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Speaker 2: But enough with that, Let's get to the show.

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Speaker 3: Everything.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 4: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: We have the very latest everything we know about that

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Speaker 1: crazy situation in Russia that we covered with breaking news

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Speaker 1: over the weekends. We'll break that down for you. We

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Speaker 1: also have the White House getting pressed on new revelations

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Speaker 1: about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden potentially involved in business

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Speaker 1: So we'll tell you all about that. We've got some

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Speaker 1: new polling, both in the Republican primary and also for

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Speaker 1: the general election, both of which are very interesting. As

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Speaker 1: Trump and Christie a bunch of others went to this

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Speaker 1: Faith and Freedom conference that was here in DC. So

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Speaker 1: we've got some highlights from that, a horrific training realment.

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Speaker 1: It looks like what happened in Yellowstone is that a

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Speaker 1: we know there. And this one we had to give

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Speaker 1: you the final update on this, the submersible that apparently imploded,

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Speaker 1: killing everyone on board. Well turns out that the Navy

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Speaker 5: So we have those details for you.

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Speaker 1: Also excited to get a report from the ground in

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Speaker 1: Moscow about exactly what it was like to live through this.

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Speaker 1: You aborted coup over the weekend where there were the

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Speaker 1: Wagner group was marching towards Moscow, got with it in

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Speaker 1: Yegor Kotkin on to talk about all of that.

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Speaker 5: But before we get.

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Speaker 1: To any of that, Sager, Yes, we have a situation

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Speaker 1: unfolding here for breaking points, which is that Sager is

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Speaker 1: leaving after tomorrow's show for India for the first of

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Speaker 1: two wedding ceremonies with your grandparents and relatives there first

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Speaker 1: one and we are tantalizingly close to a million subs.

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Speaker 1: Do you have the official count this morning?

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Speaker 4: Go ahead and pull out.

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Speaker 2: The official count as of right now is nine hundred

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Speaker 1: So now, my friend, it is my understanding that you

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Speaker 1: have made an ill advised deal.

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Speaker 4: I've decided.

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Speaker 1: I decided if we get to a million subs before

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Speaker 2: Of show maybe, because what do you.

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Speaker 1: Pulling that off, well, I have to say, yeah, we'll

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Speaker 5: This one to build from.

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Speaker 1: Scratch, from literally subscriber zero on our own'll that'll be

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Speaker 5: So absolutely excited. Help us get their guys.

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Speaker 1: Hit the subscribe button and you know, send Sager off,

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Speaker 2: Some people are getting their family members to do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not encouraging that.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm encouraging it.

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Speaker 2: Some people are also creating fake Gmail accounts.

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Speaker 4: It is what it is.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and violate terms of service.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's what I have heard of others

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's go ahead and get to the

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Speaker 4: Let's gohea and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: We want to give everybody the final details, or at

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Speaker 4: He will now leave Russia for Belarus.

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Speaker 2: Wagner fighters who did not take part in the uprising

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Speaker 2: There is not currently any word on potential mood leadership changes.

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Speaker 2: What he means by that, Crystal is that the initial

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Speaker 2: This is actually Pregosian leaving to cheers and an adulating

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Speaker 2: It off so close in twenty four hours? It seems,

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Speaker 1: mercenary army. The big question everyone has is, if you're Progsion,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, let's go to the next part here

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Speaker 4: Yeah you think so.

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Speaker 4: What we have to prefer Putin.

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Speaker 2: Pregosion is a bloodthirsty, war criminal, insane person, egomaniac. All

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Speaker 2: And whenever we look, I mean, look, you've said that before.

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Speaker 2: We believe a genocidal dictator, a brutal man should have

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Speaker 2: a rosy and a nice choice that we have to make.

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Speaker 2: And actually some friends and I were talking in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the coup and we were thinking about prospective action. Realistically,

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Speaker 2: what would have happened if Wagner got close enough to

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Speaker 2: Moscow to gain control of the nuclear arsenal. Almost certainly

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Speaker 2: crystal we would have had to do. If anybody doesn't

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Speaker 2: know about the brox Or rebellion inside of China, the

446
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Speaker 2: Western Powers actually interfered and invaded or inserted themselves in

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Speaker 2: this situation in that Boxer rebellion, specifically to prop up

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Speaker 2: the regime that was more friendly to its trading relationship.

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Speaker 2: My point being that there almost certainly would have been

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Speaker 2: some international action should Pregosian have actually gotten close enough

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Speaker 2: to gain control of the Russian nuclear arsenal, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: probably would have been Beijing. Beijing probably would have come

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Speaker 2: in and just been like, we're taken over, We're in

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Speaker 2: control now. In terms of putin, they would have propped

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Speaker 2: them up like some Mussolini type figure.

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Speaker 4: But it could have been the West.

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Speaker 2: You know, almost certainly these are disaster scenarios that we

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Speaker 2: should have looked at. So look, I mean, instability in

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Speaker 2: Russia is good to a point, but when we get

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Speaker 2: to the point where somebody is two hundred kilometers away, yeah,

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Speaker 2: from taking over, I thought nuclear arsenal. Then I think

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Speaker 2: it was very irresponsible for them to let this happen

463
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Speaker 2: if they knew that it was going to For the

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Speaker 2: very reason that you know this what's going on in

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Speaker 2: Ukraine is a side show in terms of our interests.

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Speaker 2: Russian nukes in the hands of a genuine madman, yes,

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Speaker 2: that is a whole other level.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I agree. Even the Podsave bros Were like,

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Speaker 1: you can't cheer for this brutal war criminal, mercenary psychopath

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Speaker 1: to take control. The first in the last thought has

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Speaker 1: to be what about the nukes? I mean, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Like I wish that we could take into account a

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Speaker 1: variety of other factors related to human life and what

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Speaker 1: the Russian people deserve and what Ukrainian people deserve, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But when you're talking about a nuclear arm superpower, the

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Speaker 1: first and last consideration has to be what about the nukes?

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Speaker 2: And we know with.

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Speaker 1: Putin for all his many flaws, and not to say

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Speaker 1: that this is any guarantee of what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: in the future.

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Speaker 2: We have not had a nuclear war, hasn't used him yet,

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Speaker 2: which you know, pregosion better.

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Speaker 1: Off wild card. Yeah, we don't know, right, we have

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Speaker 1: no idea. So I one hundred percent agree with you.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, it's not like they would have

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Speaker 1: had to So you referenced they should have done what

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Speaker 1: they did before the Ukraine War invasion, where they announced publicly,

488
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Speaker 1: here's our intelligence, and here's our understanding of what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen, trying to forestall these events or at least

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Speaker 1: trying to prepare everyone to muster some sort of defense

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Speaker 1: for Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: You wouldn't have had to do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they could have bat channeled to the Russians, right,

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Speaker 1: the intelligence that we had. Now, it's possible that Putin

495
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Speaker 1: actually knew what was in the works, you know, it

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Speaker 1: is possible that he'd be.

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Speaker 2: An idiot to know. Right, We've been looking at this

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Speaker 2: guy for months, right, well.

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Speaker 1: And you know in those leaked documents, the discord leaks.

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Speaker 1: They showed the US had intercepted communications between senior Russian

501
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Speaker 1: military leaders debating how to handle progotions constant demands for

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Speaker 1: more ammunition. They knew they were pushing him to the

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Speaker 1: edge by basically putting Wagner under shoygu which one analyst

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Speaker 1: described as an absolute no go for pregosion. So it's

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Speaker 1: not like they were blind to the tensions here. It's

506
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Speaker 1: not like they were blind to the risks here. So

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Speaker 1: it is actually possible that they knew something like this

508
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Speaker 1: was in the works, they just were unable to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to mobilize against it. But yes, the fact

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Speaker 1: that the US decided to take this incredible gamble and

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Speaker 1: cross their fingers and hope that you don't end up

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Speaker 1: with this absolute madman and total chaos and Russia devolving

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Speaker 1: into complete civil war, that they decided to just let

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Speaker 1: this all unfold and let the chips fall.

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Speaker 5: Where they may.

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Speaker 1: I think it's wildly, wildly irresponsible. And look, the gamble

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Speaker 1: worked out for him, right, Your hand is stronger, Ukrainian

518
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Speaker 1: hand is strong.

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Speaker 5: They're no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, the way that this went down with Putin being

522
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Speaker 1: humiliated and weakened but still in power. Is exactly the

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Speaker 1: best case scenario for the you know, the Western Alliance

524
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Speaker 1: and Ukraine, who now faces a weakened opponent with some

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Speaker 1: of their most hardened battle adversaries basically taken out of play.

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Speaker 1: But there was no guarantee that this was going to

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Speaker 1: be how this all shook out.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think you're right, and you know, look, I

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Speaker 2: get it. It's actually a very tough situation if you're

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Speaker 2: in that because you know they're not wrong, which is

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Speaker 2: that the Putin would have said, oh, like this is

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Speaker 2: being orchestrated or whatever by the West. They're saying that anyway, Yeah,

533
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Speaker 2: but exactly guess what immediately when it launched, they were like,

534
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Speaker 2: this is the puppet of the West and all that.

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Speaker 2: It Also, you know, it does raise kind of an

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Speaker 2: interesting question is like, well, has the US intelligence community

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Speaker 2: ever had any communications with Pregosian. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to rule it out or put it

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Speaker 2: outside the realm of possibility. And that's another very interesting

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Speaker 2: one as to like what's going on here kind of

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Speaker 2: reminds me the assassination plot around President DM and South Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: But the point is is that the results could have

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Speaker 2: been horrific and disastrous, and it was, even though it

544
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Speaker 2: was a tough situation, and it is genuinely a tough call.

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Speaker 2: If they knew about it and just did nothing, that

546
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Speaker 2: was a choice by the US administration. We shouldn't forget that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I do want to say on that point,

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Speaker 1: because I think this is important, is do I put

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Speaker 1: it out of the realm of possibility that the US

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Speaker 1: had some hand behind the scenes. Of course not, of

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Speaker 1: course I don't put that on the realm of possibility.

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Speaker 1: But I see people very confidently asserting that that's what

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Speaker 1: happened here. And you can't just like you can't just

555
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Speaker 1: look at who benefits and say, oh, there must have

556
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Speaker 1: been a role. There must not everything is about us, right,

557
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Speaker 1: Russia is perfectly capable of having their own internal strife

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Speaker 1: and conflict that is separate and apart from whatever our

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Speaker 1: wishes and desires are. So again, I would just wait

560
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Speaker 1: and see if there is any evidence of such plots

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Speaker 1: that emerge before you just sort of, you know, fly

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Speaker 1: off down a rabbit hole and accept this as fact

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Speaker 1: when there's nothing that indicates it thus far.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, are you suggesting that we should be responsible and

565
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Speaker 4: wait for facts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I thought we were in the takes business.

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Speaker 5: Crazy idea, Yeah, just put that matter wild.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let's go to the next one here. This was

569
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Speaker 2: a huge story actually broke open on Thursday. We were

570
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Speaker 2: going to do a breaking segment on it, and that

571
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Speaker 2: coup happened. It's on our Russia, what do you know?

572
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Speaker 2: And so we're getting the details fully and took the

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Speaker 2: time to actually read through all the documents here with

574
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Speaker 2: respect to the allegations of an IRS whistleblower and Hunter

575
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Speaker 2: Biden whether he should have been criminally charged in that

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Speaker 2: case after he was offered a plea by US prosecutors.

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Speaker 4: Now, the White.

578
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Speaker 2: House was actually asked repeatedly about this on Friday by

579
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Speaker 2: multiple mainstream reporters who appear to have broken there. Even

580
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Speaker 2: they had to admit that this looked bad and had

581
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Speaker 2: to press the White House on it. And the White

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Speaker 2: House response is stunning in their silence and really in

583
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Speaker 2: their obfuscation. Here's what happened.

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Speaker 4: The President invited his son Hunter to the state dinner

585
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Speaker 4: last night.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you could take us into the thinking

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Speaker 2: and decision making of why.

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Speaker 7: The I'm just not going to get into family discussion,

589
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Speaker 7: personal family discussion, as you know, Hunter's son. I'm just

590
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Speaker 7: not going to get.

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Speaker 6: Into it this.

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Speaker 1: If Hunter Biden wasn't the president's son, would he have

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Speaker 1: invited someone who had just reached the plea agreement with

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Speaker 1: federal prosecutors?

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Speaker 8: Well, a couple of things.

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Speaker 7: Again, that's his son, He's a family member. It is

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Speaker 7: not uncommon for family members to attend events at the

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Speaker 7: White House.

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Speaker 9: Curlywood answered James's question, though, are you going to answer

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Speaker 9: the question of incun not a reasonable question to ask for.

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Speaker 6: The as the United States?

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Speaker 9: Who was involved, as this message seems to suggest in

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Speaker 9: some sort of coercive.

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Speaker 6: Conversation for business dealings by a son, is that something?

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Speaker 2: If he wasn't, then maybe you should tell us so

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Speaker 2: he can.

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Speaker 7: Just remind us what your colleague said from the White

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Speaker 7: House Council, so we have it. Would I would refer

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Speaker 7: you to them and they will share their statement with

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Speaker 7: you all lot.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you've stated that the President stands by his comment

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Speaker 10: from the twenty twenty campaign that he never once discussed

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Speaker 10: his son's overseas business dealings with his son, And you

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Speaker 10: stood at that podium and you reaffirmed.

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Speaker 2: That is there anything that you can say with regard to.

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Speaker 10: This text message and what the president's son was alleging.

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Speaker 2: Was the President there or not?

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Speaker 11: Have you spoken to the president about this? Have you

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Speaker 11: asked him whether he was there with his son on

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Speaker 11: July thirty? And there was a recording earlier in the

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Speaker 11: week that after the plea agreement was reached by Hunter

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Speaker 11: Biden that the President felt relieved that that part of

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Speaker 11: it was behind him.

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Speaker 2: Is that true.

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Speaker 6: I can't speak to that.

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Speaker 7: I cannot speak to the presents mindset.

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Speaker 2: Can't speak to it. Never asked him about it? Oh

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Speaker 2: why wouldn't you ask him about it? And for those

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Speaker 2: who need a refresher, this text message is insane. Put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. This is a direct

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Speaker 2: text from Hunter Biden. So not mean disputed quote. I

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Speaker 2: am sitting here with my father. We would like to

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Speaker 2: understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell

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Speaker 2: the director I would like to resolve this now before

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Speaker 2: it gets out of hand, and now means tonight.

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Speaker 4: Zee.

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Speaker 2: If I get a call or a text from anyone

638
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Speaker 2: involved in this other than you, Xang or the chairman,

639
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Speaker 2: I will make certain between the man sitting next to

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Speaker 2: me and every person. He knows my ability to forever

641
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Speaker 2: hold a grudge that you will not regret not following

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Speaker 2: my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call

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Speaker 2: with my father.

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Speaker 1: I love the way at the end, he just like

645
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Speaker 1: strips any plausible to liability.

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Speaker 4: I am sitting here.

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Speaker 5: Just to be clear, it's my father I'm referring to.

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Speaker 2: This is Megan McCain level my father in terms of joke.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: My friends over the Freebeacon personal friends of mine, Chuck Ross,

651
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Speaker 2: Joseph Simonson, and Andrew Kerr put together a fantastic piece

652
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Speaker 2: here called the sixteen Bombshells on the Hunter Biden from

653
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Speaker 2: the IRS laptop. First and foremost was linking his father

654
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Speaker 2: to this Chinese deal. People aren't actually as familiar with

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Speaker 2: the CEFC China Energy deal that Hunter was trying to finance,

656
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Speaker 2: but that's actually what all of this entails. The CEFC

657
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Speaker 2: China Energy deal into a multi billion dollar investment. And

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Speaker 2: told Rosewood Seneca Partners, of which Hunter was part of

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Speaker 2: also with John Carrey step Son, everybody's get involved. The

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Speaker 2: next thing that they pointed to is that Biden tended

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Speaker 2: other business meetings allegedly with Hunter and with his Chinese

662
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Speaker 2: business partners. What he said repeatedly is that they were

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Speaker 2: at the Four Seasons hotel. People had were having lunch

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Speaker 2: and stopped in. Hunter said, quote, I may be trying

665
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Speaker 2: to start a company or try to do something with

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Speaker 2: these guys, and could you And he says if I'm around,

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Speaker 2: and he'd show up, referencing directly his father. Furthermore, the

668
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Speaker 2: FBI had authenticated Hunter Biden's laptop a year before you

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Speaker 2: and I even knew it existed, after it had been

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Speaker 2: turned into the computer repells.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not only did it have the hallmarks.

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Speaker 2: Of Russian disinformation, they knew it was true before even

673
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: the press knew about it, and still did not ever

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Speaker 2: offer any proof or any of that my other personal

675
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Speaker 2: favorites and some of the tawdry details. Hunter actually deducted

676
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Speaker 2: hooker and sex club payments from his taxes. Classy thing

677
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Speaker 2: to do. Obviously, the FBI division that investigated foreign spies

678
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Speaker 2: directly was involved in the Biden probe. The investigation into

679
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Speaker 2: Biden actually had some porn related origins because of some

680
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Speaker 2: of the content that was on his laptop. Prosecutors wanted

681
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Speaker 2: to charge Hunter with felonies, but he ended up with misdemeanors,

682
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Speaker 2: so they specifically noted that per the level of tax

683
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Speaker 2: evation that he conducted his business dealings, the text messages

684
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Speaker 2: and more, it was very clear that he had willfully

685
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Speaker 2: went out of his way not to pay his taxes,

686
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Speaker 2: as evidence by the prostitution ride offs. The Biden Department

687
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Speaker 2: of Justice specifically actually blocked that investigation at multiple turns

688
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Speaker 2: according to the irs whistleblower, and that the whistleblower's boss

689
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Speaker 2: actually corroborated all multiple other claims that were made. Hunter

690
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Speaker 2: also currently does not have to, under the terms of

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Speaker 2: his deal, pay taxes on four hundred thousand dollars of

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Speaker 2: income that he received from Bearisma Holdings. Who out there

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Speaker 2: in this world doesn't have to pay tax on four

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Speaker 2: hundred grand?

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine that? Imagine being in such a sweet deal.

696
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Speaker 2: You could trade off of your dad's name, get four

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Speaker 2: hundred grand, get a sweetheart deal, and then still not

698
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Speaker 2: have to pay taxes on it, and then finally crystled.

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Speaker 2: My personal favorite agents wanted to search Hunter Biden's family homes,

700
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Speaker 2: but were shot down due to the optics of the situation.

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Speaker 2: According to these whistleblowers. So I mean, look at every turn,

702
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Speaker 2: we're seeing political interference here. And Hunter, you know, look,

703
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Speaker 2: his defense is quite literally I was a crack addict,

704
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Speaker 2: and that's what he say said. My father had no

705
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Speaker 2: interest in this at the time, and I was in

706
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Speaker 2: the midst of dealing with addiction. But Biden, at this point,

707
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Speaker 2: he's got to prove it. There's this clear allegation here

708
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Speaker 2: made in these texts and through authenticated whistleblowers that have

709
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Speaker 2: come before under oath, before Congress, multiple parts of this

710
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: have been have been verified. The Biden family continues to

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Speaker 2: brush this aside and say that this isn't even worth

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Speaker 2: looking into. They literally invited the guy to the freaking

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Speaker 2: state dinner with the Indian prime minister. The day after that,

714
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Speaker 2: he gets a plea deal before Congress, and all of

715
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Speaker 2: these text messages are plea deal before prosecutors, and this

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Speaker 2: all comes out.

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Speaker 5: So this is you were worried about optics, you mightn't

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Speaker 5: want to.

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Speaker 4: This is think that.

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Speaker 2: One some of the most disgusting federal corruption that we

721
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Speaker 2: have seen yet, just because of how naked it is

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Speaker 2: and how much he actually just got off most of

723
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Speaker 2: the time. Just don't even investigated.

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Speaker 4: Here, they investigated and gave him a little sweetheart deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, to be clear, this is coming

726
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Speaker 1: from Republicans who had nothing to say when it was

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Speaker 1: Jared Kushner. So hypocrisy, etcetera, etcetera, no doubt about it.

728
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Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes political attacks are also real, and

729
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Speaker 1: clearly the press feels like they have been humiliated. They

730
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Speaker 1: were willing to cover for him to a point, and

731
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Speaker 1: now when you have these kind of details they have

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Speaker 1: to ask him about. That's why in that clip we played,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were going through the list of It

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Speaker 1: was CNN, it was New York Times, it was NBC,

735
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Speaker 1: it was CBS, it was every mainstream outlet that felt

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Speaker 1: like for their own sake of credibility they had to

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Speaker 1: ask something on this. Now, listen, what do we know

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Speaker 1: with regard to the text message. We know that Hunter

739
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Speaker 1: was blatantly brazenly using his name and his proximity to

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Speaker 1: power that would be his dad to try to score

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Speaker 1: lucrative business deals. Now, the claim in the text is

742
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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden was sitting right there. Biden has maintained

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Speaker 1: he never even had a conversation with Hunter about any

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Speaker 1: of his business deals. Now that claim, his spokespeople have

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Speaker 1: been remarkably unwilling to reiterate.

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Speaker 5: At this point.

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Speaker 1: They now will say like he wasn't involved, but they

748
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Speaker 1: haven't gone so far to say once again that he

749
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Speaker 1: didn't even speak to Hunter about those business deals.

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Speaker 5: So the President has a lot of questions to answer.

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Speaker 5: You know, is that still true?

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Speaker 1: Do you still maintain you had no conversations with him

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Speaker 1: about it? Where were you on that day? Is it

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Speaker 1: true that you were sitting next to him? Now listen,

755
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Speaker 1: it's also true possible he was sitting there. I had

756
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Speaker 1: no idea, you know what his son, in the throes

757
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Speaker 1: of addiction, was texting to this Chinese businessman. But this

758
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Speaker 1: is way past the point that you can just brush

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Speaker 1: it off, because even if you accept the best case

760
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Speaker 1: scenario that Joe Biden had nothing to do with this,

761
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Speaker 1: this level of discusting, trading on your father's name to secure,

762
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Speaker 1: you know, deals for yourself is grotesque, even if it's

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Speaker 1: not unfortunately, even if it's not illegal.

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Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, Look to be clear, I mean, unfortunately,

765
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Speaker 2: it's not illegal to say my father, my father, my father,

766
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Speaker 2: and then shake down a foreign guy for millions of

767
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Speaker 2: dollars guess what is illegal? Not paying your taxes. He

768
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Speaker 2: didn't even pay his taxes. I didn't even mention this

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Speaker 2: that I have in previous segments. Remember this, Crystal. He

770
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Speaker 2: owed two point two million dollars in taxes, in back

771
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Speaker 2: taxes that he was not able to pay and did

772
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Speaker 2: not have financially. He had to go to a Democratic

773
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Speaker 2: mega don or Hollywood lawyer to pay his taxes for him,

774
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Speaker 2: and the guy gave it to him as a loan

775
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Speaker 2: or whatever to avoid the federal gift tax. I mean,

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Speaker 2: who amongst us has forgotten to pay our taxes, not

777
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Speaker 2: had the money about it, then gone to a rich

778
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Speaker 2: friend of our dads to bail our asses out. And that's,

779
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Speaker 2: by the way, one of the ways that he's able

780
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Speaker 2: to circumvent and go towards the misdemeanor charge is it's

781
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Speaker 2: not like it's unpaid. It got paid. Yeah, Now, I

782
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Speaker 2: paid you guys what you needed. That was part of

783
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Speaker 2: the cover up. Well, the fact that he had access

784
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Speaker 2: to that money in the first place is it self

785
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: evidence of political corruption. So you know, I'm hopped up

786
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Speaker 2: about this one just because it's so brazen, the level

787
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Speaker 2: of shakedown that's happening here. I mean, look at that

788
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Speaker 2: text message. He reads like a thug.

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Speaker 8: You know.

790
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Speaker 2: He's like, my dad is gonna come and screen on.

791
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Speaker 2: My dad's gonna come and beat up with your dad

792
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Speaker 2: if you don't pay me millions of dollars. And that's

793
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Speaker 2: the craziest thing is all of this worked. He actually

794
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Speaker 2: did get paid one hundred thousand dollars from Barisma. He

795
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Speaker 2: actually did raise tons of money through Roseman Seneca Partners,

796
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Speaker 2: then his BHG Holdings Group inside of inside of China.

797
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Speaker 2: He remember this, He says that he's no longer on

798
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Speaker 2: the board of the holdings group inside of China, he

799
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Speaker 2: still has a vested financial interest to this day millions

800
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Speaker 2: of dollars inside of China. The GOP report that came

801
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Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty detailed multiple wire transfers up to

802
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Speaker 2: the tunes of hundred thousands of dollars, of which Biden,

803
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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden and James Biden, Biden's brother. We're literally using

804
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Speaker 2: one hundred grand as a slush fund to buy MacBook

805
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: pros for themselves and their relatives. I mean it is

806
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: as and then the audacity to then write off some

807
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: of your ilicit you know, like sex capades, effectively on

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Speaker 2: your taxes.

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Speaker 4: On top of all of that.

810
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Speaker 2: So you can blame addiction and all of that all

811
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Speaker 2: you want, but here's the truth. And you've always made

812
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Speaker 2: this point. Most addicts they get caught, you know, whenever

813
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: they boost like a radio out of a car, and

814
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Speaker 2: they get their ass thrown in jail, and they don't

815
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Speaker 2: get second, third, fifteenth chances. They don't get the daddy

816
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Speaker 2: bailing them out of prison.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's the proximity to power, peace and knowing the

818
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Speaker 1: right people, and there's the you know, two tier system

819
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Speaker 1: of justice that oftentimes lets the wealthy off the hook.

820
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Speaker 1: I mean, how many tax dodgers, how many wealthy tax

821
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Speaker 1: dodgers never get any sort of enforcement action, And it

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Speaker 1: is wrong. I am much more in favor of a

823
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Speaker 1: law and order, white collar, tough on crime approach because

824
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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly who the IRS goes after is the poor and

825
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Speaker 1: the working poor and the working class. So unfortunately, the

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Speaker 1: way that Hunter got away with this, like you said,

827
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Speaker 1: like mischaracterizing these loans, these payments as loans, all of

828
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Speaker 1: this sort of shenanigans. Unfortunately, it is quite common and

829
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Speaker 1: people do routinely get away with it, even when their

830
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Speaker 1: daddy isn't the Vice president. But you know, in those instances,

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Speaker 1: it's an attack on the integrity of our sort of

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Speaker 1: like system of fairness and justice. In this instance, it's

833
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Speaker 1: also an attack on just the integrity of the office

834
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Speaker 1: of the President of the United States and raises a

835
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Speaker 1: lot of questions about you know, potential malign influences and

836
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Speaker 1: how this would impact his governments, which is incredibly serious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's Look, that's all we can say

838
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Speaker 2: about it in terms of the further investigation. The GOP

839
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Speaker 2: is going to be holding hearings. Let's put this up

840
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Speaker 2: there on the screen. As I said, you know, Hunter

841
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: appeared at the state dinner and his father maintains the

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Speaker 2: only reaction he has to the whole thing is quote

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Speaker 2: that he loves his son. And then you would know, Crystal,

844
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Speaker 2: as we will recall from the debate stage in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: he said he did nothing wrong and I love my son.

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Speaker 4: Now it's just I love my son after he's.

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Speaker 5: Gotten it, and drop that first part real quick.

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Speaker 2: That part really bothers me too. It's basically emotional blackmail.

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Speaker 2: Nobody doubts a parent doesn't love their child. Actually, the

850
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Speaker 2: problem is you loved him so much you let him

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Speaker 2: get away with all this stuff under your norse. Oh

852
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Speaker 2: maybe you helped him out about it with a little

853
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Speaker 2: bit of the ten percent for the big guy, and

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Speaker 2: in fact, if you were able to prove that you

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Speaker 2: had nothing to do with it, and that at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, this was basically parental malfeasance, where

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Speaker 2: you're like, I loved him too much to say anything.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people could empathize with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he refuses to tell us the truth about

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Speaker 2: the very basics of the situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think this has gotten past the point

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Speaker 1: now where he can just dodge questions on it forever.

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Speaker 1: You know, if he ever does another mainstream interview again,

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Speaker 1: if he ever subjects himself to any sort of a

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Speaker 1: debate situation, whether it's in the Democratic primary or in

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Speaker 1: the general election, he's going to have to answer difficult

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Speaker 1: questions about this. I think it's gone past the point

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Speaker 1: of him just being able to ignore it and get

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Speaker 1: away with an answer like I love my son.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we have some new polling that we

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Speaker 1: can share with you this morning about where the Republican

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Speaker 1: primary race stands, and also where the general election potential

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Speaker 1: general election matchup. Stan put this first piece up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. This is a new NBC News poll that

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Speaker 1: shows Donald Trump gaining pretty significantly from their last poll,

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Speaker 1: which was done in April, So this was pre the

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Speaker 1: last poll was done pre indictment, documents indictment. This one

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Speaker 1: has done post documents indictment. It shows Trump surging six

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Speaker 1: points to take fifty one percent, so a bear outright

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Speaker 1: majority there, and perhaps even more difficult for Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: He actually dropped in the polls more than Trump rose.

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Speaker 1: So you've got Trump at fifty one, you now have

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Speaker 1: DeSantis at twenty two percent. That is a nine point

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Speaker 1: drop from April. And it really demonstrates Sager something that

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Speaker 1: we have been theorizing, which is it's the more candidates

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Speaker 1: that get.

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Speaker 5: In this race, the more difficult it is for DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: You had Mike Pence go up a point, You have

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy actually grabbing five percent of a vote at

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Speaker 1: this point, out polling, at least in this particular poll,

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Speaker 1: individuals like Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, but every one

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Speaker 1: of those little low A point up for Vivekaramaswamio, a

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Speaker 1: point up for Nicki halee O five points for Chris Christy.

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Speaker 1: That's not coming out of Trump, that's coming directly out

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Speaker 1: of Ron DeSantis, which is why he has fallen off

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Speaker 1: nine points and is now sitting at twenty two percent

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Speaker 1: in this NBC News pole. Now, all caveats you know

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Speaker 1: included here important to remember. I would take all of

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Speaker 1: this polling with a grain of salt. But I always

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Speaker 1: think the direction of the polls is actually more instructive

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Speaker 1: than the absolute numbers. And so the fact that this

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Speaker 1: poll confirms what most but not all, other polls have

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Speaker 1: shown that Trump within the Republican primary has you know,

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Speaker 1: at least maintained and probably expanded his lead, is you know,

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Speaker 1: another sort of dire warning for DeSantis and the other hopefuls.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're absolutely right. I mean, I think the issue

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Speaker 2: mainly is that people try to focus on one poll,

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Speaker 2: but then they don't go into the direction.

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Speaker 4: The direction is a disaster.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is is that if it's one, okay,

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Speaker 2: but every single one that we have gotten post indictment

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Speaker 2: shows a bump for Trump. Every single one that we

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Speaker 2: have shown Dysantis announcement shows either a slight increase or

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Speaker 2: an overall drop as he continues to campaign, and in fact,

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Speaker 2: this was part of the issue with his overall launch.

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Speaker 2: What you and I were saying, it's very rare that

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Speaker 2: you're the center of the attention. You better make sure

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Speaker 2: that it goes super well and that you dominate the airwaves.

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Speaker 2: And the problem for DeSantis is he's not the former president,

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Speaker 2: he's not the one getting indicted, and he's got nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with what's going on in Russia. So he's

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Speaker 2: basically a side show as all other other campaigners are.

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Speaker 2: Now though we should note, let's put this up there

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Speaker 2: please on the screen the general election matchup, that in

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Speaker 2: this it's not like things are going all that way

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Speaker 2: well for Trump. It still shows Joe Biden at forty

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Speaker 2: nine percent and Trump at forty five. But if you

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Speaker 2: apply previous polling misses for Trump, that would basically have

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Speaker 2: him virtually tied. The original Crystal and sager Ul was

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Speaker 2: add four or four to five for any poll that

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Speaker 2: involved the name Donald Trump, specifically in a general election,

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Speaker 2: and if you do, they basically would show the two

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Speaker 2: of them in a virtual tie, especially whenever you consider

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Speaker 2: the razor thin margins in the electoral college. So by

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Speaker 2: many accounts like Trump, he may be weaker, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe although we haven't seen all of the evidence just

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Speaker 2: yet that at least enough for me to convince that

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Speaker 2: he's done. I don't think you can ever really get

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Speaker 2: to that point. And then for DeSantis, I mean, the

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Speaker 2: poll after poll after poll after pole that we have

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Speaker 2: with likely GOP primary voters doesn't seem to be good

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Speaker 2: for him overall since this his campaign started, and indictment

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Speaker 2: for Trump has just been the greatest political boon he

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Speaker 2: could ever ask for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And just to give people a sense of how

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Speaker 1: much things have shifted away from DeSantis back in January

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Speaker 1: was actually January February was kind of the peak of

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Speaker 1: his polling before he even got in the race. His average,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at real clear politics, DeSantis's average was about

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Speaker 1: thirty percent, and Trump was down under fifty percent. And

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Speaker 1: when you're keeping Trump under fifty percent, you got a

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Speaker 1: case you can make there. You know, if I consolidate

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Speaker 1: all of you know, all these other people fall by

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Speaker 1: the wayside, and I consolidate all of their six and

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Speaker 1: seven point percentages that they're garnering here, then I can

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Speaker 1: overtake him. The problem is now DeSantis's average sits at

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Speaker 1: about twenty one percent, So that's a nine point drop

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Speaker 1: from where he was before he even got in the race.

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Speaker 1: And you know, since he got in, he's been more

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Speaker 1: or less flat. He's a little bit down from where

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Speaker 1: he was when he first jumped in the race, but

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Speaker 1: not much.

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Speaker 5: It's more or less even.

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Speaker 1: But the case that the Dysantis people were making, you

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Speaker 1: guys might recall, is before he got in the race,

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Speaker 1: they were like, well, sure, he's only at thirty percent now.

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Speaker 1: But once we get in and we start making the case,

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Speaker 1: we haven't even tried to start campaigning yet, so that

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Speaker 1: obviously hasn't come to fruition, at least not yet.

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Speaker 5: And in fact, the more people.

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Speaker 1: Jump in the race, and we had a few more

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Speaker 1: entrants last week, I think we had a Will Hurd,

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Speaker 1: former congressman, jump into the race as well.

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Speaker 5: Is he going to garner a lot of percentage points?

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Speaker 1: No, But every one of these people, if they're even

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Speaker 1: taking a single point, that's coming out of DeSantis's hide,

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Speaker 1: not out of Trump. And so actually the longer this

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Speaker 1: goes on, the more the field fills out, the more

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Speaker 1: people consolidate around Trump, the more these indictments, sort of

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Speaker 1: hard Republican GOP base support around him, and the more

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Speaker 1: and more difficult this becomes, you know, on the general

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Speaker 1: election piece. One of DeSantis's arguments is that he's more electable,

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Speaker 1: and right now the polls bear that out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that holds. There's no guarantees, etc.

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Speaker 1: But he has a case he can make here. But

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Speaker 1: it's not clear that the Republican base a really cares

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Speaker 1: about that. It's not clear that they really believe it,

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Speaker 1: because they've seen the way that poles have been wildly

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Speaker 1: off before. Trump was at this this confab of religious

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Speaker 1: conservatives that was here in DC. He gave a speech

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Speaker 1: to what everyone is describing as basically like a rapturous crowd. Now,

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Speaker 1: remember this is these are this is the religious right.

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Speaker 1: This is the group that supposedly he should be having

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Speaker 1: some issues with because he's moderated a bit on abortion

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Speaker 1: vis a vi Ron DeSantis, Let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: how he handled that, uh, that issue in particular at

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Speaker 1: this conference.

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Speaker 9: As you're president, I will continue to stand proudly for

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Speaker 9: pro life policies, just as I did for four strong years.

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Speaker 9: That's why when I'm reelected, I will continue to fight

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Speaker 9: against the demented late term abortionists and the Democratic Party

1004
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Speaker 9: who believe in unlimited abortion on demand and even executing

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Speaker 9: babies after birth.

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Speaker 1: So sounds to me like he's given the crowd there

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Speaker 1: is again a religious right crowd. Sounds to me like

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Speaker 1: he's given them everything that they want and they are

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Speaker 1: complete letely on board.

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Speaker 5: So a lot of the critique of his abortion.

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Speaker 1: Position is unwillingness to backs, for example, a national ban,

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Speaker 1: something that Mike Pence has got on board with, or

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Speaker 1: even calling what was the word he used Ronda Santis'

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Speaker 1: six week band. I think he said it was brutal,

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Speaker 1: something like that. They don't seem to harsh, that's it.

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Speaker 1: They don't seem too concerned about that. He seems to

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Speaker 1: have found a way to message, at least to the grassroots,

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Speaker 1: maybe not the grass tops that they are responding to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put this one up on the screen too,

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Speaker 2: just to evidence even more of what you're talking about, Cristel,

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Speaker 2: which is that the faith in Trump dominated the religious

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Speaker 2: conservative gathering, and specifically it was Chris Christie who said

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Speaker 2: he was trying to run for president and Trump's political

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Speaker 2: career who was booed. Actually on the stage, Christy said, quote,

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Speaker 2: you can boo all you want, but that just shows you,

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Speaker 2: ultimately that the case of Pence, of DeSantis, well a

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Speaker 2: Pence in particular. Yeah, I'm the real religious conservative. Guess what, dude,

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Speaker 2: they like.

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Speaker 4: Trump more than they like you.

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Speaker 2: And this is something where religious conservatives, I think right

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Speaker 2: can say, at the end of the day, he is

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Speaker 2: the one who got Row versus Way done, and yeah, Pence,

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Speaker 2: you're the one who wants to go further all of that,

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Speaker 2: but you don't have the same proven track record. So

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Speaker 2: you know that case that a lot of these people

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Speaker 2: were making against him, I just don't see it right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Christy is at least in this poll,

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Speaker 1: is actually nipping at Pence's heels, which is interesting. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I think it speaks to the fact that is Christy

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Speaker 1: going to get much higher than like the five percent

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Speaker 1: he's at right now?

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Speaker 5: Maybe don't.

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably got a max of like ten percent.

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Speaker 1: But it does show you that there is something to

1045
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Speaker 1: just being totally unabashed. I mean, Christy has been I've

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Speaker 1: always thought just on sheer political talent. I think Chris

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Speaker 1: Christy is a very talented political actor and always has been.

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Speaker 5: And so the fact that he's.

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Speaker 1: Willing to go in front of what is clearly a

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Speaker 1: hostile crowd and just say what he thinks and put

1051
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Speaker 1: it out there like that, there is some small percentage

1052
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Speaker 1: of the GOP base that is responding to that show

1053
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Speaker 1: of strength right now, and maybe ultimately it's an enough

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Speaker 1: to weaken Trump, but I you know, it's hard for

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Speaker 1: me to see that given where things stand today.

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Speaker 5: But again, whether it's Chris Christie, whether.

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Speaker 1: It's Mike Pence, whether it's veck Ramswami, whether it's Nicki Haley,

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott, Willhard, Basa Hutchinson, what's the good North Dakota

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Speaker 1: Governor Bergham Birgham, Yes, any of these people they're getting

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Speaker 1: any of the vote.

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Speaker 5: It's a problem for Ronda Santas.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I just saw a piece this

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Speaker 1: morning Saga about how you know his early state strategy,

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Speaker 1: which depends on Iowa New Hampshire still looking okay in

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Speaker 1: Iowa New Hampshire's kind of falling apart, and they his

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Speaker 1: super PAC isn't even running ads there. Apparently he hasn't

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Speaker 1: gotten traction on the ground and struggling really to pick

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Speaker 1: up speed in the Granite States.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because New Hampshire's Trump country. I mean, it's his white,

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Speaker 2: working class state. It's the one that he very first

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Speaker 2: won in twenty sixteen. Far less religious than Iowa Catholics

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Speaker 2: and Evangelicals who vote in that primary. And yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: you know what doesn't take a genius to look at

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Speaker 2: the overall demographic, stand up the base that votes in there,

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Speaker 2: and say that the DeSantis case in New Hampshire actually

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Speaker 2: relied a hell of a lot more on Iowa than

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Speaker 2: it does rely on anything else. He needs to win Iowa.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't, I think he's done.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I kind of think he's done. All right, Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you never know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to a story that is, you know, really

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Speaker 1: kind of shocking and very disturbing coming out of Montana.

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Speaker 5: Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So there was a freight train that was carrying hot

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Speaker 1: asphalt and molten sulfur that derailed into a river, into

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Speaker 1: Yellowstone River there in that state. Now, what it looks

1087
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Speaker 1: like happened and NTSB is still investigating, is that actually

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Speaker 1: the bridge itself collapsed and that's what's caused this train

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00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: derailment spilling these toxic substances into the river there. This

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00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: is a river that is, you know, really relied upon,

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00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: both in terms of drinking water also in terms of

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00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: agriculture and irrigation. So this is very troubling. The government

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00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: does not have a great track record, and we'll get

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00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: into that.

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00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 5: In a minute.

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Speaker 1: Of being honest about the risk to citizens of these

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00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: type of toxic waste spills, let me read you a

1098
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: little bit of this. They say the train cars were

1099
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: carrying hot asphalt and molten sulfur. Official shutdown drinking water

1100
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: intakes downstream while they evaluated the danger after the six

1101
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: a m accident. By the way, this happened on Saturday,

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00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: and AP reporter witnessed a yellow substance coming out of

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00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: some of the tank cars.

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00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 5: They also have some conjecture.

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00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: Here, and I think this was from some of the

1106
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: local reporting about what caused this bridge to collapse, because

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00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an incredibly stunning and disturbing turn of

1108
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: events that this part of our critical part of our

1109
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: infrastructure could just completely crumble and collapse like this. Apparently,

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00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: Yellowstone River saw record flooding in twenty twenty two that

1111
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: caused extensive damage to Yellowstone National Park and adjacent towns.

1112
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: Apparently there have been repeated years of heavy river flows.

1113
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: The high water flow translates to high forces acting directly

1114
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: on the pier and importantly on the river bottom. This

1115
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: expert said, you can have erosion or scour that removes

1116
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: support from the foundation. High forces translate to a high

1117
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: likelihood of a structural or foundation failure that could act

1118
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: as a trigger to initiate the accident.

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00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 5: We also know that there had been an old.

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Speaker 1: Highway bridge that cars used to traverse that paralleled that

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00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: railroad bridge, and they had actually taken that highway old

1122
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: highway bridge down because it was determined to be in

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00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: imminent danger of failing. So it's right alongside this railroad bridge.

1124
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: They had taken that one down, and now you have

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Speaker 1: the railroad bridge completely collapsing. According to their reporting, not

1126
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: immediately clear when that bridge that collapse was constructed or

1127
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: when it was last inspected. Let's go ahead, guys and

1128
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: put these images up on the screen. We've got a

1129
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: little bit a video of someone who appears to be

1130
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: have been driving by the accident, and then we've got

1131
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: some overhead drone footage. You can see a number of

1132
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: these freight cars collapsed.

1133
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 5: Into the river.

1134
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: You can see there that yellow substance that reporters were

1135
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: saying they saw spilling out into this river. Now, some

1136
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: of the experts have said that the type of material

1137
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: that spilled here shouldn't cause a problem because while it's

1138
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: kept in a sort of molten state within these tanker cars,

1139
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: once it hits the cold water that it solidifies, So

1140
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: hopefully there shouldn't be much problem downstream.

1141
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 5: We will see if that is the case.

1142
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: Let's put these next images up on the screen so

1143
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: people can just get a sense of the catastrophe here.

1144
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see just twisted metal and these

1145
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: freight cars collapsed into this beautiful scenic river there in Yellowstone.

1146
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: You can see the way that the bridge just completely

1147
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: collapsed and crumbled here. Thank God that no one was injured.

1148
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about the know that the engineers

1149
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: who were on board this train and how terrifying and

1150
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: shocking this must have been for them. Thank God that

1151
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: no one was injured or lost their life, But still

1152
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: a deeply troubling situation with a lot of questions.

1153
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: Still sober, Yeah, absolutely, I mean the issue. First of all,

1154
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 2: this is a disaster. This is one of my favorite

1155
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: places in the world. Love Yellstone is one of the

1156
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 2: most If anybody gets the opportunity, please do it. Also,

1157
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: I read a very troubling stat that the vast majority

1158
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: of people who visit Yellstone don't even get out of

1159
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: their cars or just go to the visitor go for

1160
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: get out of the car and walk, you know, into

1161
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: non designated just like little wooden areas with a sign

1162
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: actually go and explored a little.

1163
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 4: But you know what, it's one of the best places if.

1164
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: You're physically ready for that, because I've also heard horror

1165
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: stories of people who learn are not fit yeah, and

1166
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: don't even bring water and are wearing like they're you know, sandals,

1167
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: their crocs, act whatever, and they're like.

1168
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: I got to go for a hike. I got to

1169
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: park service. These people are they know exactly what they're doing.

1170
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: It's funny like when you hike the Grand Canyon, like

1171
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: three miles in, there's a.

1172
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 4: Lady who's like, hey, you got enough water, You're good.

1173
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: They're like, where are you going? You're going to that far?

1174
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: And then if you if you are going for it,

1175
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: they'll be like, you don't have an.

1176
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 4: Water to do that.

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00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: They're like, you should turn around.

1178
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: I actually literally watch that happen. So shout out to

1179
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 4: the NPS. Yeah, for sure, I.

1180
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: Have a tragic I won't even share. But it's important

1181
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: to be careful yecally when he is involved.

1182
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: Correct, always be careful with The point though, is that

1183
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: this one of the most treasured national monuments are national parts.

1184
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: Is an area that millions of Americans visit every year.

1185
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: Actually more people are visiting it more than ever. And

1186
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: the problem that we have here is that the overall

1187
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: accountability into the railroads and to the current Rail Safety

1188
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: Act and the way that that is still being held

1189
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: up in Congress right now, mostly by conservative Republicans like

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00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz. As I understand, it is the main opposition

1191
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: to this entire thing, and it's a huge issue because

1192
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: the initial East Palestine derailment obviously got a lot of

1193
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: attention I think it should have. But the problem is

1194
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 2: is that some of it is diminishing now over time,

1195
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: and the energy around getting the actual rail industry regulated

1196
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: whenever they receive billions and billions and billions of dollars

1197
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: in subsidies from the federal govern and then still basically

1198
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: are allowed to operate with impunity. That's the overall problem

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00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: that we still are not taking our eye or we

1200
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: taken our eye off unfortunately as a country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have an East Palestine update that is

1202
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: pretty stunning that I want to get to in just

1203
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: a minute. But I want to say with this particular derailment,

1204
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: and NTSB is still investigating, so we don't have all

1205
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: of the answers here, but it appears this raises a

1206
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: lot of questions about our infrastructure and you know, inspections

1207
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: and listen, we have long known that we have a

1208
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: lot of crumbling infrastructure that needs to be tended to

1209
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: and rebuild. And so the fact that you know, in

1210
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: a wealthy country such as ours, that you have bridges

1211
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: just collapsing from you know, normal wear and tear is

1212
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing.

1213
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 5: It's horrifying.

1214
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying because you have no idea what is the

1215
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: next one to go. I mean, actually, there was a

1216
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: there's a critical bridge in Tennessee crossing the Mississippi River

1217
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: that had to be closed on an emergency basis because

1218
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: engineers saw strtual flaws that could lead to that collapsing

1219
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: and it totally you know, destroyed traffic and snarled traffic

1220
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: there for months and months.

1221
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 5: We're just you know, we.

1222
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: Have really really underinvested in our own basic infrastructure. And

1223
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: I think that's an important story out of this one

1224
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: as well. You mentioned East Palestine, Go ahead and put

1225
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: this up on the screen.

1226
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 5: We just learned that, as you.

1227
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Speaker 1: Guys recall, the thing that led to all of this

1228
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: toxic fallout and disaster and potentially you know, carcinogens and

1229
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: residents being incredibly sick and nauseous and headaches and all

1230
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: of the rest was they did this quote unquote controlled

1231
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: bird which turned the whole train into this basically like

1232
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: bomb fireball that the citizens of that town in Ohio

1233
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: and really the whole region are still reckoning with the

1234
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: fallout from and have never been able to get straight

1235
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: answers about exactly what risks there are to their health

1236
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: today and into the future. Well, we're now learning it

1237
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: looks like they may not have had to do that controlled.

1238
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 5: Burn at all. You had an owner.

1239
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Of five of the toxic vinyl chloride cars that Norfolk

1240
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: Southern detonated over East Palestine said they told Norfolk Southern

1241
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: three different times they saw no evidence that vinyl chloride

1242
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: inside the cars was quote polymerizing and at risk of

1243
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: an uncontrolled explosion. Basically, the idea here is that Norfolk

1244
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: Southern was more interested in getting these cars off the

1245
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: track so that they could get back to business as

1246
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: usual and running their trains and turning their record breaking

1247
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: profits and doing their stock buybacks and screwing their workers.

1248
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: They wanted to get back to that as soon as possible.

1249
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: So even though there, according to this testimony, was not

1250
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: an appearance that there was an imminent risk with regard

1251
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: to these cars. And in fact, the temperature and this

1252
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: is really critical, was going down and this is something

1253
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: that the NTSB confirmed, or the EPA rather confirmed, the

1254
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: temperature was actually going down in those cars. That indicates

1255
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: they did not need to do this at all. They

1256
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: could have waited and it still would have been you know,

1257
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: required cleanup, et cetera, but it would not have been

1258
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: nearly the risk to the local residents that this quote

1259
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: unquote controlled burn which released all of this into the

1260
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: atmosphere and into the ground and into the water, that

1261
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: that ended up being.

1262
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that control burn was what spread the contaminants really

1263
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: all over the place. And was also highlighted by the residents.

1264
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: Obviously we had like a genuine almost mushroom cloud like

1265
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: situation that developed over the area. It asked a lot

1266
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: of questions about air quality. That's what a lot of

1267
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 2: people said. It was after that control burn that they

1268
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: saw their pets and others suffering. So right, That's why

1269
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: I just think it's very important that we never take

1270
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: our eye off the situation and that you know, if

1271
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: that's true basically what he's testified to therefore before the panel, well,

1272
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: I mean, then somebody needs to pay for that. Somebody

1273
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: needs to actually do a real analysis as pre and

1274
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: posted as to what the damage specifically from this incident

1275
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: are and then actually find this company get to the

1276
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: bottom of it. As a public it was one of

1277
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: those that flared up almost immediately but has largely been forgotten.

1278
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to give credit to the folks

1279
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: a status koop because they have stayed all over it.

1280
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: And in fact, even before this testimony came out, they

1281
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: had obtained a recording of an EPA official who didn't

1282
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: know he was being recorded, admitting that there was no

1283
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: evidence to support Norfolk Southern's decision to detonate those vinyl

1284
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 1: chloride cars. Quote, they did this to get the train

1285
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: lines open. That's according to a hazardous waste expert who

1286
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: listened to this leaked audio. But basically, this is what

1287
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: residents have suspected all along, that the controlled burn wasn't

1288
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: because it was the best way to deal with these

1289
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: hazardous chemicals, wasn't because they were concerned about their health

1290
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: and well being. It was because Norfolk Southern wanted to

1291
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: get back to making money as quickly as possible, and

1292
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: a parent currently the EPA, it seems, may have had

1293
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: some knowledge of that. So it opens up a lot

1294
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: of questions about even more questions about exactly what was

1295
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: done here and the way that this town and their

1296
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: residents were effectively sacrificed to the whims of this company

1297
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: and their desire to continue earning their record profits.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

1299
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and look, can't take your eye off of it,

1300
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: and we'll continue to be updated the status QUP guys

1301
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: are doing a really good job on this story.

1302
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we had to cover this because we

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Speaker 1: talked about the friggin submersible tragic situation.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to downplay it.

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Speaker 1: All the lives on board that were loss but you know,

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of warnings in advance that perhaps

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Speaker 1: the whull of this submersible, the Titan, that was designed

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Speaker 1: supposedly to go down and view the records of the

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Speaker 1: Titan and go of the Titanic and go, you know,

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Speaker 1: really far underwater, that perhaps the materials this was constructed

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Speaker 1: with were not sufficient for the immense amount of water

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Speaker 1: pressure that comes to bear on these craft.

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Speaker 5: So lo and behold.

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Speaker 1: It turns out that the US Navy apparently knew that

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Speaker 1: the craft had spontaneously imploded and that all lives on

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Speaker 1: board were lost, even as everybody here and significantly around

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Speaker 1: the world were wondering about whether these individuals were still alive.

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Speaker 1: The families were wondering if they were still alive. There

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Speaker 1: was a countdown on when their oxygen would run out,

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Speaker 1: and there was a huge mustering of resources, footed by

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Speaker 1: the way by the US taxpayer to try to locate

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Speaker 1: and rescue any potential survivors.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen because it's really something.

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Speaker 1: So this is after we had the news that okay,

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Speaker 1: they found a debris field. Okay, it looks like it

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Speaker 1: was an implosion. It looks like no one survived. The

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Speaker 1: US Navy heard what it believed was the Titan implosion

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Speaker 1: days ago. Underwater microphones designed to spot enemy submarines first.

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Speaker 5: Detected the Titan tragedy.

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Speaker 1: So this is Wall Street Journal reporting that again, we

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Speaker 1: did not get act to until after they had found

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Speaker 1: the debris field and said, looks like no one survived.

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Speaker 5: Let me read you a little bit of this article.

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Speaker 1: They say a top secret military acoustic detection system designed

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Speaker 1: to spot enemy submarines first heard what the US Navy

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Speaker 1: suspected was the Titan submersiful implosion hours after the submersible

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Speaker 1: began its voyage. Officials involved in the search set the

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Speaker 1: Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as

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Speaker 1: a sub lost communications. Shortly after the submersibles appearance on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: the US system detected what it suspected was the sound

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Speaker 1: of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: reported its findings to the Coastguard commander on site. US

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Speaker 1: Defense officials set now here is their cope of why

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Speaker 1: they didn't tell us or the families or the rescuers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they say they told the Coastguard that was

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Speaker 1: commanding the rescue here, but the public certainly had no idea.

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Speaker 5: They say.

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Speaker 1: The Navy couldn't say definitively this sound came from the Titan.

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Speaker 1: Discovery did play a role though, in narrowing the scope

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Speaker 1: of this for the vessel before its debris was discovered

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Now to get specific, they say they shared

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Speaker 1: their findings with the Coast Guard immediately, which led the search.

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Speaker 1: The US held off making public what noise it had

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Speaker 1: detected because it wanted to ensure search and rescue operations

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Speaker 1: continued and couldn't say for sure it was an implosion.

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Speaker 1: The families were informed Thursday of the Navy's findings when

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Speaker 1: the search and rescue team discovered the debris field.

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Speaker 5: According to a US defensive thing.

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Speaker 2: So why did we wait ninety six hours and string

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Speaker 2: the entire US public along on top of the.

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Speaker 4: Media with family.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad for them too, and look, honestly, it

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Speaker 2: kind of suspects what I thought the first time somebody

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Speaker 2: asked me about it, I said, there's no way these

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Speaker 2: people are alive. They're obviously dead, you know, especially whenever

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Speaker 2: you look at the safety mechanism. And that's actually all

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Speaker 2: the data indicates is that the contact was lost at

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Speaker 2: nine thousand feet and the sound was heard at the

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Speaker 2: exact moment of that by these US Navy sensors. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: it looks like they you know, perished immediately. I guess

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Speaker 2: one thing that you can keep in mind is that

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Speaker 2: it happened like literally a hypersonic speed because of how

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Speaker 2: far down glove.

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Speaker 1: That's the way that they went to all the available options.

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Speaker 1: That's it was instantaneous but horrifying.

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Speaker 2: But the part of the problem is that the whole

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Speaker 2: public was left to you know, basically imagine a scenario

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Speaker 2: where they're alive, and they're together, and they don't have

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Speaker 2: a toilet or bathroom and all this when the preponderance

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Speaker 2: of evidence at the time was like they're almost certainly dead.

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Speaker 2: They should have informed the families privately and just said look. Also,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions we share this with foreign governments.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how many millions of dollars were spent on

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Speaker 2: getting rescue equipment to the site. I know that there

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Speaker 2: was a French piece of machinery that was on its way.

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Speaker 2: Multiple other governments were involved in sort of source search

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Speaker 2: and rescue. There was like an all hands on deck

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Speaker 2: situation for people who were looking to try and to

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Speaker 2: save this when the you know, the stark reality was

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Speaker 2: is that it's almost certainly over and this is a

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Speaker 2: debris recovery situation. Debris recovery is very different in terms

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Speaker 2: of the level of money that you would spend, the resources,

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Speaker 2: and then the family itself, you know, giving them false

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Speaker 2: hope for four days, and also you know the mom

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Speaker 2: for example, of this nineteen year old, like you got

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Speaker 2: to give their peace and just like giving people, giving

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Speaker 2: people hope even for ninety six hours, she's not We're

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Speaker 2: going to forget about that, you know, that that time

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Speaker 2: where you could have just made it easier, you know,

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Speaker 2: at the time and just been like, look, it's weird,

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Speaker 2: it's almost certain it'll be a miracle, of.

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Speaker 4: Which it's true.

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Speaker 5: It was truly cruel.

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Speaker 1: And you know, they went public with these alleged banging

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Speaker 1: noises that they were problem that they were hearing that

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Speaker 1: you know, was giving people some modicum of hope that

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Speaker 1: oh maybe there that's the sound of the survivors ramming

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Speaker 1: the submersible against the wreckage to try to attract attention

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Speaker 1: or whatever. So it went public with that, but not

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Speaker 1: the much more conclusive evidence that basically the moment that

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Speaker 1: contact was lost. There was this sound that very much

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Speaker 1: appeared to be an implosion that was detected by the

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Speaker 1: US Navy. And you know, there were a lot of

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Speaker 1: warning signs about the construction of this craft we played

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Speaker 1: for you before the video game controller and the way

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Speaker 1: this seemed to be really Jerry rincked together the totally

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Speaker 1: blase attitude that the CEO of this company, who was

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Speaker 1: expected to have perished aboard as well, that he took

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Speaker 1: towards safety, the fact that they did not get it

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Speaker 1: classed or expected to make sure that it could withstand

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Speaker 1: the extreme pressure of this level of you know, deep

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Speaker 1: sea diving, That they used materials carbon fiber material that

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Speaker 1: had never been tested before, that it was serious enough

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Speaker 1: concerns that they had their own employee that was a whistleblower,

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Speaker 1: that they had experts in the field that were routinely

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Speaker 1: writing the letters expressing concerns about this. And listen, obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know there's a level of risk anytime you engage

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Speaker 1: in one of these types of extreme activities.

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Speaker 5: But actually the deep sea.

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Speaker 1: Diving technology has existed for quite a while. It's the

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Speaker 1: industry has been very proud to be relatively accident free

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Speaker 1: and completely fatality free. So you know this now is

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Speaker 1: a sort of black mark on the whole industry. James Cameron, director,

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Speaker 1: who had done He's a submersible expert and enthusiast. He

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Speaker 1: actually designed his own craft for I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you guys remember this deep sea challenge that he did

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Speaker 1: where he went way deeper than actually the tanic was.

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Speaker 1: He went to the deepest depths of the ocean in

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Speaker 1: Mariana Trench, and he was sounding off about, you know

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Speaker 1: how tragic and predictable ultimately this situation was as it unfolded.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to a little bit of what

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Speaker 1: he had to say.

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Speaker 8: Well, I've been down there many times and I know

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Speaker 8: the Rex site very well, as does my friend Bob Ballard.

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Speaker 8: I've been made thirty three dives. I actually calculated that

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Speaker 8: I've spent more time on the ship than the captain

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Speaker 8: did back in the day. Now, this is a mature

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Speaker 8: art and many people in the community were very concerned

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Speaker 8: about this sub and a number of you know, of

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Speaker 8: the top players in the deep submergence engineering community even

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Speaker 8: wrote letters to the company saying that what they were

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Speaker 8: doing was too experimental to carry passengers and that needed

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Speaker 8: to be certified and so on. So I'm struck by

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Speaker 8: the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the was

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Speaker 8: repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship, and yet

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Speaker 8: he themed at full speed into an ice field on

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Speaker 8: a moonless night and many people died as a result.

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Speaker 5: So true, and I had not put that together, but.

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Speaker 4: Of course he did.

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Speaker 5: Parallels exactly.

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Speaker 1: The parallels are incredibly eerie that all of these warnings,

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Speaker 1: the you know, the analogous iceberg, all of these warnings

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Speaker 1: went completely unheeded and you know, ends in disaster and tragedy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is sad, I mean, but I think, really

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Speaker 2: I love Cameron too, the way he's like, I've spent

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Speaker 2: more time on the ship than the captain did. He's like,

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Speaker 2: I've you know, but at the same time, like he's

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Speaker 2: obviously right, and he even said he's like, look, I

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Speaker 2: understand what the guy was saying about regulation. But also,

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Speaker 2: you know, we went to real engineering depths. I read

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Speaker 2: even more about some of his criticisms, specifically of everything

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Speaker 2: that Ocean Gate was doing, and at a very basic level,

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Speaker 2: they were signed up for disaster years ago. For example,

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Speaker 2: they were using materials that are used for space travel,

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Speaker 2: like carbon fiber as opposed to different ones that they

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Speaker 2: would have used, because it was strong enough in space,

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Speaker 2: but wasn't designed to actually withstand the amount of pressure

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Speaker 2: that you will face it a deep sea. That's just

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Speaker 2: such a basic engineering thing. That was a cost cutting

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Speaker 2: maneuver and it's meant to be seen as high tech

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Speaker 2: by the Ocean Gate CEO whenever he was building it,

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Speaker 2: and ultimately he put people's lives in danger. And multiple

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Speaker 2: people who had been on the sub previously, we played

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Speaker 2: that before about somebody said it was a suicide mission.

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Speaker 2: Others said that you know, that they were, that they

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Speaker 2: felt dangerous, and that there were some there were cracking

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Speaker 2: sounds one of the times that they'd been on. Funnily enough,

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Speaker 2: a mister Beast put out a text message apparently he

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Speaker 2: was invited on the Titanic submersible. I mean, you could

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Speaker 2: see a world where mister Beast, as part of the

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Speaker 2: one of his videos, actually went on. So a lot

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Speaker 2: of people dodged a bullet, you know, by at least

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Speaker 2: knowing that this was dangerous. But some people didn't do

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Speaker 2: enough research or you know, they took they took the

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Speaker 2: claims at face value, And it does seem that this

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Speaker 2: was an open secret in the subcommunity that they were like, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is a real problem. And you know, I didn't

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Speaker 2: even know this. I did not know that, like we

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Speaker 2: reached the depths of the Mariana Trench. The US Navy

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Speaker 2: did it, or some guys did in like nineteen fifty,

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Speaker 2: so it's not like we haven't been doing this for

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Speaker 2: a long time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Same.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, that's crazy. So apparently we've had

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Speaker 2: that capability for a long time. But that just means

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Speaker 2: that if it's been that old, it's how extraordinary it

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Speaker 2: was to still do such a shoddy job of building

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Speaker 2: this current thing and taking people.

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Speaker 1: Out of you want to hear something that's kindastic. Apparently

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Speaker 1: downloads of My Heart Will Go On Oh, from the

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Speaker 1: Titanic soundtrack have really skyrocketed.

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Speaker 4: It's a good song and Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Netflix is bringing back the Titanic. Oh good, lineup, good

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 2: It's a great movie.

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Speaker 5: Are morbid?

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Speaker 2: All right? Yeah, people are morbid. I also saw some

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Speaker 2: memes going around where it's like one hundred and fifty

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01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 2: year timeline and it's like Titanic casualties, and it spiked

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01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen twelve and then waited until twenty twenty three

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01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: and then spiked up to four again.

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Speaker 4: So look, sorry, sorry for laughing.

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Speaker 2: I had to.

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Speaker 4: It's the Internet.

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Speaker 5: People are mean, all right, Zacher.

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Speaker 2: Really looking at it, well, it's hard to tell you

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Speaker 2: why I cannot stand Megan Margle so much. After all,

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of know nothing, attention seeking former

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: actresses in this world. Part of it is because I

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 2: do love the UK so much and I think we

1533
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: effectively exported our worst cultural asset to hurt their Royal family.

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Speaker 2: And the other part of it, though, is the way

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Speaker 2: that the media has always lapped up her obviously false

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01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 2: claims and fed into her delusions of grandeur, which culminated

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Speaker 2: in her and her husband, Prince Harry, officially leaving the

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Speaker 2: Royal family. Their departure was sold initially as principled. Megan

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01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: had allegedly been ostracized by the Royal family because of

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01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:44,879
Speaker 2: her race, according to her.

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Speaker 4: And the British press.

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01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: Was just too mean to her, but the reality of

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01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: the situation after they left is actually clear. They left

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 2: because she wasn't getting enough attention. The Royals had rules.

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 2: You had to you could be a star, but you

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01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 2: couldn't be bigger than the head Royal, and you couldn't

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01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: take positions or star in movie. Of course, as South

1548
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: Park is so hilariously put it, they just wanted privacy, right,

1549
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: which is why they moved to California to set up

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01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 2: shop and a production company. And a few years now

1551
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: into that production company, we're getting a very good view

1552
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 2: into how big of Charlatan's both Meghan and Harry really

1553
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 2: appear to be a perfect view into big entertainment companies

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01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 2: which are apparently dumb enough to feed these people's delusions

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01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 2: of grandeur. First, we already brought you the news that

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01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 2: Spotify is ending its relationship with Harry and Meghan. Reporting

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01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: indicates that they were paid some twenty million dollars for

1558
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 2: twelve episodes, and despite this astronomically high rate per episode,

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 2: Megan apparently could not find the time to actually conduct

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01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: interviews herself and would have someone else do it. She

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01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 2: would then edit in her voice as if she was

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,879
Speaker 2: the one doing in the interview, one of the craziest

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01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: things I have ever heard. But there are even more

1564
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: details on the Spotify project which are just too good.

1565
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 2: Harry apparently reneged on many parts of his deal because

1566
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: he just had too hard of a time coming up

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01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 2: with something to actually say. His ideas ranged from a

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01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: podcast on veterans issues to one on misinforma to a

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01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,839
Speaker 2: point of view of someone new living in America. Quote.

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01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: Hey at one point considered co hosting a show with

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01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 2: comedian Hassan Minaj. My personal favorite anecdote was one serious

1572
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: Harry idea where he would interview people like Donald Trump,

1573
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin, and Mark Zuckerberg, but effectively focus on only

1574
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: their childhood trauma. He also proposed interviewing Pope Francis about

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01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: religion quote in a show centered around fatherhood, and then

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01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 2: a series covering societal matters like climate change. That's not everything, though.

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01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 4: The couple also had.

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01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 2: A one hundred million dollar deal with Netflix not only

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01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: to sell their own personal story, but to come up

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01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 2: with groundbreaking new series where they would tea taken seriously.

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: As creative types, they believed quote they were qualified to

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01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: tackle the authority topic of misinformation.

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01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 4: Why is that?

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01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 2: Because apparently they know a lot about the topic after

1585
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: having to deal with the British press. That's why they

1586
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 2: totally were qualified to talk and produce an entire documentary

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: about it Luckily, I guess for all of us. They

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01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 2: were so lazy and so inept at actually getting the

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01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 2: project off the ground. Netflix killed the deal. They also

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01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: killed a so called animated children's show that Megan Markele

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01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: was involved with, and they killed quote at least two

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01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 2: TV ideas that the couple had pitched in the last year.

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01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: I swear I'm not making this up. One was a

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01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 2: project pitched by the couple was described as quote Emily

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01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: in Paris, but with a man. The other was quote

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01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 2: a family friendly TV show about a gay character that

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01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 2: was effectively derivative of the show Heartstopper. My personal favorite

1598
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 2: line is this from the New Wall Street Journal expose

1599
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: on the couple. Quote. Archwell employees and associates say that

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01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: the company often lacks direction, that its founders at times

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01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 2: seem surprised by the work required to finish entertainment projects.

1602
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,879
Speaker 2: Most potential initiatives follow a similar route. Big idea subpar

1603
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 2: execution makes sense, especially if you never actually had to

1604
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: work hard a day in your life. But as much

1605
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: as I wish that this was just about awful Airy

1606
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 2: and Megan and how bad they are, it's a story

1607
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 2: of giant entertainment companies showering the undeserving talent in cash.

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01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: Harry and Meghan did not get the idea to get

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01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: Netflix to pay them a fat stack to come up

1610
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 2: with these ideas. They stole it from the real duke

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01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: and duchess of turning yourself into a brand, Barack and

1612
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 2: Michelle Obama, who left office and almost immediately started signing

1613
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: insanely lucrative deals with the exact same companies, Spotify and Netflix.

1614
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: Yet a similar story has already played out there. Spotify

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01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 2: did not renew its deal with the Obamas because they

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: rightfully thought, if you sign a deal with Obama, Obama

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01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 2: would actually appear every once in a while on a podcast.

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01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 2: But they apparently don't want to do that. They want

1619
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: to produce content from behind the scenes that doesn't feature

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01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 2: them as must because they're so special talent producers. A

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01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: common theme is emerging here. People become famous, either through

1622
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: birth or public service, then they turned themselves into a brand.

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01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: Obama himself ceased being an actual man a very long

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01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 2: time ago. He is a multi million dollar deal, as

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01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 2: is his wife. After the book become fame, their job

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01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: is to print as much cash in this lifetime as

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01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: humanly possible while maintaining an iron death grip on the

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01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: control of the Democratic Party. Obama himself has not been

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01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 2: all that adept at actually producing good content. His National

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01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 2: Park series on Netflix was a huge flop, generated almost

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01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 2: no buzz. I personally also found it odd. Why is

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01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 2: it an American president doing a series called National Parks

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: and then including parks about other countries? Whatever? I digress.

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: The major takeaway from these two cases is how much money,

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01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: leeway and cash that you can get when you are

1636
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 2: a cultural star with the right politics take people like

1637
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 2: us out of it. How insane is our current system.

1638
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 2: From comedy to politics to almost every sector of entertainment,

1639
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 2: there is an explosion of independent talent hustling, building real audiences,

1640
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 2: connections with millions of people across the globe. Now some

1641
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 2: of them get paid, to be sure, but really only

1642
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: what the top point zero one percent. People like Joe Rogan, xQc. Others,

1643
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: they hustle their way there for years before they got paid.

1644
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: People like Obama, Harry and Megan, they jumped the line

1645
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: and they don't do any of the actual work. That

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: drives That's what actually what drives me the craziest about

1647
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: this is like, you can quit.

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01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: The Royal fan and if you want to hear my

1649
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,519
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1651
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 4: Chris L.

1652
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 2: What are you taking a look at?

1653
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 1: There is an extraordinary scandal unfolding in the lucrative world

1654
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: of behavioral science. One of the stars of the field,

1655
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: Francesca Gino, is being accused of repeated outright fraud, and

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01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: in a deliciously.

1657
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 5: Ironic twist, you really can't make this up.

1658
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: She is said to have faked results in a study

1659
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: about honesty. An incredible story, humiliating for her employer that

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01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: would be Harvard, the blue chip companies that sought out

1661
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: her services, the mainstream outlets that routinely quoted her, and

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01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: also further calls into question some of the blockbuster behavioral

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01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: science findings of the past two decades. All right, so

1664
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: let me give you a little bit of backstory here.

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01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: Behavioral scientists typically attempt to id identify subtle prompts and

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01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: tendencies that influence how human beings act. How do you

1667
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: encourage more organ donation or healthier eating, or how.

1668
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 5: Do you get consumers to buy a particular product.

1669
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 1: It's essentially the study of shaping and manipulating human behavior

1670
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: without the subject really ever knowing what is happening.

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01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 5: Over the past few.

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Speaker 1: Decades, behavioral science has shot to prominence because it's obviously

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01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: very valuable for corporations and governments to know the little

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01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: psychological tricks that can keep you buying their goods or

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01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:30,799
Speaker 1: keep employees placated and supplicant or citizens compliant. Key research

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01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 1: in the field, though, has already been called into question

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: over the years, due primarily to an inability to replicate

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01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: many of the most blockbuster findings. So back in twenty eighteen,

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01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: laboratories sought to recreate the results of twenty one different

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01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 1: studies in the field. They were only able to do

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01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 1: so in thirteen instances. Now, this was no minor affair,

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01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 1: as BuzzFeed reported at the time. Quote the eight papers

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01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: that did not fully replicate seven in the journal Science,

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01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: one in Nature, have been cited hundreds of times in

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01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: scientific literature, and many were widely covered by the media.

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01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: But this is small potatoes compared to the new revelations.

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01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: At issue is a twenty twelve paper authored by Geno

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01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: and a number of other co authors which relied on

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01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: the results of three different studies. Those studies purported to

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01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: show that people could be compelled to behave more honestly

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01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 1: if they were asked to sign an honesty pledge at

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01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: the top of a form instead of at the bottom. However,

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01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: a group of scientists that run a blog called data

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01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: Colata they were able to demonstrate that some of the

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01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: data used in the study had been tampered with and

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01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: that that fake data had actually driven the results of

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01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: that study and led to that finding. Now, the same

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01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: group of crusading researchers they had found manipulated data in

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01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 1: one of the other studies that also drove that same

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01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: blockbuster twenty twelve paper. So, for those who are keeping

1701
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: track at home, two out of the three honesty studies

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: relied on dishonest information.

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01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 5: But that's not all the data.

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01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: C lot of folks have since published additional blogs revealing

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01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: fabricated data in two other studies in which doctor Gina

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01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 1: was involved, and they are promising one more. This has

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01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: caused an earthquake in the field. She was both a

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01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: star and she collaborated widely with other researchers, all of

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01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: whom are now wondering if the results of the studies

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01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: they worked on with doctor Gina were real or fake,

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01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: and The New York Times quota behavioral scientist Maurice Schweitzer

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01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: as saying that the allegations are having large reverberations in

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01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: the academic community because doctor Gino is someone who has

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01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: so many collaborators, so many articles, who is really a

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01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: leading scholar in the field. And doctor Gino herself has

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01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: been placed on leave by her employer, Harvard University. It

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01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: doesn't take an economics degree to understand the motivations in

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01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 1: this field to create fake results, As The Chronicle of

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01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: Higher Education put it quote, her expertise has made her

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01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: in demand as a consultant speaker to some of the

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01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: world's biggest companies and institutions, but Carti, Google, Microsoft, Coca Cola, Disney, Goldman, Sex, Honeywell, Nevardes,

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01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: Procter and Gamble, and the US Air Force, Army, and Navy,

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01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: and as a source to media outlets from The New

1724
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,839
Speaker 1: York Times, the Wall Street Journal to her website.

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01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 5: She has co authored more than one hundred and.

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01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: Thirty five academic articles and written books, including twenty eighteen's

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01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: Rebel Talent, Why It Pays to Break the rules at

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01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: work and in life.

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Speaker 5: That's an interesting one, isn't it. She's also been named one.

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Speaker 1: Of the world's forty best business school professors under forty

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Speaker 1: and fifty most influential management thinkers. She is the type

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Speaker 1: of expert who does ted talks and is highly sought

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Speaker 1: after for corporate conferences and the like. And in order

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Speaker 1: to get people to continue buying your books and paying

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Speaker 1: for you to speak at their conferences, you got to

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Speaker 1: keep churning out attention grabbing research which is highly relevant

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Speaker 1: to corporate America and look study of human beings and

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Speaker 1: our particular irrationalities. That is inherently interesting, it's also potentially gross. Where,

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Speaker 1: after all, is the line between nudging or shaping behavior

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Speaker 1: and manipulative syups. What type of powerful psychological manipulations, for example,

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Speaker 1: are being unleashed on our nation's teenagers to keep them

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Speaker 1: addicted to their social media feeds even as they are

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Speaker 1: making them increasingly miserable. This is all big big business

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Speaker 1: banks and arch corporations have taken to hiring their own

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Speaker 1: in house behavioral scientists to make sure they are squeezing

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Speaker 1: their customers and their workers for everything that they are worth.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line, I guess we shouldn't be too shocked when

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Speaker 1: the top researchers in the field of manipulation are caught

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Speaker 1: engaging in their own manipulations.

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Speaker 5: And this one sager is so humiliating.

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Speaker 1: As you know, guys, we've been doing extensive coverage of

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Speaker 1: that aborted coup effort in Russian and we're very excited

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Speaker 1: now to get to talk to a resident of Moscow

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Speaker 1: and a great friend, Yegor Kotkin. He is a great

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Speaker 1: socialist thinker and writer. You can actually check them out

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Speaker 1: on substack and we'll post links for all of his

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Speaker 1: But it's great to see you, my friend.

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Speaker 6: Good to see you man, Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: So while all of this was unfolding, you were there

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Speaker 1: in Moscow watching it on Telegram, Twitter and all the

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Speaker 1: other means. I mean, just take us through what this

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Speaker 1: was like to live for live through for you.

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Speaker 6: Literally under siege.

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Speaker 12: No actually from the standpoint of a regular cities.

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Speaker 6: And you might completely miss this.

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Speaker 12: So in the SAT day, when the most events unfolded,

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Speaker 12: I just met out the regime went back, and if

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Speaker 12: I was glued to telegram channels and the bitter news,

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Speaker 12: I would not even notice that.

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Speaker 6: Something is happening.

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Speaker 12: My boyfriend, who travels much more than me, he noticed

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Speaker 12: in some places in he enters in most school there

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Speaker 12: are some unusual activity more.

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Speaker 6: But again you could easily miss it because.

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Speaker 12: Basically all events will happened and mostly online and outside

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Speaker 12: of Moscow, Moscow didn't. If you do not anticipate this

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Speaker 12: through the news coming to Moscow, you might completely miss it.

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Speaker 12: And now people just joke and that if someone went

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Speaker 12: in the mountains on the weekend and now asking what happened,

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Speaker 12: you can safely say nothing happened, because it.

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Speaker 6: It went back.

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Speaker 12: From the civil standpoint, it went back and it was

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Speaker 12: almost nothing.

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Speaker 6: But from the political from political.

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Speaker 12: Standpoint and the historical standpoint, I mean, the picture is

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Speaker 12: completely different.

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Speaker 6: Of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about that you brought up your

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Speaker 2: mom before as a good view into like how regular

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Speaker 2: Russians are internalizing propaganda, So like what is the view

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Speaker 2: from your mother from a from an average Russian media

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Speaker 2: consumer as to what the hell happened in this coupe.

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Speaker 12: Literally the first thing I did, I called to my

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Speaker 12: mother Saturday morning asked what what does she know?

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Speaker 6: She didn't know nothing because uh.

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Speaker 12: Urgently putting message to the population was unplanned. Was at

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Speaker 12: nine a m in Russia, so she missed it because

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Speaker 12: she watched her news Friday evening, so no news yet.

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Speaker 12: Then Saturday, Monday, the moon, she doesn't know what is

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Speaker 12: because she didn't watch news yet, Putting's translation went mostly

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Speaker 12: unnoticed to the most people.

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Speaker 6: And then when I ask hell again on Sunday, she

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Speaker 6: said that.

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Speaker 12: Official version is well, there was some kind of movement.

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Speaker 12: It was not good, but they didn't help anybody, So

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Speaker 12: whould let them pass m And.

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Speaker 1: So explain to us what is the you know as

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Speaker 1: best as you can. How do people largely feel about

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Speaker 1: Progoson himself? How did they feel before this attempted cue?

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Speaker 1: How do they feel after? Did they view him as

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Speaker 1: a hero? Do they view him as a trader? Is

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Speaker 1: it mixed? Is it complicated? What's your sense of that?

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Speaker 6: Well, Pregossion is mostly a media creature.

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Speaker 8: He was.

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Speaker 12: Propt to buy media in the last year because well,

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Speaker 12: you have to understand how Russian there is to understand

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Speaker 12: pregossion phenomena is, despite his public image, is very indecisive

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Speaker 12: leader and say cowardly. So he loves to all hard

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Speaker 12: decisions delegate to people below him.

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Speaker 6: Or just wait it out. When history of where it happened.

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Speaker 6: So when it was.

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Speaker 12: UH stalemate in the Ukrainian War about a year ago

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Speaker 12: happening UH, there was a vacuum, media vacuum for some

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Speaker 12: kind of leaders of this war who showed the Russia

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Speaker 12: doing something, and Prigordan just took this place.

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Speaker 6: And the media were happy.

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Speaker 12: Propaganda propaganda, what happened to use it for this purpose?

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Speaker 6: So they propped him his.

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Speaker 12: As not a mercenary leader, not a businessman my film,

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Speaker 12: but as a true Russian hero, patriot and basically a

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Speaker 12: spear plat of Russian in Ukraine. And I think that

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Speaker 12: people believed. People believed it, of course, and I think

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Speaker 12: he got high on the smell of his own parts,

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Speaker 12: as it says, because he started act like his public person.

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Speaker 12: He's actually had any political base. I mean, yes, show

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Speaker 12: like he has up to twenty percent support from Russian population.

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Speaker 12: But this is what the media push can give you.

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Speaker 12: You see this in America all the time, like where

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Speaker 12: was twenty percent of Wounder support in democratic primaries. Once

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Speaker 12: you see him in action, it disappears. So basically you

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Speaker 12: have this manufactured support for pregossion. But he believed that

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Speaker 12: he actually have a political future. He starts brawling openly

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Speaker 12: with the Russian Minister of Defense, and again it was

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Speaker 12: very opportun for him because people who are supporting this

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Speaker 12: world or even what this all to get over, which

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Speaker 12: is majorge of population, they since that there is something

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Speaker 12: the Russian military, Russian military leadership.

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Speaker 6: So when Prigordon started record his.

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Speaker 12: Viral videos giving them or given exam they thought that

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Speaker 12: he might be the change for the better. So again

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Speaker 12: it was everything that was media done, and he was

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Speaker 12: using only the lack of presence by the actual leaders

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Speaker 12: of the military and putting himself to use this opportunity.

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Speaker 6: But then you start talking.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well I was gonna ask what is your assessment

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Speaker 1: of what this will mean for the Putin regime going forward?

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Speaker 5: As best as anyone could say.

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Speaker 6: Well, my first I probably say think what I think happened.

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Speaker 6: It was not that much of a political act, I

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Speaker 6: think is.

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Speaker 12: As much as we saw how things are being done

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Speaker 12: in Puttin's regime and have been done for twenty years,

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Speaker 12: just in open view for the first time, not under

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Speaker 12: the rug. The rug got pulled away for a second.

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Speaker 12: So I'm pretty sure that Russian rehythm is the works

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Speaker 12: exactly this way. There are forces of power, There are

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Speaker 12: different clients who compete with.

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Speaker 6: Each other for money, for power, for uh.

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Speaker 12: Stage job and so on, and the pujet is their

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Speaker 12: high arbital, and there is a lot of threads, violent

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Speaker 12: threads going under the ruck. Usually right now we just

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Speaker 12: sols out in the open. But my sense that it

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Speaker 12: wasn't nothing more that internal struggle that come out in

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Speaker 12: the public political space, and the precaution did not probably

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Speaker 12: expect the backlash he will get because the people were

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Speaker 12: not ready to see this internal kitchen.

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Speaker 6: Outright on the.

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Speaker 12: Public view, because it became a historic moment, it became

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Speaker 12: part of recorded history.

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Speaker 6: So he checked out. But I think for Putting it

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Speaker 6: will be for a time being just fine.

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Speaker 12: Because as the high arbiter of Martia plants that Oligard

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Speaker 12: plans that divide Russia, he still worked out the thing,

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Speaker 12: judge fine. So he managed to pull through some deal.

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Speaker 12: What kind of deal? No one knows exactly, but he

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Speaker 12: managed to do this, so he proved his usefulness for

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Speaker 12: the people who backed back the regime once again the

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Speaker 12: same way, but now in the public usually going on

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Speaker 12: under the run. And I think the fact that it

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Speaker 12: enters in the space of public politics, it changes a lot,

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Speaker 12: but it changes.

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Speaker 6: A lot in the long run. In the short run,

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Speaker 6: it put in the win.

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Speaker 1: I think that that is fascinating. Yegor, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: It's really invaluable for us to have your insights today.

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Speaker 4: We're really grateful, Thank you, Diegor.

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Speaker 5: And also taking the personal risk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's be real, this.

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Speaker 2: Man is taking a risk. He's actually a hero. So

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Speaker 2: you know, if you want to support him, we'll have

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Speaker 2: links in the description to all of that. So thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, Diegor. We appreciate your analysis.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, great to see you, my friend.

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