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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was nasty, right there?

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker Like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 3: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: You know, there really are only two types of people

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Speaker 2: in this world, only two, he said. And a lot

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Speaker 2: of this might have to do with two things. One,

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Speaker 2: a former Cardinals quarterback signing with the division rival forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers who happens to have an aerospace engineering degree.

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Speaker 2: And then what Danny Surrek thought for a hot moment

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Speaker 2: might have been a UFO sighting because Darren urban there

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Speaker 2: are only two types of people, those who believe in

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Speaker 4: Darren, UFOs do not count as aliens on your bingo card.

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Speaker 4: I see you.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't. Oh no, no, there's no way you're reaching.

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Speaker 2: Am I that predictable over here?

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Speaker 4: I just have aliens. I'll out of UFOs next time.

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Speaker 2: That'll know that qualifies because I do believe. I do

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Speaker 2: believe in both.

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Speaker 4: So that I did, Gues. I did see. What I

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Speaker 4: later learned was I guess the SpaceX launch of something,

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Speaker 4: all these cars were pulling over to look at it too,

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Speaker 4: and then I later learned that was what it was.

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Speaker 3: You sound disappointed, No, I mean.

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Speaker 4: I thought it'd be not something cooler, because that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Darren is a long time resident of the AC.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that would be me, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Did you or did you not see the Phoenix Lights

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Speaker 3: I did not see them, but I very much remember

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you ever believe that those were extraterrestrial? Because

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Speaker 2: there was a lot made. There is still a lot

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Speaker 2: made of the Phoenix Lights. In fact, the UFO Congress

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Speaker 2: that would come to the valley every year in Founta

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Speaker 3: Here's my issue with the UFOs and the aliens ball.

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Speaker 4: By now maybe we do.

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Speaker 3: It's all a secret, yes, okay, but again.

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Speaker 4: Came out and say that aliens were real like a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of months and they just put out some of

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what do they just kill everybody that potentially

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Speaker 2: It's a good point.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that always bothers me about conspiracies

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Speaker 2: If an NBA game or NFL game was fixed and

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I thought i'd throw that out there because

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Speaker 2: And he went into like a two minute explanation. At

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Speaker 2: But it was so complicated. It was no, wasn't it?

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Speaker 3: So it was no? And but I mean, the guy

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Speaker 2: And I throw that out there also as a little

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Speaker 2: want to refresher Darren. It's Kirk Cousins with Atlanta, Russell

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Speaker 3: I love it when Paul gets into his purge mode

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Speaker 2: No, it's a And I bring this up because moments

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Speaker 2: leads to a cardinal's trade taking eleven and twenty three.

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Speaker 3: You brought this up in public. I threw it out

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Speaker 2: I threw it out at him because I asked him, now,

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Speaker 2: how often do you run in these minds?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Did he answer that whatsoever? Absolutely not. But he did

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Speaker 2: share a funny anecdote that he was in church with

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Speaker 3: Does a pastor know he's in that church?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm pretty sure okay, And Monty's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: is this really happening at this point? So just imagine

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Speaker 2: being the GM of an NFL team who right now,

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Speaker 2: if you figure the top three are most definitely going

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Speaker 4: All the power, all the leverage.

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Speaker 3: Which we kind of knew. Is it me? And maybe

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Speaker 3: it is just me? It probably is just me. But

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Speaker 3: I feel like, and I don't know if it's because

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Speaker 3: like there's more consternation and debate over what the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'd be on the same page as

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Speaker 4: to know, it does kind of bug me those even

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Speaker 4: though you didn't ask Paul I tried to do a

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Speaker 4: mock draft simulator.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. She was pretty ticked off.

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Speaker 4: And I didn't even do the mock draft.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean, isn't this like the eighteen hundred

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Speaker 2: time you've done that.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing is, I was trying to do

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Speaker 4: my own version of Daniel Jeremiah's trade. And I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna put which draft simulator website I was using on blast.

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Speaker 4: But I tried to do the trade where the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: trade for and then from Minnesota get eleven and twenty three,

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Speaker 4: and Minnesota kept rejecting I trade. They wanted more, and

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Speaker 4: finally I was like, I'm not even doing this train anymore.

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Speaker 3: She was very mad at the fake Minnesota Viking.

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Speaker 4: I was That's why I'm not cut out to be

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Speaker 4: a GM because I'd be like, you know what, I'm done. No,

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Speaker 4: that's your chance.

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Speaker 2: I'm mad because I want more. If I'm the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: in just eleven and twenty three, if we're giving you

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Speaker 4: Bit something for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Cardinals, so to speak, need to wet

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Speaker 2: although this is a pretty good haul right here, Cardinals

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Speaker 2: take Jared Vers at eleven, Brian Thomas Junior, the receiver

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Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to argue with that haul in

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Speaker 2: the first round if that's what it becomes. Did you

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Speaker 2: see Chris Simms. Chris simsk new by the way, Christim's

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Speaker 2: a hot take artist.

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Speaker 3: This time of year, very hot, taky.

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Speaker 2: But yes, Brian Thomas the number two rated receiver on

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not. I will say that it does seem.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're the Cardinals and you went from

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Speaker 2: I believe they got out of that deal I miss

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm saying. I'm talking about last year's deal

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Speaker 3: with the Texans, YEP, in terms of how much they

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's why Minnesota kept rejecting my trade. They wanted

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Speaker 4: me to ask for more. I'll try again tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: That's right. They were mad you weren't asking for more because.

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Speaker 2: You know what, based on last year. You're absolutely right, Darren,

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Speaker 2: based on last year, you have to have insurance. What if. Look,

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Speaker 2: Minnesota has a pretty talented roster. This isn't a reclamation project.

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Speaker 2: Two years ago they won thirteen games. Now they went

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Speaker 2: went to the playoffs. Remember, because we were all in

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Speaker 2: Minnesota for the training camp session and the Vikings I'll

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Speaker 2: just say this, you guys can agree or disagree, and

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Speaker 2: I know you will. Walking around that Vikings complex, which

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Speaker 2: was very nice, but there was sort of a sense

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Speaker 2: of everyone involved with the Vikings a little bit haughty,

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Speaker 2: if you will, right, kind of smelling themselves coming off

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Speaker 4: I just know that I was hot. It was so

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Speaker 3: That was pretty harsh.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we complain about the heat here. Ninety eight

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Speaker 2: with ninety two percent humidity. Death is what that was?

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Speaker 3: All right? Real quick to revisit, the Cardinals last year

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Speaker 3: gave up the third overall pick and a fourth round pick.

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Speaker 3: What they got back was first to twelve, a first

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Speaker 3: this year, so the next year, a second round pick

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Speaker 3: which was the first pick of the second round, and

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Speaker 4: Year, so they could definitely get more than.

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Speaker 3: They definitely should get more. Three they're gonna, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, that wasn't the first pick of the second

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Speaker 2: year was Joey Porter to the dealers.

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Speaker 3: We love each other here on Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: Because you found out the hard way the risk in

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Speaker 3: So technically it should be enough.

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Speaker 2: We need more or else you're out so for everything

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Speaker 2: And by the way, MANI reiterated how he he doesn't

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Speaker 3: I do surmise time for any of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Month, don't you think he said himself he was going

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Speaker 3: Three first round draft picks and.

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Speaker 4: Getting ready for the draft that day.

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Speaker 2: But Danny, your regular season ready. You just did a

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Speaker 4: Right that went in there under the weather too, So

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Speaker 3: Did you hear something at the golf tournament? We need

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Speaker 2: Once again, my key card doesn't get me, never has,

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Speaker 4: I think it just comes down to best player available,

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Speaker 4: is why we're seeing so many mock drafts with wide

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Speaker 2: But if you've got a Brian Thomas in the second

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Speaker 2: he ran a four to three three, he had seventeen

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Speaker 4: That to me is still prioritizing and valuing the wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: Because Thomas is still going in the first round, you'd

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Speaker 3: When you presented the question, my thought was the same

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Speaker 3: like late second round, third round is where they would

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Speaker 3: go get the receiver. If you're getting somebody to me

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm talking. I really was intending the number

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to argue that when you say, well,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about, you know, some guy running

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Speaker 4: And when you're looking at the durability, when you're looking

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Speaker 4: at the offensive line signings, versatility Jonah Williams. I mean

439
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Speaker 4: the fact that we're already having a conversation of possibly

440
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 4: being on the left or right side is honestly a

441
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 4: great discussion because he has that flexibility that he can

442
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 4: go on either side. And I think it's going to

443
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 4: come down to what the coaching staff wants to do

444
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 4: with Paris Johnson Junior, and then you kind of work

445
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 4: your way around there. But I think versatility and durability

446
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 4: were key points in the free agency signings, and also

447
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 4: with the linebackers that was hit pretty big with the

448
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 4: injury bug and bringing in Mac Wilson.

449
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Speaker 3: Paul, were you sad when the defensive lineman Jonah Williams

450
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 3: signed with the Vikings and didn't didn't end up coming

451
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Speaker 3: to the Cardinals, so the Cardinals could have two Jah Williams.

452
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna come clean. I did speak

453
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Speaker 2: that into existence. I said something out loud that I

454
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: hoped would come to fruition, meaning some other team, please

455
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: sign the second Joonah Williams. We don't need to deal

456
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 2: with that all year long, So thankfully JOHNA.

457
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Speaker 4: Williams on Jonah Williams, Yeah, we.

458
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Speaker 2: Did, we did. Just in not just photos.

459
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Speaker 3: Oh chef's kiss.

460
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Speaker 4: What would sorry, I guess the jerseys would just be

461
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Speaker 4: the same because it's different numbers. It wouldn't be like

462
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 4: Jay Williams, that'd be the same.

463
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Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't read Williams. It was a great pause.

464
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Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a great question.

465
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Speaker 4: Then again, help, Yes, it's not our worry anymore.

466
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Speaker 2: For those of us who have to deal with the

467
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Speaker 2: rosters in the preseason. There's a lot of pre you know,

468
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: a lot of teams in the preseason they have two

469
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: number twenty ones on offense and defense, and then that

470
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: gets crazy on special teams. Which one is it? And yeah, so.

471
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 4: So Madia support was just looking out for us.

472
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Speaker 2: So the Cardinals got Jonah Williams, who was a former

473
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: eleventh pick overall in the twenty nineteen draft, the left

474
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Speaker 2: tackle who, like DJ Humprees, didn't play a single game

475
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 2: of his rookie year. This was due to injury. Then

476
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: he started three years of left tackle, played last year

477
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: every game at right tackle, and he has five games

478
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: with the playoff experience. But he actually graded out better

479
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: at right tackle then he had the previous year at

480
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: left tackle. Jona Williams combined with the fact NFL network

481
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: is reporting the Paris Johnson Junior is going to left tackle.

482
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Speaker 2: I guess I'm going to operate on that premise going forward.

483
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: But overall, he got what nineteen million guaranteed over two years,

484
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: which was the most no check that Justin Jones got

485
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: nineteen point seventy five reportedly well over three years, and

486
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Speaker 2: then Belal Nichols fourteen point four over three years.

487
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Speaker 3: But those but the guarantee, those other two of those

488
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Speaker 3: weren't guarantees, were they?

489
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Speaker 2: I had Jona Williams in nineteen million guaranteed over two.

490
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Speaker 3: Years, yeah, but what was the other one? Those were guarantees.

491
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Speaker 2: Over three years, over three years.

492
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit more for Justin than I thought.

493
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Speaker 3: But there was so much stuff going on last week.

494
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Speaker 2: Sean Murphy Bunting, you know, seventeen point five guaranteed over

495
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Speaker 2: three years the corner. It's a lot. Look in this

496
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 2: day and age of inflation, which is hit the NFL

497
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: as well, look at some of the insane salaries going

498
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: to the premiere elite defenders, Christian Wilkins and other guys.

499
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Speaker 2: I mean, this was sensible shopping, was it not. Danny,

500
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Speaker 2: you go out here. Okay, you don't have the black

501
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: Amex card, but you're gonna do some sensible shopping in

502
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: this day and age where you go to the dry

503
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Speaker 2: cleaner and a pair of slacks cost you like eight

504
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: fifty for a pair of slacks. It's outrageous, right then boom,

505
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you gotta be smart with your money.

506
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Speaker 4: Feels pretty similar to the moves we saw from Awesome

507
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 4: for last year. Those were more so one year deals

508
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 4: and I think trying to patch ups and holes from

509
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: the roster he inherited. So this feels similar in a

510
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 4: sense of again, not those big star players that you're

511
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 4: bringing in as you're starting to look at not just

512
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: the player evaluation but the market valuation as well and

513
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 4: what works for you, but bringing in players that fit

514
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 4: what you are looking for from play on the field

515
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 4: and also in the locker room. And it's very clear

516
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Speaker 4: that they are going to stick with the philosophy their se,

517
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: which is truly building your roster through the draft and

518
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 4: using free agency as a supplemental piece for that.

519
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: You know, you hear what defensive lineman the two man game.

520
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: Is there a better pair of players more equipped right

521
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: now than justin Jones and Blall Nichols considering their background.

522
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Speaker 3: That is a fantastic story.

523
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: To be honest, give it to you. Can you do

524
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: it in thirty seconds or less? Darren? Here we go

525
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: and you're on the clock.

526
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Speaker 3: I at one point, Justin Jones mentioned that he was

527
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Speaker 3: friends with Balall Nichols, and I asked him how they

528
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: came to know each other. Oh. No, he was talking

529
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Speaker 3: about how they were friends because they had met at

530
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Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl. And I asked, so, what was the

531
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Speaker 3: response when you guys ended up both signing here? Like

532
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Speaker 3: how did that go down? And I ended up asking

533
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: Nichols the same question, and they basically they did not

534
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 3: know the Cardinals were talking to the other guy. So

535
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: Justin Jones apparently apparently reached out to Ball Nichols and said, Hey,

536
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Speaker 3: I'm excited to be teammates with you finally, and Nichols

537
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 3: was like, what are you talking about. He goes, yeah,

538
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: I just I just agreed to a deal with the Cardinals.

539
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: He's like, are you kidding me? So there, they didn't

540
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 3: know until it all went down, and it is a

541
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: great story. Nichols was came in late to the Senior Bowl,

542
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: right before he came out for the draft. Justin Jones

543
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: was the one who stepped up and helped him learn

544
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: the playbook as quickly as possible. And they've remained really

545
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: good friends, and now all of a sudden they're playing

546
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Speaker 3: together on the same team.

547
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Speaker 2: It was great because Ball Nichols had that comment about

548
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: the mindset needed to play D line and he used

549
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: a very strong phrase that Craig Grigol quoted exactly word

550
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Speaker 2: for word.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but Craig didn't have enough swag with it.

552
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: That's right. So Danny, we go, Dan, Dan, I'm setting

553
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Speaker 2: you up. Dan.

554
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Speaker 4: You guys were sting the press conference. I just had

555
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Speaker 4: to listen, so.

556
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: You guys could there you go. I have it in

557
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 2: bold right there. If your dad is going to be upset,

558
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: dramatic reenactment. Danny, you want to read it there?

559
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: It's bold.

560
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: It's it's right there in bold, the very bottom there, Nicholas,

561
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 2: you know, dramatic reenactment there, Please.

562
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 3: Read it into the record.

563
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: Here we go the whole thing.

564
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, the bull on Nichols when asked, I guess about

565
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 4: was this what type of player or what kind of

566
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: mindset the D Line's going to have? Yep, want to

567
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 4: be known as very physical d line stop the run.

568
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 4: He says, I want to bring in the mindset where

569
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 4: the baddest mofos walking period, no one out physicals us

570
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: that message want to pass off to my teammates. That's

571
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: the mindset.

572
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: It is it. I mean, I will say this, when

573
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: you when you hear all these guys talk and like you,

574
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: you really get a good sense of like the people

575
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: they are and why they would be JG type players, right,

576
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: I mean, because that's that was the vibe they all

577
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: kind of gave.

578
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: Up saying from Justin Jones too.

579
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well and and Mac Wilson and I mean, obviously

580
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: they're all a little bit different, but I think you

581
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: you really get a sense of the guy and and

582
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: it it puts in more perspective what they're looking for

583
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: in free agency. And Okay, maybe you're not going to

584
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: notice these guys' names right away when you hear them,

585
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: and they're not necessarily going to be splashy. And every

586
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 3: year that happens, teams sign guys and a lot of

587
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: fans are like, I don't know who this guy is.

588
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: But I think ultimately I think that plays a huge part.

589
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: They got to be able to play. Obviously they've done

590
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: the scouting about the playing part, but I think the

591
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 3: amount of time and the intentionality of getting players like

592
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: this when you bring them in as a free agency

593
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: has been very clear to me.

594
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: Obviously, you can say the right thing, it's about your

595
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 4: play for me, when you're talking about defensive linemen in particular,

596
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: where you're putting your hands on somebody and you're trying

597
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: to get them to the dirt and it's rough every

598
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: single play. I want to hear what I heard from

599
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: a Justin Jones of saying we're both hungry and only

600
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 4: one of us is going to eat, and I don't

601
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 4: want to be the one to go hungry on every

602
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: single rap, and that that mindset, that winning mindset, isn't

603
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: just built and needed on Sunday. It's every single day

604
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: in the weight room, the locker room, the cafeteria, what

605
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: you're eating, all of that goes into Sunday. That's I want.

606
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: I want a nasty defensive lineman on my team. That

607
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: is what I want out of a D lineman. And

608
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 4: that's what we have heard so far from Balloon Nichols

609
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: and Justin Jones.

610
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: And you see Justin Jones right there His quote was,

611
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: you got to be a mean sob. It's a man's game, right,

612
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: you got to understand people with families that take care

613
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: of and then he went on to your what you

614
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: quoted there, So yeah, that's the sort of mindset. What's

615
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: intriguing to me And I'd love to know the answer

616
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: to this and we'll never know, but is when JG

617
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: says you got to know no before you invest in

618
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: a player, how do you arrive at that conclusion that

619
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: this is the sort of mindset, this is the sort

620
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: of effort you're going to get out of a free

621
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: agent you're bringing on board. So once again, and I'd

622
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: love to discover at some point what all goes into

623
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: the current decision makers process and the Cardinals front office

624
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: to glean you know that this guy is worth investing in.

625
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: That it's beyond just the measurables, beyond just the box score.

626
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: You got to figure that out.

627
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: Well. I mean again, when when we talk about these

628
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: teams scouting players, all of them when they come out

629
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: for the draft, this is when it comes into play.

630
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: And it wasn't how the whole decision was made, but

631
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: these teams go back to when they draft these guys

632
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: coming out of college. Win Blone Nicholson and Justin Jones

633
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: were at the Senior Bowl and they have notes about

634
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: what kind of people they are, so you kind of

635
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: can start from there. I'm sure with all the coaches

636
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: on this staff, they've got contacts around the league. Players

637
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 3: can vouch for them. You can ask players that are

638
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: on this team that may have played with them. You

639
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 3: can coaches can talk to other coaches. You get you

640
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: get a better idea, see to me. In free agency especially,

641
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: it's almost like you work backwards, like, Okay, let's try

642
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: and you've got to narrow down your scope of who

643
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: you're looking at, obviously, but let's try and find the

644
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 3: best guys first and then we'll figure out if they

645
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: play well enough for us to want to go after them.

646
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: That's how I would look at it.

647
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: And look, there's a lot of attention and need for

648
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: Justin Jones and Blall Nichols. We all saw the rushing

649
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: stats a year ago. Not kind not good. You're in

650
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: a division where you have Kien Williams averaging seven yards

651
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: of carrying the two games against the Cardinals when you

652
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: lost to the Rams. We know what Christian McCaffrey and

653
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: the Niners run game is all about, and then the

654
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: two running backs in Seattle. The underrated guy in a

655
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: lot of ways is Mac Wilson to me, because when

656
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: Kaiser White did go down and out those last seven games, Wow,

657
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: Cardinals had a tough time I agree with that, at

658
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: a tough time covering running backs in pass routes tight ends.

659
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: So Mac Wilson, who can really run, and he's a thumper.

660
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: In fact, that was the quote I like where you said,

661
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: you know, Kaizier's a dog. He reminds me of me,

662
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: a downhill thumper, a guy who can do it all.

663
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: Put me with a guy like Kaizer and then he

664
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: sort of gave that rye smile to the whole room

665
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: and he didn't finish the sentence.

666
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: When I was talking to Mac a little bit before

667
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: we started recording our interview in the studio, we're talking

668
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: about all the different positions he has played. He's, you know,

669
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 4: he hasn't just been a one type of linebacker in

670
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: his career, and he said, honestly, you could just call

671
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: me a defender like I play all over. You don't

672
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: even need to call me a linebacker. Call me a defender.

673
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: I also did learn Simmons.

674
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you guys have your bingo card out? Because

675
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: it looks like he's the new Isaiah That's not on

676
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: my car. Mac Wilson, you always do this.

677
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: You always lead the witness, Darren. I'm sick of it.

678
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: The ex factor Max mac Wilson, who with a quarterback

679
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: breaks out' where is he?

680
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: I also learned that so Mac when he was at Alabama,

681
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: actually with Jonah Williams. They were at Bama together for

682
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: three years. Mac played special teams and he was also

683
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: on offense, a little bit of I believe full back,

684
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: really yes, And then I learned from him that he

685
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 4: also has experience snapping the ball, so okay, a little

686
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: bit of everything. I don't think we can expect to

687
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: see him in an ideal world as the long snapper, hopefully.

688
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: And if you're killing some time on social media or YouTube,

689
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: you can google up what Joonah Williams said to look

690
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: up his big hit on Kickoff cover as a freshman

691
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 2: in Alabama where he destroyed the return man. The hit

692
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: heard around the world.

693
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: I am fascinated to see. I mean, I think when

694
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: they made those initial signings it was Murphy Bunting and

695
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: Jonah Williams that got the most attention because those are

696
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: the one those are the people that people that most

697
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: fans have heard the most about. They've both been played

698
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: in Super Bowls, Murphy Bunting winning one, but these other guys,

699
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: it's it's the three defenders that really kind of catch

700
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: my eye. With the two defensive linemen, and then as

701
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: we're talking about Mac William Wilson, because because I do

702
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: think there can be I mean, you do kind of

703
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: imagine I'll be fascinated how they use Wilson because the

704
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: reality is is your defense is going to be with

705
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: one linebacker, one inside linebacker the vast majority of the time,

706
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: is it going to be Kayzer? Do they do they

707
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 3: switch that up and they use Wilson and Kayzer more often.

708
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: It'll be fascinating to see how they decide to do that.

709
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: Craig Grielu speak about leading, I don't know him. Who's

710
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: that leading the witness on Red Sea Report. He took

711
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: me down the path of could the Cardinals go with

712
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: a four to three? Could the Cardinals show a four

713
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: to three where it's Kaizer, it's Mac Wilson and Zaven

714
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: Collins isn't off the ball linebacker again, that's intriguing. But

715
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: at different times you saw different alignments from Nick Rowlis.

716
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: We saw anything and everything. All of last season. You

717
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: saw four or five guys just walking around the trenches

718
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: with nobody in a three point stand. So I don't

719
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: put anything past this coaching staff. If you indeed have

720
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: that sort of personnel and you're going up against a

721
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: run heavy team, I could see that front seven, especially

722
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: Zavin is excellent in coverage for the most part. And

723
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: mac Wilson we know he can get out in the

724
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: flat and he can cover guys out of the backfield

725
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: and or tight end. So that's something to watch. I

726
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: think in training camp, you know what exactly did the

727
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: Cardinals present. But as for Sean Murphy bunnying, he was

728
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: really interesting when we had him in studio and you know,

729
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: just asked him, Okay, you mentioned in the media that

730
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gan and Manias Supports saw something in you that

731
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: you see in yourself. What do you mean by that?

732
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: And he said, a guy who's a dog, he said,

733
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: a guy who who can shut people down, the guy

734
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: who has the ability to mix things up. I know

735
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: some of the metrics for his man to man coverage

736
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: haven't been real kind. Maybe he's more of a zone

737
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: cover corner, but in an ideal world, he's cornerback two.

738
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: And he did say, and I asked him the question,

739
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: where are they gonna play you? And he said, They're

740
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: gonna play me on the outside. I believe, but obviously

741
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: knowing and I have the flexibility to move inside. But

742
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: he cited Garrett Williams as having an outstanding rookie season

743
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: as a nickel corner, and he he wants to play outside.

744
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: That it's very clear.

745
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and it seems like he wants to continue

746
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: to prove himself outside.

747
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: Well, if you look at some of the analytics and

748
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: the analysts, there was a lot of people that didn't

749
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: feel like he had a great season playing outside last year.

750
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: And the reality is is I don't know if the

751
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: Titans are loaded with cornerbacks or not, and they let

752
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: him walk. So these are all things you have to

753
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: consider with this and that that's nothing against Murphy Bunting.

754
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 3: He seems like a fascinating guy. And I do think

755
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: he's going to come in here and look very uh.

756
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: He's going to make a very concerted effort to get

757
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: to that level that he wants to be.

758
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: If there's one guy in the free agency that I

759
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: think Jonathan Gannon saw on film and said, gotta have

760
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: that guy. I just have a feeling as Sean Murphy

761
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: Bunting because that's JG's expert position that he's coached as

762
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: a position coach for so long. I just get the sense,

763
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: after interviewing Sean Murphy Bunting on Big Red Rage and

764
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: all of us knowing what Jonathan Gannon is about after

765
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: one year, that I would guess Murphy Bunting is JG's

766
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: sort of corner like his guy.

767
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: Do you where do you think the cornerback room is

768
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: right now? What do you think happens?

769
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: That's my sleeper position in round one. I don't think

770
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: there's enough talk about the Cardinals taking.

771
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: A corner at the end of round one and maybe

772
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: a tackle at the top of two if you take

773
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: wide receiver and you only end up with two first

774
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: round draft pack even if they.

775
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: Do trade out of four, let's say let's go down

776
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: to eleven, which seems to be the trade du jour

777
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: right now with the Cardinals. I could see them going

778
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: corner at eleven.

779
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 3: Easily if they go to eleven. Absolutely, If they go

780
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: to eleven, in my opinion, it's either a corner or

781
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: an edge. That's what's gonna.

782
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: Happen, because you can get such a high quality tackle

783
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: or wide receiver later, or even even an interior defensive

784
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: lineman still, which is what a lot of the mock

785
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: drafts have at twenty seven. For the Cardinals, still like

786
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: a defensive tackle.

787
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, possible. I just for some reason, that's what's always

788
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: I agree with Paul. I feel like if they don't go,

789
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 3: if they if they don't stay at four, I feel like, yeah,

790
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: it's gonna be defense, It's gonna be edge, or it's

791
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: gonna be corner, depending on who's on the board at

792
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: that point.

793
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: What about number six? What if you go down six?

794
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: What if you go down two slots? A lot of

795
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: noise around the Giants trying to move up for a quarterback.

796
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: Would you go corner at six? Would you go edge

797
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: at six? Those are two areas of dire need right now.

798
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: I don't disagree, although I do think receiver is a need,

799
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 3: a major need. So if you're at six and let's

800
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: say a Doonesa is still there because neighbors went to

801
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: the Chargers or no.

802
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: Well, you figure the Chargers are going RECEIVERI.

803
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: Figure, but two of those guys are still going to

804
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: be there then, because if somebody comes up, if the

805
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: Giants come up, unless I don't see them coming up

806
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 3: for a receiver, no, when they can stay at six

807
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: and get one. So if they go up for a quarterback,

808
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: then two of those receivers are still going to be

809
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: there at six.

810
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: Again, let there be a fourth QB. That's where this

811
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: whole thing hinges.

812
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: Let there be a fourth QB slash and make the

813
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: Giants want him.

814
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: I agree that wide receiver is still such a high

815
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: need that I think I would put that at six.

816
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 4: I do like the idea of taking a cornerback or

817
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: an edge if you move down to closer of that

818
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 4: middle range of the first round. The Cardinals lost Hollywood Brown.

819
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: You signed with the Chiefs on a one year deal.

820
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: I mean, right now, you've got Michael Wilson, You've got

821
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 4: Chris Moore. I just feel like there's still such a

822
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: drop off. You don't have that number one wide receiver.

823
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 4: And we got glimpses of that, not just last year,

824
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: but also the year before with injuries of it can

825
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: be a struggle when you don't have that true number

826
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 4: one receiver and the Cardinals are desperately missing that at

827
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: the moment.

828
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: I what makes me pause when you talk about going

829
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: corner at four or edge rusher at four or even

830
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: six is and again, these teams are the ones trying

831
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: to figure this out. But I have not seen anyone

832
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: put any of those corners or any of those edge

833
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: rushers in this spot where it's like this guy is

834
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: gonna be a guy for sure. Everybody's still got question marks.

835
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: The kid from Alabama, Terry On Arnold, Arnold, I mean,

836
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 3: he seems to be the top cornerback, but nobody's sitting

837
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 3: here going that's Revis Island all over again.

838
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: No, he didn't run like Quinyan Mitchell. Quinian Mitchell was

839
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: four to three. He was four or five.

840
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: And on the edge rushers like Jared Vers was. He's

841
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: got tremendous physical talent, but he was he only had

842
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: so many sacks. Dallas Turner only had so many sacks.

843
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: Nobody's saying Dallas Turner is another Will Anderson. So that's

844
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: what would make me hesitate, because now we'll start talking about, Okay,

845
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: there is a dire need for those positions here you

846
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: can't not reach.

847
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: You know what, though, Danny, when you mentioned who's currently

848
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: on the roster at receiver, it brings me back to

849
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 2: my earlier question. How much do the current decision makers

850
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: value the position they got rid of Rondelmore. They didn't

851
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: resign Hollywood Brown. Look at the Chargers. We all know

852
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh's pension for playing bully ball, straight ahead, run game.

853
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: Cardinals dealt with it for many years in the division.

854
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: When Jim Harbaugh was the head coach of the forty

855
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: nine Ers. What did he do? He cut Mike Williams

856
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: and they said see you later to Keenan Allen and

857
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: they have zero in the receiver room right now as well.

858
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: I think you could argue the opposite. The Cardinals, and

859
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 4: not just this staff, but previous staff as well, was

860
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 4: having a hard time finding the best way to utilize

861
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 4: rondel Moore, and we talked about it many times. What

862
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: you could get out of rondel Moore, you were getting

863
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: out of Greg Dortch, and the Cardinals made the decision

864
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: to tender dors I don't think it was a bad

865
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 4: deal to make a trade to send More to Atlanta.

866
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 4: And get Desmond Ritter as a backup quarterback because we

867
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 4: saw what happened when Clayton Tuon had to start in

868
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: Cleveland last year. Unless he has taken monumental steps since

869
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 4: that game and throughout this early part of the offseason,

870
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 4: you were desperately missing. You were needing, not missing, but

871
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 4: you were needing a backup quarterback that, Heaven forbid you

872
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: have to use in a game because something happens with

873
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray that you can go and trust that they

874
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 4: can lead your team to success. I don't think many

875
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 4: people could sit here and say as confidently that Clayton

876
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: Tune can do that as well as Desmond Ritter. I

877
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: don't think that means that they don't value or prioritize

878
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: the wide receiver position. I think, if anything, it's having

879
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 4: the understanding of, Okay, we probably really like I would

880
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 4: assume they probably liked Ronde Moore, but you weren't getting

881
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 4: the most out of that, and so you did what

882
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 4: was best there. I think that you can make the

883
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 4: opposite argument of what you are saying of valuing a

884
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 4: wide receiver, and I think that seeing the troubles that

885
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: they had, I would imagine it is a high value,

886
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: especially when you're looking at the quality of these draft picks.

887
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: When it comes to Hollywood Brown, I sat here many

888
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 4: times and said I would love to see him sign

889
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: here on a one year deal. He has said he

890
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: wants to be here. It's very likely that the Cardinals

891
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 4: tried to get him to sign here. Can we honestly

892
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: sit here and say that choosing the Cardinals over the Chiefs,

893
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: with Patrick Mahomes and their Super Bowl runs and what

894
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: he's able to do, that it would have been an

895
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 4: easy choice to stay with the Cardinals because he liked

896
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 4: the organization and was playing with his best friend from

897
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: college and as his quarterback. I mean, I can't sit

898
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: here and say that I blame Hollywood for going and

899
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 4: signing a one year deal with the Chiefs. So again,

900
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 4: that to me doesn't say that they don't value a

901
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 4: wide receiver. I think it makes a lot of sense

902
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: for Hollywood to go sign that deal with Casey.

903
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: For me, I would also say, I mean, I guess

904
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: we'll know the way this draft plays out of how

905
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: they really feel about it, and until then we'll just

906
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: have to debate it. I'm not one hundred percent sure

907
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: if Rondell Moore was on this roster going into training

908
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 3: camp that he was going to be on it when

909
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: the regular season started. I just don't. I kind of

910
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: see that we're talking about a smaller receiver. They don't

911
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 3: want small receivers, and they had too many of them.

912
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 3: Hollywood was also small.

913
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: And oh and neither one is great at blocking, which

914
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: they value a lot in receivers.

915
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: And final point on that, which we've already talked about

916
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: with the free agents coming in. I love Hollywood but

917
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 3: what was one thing he wasn't in his two years?

918
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: Durable?

919
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: Durable? I think it has less to do with the

920
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 3: position and more to do with who they had at

921
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: the position, with the changes that they're trying to make.

922
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: I no longer play fantasy football, but if I do

923
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: this year, I'm drafting Hollywood Brown with Patrick Mahomes. I

924
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: just am Yeah, they missed him. I mean someone asked

925
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: me about Josh Dobbs and I just re run in

926
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: my head how many times Josh Doabbs missed Hollywood Brown

927
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: down the field. That's fair, by the way, speaking a

928
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: backup quarterback now, Desmond Ridder Darren any thoughts. Desmond Ridder

929
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: is going to turn twenty five in August round three

930
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: two years ago. I know a lot of fans that

931
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: I saw are like, oh, geez, you could have given

932
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: up a sixth round and get Justin Fields. Well, hello,

933
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna be doing twenty five million next year because

934
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: he was eleventh pick overall. So and you're only paying

935
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: Desmond Ridder just over a million this year and next year, and.

936
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: You're not getting Justin Fields to come in here and

937
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: be a backup to a guy that again, you need

938
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: a backup cause guys do get hurt. But your plan

939
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: is for Kyler Murray to take every snap this year,

940
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: and then you would have a guy that would never play.

941
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: I don't get the sense Justin Fields would be all

942
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: that great. The reporting out of Chicago on Justin Fields

943
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: was he wanted to go be a Steeler and one

944
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: of the reasons he wanted to be a Steeler even

945
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: after Russell Wilson out, because he thinks he's gonna have

946
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: a chance to play that would not be here. That

947
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: just seems stupid to me. Why do people say that stuff?

948
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: You know what was interesting? Matthew Stafford went on a

949
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: rant with Rich Eyesen this week where he said that

950
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: the NFL is pulling the plug on these quarterbacks way

951
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: too soon.

952
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 3: Luis Lewis Riddick kind of ranted on that a little

953
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: bit on Twitter. I think it was today, might have

954
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 3: been yesterday, but I think it was this morning, basically saying,

955
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 3: at what point do we start looking at these coaching

956
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 3: staffs who are unable to develop these guys and unable

957
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: to adapt to what they have, because not all of

958
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: these quarterbacks should be busting. This is on coaches.

959
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: Because if you look at that twenty twenty one draft four,

960
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: the five you can consider bust right now an exception,

961
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 2: and Trevor Lawrence number one of our.

962
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: And he hasn't been great, And.

963
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: There were five in the top fifteen, and you figure

964
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: there's going to be four in the top ten at

965
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: this rate this year. So what's the future of all

966
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: these rookie quarterbacks this year? If teams are going to

967
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: pull the plug after a season and a half, like,

968
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: for example, Desmond Ritter, how do you really know what

969
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: he's capable of? Obviously through some bad turnover, some bad

970
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: picks he had, he had some bad decisions that he made.

971
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: But again Matthew Stafford went on a rant, say, hey,

972
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: that's life is an NFL quarterback your first two years.

973
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: In fact, I wouldn't even make a judgment or a

974
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: declaration on a guy's future until after year three.

975
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: That's great, except the owner won't stand for that. He

976
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 3: won't the coach isn't going to stand for that because

977
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna get fired. And you want Newel's doesn't

978
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: stand for it. And they're as equally part of the problem.

979
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: The fans like you don't who's who's willing to get them?

980
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: In the media US and then Matthew Stafford threw Rich

981
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: under the bull, but.

982
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: Run there is no runway here. Some they were making

983
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: the point. I mean back you know, back when we

984
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: were young, Paul very young, the NFL the part the

985
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: and there was no free agency. What you you actually had.

986
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: This was a real thing, which is almost hilarious to

987
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: think back to now. When you drafted a quarterback in

988
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: the NFL, the conventional wisdom is you sat him his

989
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: first four or five years before he played. What Oh, yes,

990
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: that was a thing for a long time. Years. Yeah,

991
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: you would say, we want you should be sitting for

992
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: four or five years, watch this guy learn how to

993
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: play the game. Then you play. Now, there was no

994
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: free agency, so no one could go anywhere unless the

995
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: team wanted you to, and and and b you had.

996
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 3: It was a smaller There were fewer teams, not tremendously fewer,

997
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: but there were fewer teams, so there were more a

998
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: few more quarterbacks to go around. But yeah, it was

999
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: you if you read the stuff about you know, quarterbacks

1000
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 3: coming in and I'm talking a while ago. I'm talking

1001
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: about like you're talking about the fifties and sixties and

1002
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: then early seventies. Now I'm not saying everybody did it,

1003
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: but that was like the perfect thing. And then we

1004
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: got to a point where it's like, now you can't

1005
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: sit at all, and it's it's really crazy. And you

1006
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: look at how much it benefited Aaron Rodgers to sit

1007
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 3: for three years. How much it benefited Carson Palmer just

1008
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: to sit one year. I mean, Carson Palmer. Can you

1009
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: imagine Carson Palmer, the number one overall pick of the Bengals,

1010
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: comes in perfectly healthy, and they're like, yeah, John Kitten

1011
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: is gonna play all year. I mean, it wasn't the

1012
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: number one overall pick, but that was the plan. Here.

1013
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: They drafted Matt Liner and he was supposed to sit

1014
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 3: that whole season and Kurt Warner was going to be

1015
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: the quarterback. Kurt Warner did the same thing allegedly in

1016
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: New York and what happened now, Kurt played poorly that

1017
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 3: early year with Lioner, so he kind of earned quote

1018
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: unquote the benching, so Lioner goes. But like with Eli

1019
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: Manning and Kurt Warner in the Giants, Kurt had had

1020
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: their Giants, not a great Giants team with like a

1021
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: they were five and four after they lost here, and

1022
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: he took like six sacks against the Cardinals and looked poor,

1023
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: and then they benched him and they said, you know what,

1024
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: we're putting Eli in and we're not gonna because nobody

1025
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: can wait anymore.

1026
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: The only recent example would be Jordan Love. Yeah, he

1027
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: was the end of the first round twenty twenty.

1028
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: It's worked out kind of well then, and think.

1029
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: About it, he sat those first three years and look

1030
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: at this sort of ball that he played in the

1031
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: playoffs in the postseason. I was shocked. I don't know,

1032
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: you guys watching Jordan Love. He had some really poor

1033
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: moments his first year or two when he got a

1034
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 2: little bit of playing time here and there, he looked

1035
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: totally unequipped. The game looked way too big for him,

1036
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: way too fast for him. And he was out there

1037
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: slicing a dice in the forty nine ers in that

1038
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: playoff game.

1039
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: And and and let's also make very clear, dear Matthew Stafford,

1040
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: that in addition to the owner and the coaches and

1041
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: probably the GM and the media and the fans, you

1042
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 3: know who also doesn't won't stand for a rookie quarterback

1043
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: sitting very long. The rookie quarterback, they get pissed when

1044
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: they're sitting. They get angry when they don't get to play.

1045
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 4: The fact that Caleb Williams is already wanted the team.

1046
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, what do we We can we can

1047
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: talk about these guys getting not the right kind of

1048
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: back up to become good guys. But it's it's everywhere,

1049
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: and it's at all levels, and it's the players too.

1050
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 3: I I guarantee you there's no rookie quarterbacks going you

1051
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 3: know what I think I should sit this year?

1052
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: Okay, So, who currently has the best backup quarterback in

1053
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: the NFC West nine er Josh Dobbs. Rams just signed

1054
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Jimmy Get Jimmy g That's true, Seattle after Sam Howell,

1055
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: and now the Cardinals have Desmond Ritter, Danny.

1056
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: That's that's good, Darren.

1057
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: Interesting poll, right now, that's a good one.

1058
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: Might I Originally I go to think between probably Dobbs

1059
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: and Ritter.

1060
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: I'm I'm after the suspension, I would still go with

1061
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: Jimmy G.

1062
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: I'd go Jimmy G.

1063
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 4: Spend it. We're not taking that into account.

1064
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: No, I mean Jimmy G.

1065
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: I'd say Jimmy G one, Desmond Ridder two, I'd say

1066
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs three, Sam Howell four.

1067
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, that's what I go.

1068
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the nicest way possible. But I

1069
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: mean Josh Dobbs for three games?

1070
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1071
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 4: How many games?

1072
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? There is a shelf life when he comes in.

1073
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: You're right about that. So, by the way, if you're

1074
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 2: wondering in terms of numbers and former players, the last

1075
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: four draft classes prior to mantiasin fort of the thirty

1076
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: two players the Cardinals selected nineteen twenty twenty one in

1077
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, six total players remain.

1078
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: Should we take a guess, I'm a guest, but work

1079
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: through it off the top of our head.

1080
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: Since nineteen there's there's one player from the nineteen class.

1081
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: It's Kyler, Yes there's I'm gonna save you zero players

1082
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: from the twenty class because Lucky Foto is now a

1083
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: New York Jet.

1084
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 4: Who was was that Isaiah twenty twenty Yes, okay, that

1085
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Speaker 4: was before I got here.

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Speaker 2: And then twenty twenty one a seven player class twenty one.

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00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: D mccagee is one, Zavan is the other. Rondell Moore

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00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: traded right, and now you have three players left from

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00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: the twenty two.

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00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 4: Class, camp Town, Ray McBride, MCA.

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00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: And one more special teams guy off the Edge former

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00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: Penn Stater, Canadian Oh Luketta, Jesse Luketta. So there you go.

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00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: So we've talked about it hitting the big red reset button.

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00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: It has happened. It has officially happened. Mantias and fort.

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00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: You're getting into year two with a new group. It

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00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: was almost inevitable.

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Speaker 2: So I just thought that was really interesting as to

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00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: where exactly the Cardinals stand right now, past, present, and

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00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: future as you are a month or so out from

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Speaker 2: the draft. So uh, as for that, let's see what else, Dandy,

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00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: anything else out there? Oh, speaking of options, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: throw this out at the very end. I need your

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00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: opinion COSTLVC has a brand new dog.

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Speaker 4: Yes too.

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00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: We're trying to decide on a name. Do you think

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: I should launch my first ever Twitter poll with the

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00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: five finalists for the name of the dog.

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Speaker 4: I think you can only do up to four.

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Speaker 3: Four?

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00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: Four?

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00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: Okay?

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00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 4: Why do you share them with the listeners?

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00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 2: I know how I feel the given name from the Yes, We'll.

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Speaker 4: Here a little bit of background. So Paul and his

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00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 4: family rescued a dog.

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00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: It's a Chihuahua slash Wiener dog mix, but.

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Speaker 4: The body is more of a Chihuahua. This is important

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00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 4: stuff to know for a name.

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Speaker 2: Think of the Taco Bell Dog. Almost a dead ringer

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00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: for the Taco Bell Dog some twenty years ago.

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00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: He wasn't born yet.

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Speaker 2: Sweet. So the given name, the given named by the

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Speaker 2: ken by the rescue place, was Marty.

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Speaker 3: Marty.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty funny. I like that, you know, it kind

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00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 2: of rolls off the tongue. Then we named him Frankie. Okay.

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Speaker 2: And then, as I explained to Craig Griela, I was

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Speaker 2: watching this movie and there was the name Poncho, which

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00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: means free or freedom in Spanish. Okay uh. And then

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00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: we went with Pico because he's small.

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00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 4: I like Pico.

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Speaker 3: Pico is a good.

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Speaker 2: One, although I've been told it really Pico and Spanish

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00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: is more commonly means an edge, like to like a

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00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: knife or something in edge. And now we've arrived at Cheetooo.

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Speaker 4: Sorry if your.

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00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: Kids I don't like a dog arty in your house.

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Speaker 2: Dog's in the house.

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Speaker 3: His head's got to be spinning.

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Speaker 2: We're on day four. Believe me, they no when the

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00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: dog is in our presence, it's just that dog or

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00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: the four legged friend. I haven't really gone with the

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00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: name yet.

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Speaker 4: So uh, here's I told Paul what's gonna happen? Because

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00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: Paul grew up with cats and he was out voted

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00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: three to one on the dog. As I said. Within

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Speaker 4: the next I said five, it's probably closer to two

1149
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 4: or three years. Paul is going to be the most

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00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: attached to this dog, and also vice versa, because that's

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00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: how it works. The dad doesn't want the dog, and

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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: the dog the dog and the dad love.

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Speaker 3: Each other the most. If you put Cheetoh on that list,

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00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 3: it's gonna win. So you don't want that, just like

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00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: you don't want to put face.

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00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 2: What what's where does that go? How do I know that.

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00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: How do I know that?

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00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: Just google body mcpot face and you'll realize why you don't.

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Speaker 4: Want to tell you I'm not voting for Cheeto on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Before we go, we got to give a shout out

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Speaker 3: to Ray who wrote us a very nice letter. Okay,

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00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: so we're giving Ray, yes, and we've got very nice handwriting.

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Speaker 3: He wrote us a nice letter about how much he

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Speaker 3: appreciates our show. So we want to say good luck Ray. Nice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's great, No, that's that's really good. Anything about

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00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: the brand new innovative luxury field level seating at State

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Speaker 2: Farm Stadium, which has created quite the buzz this week.

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Speaker 3: Those will not be my two season tickets. I'm fairly certain.

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Speaker 4: The casitas, the clubs, they have the field suites in

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00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 4: the field.

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00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: Seats pretty pretty pretty nice.

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Speaker 4: You know, Paul normally roams the sideline for Rado during

1173
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 4: the game. We're gonna take a look and Paul's gonna

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00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 4: be on one of the roofs of the casinos, just

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00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: enjoying a nice drink, hanging out with some Cardinals fansing

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Speaker 4: on the game.

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Speaker 2: You spend your share of time on the sideline, you're

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00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: gonna be involved with that as well, I think there's

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00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: a new rule. Remember Nick Saban used to tell the

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00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: media new rule right in the middle of a press comments.

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00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: New rule.

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00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: If the Cardinals have a three touchdown lead, then the

1183
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: sideline reporter gets to go in for happy heart. That's

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00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking. Just bault the wall, go in, get

1185
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: a nice cold beverage, come back out.

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00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 4: You know, stroll the fancy.

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Speaker 2: How solid would that be though, if you're strolling the

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00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: sideline with a microphone in one hand and a cold

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00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 2: beverage from the Cardinals casita in the other, that would

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Speaker 2: be solid. Yeah, that would be good. I mean, look

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00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: at that.

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Speaker 3: Well, not everybody can look at it if they're listening

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Speaker 3: to us on the podcast only.

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Speaker 4: Check out our social media channels. You can see the renderings.

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Speaker 2: Go see it. Really well done, really well done. I

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Speaker 2: mean beyond innovative. That's really cool. That's it.

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Speaker 3: I shall call him Pico.

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Speaker 2: No that okay, Okay, here we go those them. We're

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Speaker 2: fighting words right there, and that'll bring to an end.

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