WEBVTT - World Building with Nikki Hiltz 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.680 Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're putting 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.520 ourselves in time out for saying rugby player alone of 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.440 Mar's name wrong this whole time. Who the hell is 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:15.200 Alana Mayor? Come on, Spain, you're better than that, all right, 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:16.120 I'm a head out. 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.520 Uh, Sarah, you still kind of got to host the show? 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:21.680 Oh shit, right? All right. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.239 On today's show, we're gonna chat with American runner Nikki 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.960 Hilts about breaking the US Olympic Trials meet record in 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.840 the fifteen hundred, qualifying for Paris and educating and inspiring 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.800 fans along the way, plus more medals for Tmusa, we 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.479 take a walk down memory Lane, and more. It's all 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:43.960 coming up after the break. We're back, and here's what 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:49.400 you need to know today. First things First, Alone o Mar, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.680 My apologies to our queen. It turns out I needed 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.240 to stop obsessively watching her instagrams and start obsessively watching 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.040 her games instead, you know, so i'd know how to 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.000 say her damn name right, and also. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:08.480 So I could watch them win a bronze medal. That's right. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.320 Yesterday, Team USA rugby little slip up fell to New 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.759 Zealand in their semi final matchup twenty four to twelve, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.240 but they bounced back in the bronze medal match later 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.319 in the day and defeated Australia fourteen to twelve on 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.679 a last second run by Alex Cedric with no time remaining. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.960 If you didn't see it, you have to look it up. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.520 That's the best finish and the first medal ever for 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:30.680 USA and rugby. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.120 How about them Ruggers? 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.360 And you know what, I saw someone say that the 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.360 rugby women were having their ninety nine. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:37.520 Ers moment in these games. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.120 And I do think that a lot of kids are 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.480 probably watching and searching how and where to play and 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:44.839 kind of falling in love with rugby. 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.679 So what a legacy way to go, ladies. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.760 And I think someone needs to book Alona on every 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.120 late night show or just give her her own show. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:58.120 In gymnastics, Simone Biles and Team USA are golden again. Biles, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.280 Jordan Chiles, Sunny Lee, Jade Care and sixteen year old 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.680 Hesley Rivera, who competed in qualifying but not in the final, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.320 finished with a total score of one hundred and seventy 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.320 one point twenty nine to six. That's almost six points 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.079 clear of second place Italy. Simone earns her eighth Olympic medal, 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.679 passing Shannon Miller for the most all time by a 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.280 US gymnast, and her fifth gold ties a US record 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:24.840 set by Anton Hayda way back in nineteen oh four. Also, 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.120 according to NBC Sports, Nick sa Cardi, Ali Raisman was 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.600 the oldest US female gymnast to win Olympic gold at 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.080 twenty two, but now Simone, Jade and Jordan all surpassed that. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.520 We love to see these ladies staying in the sport 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.680 longer and definitely competing with more joy. There's been this 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.160 real culture change in the sport in the last couple 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.200 of years, and that's been just incredible to see. Brazil's 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.360 Rebecca Andrages all around score was just zero point three 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.799 sixty six behind Simone Biles on the night. Now, Biles 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.359 didn't do her incredible Yurchenko double pike vault, that crazy 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.920 vault we keep seeing in this team event, so she 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.880 still got that trick up or sleeve heading into the 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.519 individual all around. On Thursday, I mentioned Italy got silver. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.880 That's huge. They win an Olympic team medal for the 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.000 first time in ninety six years, and with the bronze 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.000 Brazil wins its first ever medal in the team event 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.239 and finally shout out to Laurie Hernandez on the call. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.160 She's such a joy to listen to. She's so human too. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.120 We get the gasps and the giggles alongside all the insights. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.000 Just perfection And if you didn't know the story, she 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.240 was a real gold medalist. She failed to make the 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.079 Tokyo Olympic team, but went anyway as a commentator for NBC, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.920 making the best of a disappointing situation and jump starting 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.560 her career as a broadcaster. And she's been great, so 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.120 an impressive pivot, even for a world class gymnast. In swimming, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.320 the fifteen hundred meter freestyle final is today at three 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:46.320 pm Eastern. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:47.720 A little context here. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.120 This is just the second Olympics that women have been 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.000 allowed to swim the fifteen hundred meter. Until Tokyo, they 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:54.960 were stuck at eight hundred meters even though the men 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.280 have been swimming the fifteen hundred since nineteen oh eight. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.320 You heard that right, And this is good news for 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.200 American Katie Ladeki because she's the favorite, and understandably so. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.760 She has not lost a race in this event in 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:12.560 fourteen years and in the qualifier Ladeki beat the next 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.760 closest swimmer by almost twenty whole seconds. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.320 That's some goat shit on the pitch. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.360 USA Soccer already punched his ticket to the knockout stage, 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.000 but they close out group play today against Australia at 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.280 one pm Eastern Tierna Davidson will miss this game. She 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.480 suffered a knee contusion against Germany forward Jaden Shaw, who 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.280 missed the first two games due to a lingering lower 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.000 leg injury, will not be available either. In tennis, Coco 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.520 Goff suffered a surprising loss to Donna Vekich of Croatia 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.680 yesterday and it was deja. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:42.559 Vu in a bad way. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:44.960 Goff found herself fighting a similar call to the one 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.159 made by an official in the French Open in June, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.000 and on the same court. Even so, there was a 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.560 return volli from Bekich hit near the baseline and a 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.440 line judge called it out. Because of the call, GoF 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.760 didn't keep the ball in play, but then the chair 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.760 umpire decided that Beckicch's shot did lit and in bounds 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.600 and gave her the point. Goff pleaded her case, saying 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.719 that the ball was called out before she hit it 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.400 and that she had a right to finish or swing 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.000 without being impeded by the call. But with no video 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.640 review available, the ump stood firm and Veckich was given 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.760 the point. For what it's worth, the call happened after 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.960 Gough was already behind, but it's still hard to measure 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.560 how a moment like that can affect a competitor's mindset. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.320 So no singles medal for Coco, but she still got 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.120 a shot at medaling in women's doubles and mixed doubles. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:32.160 The BMX Freestyle finals are today. Americans Hannah Roberts and 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.920 Paris Benegas will take to the course at seven ten 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.160 am Eastern on USA Network. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:38.679 Roberts is a five time. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.760 World champion and will look to improve on the silver 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.799 medal she earned in the Olympic debut of BMX freestyle 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.520 three years ago. Plus there's plenty more to follow on 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.560 today's Olympic slate. Team USA Field Hockey taken on Australia 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.000 today at seven to fifteen am Eastern, looking for their 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.520 first win after opening with a loss to Argentina and 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:57.560 a drug against Spain. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:58.960 Now, if you haven't seen. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.320 It, go watch this incredible play from that tie with Spain. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.440 We're even going to link to it in our show notes. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.440 Just a minute into the game, one of Spain's players 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.880 took a point blank shot on goal and it slipped 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:13.480 past the US keeper Kelsey Bing, but unclum and certified 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.400 badass Ashley Hoffman saved the day with a clutch defensive 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.640 save and it ended up leading to an incredible transition play. 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.080 Ten seconds later, Penn State's Fia Gladio found the back 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.400 of the net. Such a cool play. Even if you 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.279 don't understand bioldagi, even if you're still figuring out the rules, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.159 go watch that and get hyped for USA Australia. Today 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.400 in indoor volleyball, USA plays Serbia and Pool A play 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.120 at eleven am Eastern. In beach volleyball, reigning world champs 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.240 Sarah Hughes and Kelly Chang of the US faced host 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.480 country France at nine am Eastern. That's streaming on Peacock. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.520 They opened their Olympics with a two to zero win 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.760 over Checchia, and they can confirm a spot in the 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.839 round of sixteen with another pool see win today in 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.719 three x three basketball. After opening their Olympic campaign, With 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.719 the loss to Germany, the US team looked to rebound 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.599 against Azerbaijan at three point thirty pm. Easterns have never 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.320 played each other at a World Championships or an Olympic Games, 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.000 and Azerbaijan's roster sports a name familiar to many WNBA fans. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:12.040 Las Vegas Aces guard Tiffany Hayes. Hayes became a naturalized 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.520 Azerbaijani citizen in twenty fifteen and will make her Olympic debut. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.120 This is also Azerbaijan's first three x three appearance at 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:24.680 the Olympics. In honor of today's guest, the amazing Nicky Hilt, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.320 who is a proud representative for the LGBTQIA plus community, 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.360 I want to shout out a great statistic from this 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.040 year's Olympic Games. Yep, that means it's time for good game, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.720 good game, fact you. According to outsports dot Com, the 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.160 Paris Olympics have an all time record of one hundred 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:46.160 and ninety three openly lgbtqia plus athletes competing gay perie. Indeed, 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.960 also I want to shout out the Pride House, which 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.600 debuted at the twenty ten Olympics and this year is 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:52.960 located on a boat. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.400 Floating down the Senne River. 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.760 The Pride House acts as a hub for the queer 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.520 community during the competition, and this year there's even a 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.040 pop up Pride House where teams of volunteers will visit 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.720 various venues, meet with the public, and raise awareness of 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.760 the LGBTQIA plus issues in sport. 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:07.480 We love it. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.920 Okay, we got to take a quick break, but when 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.160 we come back, we'll hear from Nicky Hilts. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:16.800 Joining us today. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.840 Nicki Hilts, the American record holder in the mile, the 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:23.240 two time reigning US outdoor fifteen hundred meter champion. At 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.120 the US Olympic Track Trials last month, Hilt's clock the 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.760 second fastest time ever recorded by an American in the 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.360 women's fifteen hundred meter race. Their time of three minutes 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.800 and fifty five point thirty three seconds was a personal 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.600 best and a meet record. They competed collegiately for Oregon 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.320 in Arkansas. They just might have more sunglasses than shoes 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.360 and fun fact, Hilts is a professional runner and they 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.480 can't even beat their own girlfriend in the steeplechase. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.560 Welcome Nicki Hilts. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.000 Very amazing intro. Thank you so much, I'm so excited 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:54.440 to be here. 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:56.640 Shout out to your girlfriend. I'm McGee. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.680 She's a steeplechaser. Hence the dig at you. I won't 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.800 even ask you if you think you could. You could 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.240 beat her if you trained hard enough, because I'm not 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.640 starting any beef. I'm not starting any beef in the household. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.160 First of all, congrats on the Olympic berth. That's so 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.640 exciting and what an incredible time at the trials. You're 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.280 now the second fastest American in the fifteen hundred. The 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.520 top eight finishers in that trials race all set personal best. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.560 That is a fast, fast race. The Olympics are such 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.120 a lifelong dream for so many athletes. I'm wondering how 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.240 that moment of crossing the finish line and knowing that 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.640 you're headed to the Games, how did that compare to 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.400 your expectations or maybe lifelong dreams about it. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.880 Yeah, it was definitely just an amazing moment. I think 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.440 just a lot of emotions at once. I think one 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:49.600 was definitely joy, another was like relief because there's just 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.880 so much pressure on the trials, and then the third, 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.760 I would say, would be like shock, Like I knew 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.720 going into that race. You know, top three get an 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.800 Olympic berth and I knew I could be third, Like 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.959 that was something I was very confident in. But I'm 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.720 a competitor and I wanted to win, and like I 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.000 thought that I could, but obviously there was some doubt too, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.520 because you know, Ellie Saint Pierre had had a PR 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.000 at the time that was four seconds better than mine. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.720 So yeah, I mean I did believe deep down, but 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.360 like actually when it was happening and breaking the tape, 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.079 I was like, I can't believe I'm winning this right now, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.160 Like what's going on? So yeah, just a lot of emotions. 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.160 And then you add on the fact that yet like, yes, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.560 this race means a lot in that now I can 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.719 finally call myself an Olympian, And yeah, I think it's 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.360 just surreal because it's a goal I've had, I don't know, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.360 probably ever since like two thousand and four, two thousand 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.600 and eight, just tuning into those Olympics as a kid. Uh. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.400 I think I just was watching it and I was like, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.080 I want to be there someday, and so it's just 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.200 crazy to, yeah, have a childhood dream just come true 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:51.440 like that. 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.160 After you qualified for the Olympics. You said this race 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.720 is bigger than just me. Can you explain what you meant? 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.560 Yeah, I mean, I feel like the past few years, 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:02.880 you know, I've been very vocal and out about my 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.760 gender identity and sexuality, and so yeah, I wanted to 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.160 run this race for my community, and I just feel 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.200 when I stand on the start line, I just feel 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.160 so overwhelmed with love and support, and I think it 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.480 allows me to run really free because I know, no 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.840 matter what the result, or whether I'm first or last 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.040 in this race, I'm going to be loved and supported. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.840 And so that is just such a gift that I 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.400 feel like I've gotten from the queer community, and so 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.640 I yeah, I wanted to give it back and just 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.360 think them in any way I could, And so yeah, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.200 I feel like dedicating that race to them was like 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.520 my wife's just saying thank you for allowing me to 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.000 run so free. 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:37.600 So cool. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.440 I want to give our listeners the correct context and 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.000 information for your gender identity and your sexuality. You're getting 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.440 a lot of incredible coverage about it, but a lot 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.760 of people still sort of misunderstand this or just don't 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.440 have the knowledge, haven't really talked about or read enough 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.520 about the differences between sex and gender and gender identity, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.760 and especially in the sports world, that's so binary. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.320 So let's sort of level set. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.800 On the International Transgender Day of Visibility of twenty twenty one, 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.000 you announce on Instagram that you're transgender and non binary. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.480 So can you tell us what transgender and non binary 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:09.960 mean to you? 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.960 Yeah, it's a great question. I think people get confused. Yeah, 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.679 I'm non binary, but I use the term trans non 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.920 binary because I believe that being non binary is underneath 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.880 the trans umbrella. But I think people see the word 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.280 trans and automatically think, like, Okay, were you assigned female 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.800 at birth? And are you now you know, a transman 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.160 or vice versa, where you assigned male at birth and 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.520 you already trans woman? Like I think people are still 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.160 in that very binary headspace. And so yeah, to me, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.240 like non binary means like just gender fluid and like 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.839 my my gender is it's a spectrum, like I've never 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:50.560 really identified fully with like girl and then vice versa, 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.199 never fully with boy either, and it's just somewhere in between. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.199 And I didn't have context for what that meant until 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:58.679 I was a little bit older, you know. I think 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.880 it was the pandemic. Honestly, in twenty twenty, when you 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.280 know I got TikTok and my for you page, knew 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.240 I was trans before I did. It was it was 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.439 just that I saw them. The algorithms are too good, 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.360 and so I started seeing all this non binary representation 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.000 literally on my for you page and I was like, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.040 oh my god, this is me. This is what I've 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.120 felt my entire life. And so yeah, and then a 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.040 year later, you know, on trans Day Visibility, I told 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.240 the you know, important people in my life and people, 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.120 you know, my partner and training partner and coach at 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.720 the time had started using d them pronouns for me. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.559 But I was like, I think it's time to tell 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.280 the world. And this is something I kind of had 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.640 to come out about, because if you want people to 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.080 affirm you and your gender, you have to let them 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.160 know that you use the them pronounce you know. So 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.200 it was kind of, yeah, that was my journey, But 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.600 what was the question defined? But not okay? 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:52.640 I think, you. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.320 Know, as a straight SIS woman who actually covers a 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.880 lot of women's sports and actually gets into a lot 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.480 of issues around gender identity and sexuality. The result of 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.520 covering a lot of women's sports where the isms are 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.960 always at play. I just find so many people haven't 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.439 ever read or thought about it, so for them, they 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.160 don't understand well enough to get what you just articulated, 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:13.960 which is this idea of like, yes, sometimes I wake 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:15.679 up and I'm a dude's dude and sometimes I wake 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:16.200 up and I'm a. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.520 Girl's girl, and it can be both. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.120 And now we see so many more representations of that, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.520 and we have the language for it, and that's allowing 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.480 so many people to understand the experiences of others. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:26.600 And I think it's sport. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.320 It's particularly useful because unfortunately we do have these incredibly 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:35.120 gender binary sets that we are having to fit people into, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.000 even if they don't feel like they fit in. And 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.920 I think some people are misunderstanding because they don't know enough, 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.000 and some people are being intentionally obtuse or even cruel. 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.960 You got a social media comment after winning at the trials. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.000 Someone accused you of being quote a mediocre man stealing 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.760 a woman's place on the Olympic team. Your response and 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.640 correction were both perfect and hilarious. But how do you 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.520 explain to folks who don't understand what it means to 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.440 be non binary trans and competing in women's events. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.480 I mean, I'm thinking back to the just the mediocre 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.400 man thing, and I actually wish I would have said 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.720 something like I feel like a mediocre man couldn't even 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.400 run three fifty five. But I'm not giving like a 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.360 lot of credit, like for men are. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.000 Not winning the Olympic trials. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.240 Come on, Yeah, exactly, but no, it's it's exactly like 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.680 you said, like some people are being ignorant on purpose, 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.160 and some people genuinely just have never heard what, don't 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.560 know what non binary means or and so yeah, I 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.600 do feel like I want to take my platform like 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.120 at times to educate. And I feel like the really 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.360 beautiful thing that's happened within the past three years is 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.480 that people have started to do it for me, like 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.920 you know, on my Instagram or whatever, Like someone will 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.240 be a comment like that's a dude or whatever it is, 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.440 and then you'll see at least five responses just from 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.480 my following or you know people who who yeah, like 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.600 are like, get out of here. You don't even know 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.720 what you're talking about, like he was a signed female birth. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.320 Like people do it for me now, which I think 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.680 is really beautiful. And but yeah, no, they're always I 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.480 think there's always opportunities to like educate, and like obviously 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.960 there's people who are just like assholes and ignorant and 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.840 like I'm maybe never gonna change their hearts and minds, 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.280 but like the people that I don't know. I got 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.760 a really beautiful message the other day from someone who 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.760 was like, you know, my liberal grandpa was watching the 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.000 trials and I was like cheering for you and using 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.960 day them pronouns, and he was like like, why are 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.640 you using that? Like what do you mean they like 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.600 there's only one person, And she was like it was 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.640 a really beautiful moment where I got to like educate 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.960 him and he was like, oh, that's really cool, Like 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.800 I didn't know that, and like so just things like that, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.160 I just really like fill my heart and like it's 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.280 not just this one. Like if you don't get it, 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.600 get out. I don't want to ever create that space. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.320 I think in order to create change, you kind of 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.480 have to find those people in the middle and and 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.240 do your best to educate, and then if they don't 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.440 want to know, it's like okay, well then I don't care. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.840 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I did my best. I tried. Yeah, 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:57.560 my friend. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:01.440 Chris moser Is is a transman in men's events and 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.400 talks a lot about how he almost has the privilege 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.520 of people not caring because they don't think that athletes 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.680 like him exist, and they also somehow think, well, he's 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.600 at a disadvantage being you know, assigned female at birth 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.480 and competing in the men's events. You also get some 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:22.240 accusations of abusing some sort of privilege of identifying as 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.840 trans and non binary but competing against women. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:26.720 How do you respond to that? 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.000 It's usually not being said in good faith or curiosity, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.440 but more so in a way to sort of continue 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:33.680 to demonize trans athletes. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.479 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just I know 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.080 my truth and like that's enough for me. Sometimes, Like 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.359 I know that i'm you know, I'm not taking any HRT, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.760 Like I'm not on hormone replacement therapy, Like I'm not 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.160 on testosterone. Like I know that I'm doing it fair 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.280 and I'm or whatever, I'm following the rules, like whatever 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.240 you want to call it. And I I don't know, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.280 I think that's enough for me. It's like, and also 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:02.000 I've nothing that anyone can say is anything that is 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.640 nothing's new. I've heard it all. I've seen it all. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.920 Nothing's gonna catch me by surprise anymore. And like, yeah, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.920 I also just think that I'm like I just have 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.199 a really good sports system around me, like my partner, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.880 my coaches, my training partners, like my therapists, like my family, 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.960 Like I just have such a like it's a pretty 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.320 small team, but it's like my people, and like I 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.919 know that, Like nothing's going to penetrate that. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.959 And I don't know. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:29.720 Yeah, does I answer your question? 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.560 Yeah, I mean, honestly, you're damned if you do, damned 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.119 if you don't. So, like, if you're trying to please 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.240 everybody or fix the opinions of people that you don't 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.040 even know that aren't saying them with you know, good intent, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.440 you'll spend a lot of time, you know, trying to 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.720 talk to people that don't deserve any energy your time. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.720 I want to talk personal best because the Olympic Trials 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.360 is a really good time to have one, and you 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.399 have had many of them of late. In fact, if 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.880 you go back to twenty twenty one, you finished last 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.240 in the fifteen hundred meters at the US Olympic Trials, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.800 and since then you've won two indoor and two outdoor 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.760