year in August, was the first time I had figured that.
Speaker 1: There's like a you have to shake the society off you.
Speaker 1: You know, day one and your hike and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm tired, I'll just stop, or I'm tired, I want
Speaker 1: to stop. And then day three, day two, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I wish I could get a shower. I'd really like
Speaker 1: a shower. And then day three like I'd love a
Speaker 1: lasagna that I'm not eating out of a bag. But
Speaker 1: then day four you're like, funk this ship. I love it,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want any of that stuff anymore. So
Speaker 1: like you take some time sometimes soon sometimes it takes
Speaker 1: some sixs a week sometimes to just shake off the
Speaker 1: comforts of society and just be there, just be in
Speaker 1: the moment and be like this is gonna be tough,
Speaker 1: but that's why I'm here. And for me, even just
Speaker 1: just my lungs, my hip, my really is your brain
Speaker 1: that's trying to tell you, like, remember that thing that
Speaker 1: we were doing that was really comfortable. We'll go back
Speaker 1: to that. We can still go back. We can call them,
Speaker 1: the plane will come pick us up. We'll go back.
Speaker 1: And three or four days into it, they're like, no,
Speaker 1: turn them back now, exactly too deep, exactly too deep.
Speaker 1: And that's beautiful. That reminds me of something Frankie said
Speaker 1: on this it's my wife, um, Frankie said on this
Speaker 1: last trip. And and we had this hunt plan. We
Speaker 1: we walked in up this valley and then we punched
Speaker 1: up in the alpine and we hunted this ridge and
Speaker 1: looking at all these bowls, and we were pretty far
Speaker 1: back into this spot, and it was cold and it snowed,
Speaker 1: and and we end up killing this goat way far
Speaker 1: back and and it turned into a total as they
Speaker 1: do bush whack out. It took us three days to
Speaker 1: bush whack this goat out point of the story. She
Speaker 1: reflecting back on it, she said, well, it only started
Speaker 1: to get really fun when it got hard, and I said, bingo,
Speaker 1: because she was she was going, oh, this is cold,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, and we're not really seeing a
Speaker 1: whole lot of rams. And she enjoyed it, but she
Speaker 1: said it only really got fun when it got hard.
Speaker 1: And I went to, holy sh it, you've learned more
Speaker 1: from these few handful. She's been to Spain hunting Ibex
Speaker 1: and Argentina red stick and she doesn't hunt herself. Let
Speaker 1: me clarify, she's around glassing for animals and hiking around.
Speaker 1: She's done these sheet hunts and Alberta for big horns,
Speaker 1: and my brother and coat hunts in BC. And and
Speaker 1: we're at we're at the end of the life of
Speaker 1: this growler. Okay. I thought we had a lot of
Speaker 1: beer this growler but started to evaporate. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: hole in the bottom. Uh. Continue, And she was saying, hey,
Speaker 1: it only got it only got good when it got hard,
Speaker 1: And I said, wow, you've learned more about this stuff.
Speaker 1: In a compressed amount of time than most people know
Speaker 1: because and sometimes I find myself and this is why
Speaker 1: we picked this hunt. We had a friend. This is
Speaker 1: sort of an old as as all best hunting stories start, Well,
Speaker 1: all the old pilots say that the biggest rams in
Speaker 1: that range live here, all the old pilots, and and
Speaker 1: so we both leaned in and said where, and he
Speaker 1: said here, and he said it's about Yeah, it's about
Speaker 1: k MA. Sure, you know, eighteen miles up the horse trail.
Speaker 1: Then you got to take a left and then it's
Speaker 1: a couple more days back and then you drop in.
Speaker 1: And anyways, this, this, this whole hunt was planned around
Speaker 1: a good old fashioned hard mountain hunt. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I was going for. And I think that
Speaker 1: you think about ways to make it easier, better technology, lighter,
Speaker 1: lighter boots and equipment and apparel and packs and higher
Speaker 1: calorie foods, uh, bows and rifles that shoot farther and
Speaker 1: more accurate. You think about ways to make it easier
Speaker 1: and more efficient and better for the hunter. And we
Speaker 1: sort of relearned that the beauty of and the challenge
Speaker 1: of it isn't is how hard it is. And for
Speaker 1: her to say that at her junior level of Jedi
Speaker 1: hunting training was was pretty astounding, and she she didn't
Speaker 1: miss a beat. She just she also said, the only
Speaker 1: way out is out. What am I gonna do? We
Speaker 1: gotta go out. That's the most beautiful thing about those trips.
Speaker 1: How many times in your daily life do you get
Speaker 1: to a point where I like, I either have to
Speaker 1: do this or I don't. Like, I either have to
Speaker 1: do this or I die, or I have to do
Speaker 1: this or I'm here for the rest of my life,
Speaker 1: Like I either whacked this thing out of here or
Speaker 1: I've gotta drop all this stuff. But there's there's consequences
Speaker 1: out there that are tougher and harder than consequences daily life.
Speaker 1: You know, I find even the hardest thing in my
Speaker 1: daily life, you know, which is relatively simple, becomes this, like,
Speaker 1: well I could do something else. It is one and
Speaker 1: harder to do something than it is not to do it, right,
Speaker 1: That is a fact. Yeah, And it's it's beautiful that
Speaker 1: that Frankie's has kind of picked that up so quickly
Speaker 1: because and the fact that you picked it up as
Speaker 1: a child, I'm sure from your dad, who's who's you know,
Speaker 1: As we said, a badass, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that I didn't pick it up for my dad. But
Speaker 1: but we lived in a different place. We didn't have sheep.
Speaker 1: We we just had a white tailed deer, and it
Speaker 1: was more of a communal thing. It was more of
Speaker 1: a you know, sharing the meat, sharing the time, sharing
Speaker 1: the family. There was less of a challenge to ourselves.
Speaker 1: It's cold in the morning, of course, but that's sitting
Speaker 1: true standing Cold's all right, It's nothing later till I
Speaker 1: was later in life. So I started discovering this kind
Speaker 1: of like perspective giving experience, and I was glad to
Speaker 1: have it when I got it, but I wish I
Speaker 1: had it sooner. And I think what the coolest thing
Speaker 1: about hunting is is that there isn't very many activities
Speaker 1: where there is so many there's a myriad of options
Speaker 1: for progression, and it is such a personal journey. And
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about that in that hunt too,
Speaker 1: because we I think it's really easy to compare ourselves
Speaker 1: to other people at hunt in different states, on the internet,
Speaker 1: on TV, and what's relative for that person is not
Speaker 1: the same for you. For me, it is not the
Speaker 1: same for you. And it's a personal quest It's one
Speaker 1: of the only activities that is like that that I
Speaker 1: can think of. That is it is, it is so personal,
Speaker 1: and there's so many options. You can do it any
Speaker 1: way you want, and you can always make it harder,
Speaker 1: you can always make it easier, you can always make
Speaker 1: it different. And you just talked about living just being
Speaker 1: up here in Montana and all the public land that's available,
Speaker 1: and you could never hunt out of a two hour
Speaker 1: circle of Bozeman, Montana and probably hunt the same trail
Speaker 1: twice or for the same species twice, and you start
Speaker 1: thinking about that. He started zooming out and thinking about
Speaker 1: ways to put a different spin on a hunt that
Speaker 1: you've done. Or one thing that we've sort of gotten
Speaker 1: into is taken newer people out to it and experience
Speaker 1: it through their eyes, and there's just no it's just
Speaker 1: an infinite life doesn't have enough years to be able
Speaker 1: to experience all these things. And so I think that
Speaker 1: it's truly just such a special thing about this thing
Speaker 1: that we love to do, is that you can always
Speaker 1: we can always do something different and make it harder.
Speaker 1: And that journey is so personal, track yourself along through it,
Speaker 1: and to see her starting on this journey and wherever
Speaker 1: I am in this journey, whenever you are in this journey,
Speaker 1: is it is something profound, And I just encourage everybody
Speaker 1: to kind of remind themselves of that that it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's about you, the way you want to do
Speaker 1: it and how you want to do it, not anything
Speaker 1: else when it comes to hunting, do you find I've
Speaker 1: struggled with that concept for a lot of reasons. I
Speaker 1: think social media has kind of given us all this
Speaker 1: prism through which to shine the lights, right, you know,
Speaker 1: this is what I do. But it's always the best ship.
Speaker 1: You know. It's not like, oh I'm terrible at this,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm a terrible medioc forgot my fucking
Speaker 1: boot like that. It's always like I did that, I'm
Speaker 1: so fit to kill the sheep. So that that is
Speaker 1: a struggle too. But the personal experience, I think is
Speaker 1: is a is a very positive thing for hunting, but
Speaker 1: it can be a negative thing too because it is
Speaker 1: such a personal experience. There isn't a scorecard, There isn't
Speaker 1: an announcer saying what you're doing and when, and the
Speaker 1: level of success that you that you glean I think
Speaker 1: is most basically the how you feel when you first
Speaker 1: lay hands or first lay eyes on that animal. You know,
Speaker 1: you could kill the four bull and do it in
Speaker 1: a way that's not pure to you and not feel
Speaker 1: much when it's dead. You can kill a raghorn bull.
Speaker 1: It took you fourteen days to hike too, It's gonna
Speaker 1: take you three days to hike out it's still and
Speaker 1: feel this immense satisfaction in that um. And so there's
Speaker 1: so much different levels you can And then we get
Speaker 1: into all these like how do we how do we
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a photographer, you're a videography You've been
Speaker 1: a part of some amazing films. You've been a part
Speaker 1: of some amazing photography, and uh, and then it's like,
Speaker 1: how do we capture that? How do we tell this story?
Speaker 1: Because it's such a personal damn thing that if I
Speaker 1: tell my own personal story it makes to somebody else
Speaker 1: somewhere else it may seem like I'm an egotist, or
Speaker 1: may seem like I don't care about the animal, But
Speaker 1: really it's just your own perception love it. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think that that's that's something that as hunters we
Speaker 1: need to get better at because I'm I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the same way when you hit the trade show floor,
Speaker 1: or probably when you're hanging around a bar here in
Speaker 1: Bozeman and you can see the light in somebody's eyes
Speaker 1: when they say, hey, I called in this raghorn and
Speaker 1: I shot him at eight yards and they can't even
Speaker 1: get the rest of the story out, and your you go,
Speaker 1: that is it? Or you see a guy that pulls
Speaker 1: his phone out and goes, I want was this wants
Speaker 1: to be seventy one? As fon as three forty? It
Speaker 1: has kind of piste off that year and you go, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: You you're missing the boat. You're missing the boat. And
Speaker 1: I think the more that we can kind of drill
Speaker 1: back to that that feeling of of connection and accomplishment
Speaker 1: and really promote that, I think the better we're doing,
Speaker 1: because because yeah, yeah, I just think that I want
Speaker 1: to get back to that feeling, the feeling that you
Speaker 1: had when you were sitting in a tree. Standard deer
Speaker 1: comes over the first time, you just both fall out
Speaker 1: of your trees and you're shaking so bad, Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's some purity to that, right, you know, we
Speaker 1: always talk about purity score like what's yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it is to me. You know, we've gotten twisted up
Speaker 1: in a lot of subject matter, right as hunters, how
Speaker 1: big the antlers are as a public landers de private?
Speaker 1: You know, how far did you go back? Did you
Speaker 1: pack them out? You're driving a TV to him or whatever.
Speaker 1: But all those things are like building blocks on which
Speaker 1: you build your personal experience. Right, You're your wife has
Speaker 1: been lucky enough to be married to a fucking mountain
Speaker 1: hunting badass her experience. I don't know that she would
Speaker 1: probably argue with you that that's not like you want
Speaker 1: to push she probably she probably wish she was married
Speaker 1: to a badass restaurant to her or something. He just stay,
Speaker 1: you can relax, But yeah, I mean so her her.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's lucky to get that like initial experience
Speaker 1: of hunting to come through your to your your prison
Speaker 1: in the way that you see things and do things.
Speaker 1: A lot of people just aren't lucky to have that.
Speaker 1: I my personal journey was very much like just a
Speaker 1: regular regular hunting weekend warrior. It was all about me
Speaker 1: and my dad, kind of me and my friends. That
Speaker 1: was all. It was all kind of about that. But
Speaker 1: then you know, I went away from hunting for a
Speaker 1: while during college, and it just wasn't a big part
Speaker 1: of life. They have a lot of opportunities. Was busy,
Speaker 1: came back to it professionally and discovered this immense, vast
Speaker 1: world that I fucking knew nothing about. I didn't even
Speaker 1: have to work a shotgun when I got my first
Speaker 1: job in the industry, and and I just remember thinking
Speaker 1: that journey was essential to where I am right now,
Speaker 1: to my my respect for the wilderness, my respect for
Speaker 1: public land, my respect for coming to a place like
Speaker 1: Montane and looking around and being at all. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: have happened if it didn't happen that way. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I'm a bad hunter, doesn't mean I'm a good hunter.
Speaker 1: It just means that's the way it came to me,
Speaker 1: you know, And the way it came to you, Frankie,
Speaker 1: was it was just as great a whole lot of
Speaker 1: willows purple for the waist down. Um. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a deep it's a deep deal. But but
Speaker 1: your experience very much was family oriented, and I would
Speaker 1: say next level, right, I mean, sheep hunting is is
Speaker 1: um it's not elitist, but very few people do it
Speaker 1: are able to do it because it is a hard
Speaker 1: thing to do, and then and it is, Uh, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of opportunities running around, so you're able
Speaker 1: to achieve some things young in your life that maybe
Speaker 1: not a lot of people have. Um, So give me
Speaker 1: a rundown of kind of like when you were first
Speaker 1: introduced to sheep hunting and then and how it grew
Speaker 1: on you and how you kind of got a bit
Speaker 1: of a reputation. I know you do. Can't you just
Speaker 1: post it in the show like a show's notes shows
Speaker 1: notes this guy. Now you gotta be able to talk
Speaker 1: about yourself on the podcast. Gosh, but just run through
Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. You don't have to give me the
Speaker 1: full details. Okay, we'll get back. Well. Yeah, like I
Speaker 1: grew up in southern alberta awesome opportunity for hunting just
Speaker 1: about everything, including bighorn sheep in the can mor Bo zone.
Speaker 1: So my dad grew up hunting that stuff. Um, I
Speaker 1: should back up. I grew up hunting that stuff with
Speaker 1: my dad. My dad and hunted that stuff back in
Speaker 1: the day, in the nineties eighties when it was before
Speaker 1: all this stuff was on draw and you could could.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just got stories about those I mean
Speaker 1: you should see something pictures actually the three pin site
Speaker 1: where the pins are as big as a match stick,
Speaker 1: and the pin that it's like your ten yard pin,
Speaker 1: you're like fifteen yard pin, You're twenty yard pin. Is
Speaker 1: it's down by the bottom camp. Yeah, and he said, oh, man,
Speaker 1: if you would have seen some of the rams that
Speaker 1: we missed. And the range finder, well, there was no
Speaker 1: range finders and the first range finder was that split
Speaker 1: split level thing. Yeah. I shouldn't needed to throw a
Speaker 1: rope at him then pull a rope back exactly, but
Speaker 1: he ran away. Okay, next time, next time. Uh. But anyways,
Speaker 1: so grew up doing that, and it's just exposed to
Speaker 1: the beauty of the country, and the country kind of
Speaker 1: locks you in because I was actually straight in this
Speaker 1: article about talking about climbing up and and walking through
Speaker 1: the boulder fields and and the shale and then the
Speaker 1: alpine scrub and then that first moment of emerging of
Speaker 1: the alpine and just seeing cheap country. And you probably
Speaker 1: experienced that in the Northwest territories. Yeah, very much. So
Speaker 1: it's impactful. It's vast. You can just look at it
Speaker 1: and it's almost like it's almost like a piece of
Speaker 1: art that you're looking at. And the more that you
Speaker 1: look at the piece of art painting, you see the
Speaker 1: brush strokes, you see the cracks, and he's see the
Speaker 1: way that this is laid out geographically, but also starts
Speaker 1: to see it as as how an animal might see
Speaker 1: it and see a little bit of water here and
Speaker 1: sort of the shade this cliff is throwing, and maybe
Speaker 1: they're gonna go in there in the afternoon and this
Speaker 1: black shale that they love pond their beds out and
Speaker 1: bedding in, and oh there's I can start to see
Speaker 1: some trails carved out, looks like they might go through
Speaker 1: that pass, and you start to look at it, and
Speaker 1: the more you look at them more it just it's
Speaker 1: just sort of enthralling. And so that part of it
Speaker 1: as much it is about the sheep hunting, it is
Speaker 1: the country is just right there with it, and maybe
Speaker 1: even more so. And I'm kind of making that argument,
Speaker 1: I think to myself, I think so because you know,
Speaker 1: sheep or not just like whey. I mean, they're wary,
Speaker 1: but relative to other animals there there, they're not docile,
Speaker 1: but they're you know, get after him pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can get after him beautiful country, in this rugged
Speaker 1: country is right there along with these animals, and um
Speaker 1: so I think that got into me right away, and
Speaker 1: from there it just sort of evolved. And lucky enough
Speaker 1: to have a father that was interested in it, took
Speaker 1: me on hunts in the province, out of province. Um
Speaker 1: same with my brother, followed along in his footsteps, and
Speaker 1: just got to see it through the eyes of somebody
Speaker 1: who it gets their heart going, it gets them repped up,
Speaker 1: it gets it's all they can think about. And I
Speaker 1: think about my brother in the way he is now
Speaker 1: to this day, I mean, maybe even more obsessed than
Speaker 1: he ever was, which is insane. Yeah, And I'm and
Speaker 1: I'm and Frankie and I were talking about this in
Speaker 1: this last hunt too. I'm I'm kind of at this
Speaker 1: point where I'm I'm trying to experience a bunch of
Speaker 1: the stuff. Probably same to you. You You know, he talked
Speaker 1: about your year last year. You're in Nepal and New
Speaker 1: Zealand and Hawaii and Northwest territories and every everywhere everywhere,
Speaker 1: and you and and that's why I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: kind of they're in that stage of, Hey, I want
Speaker 1: to go hunting is a vehicle to take me to
Speaker 1: all these places and meet all these cool people and
Speaker 1: see these animals and the mountain landscapes they live in.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm kind of like taking that approach,
Speaker 1: and my brother is like focusing on the hardest possible
Speaker 1: fucking ship I think you can do with the bow
Speaker 1: in your hand and and which is awesome. And to
Speaker 1: watch him push it and you know he's hunted. He
Speaker 1: was the first bow hunter to kill and Ibex in Pakistan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're going to Tajikistan on Tuesday and he's going
Speaker 1: to try and kill Marco Polo with a bow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. There's a lot of sheet
Speaker 1: and you gotta be kidding me, man, you gotta be joking.
Speaker 1: That is legit. It's uh yeah, we'll see to do
Speaker 1: it all the bow, I mean it just just the sacrifice,
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I know your brother has a family, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's married kiddos, yes, none that he knows of. Yah.
Speaker 1: It might have been one of those one of those
Speaker 1: kids that last trip to Argentina a good time. Uh No,
Speaker 1: But just to just to do it with with those guys,
Speaker 1: my brother and my dad, just to see the way
Speaker 1: they kind of operate and and like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: you've following these footsteps and then you make your own path.
Speaker 1: And for me, what what I've done is evolved and
Speaker 1: have these experiences and looking for challenges and new places
Speaker 1: and and I don't know, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: where it goes from here. And probably the same for you.
Speaker 1: You go, well, what what what's next? Is It? Is
Speaker 1: it the value I get from throwing a dart at
Speaker 1: a map on a chunk of public land and going,
Speaker 1: all right, I know nothing about this mountain range. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try and figure it out all my own. It
Speaker 1: might take me four years to killable in there, but
Speaker 1: when I do, no matter how big it is, it's
Speaker 1: going to be satisfying. Yeah, I mean, I think the
Speaker 1: beauty is that it's just a it's a like if
Speaker 1: you're wandering a path you don't know. You know. For me,
Speaker 1: and you know, there was a time in my life
Speaker 1: where I decided that this was going to be my
Speaker 1: profession right in some shape, way, shape or for no
Speaker 1: I just decided I'm going to commit to the hunting industry,
Speaker 1: the hunting community. That's gonna be my people, and that's
Speaker 1: what that's what matters. And in the moment that I
Speaker 1: decided that my my hunting life took these like ridiculous
Speaker 1: turns that they probably should have never took, like things
Speaker 1: I should never get to do. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: like I felt like, hey, I'm earning them. You know this,
Speaker 1: These are things that I, um, I'm not any better
Speaker 1: at this than anybody else, but these are things that
Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate in the moment and in hindsight and
Speaker 1: any future adventures. But then your life changes, right. I
Speaker 1: had a kid and in my life changed, um, and
Speaker 1: when he got old enough to have an opinion, which
Speaker 1: has been recent, I realized that I was never gonna
Speaker 1: be truly happy in my pursuits if he wasn't top
Speaker 1: of mind any future kids that might have. So that
Speaker 1: that's my journey though. I went from coming into the
Speaker 1: industry and the honey industry, not really know much about
Speaker 1: ship haven being a hunter, but wearing coveralls and shooting
Speaker 1: a bold action rifle and you know, loving the skin
Speaker 1: and parties of my dad too, going on a ball
Speaker 1: to shoot a blue sheep the funk out of here.
Speaker 1: You know, yours is a little bit more direct, like
Speaker 1: your dad led you down the path. Look, but shoot,
Speaker 1: I mean the place, the places you've been and things
Speaker 1: you've done weren't mapped out for you. Everybody mapped that
Speaker 1: ship out, tell people how to do, how to be
Speaker 1: at m foss you know, how do you? How do you?
Speaker 1: Because even in your business life, right, Yeah, in creating
Speaker 1: content for brands, creating content for clients and the things
Speaker 1: that you do, UM, you can't map it out. You
Speaker 1: can't say, like your your creativity that the type of
Speaker 1: photos you want to take, the equipment you're going to use,
Speaker 1: it all just kind of like comes that just keeps coming. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think energy follows what you're focused on. You focus
Speaker 1: on it, You focus on making an intentional shift to
Speaker 1: build everything in your life around this direction that you're headed.
Speaker 1: And it's amazing the way that things start to roll out, um,
Speaker 1: and the opportunities that present themselves or that we're always
Speaker 1: there that you just didn't really see until you made
Speaker 1: this conscious choice to pursue something. And I'd like to
Speaker 1: think that I mapped it all out and did it,
Speaker 1: did did some goals and have really strategic plan, But
Speaker 1: like you said, it was sort of focusing on what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do and how I wanted to do
Speaker 1: it and less strategic man um, Yeah, I think five
Speaker 1: of your plans are fucking bullshit because I think you
Speaker 1: never had a destination. Right, But your dad and and
Speaker 1: greatly so like set you on a path, right, My
Speaker 1: dad set me on a hunting path. Our. Our starting
Speaker 1: points couldn't be any anymore different if you try to
Speaker 1: play some different points on the map. Right, somehow we
Speaker 1: got some point when we're sitting in the room talking
Speaker 1: about hunting, you know, and it's the path we were
Speaker 1: set on, and we if I had have been like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the five year plan, not the five year
Speaker 1: plan is here's what I'm gonna do Northroest Territories, kill Cariboo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably would have never got there. I might have,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't have been it wouldn't have been a
Speaker 1: serendipitous as what it was. I'm sure for you, the
Speaker 1: same thing like you find yourself in Argentina Jason rids day.
Speaker 1: I could never map that out. And people, actually, how
Speaker 1: did you get to where you are today? I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just really like the hunt. I really like the hunt. Uh,
Speaker 1: And it's cool and you talk about sort of the
Speaker 1: perhaps some of the cons with the relative exposure to
Speaker 1: perhaps social media and the way that hunting is presented.
Speaker 1: I think about that a lot. I also think about
Speaker 1: the connectivity to the hunting world that we have with
Speaker 1: that tool and talking about hunting red stag. Two people
Speaker 1: that have gotten a hunt with the Patagony River guides
Speaker 1: Rants and Travis that run a fishing outfit and had
Speaker 1: a fishing lease and said, holy ship, there's some monster
Speaker 1: red stags that we were start hunting these things and
Speaker 1: then I really good friend. It's it's just have come
Speaker 1: really close with him and haven't spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time with him other than hunting Um Santiago Um down
Speaker 1: in Argentina. We hunted red stag with him, and it's
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's like, I would never know these
Speaker 1: guys existed without this this sort of tool for outreach.
Speaker 1: And so it's a double edged sword to it's it's
Speaker 1: a challenge that I find myself. Maybe you're the same,
Speaker 1: but you think about how much that warps our sense
Speaker 1: of of value and just peace with what our lives
Speaker 1: are and we don't have to compare every single thing
Speaker 1: that we do. And on the other hand, there's these positive,
Speaker 1: deep relationships that we've made. Because somebody saw a picture
Speaker 1: on some Instagram posts that a brand shared and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: would you ever consider coming hunting red Stack? Then you
Speaker 1: had a friend, and you have a friend and the
Speaker 1: total side. The people in Argentina are awesome. They are.
Speaker 1: They are the type of people that if you invite
Speaker 1: them two, if you said, hey, come on up and
Speaker 1: hunt out right now, if they could, they would, and
Speaker 1: they would sleep on that couch right there, that's three weeks.
Speaker 1: That's my type of that's my type of people. And
Speaker 1: vice versa. You're down there, come in, They'll give you
Speaker 1: the shirt off their back. And it feels like that
Speaker 1: New zealand other places like there's just like little cultures
Speaker 1: that have maintained this ethic. I agree, I agreed. I
Speaker 1: think that's something perhaps maybe in North America, maybe we're
Speaker 1: just tight wads or I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but there's just so many cool people out there that
Speaker 1: hunting has connected me with and I'm so fortunate, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's totally a pay up forward type thing.
Speaker 1: We were just doing this trip up in northern BC.
Speaker 1: Um Blacktails and we were cruising around. Oh man, it's
Speaker 1: just like a long story. But this guy, we're looking
Speaker 1: for the spot we wanted to get in the Alpine.
Speaker 1: Talked to this guy. He was cutting this logging road
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, he kind of waves us over,
Speaker 1: and we're going, I don't know if we're supposed to
Speaker 1: be here, and we're looking for this trailhead and we
Speaker 1: drive up and he goes, hey, what are you guys
Speaker 1: doing And he said, well, we're, um, we're deer hunting.
Speaker 1: And he went, oh, well, you guys should go over there.
Speaker 1: He said really and he said, oh yeah, I see
Speaker 1: him up there all the time. And he goes, oh, no,
Speaker 1: you got across the bay on a boat. Well that's okay,
Speaker 1: I got I got my boat. You guys go grab it.
Speaker 1: It's the blue one. And we were going, what's your name,
Speaker 1: what's your address or what's your phone number? Here? Do
Speaker 1: you want us to leave anything with you is collateral?
Speaker 1: He said, just take my boat. I don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: So that's something I think is in the North you
Speaker 1: might have experienced that a little time up there. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's of course maybe in South America New Zealand. It
Speaker 1: seems like European people are like that sometimes. And um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, going off on a tangent, but I
Speaker 1: would say this, man, I always think about life in
Speaker 1: the place I live, and I've lived in a few places,
Speaker 1: like what is the culture of the neighbor? Right? I
Speaker 1: always go back to the culture of what a neighbor
Speaker 1: is in America right now, a lot of places I've lived,
Speaker 1: a neighbor as a person you're either annoyed by or
Speaker 1: you give the courtesy wave to. And that's the culture. Now.
Speaker 1: It's not everywhere, but funk all, it's a lot of places.
Speaker 1: And the neighbor in New York City is somebody that
Speaker 1: you yell at or ignore or have to wait in
Speaker 1: line behind to get a coffee. Right, But there's other
Speaker 1: places in the world where the neighbor is this like,
Speaker 1: it's a it's you are now part of a community.
Speaker 1: The culture of the neighbor is uplifting, it's sharing, it's giving,
Speaker 1: it's sleep on my couch and stup in your couch.
Speaker 1: That's the culture of the neighbor. We have fucking lost
Speaker 1: My dad his culture. He's like, dude. When I was
Speaker 1: a kid, I'd run around the neighborhood and they just
Speaker 1: let us go in whatever. How we just run in
Speaker 1: somebody's house and who they are, run out, We don't care.
Speaker 1: Have a cookie leaves like that. That is to eat
Speaker 1: people randomies. You can't be eating random cook those cookies.
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're in those cookies. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be good. But there's this you know, we're
Speaker 1: more connected, right, we're more connected than ever you were
Speaker 1: able to connect somebody across the world, but then have
Speaker 1: a relationship that was built on disconnect, which is this
Speaker 1: oxymoronic activity that we do because we're just we're in
Speaker 1: we're like little babies when it comes to communicating because
Speaker 1: we're just got this tool not too long ago, the
Speaker 1: tool of social media and internet and instant communication anybody
Speaker 1: around the world all time. So we just got that
Speaker 1: in the spain of human communication that's been like maybe
Speaker 1: less than one percent of the time. That's a world
Speaker 1: a baby with that ship. We're terrible, Like we get frustrated,
Speaker 1: we're like fuck you when we're on the internet. But
Speaker 1: it's not you know, but it also can lead to
Speaker 1: awesome things. So it's it's it's it's as oxymronic. Is
Speaker 1: some of these cultures can can be and I've found
Speaker 1: the Hawaiian culture. I don't know why. It's islands definitely.
Speaker 1: You feel like islands that you do. You just said this.
Speaker 1: You have to get on the boat to leave or
Speaker 1: a plane to leave. So we're all got we're all
Speaker 1: together on this floating little piece of land and New
Speaker 1: Zealand Australia. It's hard to get stuff. It's hard to
Speaker 1: get stu from the north. It's hard to get stuff
Speaker 1: on islands. You got a trade, you need a cup
Speaker 1: of sugar, you need a couple of extra arrows. If
Speaker 1: you ran out, you go to your neighbor. That's where
Speaker 1: it's That's where it's so much more connected. It seems
Speaker 1: like you can't Amazon Prime ship to the north coast
Speaker 1: of BC. Did you ever do you ever think about people?
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about the fact that you can
Speaker 1: live in this society and in Bosan, Montana and never
Speaker 1: leave your house and live very productive life. You can
Speaker 1: never leave your house. You can get all the food
Speaker 1: you need, all the shelter you need, You have people,
Speaker 1: all the relationships you need, you can see people in
Speaker 1: video chat. Never leave your house and you could be
Speaker 1: the productive you could be a CEO of a company
Speaker 1: never leave your house, not one time? How scary is
Speaker 1: that definition productive definition of? But as our society grades
Speaker 1: the game and of like what's a good person, it
Speaker 1: would be like, well, I have a job, right, I've
Speaker 1: got a family, I've got friends. I just don't ever
Speaker 1: leave the house. I'm gonna die and here my cats
Speaker 1: are gonna eat me. But they always have cats, they
Speaker 1: always Why do they have cats? Are the cats? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's That's a big part of
Speaker 1: what I think about, is what our society allows us
Speaker 1: to do. But then what what told does it exact
Speaker 1: for that allowance? You know, we can do kind of
Speaker 1: whatever we want. Technologies allowed us to do a lot
Speaker 1: of things, but it also exact toll in our humanity
Speaker 1: takes a little bit away, It takes a little bit
Speaker 1: weight of our connective tissue along the way, and honey
Speaker 1: fucking gives it back. Hey, I think we solved all
Speaker 1: the world's problems. Well, I mean, the growler is empty,
Speaker 1: you're about you have to go to you have to
Speaker 1: leave and go to a I think that I thought
Speaker 1: was cool when you're telling me earlier, Ah, your wife
Speaker 1: and yourself. Yeah, the group of friends. You do what's
Speaker 1: called a cookbook night, cookbook club, cookbook club, which is
Speaker 1: even better because it's not just one night's right, I
Speaker 1: guess if he cooks right, you pick a cookbook, right,
Speaker 1: just a single cookbook. Now, do you pick a different
Speaker 1: cookbook every time? Or you cycle through this. There's actually
Speaker 1: a pitch week. Everybody brings a cookbook. You pitch your cookbook,
Speaker 1: the group votes on the cookbook. Once that cookbook is selected,
Speaker 1: the group will cook dishes out of that cookbook for
Speaker 1: maybe four times, until we've cooked everything through it or
Speaker 1: everything that looks good. And so you'll bring an entree,
Speaker 1: I'll bring an appetizer, somebody will bring a dessert, all
Speaker 1: from this cookbook. And we'll meet once a month usually,
Speaker 1: And it's basically an excuse to drink wine. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was good cocktails. I guarantee you're drinking dirty. There's no
Speaker 1: way you're sitting around having tea. There's some food, you know,
Speaker 1: and there is. What it does is it makes you
Speaker 1: cook Korean food, Icelandic food, old school home cooking, Italian food,
Speaker 1: and things that you would never just sits there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I cycle through tacos, pasta elk steaks and then I
Speaker 1: probably do it all over again. That's about three things.
Speaker 1: I know, three things I can make, and that is it.
Speaker 1: And I think that it just gets you. It just
Speaker 1: gets you out doing something different and we all meet
Speaker 1: over food. The kitchen is where everybody gathers at a party. Um.
Speaker 1: Food is where stories are told. And so I can't
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that we had this grand plan.
Speaker 1: It was a friend of ours who came up with it,
Speaker 1: but it was actually really cool and his friendships were
Speaker 1: evil and we knew. The nice thing is anytime in
Speaker 1: this day and age and to travel that you do
Speaker 1: and I do that. When you say bye to a
Speaker 1: friend and you know the next time you're going to
Speaker 1: see him, that is a good feeling. It's like when
Speaker 1: you say bye to relative and you say, I know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you at Grandpa Tim's birthday, or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see at Christmas. You have these Christmas, Thanksgiving, you
Speaker 1: have Easter. Maybe you have these gathering points with family
Speaker 1: that you know you're gonna see them. And now as
Speaker 1: an adult, we're in our thirties, we get to choose
Speaker 1: our family and our friends and we get to say hey,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it a priority to spend time with
Speaker 1: these people. We love them like family. And I think
Speaker 1: that that feeling this cookbook little cookbook club thing. To
Speaker 1: have that feeling and to have a reason to get
Speaker 1: together and say hey, I'll see you next month is
Speaker 1: awesome ship that feeds the soul. Man not to get
Speaker 1: too dramatic about it, but as I like, I got
Speaker 1: a pretty steady soul, I think, like, I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not too you know, sketchy own life. I think I
Speaker 1: got it. I'm pretty grounded. I'm like, I know what
Speaker 1: i want to do. I'm happy with this. I'm not
Speaker 1: happy with that. I'm not. You don't need to see
Speaker 1: a therapist and talk through any of this ship. And
Speaker 1: I wonder why that is a lot of times, because
Speaker 1: I'm not any better than anybody else. But then I
Speaker 1: think back to my family life and I'm like, there
Speaker 1: was all when I was a kid. There's always a
Speaker 1: place to go back to. There was always I'll see
Speaker 1: at Easter, both grandparents house, our house, it's a cousins.
Speaker 1: There was close family you can always get back to.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's that's you know, that steadies
Speaker 1: your soul. Like life's less trouble even if the people
Speaker 1: that you have to get back to are fucked up
Speaker 1: because they are, because they are. I mean, there's no
Speaker 1: perfect family. Your family is fucked up by anybody listening
Speaker 1: to this. If your family is perfect, just right in
Speaker 1: and tell me how you've chepd it. Ask them if
Speaker 1: they're adopting. Yeah, I'll be in um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean those things I think are they're studying, and I
Speaker 1: think it's hard to recognize sometimes in your life. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you have, you know, to bring that all
Speaker 1: full circle and be real melodramatic about it. Haunting is
Speaker 1: that way too. It steadies your own relationships but also
Speaker 1: studies your life a little bit, gives you, like a
Speaker 1: little perspective on on the what the old soul needs
Speaker 1: to feel like one to the only basis no question.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go get get therapy and talk
Speaker 1: through your issues. You can work them through on a
Speaker 1: freaking mountain. They go buy a growl growler from four
Speaker 1: or six to a podcast, or go hunting. But it
Speaker 1: is pretty astounding, And I think I'm excited for it
Speaker 1: because I'm excited for you to find that in Bozeman
Speaker 1: and that's something that we miss. We live here for
Speaker 1: a while and whether it's your little three D rchery
Speaker 1: league or the same group of guys that you go
Speaker 1: for a beer with a cookbook club or you're fishing buddies,
Speaker 1: there is a really good sense of community here, it seems.
Speaker 1: And just walking around town today, we just ran into
Speaker 1: so many people. Yeah, yeah, that's why we were talking
Speaker 1: about that. You know. One of the most exciting things
Speaker 1: for me and moving here was like, I think this
Speaker 1: place could be a community. And I said, I lived
Speaker 1: here for thirty years because I think it's a community.
Speaker 1: And my wife and I was talking about that. You know,
Speaker 1: you live in a place and you're there for work
Speaker 1: or you're trying to like adopt the culture, and it's
Speaker 1: a lot of effort make friends. It's a lot of effort.
Speaker 1: But when you get to a place where like I
Speaker 1: could smoothly fit into this without a whole lot of
Speaker 1: monkey wrenching. These are my people, I feel like I could,
Speaker 1: you know, I could be friends with them, They could
Speaker 1: be friends with me no matter what. I met somebody
Speaker 1: at the gym there earlier today and they were like,
Speaker 1: I had a b h a vest on there, like
Speaker 1: b H love b H A. And the next hour
Speaker 1: we set and talk for an hour. I did work out, said,
Speaker 1: is that dark for an hour? Um? So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's that kind of feeling that means something
Speaker 1: to me, like coming back to a place and be like,
Speaker 1: my it's my place. These are my people. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's important. And you know, hunting can provide that. It's
Speaker 1: fraud that from me in like an abstract way, but um,
Speaker 1: there's some things that are more like more important. In
Speaker 1: the cookbook club, this is a delicious way to make
Speaker 1: that happen. You can you can adopt that you should
Speaker 1: maybe should join our cookbook club. Maybe I'll take you,
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll take your spot. Are these nice people? They
Speaker 1: are the best people. They are talented, really good cooks, creative.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure. We did some wild game, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do wild game signature cocktails. Yeah, yes, we'll give
Speaker 1: me one. Let's close out with one signature cocktail. I
Speaker 1: just need. Yeah, I mean we're right there, sat Shore cocktail.
Speaker 1: Something that you my own personal or Adam Foss sheep
Speaker 1: tag special. Well, I don't know if this is a
Speaker 1: sheep take special, but I'm a fan of the Caesar.
Speaker 1: I am a big fan the Caesar salad or Caesar
Speaker 1: the not the salad. I'm not talking about the salad, folks.
Speaker 1: It was our signature cocktail at our wedding. Caesar, for
Speaker 1: those that don't know, is a Canadian cocktail invented in Calgary,
Speaker 1: Alberta in the late sixties the Palace Hotel. Stuckers got
Speaker 1: fifty eight years of history. That's what I'm talking about. Damn.
Speaker 1: Lots of people talk about a bloody Mary. Do you
Speaker 1: ever drink bloodies after a long night? It's bullshit. They
Speaker 1: got shipped on the Caesar. The bloody Mary's wicked cool cousin.
Speaker 1: It is clamato juice, which is clam and tomato juice vodka.
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to clmato of juice. Never had it?
Speaker 1: You probably have? You never? You know I have had
Speaker 1: a Seesar with you one of the shows. I know
Speaker 1: I've had one with you. Have We had a season
Speaker 1: and now listen, I was probably six whisky is deep
Speaker 1: when we started knocking these down. It might be. And
Speaker 1: the beauty of the Caesar is it is the hangover cocktail.
Speaker 1: And so let me break it down. Clamato juice, which
Speaker 1: is tomato juice and clam juice. You can't really get
Speaker 1: it in the States. It's a Canadian thing, or you
Speaker 1: gotta have it special ordered in not everybody has it
Speaker 1: all right, intriguing vodka, Worcester sauce, Oh, tabasco, Oh, salt
Speaker 1: and pepper rim the glass with a lime rim it
Speaker 1: in a little bit of a seasoning salt. And now
Speaker 1: you do a toothpick with a banana, pepper, spicy pickle, asparagus.
Speaker 1: People who put pepperoni or beef jerky, and I'm oh
Speaker 1: my god, I had one at this is where I
Speaker 1: had a Caesar with you. I'm remembering it was that
Speaker 1: sci Okay, we're in Vegas. It was breakfast at that
Speaker 1: wherever hotel it was. We had we like a really
Speaker 1: quick breakfast. Oh yeah, that was a Caesar. That's ship's good.
Speaker 1: There you go. I'd like to have a drunk someone
Speaker 1: don't even remember what he did? Do you remember that
Speaker 1: chicken on it? A piece of fried chicken? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: well listen, that's like yep. I think a challenge for
Speaker 1: the listener is to create your own Caesar based on
Speaker 1: the recipe that Adam just provided. Is there any other
Speaker 1: like main takeaway and the things you gotta do. There's
Speaker 1: a secret and sometimes you want to give away. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you think I trust? I'm gonna trust. Nobody's listening. No,
Speaker 1: we're the trust tree. We're in the nest. There is
Speaker 1: a secret among caesar enthusiasts and mixologists everywhere. My brother
Speaker 1: does this and he makes the best Season's kill sheep
Speaker 1: with a bow, so he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: He knows he's talking about a little bit of pickle
Speaker 1: juice like that and a little bit of horse radish
Speaker 1: if you like it spicy. I do like a spicy
Speaker 1: you will like one of the horse radish cream. You've
Speaker 1: got this salty savory drink and it's you start your
Speaker 1: night off with one, or it's a breakfast cocktail. You
Speaker 1: get an eggs benny in a Caesar and you're back
Speaker 1: at it. This is science, so it's real talk. Why
Speaker 1: don't we leave everybody with that? Tell me what you
Speaker 1: would put as garnish and what would you do to
Speaker 1: it and get creative with it. Yeah, you can do
Speaker 1: steak spice, turn it in like homework. That's right, let's
Speaker 1: do next week. All right? When this launches, you hit
Speaker 1: it here. You heard it here first, folks, Caesar two
Speaker 1: point now bring him. Maybe we'll do it on the
Speaker 1: next time. We'll do Caesars. Well, well, we'll make all
Speaker 1: the season recipes that where people said that halfway through
Speaker 1: we'll just be just so drunk and full of fried chicken, pickles, brisket.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad idea. It's the Southern season. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a Texas season. There you go. Well, thanks, sir.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your general badass now and if you if you, uh,
Speaker 1: if people want to see kind of your work, where
Speaker 1: what should they look at? They should check out brands
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Speaker 1: Fosse which is my last name, man the number eight
Speaker 1: fos eight eight. People call me fosse Man. People call
Speaker 1: me I call you that Sloan goes fast man. Fosse Man. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's just I like it. I do like it. You
Speaker 1: gotta pick that up over the way. I think there's
Speaker 1: people like you. If they just called you Adam. That's
Speaker 1: so many Adams, there's only one false man. That's right. Um,
Speaker 1: they can check some of that stuff out. And yeah,
Speaker 1: just see where the hell we are come hanging with
Speaker 1: us the wild Cheap Show. I'll buy you if I
Speaker 1: see you in your reference this podcast, I'll buy you
Speaker 1: a Caesar and you'll see you. Adam and I leaning
Speaker 1: up against the ball, that's right, trying to handle our Caesar's.
Speaker 1: That's right, Thanks sir, Thank you, all right, cheers, Cookbook
Speaker 1: night coming up. Thanks buddy, that's it. That's all Episode
Speaker 1: number twenty eight in the books, thanks to Adam Fass,
Speaker 1: great conversation, a great four oh six beer. H denote
Speaker 1: the fact that we're in Bozeman, Antana for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: That will be our new home for myself, my family
Speaker 1: and the podcast, so hopefully a lot it's good to
Speaker 1: come of that change. And thanks to everybody who's who's
Speaker 1: supported up by the way, as we moved up there
Speaker 1: and made a big road trip north and did our
Speaker 1: Texas podcast to say goodbye to that place. Really appreciate
Speaker 1: all the well wishers and the comments and the insight
Speaker 1: along the way. Uh, please go in the meantime, to
Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective dot com check out the podcast there.
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of good ones. As I said,
Speaker 1: the series of Texas podcasts that includes Wyman, Menser, Russell Cunningham,
Speaker 1: omar Vila, and our latest, Roy and Ryan Sears, the
Speaker 1: founders of Eddie Until next time when we'll be taking
Speaker 1: a trip at some point soon to Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: And during that trip we'll be talking to a lot
Speaker 1: of influential folks in politics and legislation and just some
Speaker 1: of my friends that live around there, and so stay
Speaker 1: tuned for that. We'll come on at next time, Unty.
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