1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house Stuff 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant. I'm talking weird 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: like a radio announcer, which means it's time for stuff 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: you know podcast. It's right. Welcome, sir. How are you well? 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm good. Welcome to you as well. Great, I'm I'm good. 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: You I'm fantastic. Are you sure you're feeling high? Uh? 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Is that a trick question? Yeah? I'm feeling high, good man, 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: feeling high, feeling gay and feeling ready to go? Good. Well, 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: let's do this all right, okay, um, Chuck, Josh, Yeah, 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait, let me relish this. There's no plugs, 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: there's no lead ins, nothing here. Pretty good, okay, Chuck. Yes, 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: have you ever heard the terrorism? Terror? Terror? War? Is 14 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: no terror? Or? I know? I have a thick tongue 15 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: terror or terror? Yes? I have you have? Yes? Did 16 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: you know it's from the French? Um? I did not know. That. 17 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Pretty surprising, isn't it? It is to me it's from 18 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: the French. Terrorism. That's how I assume it's pronounced. You 19 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: have to say it like you're condescending. Sorry, uh yeah, nice, um. 20 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: But it was coined during the reign of terror in 21 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: the sev during the French Revolution, So uh, did it 22 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: have the same meaning like unconventional means of warfare that 23 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: involved citizens. It was basically it did have roughly the 24 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: same the same meaning in that it involves citizens. This 25 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: is the one thing that terrorism is always pointed to. 26 00:01:54,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: It's um. It's it's when citizens, innocence are casualties, are 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: directly involved in big problems. Yeah, and not just you know, 28 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: of course there's casualties all the time, including nowadays with 29 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: US drone strikes and our own wars, but literally abandoning 30 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: the rules of war, which we've done a podcast on 31 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: in favor of you know, homemade guerilla tactics to all 32 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: outside those rules and to terrorize people and to terrorize people, 33 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: but you're you're directly targeting normal, everyday citizens, which there 34 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: in lies the terror right. So terrorism, it's been around 35 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: the last couple of hundred years, although in the US 36 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: here it's it's just only in the I guess the 37 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: fifties it started to become kind of a household word. 38 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: Definitely by the eighties. Once um, hijackers started taking over 39 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: airplanes all over the place. We knew what terrorists were. Yeah, boy, 40 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: remember that hijacking was such a big deal because I 41 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: used to be terrified of that, and of course that 42 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: was a central component of nine eleven. But um like 43 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: hijacking as far as just taking over the plane, that 44 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: was like a big deal back in the day. Remember 45 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: that very iconic image of the terrorists holding a gun 46 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: to that pilot's head on a tarmac and I think 47 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: cypress and leaning out the window. Yeah, I remember that. 48 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: It was before they had the good sense to keep 49 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: those doors secure or use metal detector before you got 50 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: on the plate, so you couldn't get a forty five 51 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: onto a plane. You're just on the plane smoking your 52 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: cigarette with your gun, right exactly. Pilots doors open, if 53 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: you want to tour the cockpit, just come on up, right. 54 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: Do you mind taking your burlap hood off right so 55 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: we can see who you are? Man? Things were so lax, 56 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: so weird, so um. So we we came to understand 57 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: terrorism from maybe the sixties of the eighties on. But 58 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: the United States has been dealing with terrorism literally since 59 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the moment it was born. Especially if you call piracy terrorism, 60 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: and for our purposes today we will yes to fall 61 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: in line with the title of this article. We're going 62 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: to yes. Uh, from the moment we gained our independence 63 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: from England before them, yeah, before then, because Europe was 64 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: dealing with it as well. He's um on the North 65 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: African Coast, the Barbary Coast, so named for the Barbarossa brothers. Yeah, 66 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: care and Dean. No, that's sorry, that's one guy. Car 67 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: Dean was one Barbarossa. Yeah, I'm not quite sure who 68 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: he was, but there were brothers, a rouge and his ear. Yeah, 69 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: and Barbara Rossa, Barbara Beard Rosa, Red red Beard, red Beard, 70 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: just like the Ferrari Testa Rosa, the Red Testes exactly. 71 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: And uh like former quarterback then he Testa Verde. But 72 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: my friend he's called Bevinny green Balls, so I thought 73 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: was pretty funny. And he played that he was like 74 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: fifty so he probably did have said he played for 75 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: the books, right. Oh, he played for a bunch of teams. 76 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: He was known to play for the Buccaneers, he was 77 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: and then later with the Jets, and he was all 78 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: over the place. Yeah, I was just associated with the Buccaneers. Yeah, 79 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: well he I think he played a portion of his 80 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: career there, but when he played for twenty five years 81 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: or whatever, you're gonna get around. You know, there was 82 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: never a better Heyday for team logos than there were 83 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: than the seventies and eighties. Like the old Raiders logo, 84 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: which I guess is still around that the Raiders stay 85 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: pretty concer but the Buccaneers used to have a great 86 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: one orange. The New England Patriots had like that min 87 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: man who was ready to hike the ball. They were, 88 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: They were just great. The Pittsburgh Pirates had probably one 89 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: of the better ones of all time. Uh well, yeah 90 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: they were baseball of course, sure, I know, yeah, I 91 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: said sports logos. Okay, I think I said sports. Yeah, 92 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about the old stove top hats that the 93 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: Pirates were at the flat Caps they had. Oh yeah, yeah, 94 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: those are awesome with the yellow bands. Yeah they were terrible. 95 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: So speaking of Pirates, we were talking about the brothers 96 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: red Beard, Barbarossa and um. These guys were actually Turks, 97 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: but the Spaniards were the ones who named them. Barbarossa 98 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: and the Spaniards were well versed in the school of 99 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: the Blade, taught by a rouge and his year Barbarossa. Yeah, 100 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: and these pirates specifically were helping out Muslim Moore's driven 101 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: away from Spain by Christians, and this just reinforced to 102 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: me like Christians and Muslims, man, they've been fighting for 103 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: a long time, like anything you see on the news 104 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: these days, just like, yeah, this has got quite a 105 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: bit of history here. Yeah, is a really big year 106 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 1: for Spain. Sent Columbus over here to the New World 107 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: and drove the um Spanish Muslims a k a. The 108 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: Moops from Spain or they the moops, No, the Moors. 109 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: Remember that Seinfeld where he's playing can we pursue with 110 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Bubble Boy and he's like the Moors. He goes, no, 111 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: it's the moops. Yeah, I forgot about that. I feel 112 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: silly because I thought that might have been. Yeah, yeah, 113 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,559 Speaker 1: the Spaniards like Moore's moops. Who cares? Okay. So after 114 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: this happens, the Mediterranean Sea right there between North Africa 115 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: and Southern Europe, all of a sudden, because it was 116 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: such a heavily traveled trade route, became a haven for 117 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: piracy because there was lots of stuff to booty, Yeah, 118 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: lots of stuff to lots of booty to pillage. Yeah, 119 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: because at this time it was that was the route 120 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: between Europe and the East Indies, and that's where Europe 121 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: was making all of its money from the spice trade 122 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: and all that um. And so to get there you 123 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: had to go through the Mediterranean. When the Christians drove 124 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: the Moors to North Africa, and of course the North 125 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: Africans are like, hey, we're living here, the Berber folks, 126 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: and that where Barbary comes from. No Barbary comes from Barbarossa. 127 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: Oh I thought it said it was so named for 128 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: the Berber people. Know, the Barbarossa brothers. Those guys were 129 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: so bad they named the entire North African coast after them, 130 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: the four states of uh, Algiers, Tunis, Morocco, and Tripoli, 131 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: which is what we know know is liberal Libya, liberty. 132 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: That's the Barbary Coast named after the Barbarosis. So you've 133 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: got all this piracy going on. It's stepping up in 134 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: earnest after and everybody's just getting taken every which way 135 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: but Sunday, that's right, Uh, every which way. So Muslims 136 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: and Christians were both you know, getting it on the 137 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: piracy game. We don't want to like sling stones to 138 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: good point only at the Muslims. But um, because of 139 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: where it was, it was just a haven for it. 140 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: And I think you point out this is your article right, Um, 141 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: in the seventeenth century at one point and estimated twenty 142 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: people were captured by the Barbaries and held in Algiers alone. 143 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: Twenty thousand kidnappings. That's like a couple of good sized 144 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: cities back then. Yeah, that's significant. So they were doing 145 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: a pretty good job. I guess it's the piracy. Yeah, 146 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: that's like the average attendance on a Tuesday night of 147 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh Pirates game in the late seventies. Tuesday night, 148 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: late seventies. Yeah, they were pretty good. Yeah, but Roberto 149 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: Clemente era, he can fill those seats. He was earlier 150 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: than that. But yeah, the Willie Stargel era, that's what 151 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: I said. Let's call it that. Um so European. They 152 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: they did so much pirating. They thought, you know what, 153 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: we can make more money if we start to extort people. 154 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: Not only can we pillage their booty, we can extort 155 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: money from them a k a. Getting tributes paid, Yeah, 156 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: which is really just extortion. It's a protection racket. Yeah, 157 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: it was. We will protect you from ourselves. These guys 158 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: are like Sicilians. All of a sudden, it's like, hey, 159 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: we wouldn't want anything to happen to your ship. Give 160 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: us some money, we'll make sure it doesn't. But they 161 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: weren't even as sly as the average Sicilian. They said, 162 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: if you don't give us money, we're going to attack 163 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: your ships, take your goods, and kidnap your crews. And 164 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: they had certain things so in addition to to tribute 165 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: and then capturing goods, kidnapping a person could be kind 166 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: of lucrative no matter what the person's station was socially. Well, yeah, 167 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: because well, first of all, pay us if and we 168 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: won't kidnap you, and then we will kidnap you and 169 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: then get try and get you to pay us the ransom, 170 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: or if you won't do that, then we'll just sell 171 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: you as a slave. And we're gonna make money one 172 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: way or the other, one way or another. If you 173 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: are a member of a Barbary state and you're a pirate, 174 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: you know how to make some coin. Yeah, And it 175 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: was such a racket that nations included line items and 176 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: their budgets to pay these tributes. It was like an actual. 177 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: I guess you'd call it legit. I mean, it wasn't 178 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: legitimate because it was uh, you know, plundering, but they 179 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: legitimately included it as like, hey, we gotta pay these 180 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: guys off exactly this much money per year, so we 181 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: just gotta think about that. Yeah. Um, and the I 182 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: think the United States in its four fiscal budget had 183 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: eight grand set aside to pay as tribute to Barbary governments. Yeah, 184 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: that is crazy. And um, that was actually small at first. 185 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: Two Well yeah it um, I think you pointing out 186 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: it goes up to a million dollars by and they 187 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: paid a million dollars annually for fifteen years. It's a 188 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: lot of coin. Back then. That was ten percent of 189 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: the federal annual income at the time. Well million bucks. 190 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: The reason it went up so much was the Barbary 191 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: states actually had tribute on a sliding scale. They they 192 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: the European nations right at the time. If you think 193 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: of them as corporations, because essentially it's what they were, 194 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: Like the British East India Company was pretty much one 195 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: and the same as the British government. Um, they would 196 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: use the Barbary pirates to um, they would use their 197 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: diplomats to get the Barbary pirates to attack some nations 198 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: leave theirs alone. They would pay some tribute, but they 199 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: were It was definitely part of the political maneuvering was 200 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: to just kind of keep this Mediterranean shipping channel open 201 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: for the superpowers and squeeze out the little guys. Well 202 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: of Barbaries were like, yeah, we like making money from you, 203 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: but we also want to make it from the little 204 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: guys too, So we're gonna establish the sliding scale and 205 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: based on the size of your economy, that's how much 206 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: tribute we're going to extract from you. And when the 207 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: US was born, they're like, oh, you're tiny, just give 208 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: us like eighty grant how about that? And then within 209 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: like ten years they were like, oh, yeah, you guys 210 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: have a whole continent of raw material. You show no 211 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: scruples that stealing it um from the natives who are 212 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: living there, right, So how about a million a year 213 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: from So they did that for fifteen years. Um. One 214 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: of the main reasons they did this for so long 215 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: was because they were trying to form a navy. They 216 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: didn't even have a navy at this point the US. Yeah, 217 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: and then in fact this is why the navy was born. 218 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: It would have been born at some point anyway, because 219 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: you need a navy. But this is what really spurred 220 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: the creation of the navy in the US. And Thomas 221 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: Jefferson comes along and was, like I told John Adams, 222 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: was like, dude, we can't be paying these this old 223 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: world stuff and worrying about paying off these tributes to 224 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: these guys. Like we got to expand west brother, Like 225 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: this is where it's at. We're sitting here playing these 226 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: old games, paying these guys money and trading and over 227 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: the Atlantic. Screw that, Let's just stay over here, expand westward, 228 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: and that's where the future of this country is. Right. 229 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: He also made a pretty good point that it would 230 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: be more cost effective to take that million bucks and 231 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: put it into a navy and pound the Barbary States 232 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: into submission, then to just keep paying him a million 233 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: dollars a year, you know, ad infinite. Um. I wonder 234 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: what the because this is while they were doing this, 235 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: concurrently they were building a navy to try and stop this. 236 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: Like if that was ten, I wonder how much it 237 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: costs to build the navy, Like a substantial portion of 238 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: the federal government's funds was tied up and stopping this 239 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: at the time, including building the navy, paying these ransoms 240 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: or tributes or extortion fees depend which way one. And 241 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: it was a big problem, like we said, right out 242 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: of the gate um. But it wasn't handled for a 243 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,359 Speaker 1: while because Jefferson ideas, I guess, his westward expansion concept 244 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: and then building a navy rather than paying tribute um. 245 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: He was in the minority. He was the diplomat that 246 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: succeeded Benjamin Franklin, who was the America's first diplomat or France. 247 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: And Benjamin Franklin had he took the tech that most 248 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: people at the time took, which was this was just 249 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: part of doing business with the East Indies, and you know, 250 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: we'll we'll do what we can. Before we used to 251 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: be under the protection of Great Britain. While we split 252 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: from Great Britain, we're not under the protection anymore. We're 253 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: still kind of a fledge nation, so we need a 254 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: protection of superpower. So Franklin knew how to charm the French, 255 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: and he set up the Treaty of Amity and Commerce 256 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: of seventeen seventeen seventy eight just directly addresses this pretty much. Yeah. 257 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: It actually had mentioned the Barbary nations by name in 258 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: this treaty and basically said France, you got help us 259 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: out here in the Mediterranean and France said okay. They 260 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: did say okay, which is good. So Jefferson, Um, he 261 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have any real pull at this point yet. It 262 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: was not until he became president that actually really enact 263 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: his plan, which was to get out of this whole mess. Yeah, 264 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: and once he did, he basically said, you guys are toasted. Yeah. 265 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as he was sworn into office, 266 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: the Turkish ruler Pasha demanded an extra two hundred and 267 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: fifty dollars from this new administration. They were like, well, 268 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: you're the new guy. Well we just need a bonus 269 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: payment because you're now in office, right, And I, Um, 270 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: I looked this up. I was like, god, I thought 271 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: that was so much money. Back then it was about 272 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: three million dollars. It was less than three million, which 273 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: is not that much. Yeah, and you never hear about this, 274 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: Like I didn't learn this in high school. No, I know, 275 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, I remember getting out of high school and realizing, like, 276 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: there's so much more to history. Yeah, I didn't realize 277 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: what else Jefferson was doing in Paris. You know, he 278 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: was doing a lot of crazy stuff. Yeah, and some 279 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: not so crazy romantic things. But you didn't learn about 280 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: that in high school either, about him. I bet I 281 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: wonder if they teach that stuff now. I'd be curious 282 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: to sit in on a high school history class. I 283 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: imagine it's very much the same. Yeah, there's a certain uh, 284 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: there's a certain school of thought that you're indoctrinated into, 285 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: and there's stuff you need to know and things you 286 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't know, and you don't need to know about that. 287 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: We don't need to talk about that kind of thing. 288 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: And then college was where I first started getting my 289 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: real education, had some really good history teachers. Yeah. Um, 290 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: all right, So where are we? We are in office 291 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: as Jefferson, Yes, and he already hates the Barbary States 292 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: because he's been trying to get everybody to turn against 293 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: him for fifteen years. He's finally got the power to 294 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: do something about it. That's right. Uh, they had taken 295 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: control of a couple of crew members captured American chips 296 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: and they and you know what, we'll release these guys 297 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: if you increase your tribute. And Jefferson said enough of 298 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: this crap. We've got ships now, six of them. I 299 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: think at first, Yeah, that's cute. You gotta start small, 300 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: and we're coming over to pay you a little visit 301 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: in our ships. And the First Barbary War from e 302 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: ten o one to eighteen o five, Uh, it was, 303 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: it was, but pretty happen in war. I mean it 304 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: was mostly at sea and it lasted four years, right, yeah, 305 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: But um, at one point they captured Uh well they 306 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: captured because the US the USS Philadelphia I think, ran 307 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: aground and got stuck. So this is one sixth of 308 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: the entire US fleet at the time, I think, so, yeah, 309 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: so I got stuck and like working order still, So 310 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: they captured the ship, take control of the crew, and 311 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: they used the ship as a gun battery against us 312 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: because it's just parked right there, I guess cannons aimed 313 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: out towards the sea. So they just used it that 314 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: way for a while. And um, it was Stephen Decatur, 315 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Stephen Decatur of the Navy led some marines and 316 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: recaptured the ship and burned it so they couldn't use it. 317 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: And that guy is he's I think there are forty 318 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: six communities in the United States named Decatur, including one 319 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: where you live right here in Atlanta, and Jerry So 320 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: named yeah, and Jerry So named for Stephen Decatur. And 321 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: there's a pick there's a statue. Is that Decatur Jefferson? 322 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: I think there's a Decatur statue right there at the 323 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: is the one that we shot at though, Was that Jefferson? Oh? 324 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: Was that Jefferson the guy writing? You know, man, I 325 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: don't even know that's sad, like molested the statue. We 326 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: don't even know what statue was, but I know there 327 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: is a Decatur monument in the center of Decatur. Stephen Decator, 328 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: he was, but yeah, this is where he really kind 329 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: of proved his stripes as an admiral. And apparently he 330 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: came very close to being killed. But one of his 331 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: crew members when they were going to attack the Philadelphia, 332 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: one of his crew members threw himself in between Decatur 333 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: and a barbary I guess pirate, and um, he survived, 334 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: but like he threw himself in in between the sword 335 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: and Decatur and Decatur went on to um even greater stuff. Um. 336 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, so they destroy the Philadelphia. They get out 337 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: very daring and you said marines were there, Yeah, I 338 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: mean led by a naval officer, but it was definitely 339 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: the Marines the dirty work. And that's why if you 340 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: listen to the Marine Corps him in the first line, 341 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: it's from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli. 342 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: This is what they're talking about. Pretty cool. Um. So 343 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: the First Barbary War last from eighteen o one to 344 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: eighteen o five, it was mostly with Tripoli. They're the 345 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: ones who were giving us the most trouble. Tunis and 346 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: l Jeers Um basically said, you know what, We're just 347 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: gonna stand over here for a little bit. We're fine. 348 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: We all of our alliances with you were not to 349 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: break up. We're pirates. We're all pirates, everybody, What did 350 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: you expect? And then several years later, Thomas Jefferson retires 351 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: the Monticello and James Monroe comes into the presidency and 352 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: we have trouble again, but this time it's with Tunis 353 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: and l Jeers and James Monroe takes a totally different 354 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: tack than Thomas Jefferson. I think because we had a 355 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: much bigger navy by then. For the Second Barbary War, 356 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: was it just a little more aggressive we just went 357 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: into the coast of Tunis and Algiers impounded their cities 358 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: with our cannons and they said, okay, okay, sorry that. 359 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: Right after that the US said no more, We're never 360 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: paying you another dime. Yeah. And in the First War 361 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: they you pointed out that they used the tactic used 362 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: by the Green Berets, which was to find local insurgent 363 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: groups to help them do the fighting. And I think 364 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: in this case there were some Greeks and Arab and 365 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: Berber mercenaries that we like enlisted to help fight against 366 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: them on land, what little fighting it was on land, 367 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: and it worked, and it was the first time a U. 368 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: S Flag was ever raised on foreign soil, thankfully. Man. 369 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: I am just overwhelmed with jingoism right now? Are you 370 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: a jingoist? I for the moment, Eve, until we Keith 371 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: growing around? Man, that guy, what happened to him? He's around? 372 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure, okay, I mean, I don't keep up, but 373 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: nothing's happened to him as far as I know. He's 374 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: still gingering it up. Uh So is that it? I've 375 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: got nothing else, I've got something else. So we were 376 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: talking about how you said Christians and Muslims alike, we're 377 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: not shy about resorting to piracy, enslavement, all that stuff. 378 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: And um, the Mediterranean had seen piracy for millennia, but 379 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: it all really started in the Crusades, and that's when 380 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: one side was just you know, capturing the other people. 381 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: Never that at some point the Crusades. Yeah, I mean 382 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: we could only have to be an overview obviously, because 383 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: we could do like tin shows on the Crusades. Sure. Um, 384 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: but through at this time there's this order called the Mathurians, 385 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: and they are a French Catholic sect and their whole 386 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: gig was raising money to use to ransom sailors who 387 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: couldn't pay their own ransom to keep them from being 388 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: sold into enslavement, which is a pretty noble pursuit. And 389 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: these guys were like they were you know, they took 390 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: vows of poverty, so they like weren't holding any of 391 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: the money themselves. They were getting fatl this they really 392 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: used it, and over three centuries, um, they ransom ninety 393 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: thousand sailors that were captured. Yeah, and um, one of 394 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: those guys turned out to be Miguel de Cervantes who 395 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: wrote Don Quixote. Really he was captured in the Mediterranean, 396 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: And I suppose wrote that after he was freed. I 397 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: don't know, I would say so, well, that's just a guess. 398 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: An that cool though. Thought about one more thing too, 399 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: apparently the slaves. I mean, it was not great to 400 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: be captured as a slave, but it wasn't like European 401 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: and uh American slaves like you could actually gain wealth 402 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: and possession and status as a slave in Africa. Yeah. Yeah, 403 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: African slavery is much different than Portuguese style slavery that 404 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: we're used to here in this and and most of 405 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: the time it was not like a great thing, but 406 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: you could. I think one guy even rose to a 407 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: position of advisor to a king of Algae. Wow. Wow. Yeah. 408 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: And by used to I meant uh aware of and 409 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: disgusted by, right, not used to? Yeah, accustomed to? Is 410 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: that is that it? Yes? Okay, well that was America's 411 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: first terrorist threat, pirates. That's the answer. If you want 412 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: to learn more and uh read the article that I wrote, 413 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: you can type in first terrorist threat. There's a lot 414 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: of terrorism stuff. We should do one on how terrorism 415 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: works in general. We no, um, you can find all 416 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: that stuff by typing terror into the search bar. How 417 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: stuff works dot Com. I'll bet he'll bring up some 418 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: surprising stuff. Uh. And since I said search bar this year, mail, 419 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: not quite yet, my friend. 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