1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're putting 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: ourselves in time out for saying rugby player alone of 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Mar's name wrong this whole time. Who the hell is 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Alana Mayor? Come on, Spain, you're better than that, all right, 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: I'm a head out. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: Uh, Sarah, you still kind of got to host the show? 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Oh shit, right? All right. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: On today's show, we're gonna chat with American runner Nikki 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Hilts about breaking the US Olympic Trials meet record in 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred, qualifying for Paris and educating and inspiring 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: fans along the way, plus more medals for Tmusa, we 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: take a walk down memory Lane, and more. It's all 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: coming up after the break. We're back, and here's what 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: you need to know today. First things First, Alone o Mar, 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: My apologies to our queen. It turns out I needed 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: to stop obsessively watching her instagrams and start obsessively watching 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: her games instead, you know, so i'd know how to 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: say her damn name right, and also. 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: So I could watch them win a bronze medal. That's right. 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: Yesterday, Team USA rugby little slip up fell to New 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: Zealand in their semi final matchup twenty four to twelve, 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: but they bounced back in the bronze medal match later 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: in the day and defeated Australia fourteen to twelve on 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: a last second run by Alex Cedric with no time remaining. 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: If you didn't see it, you have to look it up. 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: That's the best finish and the first medal ever for 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: USA and rugby. 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: How about them Ruggers? 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: And you know what, I saw someone say that the 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: rugby women were having their ninety nine. 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: Ers moment in these games. 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: And I do think that a lot of kids are 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: probably watching and searching how and where to play and 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: kind of falling in love with rugby. 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: So what a legacy way to go, ladies. 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: And I think someone needs to book Alona on every 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: late night show or just give her her own show. 38 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: In gymnastics, Simone Biles and Team USA are golden again. Biles, 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: Jordan Chiles, Sunny Lee, Jade Care and sixteen year old 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: Hesley Rivera, who competed in qualifying but not in the final, 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: finished with a total score of one hundred and seventy 42 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: one point twenty nine to six. That's almost six points 43 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: clear of second place Italy. Simone earns her eighth Olympic medal, 44 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: passing Shannon Miller for the most all time by a 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: US gymnast, and her fifth gold ties a US record 46 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: set by Anton Hayda way back in nineteen oh four. Also, 47 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: according to NBC Sports, Nick sa Cardi, Ali Raisman was 48 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: the oldest US female gymnast to win Olympic gold at 49 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: twenty two, but now Simone, Jade and Jordan all surpassed that. 50 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: We love to see these ladies staying in the sport 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: longer and definitely competing with more joy. There's been this 52 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: real culture change in the sport in the last couple 53 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: of years, and that's been just incredible to see. Brazil's 54 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: Rebecca Andrages all around score was just zero point three 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: sixty six behind Simone Biles on the night. Now, Biles 56 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: didn't do her incredible Yurchenko double pike vault, that crazy 57 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: vault we keep seeing in this team event, so she 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: still got that trick up or sleeve heading into the 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: individual all around. On Thursday, I mentioned Italy got silver. 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: That's huge. They win an Olympic team medal for the 61 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: first time in ninety six years, and with the bronze 62 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: Brazil wins its first ever medal in the team event 63 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: and finally shout out to Laurie Hernandez on the call. 64 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: She's such a joy to listen to. She's so human too. 65 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: We get the gasps and the giggles alongside all the insights. 66 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: Just perfection And if you didn't know the story, she 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: was a real gold medalist. She failed to make the 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: Tokyo Olympic team, but went anyway as a commentator for NBC, 69 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: making the best of a disappointing situation and jump starting 70 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: her career as a broadcaster. And she's been great, so 71 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: an impressive pivot, even for a world class gymnast. In swimming, 72 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred meter freestyle final is today at three 73 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: pm Eastern. 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: A little context here. 75 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: This is just the second Olympics that women have been 76 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: allowed to swim the fifteen hundred meter. Until Tokyo, they 77 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: were stuck at eight hundred meters even though the men 78 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: have been swimming the fifteen hundred since nineteen oh eight. 79 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: You heard that right, And this is good news for 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: American Katie Ladeki because she's the favorite, and understandably so. 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: She has not lost a race in this event in 82 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: fourteen years and in the qualifier Ladeki beat the next 83 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: closest swimmer by almost twenty whole seconds. 84 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: That's some goat shit on the pitch. 85 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: USA Soccer already punched his ticket to the knockout stage, 86 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: but they close out group play today against Australia at 87 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: one pm Eastern Tierna Davidson will miss this game. She 88 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: suffered a knee contusion against Germany forward Jaden Shaw, who 89 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: missed the first two games due to a lingering lower 90 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: leg injury, will not be available either. In tennis, Coco 91 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: Goff suffered a surprising loss to Donna Vekich of Croatia 92 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: yesterday and it was deja. 93 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 2: Vu in a bad way. 94 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Goff found herself fighting a similar call to the one 95 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: made by an official in the French Open in June, 96 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: and on the same court. Even so, there was a 97 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: return volli from Bekich hit near the baseline and a 98 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: line judge called it out. Because of the call, GoF 99 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: didn't keep the ball in play, but then the chair 100 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: umpire decided that Beckicch's shot did lit and in bounds 101 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: and gave her the point. Goff pleaded her case, saying 102 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: that the ball was called out before she hit it 103 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: and that she had a right to finish or swing 104 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: without being impeded by the call. But with no video 105 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: review available, the ump stood firm and Veckich was given 106 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: the point. For what it's worth, the call happened after 107 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Gough was already behind, but it's still hard to measure 108 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: how a moment like that can affect a competitor's mindset. 109 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: So no singles medal for Coco, but she still got 110 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: a shot at medaling in women's doubles and mixed doubles. 111 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: The BMX Freestyle finals are today. Americans Hannah Roberts and 112 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: Paris Benegas will take to the course at seven ten 113 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: am Eastern on USA Network. 114 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 2: Roberts is a five time. 115 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: World champion and will look to improve on the silver 116 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: medal she earned in the Olympic debut of BMX freestyle 117 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: three years ago. Plus there's plenty more to follow on 118 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: today's Olympic slate. Team USA Field Hockey taken on Australia 119 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: today at seven to fifteen am Eastern, looking for their 120 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: first win after opening with a loss to Argentina and 121 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: a drug against Spain. 122 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: Now, if you haven't seen. 123 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: It, go watch this incredible play from that tie with Spain. 124 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: We're even going to link to it in our show notes. 125 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: Just a minute into the game, one of Spain's players 126 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: took a point blank shot on goal and it slipped 127 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: past the US keeper Kelsey Bing, but unclum and certified 128 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: badass Ashley Hoffman saved the day with a clutch defensive 129 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: save and it ended up leading to an incredible transition play. 130 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: Ten seconds later, Penn State's Fia Gladio found the back 131 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: of the net. Such a cool play. Even if you 132 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: don't understand bioldagi, even if you're still figuring out the rules, 133 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: go watch that and get hyped for USA Australia. Today 134 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: in indoor volleyball, USA plays Serbia and Pool A play 135 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: at eleven am Eastern. In beach volleyball, reigning world champs 136 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: Sarah Hughes and Kelly Chang of the US faced host 137 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: country France at nine am Eastern. That's streaming on Peacock. 138 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: They opened their Olympics with a two to zero win 139 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: over Checchia, and they can confirm a spot in the 140 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: round of sixteen with another pool see win today in 141 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: three x three basketball. After opening their Olympic campaign, With 142 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: the loss to Germany, the US team looked to rebound 143 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: against Azerbaijan at three point thirty pm. Easterns have never 144 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: played each other at a World Championships or an Olympic Games, 145 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: and Azerbaijan's roster sports a name familiar to many WNBA fans. 146 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Aces guard Tiffany Hayes. Hayes became a naturalized 147 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: Azerbaijani citizen in twenty fifteen and will make her Olympic debut. 148 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: This is also Azerbaijan's first three x three appearance at 149 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: the Olympics. In honor of today's guest, the amazing Nicky Hilt, 150 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: who is a proud representative for the LGBTQIA plus community, 151 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: I want to shout out a great statistic from this 152 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: year's Olympic Games. Yep, that means it's time for good game, 153 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: good game, fact you. According to outsports dot Com, the 154 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: Paris Olympics have an all time record of one hundred 155 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: and ninety three openly lgbtqia plus athletes competing gay perie. Indeed, 156 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: also I want to shout out the Pride House, which 157 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: debuted at the twenty ten Olympics and this year is 158 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: located on a boat. 159 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: Floating down the Senne River. 160 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: The Pride House acts as a hub for the queer 161 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: community during the competition, and this year there's even a 162 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: pop up Pride House where teams of volunteers will visit 163 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: various venues, meet with the public, and raise awareness of 164 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: the LGBTQIA plus issues in sport. 165 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: We love it. 166 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: Okay, we got to take a quick break, but when 167 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: we come back, we'll hear from Nicky Hilts. 168 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Joining us today. 169 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: Nicki Hilts, the American record holder in the mile, the 170 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: two time reigning US outdoor fifteen hundred meter champion. At 171 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: the US Olympic Track Trials last month, Hilt's clock the 172 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: second fastest time ever recorded by an American in the 173 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: women's fifteen hundred meter race. Their time of three minutes 174 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: and fifty five point thirty three seconds was a personal 175 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: best and a meet record. They competed collegiately for Oregon 176 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: in Arkansas. They just might have more sunglasses than shoes 177 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: and fun fact, Hilts is a professional runner and they 178 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: can't even beat their own girlfriend in the steeplechase. 179 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: Welcome Nicki Hilts. 180 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: Very amazing intro. Thank you so much, I'm so excited 181 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: to be here. 182 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: Shout out to your girlfriend. I'm McGee. 183 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: She's a steeplechaser. Hence the dig at you. I won't 184 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: even ask you if you think you could. You could 185 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: beat her if you trained hard enough, because I'm not 186 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: starting any beef. I'm not starting any beef in the household. 187 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: First of all, congrats on the Olympic berth. That's so 188 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: exciting and what an incredible time at the trials. You're 189 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: now the second fastest American in the fifteen hundred. The 190 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: top eight finishers in that trials race all set personal best. 191 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: That is a fast, fast race. The Olympics are such 192 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: a lifelong dream for so many athletes. I'm wondering how 193 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: that moment of crossing the finish line and knowing that 194 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: you're headed to the Games, how did that compare to 195 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: your expectations or maybe lifelong dreams about it. 196 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely just an amazing moment. I think 197 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: just a lot of emotions at once. I think one 198 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: was definitely joy, another was like relief because there's just 199 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: so much pressure on the trials, and then the third, 200 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: I would say, would be like shock, Like I knew 201 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: going into that race. You know, top three get an 202 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: Olympic berth and I knew I could be third, Like 203 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 3: that was something I was very confident in. But I'm 204 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 3: a competitor and I wanted to win, and like I 205 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: thought that I could, but obviously there was some doubt too, 206 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: because you know, Ellie Saint Pierre had had a PR 207 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: at the time that was four seconds better than mine. 208 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I did believe deep down, but 209 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: like actually when it was happening and breaking the tape, 210 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 3: I was like, I can't believe I'm winning this right now, 211 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: Like what's going on? So yeah, just a lot of emotions. 212 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: And then you add on the fact that yet like, yes, 213 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: this race means a lot in that now I can 214 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 3: finally call myself an Olympian, And yeah, I think it's 215 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: just surreal because it's a goal I've had, I don't know, 216 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: probably ever since like two thousand and four, two thousand 217 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: and eight, just tuning into those Olympics as a kid. Uh. 218 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: I think I just was watching it and I was like, 219 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: I want to be there someday, and so it's just 220 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: crazy to, yeah, have a childhood dream just come true 221 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: like that. 222 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: After you qualified for the Olympics. You said this race 223 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: is bigger than just me. Can you explain what you meant? 224 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like the past few years, 225 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 3: you know, I've been very vocal and out about my 226 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: gender identity and sexuality, and so yeah, I wanted to 227 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: run this race for my community, and I just feel 228 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: when I stand on the start line, I just feel 229 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: so overwhelmed with love and support, and I think it 230 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: allows me to run really free because I know, no 231 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: matter what the result, or whether I'm first or last 232 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: in this race, I'm going to be loved and supported. 233 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: And so that is just such a gift that I 234 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: feel like I've gotten from the queer community, and so 235 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: I yeah, I wanted to give it back and just 236 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: think them in any way I could, And so yeah, 237 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: I feel like dedicating that race to them was like 238 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: my wife's just saying thank you for allowing me to 239 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: run so free. 240 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: So cool. 241 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: I want to give our listeners the correct context and 242 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: information for your gender identity and your sexuality. You're getting 243 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: a lot of incredible coverage about it, but a lot 244 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: of people still sort of misunderstand this or just don't 245 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: have the knowledge, haven't really talked about or read enough 246 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: about the differences between sex and gender and gender identity, 247 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: and especially in the sports world, that's so binary. 248 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: So let's sort of level set. 249 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: On the International Transgender Day of Visibility of twenty twenty one, 250 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: you announce on Instagram that you're transgender and non binary. 251 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: So can you tell us what transgender and non binary 252 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: mean to you? 253 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question. I think people get confused. Yeah, 254 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: I'm non binary, but I use the term trans non 255 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: binary because I believe that being non binary is underneath 256 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: the trans umbrella. But I think people see the word 257 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: trans and automatically think, like, Okay, were you assigned female 258 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: at birth? And are you now you know, a transman 259 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: or vice versa, where you assigned male at birth and 260 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: you already trans woman? Like I think people are still 261 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: in that very binary headspace. And so yeah, to me, 262 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: like non binary means like just gender fluid and like 263 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: my my gender is it's a spectrum, like I've never 264 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 3: really identified fully with like girl and then vice versa, 265 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 3: never fully with boy either, and it's just somewhere in between. 266 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 3: And I didn't have context for what that meant until 267 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: I was a little bit older, you know. I think 268 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: it was the pandemic. Honestly, in twenty twenty, when you 269 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: know I got TikTok and my for you page, knew 270 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: I was trans before I did. It was it was 271 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 3: just that I saw them. The algorithms are too good, 272 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: and so I started seeing all this non binary representation 273 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: literally on my for you page and I was like, 274 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: oh my god, this is me. This is what I've 275 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: felt my entire life. And so yeah, and then a 276 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: year later, you know, on trans Day Visibility, I told 277 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: the you know, important people in my life and people, 278 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: you know, my partner and training partner and coach at 279 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: the time had started using d them pronouns for me. 280 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 3: But I was like, I think it's time to tell 281 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: the world. And this is something I kind of had 282 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: to come out about, because if you want people to 283 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 3: affirm you and your gender, you have to let them 284 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: know that you use the them pronounce you know. So 285 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: it was kind of, yeah, that was my journey, But 286 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: what was the question defined? But not okay? 287 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: I think, you. 288 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: Know, as a straight SIS woman who actually covers a 289 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: lot of women's sports and actually gets into a lot 290 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: of issues around gender identity and sexuality. The result of 291 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: covering a lot of women's sports where the isms are 292 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: always at play. I just find so many people haven't 293 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: ever read or thought about it, so for them, they 294 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: don't understand well enough to get what you just articulated, 295 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: which is this idea of like, yes, sometimes I wake 296 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: up and I'm a dude's dude and sometimes I wake 297 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: up and I'm a. 298 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: Girl's girl, and it can be both. 299 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: And now we see so many more representations of that, 300 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: and we have the language for it, and that's allowing 301 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: so many people to understand the experiences of others. 302 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: And I think it's sport. 303 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: It's particularly useful because unfortunately we do have these incredibly 304 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: gender binary sets that we are having to fit people into, 305 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: even if they don't feel like they fit in. And 306 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: I think some people are misunderstanding because they don't know enough, 307 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: and some people are being intentionally obtuse or even cruel. 308 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: You got a social media comment after winning at the trials. 309 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: Someone accused you of being quote a mediocre man stealing 310 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: a woman's place on the Olympic team. Your response and 311 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: correction were both perfect and hilarious. But how do you 312 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: explain to folks who don't understand what it means to 313 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: be non binary trans and competing in women's events. 314 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm thinking back to the just the mediocre 315 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: man thing, and I actually wish I would have said 316 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: something like I feel like a mediocre man couldn't even 317 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: run three fifty five. But I'm not giving like a 318 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: lot of credit, like for men are. 319 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: Not winning the Olympic trials. 320 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: Come on, Yeah, exactly, but no, it's it's exactly like 321 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: you said, like some people are being ignorant on purpose, 322 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: and some people genuinely just have never heard what, don't 323 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: know what non binary means or and so yeah, I 324 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: do feel like I want to take my platform like 325 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: at times to educate. And I feel like the really 326 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: beautiful thing that's happened within the past three years is 327 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: that people have started to do it for me, like 328 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: you know, on my Instagram or whatever, Like someone will 329 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: be a comment like that's a dude or whatever it is, 330 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: and then you'll see at least five responses just from 331 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: my following or you know people who who yeah, like 332 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: are like, get out of here. You don't even know 333 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: what you're talking about, like he was a signed female birth. 334 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: Like people do it for me now, which I think 335 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: is really beautiful. And but yeah, no, they're always I 336 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 3: think there's always opportunities to like educate, and like obviously 337 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: there's people who are just like assholes and ignorant and 338 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: like I'm maybe never gonna change their hearts and minds, 339 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: but like the people that I don't know. I got 340 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: a really beautiful message the other day from someone who 341 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: was like, you know, my liberal grandpa was watching the 342 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: trials and I was like cheering for you and using 343 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: day them pronouns, and he was like like, why are 344 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: you using that? Like what do you mean they like 345 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: there's only one person, And she was like it was 346 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: a really beautiful moment where I got to like educate 347 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: him and he was like, oh, that's really cool, Like 348 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: I didn't know that, and like so just things like that, 349 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: I just really like fill my heart and like it's 350 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: not just this one. Like if you don't get it, 351 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: get out. I don't want to ever create that space. 352 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: I think in order to create change, you kind of 353 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: have to find those people in the middle and and 354 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: do your best to educate, and then if they don't 355 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: want to know, it's like okay, well then I don't care. 356 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I did my best. I tried. Yeah, 357 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: my friend. 358 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: Chris moser Is is a transman in men's events and 359 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: talks a lot about how he almost has the privilege 360 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: of people not caring because they don't think that athletes 361 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: like him exist, and they also somehow think, well, he's 362 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: at a disadvantage being you know, assigned female at birth 363 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: and competing in the men's events. You also get some 364 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: accusations of abusing some sort of privilege of identifying as 365 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: trans and non binary but competing against women. 366 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 2: How do you respond to that? 367 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: It's usually not being said in good faith or curiosity, 368 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: but more so in a way to sort of continue 369 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: to demonize trans athletes. 370 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just I know 371 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: my truth and like that's enough for me. Sometimes, Like 372 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: I know that i'm you know, I'm not taking any HRT, 373 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: Like I'm not on hormone replacement therapy, Like I'm not 374 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 3: on testosterone. Like I know that I'm doing it fair 375 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 3: and I'm or whatever, I'm following the rules, like whatever 376 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 3: you want to call it. And I I don't know, 377 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: I think that's enough for me. It's like, and also 378 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: I've nothing that anyone can say is anything that is 379 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 3: nothing's new. I've heard it all. I've seen it all. 380 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 3: Nothing's gonna catch me by surprise anymore. And like, yeah, 381 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 3: I also just think that I'm like I just have 382 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 3: a really good sports system around me, like my partner, 383 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 3: my coaches, my training partners, like my therapists, like my family, 384 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: Like I just have such a like it's a pretty 385 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: small team, but it's like my people, and like I 386 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 3: know that, Like nothing's going to penetrate that. 387 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 388 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, does I answer your question? 389 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, honestly, you're damned if you do, damned 390 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: if you don't. So, like, if you're trying to please 391 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: everybody or fix the opinions of people that you don't 392 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: even know that aren't saying them with you know, good intent, 393 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: you'll spend a lot of time, you know, trying to 394 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: talk to people that don't deserve any energy your time. 395 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: I want to talk personal best because the Olympic Trials 396 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: is a really good time to have one, and you 397 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: have had many of them of late. In fact, if 398 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: you go back to twenty twenty one, you finished last 399 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: in the fifteen hundred meters at the US Olympic Trials, 400 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: and since then you've won two indoor and two outdoor 401 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: US National Championships in the fifteen hundred meter in silver 402 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: at Indoor Worlds to what do you attribute that kind 403 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: of progress? 404 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 3: Oh, Man, I mean, I think I changed a lot. 405 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: After the last trials, I kind of looked at my 406 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: life and my situation. I was like, I think it's 407 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: time to make change, you know, and so I moved. 408 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 3: I was living in San Diego and now I live 409 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: in flag Cut, Arizona, which is up at seven thousand 410 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: feet of elevation, and you know, I got a new 411 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: coach and he's he's amazing. And then I also changed sponsors, 412 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: like I was with Adidas and now I'm with lou Lemon. 413 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: Like I just changed so much in my life, and 414 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 3: so it's kind of hard to like pinpoint exactly what 415 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 3: it was that, you know, helped this success. But I 416 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: think kind of just what we were talking about, I'm 417 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 3: really really confident in who I am because I came 418 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: out and because you know, at the start, it was 419 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 3: really rocky, and you know that whole twenty twenty one 420 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: season I was I don't think I was used to 421 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 3: getting that much backlash and it did definitely affect me 422 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: on the track. But now, like I've done a lot 423 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: of personal growth, and not just that, I think the 424 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 3: whole track community as a whole has done incredible growth. 425 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: Like Carri Goucher, you know, an NBC broadcaster, has done 426 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: a phenomenal job of just keep getting better at like 427 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: like sometimes she messed up in the beginning, and but 428 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: she just like kept trying and like kept getting it right, 429 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: and now she's flawless. And that's kind of the new 430 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: standard now that all the other broadcasters are trying to 431 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: rise to. And then it's you know, it's media outlets 432 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: like city Smag is a big you know, media space 433 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: in the track and field world. And those guys are 434 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: my friends, and you know, they always get my pronouns right. 435 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 3: And whenever there's comments or people like you know, being 436 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: ignorant and stupid, they you know, start a conversation with them. 437 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: They're like, no, we're gonna get Nicky's pronouns right. And 438 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 3: Nicky's not binary and that's okay and it's not weird. 439 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 3: And it's it's like people I think constantly are trying 440 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 3: to other trans people. But I I've and because of 441 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: the people around me, like I'm kind of impossible to 442 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: be othered like I'm here and people get my pronouns right, 443 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: it's not weird, and you're actually weird if you get 444 00:20:59,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: it wrong. 445 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: You know, oh kind of right. 446 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: And there's such a freedom then of running as your 447 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: true self. And it's amazing how much limiting what people 448 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: can see of us, or not being authentic to ourselves 449 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: can affect even you know, the physical and the racing. 450 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: The fifteen I was a heptathlete. 451 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: The eight hundred was already way. 452 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: Too far for me to run, and I can't even 453 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: imagine races like the fifteen hundred where you actually have 454 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: time to really think and strategize. So I'm wondering down 455 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: the stretch, what is your brain doing? Like at the 456 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: end of the eight hundred, I was just like, don't die, 457 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: don't die, don't die. 458 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: Everything hurts, this sucks. 459 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: What are you doing to summon up the last bit 460 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: of strength and energy and speed that you have down 461 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: the stretch? 462 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 3: Oh? Man? Well, running can be a very emotional sport, 463 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: as you know, and so I actually think the emotion 464 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 3: can sometimes it can help you just as much as 465 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: it can hurt you. So I try to really just 466 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 3: focus and be in the moment and not let myself 467 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 3: think about like, oh my god, this straights determines if 468 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: you're an Olympian or not. Like that's just too. 469 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: Strong, so I can't even come there. 470 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: And one of the last things my coach or what 471 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: we were kind of talking about leading into the trials 472 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: was like, don't try to make an Olympic team, try 473 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: to win a race. And that was like my goal 474 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: going in and so because I think it really helped 475 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: me kind of approach it as like this literally is 476 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: just another race. And but with that being said, I 477 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: do have a really strong finishing kick, and so a 478 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: lot of the time something I do is I find 479 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 3: something really emotional to think about, and I tell myself, like, 480 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: you're not allowed to think about that until one hundred 481 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: meters to go, and as soon as one hundred years 482 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 3: ago you can think about that. So I told myself 483 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: in this race it was like, think of all the 484 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 3: love and support and representation of your community, think about 485 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: like your childhood dream of being an Olympian, and like, 486 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 3: as soon as you hit one hundred to go, you 487 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: can like let that fill you and bring you home. 488 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 3: And like, it's just crazy because I've never had that 489 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 3: explosive of a kick off of that fast of a pace, 490 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: and I really think it was some like cosmic energy 491 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: or force of like love and support from around the world, 492 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: like pushing me home, and it was I mean everyone 493 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: I've talked to that watched that is like I literally 494 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: cried when you took like like it was an emotional experience, 495 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: and I think we all kind of felt it, including me, 496 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think that's that's kind of how 497 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 3: I kind of bottle up the emotions until I like 498 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: really need them. 499 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: That's really awesome. 500 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: I also believe a lot in like neuroplasticity and training 501 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: your brain using repetition to be in the position that 502 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: you were at the end and. 503 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: Be able to like know you can do it. 504 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: And I know you've posted on social media some of 505 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: the mental work that you've done, like notes you've written 506 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: to yourself. I feel like people really underestimate how much 507 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: we're training ourselves in advance of a situation to be 508 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: ready for it and take advantage. How did you develop 509 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: that sort of skill set and figure out that those 510 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: kind of mental notes were useful for you? 511 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really this year was the main goal of 512 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: mine to prioritize my mental health and you know, I've 513 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: just I've watched the Olympics my whole life, and you talk, 514 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: I feel like within more recently, like the past few Olympics, 515 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: you just see a ton of athletes like Simone Biles 516 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: or Michael Phelps, Like like I came home from the 517 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: Olympics and I was like the way to the world 518 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: and it was like I was not okay, And I 519 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well, I know this is a big year. 520 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 3: I know I'm capable of doing this, Like I just 521 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 3: it's not going to hurt me to like prioritize this 522 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 3: part of my life. And so yeah, I started going 523 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 3: to seeing a sports psych weekly and that I started 524 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: that in December, so it's only been about seven months. 525 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: But that's super helpful to just once a week talk 526 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 3: to someone about my fears and and you know, things 527 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 3: I want to work on. And then yeah, I think 528 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 3: I journal a ton and meditate. I think it was 529 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: just I know that this event and this sport, and 530 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 3: honestly any sport at the Olympic level, that when I'm 531 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: standing on the start line, like the eleven other people 532 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: I'm racing, we're all very fit. Like we can all 533 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: run sub four, we can all, and so what's going 534 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: to set us apart or in like the race is 535 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 3: like who who can believe in themselves more? Who can 536 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 3: like mentally be calm and like you know, not get 537 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 3: in their own way? And so I just really wanted 538 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 3: to prioritize that, and so it's it's been a really 539 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: fun journey of seeing what I can unlock just by 540 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 3: like doing the little things every single day. 541 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: Gosh. 542 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: I love the spokespeople for mental health going into this Olympics, 543 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: like you and Simone talking about it the way you 544 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: are is just it's going to help a lot of people, 545 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: I think, and that continuing to break down that stigma 546 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: of addressing those things and how meaningful and important it 547 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: can be. 548 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 2: What are you most excited about about Paris? 549 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm I'm just excited to take it all in. 550 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 3: Like I opening ceremonies is really exciting to me. I 551 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: think I want to be like a spectator, Like I'd 552 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: love to go to I don't know, a soccer game 553 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 3: or the gymnastics or swimming. Yeah, I think just being 554 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 3: in the athlete village is awesome. I'm excited for all 555 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 3: of it. 556 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: I got to catch that beach volleyball right under the 557 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower. That looks like that set up that's absolutely insane. 558 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: You did an interview with Runners World last year and 559 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: actually talked about the idea of going to the Olympics, 560 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: and you said, quote, going to the Olympics is such 561 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: a dream of mine, But it's all also such a 562 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: dream of mine to take testosterone, or grow facial hair 563 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: or have top surgery. And so I think sometimes I 564 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: can really resent this sport. How are you reconciling those 565 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: feelings with the dream that you're now getting to achieve 566 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: by going to Paris. 567 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's just like a great 568 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: example of like both things can exist at once. You 569 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: can be really happy and really sad. 570 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 571 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 3: One of my favorite movies ever is Inside Out, and 572 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 3: it's just like kind of that message throughout it. And 573 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 3: I think kind of how I've reframed it or thought 574 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 3: about in my mind is I'm chasing one goal right now, 575 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: and that's to be the best athlete I can be 576 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 3: and represent my country and my community the best I 577 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 3: possibly can, and you know, set American records and win 578 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: some medals, like all goals that I have. But I 579 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 3: also have this really beautiful thing that I'm looking forward to, 580 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: like after my career is over, and I'm I think 581 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: a lot of times athletes you ask them, what, yeah, 582 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: what are you going to be when you retire? Like 583 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: what's the next chapter look like? And I have no 584 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: idea career wise what I want to do, you know, 585 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: like who knows? But I do know who I am 586 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 3: and I do know the gender affirming steps I want 587 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 3: to take, and that's that's really exciting for me to 588 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: know that, like, yeah, I can have both goals, just 589 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: maybe not at the same time. 590 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: That's fascinating because we do. We talk to athletes so 591 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: much about the loss of identity that they feel when 592 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: their athletic career ends, and in some ways you're gonna 593 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: be gaining one. 594 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: That's really totally wow. Yeah, an awesome thing to look 595 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: forward to. 596 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: You were on a panel at our espnW summit last 597 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: fall that was probably my favorite of the summit with 598 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: er fight Master and Leisia Clarendon, both of whom I'm 599 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: obsessed with, and I just love the entire conversation you had. 600 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: People can find it online on YouTube on ESPN if 601 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: they search for the summit in your name. 602 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: But I was really moved by this quote that you paraphrased. 603 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: If you're born into a world in which you don't fit, 604 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: that means you were made to build a new one. 605 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering how the building is going. 606 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 2: Oh, great question. 607 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a journey, like it's it's hard, it's it's 608 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 3: I think there is like an asterisk to all that. 609 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I crossed the finish line, and 610 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 3: I'm so excited in that moment, is like one of 611 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 3: the happiest I've ever been. And then there's this like 612 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: I go on social media and there's just like, of 613 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: course there's outpourting of love and support, but there's also like, 614 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 3: I don't know, this like cloud of like you're a man, 615 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 3: or you like you're a cheat or whatever it is 616 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: that it's just like, ugh, I hate that, Like, you know, 617 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 3: there's just like this, there is difficult parts in moments, 618 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: but I don't know. I was just at the s 619 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 3: p's and I don Staley gave an incredible speech and 620 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: she was basically talking about how in order to be 621 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 3: an incredible athlete, so much of your life you had 622 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: to go right. You know, you had to have good coaches. 623 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: You had to never fail a class or have a 624 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 3: career ending injury, right, Like, all the stars essentially had 625 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: to align for you to be sitting in this room. 626 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: I just like I literally felt she was like talking. 627 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: Directly to me. 628 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: I was like like nodding my head, you know. And 629 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: then she's like and because of that, like this you 630 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: live in a extraordinary life, and like with that comes 631 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 3: an extraordinary responsibility. And it's it's just something like my 632 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: mom has said, my whole life is like with great 633 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: power comes great responsibility. And like, so how you all 634 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 3: these stars have aligned, You've arrived, How are you now 635 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 3: going to use it? Like you are so privileged? Like, 636 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 3: how are you now going to like use it to 637 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: stand up for what's right to make the world better? 638 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 3: And that was just kind of all the motivation I 639 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: needed to hear, like right before heading to Paris, is 640 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: like I am so lucky and privileged, and I'm like, 641 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: I'm trans and I'm in this community, but I'm like 642 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: one of the most digestible forms of a transperson, right, 643 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: Like I'm white, I'm non binary. Like I don't know, 644 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: I think there's just this I do. I feel like 645 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: I have this opportunity and responsibility to continue to like 646 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: be seen like why would I not? How could I? 647 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: Now? You know? Yeah? 648 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: Sure, Sometimes there's it's hard and it's exhausting, and it's like, oh, 649 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: why can't I just be a runner? 650 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: Like why do I? 651 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: But like, I think it's worth it because in the end, 652 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: I know that I'm making space. For sure, I'm the first, 653 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: but I'm not the last, Like there's there's gonna be 654 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 3: tons of people that come after me. 655 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: I think it's not just the power of your accomplishments, 656 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: but the power of who you are, and you seem 657 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: like someone built for it. And those who can take 658 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: on that extraordinary burden of being a first or of 659 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: helping lead others into their truth like the that's that's 660 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: a power that almost can't be denied or turned away from. 661 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: It feels like it's it's almost necessary to use it. 662 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: And you are, which is fricking awesome. We're so excited 663 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: to watch you race. We're gonna be incredibly nervous, but 664 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: we're going to power through all of us. All the 665 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: good game listeners are going to be giving you all 666 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: that energy you talked about, just like throwing it across 667 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: the pond towards France and all the best luck to you. 668 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna need it. 669 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Nikki for joining us. 670 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: We got to take another break, but when we come back, 671 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: we turn this thing into a family affair. Keep it 672 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: locked right here. You're back, Oh my god, so are 673 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: we fun? Don't forget that. We'd love to hear from you. 674 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: Guest suggestions, thoughts about the show, really, whatever's. 675 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: On your mind. 676 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: Shoot us an email good game at wondermedianetwork dot com, 677 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: or leave us a voicemail at eight seven two two 678 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: oh four fifty seventy like this guy did. 679 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 3: Hey, this is Wit. 680 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm calling from Indianapolis and yeah, I was fishing. 681 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: For a podcast last night, and props to your marketing department, 682 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: I stumbled across this one. 683 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: Love you, Sarah, have a great day and have a 684 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: great show. 685 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 1: So I'm scrolling through your voicemails and listening to all 686 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: your lovely voices. 687 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: And bam, that was my cousin, Wit. What a nice surprise. 688 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: Thanks for the love, cuz. 689 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: And actually that brings us to our good game play 690 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: of the day, because we love that you're listening, but 691 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: we want you to get in the game every day too, 692 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: so your mission, should you choose to accept it, leave 693 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: us a voicemail sharing one of your favorite memories of 694 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: watching the Olympics as a kid. Could be watching with family, 695 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: could be a memorable moment like Brian Boytano versus Brian Orser, 696 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: Carrie Strug's memorable vault, maybe Alison Felix dominating the track. 697 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: Or it could be getting inspired to play a sport 698 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: of your own after watching someone in the games. Whatever 699 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: it is, give us a call eight seven two two 700 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: o four fifty seventy. Keep it quick, maybe we'll play 701 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: it on the show. 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