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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome episode number unt Collective. I've been O'Brien

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Speaker 1: and this week joined by none other than Adam Fosse.

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Speaker 1: And why should you know Adam foss Well, there's a

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Speaker 1: ton of reasons. Uh. He is renowned in my mind.

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Speaker 1: He's a renowned filmmaker, a renowned photographer, one of the

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Speaker 1: best mountain hunters you'll ever meet, and one of the

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Speaker 1: best sheep hunters you'll ever meet, denoted by the fact

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Speaker 1: that he was the youngest sheep hunter ever get the

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Speaker 1: Grand Slam with a Bow. I believe he was twenty

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Speaker 1: four years of age, which is ridiculous. He came from

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Speaker 1: an ultimate mountain hunting badass family raised now Alberta, and

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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of stories to tell about hunting

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Speaker 1: with his dad and his brother and what that means

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Speaker 1: to them, their connection that led to his connection with

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Speaker 1: the hunting community, how that's changed his life and being

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Speaker 1: a part of my generation somebody I feel is my peer.

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Speaker 1: Adam also has a lot of insight on on how

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Speaker 1: he can do better going forward and what the hunting

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Speaker 1: community can benefit from the future. So, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: my friend Adam fo Hey, buddy, any how you doing good.

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Speaker 1: Now are you. I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. We're

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Speaker 1: currently in Montana and we're drinking beer from the apple

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Speaker 1: named four oh six Brewing Company. Yes, Sarah here in Bozeman. Um,

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Speaker 1: I like it? Do you like it? I really like it.

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Speaker 1: I like the kind of a hoppy floral. Yeah. Describe

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Speaker 1: the notes as you if you were to like hoppy

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Speaker 1: and flora. There's a little bit of citrus in there,

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Speaker 1: nice and light. You know, summer is kind of coming

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Speaker 1: to an end, and it's reminding me, it's bringing me back,

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Speaker 1: it's bringing me back to summers. Drank at all before

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Speaker 1: the podcasting, so I like to I like to make

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Speaker 1: sure everybody knows how much we're drinking, and if we're

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Speaker 1: drinking during these podcasts. Um, I feel like if you're

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Speaker 1: drinking while you're listening at the same sort of rate, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're just tracking along with Yeah. So if you have

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Speaker 1: a growler at home, you'll have to at this point,

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Speaker 1: you'll have to chug it to almost the bottom and

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Speaker 1: then you'll be right where we are and you'll be

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Speaker 1: feeling pretty good about life. Um, welcome back to Bozeman.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. You're a Canadian though full blooded, full

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Speaker 1: blooded Canadian. That's right. Trying to think of the Canadians

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Speaker 1: I've had on the podcast to see who see how

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Speaker 1: we can match the momp. Now we've had one Shane

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Speaker 1: Mahoney on the Shane Mahoney, Shane Mahoney. Who else? Adam

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Speaker 1: Yankee very well, I called Jankie for a long time,

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Speaker 1: so he corrected me. But you only were saying that

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Speaker 1: over email, so you couldn't tell you no I on

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Speaker 1: the podcast, because yes, because that's how I roll. I'm

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Speaker 1: still a Rednecks regardless of how I do this, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that might be it number three, the

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Speaker 1: third Canadians. I'll take it. Little known fact Adam and

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Speaker 1: my myself are in the same town up in British Columbia,

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Speaker 1: Colonal Colonna, British Columbia being the Montana of the North.

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Speaker 1: I think in terms of honeying opportunity, in terms of mountains,

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Speaker 1: public lands fishing, it's a pretty good comparison. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have every game species you ever want to chase.

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Speaker 1: Basic white tails they're there, meal deer they're there, black

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Speaker 1: bear yeah, grizzly bear don't hunt them though anymore. The elk, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two kinds sheep, three kinds, goats, one kind, moose, one kind. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is there a caribou, there is bison, Yeah, wild horse,

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Speaker 1: Got some mountain lions, bobcats. I think that's most of everything.

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Speaker 1: Some of the best fisheries in the world, that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you've got you've got black tails, You've got smule deer,

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Speaker 1: lots going on, and I feel h I feel jealous.

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Speaker 1: But now that I'm leaving to Monteina, this is my

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Speaker 1: first week in Monsana, and I see the people talking around, mean,

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Speaker 1: they talk like in a language that I've never heard before.

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Speaker 1: Or but there's these shared resources, but you can all

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Speaker 1: Everybody talks about it like, oh my god, we have this.

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Speaker 1: Have you been up? I have been up to the the castles,

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Speaker 1: You have been up Bear Creek? I don't know where

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Speaker 1: to be able to do the things that we do

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Speaker 1: of friends. How many years to take you to draw

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Speaker 1: I think there's a perspective that gets lost. And you know,

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Speaker 1: every everybody that haunts her fishes and and comes to

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Speaker 1: love it. You know, they have their own perspective, right,

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Speaker 1: Whitetail hunters. A lot of people hunt out of their backyard.

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Speaker 1: They hund the back forward, hunt on the farm, on

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Speaker 1: Everybody's like the purview of a regular hunter is pretty small,

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Speaker 1: right look around you. You have certain opportunities in certain places.

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Speaker 1: the opportunities are endless. And you could buy a combo

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Speaker 1: you see the people and you're like, these people don't

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Speaker 1: What what are they British Columbia one, two, three, whatever

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Speaker 1: over You've got the Rockies runn right through there. It's beautiful. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: describe your upbringing. I mean, I know, I know there's

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Speaker 1: And I think I just grew up following along. I

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Speaker 1: have a great relationship. And I'm not saying there's anything

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Speaker 1: always try to describe it as there's experiences that are

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Speaker 1: when that's over, what do you get from it? You

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Speaker 1: the same as riding a roller coaster. Who rather roller coaster?

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Speaker 1: But then so there's no residual effects from football in

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Speaker 1: residual effects from a roller coaster. But hunting in itself

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Speaker 1: there's this connective tissue with the food, of the experience,

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Speaker 1: This just like a three dimensional relationship to the point

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Speaker 1: You know, day one and your hike and you're like,

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00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm tired, I'll just stop, or I'm tired, I want

427
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: to stop. And then day three, day two, and you're like,

428
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: I wish I could get a shower. I'd really like

429
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: a shower. And then day three like I'd love a

430
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: lasagna that I'm not eating out of a bag. But

431
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: then day four you're like, funk this ship. I love it,

432
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't want any of that stuff anymore. So

433
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: like you take some time sometimes soon sometimes it takes

434
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: some sixs a week sometimes to just shake off the

435
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: comforts of society and just be there, just be in

436
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: the moment and be like this is gonna be tough,

437
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: but that's why I'm here. And for me, even just

438
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: just my lungs, my hip, my really is your brain

439
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: that's trying to tell you, like, remember that thing that

440
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: we were doing that was really comfortable. We'll go back

441
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: to that. We can still go back. We can call them,

442
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: the plane will come pick us up. We'll go back.

443
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: And three or four days into it, they're like, no,

444
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: turn them back now, exactly too deep, exactly too deep.

445
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: And that's beautiful. That reminds me of something Frankie said

446
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: on this it's my wife, um, Frankie said on this

447
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: last trip. And and we had this hunt plan. We

448
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: we walked in up this valley and then we punched

449
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: up in the alpine and we hunted this ridge and

450
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: looking at all these bowls, and we were pretty far

451
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: back into this spot, and it was cold and it snowed,

452
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: and and we end up killing this goat way far

453
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: back and and it turned into a total as they

454
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: do bush whack out. It took us three days to

455
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: bush whack this goat out point of the story. She

456
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: reflecting back on it, she said, well, it only started

457
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: to get really fun when it got hard, and I said, bingo,

458
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: because she was she was going, oh, this is cold,

459
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know, and we're not really seeing a

460
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: whole lot of rams. And she enjoyed it, but she

461
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: said it only really got fun when it got hard.

462
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: And I went to, holy sh it, you've learned more

463
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: from these few handful. She's been to Spain hunting Ibex

464
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: and Argentina red stick and she doesn't hunt herself. Let

465
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: me clarify, she's around glassing for animals and hiking around.

466
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: She's done these sheet hunts and Alberta for big horns,

467
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: and my brother and coat hunts in BC. And and

468
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: we're at we're at the end of the life of

469
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: this growler. Okay. I thought we had a lot of

470
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: beer this growler but started to evaporate. Yeah, there's a

471
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: hole in the bottom. Uh. Continue, And she was saying, hey,

472
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: it only got it only got good when it got hard,

473
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: And I said, wow, you've learned more about this stuff.

474
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: In a compressed amount of time than most people know

475
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: because and sometimes I find myself and this is why

476
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: we picked this hunt. We had a friend. This is

477
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: sort of an old as as all best hunting stories start, Well,

478
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: all the old pilots say that the biggest rams in

479
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: that range live here, all the old pilots, and and

480
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: so we both leaned in and said where, and he

481
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: said here, and he said it's about Yeah, it's about

482
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: k MA. Sure, you know, eighteen miles up the horse trail.

483
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Then you got to take a left and then it's

484
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: a couple more days back and then you drop in.

485
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: And anyways, this, this, this whole hunt was planned around

486
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: a good old fashioned hard mountain hunt. And that's kind

487
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: of what I was going for. And I think that

488
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: you think about ways to make it easier, better technology, lighter,

489
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: lighter boots and equipment and apparel and packs and higher

490
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: calorie foods, uh, bows and rifles that shoot farther and

491
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: more accurate. You think about ways to make it easier

492
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: and more efficient and better for the hunter. And we

493
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: sort of relearned that the beauty of and the challenge

494
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: of it isn't is how hard it is. And for

495
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: her to say that at her junior level of Jedi

496
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: hunting training was was pretty astounding, and she she didn't

497
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: miss a beat. She just she also said, the only

498
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: way out is out. What am I gonna do? We

499
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: gotta go out. That's the most beautiful thing about those trips.

500
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: How many times in your daily life do you get

501
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: to a point where I like, I either have to

502
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: do this or I don't. Like, I either have to

503
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: do this or I die, or I have to do

504
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: this or I'm here for the rest of my life,

505
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: Like I either whacked this thing out of here or

506
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: I've gotta drop all this stuff. But there's there's consequences

507
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: out there that are tougher and harder than consequences daily life.

508
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, I find even the hardest thing in my

509
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: daily life, you know, which is relatively simple, becomes this, like,

510
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: well I could do something else. It is one and

511
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: harder to do something than it is not to do it, right,

512
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: That is a fact. Yeah, And it's it's beautiful that

513
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: that Frankie's has kind of picked that up so quickly

514
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: because and the fact that you picked it up as

515
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: a child, I'm sure from your dad, who's who's you know,

516
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: As we said, a badass, you know, I don't know

517
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: that I didn't pick it up for my dad. But

518
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: but we lived in a different place. We didn't have sheep.

519
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: We we just had a white tailed deer, and it

520
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: was more of a communal thing. It was more of

521
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: a you know, sharing the meat, sharing the time, sharing

522
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: the family. There was less of a challenge to ourselves.

523
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: It's cold in the morning, of course, but that's sitting

524
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: true standing Cold's all right, It's nothing later till I

525
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: was later in life. So I started discovering this kind

526
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: of like perspective giving experience, and I was glad to

527
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: have it when I got it, but I wish I

528
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: had it sooner. And I think what the coolest thing

529
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: about hunting is is that there isn't very many activities

530
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: where there is so many there's a myriad of options

531
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: for progression, and it is such a personal journey. And

532
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about that in that hunt too,

533
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: because we I think it's really easy to compare ourselves

534
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: to other people at hunt in different states, on the internet,

535
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: on TV, and what's relative for that person is not

536
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: the same for you. For me, it is not the

537
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: same for you. And it's a personal quest It's one

538
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: of the only activities that is like that that I

539
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: can think of. That is it is, it is so personal,

540
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: and there's so many options. You can do it any

541
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: way you want, and you can always make it harder,

542
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: you can always make it easier, you can always make

543
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: it different. And you just talked about living just being

544
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: up here in Montana and all the public land that's available,

545
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: and you could never hunt out of a two hour

546
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: circle of Bozeman, Montana and probably hunt the same trail

547
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: twice or for the same species twice, and you start

548
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: thinking about that. He started zooming out and thinking about

549
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: ways to put a different spin on a hunt that

550
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: you've done. Or one thing that we've sort of gotten

551
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: into is taken newer people out to it and experience

552
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: it through their eyes, and there's just no it's just

553
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: an infinite life doesn't have enough years to be able

554
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: to experience all these things. And so I think that

555
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: it's truly just such a special thing about this thing

556
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: that we love to do, is that you can always

557
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: we can always do something different and make it harder.

558
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: And that journey is so personal, track yourself along through it,

559
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: and to see her starting on this journey and wherever

560
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: I am in this journey, whenever you are in this journey,

561
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: is it is something profound, And I just encourage everybody

562
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: to kind of remind themselves of that that it is.

563
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: It's it's about you, the way you want to do

564
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: it and how you want to do it, not anything

565
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: else when it comes to hunting, do you find I've

566
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: struggled with that concept for a lot of reasons. I

567
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: think social media has kind of given us all this

568
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 1: prism through which to shine the lights, right, you know,

569
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: this is what I do. But it's always the best ship.

570
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: You know. It's not like, oh I'm terrible at this,

571
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm a terrible medioc forgot my fucking

572
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: boot like that. It's always like I did that, I'm

573
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: so fit to kill the sheep. So that that is

574
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: a struggle too. But the personal experience, I think is

575
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: is a is a very positive thing for hunting, but

576
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: it can be a negative thing too because it is

577
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: such a personal experience. There isn't a scorecard, There isn't

578
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: an announcer saying what you're doing and when, and the

579
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: level of success that you that you glean I think

580
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: is most basically the how you feel when you first

581
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: lay hands or first lay eyes on that animal. You know,

582
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: you could kill the four bull and do it in

583
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: a way that's not pure to you and not feel

584
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: much when it's dead. You can kill a raghorn bull.

585
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: It took you fourteen days to hike too, It's gonna

586
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: take you three days to hike out it's still and

587
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: feel this immense satisfaction in that um. And so there's

588
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: so much different levels you can And then we get

589
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: into all these like how do we how do we

590
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a photographer, you're a videography You've been

591
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: a part of some amazing films. You've been a part

592
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: of some amazing photography, and uh, and then it's like,

593
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: how do we capture that? How do we tell this story?

594
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Because it's such a personal damn thing that if I

595
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: tell my own personal story it makes to somebody else

596
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: somewhere else it may seem like I'm an egotist, or

597
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: may seem like I don't care about the animal, But

598
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 1: really it's just your own perception love it. Yeah, And

599
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: I think that that's that's something that as hunters we

600
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: need to get better at because I'm I mean, it's

601
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: the same way when you hit the trade show floor,

602
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: or probably when you're hanging around a bar here in

603
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: Bozeman and you can see the light in somebody's eyes

604
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: when they say, hey, I called in this raghorn and

605
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: I shot him at eight yards and they can't even

606
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: get the rest of the story out, and your you go,

607
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: that is it? Or you see a guy that pulls

608
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: his phone out and goes, I want was this wants

609
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: to be seventy one? As fon as three forty? It

610
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: has kind of piste off that year and you go, whoa, whoa, whoa.

611
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: You you're missing the boat. You're missing the boat. And

612
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: I think the more that we can kind of drill

613
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: back to that that feeling of of connection and accomplishment

614
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: and really promote that, I think the better we're doing,

615
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: because because yeah, yeah, I just think that I want

616
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: to get back to that feeling, the feeling that you

617
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: had when you were sitting in a tree. Standard deer

618
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: comes over the first time, you just both fall out

619
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: of your trees and you're shaking so bad, Oh my god. Yeah,

620
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: And there's some purity to that, right, you know, we

621
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: always talk about purity score like what's yeah, you know

622
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: it is to me. You know, we've gotten twisted up

623
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: in a lot of subject matter, right as hunters, how

624
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: big the antlers are as a public landers de private?

625
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, how far did you go back? Did you

626
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: pack them out? You're driving a TV to him or whatever.

627
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: But all those things are like building blocks on which

628
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: you build your personal experience. Right, You're your wife has

629
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: been lucky enough to be married to a fucking mountain

630
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: hunting badass her experience. I don't know that she would

631
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: probably argue with you that that's not like you want

632
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: to push she probably she probably wish she was married

633
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: to a badass restaurant to her or something. He just stay,

634
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: you can relax, But yeah, I mean so her her.

635
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean, she's lucky to get that like initial experience

636
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: of hunting to come through your to your your prison

637
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: in the way that you see things and do things.

638
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people just aren't lucky to have that.

639
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: I my personal journey was very much like just a

640
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: regular regular hunting weekend warrior. It was all about me

641
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: and my dad, kind of me and my friends. That

642
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: was all. It was all kind of about that. But

643
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: then you know, I went away from hunting for a

644
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: while during college, and it just wasn't a big part

645
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: of life. They have a lot of opportunities. Was busy,

646
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: came back to it professionally and discovered this immense, vast

647
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: world that I fucking knew nothing about. I didn't even

648
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: have to work a shotgun when I got my first

649
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: job in the industry, and and I just remember thinking

650
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: that journey was essential to where I am right now,

651
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: to my my respect for the wilderness, my respect for

652
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: public land, my respect for coming to a place like

653
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: Montane and looking around and being at all. It wouldn't

654
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: have happened if it didn't happen that way. It doesn't

655
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 1: mean I'm a bad hunter, doesn't mean I'm a good hunter.

656
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: It just means that's the way it came to me,

657
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, And the way it came to you, Frankie,

658
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: was it was just as great a whole lot of

659
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: willows purple for the waist down. Um. So yeah, I

660
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: mean it's a deep it's a deep deal. But but

661
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: your experience very much was family oriented, and I would

662
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: say next level, right, I mean, sheep hunting is is

663
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: um it's not elitist, but very few people do it

664
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: are able to do it because it is a hard

665
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: thing to do, and then and it is, Uh, there's

666
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: not a lot of opportunities running around, so you're able

667
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: to achieve some things young in your life that maybe

668
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: not a lot of people have. Um, So give me

669
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: a rundown of kind of like when you were first

670
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: introduced to sheep hunting and then and how it grew

671
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: on you and how you kind of got a bit

672
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: of a reputation. I know you do. Can't you just

673
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: post it in the show like a show's notes shows

674
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: notes this guy. Now you gotta be able to talk

675
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: about yourself on the podcast. Gosh, but just run through

676
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. You don't have to give me the

677
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: full details. Okay, we'll get back. Well. Yeah, like I

678
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: grew up in southern alberta awesome opportunity for hunting just

679
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: about everything, including bighorn sheep in the can mor Bo zone.

680
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: So my dad grew up hunting that stuff. Um, I

681
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: should back up. I grew up hunting that stuff with

682
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: my dad. My dad and hunted that stuff back in

683
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: the day, in the nineties eighties when it was before

684
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff was on draw and you could could.

685
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he just got stories about those I mean

686
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: you should see something pictures actually the three pin site

687
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: where the pins are as big as a match stick,

688
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: and the pin that it's like your ten yard pin,

689
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: you're like fifteen yard pin, You're twenty yard pin. Is

690
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: it's down by the bottom camp. Yeah, and he said, oh, man,

691
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: if you would have seen some of the rams that

692
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: we missed. And the range finder, well, there was no

693
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: range finders and the first range finder was that split

694
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: split level thing. Yeah. I shouldn't needed to throw a

695
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: rope at him then pull a rope back exactly, but

696
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: he ran away. Okay, next time, next time. Uh. But anyways,

697
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: so grew up doing that, and it's just exposed to

698
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: the beauty of the country, and the country kind of

699
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: locks you in because I was actually straight in this

700
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: article about talking about climbing up and and walking through

701
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: the boulder fields and and the shale and then the

702
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: alpine scrub and then that first moment of emerging of

703
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: the alpine and just seeing cheap country. And you probably

704
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: experienced that in the Northwest territories. Yeah, very much. So

705
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: it's impactful. It's vast. You can just look at it

706
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: and it's almost like it's almost like a piece of

707
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: art that you're looking at. And the more that you

708
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: look at the piece of art painting, you see the

709
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: brush strokes, you see the cracks, and he's see the

710
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: way that this is laid out geographically, but also starts

711
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: to see it as as how an animal might see

712
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: it and see a little bit of water here and

713
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: sort of the shade this cliff is throwing, and maybe

714
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna go in there in the afternoon and this

715
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: black shale that they love pond their beds out and

716
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: bedding in, and oh there's I can start to see

717
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: some trails carved out, looks like they might go through

718
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: that pass, and you start to look at it, and

719
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: the more you look at them more it just it's

720
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: just sort of enthralling. And so that part of it

721
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: as much it is about the sheep hunting, it is

722
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: the country is just right there with it, and maybe

723
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: even more so. And I'm kind of making that argument,

724
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: I think to myself, I think so because you know,

725
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: sheep or not just like whey. I mean, they're wary,

726
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: but relative to other animals there there, they're not docile,

727
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: but they're you know, get after him pretty good. Yeah,

728
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: you can get after him beautiful country, in this rugged

729
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: country is right there along with these animals, and um

730
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: so I think that got into me right away, and

731
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: from there it just sort of evolved. And lucky enough

732
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: to have a father that was interested in it, took

733
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: me on hunts in the province, out of province. Um

734
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: same with my brother, followed along in his footsteps, and

735
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: just got to see it through the eyes of somebody

736
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: who it gets their heart going, it gets them repped up,

737
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: it gets it's all they can think about. And I

738
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: think about my brother in the way he is now

739
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: to this day, I mean, maybe even more obsessed than

740
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: he ever was, which is insane. Yeah, And I'm and

741
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm and Frankie and I were talking about this in

742
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: this last hunt too. I'm I'm kind of at this

743
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: point where I'm I'm trying to experience a bunch of

744
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: the stuff. Probably same to you. You You know, he talked

745
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: about your year last year. You're in Nepal and New

746
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Zealand and Hawaii and Northwest territories and every everywhere everywhere,

747
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: and you and and that's why I feel like I'm

748
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: kind of they're in that stage of, Hey, I want

749
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: to go hunting is a vehicle to take me to

750
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: all these places and meet all these cool people and

751
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: see these animals and the mountain landscapes they live in.

752
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm kind of like taking that approach,

753
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: and my brother is like focusing on the hardest possible

754
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: fucking ship I think you can do with the bow

755
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: in your hand and and which is awesome. And to

756
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: watch him push it and you know he's hunted. He

757
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: was the first bow hunter to kill and Ibex in Pakistan. Yeah,

758
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: and we're going to Tajikistan on Tuesday and he's going

759
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: to try and kill Marco Polo with a bow. Yeah,

760
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. There's a lot of sheet

761
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: and you gotta be kidding me, man, you gotta be joking.

762
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: That is legit. It's uh yeah, we'll see to do

763
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 1: it all the bow, I mean it just just the sacrifice,

764
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I know your brother has a family, correct, Yeah,

765
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: he's married kiddos, yes, none that he knows of. Yah.

766
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: It might have been one of those one of those

767
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: kids that last trip to Argentina a good time. Uh No,

768
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: But just to just to do it with with those guys,

769
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: my brother and my dad, just to see the way

770
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: they kind of operate and and like you said earlier,

771
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: you've following these footsteps and then you make your own path.

772
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: And for me, what what I've done is evolved and

773
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: have these experiences and looking for challenges and new places

774
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: and and I don't know, I don't I don't know

775
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: where it goes from here. And probably the same for you.

776
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: You go, well, what what what's next? Is It? Is

777
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: it the value I get from throwing a dart at

778
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: a map on a chunk of public land and going,

779
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: all right, I know nothing about this mountain range. I'm

780
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: gonna try and figure it out all my own. It

781
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: might take me four years to killable in there, but

782
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: when I do, no matter how big it is, it's

783
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: going to be satisfying. Yeah, I mean, I think the

784
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: beauty is that it's just a it's a like if

785
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: you're wandering a path you don't know. You know. For me,

786
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: and you know, there was a time in my life

787
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: where I decided that this was going to be my

788
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: profession right in some shape, way, shape or for no

789
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: I just decided I'm going to commit to the hunting industry,

790
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: the hunting community. That's gonna be my people, and that's

791
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: what that's what matters. And in the moment that I

792
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: decided that my my hunting life took these like ridiculous

793
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: turns that they probably should have never took, like things

794
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: I should never get to do. But at the same time,

795
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: like I felt like, hey, I'm earning them. You know this,

796
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: These are things that I, um, I'm not any better

797
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: at this than anybody else, but these are things that

798
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate in the moment and in hindsight and

799
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: any future adventures. But then your life changes, right. I

800
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: had a kid and in my life changed, um, and

801
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: when he got old enough to have an opinion, which

802
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: has been recent, I realized that I was never gonna

803
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: be truly happy in my pursuits if he wasn't top

804
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: of mind any future kids that might have. So that

805
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: that's my journey though. I went from coming into the

806
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: industry and the honey industry, not really know much about

807
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: ship haven being a hunter, but wearing coveralls and shooting

808
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: a bold action rifle and you know, loving the skin

809
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: and parties of my dad too, going on a ball

810
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: to shoot a blue sheep the funk out of here.

811
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: You know, yours is a little bit more direct, like

812
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: your dad led you down the path. Look, but shoot,

813
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean the place, the places you've been and things

814
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: you've done weren't mapped out for you. Everybody mapped that

815
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: ship out, tell people how to do, how to be

816
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: at m foss you know, how do you? How do you?

817
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: Because even in your business life, right, Yeah, in creating

818
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: content for brands, creating content for clients and the things

819
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: that you do, UM, you can't map it out. You

820
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: can't say, like your your creativity that the type of

821
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: photos you want to take, the equipment you're going to use,

822
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: it all just kind of like comes that just keeps coming. Yeah.

823
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: I think energy follows what you're focused on. You focus

824
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: on it, You focus on making an intentional shift to

825
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: build everything in your life around this direction that you're headed.

826
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: And it's amazing the way that things start to roll out, um,

827
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: and the opportunities that present themselves or that we're always

828
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: there that you just didn't really see until you made

829
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: this conscious choice to pursue something. And I'd like to

830
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: think that I mapped it all out and did it,

831
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: did did some goals and have really strategic plan, But

832
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: like you said, it was sort of focusing on what

833
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to do and how I wanted to do

834
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: it and less strategic man um, Yeah, I think five

835
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: of your plans are fucking bullshit because I think you

836
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: never had a destination. Right, But your dad and and

837
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: greatly so like set you on a path, right, My

838
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: dad set me on a hunting path. Our. Our starting

839
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: points couldn't be any anymore different if you try to

840
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: play some different points on the map. Right, somehow we

841
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: got some point when we're sitting in the room talking

842
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: about hunting, you know, and it's the path we were

843
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: set on, and we if I had have been like, well,

844
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: you know, the five year plan, not the five year

845
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: plan is here's what I'm gonna do Northroest Territories, kill Cariboo. Yeah,

846
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: I probably would have never got there. I might have,

847
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't have been it wouldn't have been a

848
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: serendipitous as what it was. I'm sure for you, the

849
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: same thing like you find yourself in Argentina Jason rids day.

850
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: I could never map that out. And people, actually, how

851
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: did you get to where you are today? I don't know. Yeah,

852
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: I just really like the hunt. I really like the hunt. Uh,

853
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: And it's cool and you talk about sort of the

854
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: perhaps some of the cons with the relative exposure to

855
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: perhaps social media and the way that hunting is presented.

856
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: I think about that a lot. I also think about

857
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: the connectivity to the hunting world that we have with

858
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: that tool and talking about hunting red stag. Two people

859
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: that have gotten a hunt with the Patagony River guides

860
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: Rants and Travis that run a fishing outfit and had

861
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: a fishing lease and said, holy ship, there's some monster

862
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: red stags that we were start hunting these things and

863
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: then I really good friend. It's it's just have come

864
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: really close with him and haven't spent a lot of

865
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: time with him other than hunting Um Santiago Um down

866
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: in Argentina. We hunted red stag with him, and it's

867
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's like, I would never know these

868
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: guys existed without this this sort of tool for outreach.

869
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: And so it's a double edged sword to it's it's

870
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: a challenge that I find myself. Maybe you're the same,

871
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: but you think about how much that warps our sense

872
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: of of value and just peace with what our lives

873
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: are and we don't have to compare every single thing

874
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: that we do. And on the other hand, there's these positive,

875
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: deep relationships that we've made. Because somebody saw a picture

876
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: on some Instagram posts that a brand shared and they said, hey,

877
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: would you ever consider coming hunting red Stack? Then you

878
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: had a friend, and you have a friend and the

879
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: total side. The people in Argentina are awesome. They are.

880
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: They are the type of people that if you invite

881
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: them two, if you said, hey, come on up and

882
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: hunt out right now, if they could, they would, and

883
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: they would sleep on that couch right there, that's three weeks.

884
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: That's my type of that's my type of people. And

885
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: vice versa. You're down there, come in, They'll give you

886
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: the shirt off their back. And it feels like that

887
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: New zealand other places like there's just like little cultures

888
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: that have maintained this ethic. I agree, I agreed. I

889
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: think that's something perhaps maybe in North America, maybe we're

890
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: just tight wads or I don't know what it is,

891
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: but there's just so many cool people out there that

892
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: hunting has connected me with and I'm so fortunate, and

893
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's totally a pay up forward type thing.

894
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: We were just doing this trip up in northern BC.

895
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: Um Blacktails and we were cruising around. Oh man, it's

896
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: just like a long story. But this guy, we're looking

897
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: for the spot we wanted to get in the Alpine.

898
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: Talked to this guy. He was cutting this logging road

899
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, he kind of waves us over,

900
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: and we're going, I don't know if we're supposed to

901
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: be here, and we're looking for this trailhead and we

902
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: drive up and he goes, hey, what are you guys

903
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: doing And he said, well, we're, um, we're deer hunting.

904
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: And he went, oh, well, you guys should go over there.

905
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: He said really and he said, oh yeah, I see

906
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: him up there all the time. And he goes, oh, no,

907
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: you got across the bay on a boat. Well that's okay,

908
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: I got I got my boat. You guys go grab it.

909
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: It's the blue one. And we were going, what's your name,

910
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: what's your address or what's your phone number? Here? Do

911
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: you want us to leave anything with you is collateral?

912
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: He said, just take my boat. I don't give a ship.

913
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: So that's something I think is in the North you

914
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: might have experienced that a little time up there. Of course,

915
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: it's of course maybe in South America New Zealand. It

916
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: seems like European people are like that sometimes. And um,

917
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, going off on a tangent, but I

918
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: would say this, man, I always think about life in

919
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: the place I live, and I've lived in a few places,

920
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: like what is the culture of the neighbor? Right? I

921
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: always go back to the culture of what a neighbor

922
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: is in America right now, a lot of places I've lived,

923
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: a neighbor as a person you're either annoyed by or

924
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: you give the courtesy wave to. And that's the culture. Now.

925
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: It's not everywhere, but funk all, it's a lot of places.

926
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: And the neighbor in New York City is somebody that

927
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: you yell at or ignore or have to wait in

928
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: line behind to get a coffee. Right, But there's other

929
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: places in the world where the neighbor is this like,

930
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's you are now part of a community.

931
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: The culture of the neighbor is uplifting, it's sharing, it's giving,

932
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: it's sleep on my couch and stup in your couch.

933
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: That's the culture of the neighbor. We have fucking lost

934
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: My dad his culture. He's like, dude. When I was

935
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: a kid, I'd run around the neighborhood and they just

936
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: let us go in whatever. How we just run in

937
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: somebody's house and who they are, run out, We don't care.

938
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: Have a cookie leaves like that. That is to eat

939
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: people randomies. You can't be eating random cook those cookies.

940
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're in those cookies. Yeah, yeah,

941
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: it could be good. But there's this you know, we're

942
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: more connected, right, we're more connected than ever you were

943
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: able to connect somebody across the world, but then have

944
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: a relationship that was built on disconnect, which is this

945
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: oxymoronic activity that we do because we're just we're in

946
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: we're like little babies when it comes to communicating because

947
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: we're just got this tool not too long ago, the

948
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: tool of social media and internet and instant communication anybody

949
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: around the world all time. So we just got that

950
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: in the spain of human communication that's been like maybe

951
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: less than one percent of the time. That's a world

952
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: a baby with that ship. We're terrible, Like we get frustrated,

953
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: we're like fuck you when we're on the internet. But

954
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: it's not you know, but it also can lead to

955
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: awesome things. So it's it's it's it's as oxymronic. Is

956
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: some of these cultures can can be and I've found

957
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: the Hawaiian culture. I don't know why. It's islands definitely.

958
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: You feel like islands that you do. You just said this.

959
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: You have to get on the boat to leave or

960
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: a plane to leave. So we're all got we're all

961
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: together on this floating little piece of land and New

962
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: Zealand Australia. It's hard to get stuff. It's hard to

963
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: get stu from the north. It's hard to get stuff

964
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: on islands. You got a trade, you need a cup

965
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: of sugar, you need a couple of extra arrows. If

966
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: you ran out, you go to your neighbor. That's where

967
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: it's That's where it's so much more connected. It seems

968
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: like you can't Amazon Prime ship to the north coast

969
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: of BC. Did you ever do you ever think about people?

970
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: Do you ever think about the fact that you can

971
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: live in this society and in Bosan, Montana and never

972
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: leave your house and live very productive life. You can

973
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: never leave your house. You can get all the food

974
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: you need, all the shelter you need, You have people,

975
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: all the relationships you need, you can see people in

976
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: video chat. Never leave your house and you could be

977
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: the productive you could be a CEO of a company

978
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: never leave your house, not one time? How scary is

979
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: that definition productive definition of? But as our society grades

980
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: the game and of like what's a good person, it

981
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: would be like, well, I have a job, right, I've

982
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: got a family, I've got friends. I just don't ever

983
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: leave the house. I'm gonna die and here my cats

984
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: are gonna eat me. But they always have cats, they

985
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: always Why do they have cats? Are the cats? Yeah?

986
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's That's a big part of

987
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: what I think about, is what our society allows us

988
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: to do. But then what what told does it exact

989
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: for that allowance? You know, we can do kind of

990
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: whatever we want. Technologies allowed us to do a lot

991
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: of things, but it also exact toll in our humanity

992
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: takes a little bit away, It takes a little bit

993
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: weight of our connective tissue along the way, and honey

994
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: fucking gives it back. Hey, I think we solved all

995
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: the world's problems. Well, I mean, the growler is empty,

996
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: you're about you have to go to you have to

997
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: leave and go to a I think that I thought

998
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: was cool when you're telling me earlier, Ah, your wife

999
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: and yourself. Yeah, the group of friends. You do what's

1000
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: called a cookbook night, cookbook club, cookbook club, which is

1001
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: even better because it's not just one night's right, I

1002
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: guess if he cooks right, you pick a cookbook, right,

1003
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: just a single cookbook. Now, do you pick a different

1004
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: cookbook every time? Or you cycle through this. There's actually

1005
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: a pitch week. Everybody brings a cookbook. You pitch your cookbook,

1006
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: the group votes on the cookbook. Once that cookbook is selected,

1007
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: the group will cook dishes out of that cookbook for

1008
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: maybe four times, until we've cooked everything through it or

1009
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: everything that looks good. And so you'll bring an entree,

1010
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: I'll bring an appetizer, somebody will bring a dessert, all

1011
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: from this cookbook. And we'll meet once a month usually,

1012
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: And it's basically an excuse to drink wine. Yeah, I

1013
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: was good cocktails. I guarantee you're drinking dirty. There's no

1014
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: way you're sitting around having tea. There's some food, you know,

1015
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: and there is. What it does is it makes you

1016
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: cook Korean food, Icelandic food, old school home cooking, Italian food,

1017
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: and things that you would never just sits there. I mean,

1018
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: I cycle through tacos, pasta elk steaks and then I

1019
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: probably do it all over again. That's about three things.

1020
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: I know, three things I can make, and that is it.

1021
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: And I think that it just gets you. It just

1022
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: gets you out doing something different and we all meet

1023
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: over food. The kitchen is where everybody gathers at a party. Um.

1024
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: Food is where stories are told. And so I can't

1025
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that we had this grand plan.

1026
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: It was a friend of ours who came up with it,

1027
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: but it was actually really cool and his friendships were

1028
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: evil and we knew. The nice thing is anytime in

1029
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: this day and age and to travel that you do

1030
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: and I do that. When you say bye to a

1031
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: friend and you know the next time you're going to

1032
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: see him, that is a good feeling. It's like when

1033
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: you say bye to relative and you say, I know

1034
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you at Grandpa Tim's birthday, or I'm

1035
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: gonna see at Christmas. You have these Christmas, Thanksgiving, you

1036
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: have Easter. Maybe you have these gathering points with family

1037
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: that you know you're gonna see them. And now as

1038
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: an adult, we're in our thirties, we get to choose

1039
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: our family and our friends and we get to say hey,

1040
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it a priority to spend time with

1041
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 1: these people. We love them like family. And I think

1042
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: that that feeling this cookbook little cookbook club thing. To

1043
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,479
Speaker 1: have that feeling and to have a reason to get

1044
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: together and say hey, I'll see you next month is

1045
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: awesome ship that feeds the soul. Man not to get

1046
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: too dramatic about it, but as I like, I got

1047
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: a pretty steady soul, I think, like, I don't. I'm

1048
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: not too you know, sketchy own life. I think I

1049
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: got it. I'm pretty grounded. I'm like, I know what

1050
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: i want to do. I'm happy with this. I'm not

1051
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: happy with that. I'm not. You don't need to see

1052
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: a therapist and talk through any of this ship. And

1053
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: I wonder why that is a lot of times, because

1054
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm not any better than anybody else. But then I

1055
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: think back to my family life and I'm like, there

1056
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: was all when I was a kid. There's always a

1057
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: place to go back to. There was always I'll see

1058
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: at Easter, both grandparents house, our house, it's a cousins.

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: There was close family you can always get back to.

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00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's that's you know, that steadies

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00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: your soul. Like life's less trouble even if the people

1062
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: that you have to get back to are fucked up

1063
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: because they are, because they are. I mean, there's no

1064
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: perfect family. Your family is fucked up by anybody listening

1065
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: to this. If your family is perfect, just right in

1066
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: and tell me how you've chepd it. Ask them if

1067
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: they're adopting. Yeah, I'll be in um. But yeah, I

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00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: mean those things I think are they're studying, and I

1069
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: think it's hard to recognize sometimes in your life. But yeah,

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00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: I mean you have, you know, to bring that all

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00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: full circle and be real melodramatic about it. Haunting is

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00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: that way too. It steadies your own relationships but also

1073
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: studies your life a little bit, gives you, like a

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00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: little perspective on on the what the old soul needs

1075
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: to feel like one to the only basis no question.

1076
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: You don't have to go get get therapy and talk

1077
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: through your issues. You can work them through on a

1078
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: freaking mountain. They go buy a growl growler from four

1079
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: or six to a podcast, or go hunting. But it

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00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: is pretty astounding, And I think I'm excited for it

1081
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: because I'm excited for you to find that in Bozeman

1082
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: and that's something that we miss. We live here for

1083
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: a while and whether it's your little three D rchery

1084
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: league or the same group of guys that you go

1085
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: for a beer with a cookbook club or you're fishing buddies,

1086
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: there is a really good sense of community here, it seems.

1087
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: And just walking around town today, we just ran into

1088
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: so many people. Yeah, yeah, that's why we were talking

1089
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: about that. You know. One of the most exciting things

1090
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: for me and moving here was like, I think this

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00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: place could be a community. And I said, I lived

1092
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: here for thirty years because I think it's a community.

1093
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: And my wife and I was talking about that. You know,

1094
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: you live in a place and you're there for work

1095
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: or you're trying to like adopt the culture, and it's

1096
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of effort make friends. It's a lot of effort.

1097
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: But when you get to a place where like I

1098
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: could smoothly fit into this without a whole lot of

1099
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: monkey wrenching. These are my people, I feel like I could,

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00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, I could be friends with them, They could

1101
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: be friends with me no matter what. I met somebody

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00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: at the gym there earlier today and they were like,

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00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: I had a b h a vest on there, like

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00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: b H love b H A. And the next hour

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00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: we set and talk for an hour. I did work out, said,

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01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: is that dark for an hour? Um? So yeah, I

1107
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: mean it's it's that kind of feeling that means something

1108
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: to me, like coming back to a place and be like,

1109
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: my it's my place. These are my people. Yeah, and

1110
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: that's important. And you know, hunting can provide that. It's

1111
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: fraud that from me in like an abstract way, but um,

1112
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: there's some things that are more like more important. In

1113
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: the cookbook club, this is a delicious way to make

1114
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: that happen. You can you can adopt that you should

1115
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: maybe should join our cookbook club. Maybe I'll take you,

1116
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll take your spot. Are these nice people? They

1117
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: are the best people. They are talented, really good cooks, creative.

1118
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure. We did some wild game, Yeah,

1119
01:00:53,080 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: we do wild game signature cocktails. Yeah, yes, we'll give

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01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: me one. Let's close out with one signature cocktail. I

1121
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: just need. Yeah, I mean we're right there, sat Shore cocktail.

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01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: Something that you my own personal or Adam Foss sheep

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Speaker 1: tag special. Well, I don't know if this is a

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01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: sheep take special, but I'm a fan of the Caesar.

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01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: I am a big fan the Caesar salad or Caesar

1126
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: the not the salad. I'm not talking about the salad, folks.

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01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: It was our signature cocktail at our wedding. Caesar, for

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01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: those that don't know, is a Canadian cocktail invented in Calgary,

1129
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: Alberta in the late sixties the Palace Hotel. Stuckers got

1130
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: fifty eight years of history. That's what I'm talking about. Damn.

1131
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: Lots of people talk about a bloody Mary. Do you

1132
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: ever drink bloodies after a long night? It's bullshit. They

1133
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: got shipped on the Caesar. The bloody Mary's wicked cool cousin.

1134
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: It is clamato juice, which is clam and tomato juice vodka.

1135
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to clmato of juice. Never had it?

1136
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: You probably have? You never? You know I have had

1137
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: a Seesar with you one of the shows. I know

1138
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: I've had one with you. Have We had a season

1139
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: and now listen, I was probably six whisky is deep

1140
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: when we started knocking these down. It might be. And

1141
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: the beauty of the Caesar is it is the hangover cocktail.

1142
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: And so let me break it down. Clamato juice, which

1143
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: is tomato juice and clam juice. You can't really get

1144
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: it in the States. It's a Canadian thing, or you

1145
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: gotta have it special ordered in not everybody has it

1146
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: all right, intriguing vodka, Worcester sauce, Oh, tabasco, Oh, salt

1147
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: and pepper rim the glass with a lime rim it

1148
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: in a little bit of a seasoning salt. And now

1149
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: you do a toothpick with a banana, pepper, spicy pickle, asparagus.

1150
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: People who put pepperoni or beef jerky, and I'm oh

1151
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: my god, I had one at this is where I

1152
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: had a Caesar with you. I'm remembering it was that

1153
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: sci Okay, we're in Vegas. It was breakfast at that

1154
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,479
Speaker 1: wherever hotel it was. We had we like a really

1155
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: quick breakfast. Oh yeah, that was a Caesar. That's ship's good.

1156
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: There you go. I'd like to have a drunk someone

1157
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: don't even remember what he did? Do you remember that

1158
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: chicken on it? A piece of fried chicken? Yes? Okay,

1159
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: well listen, that's like yep. I think a challenge for

1160
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: the listener is to create your own Caesar based on

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01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: the recipe that Adam just provided. Is there any other

1162
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: like main takeaway and the things you gotta do. There's

1163
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: a secret and sometimes you want to give away. Well,

1164
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: what do you think I trust? I'm gonna trust. Nobody's listening. No,

1165
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: we're the trust tree. We're in the nest. There is

1166
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: a secret among caesar enthusiasts and mixologists everywhere. My brother

1167
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,959
Speaker 1: does this and he makes the best Season's kill sheep

1168
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: with a bow, so he knows what he's talking about.

1169
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: He knows he's talking about a little bit of pickle

1170
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: juice like that and a little bit of horse radish

1171
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: if you like it spicy. I do like a spicy

1172
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: you will like one of the horse radish cream. You've

1173
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: got this salty savory drink and it's you start your

1174
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: night off with one, or it's a breakfast cocktail. You

1175
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: get an eggs benny in a Caesar and you're back

1176
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: at it. This is science, so it's real talk. Why

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01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: don't we leave everybody with that? Tell me what you

1178
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: would put as garnish and what would you do to

1179
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: it and get creative with it. Yeah, you can do

1180
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: steak spice, turn it in like homework. That's right, let's

1181
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: do next week. All right? When this launches, you hit

1182
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: it here. You heard it here first, folks, Caesar two

1183
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: point now bring him. Maybe we'll do it on the

1184
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: next time. We'll do Caesars. Well, well, we'll make all

1185
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: the season recipes that where people said that halfway through

1186
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: we'll just be just so drunk and full of fried chicken, pickles, brisket.

1187
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: That's not a bad idea. It's the Southern season. That's yeah,

1188
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: that's a Texas season. There you go. Well, thanks, sir.

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01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate your general badass now and if you if you, uh,

1190
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,919
Speaker 1: if people want to see kind of your work, where

1191
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: what should they look at? They should check out brands

1192
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: that I'm fortunate to work for, sick of gear, Yettie Stone,

1193
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: Glacier backpacks, Gerber knives and tools, fishing tools. Um, check

1194
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: out what those guys are doing. Are my Instagram handles.

1195
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: Fosse which is my last name, man the number eight

1196
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: fos eight eight. People call me fosse Man. People call

1197
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: me I call you that Sloan goes fast man. Fosse Man. Okay,

1198
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: that's just I like it. I do like it. You

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01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: gotta pick that up over the way. I think there's

1200
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: people like you. If they just called you Adam. That's

1201
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: so many Adams, there's only one false man. That's right. Um,

1202
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: they can check some of that stuff out. And yeah,

1203
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: just see where the hell we are come hanging with

1204
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: us the wild Cheap Show. I'll buy you if I

1205
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: see you in your reference this podcast, I'll buy you

1206
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: a Caesar and you'll see you. Adam and I leaning

1207
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: up against the ball, that's right, trying to handle our Caesar's.

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01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: That's right, Thanks sir, Thank you, all right, cheers, Cookbook

1209
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: night coming up. Thanks buddy, that's it. That's all Episode

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Speaker 1: number twenty eight in the books, thanks to Adam Fass,

1211
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: great conversation, a great four oh six beer. H denote

1212
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: the fact that we're in Bozeman, Antana for the foreseeable future.

1213
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: That will be our new home for myself, my family

1214
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: and the podcast, so hopefully a lot it's good to

1215
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: come of that change. And thanks to everybody who's who's

1216
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: supported up by the way, as we moved up there

1217
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: and made a big road trip north and did our

1218
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: Texas podcast to say goodbye to that place. Really appreciate

1219
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: all the well wishers and the comments and the insight

1220
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: along the way. Uh, please go in the meantime, to

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01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective dot com check out the podcast there.

1222
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of good ones. As I said,

1223
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: the series of Texas podcasts that includes Wyman, Menser, Russell Cunningham,

1224
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: omar Vila, and our latest, Roy and Ryan Sears, the

1225
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: founders of Eddie Until next time when we'll be taking

1226
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: a trip at some point soon to Washington, d C.

1227
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: And during that trip we'll be talking to a lot

1228
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: of influential folks in politics and legislation and just some

1229
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 1: of my friends that live around there, and so stay

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Speaker 1: tuned for that. We'll come on at next time, Unty.

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Speaker 1: Collected by and In Christ mst and