1
00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:16,040
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the backyard. A Washington

2
00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Township police officer screams over the radio after responding to

3
00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,360
Speaker 1: a call at Hawthorne Farm, an equestrian property and home

4
00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:30,160
Speaker 1: in Long Valley, New Jersey. The wounded victim, thirty eight

5
00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,960
Speaker 1: year old Lauren Canoract, bleeding and nearly unconscious. The alleged

6
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,120
Speaker 1: shooter property and Canaracts landlord. A criminal complaint states Canoract

7
00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,640
Speaker 1: and Barrisone had an ongoing landlord tenant dispute leading up

8
00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,040
Speaker 1: to the shooting. Quote Michael Barrisone shot me. He shot

9
00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,800
Speaker 1: me twice, she told police. When they arrived at the scene,

10
00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,800
Speaker 1: they discovered Canaract's fiance and Barrisone on the ground wrestling

11
00:00:51,840 --> 00:01:02,480
Speaker 1: for the guns. According to the complaint, when police took

12
00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,120
Speaker 1: Barrisone into custody at the scene, he reportedly stated multiple times,

13
00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,000
Speaker 1: I had a good life. You know, it's very rare.

14
00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:15,479
Speaker 1: You hear of fatal shootings amongst Olympians now every once

15
00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,480
Speaker 1: in a while, you hear about doping or drugging, and

16
00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:27,760
Speaker 1: it tanks the entire the entire arena. But when you

17
00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:37,560
Speaker 1: hear of cold blooded shootouts between equestrians and well respected Olympians.

18
00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, this is crime stories. You were

19
00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,280
Speaker 1: just hearing our friend at CBS two. That was Valerie Castro,

20
00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:51,400
Speaker 1: an equestrian at the top of the game, shot by

21
00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,680
Speaker 1: an Olympian. Joining you right now at All Star panel.

22
00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,240
Speaker 1: First with me Stephen Corby, expert in safe sport, Dianna Corby,

23
00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,840
Speaker 1: dressage trainer, expert, doctor Bethany Marshall's Psycholis out of La

24
00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,480
Speaker 1: John Cardio, former NYPD, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

25
00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,280
Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, judge and

26
00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,360
Speaker 1: trial lawyer Ashley Wilcott at Ashley Wilcott dot com. You know,

27
00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,320
Speaker 1: first you doctor Bethany Marshall. You know when you think

28
00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,480
Speaker 1: of Olympians, you think of the elite. I mean, I

29
00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,800
Speaker 1: will never forget. I guess his name was Mark Spitz,

30
00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,920
Speaker 1: and he was an Olympian and he would pose in

31
00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:46,360
Speaker 1: his swimsuit with about ten gold medals around his neck.

32
00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:53,519
Speaker 1: Then there came Bruce Jenner, Tocathalon Olympian winner. I mean,

33
00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,160
Speaker 1: it goes on and on. My son talks about Usain

34
00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,440
Speaker 1: Bolt all the time. Michael Phelps. We look up to

35
00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:08,079
Speaker 1: them because they epitomize or did epitomize clean living, devoting

36
00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:13,359
Speaker 1: themselves to something and hanging in there, finding adversity until

37
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,160
Speaker 1: they win the gold to represent our country. When I

38
00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,480
Speaker 1: hear that one olympian shoots down another equestrian, that that

39
00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,440
Speaker 1: doesn't that goes against everything we think we know, doctor

40
00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:33,639
Speaker 1: Beth Fancy, when you look at these individuals, the more sophistication, money, wealth, training,

41
00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,480
Speaker 1: gifts and capacities and privileges in society that a person has,

42
00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 1: the more they can use these privileges to hide a

43
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,800
Speaker 1: very messy pathological interior. So look at that one astronaut.

44
00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember she went all the way into space.

45
00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,120
Speaker 1: Then she was part of a love triangle. She ended

46
00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,640
Speaker 1: up putting on a pair of diapers driving right. I

47
00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,800
Speaker 1: was just about to say, is that the woman in

48
00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,280
Speaker 1: the middle of a love triangle that went after her

49
00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,520
Speaker 1: love rival and actually drove to the night wearing a

50
00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,600
Speaker 1: pair of adult diapers. Her name will forever be connected

51
00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,560
Speaker 1: to adult diapers. I mean, but in this case, you know,

52
00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,240
Speaker 1: you really hit on something. To Dave Matt Crime online

53
00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,760
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter money, this is a former equestrian

54
00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:26,440
Speaker 1: olympian on the grounds of his ritzy fifty three acre sprawl.

55
00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,520
Speaker 1: Now I don't get it. Barrisone, a member of the

56
00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:40,480
Speaker 1: Beijing Summer Games, allegedly guns down a female equestrian, shooting

57
00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,520
Speaker 1: her twice in the chest in playing daylight in the

58
00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,640
Speaker 1: afternoon at Hawthorne Farm. That's in a rural Morris County

59
00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,320
Speaker 1: where there's nothing but I mean stinking rich people with huge,

60
00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,400
Speaker 1: huge estates. What happened, Dave mac How did one equestrian

61
00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,720
Speaker 1: go after the other one? The way it came out

62
00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,920
Speaker 1: in Nancy, in the way that this is being played

63
00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,600
Speaker 1: out is it was a landlord tenant dispute. Barrisone, as

64
00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned, he owns that horse farm, this fifty three

65
00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:14,120
Speaker 1: acre very expensive, ritzy equestrian outlet, and Lauren Canteract and

66
00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,760
Speaker 1: her fiance Rob Goodwin, we're living on the property while

67
00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,640
Speaker 1: training and raising some horses there on the farm in

68
00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,960
Speaker 1: association with Michael Barrisone. They had a conflict. They had

69
00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,200
Speaker 1: a battle over whether or not Lauren and her fiance

70
00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,599
Speaker 1: could remain at that property. Barrisone wanted them off of

71
00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,280
Speaker 1: his property. Counteract said no, I have a right to

72
00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,000
Speaker 1: be here. And that's where the conflict began, and that's

73
00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,440
Speaker 1: how we ended up in this horrible mess. Take listen

74
00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:53,520
Speaker 1: to our friend Tara Jquit CBS two. Washington Township Police

75
00:05:53,560 --> 00:06:00,320
Speaker 1: responding to a call at this home Wednesday around two pm.

76
00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,520
Speaker 1: That's where they found thirty eight year old Lauren Canteract

77
00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:09,880
Speaker 1: bleeding and losing consciousness. We have one not shot. That

78
00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,800
Speaker 1: shooter was identified by Canteract herself. The criminal complaints states

79
00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,600
Speaker 1: she said, quote Michael Barrosone shot me. He shot me twice.

80
00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,480
Speaker 1: Police confirm it's former US Olympian Michael Barrisone. The fifty

81
00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,760
Speaker 1: four year old who traveled with Team USA to Beijing

82
00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,040
Speaker 1: to compete in dressage, was also Canteract's landlord. Canteract, an

83
00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,919
Speaker 1: award winning equestrian, herself, was reportedly living on Barzone's property

84
00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,360
Speaker 1: here at Hawthorne Farm with her fiance, and there was

85
00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,000
Speaker 1: an ongoing landlord tenant dispute. Gassage A lot of people

86
00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,640
Speaker 1: may not be familiar with it. Gissage is an Olympic sport.

87
00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,840
Speaker 1: It really got going in the Games in Stockholm all

88
00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,480
Speaker 1: the way back in the early nineteen hundreds and it

89
00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:55,159
Speaker 1: is when the rider, the equestrian, performs a very intricate

90
00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,840
Speaker 1: series of very precise horseback maneuvers, and the riders are

91
00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,560
Speaker 1: scored on a scale of z. He rode to ten

92
00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,880
Speaker 1: by a panel of international judges. Now with me right now,

93
00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:10,680
Speaker 1: a dressage trainer, an expert. Her name is Dianna Corby. Okay, Dianna,

94
00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,640
Speaker 1: don't laugh. But all I can think about is when

95
00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,400
Speaker 1: I was on Dancing with the Stars and my partner,

96
00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:24,360
Speaker 1: an irishman, Tristan mcmaddus, wanted to do every time. Tristan

97
00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,080
Speaker 1: loved to do intricate dance steps and you know, turning

98
00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,720
Speaker 1: your toes this way in that way and whirling around,

99
00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,680
Speaker 1: and he was really good at it. I, however, was

100
00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,920
Speaker 1: not as good at it. But I can't imagine it

101
00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,600
Speaker 1: was hard enough for me to do that much less

102
00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,440
Speaker 1: get a horse to Just having a really bad flashback

103
00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,360
Speaker 1: of what what was that dance? Oh? The quick step?

104
00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,880
Speaker 1: Oh gosh? Oh man, Okay, now go ahead, explain to

105
00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,200
Speaker 1: me dressage. How did it happen? And why do we

106
00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,040
Speaker 1: call it dressage? It looks like dressage, but we call

107
00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:03,600
Speaker 1: it dressage. Yeah. Dressage is a French word that means training,

108
00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:09,040
Speaker 1: and it was started. It originated a long time ago

109
00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,800
Speaker 1: when horses were used in battle and that's how the

110
00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,680
Speaker 1: discipline of dressage came about. We obviously no longer use

111
00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,400
Speaker 1: horses in battle, but the movements that were used in

112
00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:29,560
Speaker 1: defense and warfare are still are used now today in

113
00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,880
Speaker 1: the Olympic Games. So it is similar to the dance

114
00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,800
Speaker 1: that you're referring to, except now we have a thousand

115
00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:43,400
Speaker 1: pound animal that doesn't speak English that you're trying to

116
00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,119
Speaker 1: communicate with through the most subtle aids, using your body language,

117
00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:56,720
Speaker 1: your weight, and trying to do a pattern that is

118
00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,800
Speaker 1: judged by different judges around the arena and can be

119
00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:14,320
Speaker 1: seen of course in the Olympics today crime stories with

120
00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,920
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Because of this, I've been looking at videos

121
00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,760
Speaker 1: a dressage and I grew up in a very very

122
00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,760
Speaker 1: rural area in Middle Georgia and we were around cows

123
00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,280
Speaker 1: and horses and all sorts of animals. And when you

124
00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,880
Speaker 1: say a thousand pound animal trying to get it to

125
00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,800
Speaker 1: do these intricate it's like the horse is doing intricate

126
00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,280
Speaker 1: dance steps and it's amazing. You know what else hits

127
00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,840
Speaker 1: me to Ashley Wilcott, judge trial lawyer. You can find

128
00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:48,120
Speaker 1: her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. This guy, Michael barrisone

129
00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,800
Speaker 1: was named the Sportsman International Horseman of the Year and

130
00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:59,520
Speaker 1: has trained many many Olympians and he operates the Barrisundressage

131
00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:05,440
Speaker 1: Trail Facility on a long valley farm, you know, and

132
00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,800
Speaker 1: it's just eleven miles from the US Equestrian team's headquarters

133
00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:18,720
Speaker 1: in Gladstone. Now it's very rarefied equestrian much less this dressage.

134
00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,440
Speaker 1: Have you noticed, Ashley, the more rarefied and the richer.

135
00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,600
Speaker 1: And I hate to say it because I push education

136
00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:32,599
Speaker 1: on my children constantly. The smarter people get the sneakier

137
00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,760
Speaker 1: they are, and it seems like they don't really have

138
00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,440
Speaker 1: enough to do, and they sit around and think about

139
00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,520
Speaker 1: murdering each other. Now I'm gonna have to pull on

140
00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,000
Speaker 1: a shrink on that. But help me out, Ashley. This

141
00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,040
Speaker 1: is a crazy case. So first of all, you're right,

142
00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:49,160
Speaker 1: the equestrian world is so is an expensive sport, right,

143
00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,360
Speaker 1: It is a very expensive stort. There you go. You

144
00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,040
Speaker 1: just hit the nail on the head. That is why

145
00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,240
Speaker 1: it's so elite and rarefied. It's the only word I

146
00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,920
Speaker 1: can really think to describe it. Because nobody else can

147
00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,920
Speaker 1: afford it. I mean I can. As a team, I

148
00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,520
Speaker 1: can afford a pair of bebops because that's all I

149
00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,319
Speaker 1: had to buy, you know, the blue and white satelocks

150
00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,199
Speaker 1: for to be a cheerleader. Okay, that's all I had

151
00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,920
Speaker 1: to buy. The school bought the uniform and the pom poms.

152
00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:21,439
Speaker 1: But equestrian, that's thousands and thousands, Deanna Corby, how much

153
00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,400
Speaker 1: would it take for a little girl, let's just say

154
00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:30,000
Speaker 1: eleven to get outfitted in board a horse and learn

155
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,880
Speaker 1: equestrian A lot of money? Um, if you want the breakdown,

156
00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, Um, let's see at my facility. Board is

157
00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,800
Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty dollars a month, and I was

158
00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:49,199
Speaker 1: just gagging, go ahead, and then, um, training depends on

159
00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,920
Speaker 1: depending on how much I'm sorry that choked me up

160
00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,360
Speaker 1: so much, go ahead training? Then what happens? Yeah, training,

161
00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,439
Speaker 1: depending on how much you want. You could be looking

162
00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,920
Speaker 1: at another eight hundred dollars a month or so, and um,

163
00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,280
Speaker 1: you know boots three hundred dollars for for the rider saddle. Um,

164
00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,120
Speaker 1: as much as five thousand dollars for what wait? Wait,

165
00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,640
Speaker 1: what costs five thousand dollars the saddle? The saddle, the

166
00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,080
Speaker 1: saddle alone. Okay, you know, Ashley, you hit the nail

167
00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,160
Speaker 1: on the hand, it's all money. It is all money.

168
00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,120
Speaker 1: And let me just I'm sorry, Nancy. I have to

169
00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,760
Speaker 1: say this, as you and I both know. Listen, just

170
00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,320
Speaker 1: because you have money and expertise super smart doesn't mean

171
00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,720
Speaker 1: you can't be a criminal or do something that you shouldn't.

172
00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this man, for God's sake, shot someone over

173
00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,640
Speaker 1: a landlord tenant dispute. How many people in America have

174
00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,120
Speaker 1: landlord tenant disputes. I think it was more than shoot

175
00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,560
Speaker 1: each other. I think it was more than that. There

176
00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,280
Speaker 1: has to be more to this than over rent or

177
00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,040
Speaker 1: her moving out of their ritzy compound. Joining me right now,

178
00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,560
Speaker 1: form an NYPD, John Cardillo, John, I don't believe this

179
00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,880
Speaker 1: is just over lay in lord tennett, you know, just

180
00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:11,560
Speaker 1: blastom lady h much less some ritzy equestrian, high brow woman.

181
00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,679
Speaker 1: No over no, no, no, just the ranch. I'm not

182
00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,720
Speaker 1: buying that. I think there's more to it. You've seen

183
00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,000
Speaker 1: so many homicides way you and John. Yeah, I tend

184
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000
Speaker 1: to agree with you, Nancy, and I'll look at this,

185
00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,360
Speaker 1: uh in a dual fashion. I actually own horses myself.

186
00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,120
Speaker 1: I ride quite a bit. There's a lot of drama

187
00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,720
Speaker 1: out at the barn. People get very upset over the

188
00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,000
Speaker 1: littlest things. Wait a minute, that sounds like an episode

189
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,880
Speaker 1: of something drama out at the barn. Go ahead. The

190
00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,760
Speaker 1: corbies will tell you though. I mean the one one

191
00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,559
Speaker 1: girl puts her horse in a pasture with someone else's

192
00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,680
Speaker 1: and the horses kick each other. There's a little cut.

193
00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,880
Speaker 1: My god, you you would think they ran over each

194
00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,360
Speaker 1: other's kids. It's it's there's a lot of drama. So

195
00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,920
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. But everybody on the call is correct,

196
00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,560
Speaker 1: from the corbys to the doctors. It doesn't your net

197
00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,080
Speaker 1: worth doesn't matter. Look at Jeff Epps right, Your network

198
00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,120
Speaker 1: doesn't matter as to whether or not you can be

199
00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,520
Speaker 1: a heinous criminal. But I do think this was over

200
00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,640
Speaker 1: more than Hey, I no longer want you to train here.

201
00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 1: And as I read the history, in the fact pattern

202
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:17,040
Speaker 1: of the case, we had these allegations. Now that in

203
00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,680
Speaker 1: itself deserves to investigate. What allegations The allegations that the

204
00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,520
Speaker 1: victim made it against barisone that he had abuse, sexually

205
00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,640
Speaker 1: molested his children, things of that nature. Okay, stop everything,

206
00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:37,800
Speaker 1: stop everything. Cardillo has just struck a nerve. You just

207
00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:47,960
Speaker 1: cut the chase, right, Dave mac Hello, Carmolne emphasis, investigative reporter. Investigate,

208
00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,840
Speaker 1: you investigate, then you report I didn't hear anything about

209
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,800
Speaker 1: claims of sex abuse. Why did I get that from

210
00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,880
Speaker 1: John Cardillo? Dave mac investigative reporter. The very reason you

211
00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,080
Speaker 1: got that from John and me is because when this

212
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,920
Speaker 1: was discussed at his bail hearing, Okay, when Barrosone was

213
00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,040
Speaker 1: in court, it was all about a tenant landlord issue.

214
00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,240
Speaker 1: That was their argument. However, in the week before this

215
00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,360
Speaker 1: shooting occurred Nancy, there were six calls by police to

216
00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,960
Speaker 1: the farm. Lauren Canterac had made a number of complaints

217
00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,240
Speaker 1: against Barrosone as her landlord about the condition of the

218
00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,440
Speaker 1: home and that he was violating codes. But another call

219
00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,360
Speaker 1: was made to the New Jersey version of Child Protective

220
00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,080
Speaker 1: Services where canteract. And now this is purely us guessing

221
00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,600
Speaker 1: as to what she said. We know she made a

222
00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,040
Speaker 1: call to Child Protective Services. We don't know what she alleged,

223
00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,200
Speaker 1: but we know that about an hour before the shooting occurred,

224
00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,720
Speaker 1: New Jersey Child Protective Services were in They were there

225
00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,320
Speaker 1: at the farm interviewing Barrisone about his potential abuse of

226
00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,920
Speaker 1: his future step children. He's engaged to a woman who

227
00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,440
Speaker 1: has minor chill drin. As soon as New Jersey CPS

228
00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,640
Speaker 1: leaves the property, he marches out to the house. It's

229
00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,680
Speaker 1: a two story house in the middle of his property,

230
00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,480
Speaker 1: and he walks out there and confronts Lauren counteract and

231
00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,920
Speaker 1: her fiance, Rob Goodwin. That's what happened. That's what led

232
00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,600
Speaker 1: up to this actual shooting. So this is not over rent.

233
00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,800
Speaker 1: This is not over rent at all. I knew it.

234
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,800
Speaker 1: I knew it, and I knew it. Hold on, guys,

235
00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm being joined right now by Stephen Corby right now,

236
00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,440
Speaker 1: lawyer in an niche area, an expert in safe sport.

237
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,360
Speaker 1: Stephen Corby, you know, at first Blush people may think, well,

238
00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,240
Speaker 1: he had a weapon in his barn for some reason

239
00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,640
Speaker 1: and it went off. That's not what happened at all.

240
00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,400
Speaker 1: But I want your opinion on what went down and

241
00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,400
Speaker 1: way in on how this relates to safe sports. Stephen Corby, Well,

242
00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,320
Speaker 1: I think it's important Nancy to look at the timeline

243
00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 1: of events that occurred in bleeding up to the shooting.

244
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,440
Speaker 1: So right before, only a few days before the shooting occurred.

245
00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:11,160
Speaker 1: Another Olympian was banned permanently by Safe Sport, George Morris

246
00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,879
Speaker 1: who was given a lifetime band due to allegations of

247
00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,920
Speaker 1: sexual assault on miners, and the victim in this case

248
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,679
Speaker 1: had made comments on Facebook that she was interested or

249
00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,879
Speaker 1: maybe even had contacted Safe Sport to tell them about

250
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,040
Speaker 1: some things that barrisone had allegedly done. And so in

251
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,360
Speaker 1: his mind he's thinking, well, if I get banned, that's

252
00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,440
Speaker 1: my entire livelihood. And this other Olympian who's even bigger

253
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,160
Speaker 1: than I am, just got banned for life after other

254
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,680
Speaker 1: allegations of the sort. So this is only a couple

255
00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,520
Speaker 1: days later. And what you have to know about Safe

256
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,880
Speaker 1: Sport Nancy is it was put in place after everything

257
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,399
Speaker 1: happened with the horrible Larry nass Or situation, and it

258
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,639
Speaker 1: got moved over, and it covers all Olympians, and it

259
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,960
Speaker 1: also now covers the entire United States Equestrian Foundation or Federation,

260
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,520
Speaker 1: and so its purpose is mainly to investigate claims of

261
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,720
Speaker 1: sexual assault of members or by members in that community

262
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,960
Speaker 1: and to determine whether or not they can continue to

263
00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,879
Speaker 1: stay a part of the organization. And for some of

264
00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,200
Speaker 1: these big guys, if they can't be a part of

265
00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:28,760
Speaker 1: the organization anymore, they lose millions, millions of dollars Crime

266
00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:35,959
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, doctor Bethany Marshall joining me psychoanalyst

267
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,560
Speaker 1: out of LA This shooting victim absolutely beautiful. I'm looking

268
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,000
Speaker 1: at a photo of her right now. She looks, like

269
00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,240
Speaker 1: she said, like a cucktail party in a slinky black dress.

270
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:53,320
Speaker 1: Just beautiful and a renowned equestrian. That doesn't happen overnight,

271
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,240
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. She didn't just get there overnight, but she

272
00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,360
Speaker 1: walked in fear team. In the morning, there was like

273
00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 1: a very very suspicious looking vehicle that came in to

274
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,920
Speaker 1: the driveway going very slowly with a large STUV and

275
00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,120
Speaker 1: it was going very slowly. I just texted the bar owner,

276
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,440
Speaker 1: how are you calling about the sedition vehicle? Now? Yeah,

277
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 1: it just came back. Okay, hold on, we're weapons involter

278
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 1: mentioned Um no, it all happened. Was just blacked out

279
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,080
Speaker 1: STV with like some guys smoking a cigarette in the front.

280
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 1: Who had you never came before except for last night,

281
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,920
Speaker 1: three fifteing in the morning and we overheard them talking

282
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 1: about like, uh, getting guys who like hurt us, kill

283
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 1: us whatever. We spold it to the officers Stephan noon

284
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 1: and they know how we have diffistication and everything. Are

285
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 1: you or anyone else in danger right now? I'm out?

286
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 1: Says here it again about what are you anyone else

287
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: in danger right now? We feel very much that you

288
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,679
Speaker 1: could be you. Just nine one one and listen to

289
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: one of her posts. I'm being bullied by a six

290
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 1: foot three inch men, bullied to the point I'm afraid

291
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 1: another post. Some people in life seem to feel they

292
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 1: are untouchable by anyone. They feel that just because they

293
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 1: have one accomplishment under their belt, that everyone will believe

294
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 1: every word they say. I must be very careful and

295
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 1: take every single legal precaution I can, as well as

296
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 1: employ every resource to rectify this. Everything from my life, livelihood,

297
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 1: and even my writing career have all been threatened should

298
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 1: I refuse to adhere to the things I've been being

299
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: put through constantly. Those are some of her post doctor Bethany. Wow. Wow.

300
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: You know what that tells me, Nancy, is that he

301
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: was obsessed with her. He was violating her rights. And

302
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: we know if somebody, let's look at Harvey Weinstein, if

303
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 1: somebody has the kind of personality where they violate the

304
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: rights of others, where they lack empathy, they relate to

305
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: others on the basis of power. They want to exploit

306
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: and take advantage of other people. The more money and

307
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 1: the more wealth they have, the more access they have

308
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: to abusing everybody around them. And this Michael Barrozone may

309
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: have had something that we call obsessional paranoia. That is

310
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: the belief that somebody's presence here on earth, another person's

311
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 1: presence is there to humiliate you, hurt you, harm you

312
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: in some way, or is making your life worse in

313
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: some way. And people who have obsessional paranoia become preoccupied

314
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: with going after the victim to punish them. And you know, Nancy,

315
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: if she was writing about this on Facebook, she wanted

316
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: other people to know. I mean, she really did feel frightened.

317
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: It's it's not like she's just saying it to her

318
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: fiance at night. She is putting this out in a

319
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: public forum so people will know that if something happens

320
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: to her, it's because of Michael Barrosone. And it's interesting

321
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: she says he has one accomplishment. She has many accomplishments,

322
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 1: so keeps using this one accomplishment to have power over her.

323
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: So no, this is not a rental or tenant dispute.

324
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: This is somebody who wanted to have power over her

325
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: and wanted to punish her, and it escalated. Take a

326
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: listen to our friend at CBS two, Tierra Jaquay. According

327
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: to the complaint, when police arrived, they found Canteract's fiance

328
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: and Barrisone on the ground wrestling for the gun. After

329
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: Barrisone fired shots and missed. Barrisone was taken into custody

330
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: at the scene and reportedly stayed in multiple times to police,

331
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: quote I had a good life. The shooting taking place

332
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: just days after Lauren Caneract's close friend confirms to CBS

333
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: two she posted on her Facebook page quote, I'm being

334
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: bullied by a six three man, bullied to the point

335
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm afraid her neighbors at a loss for words. Stuff

336
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: like that doesn't happen around here, So that's odd and

337
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: he's right. Our town has been fortunate that for the

338
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 1: last four or five years, we've actually been listed as

339
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: one of the most the safest towns in the nation,

340
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: according to the Morris County Prosecutor's Office. Michael Barrisone is

341
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: being evaluated at a local hospital. Actually, Wilcott Judge trial

342
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: lawyer at Scott dot com. Have you noticed how rich

343
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: and educated people don't think crime can ever enter their neighborhood.

344
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking during this They don't

345
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: think it can enter their neighborhood. But here's the other

346
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: half of it. Sometimes those are the very people that

347
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: think they're beyond the law, that they can get away

348
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: with it because they have such such a belief that

349
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: they're right, everybody else is wrong, and they're untouchable, you know.

350
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, professor of forensics at

351
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet

352
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: on Amazon, Joe Scott, I find these postings to be

353
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: very probative as to the victim's state of mind at

354
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: the time she was shot. Now, whether they could come

355
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: into evidence as a whole another can of worms, that's

356
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: an evidentiary matter. But I find them very probitive. What

357
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: else jumps out at you as forensic proof in this case, well,

358
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: obviously the shooting itself. Nancy is going to give you

359
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: an idea of the relationship physical relationship between them relative

360
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: to things like range of fire. The police officer that

361
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: was calling in on the radio had said, it looks

362
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: like the subject has sustained two very close range gunshot wounds.

363
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: But you got to dig a little bit deeper, Nancy,

364
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: with these statements. This cuts both ways. This person is

365
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: saying she's being bullied. This person is filing claims relative

366
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: to things like you know, city city ordinance violations, and

367
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: she's actually going out there saying this man is a

368
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: sexual predator. And you know, I gotta tell you, Nancy,

369
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: it seems as though she's throwing a lot of stuff

370
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: against the wall relative to this man's life to see

371
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: what's going to stick. Yeah, she's saying that he had

372
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: one accomplishment. Well, another major comp is he's a businessman.

373
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: He runs, he runs this facility. And when it comes

374
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: down to it, these people very well may have been

375
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: squatting and have been kneeling him all these years or

376
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: all these months just taking advantage of how okay, so

377
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: all these months, if they can't take an advantage of him,

378
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: that tests one of your working theories. But then when

379
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: she reports alleged sex abuse on his part, then he

380
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: suddenly shoots her. Mmm. Interesting In keeping with Jeff Scott

381
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: Morgan's working theory, Take a listen to Barrison's defense lawyer

382
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: Jeff Simson fifty four years. Mister Barrison has not had

383
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: a blemish of his rectory. We also know him that

384
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: it is well known within the community. He owns the

385
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: property on which the Whig victims or squatters judge we're

386
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: asked to. We've numerous judges have taken over the property.

387
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: Why do you say you characterize them a squatter? Squatters

388
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: in the law has a particularly connotation different than tenants,

389
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: lawful tenants. That's my understanding. It's my understanding. You can

390
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: correct me from the long What was the nature of

391
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: the relationship ud standing on the property? Our relationship was

392
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: Joseph what they were finished training the horses. They were

393
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: no longer be allowed to stay on the pro Was

394
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: that written the name Lee SIGNI I don't believe so.

395
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: But these people have not paid right. When I say squatters, judge,

396
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: I mean squatters simply because they were no longer allowed

397
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: to be on their property pursuit of their verbal agreement

398
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: with mister prison. So I'm so glad they said that.

399
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: That That really cleared everything up for me. So they're squatters.

400
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: So he shot her twice in the chest. You know what,

401
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's how the eviction process is supposed

402
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: to work straight out to Stephen Corby, not only an

403
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: expert in safe sport but lawyer as well. Stephen Corby,

404
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: what about it? Yeah, I completely agree with you, Nancy.

405
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm actually a bit surprised that the Defense Council focused

406
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: so much on that that would justify any of the

407
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: actions that occurred. In fact, if anything, it just goes

408
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: further to show that his own client was frustrated at

409
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: the process because he believes that they are squatters instead

410
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: of lawful tenants. But you know, the relationship between these

411
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: parties goes back pretty far. It sounds like the victim

412
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: had been training horses with barrisone in twenty eighteen as

413
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: well throughout the whole summer, and had trained at the

414
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: beginning of this summer as well, and some of these

415
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: problems it looks like didn't start until the end of

416
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: June or July. And when you're talking about moving this

417
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: many horses and you've been at a facility for so long,

418
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: of course you can't get immediately out. And so even

419
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: without a contract, I don't see how there wouldn't be

420
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: a landlord tenant relationship that would require some sort of

421
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: lawful eviction clime stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah, I own

422
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: this place. Who have been living on this place and

423
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: were told h knocking in the horse barn after I'm

424
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: being and they're in the horse barns. They're scumbags and

425
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: I want them warned. They have cased us out of

426
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: our house and I need this still with tonight, you

427
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: were just hearing a series of nine one one calls,

428
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: calls that were brewing before the double shooting went down,

429
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: to suggest that he shot them because they were squatters.

430
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: That's not self defense. That is shooting out of anger

431
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: or revenge. That equals in many cases murder charges when

432
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: you shoot someone out of anger or revenge. Take a

433
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: listen to what the prosecutor there in Morris County says

434
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: Christopher Shellhorn. She sustained two gunstout wounds to the to

435
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: the torso judge, she is receiving excellent medical tree even

436
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: have Worstown Medical Center. As we've come to know through

437
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: other cases, the second victim, RG has returned to the residents.

438
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: He's continued to care for the horses that are on

439
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 1: the property, has continued to maintain that I guess association

440
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: and with the stables certainly there is a real danger

441
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: to the victims here. The defendant went there on August

442
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: seven with a particular goal in mind, and that was

443
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: he could not find resolution through the civil courts, He

444
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: could not find resolution through the police, and he went

445
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: there that day with an intention to find resolution by

446
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: murdering his adversaries. You know, this woman sustains two gunshots

447
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: to the torso over what Dave Matt crime online dot

448
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter explain the timeline to me again just

449
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: before the shooting. Well, what we know, Nancy, is that

450
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: just before the shooting, the New Jersey version of Child

451
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Protective Services actually was on the premises doing a one

452
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: on one interview with Michael Barrisone. They were there discussing

453
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: his future step children, the children the minor children of

454
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: his fiance. After they left, that's when Michael Barrisone grabbed

455
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: that black and pink gun and went to confront Lauren

456
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: Canteract and her fiance Rob Goodwin. So, bottom line, how

457
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: do we prove or disprove this to you, Doctor Bethany Marshall,

458
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: psychoanis joining me out of la Doctor Bethany, what do

459
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: you make of the sequence of the events and now

460
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: she's fighting for her life in a hospital bed. Well,

461
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: I think that there are no perfect victims. Obviously they

462
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: were playing into the situation with Barrisone in some way,

463
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: but look, only one person pulled a trigger. That is

464
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: the perpetrator, and that tells me that he is the

465
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: one who had the homicidal thoughts. He is the one

466
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: who's mostly at fault. It seems like, you know, sometimes

467
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: people can fight, but they don't really understand completely what

468
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: they're fighting about. And it seems to me that the

469
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: three of these three individuals were engaged in some vicious

470
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: fight that we, as the outsiders, cannot be privy to.

471
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: And the fight may have even been about the horses,

472
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: like how well the horses were cared for. It could

473
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: have been about values and ethics that they felt that

474
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: they were better, you know, Horsey people than Barrisone was,

475
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: or they didn't like the way he was taking care

476
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: of the property, or maybe they became obsessed with the

477
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: new stepchildren and that he was going to violate them.

478
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: But there was some colossal war taking place between the

479
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: three of them over something that we cannot know about.

480
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: It is not about tenants rights, it is really not

481
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: and I don't think it was about the step children.

482
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: It was probably some ideology, but I think that when

483
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: they reported him as a possible perpetrator to the stepchildren,

484
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: they were taking something precious away from him, which was

485
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: this potential marriage. And we know when somebody's already homicidal

486
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: and they're about to face a big loss, they become

487
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: even more homicidal. So I think that that was the

488
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: final precipitating event before he went over and shot her

489
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: twice in the chess. He wanted to kill her, Nancy,

490
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: he shot her in and the chess he aimed to kill,

491
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: and not once but twice. To Deanna Corby, jassage trainer

492
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: and expert, Deanna, it's hard for regular people like me,

493
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of us, to relate to this world,

494
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: this elite world of multi millionaires equestrian experts in that

495
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: culture are the coaches and the trainers like Demi Gods, Well,

496
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: how do they get away with it? Well, yeah, they

497
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of are like celebrities. Michael Barrison is a highly

498
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: accomplished and sought after Olympic level dressage trainer and he

499
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: actively trains many many students and in these instructor trainer

500
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: and student relationships, the relationship becomes really really close because

501
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: the large amount of time that they're spent together and

502
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: the trust that's required to work together. So here you

503
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: are as a student trusting your trainer, spending a ton

504
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: of time with the trainer. You admire this person, you

505
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: want to learn from this person, you want to be

506
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: like this person, and you sort of become jaded in

507
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: your vision of that person, or you can become jaded

508
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: in your vision of that person because that person that

509
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: you're training with is your idol. So it's easy to

510
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: overlook things. I guess, Stephen Corby, what will happen now,

511
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Stephen Corby with me, lawyer and renowned expert in safe sport, Nancy. Yeah,

512
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: so I agree that I think it's very unlikely to

513
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: be a landlord tenant issue. I don't think that that's

514
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: probably what triggered it, and I think your instincts are

515
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: right there. You know again, I think this is really

516
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: about the accusations of child abuse and how it ties

517
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: in with the safe sport world because of the loss

518
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: of livelihood and possibly the loss of a significant amount

519
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: of money. And to your point earlier than you asked

520
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: about why people allow these these trainers to really have

521
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: so much power, and why they don't speak up against them.

522
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: And it's and that's the whole reason the Safe Sport exists.

523
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: It's because people were afraid to make allegations or accusations

524
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: against persons because then they would be ostracized in their

525
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: communities and possibly not allowed to train with other famous professionals.

526
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: And so it was this real big fear of silence,

527
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: and so Safe Sport came along and said, Okay, make

528
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: your accusations to us, we'll investigate, we'll keep everything quiet,

529
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: we won't let anyone say anything about the accusers or

530
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: the victims, and will make an independent termination that won't

531
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: harm your future career. And that's the reason it's really

532
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: been put into places to help make people feel safe

533
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: in making these accusations. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to make

534
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: the victim, Lauren here in the situation safe. Dave Mack,

535
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: this guy um now sitting behind bars, a US equestrian olympian,

536
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: after do you know, pounding this woman with at least

537
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: two gunshot wounds to the Torso I think it was

538
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: about money. I think it was about the alleged sex allegations.

539
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: But I think more than that. I really believe it's

540
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: about status and reputation and the way he perceives he's

541
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: viewed in this rarefied equestrian community. I think that's what

542
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: he didn't want. He didn't want to be embarrassed by

543
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: her and her claims. I think that was the motive.

544
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. See, Lauren had been around

545
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: Barrisone for a long time, and apparently there were no complaints.

546
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, in

547
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: the last couple of months, one complaint after another. It

548
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: was just throwing It was like throwing complaints against a wall.

549
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing

550
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,