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Speaker 1: at Sisterhoodheels dot com. When it comes to music, Summer

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three has given us everything and more. From

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Speaker 1: Janelle Monet ushering us into the Age of Pleasure, to

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Speaker 1: Beyonce giving us life with her Renaissance tour, and let's

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Speaker 1: not forget I Spice taking us to Bobby Land. The

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Speaker 1: question of song of the Summer has never been more complicated.

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Speaker 1: Joining me this week to chat all about summer's major

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Speaker 1: music moments is returning guest Danielle Smith. Danielle is the

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Speaker 1: author of the acclaimed Shine Bright, a very personal history

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Speaker 1: of Black women in pop, and creator and host of

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Speaker 1: the Spotify original podcast, Black Girls Songbook. Residing in California,

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Speaker 1: Danielle is also a contributing writer to The New York

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Speaker 1: Times magazine. Today, Danielle shares what makes a good summer song,

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Speaker 1: the healing power of summer music, and her favorite releases

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Speaker 1: for Blackgirls dot Com. Here's our conversation. So good to

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Speaker 1: see you again, Danielle.

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Speaker 2: It's good to see you too. Look at you. What

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Speaker 2: about those glasses?

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Speaker 1: I know right, they helped me to see very well

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Speaker 1: and they're cute, very fashionable. So the last time we

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Speaker 1: had you here on the podcast, you were talking about

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Speaker 1: your then newly released books Shine Bright. So tell me

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Speaker 1: what has changed for you since the book and what

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Speaker 1: kinds of reaction did you get related to the book.

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Speaker 3: I honestly could not have hoped for a better reaction,

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Speaker 3: the amount of support, the amount of feedback, the amount

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Speaker 3: of love, frankly from people who were glad that the

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Speaker 3: sort of untold stories of black women in music were

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Speaker 3: being told in detail, beyond them just being the first

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Speaker 3: this or the first that that was spectacular. There is

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Speaker 3: a huge memoir piece in my book that was very

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Speaker 3: emotional for me. I had a tempestuous childhood. So when

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Speaker 3: I was on the road with the book, some folks

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Speaker 3: would just really come up to me and say, yes,

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Speaker 3: I really did appreciate what you said about Diana Ross

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Speaker 3: or I really appreciate what you said about Marilyn McCoo.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate the stories that you told about Whitney Houston.

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Speaker 3: But I also appreciate the story you told about yourself

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Speaker 3: the strength that has been giving me over the last year.

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Speaker 3: It's been it's just been fortifying. I feel super I

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Speaker 1: I love that, and I love that you have gotten

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm glad that you enjoyed. It just brings me

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Speaker 3: So it has been fantastic. I'm so happy you asked me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So we brought you back this week, Danielle,

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Speaker 1: What is your definition of summer music. Is it just

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Speaker 3: Let me just say for me, it's not really a

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Speaker 3: on June fifteenth and then by July nineteenth it's just.

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Speaker 2: The most amazing summer song of the world.

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Speaker 3: In some cases, like maybe this summer we had Barbie World,

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Speaker 3: which to me is a supreme, supreme, supreme summer song.

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Speaker 3: But no, it doesn't have to come out in the summer.

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Speaker 3: It has to evoke a certain free spiritedness, a certain

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Speaker 2: This is for the sun to touch my skin. I

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Speaker 3: So oftentimes, to me, a summer song makes you feel

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Speaker 3: to me, that mood of summer that makes a summer song.

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Speaker 1: So you said that you feel like Barbiewell was a

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Speaker 3: Okay, So even though I just said it doesn't have

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Where's my glowy lotion?

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Speaker 1: Love it, Love it, Yeah, I mean, And of course

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Speaker 3: It really was, and it's so great. Also, just miss

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Speaker 3: NICKI Minaj are Queen of rap. You know, sometimes it's

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Speaker 3: spies just come together like in this it's almost a

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Speaker 3: To see that partnership, it does my heart just a

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Speaker 1: Love it, Love it. So is there a particular song

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Speaker 3: What's that Roy Ayir song Everybody Loves the Sunshine?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, remember Mary J. Blige sampled it for my life everybody.

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Speaker 3: So that song, it's always credited as it should be

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Speaker 3: to Roy Ayers, he's the brilliant musician that created the record,

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Speaker 3: but the vocals are by a woman named Debbie Darby.

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Speaker 2: My life, My life, My life, my life. Don't let

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Speaker 2: me get to sing it. But let's not do that

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Speaker 2: because we're gonna be in a winter song moment with that.

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Speaker 3: There's something about that Roy Airs Debbie Derby moment, My

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Speaker 3: life in the Sunshine. I lived in Brooklyn for a

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Speaker 3: it's something about that energy.

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Speaker 2: And I think then tied to the Mary J.

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Speaker 3: Blig song, It's just gonna always remind me of New

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Speaker 3: you're missing like the people, the food, the parks, the

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Speaker 3: There's always a street fair in Brooklyn. It's not a

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Speaker 3: So you can always go begetting some dried apricots, you

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Speaker 1: I love it. That's a good one. So you mentioned

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Speaker 1: of your favorite songs that have sampled another song.

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Speaker 3: musically between generations. But I think that hip hop actually

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Speaker 3: get salty, like maybe between Will Smith and DJ Jazzy

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Speaker 3: Jeff and Corn the Gang, who they sampled for their

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Speaker 3: cuge summer hit Summertime.

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Speaker 1: Come On.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know how much we love Will Smith? Come On?

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Speaker 2: Come On?

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Speaker 3: That is like the Black Summertime national anthem. First of all,

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Speaker 3: Will's in perfect form. He's in perfect form vocally, the

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Speaker 3: video is perfection. And the way I was just talking

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Speaker 3: about Brooklyn, that's the way Will is speaking about Philly.

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Speaker 3: We all love that song and we all love the music.

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Speaker 2: But the music is.

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Speaker 3: A huge sample from Cool in the Gang, who have

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Speaker 3: a song called Summer Madness. In Will's version, there's like, again,

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Speaker 3: don't get me to mimicking sounds, but there's this long

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Speaker 2: That's cool in the game.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great example. Are there others

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Speaker 2: Well? I like anything that samples. Frankie Beverly amazed.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny because Frankie Beverly and Mays they do

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Speaker 2: They're a group where they feel like, basically, y'all need

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Speaker 3: We're fine over here, Like you need to do something

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Speaker 3: Diana Ross, I'm coming out and more Money and More Problems,

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Speaker 3: I think songs about California, songs about the American West.

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Speaker 3: I always say that there's a lot of math in music,

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Speaker 3: People are vibing off of each other, and man, those

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Speaker 2: You can hear them.

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Speaker 1: I mean clearly, clearly. I feel like that has been

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Speaker 3: I hope she's loving and enjoying her summer really deeply.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite favorites, though, is Summertime from Elephis

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Speaker 3: way social media allows us to participate in each other's

438
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: joy to get Ready with Me videos of people listen

439
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 3: to me with get Ready for Me videos for a

440
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: Renaissance night, Why are people going all the way out?

441
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: Like there's this one red outfit that Beyonce has worn,

442
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: you know how she loves like a leotard, but it's

443
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: a long sleeve leotard and she's gonna give you a

444
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: good guarter belt and a boot and all of this.

445
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: This one woman I was watching, she is a seamstress.

446
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: She is a tailor, a designer. She created that outfit

447
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: for herself, and let me tell you the stuff that

448
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: she was using.

449
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: I was like, girl, I don't know how that's gonna

450
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: hold together.

451
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: I feel you, but girl, wear some under it, because

452
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what's gonna pop out. When she put

453
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: that on one, it all held together. But when she

454
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: put that on the joy of her looking at herself

455
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: and her work in her mirror and sharing that with.

456
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: All of us.

457
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 3: Girl listen, I was like, Beyonce's doing work when she's

458
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: not even working, because oh my god, everybody with their

459
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: aerodesse and cowboy hats. Many people making them themselves, even

460
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 3: if they're not professionals with a needle and thread. Like

461
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: one woman I saw was like, I'm going to renaissance.

462
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: I'm not spending all this money though I'm doing advantage.

463
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: I'm doing all vintage, and I'm doing it like from

464
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 3: this one store, so I'm not driving all over town

465
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: the way she came out looking, I'm like, I should

466
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: have gotten more dressed up.

467
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: I saw her in London.

468
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: I guess I was at the top of the summer

469
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 3: and I didn't know really how deep we all needed

470
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: that until I saw folks dancing at floor level at

471
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: the concert in London. I had my fancy seats on

472
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: the riser. But at a certain point it's not good

473
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: enough to be fancy or renaissance.

474
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: You got to go floor. You got to go to

475
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: the floor.

476
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: And when we did, and I was actually able to

477
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: dance with folks, see up close people's signs, see up

478
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: close people taping each other with their phones. It was

479
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: an upside down kind of joy. It really was. And

480
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: then when Blue came, we're not even discussing Blues summer

481
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 3: of really becoming herself. You know we all have that

482
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: summer too. Yes, yes, we have it at summer camp.

483
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: We have it at vacation Bible School, we have it

484
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: down south at our auntie's house where we're staying for

485
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: the summer. We have it at band camp. Blue just

486
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: happens to be having on hers on the Renaissance choir

487
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: with her where if you look at her from the

488
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: beginning of the tour, she was tentative, just letting the

489
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: choreography begin to live in her just figuring out what

490
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 3: she looks the most cute in, just figuring out the

491
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: way she's going.

492
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: To communicate with the audience.

493
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: And when your parents are jay Z and Beyonce, it

494
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: does get in your blood, but you still have to

495
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: figure out who you are.

496
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: And then to see.

497
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: Her now, first of all, she looks two winches hollid,

498
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: and she looked at the top of the summer. But

499
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: oftentimes that happens to us. She's so confident. Now she's

500
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: all the way to sassy. Now, yeah she is, am

501
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: I wrong?

502
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 1: No? No, you are not you and not She's very

503
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: much living the choreography at this point.

504
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: Yes, it's in her now, it's in her DNA. And

505
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: just to see the way she's just beaming. Yeah, And

506
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna say that's hard work. She's learning

507
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: that too, to come out on stage every night and

508
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: do that, even just for the beats that she's out there, Right,

509
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: she still has to go through hair and makeup, costume, rehearsals, meetings,

510
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: all of those things. It's the ultimate summer job, right,

511
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: And I think, right, it is all right, And I

512
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: just feel that we're blessed to witness it and as

513
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: private as they can be too with their kids.

514
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: I think it's very intentional that they're allowing you.

515
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: Imagine if you're a note year old black girl right now.

516
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: Yes, those are my other favorite TikTok videos of seeing

517
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: moms bring their kids to Renaiss songs and they're so

518
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: excited to see Blue.

519
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: It isn't the best listen if I was nine her

520
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: tune right now? Would you ever forget? No? No? That

521
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: may be the real summertime jam. Right there is Miss Blue.

522
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: Yes, in the Ivy League as they're calling it, it's

523
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: a summer being blue, right, but we're blue the summer blue.

524
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: So there was so many incredible songs of the summer

525
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: during your time at Vibe. So you were there from

526
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: ninety four to ninety nine, So let me just list

527
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: off some of the summer songs. So we had Janet

528
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: Jackson with Any Time, Any Place, Aliyah Back and Forth.

529
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: We had TLC Waterfalls, Mariah Carey, Always Be My Baby,

530
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: Monica and Brandy The Boy Is Mine, and Destiny Chow Bills,

531
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Bill's Bills. Are there any behind the scenes stories or

532
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: moments that you can remember and share from any of

533
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: those songs of the summer.

534
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if I know behind the scenes of

535
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 3: the actual songs, but I do know what it was

536
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: like being in New York at that time when those

537
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: songs were out and hot, and a particular one that

538
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: I remember, it's not on your list, but it was

539
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: Buster rhymes, put your hands on my eyes can see.

540
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 2: Okay, let me tell you something.

541
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: And Buster's on tour right now, and I know I

542
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: haven't seen it, but I know he's turning it out

543
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: every night. He's such a friend, he's such a legend.

544
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: But the first time I heard that song, I don't

545
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: even think I was a vibey. I might have still

546
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: been in Billboard. There was a record release party for

547
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: a Boye to Men, And if you've ever been to

548
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: New York, you know what Chelsea Piers is. That's on

549
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: the west side of New York. And the party was

550
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: supposed to be as parties will be on the yacht

551
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: that was docked in Chelsea Piers.

552
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: So here I am.

553
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: I'm going and it's a very snooty industry party. It's

554
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: looking like in my storm. The yacht was supposed to

555
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: take us up and down the Hudson River. Then they

556
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: announced we're not going to take the boat out because

557
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: of inclement weather. In might rain, it might be too windy,

558
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: so we're just going to stay in the dot. The

559
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: DJ and it was Kick Capri. He said, I have

560
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: a new record, though I don't know if you all

561
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: have parted. First of all, this is a boys to

562
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: men party. It isn't even like a party where everybody.

563
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't even a jodasy party. Like. It was a

564
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: very bougie, you know, a linen jacket, it's swaying in

565
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: the wind type of boys and been party. He played

566
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: put your hands where my eyes could see, and I

567
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 3: think at first we were like, is this a real record?

568
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't that good. I'm not gonna say the

569
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: sun came back out, but in my memory, the sun

570
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: came back out and listen, folks were taking off their shoes.

571
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: He must have played that song. Every time I tell

572
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: the story, it is a different number. He either played

573
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: that song four times, eight times, or fifteen times in

574
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: a row. I don't remember at this point. But what

575
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: I do remember is that I was literally wet with

576
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: sweat from dancing. This is name work party. It's not

577
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: the type of party that people even dance at there

578
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: wasn't a proper dance floor magic like New York even

579
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: at that time, I think, and maybe I felt this

580
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: way too, because I was a country mouse from Oakland,

581
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: California moving to the big city. But those kinds of moments,

582
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: to me, are the behind the scenes moments that matter

583
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: the most to me, even more than the times that

584
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: I've been in the studio, because it's it's one thing

585
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: to see people creating, and that's magic and it's a

586
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: gift in my life and it's a privilege. But I'm

587
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: not really participating except for as a witness when you

588
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 3: hear it with other people, like we're talking about with

589
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: the Renaissance shows and stuff, and you can't help us say,

590
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: I'm taking my shoes off because I can't dance comfortably enough.

591
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna dance and dance and dance. And I don't

592
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: even know you, ma'am or sir. All of a sudden,

593
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: we are skipping to my lou together and the sun

594
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: is out, it might rain, the wind is blowing, it's summertime. Like, oh,

595
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: so that's my best behind the scenes. I mean, I

596
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: remember when waterfalls came out. I remember all those moments

597
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: Janet Jackson, Anytime, anyplace. All of those were amazing moments.

598
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: But what I really remember about those, even more than

599
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: working those records as a journalist or an editor, is

600
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: when I had the chance to participate and shake my

601
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 3: own group thing.

602
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: And I am not.

603
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: That girl that is a good dancer. Let me tell

604
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 3: you something. When music can make me forget that listen,

605
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: then that's my song.

606
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: And right very much summer music vibes, then.

607
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: That's my song.

608
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 3: If you make me forget any awkwardness that I might

609
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: feel about myself or my body or how I move

610
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: or any of those things, that's when something becomes well,

611
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: that's my song, because that's what it's doing for me.

612
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break. So you started

613
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: off pretty early in this conversation talking about how Barbie

614
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: World was a quintessential summer or song. What else about

615
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: music this summer has been special for you? What do

616
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: you think has been special about this summer's music lineup?

617
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: It's this other song? What is her name? Gucci? Gucci?

618
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: What what it is? Yes?

619
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, wait a minute, Okay, I am too

620
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: much in these Instagram streets. If that song soundtracks one

621
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: more real. I'm gonna have to fight everybody. But it's

622
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: so good though, And then I didn't realize until just

623
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: this morning, when I was preparing for our conversation, I

624
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: was like, why would love this song so much? I mean, obviously,

625
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: Ducie has an amazing voice, has such a sweet, little

626
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: confident lilt to it or something like. I love it.

627
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: But I'm like, but what else is it about this record?

628
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: And I said him, who produced?

629
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: Who wrote? Who produced? So why is it? Somebody name

630
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: J White did it? And the thing is, you know

631
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: what else? He produced?

632
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: Bodak Yellow and I like It from Cardi b Oh wow,

633
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: both of those songs are what diamond singles. Mister White

634
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: has a little bit of a hot hand right now,

635
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: doesn't he clearly?

636
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: And then he.

637
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: Also produced the Savage remix for Megan Beyonce. Oh so,

638
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: wait a minute. This is a sweet creative partnership. And

639
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: now I think that it's going to be way beyond

640
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: just a great summer song because this person has these

641
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: diamond credentials and if they work this out right, we

642
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: could still be jamming this song three four years from now,

643
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: like it's new.

644
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: So I love that. What are the other ones? That

645
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: I'm loving mine, Oh you know what I love.

646
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: And I can't believe I'm saying it because she has

647
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: acted a fool on so many occasions. I'm covering my

648
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: eyes because I don't even want to look you in

649
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: my eyes right now when I say this, it's that

650
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: damn Miley cyrus and that I can I can give

651
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: myself flower.

652
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: Listen.

653
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: It is catchy, isn't it.

654
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: Though.

655
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: I am passing the flowers at Trader Joe's, like, I

656
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: can give myself some flowers, like seriously, like, and I'm like,

657
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: she goes too far, but she says she can hold

658
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: her own hand or something like.

659
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: Girl, you said I stepped too far. I don't want

660
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: to hold my own hand now.

661
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: But there is something so powerful about I can get

662
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: my own flowers for myself. And I'm a straight girl.

663
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: I love getting flowers from my man. It's wonderful.

664
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: But it's not everything. It's not everything.

665
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: And to hear it said so clearly, and because it's

666
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: the hook the title of the song, you can't hide

667
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: from it.

668
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: You don't have to look for it.

669
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a beautiful sentiment for my Honestly, it's

670
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: a beautiful sentiment it's so strong and beautiful at the

671
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: same time. That's a summer summer song right there. That's

672
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: a skipping down the street song right there.

673
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

674
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: Like it's almost as good as what's my other one,

675
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm Walking on Sunshine.

676
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 2: Y'all can hate on me if you want to. Here's

677
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: the thing, I don't care.

678
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: Do We girls have our own individual versions of what

679
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: feels like somewhere.

680
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: Right I'm walking on Sunshine and it shot feels up. Girl.

681
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: Listen if I look, this is the therapy for Michael Show.

682
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: I've made no secret about the fact that I am

683
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: a depressive, like I'm always dealing with that, and I'm

684
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: happy to be able to even say that right now

685
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: with a smile on my face, because I used to

686
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: not be able to. But sometimes music, and I think

687
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: sometimes that's why it's been such a partner to me

688
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: in my life.

689
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: When I hear a song like.

690
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: Walking on Sunshine, it does something to the chemistry in

691
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: my body, It does something to my mood. I'm not

692
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: saying it's medicinal. I'm not saying it takes the place

693
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: of therapy, but I'm saying it will function for me

694
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: as such a boost, though it will function for me

695
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: as such a like I'm going through it. I'm going

696
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: through it. I'm going through it, but this is helping

697
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: me get through it. And that's whether it's something as

698
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: joyous as I'm Walking on Sunshine or Hot Girl Summer.

699
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: But sometimes we need a little in my life, my life,

700
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: mym you know, and that helps as well.

701
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm gonna list of some other summer projects

702
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts. What about Sexy rids Hood, how

703
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: this princiss o Why?

704
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 3: Yes?

705
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: Okay, And that's my whole answer right there. Also why

706
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: she's that cute ooh, I love them.

707
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: So somebody else who I think is also really tapping

708
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: into the heart of R and B right now is

709
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: Victoria Monique with Jaguard too.

710
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about her. Okay.

711
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: First of all, the music again, we go back to

712
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: what we were talking about, conversations between generations. She's so

713
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: clearly influenced by the music of the seventies and early

714
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 3: eighties that if you were actually there, I was a kid,

715
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: but still it pulls you in regardless of your age,

716
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: because you can find an entry point like you can

717
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: find it, and then if you're like with her age wise,

718
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: you don't have to have heard that music from back then, you.

719
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: Don't have to know who the emotions are.

720
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: You can just be into it for what she's doing

721
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: because it does belong completely to her. Still, I did

722
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: a panel at one point, moderated a panel of black

723
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: women creators, and she was on the panel. And the

724
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: way her human energy, the way she presents in person,

725
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: is so chill and calming. It was giving shade, to

726
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: be honest, Wow, it was giving sophisticated.

727
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: It was a little bit giving. Y'all are lucky you

728
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: have time for this.

729
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not mad at that because she has songs

730
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: to write and things to do.

731
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: But I say all that.

732
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: To say I love the songs, but I also just

733
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: love very much right now, the idea of her.

734
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: I love black women making rhythm and blues.

735
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: I love black women who understand what pop actually means.

736
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: That it doesn't necessarily mean that something has to sound

737
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: like a pop song. It means you just going for

738
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: the biggest and the most. I hear that ambition in

739
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: her music, you know. So she's out of here, So

740
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: see her now before the tickets are a geopop because

741
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: they will be so she's that girl.

742
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: Agreed, Yes, agreed. Okay. What about Janelle Monee's The Age

743
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: of Pleasure.

744
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: Let me tell you about her, Okay.

745
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: Janelle Monee is an alien like the Voice the Chops.

746
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: As an actor, I will never forget her portraying that

747
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: scientist in Hidden Figures, the way she was able to

748
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: capture the joy of her partner in that film, giving

749
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: her those pencils to support her work and the efforts

750
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: that she was making. She didn't go like crazy, like

751
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 3: a cheerleader or anything like that. It was just this

752
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: quiet inner joy of like this person sees me. And

753
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: I've been in the presence of Jenne Monee and I

754
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: feel like that's her energy in real life. I feel

755
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: like she sees us. I hear it in her music.

756
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: I see it in her work in Hollywood. I see

757
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: in the way she runs her business called Wonderland, her

758
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: creative collective. In the dancing in the Clothes, We've seen

759
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: the evolution from the discipline of I will only wear

760
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: black and white. I will only wear black and white

761
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: because I'm not even here to have the surface of me.

762
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm not here for that even to be discussed.

763
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be black and white, and then we've

764
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: seen how she's moved all the way over then to

765
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 3: so much color and so much big design to them

766
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: like and also, I'm free with my body.

767
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: Now you all won't see my body.

768
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: Y'all can see it because it's all that so again,

769
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 3: like maybe it's just all the girls whose last name

770
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: is gonnaame.

771
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: They're having a moment on it being having a.

772
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: Whole moment completely they are.

773
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: They are okay one more so, what about fly on

774
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: a boss?

775
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: If you wish all the way over my head? No

776
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: idea what you're talking about.

777
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: So these are the two little sisters on teach.

778
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: Oh you're about them?

779
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: No, I love them girls just to know their name,

780
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 3: not hello Christ, I'm about to sitity.

781
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god, girl.

782
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: They're invited to any girl they can come by right

783
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 3: now for breakfast.

784
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Those girls? And then now they

785
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: have to deal with the WNBA.

786
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: I use this word a lot of times when I

787
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: speak about black women's work because we don't get the

788
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: credit for it. The amount of planning and discipline and

789
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 3: execution that I see in everything that they're doing it

790
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: is brilliant.

791
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: It is the commitment. This is the commitment too.

792
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: You know how many people probably have told them, Okay,

793
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: you guys have done that, so you guys can try

794
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: something else.

795
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: No, we're doing this. We're doing this till it all

796
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: the way kills over and dies.

797
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: We are doing this. People love this also, you can

798
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: see by the way they are running down the street

799
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: like bulls. I love to see it. The joy and

800
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: the strength get of my way, my way also in

801
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: the black community, to have the nerve to be saying, hello, Christ,

802
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: you know something.

803
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Somebody's grandma was mad.

804
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm about to sin again. Listen the way

805
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: I love them. And it feels so.

806
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: I could be totally wrong about this. I do not know.

807
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: It feels so lifted from the first line of a

808
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 3: journal injury, because honey, I think we've all written those

809
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: two sentences at the top of a journal entry with

810
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: different words, whether it's greetings Jesus, whether it's a lah,

811
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: whether it's hello Universe, whether it's I'm about to f

812
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: up again, whether it's why am I doing this again?

813
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: That sentiment of I'm trying and at the same time

814
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: I don't care. It is so free to be lifted

815
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: from the journal, to be lifted from the interior to

816
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: being the exterior and to be executed with all that physicality.

817
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: Listen to me, I'm so mad I didn't know who

818
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: they were. And please leave that in there because I'm

819
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: dead wrong.

820
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. I know that song, though

821
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: you do. I know that song and I live for it.

822
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay. So this may be a hard question.

823
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: So what would you say, definitively is your song of

824
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: the Summer for twenty twenty three.

825
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't released in the summer, but people are playing

826
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: it like it was and it's kill Bill From says.

827
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: I, Oh, I'm still that Okay.

828
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: I'm so mature. I'm so mature. I wrote about her

829
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: for the New York Times magazine. I visited her at

830
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: her home in Malibu. To get there, unless you know

831
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: a secret way that I don't know, you have to

832
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: ride up Pacific Coast Highway.

833
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: It's literally named.

834
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: Always as one of the most beautiful highways in the

835
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: entire world. And to me, that song just evokes just that,

836
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 3: driving up Pacifico's Highway with the top down, having done

837
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 3: something that you probably shouldn't have and you're a little

838
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: bit chastising yourself, but you're all the way enjoying yourself.

839
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: There's something about Scissor's voice two in general, but particularly

840
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 3: in this song, in her songwriting that's just kind of fearless.

841
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: I could see how that song could be written and

842
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: it could not be say, chosen for the album that

843
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: it sounds maybe a little goofy, a little unfinished, little

844
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: rough around the edges. And that's just why it is

845
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 3: such a summer song.

846
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: It's just free. It's just free.

847
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: It's another one, and it's so great for black women's

848
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: singers right now, that the things that we struggle with

849
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: the most, things that again we just commit to our girlfriends,

850
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: maybe over brunch or in our group chats or in

851
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 3: our journals, whether you're typing them or writing them down.

852
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: These feelings that people feel like, well, do black women

853
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: even feel that way?

854
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: Y'all are so strong. Y'all just get it, y'all get

855
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: things done.

856
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: You guys, just manage situations are coming from our partners.

857
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: Well, you don't need me because you've got this. Sure.

858
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: It's all true, and it's a lot. It's a lot.

859
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: So to see these innermost feelings coming out that aren't

860
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 3: even necessarily about the other, right, but about a black

861
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 3: woman's own self and own heart. Those are the songs

862
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: that I'm responding to. Whether it's as we just mentioned,

863
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: Hello Christ, I'm about to sin again, or whether it's like,

864
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 3: you know, you just keep somebody's car, honey, not that

865
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: I know anything about that, and you've got away with it, and.

866
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: You know you're wrong, you know you're wrong.

867
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm so mature, You're being sarcastic with yourself.

868
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like, I was mad, though,

869
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: and you did do that to me. And I'm not

870
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: saying it's writer or it's okay to quote Whitney Houston,

871
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: but what is okay it's for black women to be

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Speaker 3: saying how they feel about themselves. So often we're singing

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Speaker 3: about I miss you so much, I'm gonna love you forever,

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Speaker 3: I'm want to jump on the midnight train to Georgia,

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Speaker 3: come back to me child, anytime, anyplace. And all these

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Speaker 3: are beautiful songs. I could listen to them in a

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Speaker 3: row right now, be happy for the rest of the day.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes what's missing is us singing about how we

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Speaker 3: feel about ourselves.

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Speaker 2: And it's happening now.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of the energy of rap and

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Speaker 3: and B in black pop.

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Speaker 2: That I'm talking about me, what's going on with me?

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Speaker 3: Good, bad or otherwise mature or immature, and it's delicious,

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Speaker 3: it's heartening.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's a beautiful answer. So Danyelle will

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Speaker 1: remind the community where we can stay connected with you.

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Speaker 1: It is your website as well as any social media

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Speaker 1: channels you want to share.

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Speaker 2: I am Danielle Smith and that is spelled d A

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Speaker 2: and y E L. Smith.

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Speaker 3: You can find me at what remains of Twitter. You

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Speaker 3: can find me on Facebook, but I'm there rarely. If

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Speaker 3: you really want to find me, come on over to Instagram,

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Speaker 3: come on over to threads, come on over to spill,

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Speaker 3: come on over to Spoutable. I'm there either as Danamo

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Speaker 3: Da n A m O, which is my high school

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Speaker 3: nickname Danamo because I was such a little Dynamo if

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Speaker 3: you can imagine, and you can also find me. Just

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Speaker 3: google Danielle Smith and shine Bright and you will find

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Speaker 3: the thing that I'm most proud of, which is my book,

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Speaker 3: Shine Bright, which is a very personal history of black

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Speaker 3: women in pop music. It was named by Pitchwork as

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Speaker 3: the music book of twenty twenty two, and it's the

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Speaker 3: nearest and dearest thing to my heart. And if you

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Speaker 3: want to hear my voice talking so much mess as

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Speaker 3: I'm talking here with Doctor Joy, you can also just

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Speaker 3: go to Spotify search Black Girl's Songbook and you can

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Speaker 3: hear my podcast where I'm always telling stories about black

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Speaker 3: women in music and also about myself as a black

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Speaker 3: woman in music, as the former editor in chief of

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Speaker 3: Vibe and Billboard and all the many things that I've done.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we will be sure to include all of that

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. Thank you so much for spending

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Speaker 1: more time with us today. Always talk so fun. I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad Danielle was able to join us once again

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Speaker 1: to share her expertise. To learn more about her and

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Speaker 1: her work, or to grab your copy of Shine Bright,

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Speaker 1: visit the show notes at Therapy for Blackgirls dot Com

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Speaker 1: slash Session three twenty three, and don't forget to text

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Speaker 1: two of your girls right now and encourage them to

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Speaker 1: check out the episode. If you're looking for a therapist

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Speaker 1: in your area, check out our therapist directory at Therapy

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Speaker 1: for Blackgirls dot Com slash directory. And if you want

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Speaker 1: in the Sister Circle. It's our cozy corner of the

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Speaker 1: Internet designed just for black women. You can join us

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Speaker 1: at Community dot Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. This episode

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Speaker 1: was produced by Frida Lucas, Elise Ellis, and Zaria Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Editing was done by Dennison Bradford. Thank y'all so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me again this week. I look forward to

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Speaker 1: continuing this conversation with you all real soon. Take good care.

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