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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're going to tackle this subject I

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Speaker 1: know just a little bit about and by a little

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Speaker 1: definitely enjoyed it um at duck hunting. I've only been

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Speaker 1: pretty much makes me as far from an expert as

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Speaker 1: you can get. But today's guest is my good friend Alex.

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Speaker 1: You're just from Pacific Calls. He spent a bunch of

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Speaker 1: time with the birds and it has even more knowledge,

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Speaker 1: I would say, regarding the ducks and duck calls. So

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show, Alex. Hey, thanks Jake, glad to

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Speaker 1: be here. How things been besides busy, you know, just busy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, because we talk every now

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Speaker 1: cold weather and do all that. So we've had some

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Speaker 1: very interesting days as of late. Yeah, for all of

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Speaker 1: you that don't know, Alex Um as co owner of

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Speaker 1: Pacific Calls UM. They do a lot of work with

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Speaker 1: us for us UM Over the last i'd say five years,

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Speaker 1: five or six years we've we've worked together. We've grown together.

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Speaker 1: It's it's been awesome. Um, but I know when to

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Speaker 1: wave the white flag and bring in some duck hunting experts,

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Speaker 1: some duck call experts. So I'm I'm glad to have

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Speaker 1: him here. Um. Yeah. In talking with the local duck

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Speaker 1: though it feels like they should be here. I'm guessing there,

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Speaker 1: from a calendar standpoint, that's usually about right for us too.

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Speaker 1: are you know most of the migration you know passed

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Speaker 1: of these podcasts, we're gonna start with two questions from users.

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Speaker 1: And um. The funny thing is, I'm not a prolific

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Speaker 1: for some of these questions on some of our past posts.

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Speaker 1: But if you have a question of your own, UM

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Speaker 1: for cutting the distance and my guests, please email us

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Speaker 1: at ct D at Phelps game Calls dot com, or

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Speaker 1: That is, that is an operator contest to prove that

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Speaker 1: does have you know, it does have birds in it,

428
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,280
Speaker 1: and so the scouting is absolutely huge. We spend more

429
00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,440
Speaker 1: time scouting than we do hunting. We'll check a field

430
00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,159
Speaker 1: to three four days in advance of a hunt. If

431
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 1: we find something, we'll usually watch it build for a day. Um.

432
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,240
Speaker 1: You know, we spend more time looking through the binos

433
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,720
Speaker 1: than we do actually out in the field. Pull the

434
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,280
Speaker 1: trigger now it A lot of our stuff is indeed,

435
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, field hun thing. Um you know, you're you're

436
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 1: patterning birds and doing things a little different. Whereas like

437
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,480
Speaker 1: potholes are you know, a public waterway, it's more about

438
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 1: whether or not there's just birds in the general area.

439
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,040
Speaker 1: And then you have to try to find a way

440
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 1: to um, you know, meet the meet the criteria that

441
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,239
Speaker 1: you want and so um to answer to the other

442
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 1: side of the question blind location, things like that. A

443
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,880
Speaker 1: lot of the times in a public hunting scenario, you're

444
00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,479
Speaker 1: just kind of stuck with what you're given. And so

445
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,439
Speaker 1: even if the wind is not perfect, the sun is

446
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,440
Speaker 1: not perfect, you've got to try to find a way

447
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: to make it work for you. UM. For myself, I

448
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,679
Speaker 1: always try to make sure that the wind is coming,

449
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 1: you know, over my back, um, and that way the

450
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 1: birds are forced more to land with the wind and

451
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 1: coming into me for an easier, easier shot. And that's

452
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 1: really where the wind direction comes in for big game.

453
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 1: I know you want the wind kind of going the

454
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 1: other way, so the animal doesn't you know, smell you

455
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 1: or like take off of you. Like you said, I

456
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 1: don't think the birds can smell me. I think there's

457
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 1: research on whether they can smell or not. But you know,

458
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 1: for for me, I'm more worried about if the wind's

459
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 1: going this way, the bird is more likely to follow

460
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 1: this fly path, and so I'll try to set up

461
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,880
Speaker 1: my blind to shoot a certain way based on the wind,

462
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 1: and then also set my decoys and spread based upon

463
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 1: that wind. And then you know, as the hunt progresses,

464
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 1: you you may have to adjust that and to get

465
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: them to all to line up perfectly. Where you got

466
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: the sun at your back, the wind at your back,

467
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 1: your decoys in the right spot, and birds in the area.

468
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,199
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's that you gotta count your buy a

469
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: lot of ticket that day. Yeah, and you you alluded

470
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 1: to one thing which was kind of surprising. Um, we

471
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: went over there and we spent the entire first day scouting.

472
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just assumed duck hunters go sit on

473
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,120
Speaker 1: the water somewhere and you start quacking on a call

474
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 1: and they're eventually gonna, you know, show up to you.

475
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: So we we spent the morning lasting where the ducks

476
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: wanted to be, Like where are we seeing the most

477
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 1: amount of duck sitting on the water. UM. Gathered all

478
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 1: that information and then we were hunting from a boat

479
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 1: to get to these locations. Went around on the boat,

480
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: and then we drove the boat. You know, we we

481
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: used on X. We we knew what corner it was

482
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: on your potholes. It's kind of crazycause there's water everywhere

483
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 1: and you don't know which turns which or what corners

484
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: which corner. So we we all confirm and then we

485
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: drive the boat out there, UM through that section of water,

486
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: UM looking for where are we going to set up where?

487
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: You know, do we have natural cover? Do we need

488
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: to bring in and make a blind? Like where can

489
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: we park the boat? Um? All of this stuff starts

490
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: the matter, and we we got to a spot where

491
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 1: we figured we had enough uh you know, natural cover.

492
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: We had a pretty a pretty good probably a thirty

493
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: or forty ft rise across from us, so the birds

494
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: that were flying on the water didn't see are set

495
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: up until they were there, So it's kind of just

496
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: naturally they were gonna fly by there anyways. Um. And

497
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: then we had pretty good open water behind us on

498
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: the on the big water, so we could let our

499
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: calls ring, and so you know, some of these things

500
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: added up and it was you know, I think we

501
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: had limited out by by midday, and so it was

502
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 1: a good hunt. But I started to notice like it

503
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: was more about that spot because potholes, public land, lots

504
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: of people hunting it, you know, near the holidays, and

505
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and maybe a you know, good callers

506
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: or too many good callers, but you would just see

507
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: birds flying over and the call didn't really seem to

508
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: do anything. It was just there were because you would

509
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: you could hear the guys, you know, the next blind over.

510
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: They would see the birds slightly after we did, and

511
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: then they would start there they're they're calling sequence and

512
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: then the guy's pass them would see and it was

513
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like all right, in

514
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: my opinion, and maybe maybe it's a skewed opinion based

515
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: on on the situation we were given, But man, you

516
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: just want to be where those ducks want to be

517
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: and you know, blow on the call, get them to

518
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: recognize your spread, and then that's really what matters, not

519
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: necessarily you know, how good you can call, how loud

520
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 1: you can call, any of that stuff. Those birds were

521
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: going to where they wanted to be. Anyways, Yeah, correct,

522
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, it does depend on the

523
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: situation and where you're at. I mean, obviously the battle

524
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: is just being where you know, where the birds want

525
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: to be. After that, now we're starting to get into

526
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: the subtleties. Are they responding to the call or they

527
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: not do even need to call, or they just drop

528
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: in right in Like it sort of depends where you're at.

529
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: We also, you don't hunt situations where we call it

530
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: running traffick, where you're you know, putting yourself in a

531
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: flyway where they're they're flying over the top of you.

532
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: You know, they're going somewhere else and you're just making

533
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: as much noise and trying to be as crazy as possible.

534
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: Are gonna be like, oh wait, no, the party's over here,

535
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: it's not over there, and then they you know, line

536
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: line up and run you. So depending upon the situation

537
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: that you're in. Sometimes the calling works, sometimes it doesn't.

538
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, in in a place like potholes, and those

539
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: birds here, every person from every side of the state

540
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: blowing at them from every corner there. You know, I

541
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: think my philosophy on potholes for a while was like,

542
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: if I just leave my calls in the boat, I'm

543
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: probably gonna be more successful because everybody else already call

544
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: at them. Yeah, and on that one, not knowing like

545
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, whether we sit here all day or whether

546
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: we move. We kept seeing all these birds hit water

547
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: probably a half mile kind of back to us, to

548
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: the right, and then no gunshots. And we're like, we

549
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: know that there's a million hunters on the water, there

550
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: just must not be hunters on that and so we

551
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: use that information. We went and took a half mile

552
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: three quarters three quarters of a mile hike through the

553
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: bridge USh and went and found where all these birds

554
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: were landing. And then you know, adjusted are set up

555
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: for the next day. Um, you know, just just to

556
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: be where those birds wanted to be. Um. You know,

557
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: obviously you're getting bumped out of all the spots with

558
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: all the blinds and everybody else hunting. Um, So yeah,

559
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: it was just I think, you know, all hunting in general,

560
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: whether it's a big game, whether it's predator, like just

561
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: being a smart hunter and realizing, like, let's not force

562
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: the issue on the on the spot or the exit

563
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: we're hunting like they obviously want to be over there.

564
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: Let's let's move our set up the next day that evening,

565
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, um, and go to the ducks

566
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: and not make the ducks come to us well, and

567
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean public duck hunting, that's always the mantra. You know,

568
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: no matter what you do, you have to be able

569
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: to pivot and be flexible and you know, move when

570
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: something's not working, something's not going your way. You want

571
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: to try to salvage the hunt as much as possible.

572
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you know, make a switch, pull

573
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: the decoys, move something, go find a different spot. And

574
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: you know also have the same wherewithal one you're gonna

575
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: get up one day and go give it a shot

576
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: and everything looks great, but it's just not your day. Yea, yep. Um,

577
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: So we we were just hunting all day until we

578
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: hit limits. If you had to pick, you know, do

579
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: you prefer a morning and evening or do you just

580
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 1: are you on that same all day hunt until your

581
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: limit or or do you just say I'm gonna hunt

582
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: from eight to twelve, like is there a better time, um,

583
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: you know in your mind to be out there on

584
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: the water or you know on some in some places

585
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: like Washington were somewhat spoiled where they don't have a

586
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: lot of regulations as far as whether you can hunt

587
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: the evening only hunt, the morning only hunt until a

588
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: certain time. There are other states where you can only

589
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: be in refugees from X amount of time to you know,

590
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: ten thirty to eleven to something like that. And there's

591
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: some states that even regulate that. So you know, for

592
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: us around here, if you're gonna take the day and

593
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: go enjoy it, we typically find a way to spend

594
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: most of the day. Um. But it does depend on

595
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: you know, weather conditions, what what you know, what we're seeing,

596
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, how how things are looking. Because you know,

597
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: if I had a choice, I actually enjoy hunting the

598
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: afternoons more than anything else. Almost the rat race of

599
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: like everybody's racing each other to the boat ramp. The

600
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: craziness is you know gone, and so you're able to

601
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: kind of sneak in on the end and you know

602
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: have maybe not as successful of a shoot, but it's

603
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: a little more relaxed. You don't have to get up

604
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: at you know, one am to get down to potholes

605
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: in time by three to be on the water. You

606
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: set your decoys legally by four and then hold down

607
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: your spot you know, all day. And it's like, man

608
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: at an extra twelve hours to this just to to

609
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: go duck hunting. I'd rather just wait till the afternoon,

610
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: get their roll in and you know, be happy. So

611
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm definitely a I call it it like a fair

612
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: weather you know side of side of duck hunting on

613
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: that one. But you know, my my most successful hunts

614
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: that I can remember, they involved, you know, especially on

615
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: public that that grind, sleeping in the truck at midnight,

616
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, getting on it and just you know going crazy.

617
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm getting old enough now where I appreciate

618
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: sleep more than I do duck meat. So yeah, yeah, yeah,

619
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: So that was a good segue in you'd mentioned I

620
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: called yourself a fair weather duck hunter. Um, you know,

621
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: we we talked about time of day. Do you have

622
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: a preference, you know, do you We saw at least

623
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: on potholes, like a little bit of wind was good,

624
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, still seem to be. They didn't like to

625
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: fly as much one that when it got still there

626
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: in the potholes. Do you have a preference? Do you

627
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: want to rainy, nasty raining sideways? Do you want to

628
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, clear and you know high pressure? Like, what's

629
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: what's the kind of it? For me? When the most

630
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: successful times that the Yeah, the most successful times that

631
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: I've had, you know, out hunting are the ones that

632
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: I remember is the best? Weren't the ones where I

633
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: was you know, soaking freaking wet by eight am and

634
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: it was just miserable, And yeah, sure it's you know,

635
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: everybody's got this like Norman Rockwell idea of you know,

636
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: quintessential duck hunting where it's just pissing cats and dogs

637
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: and the ladies looking over at the guy like what

638
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: the hell are we doing out here? Um? You know,

639
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: for me, clear and cold is has always been, you know,

640
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: a better, a better way for me to hunt. I

641
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: I like hunting on um. You know, some people like

642
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: blue bird days so to speak, but like when the

643
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: sun's out, bird identification is a hell of a lot

644
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: easier for myself in my own opinion, I think the

645
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: sun helps create some shadows that can also help hide

646
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: me better, especially if I have the sun in the

647
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: correct location. It can also like show my face and

648
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: everything a lot better if it's not in the right spot.

649
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: So it is, you know, a bit of a catch

650
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: twenty two. But for myself personally, my favorite way to

651
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: hunt is absolutely you know, Christine, clear and cold, and

652
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: I do like at least maybe like a five to

653
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: seven mile an hour sustained wind just so there's a

654
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: little bit of ripple on the water and it gives

655
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, the spread some direction. It just kind of

656
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: helps set a little bit of an edge on the hunt. Yeah,

657
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: and you know my location, I'm a I'm thirty minutes

658
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: away from the Pacific Ocean harbors, you know, Gray's Harbor,

659
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: Willipa Harbor, And I think that's one of the biggest,

660
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: like one of the reasons I absolutely never wanted to go, Honey.

661
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I got asked all the way from high school and

662
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: you want to go you know, combined goose duck hunt,

663
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like no. And the reason why is they

664
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't go unless the wind was bowing forty mile an

665
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: hour and the rain was hit in the side of

666
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: the face. That made the good good waterfall. You know,

667
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: hunting weather around here, and that sounds like zero fund

668
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: to go up, you know, go set up your decoys,

669
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: go set everything up in the dark, sit there and

670
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: get soaked and freeze that. You know, So I I'd

671
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: always looked at that, but you know, we went, we

672
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: went over to the east side and you know, similar

673
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: to your mentioning, you know, blue bird days with a

674
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: little bit of wind, and it was pretty enjoyable. You

675
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: stayed warm, and uh, I could get used to that

676
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: a whole lot quicker than I could, you know, getting

677
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: poured on out on the coast. Well, I mean, you know,

678
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I've been on I've been on

679
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: hunts that are that same way, where it's it's just

680
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: miserable and you know, there's nothing flying. And you know,

681
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, if we only had some weather,

682
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, and you're like, you can you can point

683
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: your finger at one way or another, you know what

684
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: what worked, what didn't. And I mean there's been a

685
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: couple of them that have been on, like in Kansas

686
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: or some of the others where it's exactly the situation

687
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about I was in California one time and

688
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: not a joke. We it was when the Auraville damn

689
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: was gonna was gonna flood and we were down there

690
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: in the floodplain. It was raining. I think it rained

691
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: two and a half inches in four hours. Like it

692
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: was just absolutely nuts. But same thing, fifty five winds

693
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: and I think we shot a hundred and forty five

694
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: snows and specs in our group. But it was the

695
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: most miserable day I've ever been out hunting. But man,

696
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: we got some shooting in it was it was cool.

697
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: So I just I just didn't like literally ringing out

698
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: my underwear before I got in the truck, like this

699
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: is this is dumb. I might as well have gone staying. Yeah. Yeah,

700
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: the duck hunting was great. That the enjoyment factor was

701
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: was pretty low. It sounds like on on one of

702
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: those yep, exactly. Now we're gonna kind of jump into

703
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: the calls. Um, I'm gonna have you on the spot,

704
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: give us kind of a five minute, quick and dirty

705
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: version on the history of duck calls. You know, from

706
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: where they started kind of where we're at today. And

707
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: some people might be surprised at the history of duck calls. Yeah,

708
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in in all, honestly, a lot

709
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: of most of the like duck calling. If you were

710
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: looking up as far as when the first patent was filed,

711
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: I believe it was in the late eighteen hundreds. But

712
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, duck calling as we know it now, really

713
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: duck calls and duck calling so to speak, really did

714
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: take off until you know, realistically right after the right

715
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: after the Second World War. I mean, you know, forty

716
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: five you had Chick Majors and a couple of the

717
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: other guys out there. Um, you know ps Olt, he's

718
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: been around for a long time out of Peaking, Illinois.

719
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: I think they were a hundred year old duck call company. Um.

720
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's been a you know, a rich

721
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: history as far as the last hundred to a hundred

722
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: and twenty five years or so really is where you know,

723
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: duck calls and how they progressed have have pretty much

724
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: been at um, you know, fortunately, and where we're at now.

725
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Sure we've gotten some advances as far as things like

726
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: materials you know, and stuff like that, but the technology

727
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: itself as far as you know, whether it's a J

728
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: frame or a real foot or a Louisiana style board.

729
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: All of those terms and designs are still very much

730
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: so in play to day. And so you know, as

731
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: far as what's the newest, latest and greatest thing in

732
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: duck calls, you're you know, you're looking at guys that

733
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: are just tweaking and perfecting and you know, changing the

734
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: performance factor of designs, and you know, uh, and aspects

735
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: that have been around now for you know, a hundred

736
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: plus years got you and and we're gonna we'll touch

737
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: into what goes into designing a call. And one thing

738
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: I want to kind of preface this and you can

739
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong from a duck call standpoint,

740
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: but but what we've realized is whether it's an external

741
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: elk call, whether it's a deer call, whether it's a

742
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: duck call, when you're using what typically is a piece

743
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: of milar that's cut to a shape with a certain

744
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: weight in order to get any of these sounds, it's

745
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: it's basically vibration, oh, a piece of milar, whether it's

746
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: ten mill um, whether it's fourteen mill whether it's a

747
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: short board, what you know, whatever it may be. You know,

748
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: a goose call uses a fourteen mill short read. Um,

749
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: all we're doing is asking this piece of milar to

750
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: vibrate over a a certain radius, a specified radius. Whether

751
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: you know a predator board is going to have a

752
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: tighter you know, I'm gonna throw a number out there

753
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: at two two and a half inch radius, and a

754
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: deer call may have a sit you know, whatever it

755
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: may be, it's longer. Um, we're playing with the weights

756
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: on the reads. But when we go to design these

757
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: type of calls, UM, we're looking at radius. We're looking

758
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: at my lar shape, thickness, We're looking at what the

759
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: tone channel with and depth because that gives us a

760
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: volume of air that can pass under that milar read.

761
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: You're looking at your bars. So UM, kind of walk

762
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: us through that. That's kind of a generality of all

763
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: calls that use a piece of vibrating milar. And it's

764
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: crazy to think, you know, you take what are easy

765
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: estrius or even all the way down to our our

766
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: little young and calf call, we're taking a skinnier, thinner

767
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: piece and changing its length so you get a very

768
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: high frequency buzz, you know, all the way up to hurts.

769
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: So you're able to get those elk tones and then

770
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: you're able to really take a duck or even more.

771
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, like a buck grunt, you're

772
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: able to vibrate that read very very slow, and you're

773
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: really hearing. The oscillation of that read is what's giving

774
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a high pitch, so you're able

775
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: to do the extremes from a butt grunt all the

776
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: way to an elk you know, calf mew um. Why

777
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: we're on duck calls, kind of go go through and

778
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: explain to us, you know how you know, there's a

779
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: little more to duck calls. We do look at it

780
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: on the alt call side, but there's like, you know,

781
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: volume in your barrel, whether you're gonna taper the barrel,

782
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: whether you know, because that's going to affect how much

783
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: the call loads up. You're gonna backboard the barrel, you know,

784
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: affects your volume. So I've kind of spoiled it. I mean, yeah,

785
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: I let's say, man, you answered a lot right off

786
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: the right off to shoot. Good for you, but you've

787
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: been paying attention. No, there's a I mean the simplest

788
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: way to put is pretty much in a duck call

789
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: sphere or even a goose call sphere, everything affects everything,

790
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: whether or not you have the answers to exactly how

791
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: much you need to do to get what you're looking for.

792
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: That's a you know, that's a different subject. And you

793
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: know end user and how people blow things. I mean,

794
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: that's that's really where it's at. But you know, to

795
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: to try to put something to like spin it like

796
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: a basic I would understand it. I typically a tune,

797
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, anything to do with the duck call, very

798
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: similar to like you know, a guitar. The looser that

799
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: you make at sure, the you know, the sloppy or

800
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: the vibration, the more buzz, the more everything that you

801
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: get out of it. And it's the same thing you

802
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: know with a duck call on the radius is that

803
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about. If you put too much slope on it,

804
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like a duck. The reed doesn't vibrate

805
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: fast enough, and you've you know, built up a buck

806
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: grunt or something else. And so you're you're trying to find,

807
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, a way to as you mentioned, take different

808
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: ways of mile, are different lengths, different cuts, different wits

809
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: and apply those within you know, dimensions that make sense

810
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: for the you know, the part that you're making. But yeah, man,

811
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, it's it's it's infinite possibilities

812
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: as far as whether or not you're using you know,

813
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: a quarter inch tone channel, a six millimeter tone channel,

814
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: whether you're you know, going all the way up to

815
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: seventeen sixty fource, and like you can do so much

816
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: different stuff within that sphere that you know, you might

817
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 1: accidentally end up pushing like a J frame design into

818
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: something of like a cutdown design or you know, like

819
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: it it just sort of moves as you know, as

820
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: we do in you know, in the marketplace, and you're

821
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: gonna start you know, pushing boundaries one way or the other.

822
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: And that's how we you know, come up with different

823
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: ideas to make calls operate. Yeah, and uh so I'm

824
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: just gonna kind of throw some terminology out there. Um

825
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, I know what they mean a little bit,

826
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: not to the extent you do. But you know, when

827
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: I was getting into you know, five years ago, and

828
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like, oh, you gotta have a

829
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: duck call in your lineup, and it's like, uh okay,

830
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: Like I understand, as I mentioned earlier, I understand like

831
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: how miler vibrates. I can look at duck call inserts,

832
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, aside from you know, putting one of the

833
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: popular like echo inserts in my first calls to you,

834
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, Alex, I gotta like help me understand this,

835
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: like help me understand the process, um, you know. And

836
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: so we started to walk walk through, you know, and

837
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: so it was like, oh, well, open water versus timber,

838
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: double versus single. Um, I think some of these and

839
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. Some of these names have

840
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: been put on a call just because of maybe the

841
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: way it leans a little bit like oh, it's a

842
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: louder call, like it's more of an open water call

843
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: versus like, oh it's a quieter call. It's gonna you know,

844
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: it gets labeled a timber or you know, um kind

845
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: of explain you know, singles versus doubles, open versus timber,

846
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of jump into some other questions

847
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: based off of that. Sure well, I mean, you know,

848
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: like very much so in in the duck call sphere,

849
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: it's like anything else, right, Like if you just go

850
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: to lows and say screw driver, like there's endless possibilities,

851
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: and duck calls definitely fall into you know, that same

852
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: way and so you've got you know, a little bit

853
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: of situational kind of stuff that you want to do

854
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: with duck call and try to match that with what

855
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: that company's you know, marketing as far as like, oh, yes,

856
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: it's an open water call. Well, if you were to

857
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: compare my open water call to say Echoes or somebody else's,

858
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: you could probably find some dissimilarities and some also similarities

859
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: between the two. But the you know, the common nomenclature

860
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: on something like if you were to say an open

861
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: water call typically means that it's got a much more

862
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: open backboard in it, so you can push more air

863
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: through it and create more volume, whereas something in a

864
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: timber style is usually choked down a little bit so

865
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: it's not as loud um, you know. And that's that's

866
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: really where it comes into the situations that you're hunting

867
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: and what tool do you need to do the job?

868
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: You know, where you're where you're at, Because if you're

869
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: on the Columbia River and you're trying to was like,

870
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: for instance, you know, the hive in my lineup is

871
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: my softest running double read. Well, if you're in a

872
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: wide open, you know area and you you're trying to

873
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: produce volume. That's not the call that you want to

874
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: use as far as you know, doing what you want.

875
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: So you know, making sure that you have the right

876
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: call for the right job, you know, is pretty important.

877
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: And you know, I can tell you as a manufacturer

878
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: doing this, a lot of calls do gravitate towards the

879
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: middle because we want to try to find something that

880
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: is a user friendly and be very you know, versatile.

881
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: I know we talked about it, but like these things

882
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily just cheap. You're not gonna go out and

883
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: spend you know, only five dollars and get what you want.

884
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: Most waterfowl calls or upwards of a hundred and twenty

885
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: to a you know, a hundred and forty dollars at

886
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: a whack, And so you want to try to find

887
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: a way to get the most bang for your buck,

888
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: which typically means you're finding something that operates right down

889
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: the center. So you avoid things like a wide open

890
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: water calls or like way to timber re calls unless

891
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: if you know, you need that tool for that job.

892
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: Got you. Um, so it was a new caller going in,

893
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: what would be a recommendation. I know everybody's you know,

894
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: I told people the same thing on the olt call side, like, well,

895
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: just because you're a new color doesn't mean you don't blow.

896
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: Like you know, you've been doing this for thirty years.

897
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: You might blow with a ton of air and a

898
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: ton of effort versus So new color is not always

899
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: the right thing. But what would you recommend a new caller, Like,

900
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: if they're looking at a call, are they looking at

901
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: a double read open water because it's got a are

902
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: are what would you recommend as far as like new color,

903
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: getting into um duck calling so they can gain confidence

904
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: and you know, make duck sounds to get going. You know,

905
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: in in most cases, you know, picking up something that

906
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: is you know, advertised from that manufacturer, as they're all

907
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: around duck call is typically typically a better a better

908
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: solution for you know, a beginning duck hunter. Um. You know,

909
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: I can only speak to you know, kind of what's

910
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: in my lineup and you know how how we do

911
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: things around here. Whereas like you know, materials, price, things

912
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: like that shouldn't necessarily be a big factor, you know

913
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: in your decision. I mean everybody's got you know, a

914
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: budget as far as that goes, and I produce you know,

915
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: polycarb calls that are twenty dollars all the way up

916
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: to you know, fancy wooden acrylic ones that are you know,

917
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: upwards of two more. And so you know, whatever you're

918
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: comfortable within your budget getting is really you know the

919
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: answer of you know what called should you get? Um?

920
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: But in most cases you're gonna find, you know, at

921
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: a a good running single or double read, whichever one

922
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: you know personal preference. And we'll get into that a

923
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: little bit on why you choose one or the other,

924
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: but um, which one's gonna fitch you? What materials that

925
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: you like because those materials are gonna you know, cost

926
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: you less more. Um, you know, whichever way you want

927
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: to go about it. Yeah, and um new color versus

928
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: experience you know you had five years ago we had

929
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: came out with a single and a double read, you know,

930
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: through through you guys training me and me practicing and

931
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: figuring out you like, the single reads typically wider and

932
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, less of a dog ear versus your double

933
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: reads are typically a little skinnier and they've got more

934
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: of a taper on the end. You know, you're we're

935
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: dealing with just trying to get weight off the end

936
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: to get him to tune in um to a duck?

937
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: Is Is it just my own opinion that like experienced

938
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: colors and they don't have to lean into it, but

939
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: like your single reads are typically geared towards your more

940
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: experienced colors are people that have more time with it.

941
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: There's a little more effort, a little more air um required.

942
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Um Is that does that always hold true, that your

943
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: double reads will be a little bit more user friendly

944
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: and your single reads maybe more experience. Is that just

945
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: how the ultimate design kind of comes out. A lot

946
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: of it does come down to ultimate design, But there

947
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: is something to be said, you know, like and when

948
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: you're when you're talking about, you know, whether it's easy

949
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: to use or not. I think there's a little bit

950
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: of a misunderstanding. It's not like if I don't know

951
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: how to present air, if I don't know how to

952
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: control my diaphragm, if I have crappy hands, that I'm

953
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna pick up a double read and all of a sudden,

954
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sound like a duck because it's a

955
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: double read. You still very much so have to focus

956
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: on your fundamentals, you know, making sure you're making proper notes,

957
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, proper mouth mechanics, hand mechanics. All of that

958
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: still is an effect whether it's a single reader double read.

959
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: The forgiveness factor in how you know, a new collar

960
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: may not be able to pressurize and stabilize their air

961
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: the same way that an experienced color would. So out

962
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: of a single read, that one read is going to

963
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: fly X, bend and make those different notes, whereas a

964
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: double read it kind of hides it a little bit.

965
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: And so the forgiveness factor and a double read is

966
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: typically withdraws a new hunter to the double read side

967
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: instead of the single read side. Got you, we're you

968
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: guys are helping us work on a new single read

969
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: that I've been practicing on. I've got it sitting here

970
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: on my desk, and you know it's it's what I

971
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: was sounding good, but you're sounding good. It would be

972
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: like a wide open call. In my opinion, this is

973
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: my own terminology, Like I can, I can hammer on

974
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: that thing. It sounds like a duck. I can. It

975
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: stays there, and I went and grab one of the

976
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 1: double reads that you one of the original double reads,

977
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: and I went to blow on it kind of with

978
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: the same idea. You know, the same pressure and everything

979
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: and it just fell on its face. I'm like, all right,

980
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: you had to retrain yourself like this double read takes

981
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: about half the air to sound, you know. And uh yeah,

982
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: it was just one of those things where it's like,

983
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: well you you're so used to that one that it

984
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: takes you a couple um you know quacks to kind

985
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: of figure out where you need to be and how

986
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: much air and and get it to sound like a

987
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: duck again. Um, so onto that's just you know him

988
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: and that that's practice. Yeah, yeah, you had mentioned a

989
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: little bit on tuning. We were talking, you know, dog ears,

990
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: we were talking shortened reads. Um, you know, I had

991
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: a customer call the other day like, hey, we bought

992
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: two of your calls. One of them sounds awesome, one

993
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: of them is missing a little bit, and I just

994
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: asked them to take pictures of the reads, and you

995
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 1: can tell that one read was quite a bit shorter.

996
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: So we had them pull the cork out readjusted give

997
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: himself a little bit longer read so that he could

998
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: push on the call a little bit more and we

999
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: we got it turned right around. But can you walk

1000
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: us through kind of duck tuning one on one? Just

1001
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: the quick and dirty, What matters? What doesn't I know it?

1002
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: Probably you know it's a little bit different on each

1003
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: tone board, each board, but kind of the overall what

1004
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: matters and what changes for me to read? You know,

1005
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: the basic concept behind you know, tuning a duck call

1006
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: is that you're trying to get it to fit with

1007
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: how you know, your style of your style of calling is.

1008
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: And so the simple I guess way of looking at

1009
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: it is typically the longer the read, the more air

1010
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: it's going to take, and the deeper tone it's going

1011
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: to have. So as you put in a fresh read,

1012
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna start clipping it back and you need to

1013
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: find that happy meeting between the response and the field

1014
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: that you want and the tone that you want. And

1015
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: so it is a very tedious process and it's something

1016
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: that most people get frustrated with because they expect to

1017
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: just you know, throw a read in and it sounds

1018
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: like a duck right away, and it's like now, there's

1019
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: very much so, you know, a finite tuning level. And

1020
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: even in my my own lineup and when we're dealing

1021
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: with you know, customers and trying to make sure that

1022
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: calls fit them and you know, things along those lines,

1023
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: It is very much so a a fit discussion because

1024
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: how how much air I can produce versus how much

1025
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: air you can produce versus you know Trevor or you

1026
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: know Joshmo customer, It's it's all different, and so you

1027
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: have to find a way, you know, to make that

1028
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: thing fit you. And typically, like I said, the longer

1029
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: the read, the deeper the tone, but the more air

1030
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: it's going to take. And so if you feel that

1031
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: you're blowing through the call or like it doesn't have

1032
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: enough back when you technically need a longer read because

1033
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: from a field standpoint, the read is too short. Now

1034
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: from a tone standpoint, if you're trying to change something,

1035
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, and that's where some the dog ear stuff

1036
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: comes in. And the thinner you make that read on

1037
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: the end, the more it will respond in low pressure,

1038
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: but it still has enough backbone with it to hit

1039
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: it higher. So it is very much so a guess

1040
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: and check kind of mentality. And the best part about

1041
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: a duck call is my lars cheap. So by all means,

1042
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, get a read pack from you, from me,

1043
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: from anybody, and just start going nuts because there is

1044
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: no perfect answer. But I think I was telling you

1045
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: the same thing. When you're tuning a duck call, you

1046
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: know less is more, And so with how much you

1047
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: clip and change, you're really after like the width of

1048
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: a sheet of paper as far as adjustments go, and

1049
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: like clip, put it back together, give it a test,

1050
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: run it a little bit, and I don't like how

1051
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: that feels, pull it apart, clip, do it again, and

1052
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: just over and over and over until you get it

1053
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: to exactly where you like it. Yeah, And and my

1054
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: limited experience, one of the things I noticed more with

1055
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: duck calls versus any of my other calls, whether it's

1056
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: Elker predator, is the balance of how much error the

1057
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: call could take or needs or can't take, versus still

1058
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: sound like a duck. And there seems to be like

1059
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: this a crossover point where all right, now the call

1060
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: I can put as much air to it as I want,

1061
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: but I no longer sound like a duck. So it's like,

1062
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: all right, maybe that's a we thing, or maybe that's

1063
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: a link thing, or maybe that's take dog ears out

1064
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: because you need the right weight. And so I found that,

1065
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, duck calls more than any other call is

1066
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: like that balance of air pressure versus you know, maintaining

1067
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: your correct tone that you want out of the call. Yep, Well,

1068
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean there there's a variance factor in duck calls

1069
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: you know as well, that's not necessarily there with you know, ELK,

1070
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: Deer some of the other ones. You know, ducks have

1071
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: a very wide spectrum as far as the sounds, tones, volumes,

1072
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: things that they're able to produce him in a natural environment.

1073
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: And I know there's some variants in ELK as well,

1074
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: but in the call itself, you have a lot more

1075
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: freedom on a duck call to change the reads and

1076
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: do things than you do on let's say, an ELK call,

1077
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: because I mean the width of an ELK read effects

1078
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: function way more than it does in a duck call.

1079
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's there You've got more room

1080
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: to play, you know, in a duck call than you

1081
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: do with you know, ELK or anything else. So by

1082
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: all means, if you've got a call that's not performing

1083
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: right or do anything, swap out the reads and try

1084
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: some different tuning and see if you can make it

1085
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: fit how you how you think it should. Okay, yeah,

1086
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: that's great advice. Um, I'm gonna dive into materials a

1087
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: little bit. Um, you know, we mentioned earlier the history

1088
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: of them. I think one of the things that we've

1089
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: found is time went on, we're using better materials, whether

1090
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: that's acrylic, um, you know, whether we're using you know,

1091
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: high end composites like you know the my cards, um,

1092
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, some of the engineered materials. Um. What do

1093
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 1: you feel that a duck can tell the difference between

1094
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: like a polycarbonate or an acrylic call? Or is it

1095
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: the fact that that call can be handed down for

1096
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: three generations and still probably be fine where you know,

1097
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: the polycarbonate could be squished or give me, give me

1098
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: your rundown on materials and if they matter, um, you know.

1099
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: For for for myself, my my all time favorite favorite

1100
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: kind of call to use is actually a would call.

1101
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: I do believe that, like from a natural tone and

1102
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: sound standpoint, like woods are some of the better calls,

1103
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: but they do have a have a maintenance factor and

1104
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: it's it's very difficult a lot of people to maintain

1105
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: a would call for years and years and years. So

1106
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: from a manufacturing standpoint, an industry standard is acrylic and

1107
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: there's a vanity side of that that goes with it

1108
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: as well, because you can get acrylic in every color

1109
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: of the rainbow. It can be laser engraved, like you

1110
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: can make these things look really cool, you know, out

1111
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: of the out of the acrylic factor. The crylic is

1112
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: actually you know, incredibly dense as well, and so it

1113
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: does a good job of not um not altering the

1114
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: sound that comes out of it. If you're using acrylic call,

1115
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: you're typically very crisp, very clean um, and whatever you're

1116
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: putting into the call is transferred out in the sound

1117
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: that's there, whereas like would del rin some of these

1118
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: softer compounds, they absorb you know a little bit of

1119
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: that sound and vibration, so it alters, you know, it

1120
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: alters your tone. Um polycarbonate things like that. It's you know,

1121
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: it's regarded as a cheap product that actually does make

1122
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: a very solid product as far as function in things,

1123
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: but you know it's it's cheap plastic. It's you know,

1124
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: mass producing, injection molded and you know, talking down on it.

1125
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: But I have my own molds and everything else myself.

1126
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: But it's you know, it's just that it either fits

1127
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: or you don't. And you know, for myself, if I

1128
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: don't have a would call and typically leaning to acrylic

1129
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: and if acrylic is not an option, then del ryn

1130
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: is my next. And then you know, POLYCRB is typically

1131
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: on the end of the spectrum for for myself personally.

1132
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: But I mean I know a lot of guys that

1133
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: still kill a lot of ducks with a d R

1134
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: a D five man and like they you know, works

1135
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: just fine. Yeah, um got you. And one thing I

1136
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: like about materials um acrylic or you know, some of

1137
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: the the engineered materials is I don't get a call

1138
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: from alex on like a Tuesday, but like we have

1139
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: a problem. That batch of O sage that we got

1140
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: is no good. It's you know, you know, so it's

1141
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: that's what I love about them. But it's it's pretty consistent, um,

1142
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, as it's it's cast rod um, you know.

1143
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: And so that's one thing I do like about material

1144
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, uh, an engineered material. But like you said,

1145
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: I love you know a lot of our turkey calls.

1146
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: We can't get around would um. But yeah, it is

1147
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: it is nice to have something consistent, especially you know,

1148
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: well when you see all the processes that these call

1149
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: has got to go through. You know, the barrel goes

1150
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: through the lay, then it goes through polish and then

1151
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: you know, the the inswer of the kid goes through

1152
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: the mill. It's like if something pops on the last stage,

1153
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: Like it's just frustrating. It's like you went through the

1154
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: entire process of building a call and then we lost

1155
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: it at you know, and and the milling and stuff,

1156
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, has a higher likelihood of doing that. And

1157
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: so I don't know from my from a manufacturer standpoint,

1158
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: like sometimes I feel like it's hitting an easy button, Like, yeah,

1159
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little more expensive, but it's going

1160
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: to be consistent and I know we're not gonna have

1161
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: issues with it, So let's go ahead and pick a

1162
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: crylic um. Oh and then I'd have to agree with

1163
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: you on that one. I mean, it's you know, it's

1164
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: it's a it's a man made material. You don't have

1165
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: these these oddities that come out of it. And you know,

1166
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, you're gonna get, you're gonna get would

1167
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: where sometimes it is just trash. There's a nod in it.

1168
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: You know, there's something that was not there. But there's

1169
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: also you know that that little bit of nostalgia nuanced factor,

1170
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: and like every single would call that comes off, they're

1171
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: all different. Yes, they're all the same, but like every

1172
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: one of them is different, where like that's the same

1173
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: from start to finish. Man, there's nothing you're not gonna

1174
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: find this like, oh, this is a really cool piece

1175
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of it. So you know, there's some

1176
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: of that in the surprise factor, like you just don't

1177
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: get from anything else. But you are a dcent correct

1178
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: on the manufacturing side of life, and you know, the

1179
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: the consistent results in every single call over and over

1180
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: and over and repeatability factor. I mean, you know, acrylic

1181
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: is pretty much pretty much where it's at, and that's

1182
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: why it is indeed the industry standard, especially and you

1183
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: know and waterfowl calls. Gotcha, Um, Okay, this is a

1184
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: I could have googled this, but I'm gonna put myself

1185
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: out there and at what is the difference between I

1186
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: cut down versus a meat call? And explain that to me,

1187
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: because you hear it said all the time, but I

1188
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: want to hear your I want to hear your your explanation. Well,

1189
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, for me, I don't know if

1190
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: the if the two things that you're talking about they

1191
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: are actually on the same deal. A cut down is

1192
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: a is a style of call that you know originated

1193
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: from an old old and old ps old and then uh,

1194
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: meat calls so to speak. I guess I think that's

1195
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: actually like a term as far as like a contest goes,

1196
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: Like you have like a main street calling on tests,

1197
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: you have a meat calling contest or a live calling contest,

1198
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: and so the two aren't necessarily one and the same

1199
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: or can be compared, like what one's the style of

1200
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: a call and ones are you know, different calling contests

1201
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: as far as that goes, At least that's how I'm

1202
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm reading that question. So yeah, it was more of

1203
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: I've heard these calls referred to cut down calls or

1204
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: meat calls. Um, so maybe it wasn't. It was phrase

1205
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: the wrong way, But just what the definition because it's

1206
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: like unless I go google it, like I don't know

1207
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: what that means. Well, I mean, you know, a cutdown

1208
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: is indeed, just like if you had to put a

1209
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: very simple, simple way of thinking about it, it's it's

1210
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: like an ultra aggressive style of a J frame. It's

1211
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: got a wide open bore, typically a fourteen mill read

1212
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: and it's designed to you know, really produce harsh, barky

1213
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: sounds down in the Arkansas timber, whereas you know, something

1214
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: that's more like my J frame style calls. They're a

1215
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: little bit softer, neater. They run, you know, a kind

1216
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: of a higher frequency level like you were talking about

1217
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: with some of the some of the elk stuff. So

1218
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: like the cutdown is kind of a style of a call.

1219
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily a type of calling. I guess that's

1220
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: the way to put it. Well, thanks for running us

1221
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: with those calls. In closing, if you had one tip

1222
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: to help, um, you know, duck hunters out there be

1223
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: successful this year, what would it be? Oh man, just

1224
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, try to stay positive because it's it is

1225
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: definitely one of those things you can get spoiled really

1226
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: quick by showing up on a hunt and you know,

1227
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: shoot your seven and be like this is the greatest

1228
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: thing in the world. But you know you're gonna you're

1229
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: gonna have days where you're gonna sit out there and

1230
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: I wonder, why the why the hell you did this?

1231
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: But um, you know, it's it's a long game. Um.

1232
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: The seasons, you know, really long for waterfowl compared to

1233
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: a lot of big game stuff, and so there's there's

1234
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: tons of opportunity and uh, you know, get out, try

1235
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: to enjoy it. It's it's it's a lot of fun

1236
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: and uh and it should stay that way. So, you know,

1237
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: like I said, try to stay positive and have fun

1238
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, that's great advice and uh, I really

1239
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: appreciate having you on today, Alex. Thanks for all your time,

1240
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for uh, you know everything, and good luck out

1241
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: there this year. Absolutely. Man. Well hopefully, Hey we got it.

1242
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: We got a couple of months. You're done hunting the

1243
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: big game stuff, right, the stuff with first Come on, man, Scott,

1244
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: let's go let's go chase. All right, we might might

1245
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: have to do that, all right. Sounds like a point,

1246
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: but m