1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bed You're Happy Hour. I'm 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here today with Alex. Alex, 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: welcome back to the podcast. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: Hello, how are you guys America? 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: How are you even good? 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: Thank you? 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm not going to ask you. Were you 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: shocked to go on? I think you were kind of 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: a no brainer or somebody that was going to be 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: asked to go on Paradise? You go on Paradise? Were 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: you excited? Were you hoping for. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 3: You just asked a question to Alex and then answered 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: it for her. 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: I love thank you said, were you surprised? 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: No, you weren't. 16 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: Let's hear it. Surprised, but you. 17 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: Weren't excited at all. Actually, no, I was really excited. 18 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: Honestly. 19 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: I think that was definitely more my wheelhouse than The Bachelor. 20 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 2: I think I. 21 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 4: Kind of love I'm even though it didn't come off 22 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 4: that I'm a flirt. 23 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: I love to flirt. Maybe it's a little awkward, but 24 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: I love it. 25 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 4: So having all these different dynamics and relationships to kind 26 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 4: of test out definitely was really fun and I was 27 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 4: very excited going into it. 28 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it looks like you could flirt. 29 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean I think, you know, being contestants that have 30 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: been on the show, I understand when like you know, 31 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: like because I was always kind of portrayed as more 32 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: of the awkward one, so they really like highlight that 33 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: and then no, right, that was. 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 4: Like yeah, you kind of like question your character. You're like, 35 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 4: I'm looking at my friends, I'm like, am I not awkward? 36 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 4: And or like no, not at all, but. 37 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 2: We can talk about it later. 38 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 4: I think a lot of it too, is I when 39 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 4: it comes to feelings and emotions, that's when I get 40 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 4: a little uncomfortable. And I think because that's the premise 41 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 4: of the show, more of my quirks came. 42 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: Out, for sure. 43 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like there are but there there are 44 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: more sides of view than just being awkward, Like there 45 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: are more sides to me besides yeah, there you go. 46 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: Are we like an awkward trio? 47 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: A serena awkward Too's like you guys are both conversation 48 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: right now. 49 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: You guys are both a little awkward. 50 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: But I love it. 51 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: I love a little quirkiness. I also think people forget 52 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 3: watching that your first language is French. 53 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: That's another thing too that people forget and I was 54 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: telling everybody on the show, and they knew is sometimes 55 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 4: it would take me time to process certain things or 56 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: like jokes. And Andrew would always sell the show like 57 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 4: I kind of a risk taker. I would like say 58 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 4: jokes and sometimes it would land. So then I so 59 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: I for me to not be embarrassed, I would like 60 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 4: make it a little awkward so it's funny, you know. 61 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: So I think that came into play also a lot. 62 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So you you get down the Paradise and it's 63 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: you and Jonathan, and you know, as a viewer watching it, 64 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: it definitely seems like it's there's something missing. 65 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I will be honest. In the first episode, you're 66 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: in that love triangle and I actually thought you were 67 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 3: gonna send Jonathan help. 68 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 4: I okay, so that's interesting. I definitely had more chemistry 69 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 4: I think with Ricky for sure, but there were certain 70 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 4: signs that happen. And you have such a short time 71 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 4: that you have to make a quick decision, so you 72 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: have to look at every little thing and be nitty 73 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: nitty gritty, look at the nitty. 74 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: Gritty of things. And I think what really. 75 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 4: Made my decisions to wait to Jonathan is I saw 76 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: more potential than Jonathan, and then kind of like the 77 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 4: little feud with or the little tiff with Hakim and 78 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: certain things that were said that I didn't really align 79 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 4: with who I was. I wanted to kind of play 80 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 4: it differently this time around and not go with what 81 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 4: I'm feeling now, but also what is gonna be good 82 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: for longevity and long term? 83 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense? 84 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But then you know, you pair up with 85 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: Jonathan but there's really nothing there. And then Andrew comes down. 86 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: You guys have a great conversation, and Andrew does what 87 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: he always does and screws it up and he asked 88 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: Bailey on a day. 89 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: I'm joking Andrew, I anyways, that's for another conversation. 90 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: He ends up asking Bailey on a date. Were you 91 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: surprised by that? 92 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: So this is funny because I walking up to the 93 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: conversation with Andrew, I told my producer, I said this 94 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: because you know, every time a guy would come down, 95 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: they would ask two girls to chat and then they 96 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 4: would pick them, pick whoever they wanted for the date, 97 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: and they this was going to be the fourth time 98 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 4: where someone would pull me for a chat and then 99 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 4: they would go for the other girls. So I said 100 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 4: as a joke, I said, Okay, if I don't get 101 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 4: this date, I'm sending myself home. 102 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: This is like I'm obviously doing something wrong. 103 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 4: I'm too awkward, I said, I know if I have 104 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 4: to tap into my like sensual side, because this is. 105 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: Clearly not working. So I'm joking And so definitely my. 106 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 4: Reaction when Bailey comes in the room and tells me 107 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 4: that she gets picked by Andrew, it wasn't necessarily that 108 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 4: was Andrew that I was so absord had to pin 109 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 4: my stomach, for sure, But it was more like the 110 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: overall I felt embarrassed. I was like, oh my gosh, 111 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 4: like something's wrong with me that they choose to talk 112 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: to me, and then the second I opened my mouth 113 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 4: they go to the other girl. So but I wasn't 114 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: shocked because Bailey is so funn She's so lighthearted great 115 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 4: that I was, you know, even in that moment when 116 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: she was crying that she felt like she was betraying. 117 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: Jeremy for going on that date. 118 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: I told her, oh my gosh, go for it. You're 119 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 4: on paradise. What else this is? It's so early on, 120 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 4: like he just went on a date with Susie. Do 121 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 4: it like, go, you have nothing to lose, like, see 122 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 4: if there's a connection there, try it out. 123 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: And then so we see, I agree with that, and 124 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: then that's. 125 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: Gotta suck, though, Like I really feel for you because 126 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: it's like getting punched in the same wound over and 127 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: over that by the time Andrew does it, you must 128 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: just be like, you know, I have no. 129 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: No, You're good. 130 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I really feel for you because 131 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: it's like getting punched in the same wound over and over. 132 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: And as much as you have a good thing going 133 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: with Jonathan, I think it's kind of obvious to the viewers, 134 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: to you, even to Jonathan maybe that the romantic connection 135 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: is not there. You clearly are putting yourself out there. 136 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: You want to find something romantic, and you're like, god, 137 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: I'm like so close every time. And I will say, 138 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: you know, Bailey is so lovely, but like we know 139 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: Andrew personally, and I was like, Andrew, like, Alex is 140 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: like such a fit for you. So I was also surprised, 141 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: you know, nothing against Bailey, just you know, of course. 142 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 4: Knowing Andrew, and yeah, I don't know if that was 143 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 4: going to be the next question. But so the next 144 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 4: day when they came back from the date. Things were 145 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 4: a little bit put out of order, but I'm the 146 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: first person you want to talk to, and that's you know. 147 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: The conversation was awkward, but it was also very choppy 148 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 4: because we're trying to talk in codes because we had 149 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: pre existing reasons why we didn't want to go for 150 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: each other at first, and we kind of walked it 151 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 4: out in codes in that conversation and I was like, well, 152 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 4: I thought that you, and he goes no, I thought 153 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 4: that you. 154 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: I heard that this and I was like, oh my gosh, no, no, no. 155 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 4: And that's the second after that conversation, you were like 156 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 4: two peas in a pod. It like made sense. 157 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: So we had our reservations coming into. 158 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: It, even though you could clearly tell I wasn't to 159 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: him regardless, but we had our reservations because of again 160 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 4: external factors. And then when we clear that up again, 161 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 4: it was just like two bees in a pod. 162 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: Do you want to break down those external factors a 163 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: little bit? 164 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: I think there were things that were said in terms. 165 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: Of on both ends of the type of people we 166 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: would usually date this, and we both thought he thought, well, 167 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 4: she's not going to be into me, and I thought well, 168 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be into me, so 169 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 4: that's why we, like I said, kind of, and maybe 170 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: that's the decision he that's why he chose I don't know, 171 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: that's for him to say. 172 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: But once we had that conversation and. 173 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 4: We were like, no, that's not true, we were like, okay, 174 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 4: well you're my person obviously, because it's funny, right before 175 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: that conversation where the night that he chose Bailey, we 176 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 4: had before the conversation we had the first ever he goes, 177 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: I feel like we hadn't even talked to this. I 178 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: feel like there's something, you know, I feel like there's 179 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: something between us, and I'm like, actually, I kind of 180 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: feel it too. 181 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, well I think I honestly, I think it 182 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: was the best. I think it was good for him 183 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: to actually take Bailey instead of you, because then when 184 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: we do see you guys have a conversation after that date. 185 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: It seems like he also like kind of went in 186 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: there a little more chill, he had his guard down. 187 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: I think he kind of went in there like, well, 188 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: now I'm just shooting my shot and and you're gonna 189 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: see the real meat, because now, like I'm really gonna like, 190 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: go for it, and I think it worked and I 191 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: think we actually saw like I was like, oh, these two. 192 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: They have kind Yeah, he seemed by the time he 193 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: had a conversation with you, it seemed like he was like, Okay, 194 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: I kind of know what I want now and I'm 195 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: just gonna go. 196 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: He told me on the show too, after this is 197 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: what or not after show, but on the show what 198 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 4: he told me his reasoning was too right, because I 199 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 4: also didn't want to feel like a second option ever, 200 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: and not that there's anything wrong with that, that's just 201 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 4: I didn't want to feel like if there's a better cause, 202 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: I was gonna leave. He had to talk me off 203 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 4: the ledge that day and I was like, no, I'm leaving. 204 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: He's like, no, please stay, and I'm like, say it again. 205 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: Maybe you didn't want to feel like, you know, Bailey 206 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: went back to Jeremy and then he was like, Okay, 207 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: well let me go try things without exactly exactly. 208 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: So that's kind of after Like I said, I'm glad 209 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: we had that conversation because it made just so much 210 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 4: more sense, and then. 211 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: We were able to really yeah and get to know 212 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: each other more. 213 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So then before Jesse comes down and turns the 214 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: show into what is now a competition show. Where are 215 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: you and Andrew at as far as your relationship? Are 216 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: you locked in? Are you? Are you boyfriend girlfriend? 217 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 4: Uh? 218 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: Definitely locked in? 219 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 4: It's cute during the compatibility Oh no, that was actually 220 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 4: with when the money came in. But Sean comes in 221 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: before the money aspect, and he did tell me that 222 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: was the only one at that point that hadn't gone 223 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: in a date. 224 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: Or left the beach. 225 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 4: So he did express some interest in me, and he 226 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 4: said I would love to bring on a date as 227 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: much as I wanted to get off that beach and 228 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 4: just you know, especially that Andrew had just brought Bailey 229 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 4: in a date I wanted. I said, I would love 230 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: to go. I think we'll have a lot of fun. 231 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 4: It's like four wheeling. That's definitely my cup of tea. 232 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: But I'm going to be honest with you. I think 233 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 4: if you choose me, regardless, my rose is going to 234 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 4: go to Andrew. So we were both very locked in 235 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 4: after that. 236 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: Okay, nice, Well, how do you feel when Jesse comes 237 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: and says the person you're with is your partner now 238 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: and this is a competition show. 239 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: Goodness, Thank goodness. 240 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: No. I was just so happy because it felt like 241 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 4: we were already a team, and it was like knowing 242 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 4: that we would move as a team felt very reassuring. 243 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so now we have to we have to touch 244 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: on the Bailey Jeremy stuff because you you unfortunately are 245 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: getting I would say you got a decent amount of 246 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: heat just for you know, it seems watching the show, 247 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: it seems like you and Bailey are super tight and 248 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: you guys are are like best friends. So I think 249 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: everyone's like, well, Alex, why didn't you tell your friend 250 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: if you knew this information? And yeah, just like what's 251 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: your take on all of it? 252 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 4: Of course my take is still you know, I looking 253 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 4: back hindsight, it's always twenty twenty. I've apologized before all 254 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: of this aired because I knew I should have told her, 255 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 4: and I've continued to apologize, So there's no no excuse 256 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 4: for that. There's a little bit of context that me 257 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: and Jeremy coming into Paradise, I consider Jeremy my closest friend. 258 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 2: On the beach. 259 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: We had talked every day, we facetimed every day, like 260 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: three weeks coming up to Paradise. 261 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: He told me who he was interested in being both 262 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:25,479 Speaker 2: Bailey and Susie. 263 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 4: And so I even joked the first day because I 264 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 4: you know, during my pre interviews they were asked me, who. 265 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: Are you interested in? 266 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 4: And I said, well, we might, you know, I might. 267 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 4: Me and Jeremy we've had this little we've been talking. 268 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 4: Maybe I'll try to pursue that. And the first day 269 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 4: I said, I really value your friendship. Let's I think 270 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 4: let's just stay friends. And I would call him my 271 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 4: best friend like every Yeah. 272 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: So then the night of. 273 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 4: The Rose ceremony, when you have to pick between Bailey 274 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 4: and Susie, he did come to me and he said, 275 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 4: you know, you know, me out the best out of 276 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 4: everyone here, who should I pick. I didn't have a 277 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: friendship with Bailey before Paradise. I know we were in 278 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 4: the same season, but you know, different groups of friends, 279 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 4: so right, so I did say, you know, I would 280 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 4: go with Bailey. I mean, I wasn't friends with her before, 281 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 4: but I'm her roommate and I'm seeing a lot of 282 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: really good qualities that I think you guys would really 283 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: mesh with. So that's kind of And then the next day, 284 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: when he had his little he got upset that she 285 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: he went on a date with with with Andrew and 286 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 4: he came to me, I had just broken up with Jonathan. 287 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 4: I was crying, and he tells me he called Susie. 288 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 4: I don't want to say I wasn't shocked, I think 289 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 4: because I knew he was really conflicted the day before 290 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: he told me that, and I felt it was like a, well, 291 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be vindictive. You know, you want to go 292 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 4: on a date when I picked you and I really 293 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 4: told you how much I liked you, still not. I 294 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 4: think it's really not a good, not good behavior, but 295 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 4: I think it came from a place of like his 296 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 4: ego was bruised. So the next day, you know, we 297 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 4: wake up and then I tell him, you know, I 298 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: think you should just tell Bailey regardless. I think, just 299 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 4: be straight up with her. I think that's the best 300 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 4: thing he can do. And he did tell me that 301 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: the phone call wasn't a big deal, and I said 302 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 4: that's funny because I said, you know they're going to 303 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 4: air that, right And he goes, oh, no, he won't. 304 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: It's really not a big deal. And I talked to 305 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 4: Bailey and we're good. So for me, I really trusted 306 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 4: his word that if. 307 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: He's so confident they're not going to air it. 308 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 4: It must not be anything, right, So it doesn't still 309 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 4: excuse the fact that I should have told regardless Bailey 310 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: the next day. I just trusted someone I thought was 311 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: a friend and trusted his word, and looking back on 312 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 4: it now, knowing the extent, it's I think it makes 313 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: it even more heightened, right. 314 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: Right, And I think that it's like interesting context to 315 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: be added that you had this close relationship with Jeremy, 316 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: because I just really don't think that translates. Watching the show, 317 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 3: it does seem like that you and Bailey are so close. 318 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 3: We don't actually see a friendship between you and Jeremy really. 319 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: No, not at all. And it's and we both said, 320 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: me and Bailey at the end of this, we said. 321 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 4: Because we both agreed, we were like, I don't think 322 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 4: we were really fan of each other before this, and 323 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 4: we said, I'm so glad that we were able to 324 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 4: see another side of each other and you have this bond. 325 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: So but it's again, I don't want to I just 326 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: want to preface again, it's not an excuse looking back, 327 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 4: it's like stand up for stand up for the you know, 328 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 4: and I just but the information I had at the time. 329 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 4: I didn't think it was going to benefit the relationship. 330 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: I didn't want to make it look like it was. 331 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 4: What if the phone call wasn't a big deal and 332 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: I was just trying to sabotage a relationship where I 333 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: look like a tattletale. 334 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: That's I thought. You know what he handled it. He 335 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: said it's not a big deal. 336 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: They're good, and I could tell he really really liked her, 337 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 4: knowing again that I knew him before the show and 338 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 4: he said he was really interested in her. I just 339 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: knew a little bit more I guess of his feelings 340 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: towards her, If that makes sense. 341 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, were you under the impression because you mentioned it? 342 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: Were you under the impression when he said it's not 343 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: a big deal I already talked to Bailey. Did you 344 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: think that he told Bailey a little bit about it? 345 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: No, because he did say I said, he said, I 346 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 4: didn't tell her about the phone call, so that I 347 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: will admit he didn't tell me. He told her, but 348 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: he said he kept saying the phone call was really 349 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 4: not a big deal. 350 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: You say to Jeremy at one point, like, hey, like 351 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: everyone knows that you should tell Bailey. 352 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: Well, no, so that I don't remember saying that because 353 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 4: at that point when the whole Brian thing happened, I 354 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: didn't know. I thought it was me and Andrew that 355 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: new And that's because I thought, oh, he came to 356 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: me and he told uh Andrew about it. So I 357 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 4: felt a little like, oh, he trusts me, like he 358 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 4: because he told he asked me who to pick. He 359 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 4: feels like we have this trust between us. And it's 360 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 4: more at the end, when someone's told us everybody knows 361 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 4: and it's Brian who's gonna tell her. That's when I 362 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, wait, everyone knows that dad 363 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 4: is terrible. That that makes it like, yes, exactly, the 364 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: jokes on you, which is such an unfortunate position to 365 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 4: be in, and it's I never no one would want 366 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 4: to be in that position. So I definitely felt no. 367 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 4: I felt for Bailey. 368 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're you are. 369 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: You are also you're you're in a tough position, because 370 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: I would I would feel like I was in a 371 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: tough position if I was also a friend, Like if 372 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: it's tough, you are friends with both of them, and 373 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: on top of it, you are dealing with your own 374 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: shit like people do forget. 375 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: That trying I was crying over Jonathan that night, right, 376 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 4: so I wasn't in a place to be exactly like, oh, 377 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: let me focus on your relationship and try to see 378 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 4: fix your relationship. 379 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: Having lived it and then watching it back in a 380 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: dream world. How would this situation have played out? 381 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 4: I think I would have, Like I said, I did 382 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: tell Jeremy. I think just be upfront. If it's not 383 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 4: a big deal, tell him. I think what I would 384 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 4: have done different is maybe ask more about the phone 385 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 4: call and then also tell him if well, if you're 386 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: not going to tell him her, I'm going to tell her, 387 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 4: right like I Looking back on it, you know, we 388 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 4: should have each other's back, and that's something I regret 389 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 4: for sure. I don't think I would have gone behind 390 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 4: his back and told Bailey, because again, he's a friend 391 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 4: and I want to be a good friend to him too. 392 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 4: But I think going up to him and telling her him, 393 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 4: if you don't tell her, I. 394 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: Will, Yeah, yeah, that. 395 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: Makes sense, Brian, tell Bailey, we see that conversation happen. 396 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 3: How are you feeling that night? We see you go 397 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: talk to Bailey kind of walk us through that evening. 398 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 4: Right, So funny enough, that night I was gonna go 399 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 4: tell Jeremy if it's exactly what I said. If you 400 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 4: don't tell her, I will, And the man is sleeping, 401 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, Parisa tells me that's the 402 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 4: night I found out that everyone knew. And Parisa tells 403 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 4: me it's Brian. 404 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: He's going to tell about the phone call. 405 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: So that's why you see me kind of like, oh 406 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 4: my gosh, it's Brian, because I thought like it would 407 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 4: be my position, if anything, to talk to Jeremy. I'm 408 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 4: the closest went to him. So that's why it came 409 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 4: a surprise when I'm going around like it's Brian was 410 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: going to tell her because I was going to tell Jeremy. 411 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 4: And at that point, I think, I'm going to speak 412 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: for myself and a couple of people. All we knew 413 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 4: was again what I just said, the phone call, and 414 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 4: it's not a big deal. So I think I think 415 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 4: that's why it was a shock that it was coming 416 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 4: from Brian, because we all thought he knew. We didn't 417 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 4: know the extent that he knew about the proposal and whatnot, 418 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 4: so knowing just the information we had, I think that's 419 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 4: why we were so surprised. 420 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: Why would it come from Brian. 421 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: Right, That makes sense because from the cast perspective, I 422 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: guess it's just the phone call. 423 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 4: Whereas Brian, we're just we just know the information that's 424 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 4: in front of us, and as we're watching, as with 425 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 4: the viewers, we're learning so much more things that's going 426 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 4: on in the interviews and things that's been said privately 427 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 4: to other people. Right, But with with what we have 428 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: in front of us, that's what we thought, Yeah and no. 429 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: Go ahead. Joe. 430 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: Has this situation affected your relationship with Jeremy as of today? 431 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 4: I we you know, throughout the season, I made sure 432 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 4: to reach out to both to check up on them, 433 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 4: and when all of the heat kind of went to us, 434 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 4: you know, even that night, I checked up on him. 435 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 4: I'm just going to say it was a little disappointed 436 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 4: that I never received a text or anything or. 437 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: Something that I think would have shown. 438 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: That, hey, you had my not my back, but you know, 439 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: you took the heat for something. Maybe I should have 440 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 4: been the one to say I told her, and I 441 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 4: never received any of that. 442 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: So it's definitely I'm trying to figure that out right now, 443 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: you know. But so. 444 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 4: It's tough, like looking back at the whole show, it's like, 445 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 4: is that how he like the things he said about Bailey? 446 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: It's tough to say, like, is this someone that I 447 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: would still want to have, you know, in my life? 448 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: Okay, so we see, So the game is moving, moving 449 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: past that subject. Now the games of competition. Are you 450 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: and Andrew at all talking strategy and how to potentially 451 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: win or do you guys even care because we don't 452 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: really see. We don't see you guys talking strategy at all. 453 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 4: So my whole motto, my whole mentra I guess, was 454 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: I believe in karma. And of course everybody wants to 455 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 4: have to win half a million dollars. That would be 456 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 4: silly to say, oh, we know, But my whole mentra 457 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 4: was I want good karma, and for good karma to 458 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 4: happen is let's let's put the couples that I think 459 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 4: are strong and are going to have longevity outside of this, 460 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: let's try to push them to the final right. And 461 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: I didn't want to talk about strategy because I felt like, 462 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 4: that's bad karma exactly, kind of like what happened to Sean. 463 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 4: I think he was so which it makes sense he 464 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 4: wanted to be strategic about it, but I felt like 465 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: if I do that, it's going to bite me in 466 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 4: the butt, right, And also I kept saying, like what 467 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 4: will cross that bridge? When we cross that bridge when 468 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 4: we want to vote, Like let's just focus. And I 469 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 4: know it sounds very corny to say, but we just 470 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 4: wanted to like laugh and get We didn't want to 471 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 4: talk about the game. 472 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: Like he's such a funny guy that I was like. 473 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: Give me your best jokes. I don't care about whoever 474 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 4: votes for who or who's the alliances. Like again, just 475 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: let's be nice to everybody. Hopefully people believe in us. 476 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 3: And we're also like I did sign up for a 477 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 3: competition show, like I'm just here. 478 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: In to date exactly exactly. I mean, I love a 479 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: good compettion. I'm super competitive. 480 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: I love it. During the games, I was like locked in. 481 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 4: But besides that, when it was just one on one 482 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 4: time with them, we. 483 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: Just didn't care. 484 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 4: Well, like I think we've you know, we have a 485 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 4: good reputation here and we've shown people before even the 486 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 4: money came into play, that we really cared for each other. 487 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 2: So that's all we can really need to do. 488 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: It's an interesting element because if you are in a 489 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: relationship that's working and you see a future that's clearly 490 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: where your energy is gonna go. But then again, if 491 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: you are a Sean or a Jonathan or somebody that's 492 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: in a platonic relationship, it does make sense to be like, okay, well, 493 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: the interesting part of the rest of the show for 494 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: me is to play the game. So then the strategy 495 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: actually becomes like it is, becomes a numbers thing where 496 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, the tight relationships it makes sense 497 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: for them to vote the same way and stick together, 498 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: and then the people that are the other end, it 499 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: makes sense to try to pick you guys off. 500 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. 501 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 4: I don't Blaine Jonathan for doing talking strategy at this point, 502 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 4: that was the only thing left for him. I mean, 503 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: for Sean interesting because he did say he was a 504 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: strong couple, so maybe he should have just stayed with 505 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 4: what most of us were thinking. Let's just you know, 506 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 4: cross that bridge. When we crossed that bridge, he wasn't 507 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: really in a platonic relationship, so I don't think he 508 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: was really at risk of being voted out. 509 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: We see in this episode, we see like the therapists 510 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: come down and you guys have a lot of cute moments. 511 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: I we said in the interview with Kathy. None of 512 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: us really agreed with this, but the therapist said that 513 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: you and Andrew don't have any sexual chemistry. 514 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: Funny, So I'm curious to say what you guys are 515 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: going to say, because none of us and none of 516 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: the other couples agreed. 517 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: We were like what we're like, can't stop touching each other? 518 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: Were always what did I say? 519 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: I think my argument would be like, I don't agree 520 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: with her, but like, you're also like in the woods 521 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 3: with like a bagillion bug so maybe just like that 522 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: she wasn't seeing it, whereas like as someone that's seen 523 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 3: you guys like buy the pool and by the bar 524 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: and eating together, I think like the romance really translates. 525 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 4: Right, And one thing that came out of that, of 526 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 4: course we didn't agree at first, but we both it 527 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: really struck a nerve. 528 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 2: We're like, oh, wait, what are we not seeing that 529 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: people are seeing? 530 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: Right? 531 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 2: So we both reflected on our own. 532 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 4: About that, and I think something really great happened came 533 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 4: out of that is that we kind of realized on 534 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 4: both of our on both of our ends, that we 535 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 4: were holding back a little bit, like as much as 536 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 4: we really liked each other. We had our own again 537 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 4: reservations and that moment when she said there's no chemistry, 538 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: I talk to my producer and I was like, I 539 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 4: really like him, and I don't know what I think. 540 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 4: There's all these things that I'm holding back from, and 541 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: I realized, no, this is I want to be honest 542 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 4: with my emotion my feelings with him, and I'm going 543 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 4: to tell him that I'm you know, falling in love 544 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 4: with him, and same thing. 545 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: I think. 546 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 4: That reflection just helped us grow more together for sure. 547 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: Definitely, what did it mean for you guys to have 548 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 3: that conversation about falling in love with each other? And 549 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: we do see this kind of sweet moment where you 550 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 3: realize you're going to say it first, and you you know, 551 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: you shell up a little bit, and Andrew takes your 552 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 3: hand and he you know, takes that jump first. 553 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: Right. 554 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: So you know, throughout the show, you guys know that 555 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 4: I come off very awkward, and especially when it's me 556 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 4: talking about my feelings and again I don't want to 557 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 4: go too much into detail, and well it was me, 558 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 4: but something I did share with Andrew is and that 559 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: we both related. You know, we had not traditional family 560 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 4: upbringing and something that I told him is that I 561 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 4: you know, I didn't grow up, didn't see my dad 562 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 4: for eighteen years of my life, and my mom we 563 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 4: had a rocky relationship, and you know, I was sexually 564 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 4: exploited by someone close to my family, and the person 565 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 4: that should have been there for me never. 566 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: Supported me. So I think I had a bit. 567 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 4: I have a very tainted relationship with like what love 568 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 4: should look like. And I told him, I said, there's 569 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 4: a difference between saying I love you and showing it right. 570 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: So growing up, even if I heard it, I didn't 571 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: really feel it. 572 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 4: And I told that to Andrew, and I told him, 573 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 4: I said, it's the first time that a partner. 574 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: Because I'm a very open book. I tell everything. 575 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: I tell everyone my story because it helps me cope. 576 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: But not only did he listen, he actively made like 577 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 4: actions to understand me. So when he took my hand 578 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 4: and he said I love you for I'm falling in 579 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: love with you first, I knew that was him saying 580 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 4: I know why you are the way you are and 581 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 4: let me step it up for you and show you 582 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 4: that I care because I understand where you're coming from. 583 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 4: So it was like a moment where I was like, 584 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 4: oh wow, I feel very safe with this person. 585 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 586 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: So it was such a beautiful moment. It like really 587 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 4: like my shoulders were just relieved. 588 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: And then I do what I do best. 589 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 4: I get up, and then I'm like because I'm awkward, 590 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my gosh, we just shared. 591 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 2: All these moments. And then I look back and it's 592 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 2: not following, and I'm like, well, he's in love with me, 593 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: you should follow me back. 594 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 4: And he's like, I can't get up, and I have 595 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 4: to put out. 596 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: I have to put it out because I that's me. 597 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: I'm impulsive and. 598 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 4: I have to say that, which I think it's cute 599 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 4: because that's our relationship. 600 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: Like it's so I need. 601 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 4: I always say, I need to cut it with humor 602 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 4: a little bit. I'll be vulnerable, but then I have 603 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 4: to like snap it back with some humor. And he 604 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 4: appreciates that, so that I think that's why on the 605 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 4: show we make a good team. 606 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you're exactly right, like that moment 607 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: encompassed you guys as individuals and as a couple so beautifully. 608 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 3: We're like, yeah, I think that's just amazing that he 609 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: really took the time to like get to know you 610 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 3: and what you need to feel safe and loved, and 611 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: in that moment was able to show up for you 612 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: in that way. 613 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 4: And like exact, there's so many other moments where I 614 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 4: just felt so not that he's a therapist to me, 615 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 4: but I would you know, I had tough decisions to make, 616 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 4: and then I would feel I would shut down. 617 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: I was so nervous. And he said, do you think you. 618 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 4: Don't like to let people down because X y Z 619 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 4: and I would be like, oh my gosh, wow, Like, 620 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 4: first of all, you listen to what I'm telling you, 621 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 4: but also you're like trying to make sense of who 622 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 4: I am and why do. 623 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: The things I do? And that's not something I've ever had. 624 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: So definitely on Andrew's like Andrew's like, no sexual chemistry, here's. 625 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 3: Proofly He's like, I. 626 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: Take a look at me, baby, cameras camera, Okay, So yeah, 627 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you guys have been great to watch. 628 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: This has been a fun season. You know. I I 629 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: consider you guys to be one of the strongest couples. 630 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: We don't know, uh what's going to happen. Is there 631 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: any any other thing you want to ask before we 632 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: let Alex go? 633 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you know, we've only got one 634 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 3: episode left of the season. Well, yes, we have the finale, 635 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 3: if you could tease a little bit of that. 636 00:27:54,280 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 4: So definitely, the last episode is gonna be surprising. I 637 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 4: don't think I've ever been in a position that I 638 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 4: experienced something like that. 639 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, gut wrenching to experience. 640 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, this is the first season that they've 641 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 3: included a cash prize, a competition element, so we are 642 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 3: very excited to see how they close out this season 643 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 3: and who inevitably wins the money potentially. 644 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, Alex, Alex, thank you, thank you so much 645 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: for coming on and it was a pleasure talking to you. 646 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me, guys, I appreciate it. 647 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 1: Thank you of course, and to all our listeners, thank 648 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: you for tuning in to Better Happy Hour. Make sure 649 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: you download and subscribe to the podcast. 650 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: We have new and exclusive interviews every single week. Thanks 651 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: for listening. Bye.