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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noelah.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis codenamed Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here, and that makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. A lot of

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Speaker 3: news in the world these days, these evenings, A lot

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Speaker 3: of it surprise surprise, folks, is strange. So, fellow conspiracy realists,

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Speaker 3: we return to you again at the top of the

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Speaker 3: week with some very strange news. There are a lot

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Speaker 3: of stories we might not get to in full, but

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Speaker 3: we're going to explore some stuff Congress doesn't want you

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Speaker 3: to know. Maybe depending on your representative. We're going to

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Speaker 3: have an intensely troubling story about fast food joint spoiler,

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Speaker 3: have you ever felt like the person at the drive

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Speaker 3: through didn't want to be there? But before we do

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Speaker 3: any of that, we're going to talk a little bit

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Speaker 3: about how do you want to put a bent products.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we'll just talk about some products. It's about

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Speaker 2: imports and exports boys products. Ah oh yeah. This is

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Speaker 2: a story that comes to us from the BBC News.

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Speaker 2: It's an article that was published on Monday, December eleventh,

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Speaker 2: and the tale is from a little place called Stratfordshire.

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Speaker 2: It's just north of Birmingham, not Alabama, but in the

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Speaker 4: Is it upon Avon or is that a different Stratfordshire.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's on Sandwich.

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Speaker 4: Carry on.

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Speaker 2: There's one town within this Stratfordshire, I guess county called

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Speaker 2: Burton upon Trent, which is kind of nice. Okay, But

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Speaker 2: here's the story. It's a little vague at first, and

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Speaker 2: we're doing this purposefully, so it's kind of a surprise

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Speaker 2: when you find out what the products are. Here we

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Speaker 2: go from the article in Stratfordshire, Trading Standard officers seized

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Speaker 2: eight pounds of illegal products from twenty two shops in

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Speaker 2: Last year, twenty five million pounds worth of US products

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Speaker 2: were imported, which is seventy percent more than in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: What are we talking about here, guys?

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Speaker 3: Products?

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Speaker 2: Products, So let's jump to a quote from John Herriman.

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Speaker 2: I think Herriman. He's the chief executive of the Chartered

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Speaker 2: Trading Standards Institute or CTSI. This is the quote. Trading

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Speaker 2: standards work extremely hard to protect the public by removing

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Speaker 2: dangerous products from sale, but the popularity of these items

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Speaker 2: these through our ports and borders in the millions, and

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Speaker 2: these are then being widely distributed and ending up in

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Speaker 4: Wait, and we're not talking about drugs here, are we?

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Speaker 4: Retail stores? What kind of affront is this?

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Speaker 3: What do children buy? Like?

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Speaker 2: Nuclear weapons, tires, dirty weapons, slam shots. No, here's a

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Speaker 2: short list of some of the products. The dangerous products

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Speaker 2: that were removed. Mountain dew, double bubble gum, Jolly Rancher

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Speaker 2: gummies and hard candies, Starburst gummies, hot to mollies, you know,

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Speaker 2: the candy Swedish fish, lemonheads and Little Debbie cupcakes.

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Speaker 3: The white phosphorus of snacks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it will be the first one to say that

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Speaker 4: Swedish fish should be categorized as carcinogenic toxins because they're

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Speaker 3: I go in a little place with this. So why

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Speaker 2: Well, specifically because the United Kingdom has past legislation that

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Speaker 2: makes specific food additives that are in all of these products,

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Speaker 2: it makes them illegal. You cannot buy or sell food

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Speaker 2: products that have some of these things in them. Several

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Speaker 4: Yeah. When I first hear you talking about this, I'm

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Speaker 2: No, these are illegally being shipped into the United Kingdom

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Speaker 4: But the formula, it's not like there's some adulterants, Like

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Speaker 3: Yes, I got it, Okay, legally manufactured in the United States. However, again,

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's fascinating, and we're going to end this segment

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Speaker 2: just I think it's perfectly British and exactly like the

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Speaker 2: So if you look at Jolly Ranchers, the hard candies,

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Speaker 2: But again totally fine for us to have it here

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it's not like they're on the board

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Speaker 3: of Okay, well, you know what, leave it in. Just

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Speaker 3: play along at home, folks, choose your own adventure and

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Speaker 3: let us know your opinion on privatized healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, then let's look at something like Mountain dew.

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Speaker 2: Why is that banned before the show? Mapp Well, it

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Speaker 2: we've talked about brominated vegetable oil, which is one of

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Speaker 2: which is fully banned within any drinks in the United Kingdom.

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Speaker 2: In animal studies, according to this article from the BBC,

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Speaker 3: And obviously, obviously Swedish fish contain a lot of thlidamide, Right.

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Speaker 2: Over This is a thing that occurs fairly regularly. That

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Speaker 2: Chartered Trading Standards Institute, that person, and that group does

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Speaker 2: these kinds of checks, almost like looking into shops to

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a real problem because again social media TikTok

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Speaker 2: In the UK, you can buy mountain dew, but it's

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Speaker 2: a very different mountain dew with many fewer ingredients, and

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Speaker 3: out to Little's right, isn't that the grocery chain that's

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Speaker 2: Well yes, it's just crazy to think of. I just

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Speaker 4: Things which wheat thins. I thought those were healthy.

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Speaker 2: It's it's the again, the food additives that go into

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Speaker 2: that stuff. BHD is what it's called, I think, beutilated.

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Speaker 2: That's probably not wrong.

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Speaker 4: Probably the sweetest breakfast cereal you get over there is

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Speaker 4: A lot of cereals are really popular too over there,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but not not oatmeal at least not Quaker oats

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Speaker 2: But it is so weird that this stuff is just

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Speaker 4: All of these products totally. I mean, I did have

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Speaker 3: Red whatever all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, artificial colors as additives are also banned, such as

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Speaker 2: yellow five, yellow six, and red forty. For sure.

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Speaker 3: Check out our previous episode.

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Speaker 2: Exactly for sure.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny though, because my kid recently told me

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Speaker 4: that a lot of these TikTok videos sharing this kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff, they're almost kind of nihilistic in nature, where

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Speaker 4: they acknowledge how potentially dangerous they are. It's almost like

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Speaker 4: tempting fate. And they're really like like red forty and

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Speaker 4: yellow five, those are almost like buzz terms in the

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Speaker 4: in the gen z, you know, kind of parlance.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. I would recommend everybody, if you've got time,

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Speaker 2: head over to Stratford Sure dot gov dot UK and

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Speaker 2: check out their newsroom because they've got they've just got

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Speaker 4: You're totally right, and I'm looking it up now and

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Speaker 2: And just to get back to that thing of is

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Speaker 2: This quote from Eric Millstone or Millstone Millstone, I think

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that they are actually cancer causing for humans, right,

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Speaker 3: Preventative Yeah, I mean that makes the argument of caution

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Speaker 3: News, and we have returned going into the idea. I

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Speaker 3: Like the best Popeyes in town here in Atlanta legendary,

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Speaker 3: There's a yeah, I won't belabor the time to have

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Speaker 2: Well, isn't it like the work release program before?

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Speaker 2: Do we know which companies are benefiting from this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the fig lea for the fig lea for the

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Speaker 3: looking for the people that do not have community or

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Speaker 3: resources to avoid this sort of predation. And look, the

435
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Speaker 3: plaintiffs also aren't just I don't want to say just.

436
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Speaker 3: They're not simply people who have been incarcerated. There are

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Speaker 3: labor unions like the Union of Southern Service Workers, the

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Speaker 3: Retail Wholesale and Department Store Union, the Mid South Council,

439
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Speaker 3: an Alabama nonprofit called the Woods Foundation. People on the outside, right,

440
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Speaker 3: people who have people who represent fast food workers. We're saying,

441
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: look at this, this is egregious. This is slavery with

442
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Speaker 3: a euphemism painted over it.

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Speaker 4: Well, we also certainly know that the state of Alabama

444
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Speaker 4: doesn't exactly have the squeakiest clean of track records when

445
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Speaker 4: it comes to dealing with people of color, you know,

446
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Speaker 4: and treating them in the most inhumane of ways. So

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00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: this to me feels extra egregious coming from a state

448
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Speaker 4: like Alabama that really does have something to prove in

449
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Speaker 4: terms of trying to make up for their past, you know,

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Speaker 4: transgressions like under folks like George Wallace.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, dirty, intergenerational friar Greece. Right. We also so we

452
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Speaker 3: said that there are hundreds of people or entities alleged

453
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Speaker 3: to have profited from this scheme since twenty eighteen. Some

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Speaker 3: of those here's the tricky part. The big companies, three

455
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Speaker 3: of whom I'm about to name on air, are going

456
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Speaker 3: to get away with it. Just so you know, they're

457
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Speaker 3: going to be fine. Those three fast food companies or four,

458
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Speaker 3: I should say, would be McDonald's, KFC, sorry Japan, I

459
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: know it's almost Christmas time, Wendy's and Burger King. However,

460
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Speaker 3: here's how they're going to get away. They're going to

461
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Speaker 3: get away because of the franchise model. So McDonald's corporate

462
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Speaker 3: can say, uh, you know, we're kind of like, do

463
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Speaker 3: what thou wilt. We have plausible deniability. We had no

464
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Speaker 3: idea this was going on, and I don't know how

465
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Speaker 3: the case is going to go yet. The defendants, there

466
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Speaker 3: are quite a few defendants obviously, but they're taking shots

467
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Speaker 3: at the king here in the lawsuit. We're talking about

468
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Speaker 3: the current governor of Alabama Kivy, the state Attorney General,

469
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Speaker 3: Steve Marshall. So they're fighting like the final boss of

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Speaker 3: Alabama legislature and the chair of the Board for Pardons

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Speaker 3: and Paroles. This is this is crazy because technically, if

472
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Speaker 3: they're correct, if their arguments correct, then technically and in spirit,

473
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Speaker 3: I would say this is a violation of some very

474
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Speaker 3: important US laws, one of the primary being the federal

475
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Speaker 3: law that protects victims of trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what it is, especially if the prison

477
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Speaker 2: system is really making forty percent off of any wage

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Speaker 2: that any of these workers is getting.

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Speaker 4: And that's the gross Yeah, and then they're claiming or

480
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Speaker 4: whatever saying they're using it to offset the cost of

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Speaker 4: their incarceration, which, as sure is expensive. But that's no

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Speaker 4: damn excuse, is it.

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, it's as in a way I would say,

485
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Speaker 3: it's a kissing cousin to the dangers of the company

486
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Speaker 3: town right, or the company's store, because in your way,

487
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Speaker 3: with your labors, right, and without a choice in your

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Speaker 3: pursuit of labor. Also, these private companies that are legally

489
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Speaker 3: required to pay people, you know, the bottom barrel minimum wage,

490
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Speaker 3: they are ostensibly paying that to the individual, but then

491
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Speaker 3: the individual is running into all these baked in cost,

492
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Speaker 3: all these hidden fees to simply that you incur simply

493
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Speaker 3: by existing day to day in the US prison system.

494
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Speaker 3: We're talking like fifteen dollars a month for laundry, five

495
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Speaker 3: dollars a day for transportation to work. And you know,

496
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Speaker 3: I know, gas prices go up and down, but five

497
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Speaker 3: dollars a day is a lot, especially if you're going

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Speaker 3: every day. So again, our journalists for places like the

499
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Speaker 3: Washington Post and New York Times break it down in

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Speaker 3: simple what politicians would call dinner table conversation terms. A

501
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Speaker 3: prisoner working for a private laundry service, you might get

502
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Speaker 3: seven bucks and a quarter an hour, but then you've

503
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Speaker 3: got forty percent of that going to the state prison system. Then,

504
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: of course, guess what, folks, it's America. So unless you're

505
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Speaker 3: a billionaire, you pay taxes. So then they have to

506
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Speaker 3: pay federal taxes, state taxes, and then they have to

507
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Speaker 3: pay that fifteen dollars a month laundry fee, they have

508
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Speaker 3: to pay that five dollars day transportation costs. All told,

509
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: the average person in this private laundry service makes two

510
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Speaker 3: dollars and six cents an hour, no tips, by the way.

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Speaker 4: And as taxpayers, we're subsidizing these kind of grease payments,

512
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Speaker 4: right or like these sort of you know, sweetheart deals

513
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Speaker 4: for these corporations because we're also paying for the cost

514
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Speaker 4: of the incarceration, and then this labor is giving a

515
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: sweet deal to these fat cats. And also, you know, subsidizing,

516
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: are subsidizing, right, So it's like we're kind of getting

517
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Speaker 4: screwed here too.

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Speaker 3: It costs less in real terms to the American public

519
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: to send someone in prison to college and to get

520
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Speaker 3: them a four year degree than it does to keep

521
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Speaker 3: them in prison for four years. That's it. And you know,

522
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Speaker 3: not to mention the knock on effect of giving someone

523
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Speaker 3: opportunity for higher education versus the knock on effect of

524
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Speaker 3: sending them to criminal university, which is what a lot

525
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Speaker 3: of federal and functions as at this point, I don't know.

526
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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's unclean, and I'm startled

527
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Speaker 3: that it's It's going to be one of those stories

528
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Speaker 3: that I genuinely believe is going to make the rounds

529
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Speaker 3: for a few weeks, right, and then when it goes

530
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Speaker 3: to court, it goes to appeal process. We're talking about

531
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Speaker 3: very disadvantaged people fighting very powerful people who are entrenched

532
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Speaker 3: in a system of corruption and criminality. We'll get an

533
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: update when it hits some sort of legal roadblock, and

534
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: then the world quite possibly may forget about it because

535
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: a lot of other terrible things are happening. But if

536
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: you are listening to this and you live in the

537
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Speaker 3: United States, you need to realize this is your fight

538
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there might be some cognitive dissonance in

540
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: people's minds simply because some of the human beings of

541
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Speaker 2: by these laws that are terrible were convicted of doing

542
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Speaker 2: terrible things and they actually did those terrible things. Then

543
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 2: some of the people that are being affected by this

544
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: got convicted of terrible things and they didn't do anything,

545
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Speaker 2: you know, or they at least didn't do that thing.

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Speaker 2: And you know, as in as an individual looking at this,

547
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Speaker 2: you know, from afar or from above. There's no way

548
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Speaker 2: to differentiate between you know, people that maybe deserve like

549
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Speaker 2: some serious like punishment to people who are just in

550
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Speaker 2: there receiving this punishment because they got caught up in

551
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Speaker 2: the system, which is a really awful. It's an awful

552
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Speaker 2: thing all around. I guess I can imagine it being

553
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Speaker 2: hard for people to get past the well, so one

554
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: of the you know, some of them deserve it. When

555
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: when you know, I've heard I've heard people in my

556
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: family say stuff like that, you know, So it's just

557
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's it's tough, man.

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Speaker 3: Hey, but guess what, there's more, wait, there's more. It

559
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: does get worse. Let's talk Yeah, let's talk a little

560
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: bit about unpaid labor forced upon people in the prison system.

561
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Speaker 3: Right where you are. You are now your serving time,

562
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: and now you are coerced into functioning as someone who

563
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: does labor in the prison system in terms of like housekeeping, unloading,

564
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: loading supplies, cooking things like that. What if you're not

565
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: paid for that, why would you say yes to it? Well,

566
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Speaker 3: according to folks like Lekira Walker, who was incarcerated for

567
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Speaker 3: fifteen years, in Alabama. If you don't say yes to

568
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 3: this stuff, then you are at risk of being sent

569
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Speaker 3: back to prison, and they'll say, well, you don't get

570
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: to choose your job work for these folks, or you're

571
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: back to lock up. Or if you are in prison

572
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: and refuse to participate in this modern day slavery scheme,

573
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Speaker 3: you could get a discipline infraction which adds on to

574
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Speaker 3: your prison sentence. And unfortunately, for anyone who has not

575
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: had the dubious privilege of visiting the US prison system,

576
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: disciplinary infractions are incredibly subjective and you have no real

577
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Speaker 3: means of appealing a disciplinary infraction. It can be a

578
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: case where it can be a case where a guard

579
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Speaker 3: has a bad day and you just caught them at

580
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Speaker 3: the wrong moment, or they didn't care for you for

581
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Speaker 3: some reason. You may not have violated a rule and

582
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Speaker 3: it could end up being months or years more off

583
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Speaker 3: of your life. So I think we're going to follow

584
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Speaker 3: this one for a while. We want to hear from you.

585
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: We want to hear your opinion of this sort of practice.

586
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: Do you think these allegations are hyperbolic or overblown? Do

587
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: you think there's more to the story in your neck

588
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Speaker 3: of the Global Woods. Is there something similar afoot? Is

589
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Speaker 3: there something they don't want you to know? Conspiracy Guyheart

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Speaker 4: And we've returned with today's last piece of strange news.

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Speaker 4: This one comes sort of by way of an update

595
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Speaker 4: to a very intense piece of legislation that I know

596
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Speaker 4: we have talked about in the past. This is called

597
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Speaker 4: the Section seven two of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act,

598
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Speaker 4: or FISA, which of course allows the US government to

599
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Speaker 4: essentially force domestic communications companies, organizations, corporations to aid them

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Speaker 4: in surveilling any non US individuals who are outside of

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Speaker 4: the country by giving access to their streams of communication,

602
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Speaker 4: which sounds, I guess a little bit basic and not

603
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Speaker 4: dull exactly, but when you start to really think about

604
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Speaker 4: what is meant by streams of communication, that's when things

605
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Speaker 4: get very interesting. This bill, which was set out by

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Speaker 4: the Intelligence Committee, or a pair of bills rather by

607
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Speaker 4: the Intelligence Committee and won by the Judiciary Committee, were

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Speaker 4: intended to change the language and reauthorize Section seven O

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Speaker 4: two of FAISA in order to completely overhaul the idea

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Speaker 4: of what these communication streams might be referring to and

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Speaker 4: what that language would have changed to were these to

612
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Speaker 4: have gone forward, was that it would have expanded the

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Speaker 4: definition of electronic communications service provider to include any types

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Speaker 4: of equipment that are used to transmit from the language

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Speaker 4: of the legislation to transmit or store such communication, which,

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Speaker 4: if interpreted broadly enough, which would be the idea here,

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Speaker 4: that could include something like a Wi Fi router at

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Speaker 4: an Internet cafe or or a public library, perhaps essentially

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Speaker 4: allowing this term to refer to any type of publicly

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Speaker 4: available Internet stream.

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Speaker 2: Can I just tell you how far down my thinking

622
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Speaker 2: in this already? Oh?

623
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Speaker 3: Please?

624
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Speaker 2: Just maybe in my negative assumptions about it.

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Speaker 4: Nothing much positive to take from it?

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Speaker 2: Please?

627
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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: Well, I just feel like that was already happening, and

629
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Speaker 2: maybe I'm i dot.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I have no doubt, But I mean, you know,

631
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Speaker 4: we know that sometimes while a lot of legalese tends

632
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Speaker 4: to be very bespoke and specific, you know, it also

633
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 4: tends to be almost is equally vague, sometimes by design.

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Speaker 4: But here's the good news. The update here is that

635
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: you know, to your guys' point, this list, these laws

636
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: already existed, and the expansion, while maybe not overt and

637
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Speaker 4: like set forth in these reforms that were official. Of course,

638
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: stuff like that was already happening. But I guess I

639
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 4: would argue that, you know, if this stuff were to

640
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Speaker 4: be broadened in such a way, then it would be

641
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 4: even easier for them to do and they could probably

642
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 4: secretly broaden them even further. Right, So the good news

643
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 4: is that this was shot down. The House of Representatives

644
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Speaker 4: will not, in fact vote on these two bills, these

645
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: proposed surveillance bills that would have essentially given unilateral, you know,

646
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Speaker 4: freedom to the government to surveil any kinds of these

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Speaker 4: public streams.

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Speaker 3: Still need that rubber stamp from PFISA. Right, they're famous

649
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Speaker 3: for being I can't even finish at PISA's kind of

650
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: bullshit right now, Oh for sure.

651
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this was thanks to the Rules Committee, keed.

652
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Speaker 4: You got your Rules Committee, you got your Intelligence Committee,

653
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: and you got your Judiciary Committee, Intelligence and Judiciary. We're

654
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 4: all about this, and that Rules decided to shoot it down.

655
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Speaker 4: So take from that what you will. There is a

656
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Speaker 4: term here, maybe you guys are familiar. They were said

657
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Speaker 4: to be voted on simultaneously yesterday as we record this

658
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Speaker 4: on December thirteenth, and what was referred to as a

659
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Speaker 4: Queen of the Hill vote? Do you know what a

660
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Speaker 4: Queen of the Hill vote is? The first time I've

661
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: heard this term before.

662
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Speaker 2: Isn't that where there are two basically competing bills that

663
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Speaker 2: get voted on and then instead of like voting one

664
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Speaker 2: yes or no, you've you know what I mean, like, yeah,

665
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Speaker 2: both of them don't get a yes or no. It's

666
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Speaker 2: basically a or B.

667
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Speaker 3: Yeah, most votes. When I see I say, got done

668
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: in a Queen of the Hill thing, I think it's

669
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Speaker 3: also it's also a snapshot into what I see is

670
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: a very serious problem in US discourse. Congress has a

671
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: lot of parliamentary rules, procedural rules, you know, just housekeeping things,

672
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 3: and the US public is by a large not aware

673
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: of a lot of these. So when you read some

674
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: kind of street name for a slick procedural move like

675
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: Quaene of the Hill, then the first thing you think is,

676
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 3: you know, if you're most Americans, you think, wait, didn't

677
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 3: we have a war about not having a queen? What's

678
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: really going on? And next thing you know, you're in

679
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: a TikTok rabbit hole where there's further misinformation propagating, and

680
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: if bills like this go through, then the surveillance state

681
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: only extends even further. I would I would posit this

682
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 3: is not about, in terms of practice and operation, expanding

683
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: government surveillance abilities. This is about laying the groundwork to

684
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: justify previous and current That's right.

685
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 4: And now let's hear a little bit from the Electronic

686
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 4: Frontier Foundation, which had this to say about Section seven

687
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 4: O two that it was by the way, this is

688
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: from some great reporting done and vice by Jules Roscoe,

689
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: and this is what they had to say. It was

690
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: designed to allow government to warrantlessly surveil non US citizens

691
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 4: abroad for foreign intelligence purposes. Increasingly, it's this US side

692
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 4: of digital conversation that domestic law enforcement agencies trawl through,

693
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: all without a warrant. FBI agents have been using the

694
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 4: Section seven to two databases to conduct millions of invasive

695
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: searches for Americans, and that includes things relating to protesters,

696
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: racial justice activists. Remember what happened with the Rico cases

697
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 4: against some of the forest defenders here in Atlanta. You know,

698
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: it's similar to that, and probably we were using this

699
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 4: type of expanded you know, language to surveil those folks

700
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 4: and then build these reco charges against them, journalists, donors

701
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: to congressional campaigns, and even members of Congress themselves.

702
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Speaker 2: Okay, and yeah, yeah, podcasters don't for you podcasters, Sure

703
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: you guys noticed the weird sounds on your phones when

704
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: you make calls? Well, do you guys ever notice that?

705
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: Well?

706
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: Uh, cool, it's fine, it's fine.

707
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: Okay, let's just stay in Plato's cavern of surveillance for

708
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: a moment here. But let's also point out, you know, folks,

709
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: not to always be plugging our book, but we do

710
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: have a pretty solid chapter on the expansion of surveillance.

711
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: And there's something else here happening, which is seven O

712
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 3: two is sort of attempting to podify or to justify

713
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: or rationalize things that are always already happening via the

714
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: five eyes loophole. Right, Like, you can't spy on your

715
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: own citizens, but New Zealand and the UK sure can.

716
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: And if they happen to slide just some information at

717
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: the next embassy hangout, or even if it's just a

718
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: couple guys at a bar, well then it's all in

719
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: the service of a greater good. So I think they're

720
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: just trying to This feels like trying to put some

721
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 3: trying to put some touch up paint over something they've

722
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 3: already marred.

723
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Speaker 4: You're a hundred recent, right, Ben. And just to follow up,

724
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: statement from some folks opposing this from the Brennan Center

725
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 4: for Justice and the Electronic Privacy Information Center or EPIC,

726
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 4: which is an EPIC acronym, referred to the bill as

727
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: a wolf in sheep's clothing that would target businesses far

728
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: outside the tech sector that do not even have access

729
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 4: to communications, and they listed some potential misuses of this

730
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 4: in monitoring places like hotels, libraries, coffee shops, other businesses

731
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 4: that provide Wi Fi could be compelled to serve as

732
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 4: surrogate spies, structuring their systems so that they can give

733
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: the government access to entire communication streams.

734
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Speaker 2: Dude, it's it's exactly what inward facing in outward facing

735
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: intelligence agencies want. Just let us have the keys to

736
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: all the stuff given it. If we need to look,

737
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: will look because we're trying to protect What do you do?

738
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: You do you not support the troops?

739
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 4: You know, like safety?

740
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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

741
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: Come on, god, oh my god, we're just watching.

742
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 3: The protect and hey, by the way, bro, we saw

743
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: that you read War's racket well carefully right, shout out

744
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 3: Smethley Butler. I mean that there's I don't know there.

745
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought this story up. No, because there

746
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: are all sorts of conflicts of interest here, But to

747
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 3: your earlier point, this is right.

748
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: Now.

749
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: Overall, this is good news because they did say no, right, yeah.

750
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Speaker 4: No again, And I thought it was I didn't remember

751
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: if we had specifically talked about this being up potentially,

752
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 4: and it seemed initially like it was gonna just kind

753
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 4: of be just sail right through. But thankfully it didn't,

754
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 4: so I did want to go into some of the background.

755
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: Hopefully it wasn't too redundant. But the good news here

756
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: is that this attempt, at the very least, you know,

757
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: was not successful. But that's not to say that it

758
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: won't be attempted again and again, you know, with just

759
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 4: slightly tweaked language to make whoever may have objected to

760
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 4: it in this case happier, or you know, maybe they

761
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 4: just needed a little something something to agree, because I

762
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: have no doubt in my mind that so many of

763
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: these types of decisions are not about what's right, they're

764
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 4: about what are you going to do for me? And

765
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: how can you help me in my efforts legislatively speaking

766
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: moving forward?

767
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Speaker 2: Because it's directly tied to the National Defense Authorization Act

768
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: that happens every year, right, Like they have to do

769
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: that every year.

770
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: She should be cool. You're absolutely Matt, You're absolutely right,

771
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: you know. And sometimes it's like a matter of pr messaging,

772
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 3: like what is the what is the most non objectionable

773
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: name we can find for? Like this the Patriot Act?

774
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: Oh what you vote against? Patriots? Dog? Like it sounds weird,

775
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: but that that's how it works, you know. Like maybe

776
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: seven o two returns uh sooner than we think. And

777
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: now it's just called the the the Puppy Act or something, Right.

778
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: Do Sweet Widow Puppies, Sweet.

779
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 3: Widows Puppies Act?

780
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 4: You have to do dona against cuteness. You don't like snuggles, this,

781
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: you don't like kisses? You don't like kisses.

782
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: Now, I'm sure we can all agree that there are

783
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: some real cute little vomments out there in American soil,

784
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 3: and it's our job to do our best to protect them,

785
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: God and our country. However, my opponent seems to have

786
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: a problem with children.

787
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 4: As I yield the floor to you, this hot wet

788
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 4: down there, sir.

789
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: Do you deny that your childhood puppy has indeed expired

790
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: under your ka.

791
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like that's how she was hidden between

792
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: the couch cushions.

793
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: It was an accident.

794
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: It was a horrible accidents.

795
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: But that's how it's that's how it's framed, you know,

796
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 3: and that's why this work. Like you know, you said

797
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: at the top, you're worried maybe this would be dry

798
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: or in the weeds, but I think it is absolutely not.

799
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: I think this is mission critical stuff to understand, you know,

800
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: And it's not going to get a ton of news

801
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: coverage because there's not a celebrity face attached to it,

802
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 3: right sadly.

803
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 4: Uh.

804
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: But the people that are going to encounter consequences for this,

805
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: some may be celebrities, a lot are going to be

806
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: journalists that we rely on to learn more about the world.

807
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: A lot are going to be protesters, like you said

808
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 3: with stop Coop City, with forest defenders, those folks got rico,

809
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: laude and unfairly and law and as this stuff. As

810
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: these sorts of things, these mac nations occur in the background,

811
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: then We're going to see more and more clamping down,

812
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: more and more attempts. I think it. I mean, maybe

813
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: it verges upon conspiratorial to say we have to be vigilant,

814
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: because I know that's a dog whistle for some people.

815
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: But you do have to keep an eye on this,

816
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: and I don't know. Sometimes it's tough. It's tough to

817
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: not be nihilistic. Right to the point about TikTok candy experiments, right, like,

818
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: what can one do? The truth of the matter is,

819
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 3: I would say what one can do is collaborate with many,

820
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 3: right and through the many we move. There are more

821
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: good people than there are bad people out there.

822
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: Yes, good people who move to farmland in the mountains

823
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: somewhere in North Georgia.

824
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: Faiza loves our group chats.

825
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: By the way, guys, really, you guys think we get

826
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: looked at a little bit. I think we have to

827
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: be probably. I think it's like it's literally just a

828
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: checking a box kind of well, and just make sure

829
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: they're not doing anything other than talking about this story.

830
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: We get algorithmically checked, so the checking on us is automated.

831
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Speaker 3: Intern Steve, I am happy to report, is now a

832
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: tourist traveling certain segments of the world. Best of luck, Steve,

833
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: how do you know that he just sends us? He

834
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 3: sends us communicats every so often. But yeah, to answer

835
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: your question, I think for a lot of us, right,

836
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: the idea like paranoia can be so tempting, right.

837
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: Well, it's not not paranoia in my mind. It's like,

838
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: I guess, just if they have this stuff in place

839
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: around the capability right well, I mean I don't know.

840
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: I'm telling you though, it's these systems are also pretty lazy.

841
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 4: Oh exactly, that's a great point.

842
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: The first past, dude, It's just it's algorithmically hoovering up

843
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: stuff right in an automated How how close are you

844
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: to knowing Kevin Bacon or and ser Kevin Bacon here?

845
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 3: And then like maybe there are key words for things

846
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 3: that you talk about. I don't know. I genuinely guys,

847
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: I doubt that there is someone at the Puzzle Palace

848
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: who is like I got to tune in to stuff

849
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Did they figure out

850
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: Glenn Miller, because that's still important to me.

851
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I hear you. We don't have to talk

852
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: about this now together. It's just I think about some

853
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: of the travel that we've been doing recently, and because

854
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: generally outside of the US is what these you know,

855
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: these courts are for, right, and these authorizations and all

856
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: of this stuff. It just makes me nervous even traveling

857
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: in country just to different states and stuff. It just

858
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: feels I don't know, it feels like what the thing

859
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: was made for.

860
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred percent, and yeah, I know. Thanks for

861
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 4: all the additional perspective on this, guys, And again, hey,

862
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: let's look at this one as a win, shall we.

863
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 4: Maybe we end this episode with feeling a little less

864
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: hopeless when it comes to this kind of stuff. But unfortunately,

865
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 4: there always will be the next swing. But for now

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