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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout. Three and Out is his

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Speaker 2: podcast every Sunday night. We chop it up probably forty

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Speaker 2: five of the fifty two weeks. Here we chop it.

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Speaker 3: Up for an hour. You know, he deserves some time

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Speaker 3: off once in a while.

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Speaker 2: So the NFL Draft over the course of the weekend.

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Speaker 2: So my one take about the draft, well I got several,

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Speaker 2: but my first one is Dallas didn't draft a running

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Speaker 2: you know, Jerry hasn't been to a Super Bowl in

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Speaker 2: on almost three decades. So what Jerry doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: do is get trapped with Dak Prescott. And I thought

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Speaker 2: it was strategic. I thought that was Jerry Jones saying, listen,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna rely on you Dak this year. We're not

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Speaker 2: giving you all this, AMMO. We're going to rebuild the

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Speaker 2: offensive line. You'll get protection, but in a contract year,

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Speaker 2: the last thing I'm gonna do is load you up

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Speaker 2: with weapons. Dak's production's absolutely gonna come down. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they just don't have a running back of note on

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Speaker 2: They're not tanking the year. They'll be a good football team.

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Speaker 2: But it felt strategic to me to not address running

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Speaker 1: I'm torn because it's hard for me to be critical

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Speaker 1: bad running back draft. But let's face it, Colin, until

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Speaker 1: they give him a contract extension, which they should not.

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Speaker 1: To me, this is him and McCarthy are playing for

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Speaker 1: three years he was atrocious I mean, he was really

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Speaker 1: So can you give Dak Prescott fifty five million dollars

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Speaker 1: I underno, And he's better than Tua. But I say

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question and listen, there's a

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Speaker 2: with Keenan Allen, DeAndre Swift, Gerald Everett, Caleb Williams and Romadonze.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I listen, it's hard not to like Chicago.

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Speaker 1: And they should be good because last year they could

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Speaker 1: have been a playoff team if their quarterback could have

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Speaker 3: They're also going to have a fourth place schedule, so

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Speaker 3: that helps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And divisions hard. The division's hard. It might be

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Speaker 2: I think offensively. I've said this. I think last time

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's just stars everywhere. And I also thought,

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Speaker 2: He's a big kid six three, two twenty, not a

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Speaker 2: that division, You know, it's really interesting about Chicago, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: Isn't it a good example? He used Jason light They

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Speaker 1: the second playoff game with the Lions. So the quarterback position,

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Speaker 2: They're a little bit like Tampa. So back to back

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Speaker 2: So and I was texting with Tom te LESCo. Without

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Speaker 2: divulging too much, I said, what you should be rooting

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Speaker 2: Question now I think I think Jerry will re sign him.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you could win seven games, finished fourth,

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Speaker 1: I think it hit me on Friday because obviously we

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Speaker 1: They would have signed Kirk Cousins to one hundred million

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Speaker 1: And the Falcons would have signed Gardner Minshew or Sam

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Speaker 1: You just choose how you use them. Right. The reason

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Speaker 1: So using that money to sign Christian Wilkins, Well, the

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Speaker 1: Like part of the draft, the planning goes if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, it's it's it was odd and it's not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And his takeaway is We've got some really good

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Speaker 1: Secondly sick, which is very likely when you say it

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Speaker 2: So I almost feel like Ridder was so bad, Desmond

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Speaker 1: We're really not.

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Speaker 3: We're not paying any of them. They're all just kids.

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Speaker 2: Let's just let's just go get Cousins to ensure because

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Speaker 3: Pennis had a rollercoaster.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was red hot on him, then everybody bailed on him.

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Speaker 1: For sure, I got no issue taking them eight, zero

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Speaker 1: And this is not the other thing with Pennix is

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Speaker 1: even maybe more than Caleb, Like he's just a plug

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Speaker 1: and plagu he's twenty five, You're twenty four to twenty

434
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Speaker 1: five years old, Like what the hell? Like this is

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Speaker 1: not a Jordan Love situation. And I think that's where

436
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Speaker 1: a lot of people the media can say whatever, but

437
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Speaker 1: like the league's pushing back because it's just like a

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Speaker 1: it's a very bizarre situation. I think it does reflect

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Speaker 1: the organization who's like, oh, yeah, Belichick, we're too good

440
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Speaker 1: for Belichick. It's Frank, who the fuck are you guys?

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Speaker 3: Now, I listen.

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Speaker 2: I mean at times I called it illogical and on

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Speaker 2: its surface, you know, my take was Friday is listen is.

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Speaker 1: I think it's financially illogical more than football illogical, right.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm just this is the worst division in football.

446
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Speaker 2: I think they have the best quarterback and maybe the

447
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Speaker 2: best backup in the league. I'm like, it make mistakes

448
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Speaker 2: at that position, just go for it. I'm okay with it,

449
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: but it but it And it Also what's interesting, I

450
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Speaker 2: would have much more of a problem because I think

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Speaker 2: they paid what did they paid Cousins one for Was

452
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Speaker 2: it like one hundred and forty?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I think the fake number was closer

454
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Speaker 1: to one to eighty. But they gave him one hundred

455
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Speaker 1: true guaranteed money and like basically seventy million dollars over

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Speaker 1: the next eighteen months, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it's very front loaded. What worries me is that

458
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Speaker 2: Dak and Tua, with their current teams, will want double that.

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Speaker 2: So I always feel like with Cousins might take it's

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Speaker 2: all front loaded. If Thanksgiving of the second year you're

461
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Speaker 2: done with him, you're fine. Dak wants a five year deal,

462
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Speaker 2: and it's like pan three point fifty for Dak is.

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Speaker 1: Literally a I'm with you there. I'd rather give Cousins

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Speaker 1: one hundred than Dak to fifty. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if all the bad things you can do,

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Speaker 2: I can live with a year and a half of

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Speaker 2: Cousins on the field competing.

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Speaker 3: I can live with them.

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Speaker 2: top cards and more. You know, I thought Harball was

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Speaker 2: going to have U there were going to be more

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Speaker 2: fireworks with the chargers. I did think they got a

489
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Speaker 2: couple of really interesting pieces, a couple of small school guys.

490
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Speaker 2: But I think by and large, the Joe allpick was

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Speaker 2: interesting because they have a left tackle. Though Slater had

492
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Speaker 2: an injury and all, it's kind of an He's an athlete,

493
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Speaker 2: he was a high school basketball player. He's he's moved around,

494
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Speaker 2: he's been a he's a very good apple.

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Speaker 1: You see the pictures after we got off of him

496
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Speaker 1: sitting with his family. How massive that human being is.

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Speaker 2: So it's one of those things where I never bought

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Speaker 2: into them taking a wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't buy And everybody's mock draft have them

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Speaker 3: at receiver, and I'm thinking.

501
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Speaker 2: That's just not what They're not going to get. Some

502
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Speaker 2: skinny kid from LSU who's so I mean to me,

503
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Speaker 2: the pick made sense. But I didn't think the Chargers

504
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Speaker 2: had that many fireworks. I thought they did this basic stuff,

505
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Speaker 2: played in the gym. You know, I think they got

506
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Speaker 2: a linebacker, if I recall from the Michigan Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't think there was a ton of

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Speaker 2: fireworks with the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is most people, up until the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks when I think a lot of

511
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Speaker 1: people around the NFL like Gym's not taking a wide receiver, guys,

512
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Speaker 1: So we can stop talking about that. But even the

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Speaker 1: second pick in Lad McConkie, you know a lot of

514
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Speaker 1: people have been like, go get Herbert, go trade up

515
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Speaker 1: and get a Savior worthy or you know, get Keon Coleman,

516
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Speaker 1: the guy that Bills took, and he took Lad McConkey.

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Speaker 1: You know who's gonna end up to me being more

518
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: Edelman Wes Welker can play right in the slot receiver.

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Speaker 1: Jim's not into this sexy football. He's not trying to

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Speaker 1: be you know, Lane Kiffin or Lincoln Riley. That's not

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Speaker 1: the way he coaches. He coaches like he's prepared to

522
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Speaker 1: pay play Mike Ditka and Joe Gibbs back in nineteen

523
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Speaker 1: eighty eight. And that's the way that's been successful up

524
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Speaker 1: into him three months ago when he won the national championship. Fundamentally,

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Speaker 1: that's and I think when he said we view offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman as weapons, he's not making a joke. He's being

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Speaker 1: serious as a hard attack because he truly believes that.

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Speaker 1: So justin Herbert, like they are, I'm actually a little

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Speaker 1: shocked that they didn't get Blake Korum. I'm pissed the

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Speaker 1: Rams and I love that pick, but that it's just

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Speaker 1: he's going to the football is going to look no

532
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Speaker 1: different than if you pull up Stanford year one in eight.

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Speaker 1: It's going to look the exact same. And it looked

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Speaker 1: the same into the forty nine ers. Early on in

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Speaker 1: Michigan he changed for a minute. Remember when he hired Gaddis,

536
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Speaker 1: spread guy from alb and he hated it and he

537
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Speaker 1: hated it. And then who became his right hand man,

538
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Speaker 1: Sharon Moore? What's the an O line coach? And that

539
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Speaker 1: guy became the head. Those are the people he likes.

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Speaker 1: You see these videos coming out of him at the

541
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Speaker 1: at the trailer park. It was not the trailer park,

542
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Speaker 1: but you know where he lived right with Greg Roman.

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Speaker 1: What do they talk about running game? Offensive linemen, they're

544
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Speaker 1: all that hybrid of the ravens of him. They're all interconnected.

545
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Speaker 1: And I'm just honestly, if you would have told me

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Speaker 1: he would have drafted all offensive and defensive linemen, those

547
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Speaker 1: were the only picks, no wide receivers two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: I would have believed you. I mean, that's not how

549
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Speaker 1: it played out. But he thinks he can win. If

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Speaker 1: he's winning at that group, he can figure the rest

551
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Speaker 1: out through I would say psychological and physical warfare because

552
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Speaker 1: he wants to shove you around. And let's face it,

553
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Speaker 1: most teams in the NFL, you know, when you look

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Speaker 1: at like once we get to the final four of

555
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Speaker 1: the final eight, it's a lot of physical teams and

556
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Speaker 1: the soft team. Some teams that can score, they got

557
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Speaker 1: no shot. They got no shot. And you look at

558
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Speaker 1: the final four, who wasn't It was the Niners, it

559
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: was the Ravens, it was the Chiefs. What have the

560
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Speaker 1: lions become under Dan Campbell? Dan Campbell's got a little

561
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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh in him. Yeah right, And I would say

562
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Speaker 1: they throw it a little more than Jim. But that's

563
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Speaker 1: part of It's their weapons. Saint Brown's a fantastic player,

564
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Speaker 1: but it starts with the offensive and defensive lines with them,

565
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Speaker 1: and that's where they've invested the last couple years. Even

566
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Speaker 1: Saint Brown, Jim would love Saint Brown. So with Kyle Shanahan,

567
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Speaker 1: he's their type, breaks tackles, He's not some sexy outside

568
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Speaker 1: wide receiver despite his stats.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what the Rams have done the last

570
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Speaker 2: two years o line. They paid two guards. I mean

571
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Speaker 2: the Rams said, we're gonna pay guards and their receivers.

572
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Speaker 2: Pooka breaks tackles, Cooper Cup breaks tackles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know it's funny. People tend to.

574
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Speaker 2: Think offensive coaches are clever and they want finesse. But

575
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: McVeigh changed his offense to more power running. That's why

576
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Speaker 2: Korum was so valuable. They needed Kyra and Williams, they

577
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Speaker 2: needed a backup. They invested an interior line. Shanahan likes

578
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Speaker 2: physical football. Harball likes physical football. Andy Reid is a little.

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Speaker 3: He's he's unique around.

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Speaker 2: He's a little bit. I almost put him in just

581
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Speaker 2: a different class. It's like there are certain people in

582
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Speaker 2: every sport that just don't.

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Speaker 1: Like But think about when that when they picked, when

584
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Speaker 1: they pivot, when they pivoted off Tyreek Hill, what did

585
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: they do. They've drafted uh McDuffie and Karlovskis with their

586
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: two picks right away. So he's invested heavily on that

587
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Speaker 1: side of the ball this year. Xavier Worthy, he was

588
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: too hard for them to pass up with the speed.

589
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Speaker 1: But I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: So I went and it was interesting. I went and

591
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Speaker 2: I went and looked at all my divisions. So we're

592
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: basically through it now. We have new coaches, we have

593
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Speaker 2: free agency staffs are all for that.

594
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Speaker 3: We have the draft, and.

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Speaker 2: I'll just do the first and last place teams and

596
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Speaker 2: stop me, this is.

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Speaker 1: What this is what you think coming up or this

598
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Speaker 1: was based on last year?

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Speaker 2: This this season? I have Buffalo first, New England last, Yes,

600
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: Baltimore first, Cleveland last. Cleveland had a weird.

601
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Speaker 1: Draft since he since he could be a wild card there,

602
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: Burrows healthy.

603
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I put them second, Kansas City first, Raiders last,

604
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: tough division, Houston first, Tennessee's an easy last, Philly first,

605
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Speaker 2: I have Giants last. I'm with it, Detroit first, Minnesota last,

606
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: though it's close, Atlanta first, New Orleans last, or Carolina

607
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: kind of question mark. I have the Rams first, and

608
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: I have Seattle last. I think the Rams are I

609
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: thought they really nailed their first four picks. I thought

610
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: they really Yeah, is anything so we can argue about

611
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: the second and third teams, but any of those first

612
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Speaker 2: and last you would push back on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about McVeigh because I thought he's a

614
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Speaker 1: good example what Kyle and Andy and these offensive coaches

615
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: have invested in physical players because they know that they

616
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Speaker 1: can scheme guys open. And he invests his first pick

617
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Speaker 1: in Verse, who's been a few as a first rounder

618
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Speaker 1: this whole year. They heard him, they loved him, this

619
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Speaker 1: second round pick. One of the guy. When I started

620
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: at Fresno State, we had a student assistant who has

621
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Speaker 1: worked his way up and he's been with Oregon State.

622
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Speaker 1: He's been the GM for Florida State for like the

623
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Speaker 1: last three years. And he's Derek Ray. He's you know,

624
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: if we talked about college gms like we do NFL GMC,

625
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Speaker 1: I mean, look at his draft. I mean how many

626
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: guys at Florida State were has picked. He's done a

627
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Speaker 1: great job working hand in hand with Norvel. I said,

628
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Speaker 1: what this Brandon Fisk guy, Brandon Fisk tell me about him?

629
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Speaker 1: He said, think Max Crosby. But inside, so their first

630
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Speaker 1: two picks, you know, we know that's how Verse kind

631
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: of plays power, That's what this guy plays. So you're

632
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: never going to replace Aaron Donald. But they go back

633
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Speaker 1: to back picks basically in what fifteen to twenty pick,

634
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: because they traded up, they got they got Fisk in

635
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Speaker 1: the top forty, so they invest immediately and they get

636
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Speaker 1: Blake korm who if he's healthy. We've seen how this

637
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: guy was a heartbeat of one of the better college

638
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: football programs we've seen over the last twenty years. I mean,

639
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: it's like Jim Harbaugh's favorite player since Frank Gore. So

640
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: I think the gap shrunk a little bit. And I

641
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: think Kyle Shanahan showed you something drafting that wide receiver

642
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: in the first round. Deebo Samuel could not get open

643
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: to Super Bowl. He can't run routes. And I'm not

644
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: trying to talk about dede Ball. I love him. He's

645
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff he does in football. I admire

646
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: a lot the physicality, the ability to make plays, but

647
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: he is limited as a wide receiver. He can't get open,

648
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: and I think Kyle was tired of him, and it's

649
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: not at this point in time, it's not going to change.

650
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: He kind of is what it is. So maybe Deebo,

651
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: moving forward, you're gonna be on this new kickoff return

652
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: guy and you'll kind of come in with McCaffrey in

653
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: the backfield. But we need to run. We need to

654
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: have wide receivers like a yuk who can run routes

655
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: and because like look at the Rams. They got a

656
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that can run routes. I can't scheme

657
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: up every single play. We got guys on defense, we

658
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: got guys on offense. But that they drafted Piersoll like

659
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: that clearly was something that rattle Shanahan, just like McVeigh, like,

660
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: we need to be even more physic if we're going

661
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: to get over that hump against all these great offenses.

662
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: And they double down. So I think I think those

663
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: two teams right there with the Lions, right there with

664
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: the Packers, right there with the Eagles. I gu it's

665
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: pretty clear with the NFC who's who the cream of

666
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: the crop is, right.

667
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I also think you have to

668
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: take this into consideration. Is Debo McCaffrey's had injuries in

669
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: his career, Trent Kittle, you can't have your four top

670
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: guys all feel like they're older than their age. Like

671
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: if you have Ayyuk is a kid, right, he's.

672
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: Just moving into his prime.

673
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: Doesn't get hurt off if you're going to move off

674
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: and next year they have to address left tackle because

675
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: Trent is a wall.

676
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: But I'm with you.

677
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: I look at the NFC and I think it's I mean,

678
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: the Rams were so much better than everybody thought. I

679
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: knew going into the weekend. They felt Brock Bauers could

680
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: start for him. Two of the defensive ends they thought

681
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: were really good, the Ucla kid and Jared Verse.

682
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: They love those two.

683
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: And then I knew they loved a couple different defensive

684
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: linemen and the Florida State guy Fisk is one of them.

685
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: And then I felt Blake Cole.

686
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I.

687
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: Knew they loved Korum, but I mean they when people

688
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: got on them for giving up a second round pick

689
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: and a fifth to move up, they really felt like

690
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: they needed two starters in the defensive line, a great

691
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: backup running back for Kien Williams, and a playmaking guy

692
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: in the back the Miami kid. Like they didn't have

693
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: a lot of needs, a lot of their stuff after

694
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: those picks. Interior lineman Kicker, the Texas receivers were the

695
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: a special teams guy, otherwise they would have taken Taj

696
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Washington from USC. They who they liked a lot, but

697
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: they needed a special teams guy. So I mean, I

698
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: think a lot of these teams come into the weekend,

699
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: the NFC teams, and the Rams are one of them.

700
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: I think people forget this for the elite teams, and

701
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: I consider the Rams in a group of about seven

702
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: or eight, they come in kind of thinking we need

703
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: two starters and like two really crucial productive backups.

704
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: But I've never had a.

705
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: Problem John with giving away picks to go get up

706
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: and get a guy. Now, when you were with the Eagles,

707
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: what was the theory on that, because I think all

708
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: the all the draft picks. Here's my point, Rams had

709
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 2: eleven picks. There's not eleven guys that can make the

710
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: team in this draft.

711
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Well, how he's going to be there forever? So he

712
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: balanced his short and long term better than anybody. It's

713
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: why they're always going up to get guys and then

714
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: may they made. They led the league in trades this year,

715
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: and they acquired a third, a fourth, and a fifth.

716
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: Sean McVay almost went to Amazon a year ago. You're

717
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: living in the present with this guy. You are doing

718
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: everything possible in twenty four to twenty five, hopefully twenty six.

719
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Is Sean McVeigh gonna be there in five years. I'm

720
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: with you. A lot of teams give away a second

721
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: round pick, little this is this is about the present

722
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: to me. They clearly the Niners the last couple of

723
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: years have been twelve thirteen, and there was a gap,

724
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, even between them last year. To me that

725
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: they're both eleven twelve win teams in the NFC, I

726
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: have no problem with trading up. One thing how he

727
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: did is acquiring the third, fourth, and fifth. He thought

728
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: because of this weird kind of couple of years, Fan

729
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: we've been on. With these extra years, a lot of

730
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: these guys, did you know to some of these guys

731
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: getting drafted started playing in twenty eighteen. I mean there

732
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: were guys. There was a Jayden Daniels video that went

733
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: viral of him throwing the ball to Brandon Ayuk against

734
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. You know, with Leonor playing corner for Oregon.

735
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: He's been on the Niners for like four years. So

736
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: it's all out of whack. Well, a lot of the

737
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: underclassmen this year who teams thought were gonna be from

738
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: anywhere from forty to like one hundred guys that would

739
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: have been drafted on the second day went back to

740
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: school for an nil. So the drafts viewed as a

741
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: little deeper next year, and I think some teams kind

742
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: of factored that in Sean McVay doesn't give a crap

743
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: about anything, a lot like Sean Payton. It's very much

744
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: these next couple of years and then we'll figure it

745
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: out that the aftermath. The one thing with the Rams

746
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: have going for him, and you hit on their team's

747
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: pretty young now, right, A lot like the Packers. I

748
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: don't view it now. They're quarterbacks aging, which is a

749
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: unique situation for them, and he's there's a lot of

750
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: wear and tear on those tires. But as we saw,

751
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: when Matt Stafford is upright and healthy, easy a top

752
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: five quarterback in the NFL.

753
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the you know, it was funny. I felt.

754
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: I felt the Bears and the Packers came out of

755
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: off season real winners. I thought the Rams came out

756
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: of this draft as real winners. Atlanta's his quirky and

757
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: time will tell I actually the pick I hated. I

758
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: thought they reached by almost a round on the defensive lineman,

759
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: which was a weird pick for them. That was the

760
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: one I'm like, oh yeah, I went to all I

761
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: went to all the draft profiles, I went to all

762
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: the mock drafts like that.

763
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Well, the Illinois defensive tackle goes a couple of picks later,

764
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: he was widely viewed as a top thirty player that

765
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: the Washington got.

766
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was just a miss. I mean,

767
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: if if Pennix ends up being great, we're gonna forget

768
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: about the Kirk Cousins deal very quickly. We're just not

769
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: even gonna We're not even gonna care about it. That

770
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: was just a bad pick. I thought Atlanta had a

771
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: weird last week. I I and I know people to

772
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: talk a lot about the Dallas Cowboys to the point

773
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: of exhaustion. I I thought Dallas had a weird draft,

774
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: and I thought Tennessee taking alignment. The Titans are a

775
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: mystery to me. So they take this Devonte sweat guy

776
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: from Texas. So when I went to the Chargers war

777
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: room years ago, they had a list of like eight

778
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: guys that were off the board. There was a drug issue.

779
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: There were no gohoses, Like, I don't know what the

780
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: hell Tennessee is doing like that. I mean to me,

781
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: that team needs players that will produce with no questions.

782
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: That may have been the weirdest pick of the weekend.

783
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: Well, to me, you have when you get a new

784
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: young head coach, you're in a position where you want

785
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: to be very a smooth transition. Look at Washington, a

786
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: lot of high character team captains, not screwing around. You

787
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: can eventually, I'm sure we'll get into Ballard. Take a

788
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: guy I think that had some question marks in the

789
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: second round when your team is full of team captain,

790
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: high character guys. The Titans a couple of years ago

791
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: drafted a Georgia offensive lineman who is one of the

792
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: biggest busts in recent memory. I think he's out of

793
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: the league, Wilson. And then to get a guy and listen,

794
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm not some moral high horse. That's not my style.

795
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: Drinking whatever. We've all made mistakes when we were young.

796
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of question marks with this

797
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: guy's drinking, and he admitted to it with teams, and

798
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: then three weeks before the draft, he gets a DUI

799
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon. Sunday afternoon, he weighs three hundred and

800
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: seventy pounds, So to get a dui over point one,

801
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: the amount of alcohol he has to take is a

802
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: lot different than me or you under two hundred pounds,

803
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: so you just start factoring that in. He was off

804
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: draft boards, not even a question off several draft boards,

805
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: just because like not even worth it. I've been to

806
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: Nashville twice, probably been a total of twelve or thirteen days.

807
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: I drank every single day I was there. It is

808
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: a party town. No, there is a lot going on.

809
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: It is much closer for people that haven't been there

810
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: to New Orleans or Vegas. Then most people realize there

811
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: was at and they play in their stadium is right

812
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: in the mix. So to have a guy it's one

813
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: thing if you're like, well, he fell to the fifth round.

814
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: This guy was a second round talent. Okay, they drafted

815
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: him right where his value. Who's going to go early

816
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: second round? Best case if everything off the field was clear,

817
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: because he's a run stop, you know, stopping defensive tackle,

818
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: not a pass rusher. I don't get it. When you

819
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: just had a character issue a couple of years ago

820
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: and this guy literally got a duy a month ago

821
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: and you already knew those were question marks, and you

822
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: have a brand new head coach.

823
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 3: Why would you screw with this?

824
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Why would you mess with it? I don't get it.

825
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I thought that was the worst pick of

826
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: the weekend. And I also think you're right. Nash Vegas

827
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: is what they call it. And I also think that

828
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: I was told years ago. It may have been my

829
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: Mike Lombardi when he was at FS one. Briefly he said, listen,

830
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: if you're in a port city, New York, you know,

831
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, Miami, it's Miami. Like those are livelier city.

832
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: There's more restaurants, there's more alcohol. Those are those are

833
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: port city is a fun Yeah, And he's like, you know,

834
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: Green Bay is different. If Sweat goes fourth round to

835
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: the Packers and you're like, well, he could be at

836
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: the Marriott Bar.

837
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: That's about it.

838
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: It does feel different than going second round of the Titans.

839
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: All stuff is circumstantial in this league, and so to me,

840
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: I think I've just gotten to the point with Tennessee.

841
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: I always thought they were well run. I think they're

842
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: a bit of a bit of an S show. I

843
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: really do. The last couple of years letting go of

844
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: Rabel and I know Mike. I've talked to Mike on

845
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: the phone, I've texted him. I don't think they know

846
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: what they're doing. I just do not think they know

847
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: what they're doing.

848
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: I like the new coach he brings his dad. I mean,

849
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: I was pretty bullish on what they're gonna do. But

850
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: this general manager, Ran Karthin. You know, he came out

851
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: and said a couple of weeks ago in his press conference,

852
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: this is my first draft, taking a shot at Mike, like,

853
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: no one let me do anything before. Like good luck, buddy.

854
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not He comes the forty nine

855
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: ers where they were not messing with this type stuff.

856
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: So to do it if it is your first quote

857
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: unquote draft, I just I can't get over It's one

858
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: thing like Dak Remember he got a Dewey or whatever

859
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: got in trouble, but everyone knew the character was not

860
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: a question. It's like, listen, he made a bad mistake,

861
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: stupid whatever, a guy with consistent character marks. When you

862
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: get in trouble for the draft, it's like absolutely no

863
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: chance I can trust you. Zero with a high pick

864
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: because I'm investing taking a guy in the top forty.

865
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: That's a valuable, valuable pick. I mean, some of those

866
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: guys in the from thirty two to thirty eight are

867
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: going to turn out to be some of the best

868
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: players in the draft. That happens every single year. So

869
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: to invest in that player after you got in trouble

870
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: in your city is like It's like the opposite of

871
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: what the Rams are doing, getting super right character. You know,

872
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: got guys that everyone swears my Like, what are we

873
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: talking about?

874
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: Then?

875
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: This is why I saw it at the combine. It's

876
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: so enlightening. You walk by and you just see like, yeah,

877
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: this team's got no shot. This team's got no shot.

878
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: This team from the circles around you, it's it's not

879
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: a fair fight.

880
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah I was. I spent the weekend.

881
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: I spent Saturday eight hours eating smoking cigars and cocktails

882
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: with Steve Kime. We had like one of the great

883
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: days of our lives. We found a cigar bar and

884
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: we just talked NFL, watched the draft and talk stories

885
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: and some of the stuff Steve Khime had to deal

886
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: with in Arizona. He was with him like twenty four years.

887
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: I mean, he got like the first scouting job up.

888
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: I don't think fans. I don't think fans realized two things.

889
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: One half of these owners are impossible to work with.

890
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 2: Just I mean, listen, Ballard is dealing with the most

891
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: impulsive guy in the league, bid Well, Woody Johnson. Woody

892
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: Johnson like beyond it would be like having the worst

893
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 2: boss of your life. Not really beholden to any corporate struck.

894
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: Who owns the company, has the unlimited money, and who's nuts.

895
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: Kime had to deal with stuff here on game day

896
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: and after games, parking space issues, when you got a

897
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: right tackle that his season ended. It's insane. And the

898
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: other thing is fans tend to think everybody's equally competent,

899
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, I mean, there are people in every industry,

900
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: including the NFL, that just they just.

901
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: Don't know what they're doing. And I think, I mean.

902
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: I there are power struggles going on with coaches. I

903
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: mean Bill Belichick his last five years when he controlled

904
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 2: the draft. I mean I talked to a GM over

905
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: the weekend who said, you wanted to do business with them?

906
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: Like Bill didn't really quite know what he was doing

907
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: in the personnel. He didn't really know exactly what he

908
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: was doing. He was a great coach, but you could

909
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: work him a little bit in personnel. So I think

910
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: you look at Tennessee right now and it just doesn't

911
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: look organized, you know, And I think this is I

912
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: think it's a I think it's a problem throughout the league.

913
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: I think I think some I mean, let's be honest,

914
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: the Raiders don't feel as buttoned up as Kansas City.

915
00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: I think everybody can see it.

916
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Chargers immediately get two guys one from

917
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: Baltimore and Jim Harbaugh and feel like they know what

918
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: they're doing right now. I always thought Tom's a good GM,

919
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: but the Brandon's Day element, it's hard because you have

920
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: to You can't just draft players you like that your

921
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: coaching staff doesn't like. So there's always a give and take.

922
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: But when you have I watched a lot of press

923
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: conferences after the draft on all the days, and McVeigh

924
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: had a really good take where he's like the symmetry

925
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: seven eight years into this make's doing business a lot

926
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: easier with the two of us and our scouts and

927
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: our coaches, like, we kind of know what we're doing now, right.

928
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: John Lynch and Kyle shanahan have been in a draft

929
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: room and Sean mcvahan, let's need for eight years together.

930
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: That's longer than Howie and Sirianni and a lot of

931
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: Brett Veach and Andy Reid have been together.

932
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: Now.

933
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: Javitch hasn't always been his GM for twenty plus years.

934
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: Right when the Ravens come on, you know, Ozzie knwsom

935
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: restired like five years ago. He still sits at the

936
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: head of the table. He sits at the head of

937
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: the table like where your dad or grandfather would sit.

938
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: Eric the Costa sits next to him. So it shows

939
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: their power dynamic. John Harbaugh has been the coach there

940
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: since what six o seven, Like they're just on the

941
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: same page.

942
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: I asked Steve Geim, I said, who's the best run

943
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: franchise in the league. He said Baltimore. He said Baltimore.

944
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: He said the owner is down in Florida, never medals

945
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: and powers his employees. He said Baltimore is.

946
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: They're well funded, so they have unlimited money.

947
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeap.

948
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: Totally supportive of Harbaugh, he said, you know, and Steve,

949
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: you're not going to throw people under the bus. But

950
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: he said, colin this a half of the gms in

951
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: the league are pulling their hair out six times a year.

952
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: You're just dealing with nonsense. And he said Baltimore. He

953
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: listed five or six. But he said Baltimore is as

954
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: well run as any organization. It starts with a very

955
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 2: competent owner, whose hands off, who spends the money. And

956
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: you know, because if you already think about it, John

957
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: the best business in America. I'll make an argument is

958
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: owning an NFL team.

959
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: I mean, think about that.

960
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Name another business that gets billions of dollars of free

961
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: advertising a year. Essentially, you're a TV show. Oracle's not

962
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: a TV show. Apple's not a.

963
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: TV Amazon's not. Well, Amazon kind of got into that business.

964
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like it's guarantee. Also, you don't know

965
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 2: if there's disruptions in tech and that Apple is late

966
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: on AI and Tim Cook gets fired, they plummet their stock.

967
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: You know, Dallas is going to be in Dallas. The

968
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: Cowboys are going to be in Dallas, and the Rams

969
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: are going to be in Los Angeles, and the Packers

970
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: are going to be in Green Bay. These are owning

971
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: an NFL team. It's the best business. There's thirty two

972
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: in America. Some are the Jags, some are the Steelers.

973
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: But and these owners know it. I mean, they know

974
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: it it is I mean, and they're old school guys.

975
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: And I just pitched the show the other day to AMC,

976
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: A football show with a protagonist being the general manager.

977
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 2: And it's without going into too much detail, basically it's juggling.

978
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: It's a it's a GM juggling a meddaling owner, a

979
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: high profile coach whose wife's a therapist. The quarterback sort

980
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: of Aaron Rodgers, prickly who's hitting on the coach his

981
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: wife's daughter, you know. And it's as I'm doing it.

982
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: And this thing has Netflix written all over it.

983
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Well, as I'm doing it and writing these stories, and

984
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: I gave it to a couple of gms, They're like, oh,

985
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: you can take bigger swings.

986
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: It's crazier than this.

987
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: You're not being crazy enough.

988
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: No, they were like, well that's a six. Let me

989
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: tell you a story that's way worse than this. So

990
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: when you watch the draft and you watch what people do,

991
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: this is like any other industry. There's really a lot of.

992
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: Chaos and nonsense and incompetence.

993
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: So, well, look at Ballard, who I think is one

994
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: of the better gms. Is Ballard, Yeah, because we talked

995
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: about his draft, but his owner right now is having

996
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: saying things that I was not under the influence. I

997
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: did not have an overdose. That's what he's dealing with.

998
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: Skuy owns the team. We talked about his first round

999
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: pick a lot too. His second round pick. He went

1000
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: on that rant about the character stuff I think it

1001
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: was after he drafted Mitchell, the wide receiver from Texas

1002
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: rap Sheet came on NFL Network and basically said his

1003
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: interviews had been terrible. He sounded disinterested and I don't

1004
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: think he's just making that up, and then Ballard got

1005
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: kind of pushed back against it. I do think this.

1006
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: I would say Chris's team, he probably of all the

1007
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: good gms in the league, does not mess with character

1008
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: at all for the most part. Like that's not really

1009
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: his mo of guys that he's going to invest high

1010
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: end right, most of his top highly paid players, guys

1011
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: he's traded for guys he signed are just I would

1012
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: call like pristine character to Forest Buckner, Quinnin Nelson, Michael Pittman.

1013
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: I mean, these are Kenny Moore, super high character guys.

1014
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Mitchell's not, but he did have some

1015
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: question marks. Guys with his talent typically aren't there at

1016
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: forty five. Now. He was with the Chiefs when they

1017
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: took Marcus Peters, like he's been around some of this.

1018
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: That worked out. I think for the first time he realized, like,

1019
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: if we're really going to compete, because look at Cassarri.

1020
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: I would say he's kind of similar. Doesn't really meant

1021
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: well this offseason what he did, he went and got

1022
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: digs too. We don't even need to debate, like there's

1023
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: some issues there. So I think Balar realized, like listen,

1024
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: there was a small gap this year. We didn't have

1025
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: our starting quarterback. We got to be very careful about

1026
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: getting an influx of talent, and they took a guy

1027
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: who you know is very, very talented. I mean I

1028
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: would say it's immediately.

1029
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: Just I liked him more than Worthy.

1030
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: I Xavier Worthy hurt a lot at Texas, a lot

1031
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: of drops. Now it'll probably work with Mahomes. But I

1032
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 2: said this two weeks ago. He was my bust. He

1033
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: was the guy that I worry about because I watched

1034
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: him at Texas. I like Mitchell Moore. I thought he

1035
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: was more consistently available. He was a better route runner.

1036
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: He's bigger, I mean just not that's much slower. I

1037
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: mean he's still really fast.

1038
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing about taking swings on guy with

1039
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: character issues. So you know mcveigh's got a ring, you

1040
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: can be a little more precious on that stuff. But

1041
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: in Belichick had several rings. I thought the undoing Bill

1042
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 2: Belichick was on. He told urban Meyer, and urban Meyer

1043
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: told the audience.

1044
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: Right.

1045
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: He went on TV and said, Bill said, I just

1046
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: don't want to I'm going to coach the guys. I

1047
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: like New England got really untalented over about a five

1048
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: year period. Bill wanted to coach guys. He you got

1049
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: to have some badass guys and they're not always choir boys,

1050
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: like get over it. Like now, I always think if

1051
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: you have strong leadership. Now when Brady leaves, it may

1052
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: be different, like you lose that, you'll lose that power leadership.

1053
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: But if you have good leadership, which the Patriots during

1054
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 2: Brady always had a gronk a Brady an element of

1055
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: defensive guy, you gotta swing. I mean you got to

1056
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: take some. So to me, if you like your coach

1057
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: and you think Toforest Bruckner, if you got a handful

1058
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, if your top five or six, Quentin Nelson,

1059
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: if if you got six dudes in the room, I

1060
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: have no problem taking a swing on guys. And for

1061
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: the record, John, there's a term diva receiver, Like it's

1062
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: not diva safeany like it's a personality position.

1063
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: I'm okay with it.

1064
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: You know, Moose Johnson. I butchered this quote the other

1065
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: day when I was recording the podcast after Day two.

1066
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: I was talking to him on a radio show years ago,

1067
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: and he said, all the best teams I was on

1068
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: and played against in the nineties were full of players

1069
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: of character, a lot of and a couple characters that

1070
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: could play. There is no team full of choir boys.

1071
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: You got no shot. Now. You can't have too many

1072
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: crazy character guys. But sometimes those are your most talented

1073
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: You've said this for in any industry has them, actors, music,

1074
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: you name it, salesman, I don't care where you go.

1075
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes the most talented guy in the room is a

1076
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: little fucking nuts. And if you can corral that and

1077
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: get the most out of them. And Belichick did this

1078
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: for a long time. Peyton Manning was able to work

1079
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: with it over the years, you got a shot. But

1080
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean, I think I know Ballard really

1081
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: really values that stuff. So clearly they did a lot

1082
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: of work. And you know this thing about the draft,

1083
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: you kind of got to be prepared for anything. If

1084
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: I would have asked them at the beginning of the

1085
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: draft on Thursday night, and you think that guy's going

1086
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: to be there for you in the second round. He

1087
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: would have laughed, he's had no chance. But this is

1088
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: why when everyone's like, what positions did you scout? I'm like,

1089
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: well you do everyone like you just because you have

1090
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you still you just never know. Things get weird.

1091
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think I think the Colts. I actually

1092
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: think the Colts, if that quarterback is decent, are going

1093
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: to be right there with the Texans. I think they

1094
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: got a chance to be pretty good because because the coach.

1095
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that division is now like pretty heady.

1096
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: I got Trevor Lawrence. They now with Gabe Davis and

1097
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: getting Brian Thomas from LSU. You're like Evan Ingram, it's

1098
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: like Christian.

1099
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: Kirk etn Yeah, it's like, oh that's that's that's like

1100
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 3: the Bears. That's like real players. And I think Shane

1101
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: Steichen's going to elevate everybody. You know, Gardner Minsch is

1102
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: going to go to the Raiders and his numbers are

1103
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: going to come down significantly. Yeah, you didn't have Shane Steiken.

1104
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: And then all of a.

1105
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: Sudden, Houston. I think Houston has just done so many

1106
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: smart things. That division now is a real division. And

1107
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: I think I have the Colts finishing third in that division,

1108
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: and I like them, like I like Minnesota, they could

1109
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: finish fourth, like I don't like the New York Giants.

1110
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: They'll finish fourth. There's a big gap, there's some you

1111
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: know what, we are getting to a point and I

1112
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: don't ever remember this. There's so much talent in football

1113
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 2: right now and so many good coaches. John They're going

1114
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: to be third and fourth place teams.

1115
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 3: I like.

1116
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 2: I could see the Jets finishing if Aaron plays seventeen games,

1117
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 2: I could see them finishing third and winning nine games.

1118
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: And I could see Minnesota finishing fourth and winning eight,

1119
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: and I like them. It used to be the bottom

1120
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: of the league. It was just crappy. It wasn't the

1121
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: NBA bad, but it was just bad. It was five

1122
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: with teams outside of Carolina and the Giants. I'm not

1123
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: sure there's a day Tennessee. It depends on if Will

1124
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 2: Levis can play. But I mean Carolina Giants look hopeless.

1125
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: Tennessee kind of. That's about it for me.

1126
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: That's why I would say this. I mean the Steelers,

1127
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: Brown's probably gonna finish in fourth, and both those two

1128
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: teams made the playoffs. Steelers just had a good draft,

1129
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: drafted multiple offensive lineman high we know they're you know,

1130
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: the Browns I think are going to be worse than

1131
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: they were last year with Deshaun Watson. But I'm with you.

1132
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: The middle of the league is and this is why

1133
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be. It's hard to win thirteen fourteen

1134
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: games because you're only getting so this is not college

1135
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: football where you get you know, Rutgers, and then you

1136
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: get you know, some Arizona State, like they do not

1137
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: really exist, and if you do, sleep walk on the

1138
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: New York Giants and Daniel Jones has the best game

1139
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: of the season, all of a sudden, you're down going

1140
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter. Because college football to me, I

1141
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: did a little math between Michigan, Washington, Bama, and Texas

1142
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: the final four. Then if you add the other top

1143
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: teams Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Oregon, Ohio State, almost fifty

1144
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: I think officially forty six of the top one hundred

1145
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: draft picks game from those schools. I mean you could

1146
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: argue as time goes on that number could even creep higher.

1147
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: I guess Nick Saban said on Thursday night when he

1148
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: was on TV that the Toledo corner that the Eagles drafted.

1149
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, he realized he kind of caught himself.

1150
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: Tried to get him to go into the portal so

1151
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: then we could sign him, but he wouldn't even go

1152
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: into the portal, like they just wanted him to go

1153
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: in the portal then they could make an offer and

1154
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: get them. But like more and more like that guy

1155
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: at Toledo that we might not see that for a while.

1156
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be all these top programs, mainly in the

1157
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: Big Ten in the SEC, and then Florida State and

1158
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: Clemson and Notre Dame, who's kind of an acc team

1159
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: and might inevitably be one, have all the talent in

1160
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: the draft. I mean that's where all that's where all

1161
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: the high end guys are coming from those conferences. Yeah.

1162
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: No, I it's really funny because I Eric Shanks is

1163
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: you know, he runs FS one, and I went to

1164
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: lunch with him and I said, Eric, the Big Ten's

1165
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: gonna start squashing people. I'm like, you know, Lincoln Riley's

1166
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: gonna get it going. Oregon just is a machine.

1167
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: Nil. They're up there with like Georgia, Ohio State. Nil money.

1168
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ucla is kind of mailing in their football program.

1169
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: I think they're going to go back to heavy basketball.

1170
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: That's my guess.

1171
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 2: Where we only need about four million a year in

1172
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: IL to really be an elite bat cheaper, you need

1173
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: about twelve in football, and UCLA just just just can't

1174
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: generate that on an annual basis, or or their donors

1175
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: have it but don't want to give it up. But

1176
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: I look at college football right now, and this is

1177
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 2: you know, John, We've talked about this big eat, small scale,

1178
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: beats boutique in every business. College football has always been

1179
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: a bit lobsided. I think we're going into a eight

1180
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: programs will basically eat the sport, and I'm okay with

1181
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: it because my take is I'm not staying home to

1182
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: watch the Holiday Bowl, and I love college football. You

1183
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 2: start looking at the Big ten in the SEC games

1184
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: from this point forward, now that you've out of Texas Oklahoma,

1185
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: there's no reason really to watch any other conference. I'll

1186
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 2: watch Notre Dame, I won't. I mean, now the Pac

1187
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: twelve's gone, there's just no reason to watch the Big

1188
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: twelve or the ACC outside of a Clemson.

1189
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like Florida State's going to be Boston

1190
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: College by thirty points. It's not even a game.

1191
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm i I'm always looking for ways

1192
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: not that make my job easier, but make my job

1193
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: more efficient because I have I'm watching I work seventies

1194
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: a week during the football season, which is fine. I

1195
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 2: get paid well. But it's like, I'm just going to

1196
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: be watching Big ten SEC football. That's all I'm wanna watch.

1197
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: Thank thank god the PAC twelve disbanded. Like I'm not

1198
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: Big twelve acc or off the TV.

1199
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna watch it.

1200
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm in agreement because it's you know, people have always

1201
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: pushed back. These conferences are overrated, these conferences. No, that's

1202
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: where all the talent is. That's where all the NFL

1203
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: people spend their time, and they do it for a reason.

1204
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: All right, before we go one, I'm gonna ask you.

1205
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you mine and then think of yours.

1206
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: Why I'm saying it. So sometimes you know, I'm in

1207
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: the take business. Podcast business is a little less like

1208
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: that because we have conversations that last an hour. But

1209
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it this weekend. I thought that

1210
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: James Harden to the Clippers was a disaster, and I'm

1211
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: watching that game today and I'm like, shit, that thing

1212
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: is working. I don't remember the last time I had

1213
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: an NBA take that was so bad. I thought Westbrook

1214
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: Kawhi's weird, Paul George's excellent, Tylu can deal with dysfunction.

1215
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: But I'm like, this is like an old rock band

1216
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: where they all had issues and you're trying to work

1217
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: them to get along with each other.

1218
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: Again.

1219
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, this isn't good. It's gonna be terrible.

1220
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: And I watched them today and I'm like, they get

1221
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: a good shot every time down the floor?

1222
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: What in the world.

1223
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: And Lawrence Frank was at a club I go to occasionally,

1224
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: a private club in LA and he was sitting having

1225
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: dinner one night and I sat up next to him,

1226
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: like Lawrence Frank. We talked for an hour about it,

1227
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: and I said, God, I thought it was gonna be

1228
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: a mess. And he said, you know, Harden bought into it.

1229
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: Harden just said, I'm wanna win. I got three hundred

1230
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: million dollars in the bank. I want to win some games.

1231
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: And so I'm watching today and I'm like, God, was

1232
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: I wrong on that thing? Give me your sports take

1233
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: when you look back and think and mine may be

1234
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, but with James Harden in the last year

1235
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: or two, if you had a huge whiff.

1236
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: I thought that the Russell Wilson trade from Seattle would

1237
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: go down as the worst trade in like one of

1238
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: the history of the leagues for the Seattle Seahawks, because

1239
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: there's no way you could trade a player of that

1240
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: caliber what he meant for your franchise and how good

1241
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: he would be for them. And it actually went the

1242
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: polar opposite way. Like Deshaun Watson. It was clear, like

1243
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would be doing this. It

1244
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: was that was weird. Aaron Rodgers was old and it

1245
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: had gotten weird. But the Russell thing, right, he's thirty

1246
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: two to thirty three years old, Like I get it

1247
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: was weird, but he's going to go to Denver and

1248
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: this was before Sean Payton and he didn't even last

1249
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: two years. I mean he was benched before the second

1250
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: year ended. And it is easily on Denver side. I mean,

1251
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: I thought, in a weird way it kind of ended

1252
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: Pete the It wasn't because of the trade. It was

1253
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: just they kind of petered out and you saw But

1254
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: it is you could argue from now, I would say

1255
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: the Browns are in the mix, but it's got to

1256
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: be in my lifetime when you factor in the dead money,

1257
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: all the picks you gave up, the situation it created

1258
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: for Sean Payton, I mean, one of the worst trades

1259
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: any sport ever ever. And it's you know, the Aeron

1260
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: thing when he got old. So all these you Deshaun

1261
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: Watson a bunch of weird shit off the Russell thing,

1262
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: and you've talked never seen because even James Harden I

1263
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: went to a Warrior game in his heyday with the Rockets.

1264
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: I remember in like game one, he scored thirty five.

1265
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: Like he's he can have these moments. He's had a

1266
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: lot of bad moments, but no one's ever disputed like

1267
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: his talent and his ability. He just doesn't give a

1268
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: shit on defense, and he kind of loafed sometimes when

1269
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: he's not feeling it, but when he tries, like he

1270
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: has a high end player. Russell just went from like

1271
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: James Harden, high end player to just average to not

1272
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: any good. It's crazy with no injury, With no injury

1273
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in athletics. I mean, it doesn't happen

1274
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: in sports.

1275
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 3: No, I was the same way.

1276
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, Pete, you've been fired two times before this

1277
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL. You were seven and nine, seven and

1278
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: nine before Russ.

1279
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

1280
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: And Pete was having some issues behind the scenes that

1281
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: I've had validated. He and John Snyder were really at

1282
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: the end where people don't know. You know, John Snyder

1283
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: had Pete's son on the scouting staff and you know,

1284
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: went to Pete and said, we're we're gonna move off him.

1285
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: You know.

1286
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 3: The next day, Pete puts him on his coaching staff.

1287
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was kind of a facial But like Steve, like,

1288
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure Steve told you yesterday, that's happening all over

1289
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: the league, the head coach and the GM's buttonheads about

1290
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: stupid shit, you know, not even big picture stuff.

1291
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Seattle had some of that stuff going on

1292
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. But yeah, in my lifetime, I thought,

1293
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: I don't I've never seen a player in their early

1294
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: thirties who I thought was elite. I mean, Jesus Russell's

1295
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: passer ratings were over one hundred four years in a row.

1296
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: Now you can say, well, the passer rating is a

1297
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: little overvalued, but overall, if he just watched him.

1298
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: He was good, yeah, and then he was terrible awful.

1299
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's but it's one of the things.

1300
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: This weekend, to me is the best weekend of the year,

1301
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: not counting the NFL season. Now, you you may throw

1302
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: in the Masters because you love golf more than I do.

1303
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: I like it, But I this weekend, I watched I

1304
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: watched Draft the whole damn weekend. I watched you know,

1305
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 2: I watched the Nick Sixers. Uh, you know, I watched

1306
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,439
Speaker 2: the Lakers now gets a little bit the second half,

1307
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: but I had I had a ball.

1308
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: Are the Sixers one of the greatest failed experiments in

1309
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: the history of sports? I mean they tank forever and

1310
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: they get and now they're I mean they're gonna lose

1311
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: this series. He's not coming back.

1312
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: Somebody said this on the internet, and I thought it

1313
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: was really accurate. Embiid maybe seven to two. He plays

1314
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: six ' four a lot threes, NonStop, nonsinse, He's screwing

1315
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,959
Speaker 2: around at the top with a ball. He gets beat

1316
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: rebounding regularly late in games.

1317
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 3: Is that, Embiid?

1318
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: You can't convince me you're a great player if in

1319
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: the weak Eastern Conference you can't win the second playoff

1320
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: series if you watch the Nick Sixers, there's no question

1321
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: Brunson's the better star.

1322
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 3: That's not even dispute.

1323
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: Now, he takes a lot of shots, but there's no

1324
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: question nobody on that team presents him like everybody's in

1325
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: on Brunson. You kind of feel with a sixer sometimes

1326
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: that if you could privately talk to the players, Maxi

1327
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: and Harris, some of these guys, they'd roll their eyes

1328
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: at him. He plays for his size small, Brunson for

1329
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: his size, plays big. And I just come out of

1330
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: this and I'm like, embiid, I know you hated Jokic

1331
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: and you gave him the MVP, and that's always been

1332
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: a story award more than the truth. Westbrook won an MVP,

1333
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: But we have to file what embiid under. He's been

1334
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 2: a media darling more than he's been great.

1335
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: And in another life, Tom Phibodeau is not coaching basketball.

1336
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: He's an NFL coach. Probably started as no line guys.

1337
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: That's the vibe I get from Tom Thibodeaux because the

1338
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: Knicks when I was a kid, they played just like this, ugly.

1339
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: They just it felt like at any moment a brawl

1340
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: could break out. It's enjoyable and clearly their fans like it.

1341
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: I saw Embiid was said after the game, like it

1342
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: was half Knicks fans in there.

1343
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: Well they're only ninety minutes apart.

1344
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's far, it's easy, dry, and the Knicks fans

1345
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 2: have been starved. I've said this before when I lived

1346
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 2: on the East Coast, and I really did. I really

1347
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: love the people in the East Coast. Now the winners

1348
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: aren't great, but you know, as you get older, I'm

1349
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 2: I can wear a coat like I can get older.

1350
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the people. I always said this. People

1351
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: always said.

1352
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: New York was a baseball town, and I'm like Yankee

1353
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: Stadium was empty in the eighties. The Knicks have been

1354
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: a mess for most of the last twenty years. You

1355
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: can't get a tickets to a Knicks game. There's two

1356
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: baseball teams, right, There's two NFL team, there's one NBA team.

1357
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: And when I was there, everybody I knew love the Knicks.

1358
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: Half the town didn't like the Giants with their Super Bowls.

1359
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: Half the town was a Mets fan. So it's New

1360
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: York is. It's one of those things where you just

1361
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: forget people did this with the Warriors. You forget what

1362
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 2: a great basketball city.

1363
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: It is like when I grow up.

1364
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: In the seventies, Golden State won a.

1365
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: Title with Rick Berry, Al Addams, Clifford, Ray Mullins, Jeff Mullins,

1366
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: I think Jamal Wilkes, and they were really good for

1367
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: a stretch. The seventies was weird. Everybody won like one title,

1368
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: the Bullets with Elvin Hayes, the Sonics with DJ Gus,

1369
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: William Jackson, everybody won one.

1370
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: The Sixers with doctor Jakin, Washington wins title.

1371
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Grevy, Elvin Hayes, West Unseld, Bobby Danders. I

1372
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: think Bobby Danders was on that team. That was. That

1373
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: was my indoctrination to sports. I was a huge NBA guy.

1374
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: I collecked at NBA cards in the seventies and the Knicks,

1375
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: by the way, won and I think seventy one or

1376
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: seventy two, Lakers May one in seventy two, Nicks one

1377
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: in seventy one, could be wrong. I'm in the ballpark,

1378
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 2: Fraser Monroe, Willis Reid, that stuff. But one of the

1379
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: things that you forget, and you forgot it about the Warriors.

1380
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 2: It was always a great NBA city, always a great

1381
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: NBA city, just had either bad ownership or bad team

1382
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: for thirty years.

1383
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: New York.

1384
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 2: I think it's a basketball city. I think it's just

1385
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: I think there are no shows all over that town.

1386
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: When teams go sideways. The Knicks have been embarrassing, feudal.

1387
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: Some would argue, you know, Dolan now feels like he

1388
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: got he has Leon Wood, He's kind of got, He's

1389
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: stepped back, he trusts, he trusts his ownership. So James

1390
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 2: Dolan now is like he's like a normal owner. But

1391
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: when I watch those Nick games, the league has all

1392
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: these small teams, all these okcs and Indianas that are

1393
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: fascinating right now. They need the Knicks, like the NBA

1394
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: needs the Knicks.

1395
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: Can I give you a guy that I don't think

1396
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: they need? And I had the game on the other day.

1397
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: I looked up and it was sad. Is the Kevin

1398
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: Durant experience is just an all time these last four

1399
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: or five, I mean, the gutlass performance. They got destroyed

1400
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: and it feels he's kind of gone full mercenary and

1401
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: just kind of goes from team to team and you're

1402
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: just there's no emotion, like Ron's clearly not the same,

1403
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: but you see him trying Korean. Those guys go out swinging.

1404
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: You just watch Kevin Durant, You're like, what is this?

1405
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: It's pretty sad for a guy at one point in

1406
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: time looked like I remember going to games thinking it's

1407
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: like one of the best players I've ever seen. And

1408
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: it's not like he's forty two years old. I know

1409
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: he's a little older now, but it's it's a tough watch.

1410
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was pretty embarrassing, no question.

1411
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody in my field recently and

1412
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: they were talking about somebody who it's a media person

1413
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 2: that is struggling, and I said, weird doesn't work. Eventually,

1414
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: Weird doesn't work. People don't like to be around them.

1415
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: They're unpredictable. You know, Aaron Rodgers has gotten a little weird.

1416
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant's gotten a little weird. Kawhi Leonard a little

1417
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: odd now.

1418
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: You know when I say weird, I say this for Rogers.

1419
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: He was winning MVPs a couple of years ago. At

1420
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: least he produced later in his career.

1421
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Aaron's gotten old, single, rich, no kids, no pets.

1422
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah no, mate, It's.

1423
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: Like seven houses all over the place flying around. Yeah, podcasters.

1424
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: It just doesn't you know, Kevin and Aaron Rodgers have

1425
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 2: always been sort of again rich, no wife, no kids,

1426
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:23,839
Speaker 2: no pets, spend too much time rabbit ears on the internet,

1427
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 2: and they're both gifted. But those people are hard to

1428
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: build around because you don't like mystery is great for

1429
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 2: books and movies, it's not great for sports teams. Like Brady,

1430
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 2: you knew exactly what you got Kobe, actually, you know

1431
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 2: Kobe from people that knew him, like he was just

1432
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: a creature of having he ate the same thing every

1433
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: night of the season, fresh salmon, like every night of

1434
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 2: the season, small glass. I was like, it was just bizarre.

1435
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: He was like this, and it's like, but you know

1436
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: what you get with Kobe. You get some ego, you

1437
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: get some shots. I think Kevin is kind of just

1438
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: I think mercenary is the right language, the right word.

1439
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: He's just he just wants to shoot, score and do

1440
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: other things.

1441
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 3: And it's like it's hard to build around that.

1442
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, he kind of represents, you know, with Lebron,

1443
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: I bet the Laker's probably losing five. Obviously, Curry's gone.

1444
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: He just feels like those guys, if you just ask

1445
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: someone casually about Lebron or Curry. You can have a

1446
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: long conversation. I feel like Kevin duranfu like, yeah, they

1447
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: don't even care. He just kind of lost everybody. It's like, yeah, whatever.

1448
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's become, frankly, kind of an irrelevant NBA.

1449
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: He really has, he really has.

1450
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: He had the best owner arguably in the league, the

1451
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 2: best coach, and the best teammate lakeb Kerr and Curry,

1452
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 2: and he left for Kyrie Irving. And I said, the

1453
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: NBA media supports more than reports. If Mahomes left for

1454
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: the Jets, he said, well, I have a slot receiver.

1455
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: I love him, I'm going to the Jets. He'd be like,

1456
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: the fuck are you doing? He would get crushed doing

1457
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: in the NBA. Kevin leaves the penthouse and goes to

1458
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: a fixer upper and everybody is like, well, he's a

1459
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: unique spirit.

1460
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: That's a bad business decision.

1461
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and it hasn't worked out, not even close.

1462
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1463
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 3: If I left Fox and went to Vice or something

1464
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 3: like that, that's a bad business. Don't do that.

1465
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 2: So I think I think Kevin got a little bit

1466
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: of a pass because you know, the NBA is, you know, creative,

1467
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: and these are you know, like international soccer guys, there's

1468
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: egos that are highly compensated there artists.

1469
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 3: It is a terrible decision. That's get over it. Deal

1470
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 3: with Draymond, get therapy, get over it. I'm with you

1471
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 3: all right, John as oas great chatting and we'll talk soon.

1472
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: Well, have a good week. See it the volume.

1473
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

1474
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,280
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