WEBVTT - Ep08 - Mel Gibson / "Hacksaw Ridge" 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.360 Welcome to Playback, a Variety podcast. I'm your host, Variety 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.520 Awards Editor Chris Tapley. On today's show, we throw around 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.880 a few ideas for Oscar's host and take stock of 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.520 Moonlight's big box office weekend and limited release. A little 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.519 bit later, are we talking to hacks All Ridge director 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:50.839 Mel Gibson. So stick around, okay, folks, I'm back here 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.200 with Janelle. Good morning, Good morning. Now I'm just Janelle. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.160 I'm not Janelle first name, Deputy Awards and Features Editor, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.280 Queen of all the Fish in the Ocean, and smiling 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.960 Janelle Riley, I am smiling on a Monday. That's weird. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:09.920 Smiling Janelle. Yes, so Moonlight, oh so happy? Crushed it 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.759 at the box office release. What were the numbers? Did 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.240 you have those pulled up? I did one second ago. Um, 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:21.720 it was basically four Street and fourteen thousand, seven hundred 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.960 and forty opening weekend in four theaters for a per 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:30.160 location average of a hundred and three six hundred seventy five. Man, 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:32.920 I think people like us deserve some credit for that. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.520 Oh yeah, I mean, come on, we're sitting here talking 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.399 about these movies since tell you right now much we 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:38.959 love them and the people that go out to see 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.160 these movies and you know when they're on four screens 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.880 or like the film intelligencia community, right, you know, I 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.480 had a lot of it were clearly dying to see 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.200 the movie. Yeah. I had a lot of people come 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.640 up to me this weekend and just ask if i'd well, 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.760 funny they ask if I've seen Moonlight, and then they 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.200 just tell me, you know, they saw it. It's the 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.720 most beautiful movie they've ever seen, like just repsodic about it. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.040 It's it's it's really awesome. Every time someone asked me 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.760 this year, what's the best thing you've seen, I instinctively 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.960 say Moonlight, really and it's and then I don't go 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.840 on to talk about it for a long time. I 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:09.840 haven't even written about it since. Tell you right, It's 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.560 one of those things that's such an absolute It's like, look, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.799 it's an amazing film, Like, yeah, factually, what can you 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.120 argue with that? What could I add to this equation? 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.200 I think Ao Scott's review and the New York Times 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.000 actually was beautiful and he headlined it is this the 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.240 best movie of the year. And I saw the headline 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.240 in other places too. I mean, it's kind of just like, 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.360 you know, it's funny because I do this movie no 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.959 service when people ask me what it's about. I was 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.240 actually at a Q and A the other night for Moonlight, 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.320 and the bartender was asking me beforehand, oh, I've heard 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.480 about this movie, like what is it about? And I 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.880 tried to explain it, and halfway through I was like, A, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.200 I'm terrible at elevator pitches and be I am not 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.600 helping this movie by trying to describe it. Just go 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.760 see it. But Merschel Ali actually said when someone sent 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.600 it to him, they said it's the Black broke Back Mountain, 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.440 which I don't think is really accurate. But if it 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.440 gets p weill to see it. Yeah, if that helps. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:05.359 I mean it's certainly reductive. I think the best thing 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.680 to say is it's like, it's what it's about. It's 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.280 about a black youth who comes from a troubled home 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:16.320 who uh learns to just come to terms with his 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.160 budding homosexuality. And when anyone sees this film, they will 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.440 be able to relate to it. That's a crazy thing. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.959 That my next trademark. It's it's about looking for a connection. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:27.960 It's about there's just no way to go to this 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.760 movie and not feel what the artist behind the movie 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.359 is trying to convey. And Barry Jenkins is a genius. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.480 I mean, I've never seen Medicine from Melencholi and neither 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.520 I'm embarrassed to say, because apparently everyone loved this movie 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.800 and I've never even heard of it. I was at 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.640 an art house theater last night and there were all 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.080 these um post it weirdly doing a Q and A 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.920 for Arrival, and uh, there were all these posters out 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.960 for movies I've never heard of, and I mean, I 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:58.240 think we're fairly well informed. Were these like asylum movies, 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.080 like transmorphor legitimate movies? One of them had Vincent Cassell 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.400 in it. I was like, wait, Vincy Cassell, is he 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.760 the one who's married to Monica Bellucci. Yes, I'm thinking 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.280 Vincent Cassell and see more. Cassell confused smour Cassell was 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.200 married to Monica Blushi. Good, good jobs, not that you 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.360 have Vincence the one. But you know, speaking of Arrival, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.720 it's it's I'm so happy Moonlight is out because I 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:21.280 can talk to people about it. Arrival is another movie 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.279 that I absolutely loved, but I feel like difficult to talk. Yeah, 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.600 you can't we've already upset some people or I have 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.719 on this podcast for that's right. Yeah, I got yelled 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.760 at at a screening because they felt you spoiled something. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:39.760 Yeah yeah, I was like, I will pass that punch, Chris. Yeah, 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.360 So go see Moonlight whenever it finally, I don't know 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.040 what it's released them, but fourth it goes wide. I 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.200 don't know how wide, but but it is the biggest 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.320 per screen average of the year so far. That's great. Yeah, no, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.359 very happy. That's good news for people like Barry making, 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.400 you know, movies that aren't immediately financed in this war. Yeah, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:05.359 like and really a cast of mostly unknown or unproven 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.480 um you know Mershel Ali and Andre Holland and Naomi 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.839 Harris have. You know, they've definitely been around and they're 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.120 well respected. But do they get a movie greenlit when 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.720 the central character is played by three people, No one's 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.560 ever really right and all fantastic. In fact, Trevante Rhodes, 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.880 who plays the older version of the character, used to 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.400 be a waiter. Like a film filmmaker friend I know 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.680 was like you really think this Trevante Rhodes guys like 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.599 a supporting actor possibility, and like he deserves to be 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.440 in the conversation and this guy says he used to 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:39.240 serve me drinks like restaurant. I hope. Honestly, the whole 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.760 supporting actor category I feel like could be filled with 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.679 actors from Moon might Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Uh, well, let's 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.039 let's jump over the next topic to, you know, speaking 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.320 of supporting, I guess I have a little bit of 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.520 egg on my face since is now officially going supporting. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:55.960 But I think it's just a symptom of the fact 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.880 that they they were at ends at odds with each 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.520 other internally, I think for a while on the offences 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:04.560 as to where she would go. It's also hard to 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.520 talk about because we haven't seen the film, and I 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.520 feel like a lot of people are rushing to judgment 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.000 and assuming it's category fraud, whereas I don't know if 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.080 you've seen the play, but I haven't seen it. Yeah, 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.279 in the play, it's a supporting role, and I feel like, hey, 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.280 you know, let's see the movie. It might be a 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.800 supporting role. I know she's Viola Davis, but you know, 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.880 the play really kind of is the Denzel Washington character story. Well, 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.000 if anyone has a complaint, they can direct it to 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.080 Miss Davis. It was her decision. I finally saw the 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.080 film last week and she said, look, I think that, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.920 um my role is in support of the other characters. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.040 That was her take. I mean, if you want to 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.880 be cynical and say there's an gaming of things going 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.080 on or trying to find an angle on things, because 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.400 obviously it seems clear that she's going to be a 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.000 dominant possibility to win and support, she would be an 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.880 either category. I feel. I agree, Yeah, so you know, 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.400 we'll see. But like I I can't wait to see 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.600 the film, and she has made a lot of women's 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.400 day by eating that lead category. I mean, for me, 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.320 I had Ruth Negga on the outside. Yeah, definitely, and 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.720 now she's coming. Now she has a path to a nomination. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.360 I mean, because who are locks are? Emma Stone, um, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.000 Natalie Portman and a net betting and then there's a 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.440 lot of amazing women. You know, I'm a big fan 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.000 of Amy Adams and Arrival, Ruth Nega Isabelle who pair, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.400 We'll see how Taragi is. Haven't even seen Hidden figures. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.440 Meryl is pretty strong personally, yes, Meryl um I was 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.640 a big fan of Susan Sarandon in the Meddler movie 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.440 came out probably too long ago, but you know, great 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.400 matter the category Actually before I feel like, because I'm 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.960 having deja vu Sally Field, there's a perforce, so it's 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.880 nice that you know there'll be a Spetisica, Chess Dane 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.000 and Miss Loan. I mean, it's it's insane this category. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:47.720 The people who are on the bubble. What do you 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.560 think about Jessica and Misslan? I really are we let's 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.080 talk about it. I don't know if there's an embarkment. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.840 I haven't been told, so let's just talk. Okay. Well, 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.640 I actually really liked miss Loan, you know, and most 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.920 people I talked to her like yeah, you know, it's 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:00.960 it's good. It's kind of like sark and esque, and 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.360 I'm like, I know, that's awesome. I kind of I 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.960 compare it to Michael Clayton sometimes, just just in terms 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:12.920 of structure and the general trajectory of the main character. Yeah, no, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.560 I was. I was with it the whole time. And 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.480 the funny thing, I don't want to make anyone think 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.000 that the movie is all about a twist, because it's not. 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.679 But like the bet, when there's a twist in a movie, 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.840 the best ones are, oh, I should have seen that coming, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:27.760 you know. And that's why I like, there are certain 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.280 movies that, like, you know, are predicated on a twist 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.760 and you're like, yeah, that was pretty obvious. Some of 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:37.400 them in theaters right now. But like something happened in 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.640 miss Loan that like, and it's not what the movie 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.040 is about. So I don't want to say, like, go 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.240 see this movie because there's a big twist, but it's 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.760 so clever and I just thought the dialogue crackled. I 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.600 thought Jessica was fantastic. I really liked this movie. I 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.080 don't I don't know how it all play, but I 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.199 think it'll play well for her, just because we've never 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.560 seen her, even in Zero Dark thirty, we haven't seen 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.559 her play this kind of a role, like really strong 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.880 willed shark of a person. She's a lobbyist, and h 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.760 it's yeah, she's she's great in the movie. John Madden 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.120 directed the film, by the way, um, and I feel 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.880 like like I personally haven't really seen a movie about 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.320 a lobbyist before. Well, it's got to be a hard 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.720 thing to make entertaining, and they your way in is 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.760 through an interesting character, and I think that's what they 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.040 have here, So she's going to be a possibility in 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:25.560 the lead actor. Yeah, I would love to see her 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.800 get in. We'll see how that shakes out. Um, by 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.640 the time, um, you know this is all decided, hopefully 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.839 there will be an Oscar house. Yes, look at Jael 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.600 with the segus. Thank you, thank you very much. Hopefully, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.439 I mean we apparently there an announcement is imminent. We're 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.400 recording this on Monday, so maybe by the time this 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.040 runs on Thursday. Uh, they'll have producers lined up. But 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.160 Janelle and I want to just chew on some some 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.880 host possibilities. Can we just say, like, I just hope 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.760 they don't return to the Billy Crystal well, yeah, I 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.960 mean he was a great Hosts, but like, let's that's 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.640 its own era. Time to move. It was great when 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.959 he came in and saved the day, you know whenever 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.960 they was that the Eddie Murphy year, Yes, I think 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.080 it was. He came in saved the day and that 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.360 was nice. But like, I need some new blood and 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.040 not well in Hathaway James Franklin, which was clearly we 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.640 need new blood unless Hugh Jackman is available, unless Hugh 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.920 jack woke. Yeah, he counts his new blood because he 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:24.199 probably such a fresh He's a showman from top to bottom. 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.120 It's the only Oscars that I actually own a DVD 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.400 of thecar have them internally. I got them, that is 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.960 through Bill Condon actually directly let me just sorry, sorry, sorry. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.120 That was the reason that show was so great was 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.520 Bill Condon and Lawrence Mark where the producers musicals. He's 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.920 a showman, he also is a movie guy, and so 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.120 he knew how to translate the idea of a movie 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.160 into the show. And so you started with like the 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.520 design elements and then you moved on into you know, script, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.920 which was interesting because that year they had the script. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.280 I think the scripts were announced first or like early 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.360 in the show, because the idea was, this is we're 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:04.880 going to take you through the making of a movie. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.240 So you start with the script, go to design elements. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.360 I just thought, have a great idea, what's that Harvey 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.600 Weinstein should produce it? And let me tell you why. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.960 I wish you guys gonna see Christmas face just now. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.200 It was if you had water would have been spittake. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.920 Did you see the Stronger Together show where where Broadway 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.200 got together and did a fundraiser for Hillary. It was 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.640 excellent and it did produce that I believe, so Yeah, 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:33.560 and you know, and who knows movies better than Harvey Weinstein. Yeah, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.120 everything would be a clip package of Weinstein movies. Yeah, 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.240 it would just be all about Lyon probably, which actually 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.760 I'm okay with. Yeah, great movie, you know, I love 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.120 me some Lyon Huge, Iman would be great. I've always 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.959 thought Kevin Spacey would be a really good host. He's 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.480 just kind of got the showman thing about him. Yeah, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.120 he does too. Theater background. Once again, I mentioned Russell Crowe. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.920 I love that idea. I've been thinking about it more. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.280 And Mark, you should just have a drink in his 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.800 hand all the time. It's kind of surly, you know. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.679 Alec Baldwin and Steve Mark and I thought the year 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.719 they hosted, we're pretty great. And if we could ever 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.040 get Eddie Murphy to maybe be into it again, that'd 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.520 be great. Well, you know, he's I don't he doesn't 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.679 really campaign, but he sort of put himself out there 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.160 this year for Mr. Church, which was a movie that 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.480 I actually liked. Um. I mean, look it's you know, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.560 it's it's not a great movie, but like it reminds 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.360 you what a good actor he is. And yeah, I 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.719 would love it if he would host. Some people have 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.319 talked about Kevin Hart in the past. I don't know 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.560 if it was just because he was kind of the 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.120 it thing at the time. What do you think about him? 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.880 You know, I have a weird like, you know, I 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.079 go see every Kevin Hart movie. I well, it's weird 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.079 because I don't know why. Like I wouldn't call myself 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.880 a fan, but there is something infectious about him, you know, 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:49.079 And so I I just I just like seeing him 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.880 on screen, Like it would be okay with him hosting. Sure, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.400 why not? You know, he'd be great. The Rock, Oh 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.440 my god, The Rock is He sings in Moana, so 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.200 he's able to sing. Maybe he would work out. The 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.360 Rock is one of the greatest Saturdayight Live hosts ever, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.160 so let him do it. I sometimes feel like they 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.400 use Saturday Night Live as a place to vet hosts 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.719 because the year James Franco and Anne Hathaway hosted, they 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.000 had both done really well on Saturday Night Live. Yeah 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.640 that's true. Yeah, and look how that turned out to Tom. Yeah, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.400 Tom Hanks just hosted last week. He should Tom Hanks 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.959 would be awesome Oscar host, But would it be a 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.640 conflict of interest since he might win. Bastranco had twenty 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.040 seven hours out there. Yeah, but he wasn't winning. Yeah, 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.880 but I don't think Tom Hanks is winning. You don't 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.960 know for some more. The more this season goes on, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.000 the more I think Tom Hanks could win. Wow. No, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.160 I don't think that at all. But you know, do 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.440 you think he's getting nominated? Not at the moment? Really 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.280 you think there are five Best Actor potentials that were 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.240 stronger than him. What do we have? We have Casey, 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:50.400 Casey's the Lock, Denzel Um, Andrew Garfield. I'm I've gotten 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.120 there for Silence at the moment that I'd love to 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.600 see him nominated for hacks our Ridge. I'm pulling up 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.080 my predictions. Joel Ledgerton. I don't have Joel in there. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:03.000 You don't Um obviously, Ryan Gosling, Ryan Gosling I have 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.200 in there. But I do feel like he could fall out. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.240 Just we've talked about it before. It's the kind of 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:13.120 role that can be thankless. Um, here we go. McConaughey 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.640 and Gold. Mcconaughan, Gold, Yes, it just seems like a 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:21.760 fun performance that's possible, you know. Uh, Jenneal's being very 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.240 quiet right now about gold. I know, but I don't 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.320 want anyone to read anything into that. I think Matthew 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.320 McConney is definitely a contender for gold. That's all I 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.000 can say. Awesome. Yeah, he looks like he's having a blast, 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.760 and I think people would enjoy having him back on 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.520 the circuit. Maybe they're not part of Uh this is 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:44.600 a second reconnaissance. Yeah, the mcconnaissance the WiFi and here 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.880 is amazing. So I'm not pulling up my predictions, but yeah, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.240 those are the five I have. And I mean, I 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.080 guess Tom could get in. I mean, look, they're gonna 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.360 but there's also an athlete coming down the pike, Benn 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.800 the older Uh, you know, so we'll see how I 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.600 lived by night is um. Look, by the way, I 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.400 don't know what I can say about rules don't apply. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.320 I'm pretty sure the embargo doesn't apply to podcasts. Embargo 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.360 doesn't apply, So embargo doesn't apply. But I think Warren 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.400 Beatty was pretty good in the movie for lead actor. Yeah, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.360 I think it's a lead now, you know. Warren Beatty 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.160 is such a good actor. Can I like bad trek record? 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.920 On lead versus supporting this year, but I think he's 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.960 a lead in this movie. He um in Bugsy was 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.240 one of my favorite performances, and I know that year 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.840 it was all about his directing, but I it just 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.560 reminded me what a great actor he is. That year 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.360 was all about jfk in my opinion, was it? Yeah, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.000 and the Beast you got a better memory than I do. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.600 The science of the lamps Wow, speaking of you know, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.760 we talked about that last week screen time as it 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.880 pertains to category placement. But we'll see what the Academy 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.560 decides if they've did you ever get an answer to 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.880 your question? You asked if someone has ever won the 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:57.400 Tony and he's the only one hoarding or featured as 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.320 they call it, was featured in the Tonys. It was 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.080 the ra was called the King, and I I think 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.320 there was there's something that people were talking about. I 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:05.960 didn't get into it, but there was something about the 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.560 rules back then we're different. Well, it's interesting because I 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.480 thought that Joel Gray one for lead actor in a 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.000 musical the Tony and then went to supporting. But but 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.560 it was supporting at the Tony's when Alan Cumming won 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.800 in the lead category when they did the revival and 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.360 then as we know, Mary Alice won supporting for Fences 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:27.200 and then viol the one lead for the revival. Yeah, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.640 and uh, potentially we'll join just youal Brenner as the 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.000 only two. That's kind of interesting history, I guess. Yeah. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.040 I'm just shocked that Youl Brenn, who was a featured 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.680 actor for The King and I did you see it? 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.040 My mom took me to see The King and I 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.640 and I counted the screen time. Maybe it felt that way. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.640 So do you have on the podcast? This week? We 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.400 have Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson and we have a great chat. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.920 I think we talked about hecks all Ridge a couple 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.640 of times. Such a great movie. Yeah, and more and 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.240 more people are seeing that and like they were skeptical 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.040 when I said that how much I adored it, And 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.359 they're coming up and they're like, that is a great movie. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.680 And by the way, UM, I don't want to out anybody, 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.479 but a couple of people here at work, we're very 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.800 split on Vince Vaughn. A couple of people feel the 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.119 way you feel, and then a few people feel the 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.880 way I feel, which is that Vince Vaughn is great 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.520 in this movie. Well, this is the thing, like, I 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.720 don't it's not like I want to look away. It's 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.639 just way not what I'm expecting in the moment. So 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.920 I'm just like, I'm looking at casting against type. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.040 And and you know, I'm just looking at your money 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.680 baby the whole time. Which, by the way, Swingers just 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:38.640 celebrated a tenth anniversary get out. I mean, oh god Jesus, yeah, 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.359 you're making me feel young for a second. That's one 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.520 of my favorite movies. Made me realize you can just 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.520 go make a movie. Yeah, and how I mean I 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.160 love that Jon Favreau, what that career has turned out 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:49.520 to be. He had the script in his trunk of 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.920 his car for like just months, and he just showed 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.360 it to a friend at a party and off it went. 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.080 That's so great. But in any case, stick around for 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:20.480 mel Gibson. Right after this, I was dreamed about being 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:25.480 a doctor. But don't get my school. I can't stay 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.480 here all them go fight for me. What you figured 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.640 this war is just going to fit in with your ideas. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.760 While everybody else has taken life, I'm gonna be saving it. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.800 That's gonna be my way to serve it. This is 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.639 a personal gift from the United States government because I 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.080 don't bring death to the end of it. Well, I'm sorry, sorry, 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.280 I can't touch a gun. She don't kill, No, you don't. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.520 Quite a bit of killing does occur in war. Private 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.680 Dogs does not believe in violence. You'll not look to 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.440 him to save you on the battlefield. I don't think 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.399 this is a question of religion. I think this is 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:07.080 callous because you weren't like anyone else. You're saying you 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.280 could go to prison. I don't know. I'm going to 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.919 live on myself. I'll stay trived of what I believe. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:17.880 Like the world so set on tearing itself apart. Don't 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.760 seem like such a bad thing to me to want 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.760 to put a little bit of it back together. Welcome 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.080 back everyone. I'm here with the director of hexs all Ridge, 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.720 and he's many other things. Obviously he's an icon and 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.680 we're very happy he's here. Thank you. Mel Gibson coming 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.520 onto my show. Well, I'm glad to be here. We 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.320 were just talking. This is your first podcast, do you 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.840 think I think it is? I you know, I've got 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.679 a shocking memory, so maybe I've done one before, but 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.000 I think I'm pretty sure this is my premiere. Wow. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.080 Well thanks man. Uh it's been ten years since you're 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.800 in the director's chair, and uh, I think listeners know, 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.879 I feel like I've come up with some reason to 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.200 mention Apocalypto on a number of episodes so far. I'm 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.280 a big fan of the movie. So, uh, I'm just 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:07.040 curious creative creatively for you in that time, do the 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.480 ideas just start to stack up and you're eager to 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.199 get there again or are you not really in that 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.159 headspace over that period of time. Well, that period of time, no, 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.960 I wasn't that headspace, but it's you know, something like 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:25.760 uh you know, for example, well, Braveheart was easier because, um, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.040 you know, I was more of a kind of a 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.840 hot box office ticket at that stage, so it was 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.280 easier to get that made. But um, something like The 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.600