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Speaker 2: What is going on, my people? How are we doing?

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Speaker 3: John Middlecoff three Now Podcast, back at it again, talking

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Speaker 3: a little football. We did the players Championship reaction yesterday

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Speaker 3: to Cam Young, who I gave out last week to

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Speaker 3: gamble on No big deal.

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Speaker 2: Nailed that one. But today we're gonna talk some football.

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Speaker 2: The Kancy Chiefs traded for Justin Fields. We'll dive into that.

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Speaker 3: The Titans and Jeremiah loves now the betting favorite to

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Speaker 3: be the Titans pick at number four. JJ McCarthy conversation

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Speaker 3: just won't die Some moves. A J. Brown still on

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Speaker 3: the Eagles looked like it might stay that way for

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Speaker 3: a while. Christian Kirk signs with the Niners. Rick Patino's

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Speaker 3: just kicking everyone's ass at seventy three years old. We'll

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Speaker 3: it there. And uh yeah, let's just talk some football.

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs have traded I think a six rounder in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven for Justin Fields, and uh, I think

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Speaker 3: this is correlated with even the TUA the Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: One thing that happens in free agency right a week

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Speaker 3: ago today, I'm recording this on Monday, Monday afternoon. Is

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Speaker 3: all the guys that signed the big contracts your pay

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Speaker 3: and premiums for right, Jalen Phillips to Carolina Linderbaum, to

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Speaker 3: the Raiders whoever these guys are getting paid at tax.

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Speaker 3: You know that the team is paying attacks to acquire

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Speaker 3: those guys because you have multiple people bidding for their services.

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Speaker 2: And I think teams.

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Speaker 3: You know Belichick made a living off this is he

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Speaker 3: always waited for the second and third waves because he

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Speaker 3: thought you could find deals. And there's an old adage

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Speaker 3: that fortunes are made in downturns and collected when times

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Speaker 3: are good. Right, I've always lived by you make when

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Speaker 3: you sell something, the profit you make was not on

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Speaker 3: the price you sold it for, but what you bought

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Speaker 3: it for. If you sell a stock for one hundred dollars,

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Speaker 3: big difference if you bought the thing for ninety or

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Speaker 3: if you bought it for seven. Right, So your purchase

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Speaker 3: price on an asset, on a home, on a player.

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Speaker 3: Howie Roseman felt a lot better about Zach Bond when

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Speaker 3: he paid four million dollars for him. Then the guy

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Speaker 3: became an all pro or when he paid for Saquon

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Speaker 3: Barkley and gave him way less than half as much

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Speaker 3: as Brandon Ayuk and the guy ran for two thousand yards.

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Speaker 3: So part of acquiring quarterbacks, and this goes back to

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Speaker 3: Bill Walsh Ron Wolf Hall of Fame level guys that

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Speaker 3: believe that every year you should be in the business

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Speaker 3: of acquiring these guys. Look at the Packers with Malik Willis.

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Speaker 3: They got him for nothing.

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Speaker 2: A couple years ago.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was crazy, But that organizational philosophy looks

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Speaker 3: at distressed asset with the quarterback position and guys with

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Speaker 3: traits who are high character and go, there's something there

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Speaker 3: to work with. And they got it right. And because

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Speaker 3: of acquiring Milik Willis, they won countless games over the

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Speaker 3: last two years, and obviously he parlayed it into a payday.

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Speaker 3: And there are current rumors that the Who's interested in

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Speaker 3: Anthony Richson the Green Bay Packers? Well, where did Andy

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Speaker 3: Reid get his NFL start? The Green Bay Packers? Who

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Speaker 3: was running the Packers? Then Mike Hombren who would learned

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Speaker 3: from Bill Walsh and Ron Wolf who would learn from

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Speaker 3: l DA quarterbacks, quarterbacks and more quarterbacks. I also think

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Speaker 3: a good player, and he's not a guy that has

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Speaker 3: the traits. He's kind of the opposite of the Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: he got injured. But just turns out he's not that good.

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Speaker 3: And I think they look at Justin Fields and go,

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Speaker 3: like Justin Fields is that good. I think they'd be

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Speaker 3: But is there something there to work with? Yes, there is,

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Speaker 3: Now we'll see by then. According to reports and talking

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Speaker 3: to people, he was well ahead of schedule. But there's

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Speaker 3: opportunity to play in Week one because Patrick Mahomes isn't ready.

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Speaker 3: But the Andy Reid I know is a guy that

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Speaker 3: and not saying that he hasn't, I mean thought we

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Speaker 3: his core, Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Patrick Mahomes, Brett Farr.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of what he's looking for, some big time talent. Now,

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Speaker 3: Justin Fields has mainly not been good. He's been a

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Speaker 3: running back playing quarterback, and last year was an abomination.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's easy to chock it up to yeah,

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Speaker 3: thought that they should have kept going with Justin Fields

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Speaker 3: instead of going to Russell Wilson. And a lot of

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Speaker 3: reports went that came out since or after that year ended.

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Speaker 3: Was like Mike Tomlin pushed for Russell Wilson, Arthur Smith

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Speaker 3: was cool with going with Justin's Fields. And the thing

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Speaker 3: with Andy Reid is why can't he scheme around his

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Speaker 3: deficiencies and some of his deficiencies maybe he could just

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Speaker 3: incrementally improve them over the course of six months. And

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Speaker 3: if you're Justin Fields, you should thank you're lucky stars

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Speaker 3: that a guy like this is the one believing in

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Speaker 3: you and taking a chance on you, because you've been

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Speaker 3: around a lot of Aaron Glenn's and Matt Eberflus's and

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Speaker 3: now you get to go from It's like Andy Dufrayn

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a throwback.

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Speaker 3: You pull the guide and you start going through channels

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, it's like seven forty five

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Speaker 3: So I watched the last like forty five minutes of it,

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of quarterbacks asked Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 3: saying he's going to even come close to the success

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Speaker 3: at this thing as value. We can get this guy

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Speaker 3: something there. And that's a huge part of the offseason,

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Speaker 3: Like not everyone has the ability to give because of

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Speaker 3: financial constraints, one hundred and twenty million dollars to Jalen Phillips,

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Speaker 3: which I think is one of the crazier contracts again

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Speaker 3: league history, based on his previous production now maybe he

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Speaker 3: becomes a much more impactful player. But I thought that

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Speaker 3: here's my thing with Kyler Murray, and count me as

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Speaker 3: someone that's not buying it. Working Now, I don't think

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Speaker 3: be shocked if, like Sam Darnold, they're just winning twelve

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Speaker 3: to fourteen games. My guess is eight to nine. But

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Speaker 3: Arizona didn't dictate his future because he could sign for

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Speaker 3: the league minimum and still make thirty five million dollars

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Speaker 3: if he was just making zero in his market whatever

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Speaker 3: was whatever a team was willing to pay, Like, would

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Speaker 3: they have given him ten or fifteen million dollars? I

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Speaker 3: don't know, but call me dubious that they just would have.

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Speaker 2: Thrown a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: Part of the reason that they were really interested he

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Speaker 3: cost them nothing. Same thing with Tua, Like, would the

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Speaker 3: Falcons have signed him if he cost fifteen million dollars?

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Speaker 3: Of course not. They got the guy for free. So

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Speaker 3: part of the conversation with these quarterbacks is it costs

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Speaker 3: nothing to acquire you, right, One of the story I

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was kind of like they're one at

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Speaker 3: Like I've been around Brandon Ayuka. I saw that guy

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Speaker 3: get thirty million dollars and just quit on the team.

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Speaker 3: So he's probably got a jaded view of what he's

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Speaker 3: And the answer is the market is telling him he can't.

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Speaker 3: If Juwan Jennings cost you two or three million dollars,

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Speaker 3: So part of your market value is what are you

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Speaker 2: For a couple of days.

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Speaker 3: Well, he thought he was worth it already thirty five

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Speaker 3: they got cold feet because they saw they had a

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Speaker 3: We can get Trey for what we view as relatively

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Speaker 3: cheap of what we thought he was gonna cost and

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Speaker 3: get our picks back. So we'd rather have Hendrickson for

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby and tell everyone that we think his knee's

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Speaker 2: Who knows? Probably not. So I think a.

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Speaker 3: Huge part of acquiring quarterbacks, especially backup quarterbacks or guys

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Speaker 3: you have to pay to get him. And we've seen guys,

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Speaker 3: you know, Sam Darnold a couple of years ago with

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Speaker 3: Minnesota got ten million dollars. Daniel Jones last year with

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Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Colts I think got fourteen million dollars. The

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Speaker 3: Falcons were not gonna give ten million dollars.

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Speaker 2: To it if that's what it would have cost.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure Minnesota was gonna give ten to fifteen

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray if that would was what it would have cost.

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs got this guy for free, the bonus money

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Speaker 3: timeline with a young quarterback is the second year Thanksgiving.

436
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: And I think part of listen society, we've never gone faster,

437
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: we've never had shorter attention spans because of social media

438
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: and all the noise that there's never been more pressure

439
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 3: on you know, specific industries on whether it's you know,

440
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 3: the S and P five hundred in the stock market, whether.

441
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: It's professional sports. There's a lot more noise, right crypto,

442
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: you name it.

443
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: And I think JJ McCarthy like I'm not just gonna

444
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: act like he's gonna be out of the league in

445
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 3: a year, But I think he fits into this mold

446
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: of in modern day football that we're in the twenty twenties.

447
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: If you don't show it immediately and you're a high pitch,

448
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 3: you're in major trouble. They're not gonna wait around for you.

449
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: Now, they could be.

450
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: Proven wrong years down the line when that guy becomes

451
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 3: a good player for someone else. But there becomes a

452
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: negative like tsunami of the narrative, which is true that

453
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: this guy can't play and he's holding you back. And

454
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: if the coaches can see it, if the owner can

455
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: see it, and the fans can see it, you're least

456
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: just it's hard for you to make it to year three.

457
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: And now we have some recent examples of good talented teams.

458
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: I mean, Trey Lance got traded before week one year three,

459
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson was benched before week one year three. JJ

460
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: McCarthy is not gonna be the starting quarterback week one

461
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: year three. Michael Pennix, now he's injured, but like would

462
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: Michael Penix just one beat out Tua in a training

463
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 3: camp in Atlanta, they're both healthy I don't think that

464
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: would be guaranteed by any means, right, I mean, listen,

465
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 3: we can be negative on to all we want. Like,

466
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 3: he's shown a lot more in the National Football League

467
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: than Michael Pennix. So my point is the turnover with coaches.

468
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: Look at that now, Tomlin technically said them out, But

469
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: there were ten openings. Ten open There're thirty two teams

470
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: in the league. I mean you're talking almost third of

471
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 3: the league fired their coaches and paid a lot of

472
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: these guys to go home, get out of here, pay

473
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: their staffs. See you, we don't want to talk to

474
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: you anymore. We will pay you all millions of dollars

475
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: to not come into the office. I've said forever, that's

476
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: the American dream. If someone ever wants to pay me ten,

477
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: twenty thirty to fifty million dollars to do nothing, I

478
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: would eventually get bored. Feel I'm pretty ambitious individual, but

479
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: I would soak it up for a minute. Yeah, I

480
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: would enjoy myself, I really would. So the league's showing

481
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: you the amount of money that has come in, the

482
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 3: social media influence, the timing that these coaches are on, Like,

483
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: you're not getting the amount of coaches that will ever sniff,

484
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 3: like ten years in a place like it used to

485
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: happen a lot more.

486
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: In the eighties and the nineties is over.

487
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: Even some of these guys now they get fired after

488
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: year three or year four they probably used to would

489
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: have got six. Is done because it's really easy for

490
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: me to pay you to go away. Look how many

491
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: guys get extensions and still get fired. Mike McDaniel just

492
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: happened to. And I'm not saying that any of these

493
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: owners are wrong for their decision, but a big reason

494
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: that none of these guys hesitate to do this anymore

495
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: is because paying someone ten to twenty million dollars with

496
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: the finances of the NFL is a rounding year. It's

497
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 3: it's changed. You would find in not my couch, but

498
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: in their couch. So that has directly influenced the quarterback.

499
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: And unlike some of these guys, like if you draft

500
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: a guy eight at defensive line and by year three

501
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 3: it's clear like this is not an impact player. You

502
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: can still rotate him in and out. You can still

503
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: take a wide receiver in the top fifteen and have

504
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: him not become a.

505
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: Star, but still utilize him. Right, he can still play.

506
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: He can still return, he can still play.

507
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: On special teams.

508
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 3: It's not ideal, like you would obviously rather have the

509
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: pick back and have picked someone else, but all these

510
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: other positions you can play at quarterback, like you're either

511
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 3: in the game or you're not, and you get exposed

512
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: when you're in the game if you're not ready, like

513
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy.

514
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: Now, like I said, I do not think.

515
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: His career is just over, but his career in Minnesota

516
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 3: isn't just in major jeopardy. When Kyler Murray is eventually

517
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: named the starter, that's the beginning of the end. This

518
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: is not nineteen eighty seven where Bill Walsh went back

519
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: and forth with Steve Young and Joe Montana. Anyone that

520
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: watched the documentary on AMC one year, he was just

521
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: pissed off. He's like, yeah, we got a quarterback controversy.

522
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: The media didn't say that. Bill Walsh said that, yeah,

523
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: we got a quarterback controversy. He was just like he

524
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: was just trying to start some fires. Those days are done.

525
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 3: These coaches now do the polar opposite of like really

526
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: really tread lightly around that topic. But we all know,

527
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: and I said it two years ago when Sam Donald

528
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: was signed to the forty nine ers.

529
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: Trey Lance is done.

530
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 3: He's never beating out Sam Donald and he was on

531
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: the Cowboys before the start of the year. Last year,

532
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones signed for fourteen million dollars. Anthony Richards done

533
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: as a starter there, he was done. Kyler Murray a

534
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: little different because he didn't cost him any money. But

535
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: I think at the end of next last year they

536
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: were done with Jaj McCarthy because he's just not good enough,

537
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: too big of a project, and they simply don't have

538
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: the time because that's not the way it works. The

539
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: AJ Brown situation pretty interesting that Florio reported the Rams

540
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: were interested and they had explored trading DeVante Adams, which

541
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: Davante's gonna make twenty four million dollars this year, which

542
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: obviously is a lot of money, not like premium premium,

543
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: but it's still not nothing. Battle some hamstring issues. Last

544
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: year only had sixty catches, but he did have fourteen touchdowns.

545
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: So if your catch number is not going to be

546
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: as high as it once was, but you're bringing me

547
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: fourteen touchdowns, like, I can kind of live with it.

548
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: Now.

549
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: Would I rather have DeVante Adams than AJ Brown? I

550
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: do think in a short lived like Matt Stafford all

551
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: in on next year, like his report with Davante's pretty special,

552
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: So why would you throw that off? Especially AJ makes

553
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: more than him. I do think DeVante would have had

554
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: a market, but by all accounts, the Rams are out

555
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: and it's basically only the Patriots, And because of like

556
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: some of the financial situation with his contract that AJ

557
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: potentially might not get traded till the summer or training

558
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: camp because of the implications that it has on the

559
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: Eagles books. Like I said, in a perfect world, I

560
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: think they would gladly keep Aj Brown, but this is

561
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: a situation where financially there are some ramifications of keeping

562
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: them kind of move on now, and like, let's face it,

563
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: you can't trade the quarterback, so you're gonna trade the

564
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 3: wide receiver. But I also think if you don't have

565
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: a big market for him, how he does not just

566
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: want to give this guy away. But there aren't a

567
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: bunch of teams bidding, so I think it puts them

568
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: in kind of a precarious situation. And typically I don't

569
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: want to say how he always has the leverage in

570
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: trades because that's not true, But this one, it has

571
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: to really bother him because he clearly is on the

572
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: disadvantage side when it comes to having a really good

573
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: player that a lot of teams are just kind of,

574
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, not being super aggressive on even the Patriots, like, Eh,

575
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: we want them, but we're not gonna We're not giving

576
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: your first round pick.

577
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: And I think it's a.

578
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: Tough spot for how he and the Eagles, who were,

579
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: let's face it, used to winning a lot of these transactions.

580
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: The Eagles did bring back Dallas Goddard, I think like

581
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: one year seven million. I didn't see all the guaranteed deals,

582
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: but again, they're trying to mix and match all this

583
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: money stuff, and whenever you have a high priced team,

584
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: it becomes a little complicated. And that's why back to

585
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: the Jalen Carter situation, it's like, are they comfortable with

586
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: giving him like a record setting deal like Micah Parson's

587
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: got four.

588
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: Year, one hundred and eighty eight million dollars.

589
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: Like Jalen Carter's gonna want like four years, two hundred

590
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: million dollars, right, four years, one hundred and eighty million dollar,

591
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: Like the number is gonna be huge with a top

592
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: maybe not two hundred million dollars that'd be fifty million

593
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: dollars a year, but let's say four years, one hundred

594
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: and seventy five million dollars and one hundred and fifty

595
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: million or one hundred and forty.

596
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: Million dollars guaranteed.

597
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: Like, you have to be extremely comfortable when you when

598
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: you invest in a player with everything you're getting, and

599
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: it starts with the person. And that's where I think that, Like,

600
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: it's much easier for them at a much lower number

601
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: to give Jordan Davis sixty million dollars guaranteed, and like

602
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, like they got Mike Evans, who

603
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 3: is a Hall of Fame level player, they gave him

604
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: sixteen million dollars guaranteed, Like that was a pretty easy

605
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: decision and he wanted to be there. Christian Kirk again

606
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: hasn't been that good lately the last two years.

607
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: He has fifty five catches.

608
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: Peaked in twenty two, I think he had eighty four catches,

609
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: eleven hundred yards and eight touchdowns when he was young.

610
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: He's a pretty interesting talented player, especially like a role

611
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: player at wide receiver. Now he's been banged up, not

612
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: as productive. But this is back to what I said

613
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: about the wider or the quarterbacks, like they're going, we're

614
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: paying nothing for this guy, Like could we catch lightning

615
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: in a bottle and then give us forty five to

616
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: fifty catches for four or five million dollars? Like that's

617
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: that's the math on this. Now, most of the time

618
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: that's not what comes to fruition, but when it does,

619
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: you become very profitable because you pay nothing and you

620
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: get production back in return. I mean, the Patriots made

621
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: a living off doing this for twenty years. They brought

622
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: back Drake Greenlaw, who again comes very cheap because he

623
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: gets cut. He's another guy that after the Achilles injury,

624
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: hasn't quite been the same physically. Is there something you

625
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: get him back with Fred, you get him back in

626
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: the building. Is there something that can kind of reinvigorate

627
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: his career. But the question with him is his health.

628
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: And he's a guy who really excels on explosion, you know, speed,

629
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: just a violent athlete, and when you're dealing with quads

630
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 3: and lower body injuries, you're just not the same type player.

631
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: And that's why I think Denver, obviously there were him

632
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: and who funk I think had a hard time learning

633
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: the defense in the sense it was way more complicated

634
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: than what they were used to though Whu funga translated

635
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: much better.

636
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: And he's I mean, he's been a.

637
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: Really good player for him Greenlaw when it came to

638
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: learning the defense, and obviously injuries, they just punted they had.

639
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: I would say buyers remorse pretty immediately. There is some

640
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: stories about people interested in trading for Brandon Nyuk.

641
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: I don't see how.

642
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: Another GM could trade for Brandon Nyuk. I mean everything

643
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: that has gone on off the field. I'm not even

644
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: talking about refusing to rehab or showing up to the

645
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: forty nine ers like that.

646
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: That happens. Players get signed or traded for all the

647
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: time in situations like that.

648
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 3: To me, there's been so much stuff on social media

649
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: of him just not feeling like he's got a shit

650
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: together as a human being. I could not give up

651
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: a pick even if he came like you can cut him,

652
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: then we bring him in and talk to him. But

653
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: trading a pick for him to me feels like bad business.

654
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: A couple other things before we get to the mailbag.

655
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: I'm always fascinated, like listen, think about football. Pete Carroll

656
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: feels like a shot coach watching him last years, like Pete,

657
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: what is going on? Like he went from a pitcher

658
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: throwing like ninety eight miles an hour to last year,

659
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: it felt like he's throwing seventy eight.

660
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: He's got a.

661
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: Son screwing up the offensive line. It was a complete embarrassment. Now,

662
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: as time goes on, no one will remember his tenure

663
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: with the Raiders, but it's not gonna be one of

664
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: his crowning achievements. It's gonna be something he would like

665
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: to erase from the record books. Look at Belichick, I

666
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: mean Belichick's time posts the Patriots and even those last

667
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: couple of years of the Patriots is like this guy

668
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: still have it? This guy? Are we sure that Bill

669
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: and Pete shouldn't have just enjoyed their immense amount of

670
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: wealth and go enjoy themselves somewhere, put their feet up,

671
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: live by the beach, enjoy life. I'm always been uncomfortable

672
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: with the retirement. I hate that urn. It kind of

673
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: gives me the heb gbis. I can't imagine just have

674
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: nothing to.

675
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: Do, no purpose.

676
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: So I understand where they're coming from, but in their field,

677
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: as competitive as it is, and the majority now of

678
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: the talented coaches, let's face it or in their late

679
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: thirties and their forties or early fifties and just kicking

680
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: your teeth in.

681
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: Like why do you still want to do this?

682
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: You are clearly you guys have made a living on

683
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: telling players you don't have it anymore. Yet they can't

684
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 3: look in the mirror and see it themselves.

685
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 2: They don't have it anymore yet.

686
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm watching Rick Patina, who's seventy three years old, who

687
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: looks like he's in the prime of his career. I

688
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: had to google it today since than and two up

689
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: until Rick got there. So for almost twenty five years,

690
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: they made the NCAA tournament three times. They've won the

691
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: Big East back to back years. He just took Dan Hurley,

692
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: a guy that won back to back Natties, and kicked

693
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: his teeth in the other day at Saint John's. It's

694
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: not like, you know, he took over Louisville, he took

695
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: over Kentucky, he took.

696
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: Over Duke, he took over North Carolina.

697
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: Like this has not been some powerhouse since I was

698
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: a little little kid and whatever. Rick Patino still has,

699
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 3: like he still got it.

700
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: And some of these.

701
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: Guys, and especially in a day and age of nil

702
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: you talk about adapting like that is really really impressive.

703
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: And I'm not in deep.

704
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: Enough with college basketball, like I don't quite understand. They

705
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: just beat the shit out of Yukon. Clearly they're non conference,

706
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: but not not be as good. They've had some bad losses,

707
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: but you go eighteen to two in the conference, which

708
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 3: I guess was down this year as Hurley was saying,

709
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: We're not gonna get as many teams in the field.

710
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: But to dominate like that at that age against some

711
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: of these guys, I mean, look at some of the

712
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 3: best coaches right now, Dan Hurley, like in the prime

713
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: of his career, John Shire, this young guy just kicking

714
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: ass and taking names like a lot of that old

715
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: guard Coach K's retired, Jim Behim forced out, retired, like

716
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: they're kind of Izzo's still going pretty strong, but a

717
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 3: how many years as he have left. Like the guys

718
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: of the you know, the the eighties, the nineties, the

719
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 3: Bobby Knight crew. I mean, these were guys that Rip

720
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: Beatito came in with or was competing against in the

721
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: prime of his career and to be seventy three years

722
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: old and have a team that just was down and

723
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: out and to kick ass and take names. It's it's

724
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: a remarkable accomplishment. The other thing watching the WBC, which

725
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: I think has been awesome. Otani hit a lead off

726
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: home run that they lost. But we were playing the

727
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: dr Dominican Republic on Sunday night and their manager, Albert.

728
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: Pooles made three hundred and fifty million dollars. You went

729
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: their lineup, it's like five hundred million dollar player. Three

730
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar player.

731
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: Julio Roderriguez signed a two hundred million dollar contract when

732
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: he was twenty one years old. I've been a lot

733
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: of people around him, like, bro, you could make a

734
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: seven hundred million dollars the amount of talent on that

735
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 3: team and they lost. Now, granted out, their pitching is

736
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 3: not quite as good as ours ours.

737
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: Our bullpen was shoving, but it was awesome to watch.

738
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: It's it's not real baseball because the elite starting pitchers,

739
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: if they're humming, are only gonna pitch sixty seventy pitches.

740
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: I mean schemes. The phenom from.

741
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: The Pirates lsu Kid actually originally right Air Force, Uh,

742
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: really fascinating story. I think went seventy pitches. So these

743
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: guys are not gonna this ain't gonna be Bruce Bochi,

744
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: Tim Linskam.

745
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: Pitching one hundred and fifty.

746
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: You know pitches, you ain't going eight or nine innings.

747
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's kind of true baseball, but kind

748
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: of not really. It is just really good TV. And

749
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 3: watching US beat the Dominican who they just got better

750
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: players than us, it feels like they have the best players,

751
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: and with Otani and Yamamoto, like they're not us. Now

752
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: we got Judge Harper, I know, I mean his own

753
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: GM said he's not a lead anymore. So I I've

754
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: included I hope we win it.

755
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: But that game was legit.

756
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: I mean that that that was on the edge of

757
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: your seat.

758
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Sunday night WBC was fantastic television.

759
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,879
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Speaker 3: let's just bang out a couple of mailbag questions. I

778
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: got a lot of them, so a couple. I was

779
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: gonna make them topics, but I saw they were mailback questions,

780
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: so I'm like, you know what, let's just do them

781
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: as a mailbag.

782
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: We'll go with uh with jaz JS.

783
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 3: The state of Washington just enacted an almost ten percent

784
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: income tax on residents making over a million.

785
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: Dollars a year.

786
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: John Snyder has already said it will impact recruiting free agents.

787
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: NFL only counted after tax income toward the salary cap NFL.

788
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: Could you imagine a time where the NFL only counted

789
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: after tax income toward the salary cap, essentially taking away

790
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: the advantage of having your team in a state without

791
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: income tax.

792
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: Well a couple of things.

793
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: I saw Florio reporting on this, and I would agree

794
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: we actually every owner would want this. So some of

795
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: these owners in these states that Washington, historically they don't

796
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: have state income tax, so they're clearly losing their ass obviously.

797
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: I mean, some of these texts are such a fucking

798
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: scam that it sounds like, I mean, I read the

799
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: article that it's going to the governmnor's desk all size

800
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 3: or he's gonna approve it. Howard Schultz already bounced to Florida.

801
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm out of here. Agents were alad hitting

802
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: up John Schneider, like what is going on now? Granted,

803
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: like some of the no state income tax teams, it's

804
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: not like they've had some huge advantage. I mean, the

805
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: Cowboys haven't won anything, Texas haven't won anything, Titans haven't

806
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: won anything. The Dolphins stink, and the Jacks stunk forever.

807
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: I mean, the Rams won a Super Bowl. The forty

808
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: nine ers have been to Super Bowl, right, I mean

809
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: the Bears were in the second round of the playoffs

810
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: this year. The Patriots were good for decades under Belichick,

811
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: and he calls it taxachusage. So I think some of

812
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: these players just see the gross number. They don't think

813
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 3: about the net number. But the NFC West, if this

814
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: goes through, would be a pretty tax heavy, you know

815
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: division to play it, right, if you're making twenty thirty

816
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: forty million dollars living in Seattle and you get dinged

817
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: with the ten percent, so you're essentially paying ten percent

818
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: income tax. You also play games in California, which is

819
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: within a couple of years probably like fifteen sixteen percent.

820
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: You play the forty nine ers, you play the Rams,

821
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 3: and you get a little You've coming here to Arizona,

822
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: which is two percent flat tax, but which is fantastic.

823
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I don't. I don't think the

824
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 3: league is worried. Like that's a U problem, right, what

825
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: your state income taxes are, what your taxes are, Like,

826
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: you get benefits if you play in Green Bay, your

827
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: housing is way cheaper. Right, if you play in Jacksonville,

828
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: you'r housing is way cheaper than if you play in

829
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: New York City, or if you play in you know,

830
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: if San Francisco, they are in the heart of Silicon Valley,

831
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: so you have very very inflated home price. Same thing

832
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: with southern California. And if you play in Houston, you

833
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: could live in a fucking mansion for three or four

834
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: million dollars. That same house in Los Angeles might be

835
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: seventeen million dollars. On top of that, your property taxes

836
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: and everything are dramatically more because you're paying one point

837
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: five percent or one point four percent property tax on

838
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars instead of whatever, even if Texas is

839
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: higher on three million dollars. So it all factors in.

840
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: But I think one thing's pretty clear that doesn't really

841
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: factor to most of these free agents when they're offered,

842
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: like the biggest number gross they typically take. Mike Evans

843
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: just left Florida to come to the forty nine ers,

844
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: so I'm sure it will have an impact, but I

845
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: don't necessarily view the impact taking place. Lebron James actively

846
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: went to Los Angeles, Steph Curry, Draymond green Clay in

847
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: the perfect world would have stayed there forever. Kevin Durant

848
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 3: chose the Bay Area.

849
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: Like I think, at the end.

850
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: Of the day, a lot of the players, like, if

851
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: you give me the best chance to win and you're

852
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: paying me a lot of money, I get dinged on

853
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: the taxes. Now I'm not saying I would think like that,

854
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: but I would say consistent theme. The agents always talk

855
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: a big game. But here's the thing with the agents.

856
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: They don't get taxed on net revenue. They get taxed

857
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 3: on the or they don't get charged like they don't

858
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: get paid on if you make ten million dollars but

859
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: you only take home five, they ding the ten. To

860
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: my knowledge, I've always thought that, and I've always been

861
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 3: told that. So yeah, I mean, I just think John

862
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: Snyder doesn't want it to go through shitto impact him.

863
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: If I was him, Fuck, I wouldn't want it either.

864
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 3: So now it doesn't come through till twenty twenty eight.

865
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: But they've also had a pretty big advantage over the

866
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: Rams and the Niners. They've had zero percent income tax forever, right,

867
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: So it's probably been pretty lucrative to keep in some

868
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: of their guys because, like, shit, I'm so different being

869
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 3: in Texas or Florida. The Chiefs are in to rebuild

870
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 3: with their difficult division, and listening to your podcasts, it's

871
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: clear you would take an edge wresher or an O lineman. However,

872
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: four of the starters are solid and the best center

873
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: in the league leading it. In one of your podcasts,

874
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: you said, how how four good olignemen can make a

875
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: good line, showing that isn't a priority for the Chiefs.

876
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: They also Jalen Moore, who played games last year. So

877
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: do many people believe the Chiefs should take a right

878
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: tackle with nine instead of a linebacker such as Sunny

879
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: Styles to replace Chanelle an athletic freak, or Caleb Downs

880
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: to improve the secondary. I guess my main take on

881
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: the Chiefs is, if all things are equal, Jalen Moore's

882
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: a backup. He's a good swing tackle right who can

883
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: start in a pinch, who's got some talent. But if

884
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: you have the opportunity to what you believe is a

885
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: ten year starter at right tackle, that is there, you

886
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 3: gotta do it. Jalen Moore isn't a long term answer

887
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: at left or right tackle. Obviously Simmons at left tackle,

888
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: but the Chiefs don't ever plan on drafting this high again,

889
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: So if you can get one of the blue chip

890
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: linemen or pass rushers, I think it's really hard to

891
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: pass that up. Now, if you have Caleb Downs ranked

892
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: way higher than whoever is on the board at the time,

893
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: you know, conventional wisdom by the good GMS is take

894
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: the best player available. That's why Jeremiah Loves not.

895
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: Gonna fall very far right.

896
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: Who do we think is the best player on the board,

897
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: And if that's Caleb Downs, I think you have to

898
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: think long and hard about it.

899
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: Right.

900
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: If that's Sonny Styles, I think you have to think.

901
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: Long and hard about it.

902
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: But if all things are equal, right, Sonny Styles is

903
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: right there with the best right tackle, I think you

904
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: got to take the right tackle. Because no one's ever

905
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 3: complained about having enough good offensive lineman.

906
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: They just haven't.

907
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: So Andy Reid's a former offensive lineman at his core,

908
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: and they've had a lot of success drafting good offensive

909
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: lineman for this team over the years, and I don't

910
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: think that'll change. If there is a guy worthy of

911
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: that pick, we'll have to see how it shakes out.

912
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: A lot of stuffs out of their control, right, I mean,

913
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: they'll have a decent idea, but there's no guarantee Caleb

914
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: Downs will be there. But there's no guarantee one of

915
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: the top right tackles will be there, So maybe Sunny

916
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: Styles is just the best player on the board and

917
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: that's who they take. Love the show, love your takes,

918
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: but feels like you and Colin are pilot on JJ.

919
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: Vikings won nine games with a near thirty five point

920
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: six QBR, basically bottom tier. Meanwhile, Kyler Murray's career QBR

921
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 3: is fifty six. That's twenty point jump. Will be better,

922
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: not to mention, we're forty million dollars over the cap. Also,

923
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: JJ's runway has been wild, won a national title, Torres Meniscus,

924
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: got married, had a baby all before his first NFL

925
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 3: regular season start. JJ's path is infinitely harder, but writing

926
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 3: him off completely feels premature. Kyler's twenty twenty six option

927
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: not necessarily the long term plan.

928
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: I got back to back JJ questions, so I'll just answer.

929
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: I'll just ask this one too, with.

930
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy situation looking disastrous, so a little bit different opinion.

931
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: Do you think gms and.

932
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 3: Coaches will stop reaching on quarterbacks for being a quote winner,

933
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: having a strong handshake when they look you in the eyes.

934
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: Obviously being a little dramatic, But there's nothing to me

935
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: in JJ's production or traits that screened first round. Even

936
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: bow Knicks had tangible athleticism that we saw fairly consistently.

937
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: When I was with Coward on last Friday, he did

938
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: a topic he led the show with about being a

939
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: winner and how overrated being a winner is. Right in college,

940
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: AJ McCarron, who's had a really impressive backup quarterback career,

941
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: was a big time winner in college for Alabama. Stetson

942
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: Bennett was a winner at Georgia. Tim Tebow is one

943
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: of the great winners we've ever seen. JJ McCarthy played

944
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 3: on a team in college where basically every starter all

945
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: twenty two our players in the NFL, and a large

946
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: handful of those guys are starters.

947
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: In the NFL.

948
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: His head coach wasn't just a college high end college

949
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: head coach. He's one of the best head coaches in

950
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: the NFL. The guy leading the defense on Michigan isn't

951
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: just a head coach in college. He's viewed as the

952
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: next Mike McDonald's Jesse Minter. So he played on a

953
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: team with a top five to six NFL head coach

954
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: with his defensive coordinator who immediately became one of the

955
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: best defensive coordinators in the NFL when he came with

956
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: Jim and then immediately got a job in the NFL

957
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: to replace Jim's brother John. That's pretty abnormal when you

958
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 3: look at some of these SABAN teams, those guys left

959
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: to become coaches. They all just became college coaches. These

960
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: fucking guys said peace out to college, went to the NFL,

961
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: made the playoffs back to back years, and then Jesse

962
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: got a job. So JJ's situation in college is kind

963
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: of unlike any we've ever seen, at least in the

964
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: Internet age. Like we've seen a lot of Urban and

965
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: Sabin and Kirby their guys get jobs in college. These

966
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: guys are NFL guys who kick ass in take names.

967
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 3: JJ basically got to drive a Ferrari, and you could

968
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 3: argue he didn't have to drive. He had a driver,

969
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: so he didn't have to do that much. Obviously, the

970
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: game against Penn State where they ran the ball like

971
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: thirty straight times in the game. He had like a

972
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo level situation in college. But when you could

973
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: do like.

974
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: Any made some plays.

975
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: Jimmy was doing that in the pros. So this notion

976
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: that he could just become Jimmy Garoppolo seemed like a

977
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 3: pretty big stretch and the answer is so far not

978
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 3: even close. So I don't think it was about winner.

979
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: I think they thought, like, this guy could be Jimmy Garoppolo,

980
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: this guy could be Derek Carr, and it turns out

981
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: like those guys had to do way more in college.

982
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: Derek Carr was throwing like fifty sixty touchdowns in college.

983
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo played Division One Double A, but was like

984
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 3: dominant player.

985
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: JJ didn't do shit.

986
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: And once that Colin had was all the guys in

987
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: his draft, the other five quarterbacks, they averaged three hundred

988
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: yards a game passing.

989
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: JJ didn't even average two hundred. So yeah, he was

990
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 2: a winner.

991
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 3: Well, no shit, But you know who like he played

992
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: for the winner, Jim Harbaugh. He just happened to be

993
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: his quarterback. Everyone that plays for Jim Harbaugh is a winner,

994
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 3: going back to the University of San Diego, Josh Johnson,

995
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 3: to Kaepernick, to Alex to all the quarterbacks at Michigan

996
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: and now Justin Herbert. Now, some of those guys are

997
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 3: better than others, but Jim Harbaugh is the winner. JJ

998
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: McCarthy just happened to be the quarterback on a team

999
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: that was loaded with NFL guys. So I hear you

1000
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: on the winner thing. It does matter, like i'd like

1001
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 3: you to be winning in college. But like Josh Allen

1002
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: didn't sniff the national championship, Patrick Mahomes didn't sniff the

1003
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: national championship. Lamar Jackson wasn't gonna win the national What

1004
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: was his best season? Like eight and four, nine and three,

1005
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, That's not what translates. What translates is like

1006
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: on third and seven, can you hit the out route? Well,

1007
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: Michigan wasn't in third seven that often because they were

1008
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: getting first downs on like second down, running the ball

1009
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: down your throat and scoring on defense, dominating and not

1010
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: allowing any points. And then JJ goes to Minnesota. It's like, okay,

1011
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: it's twenty to twenty fourth quarter, could you drive us

1012
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: fifty yards again us in the field goal range? And

1013
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 3: the answer is no. And the other thing is Kevin

1014
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: O'Connell is the opposite of Jim Harball. In a perfect world,

1015
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: Jim Harball would play like the eighty five Bears would

1016
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: play like the twenty eleven forty nine ers, run the ball,

1017
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: play defense, and win every game like fifteen to ten

1018
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: and run every game, run for like one hundred and

1019
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: forty yards and just dominate the clock, multiple sacks, just

1020
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: play physical last day. That's like he dreams, Kevin O'Connell

1021
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: dreams of like scoring forty or fifty points. They're both quarterbacks.

1022
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 3: Jim Harball was a quarterback. Kevin O'Connell was a quarterback.

1023
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: They philosophically look at football differently when it comes to offense.

1024
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: And Kevin O'Connell wants his quarterback like Sam Donald throw

1025
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: thirty five touchdowns or Kirk Cousins a couple of years ago,

1026
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: be explosive down the field.

1027
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: It's not really JJ's thing. Clearly.

1028
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: That's why they pivoted to Kyler Murray. So, yeah, are

1029
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: we piling on? I didn't create this, they did. I'm

1030
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: just reacting to like it's a disaster, and they're telling

1031
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: you a disaster by bringing in Kyler Murray, who's going

1032
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: to win the job? Like the job is over. JJ

1033
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: McCarthy is not going to be the starting quarterback. Now.

1034
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: Kyler could get hurt, JJ.

1035
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: Could play, But if I'm a betting man right now,

1036
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy will not be on the team next year,

1037
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: this was the question about super Bowls. So I just

1038
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 3: don't agree that a super Bowl or being a winner

1039
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: makes you infinitely more marketable. Sure, extreme outliers like Jordan

1040
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: Brady or Mahomes that have goat arguments being put on

1041
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: your sports Mount Rushmore can lead to more opportunities. The

1042
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: vast majority of players, though, aren't suddenly going to experience

1043
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: a massive surge in opportunities just because they have a

1044
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 3: ring or more team success. It's more about charisma, brand friendliness,

1045
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: and how well you do on camera. Marino's a guy

1046
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: that famously never won a ring, and I see him

1047
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 3: on my TV all the time due to those factors.

1048
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: If I was gonna push back against that example, Marino

1049
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 3: is widely and universally viewed as one of.

1050
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: The greatest players in the history this morn.

1051
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 3: Right, So if you're Dan Marino or we just go

1052
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: around doctor j like, he's viewed like he's not the

1053
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 3: best player of all time, but he is one of

1054
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 3: the most important players.

1055
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 2: In the history this morn, You're gonna have brand recognition forever.

1056
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: But if you win a Super Bowl or a World

1057
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: Series or an NBA championship in that given town, you

1058
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: are going to have marketability whether you have a huge

1059
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: personality or you're not that personable.

1060
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: That is my point.

1061
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: Now, Obviously, you could have a big personality and not

1062
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 3: win and go on to be a marketable individual. Right,

1063
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: Tony Romo, how many playoff games Tony Romo win? Big

1064
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: personality outspoken makes twenty million, thirty million dollars a.

1065
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: Year calling football games. Right.

1066
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: Tom Brady got paid thirty seven million dollars to call

1067
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 3: football games because he's Tom Brady obviously. But Greg Olsen,

1068
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: bigger personality, never won a Super Bowl, is going to

1069
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: have a very lucrative and long career calling games. Personality matters,

1070
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: and it's never mattered more than now. And being authentic and.

1071
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 2: Being relatable for sure.

1072
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: But if you win in a place, you're kind of

1073
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 3: taken care of in the sense of like you matter

1074
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: to that organization in that city and you're marketable in

1075
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 3: that area. I've seen in the Bear with the San

1076
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: Fransco Giants. It's gonna be like that with the Golden

1077
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: State Warriors forever, like everyone that was part of their

1078
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: core group.

1079
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: You know, Klay Thompson.

1080
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: Isn't the biggest personality, right, but he's a made man

1081
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: in the Bay Area till the day dies, and I,

1082
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: like you said, they're extreme outliers Jordan Tiger Woods, Tom

1083
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: Brady serena right federer. But I think there are a

1084
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 3: lot of guys in that next tier that once you

1085
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: become a champion, it changes the course of your career

1086
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: and it changes the way you're viewed, especially if you're

1087
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: in a bigger market.

1088
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: Right if the New York.

1089
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 3: Knicks win the NBA Championship this year, they're best player.

1090
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson, Who's gonna be so rich.

1091
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: It won't even matter whether they win it or not.

1092
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: But there are other role players that would just be

1093
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: Like when I think about the New York Knicks when

1094
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: I was a kid, they never even won it, and

1095
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: John Starks and some of the core guys that still

1096
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: feel synonymous with that team, and sometimes you see at

1097
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 3: the games. So I think it's no different if you

1098
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: win a championship some of these markets, you're just you

1099
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 3: matter there for a long time, and there are different

1100
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: amounts of money. But using Dan Marino as example, like

1101
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 3: day Marine is one of the greatest players of all time,

1102
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: whether he wins a championship or not. If you're one

1103
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: of the greatest players of all time, like you're gonna

1104
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: be famous for a long time.

1105
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll end on this question for the pod.

1106
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: I've heard you and Colin give your opinion on the Bears,

1107
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: and I just don't see the same thing. Granted I'm

1108
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: a Packer fan, but hear me out. No Dj Moore,

1109
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: no pro Bowl center retire for.

1110
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: An inferior player. True.

1111
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: True, Their entire secondary, who turned over the ball at

1112
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 3: a historic rate last season, are now on other teams.

1113
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: Mainly true Jalen Johnson's back, but you know he was

1114
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: banged up last year in miss time.

1115
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: But I hear you.

1116
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: They lost Edmonds a linebacker and replaced him with Devin

1117
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: Bush like for lik in my opinion, done next to

1118
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: nothing to improve a non existent pass rush. I will

1119
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: say Kobe Bryant was a good addition, but he's not

1120
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 3: making a mid defense who relied on turnovers that much better.

1121
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 3: Helped me understand. You know, he created fourteen turnovers last

1122
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: two years, so I would say he's a turnover guy. You.

1123
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: I think hope Jalen Johnson gets back to one hundred

1124
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: percent from his injury. You have to draft defense. I

1125
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 3: hear you on the pass rush. Part of the reason

1126
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm a believer is there's natural turnover year to year. Right,

1127
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: the Chiefs just lost their entire secondary. When you have

1128
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: a star head coach, I just believe in you. I

1129
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: think Ben Johnson is top notch. I put him with

1130
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: Sean McVay, I put him with Kyle shanahan, I put

1131
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: him with Andy reach On Payton, like, I think he's

1132
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: got a chance to.

1133
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: Be just an all timer. I think he's pretty special.

1134
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: I would take Ben Johnson over Kevin O'Connell. I feel

1135
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 3: pretty confident about that, actually, partly because philosophically I.

1136
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: See the game.

1137
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 3: I'm not acting like I know scheme like either guy.

1138
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: But Ben Johnson's core. I think he wants to run

1139
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: the ball more. Kevin O'Connell's a little more pass happy

1140
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: for me. But when you have that, I just buy

1141
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 3: into you. So they do bring a lot of guys back, obviously,

1142
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: like you said, the center thing, nothing they could do

1143
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 3: to control that, but that it is what it is.

1144
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: That's they didn't plan on that happening.

1145
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: In a perfect world, he doesn't retire and they don't

1146
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 3: have to trade for the patriot guy, right, who's not

1147
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: as good as a player. They let some guys go

1148
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: in the secondary. Right, obviously they picked the ball off

1149
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: a lot, which their defense wasn't good, but they had

1150
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: a historic turnover rate. I I just think their offense

1151
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: is gonna be better and defensively, like we'll see, I mean,

1152
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: we'll see what they do in the draft. I think

1153
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: they're gonna be pretty good. I think they're gonna be

1154
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: pretty good. I think Dennis Allen's are really good defensive coordinator.

1155
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: I think their head coach, he's also the play callers

1156
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 3: of stud And if I just bet on Caleb Williams

1157
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 3: getting five eight percent better, it's becoming a little more consistent.

1158
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: Now.

1159
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 3: If that doesn't happen, then yeah, I think they could

1160
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: be the same exact team, but not as good, right

1161
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: because their defense might not have as many turnovers so

1162
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: they win ten games. But if you tell me Caleb

1163
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: gets better, even if their defense has some deficiencies, I

1164
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 3: think they could be really good. So I'm betting on

1165
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson improving Kleb Williams and keeping the momentum as

1166
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 3: a great head coach to improve the team. I'm much

1167
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: higher on the Packers than most people like. Their history

1168
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: speaks for itself. They had a bunch of weird shit happen,

1169
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 3: and they like, at one point in time last year,

1170
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 3: I thought they were gonna win the NFC. So I

1171
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: think they have a chance to get right back in.

1172
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: The Lions offense was very bizarre last year. They have

1173
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of injuries. I think the Lions could

1174
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: be a factor. So I listen, it's not easy in Minnesota.

1175
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 3: It's like not some if they're the fourth best team

1176
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 3: in your division, which some would argue middle.

1177
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: Cooff, what are you talking about?

1178
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Speaker 1: Right?

1179
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 3: They're they're a problem as well, Kyler. I mean, they

1180
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 3: couldn't be as bad as they were last year on offense.

1181
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: From a passing game standpoint. So I hear you.

1182
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 3: I think it's fair. But I'm betting on Ben Johnson.

1183
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 3: I'm betting on improving the quarterback, and I just bet

1184
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: on good head coaches to be good. I mean, it's

1185
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: it's really that simple. I mean, I don't know what

1186
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 3: else to tell you. The volume