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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 3: Our colleague Noel is on Adventures and shall be returning

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Speaker 3: forthwith They call me Ben. We're joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Ball, mission control decads. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here that makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know, And fellow conspiracy realists,

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Speaker 3: for your faithful correspondence. This is a bit of a homecoming.

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Speaker 3: Not too long ago, we were brainstorming as we do,

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Speaker 3: different future episodes and investment stigations, and it hit us

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Speaker 3: that we have never done a podcast episode on the

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Speaker 3: phenomenon known as crop circles. But Matt, as you and

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Speaker 3: I were talking about off air, we did videos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah we did, Yeah, we did well. We were young,

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Speaker 2: young boy. Oh back in twenty eleven. How weird is

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Speaker 2: that September twenty eleven we put out our first crop

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Speaker 2: But actually before then it was on iTunes video, So

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Speaker 2: I don't know when it published then versus on YouTube, but.

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Speaker 3: We still I think at that point we didn't have

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was the house Stuff Works proper channel.

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Speaker 2: It got on our channel May twelfth, twenty fourteen as

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, it was a classic. Twenty fourteen, we didn't

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Speaker 3: have the we'd have the dialogue that we'll have here.

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Speaker 3: Now we have more time, by the nature of an

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Speaker 3: we're both surprised that we had not done a podcast

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Speaker 3: on this, But Matt, I don't think i've I think

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Speaker 3: maybe in twenty eleven we talked about this where we're

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Speaker 3: working on our videos together. But have you ever seen

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Speaker 2: No? I haven't, well, and that's mostly because I've only

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Speaker 2: So I'd have to go a bit further south I think,

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Speaker 3: Right, right. Crop circles have fascinated people for a long time,

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Speaker 3: and being on when you grew up and your what

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Speaker 3: in terms of books about the paranormal, right, or maybe

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Speaker 3: later deep dive documentaries like I was rewatching the X

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Speaker 3: just they're just throwing stuff at the wall, right, weird things.

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Speaker 2: Crop circles were such a fascination, especially for kids growing up,

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Speaker 2: where some of this stuff is in the zeitgeist and

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Speaker 2: it was talked about on the news. Oh yeah, mainstream news, going, wow,

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Speaker 3: It was. The journalistic ethics were still very much in play,

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Speaker 3: so people weren't making extravagant claims, but they were leaning

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Speaker 3: into the mysterious aspect of the crop circle. And we're

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Speaker 3: going to this evening explore what crop circles are, how

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Speaker 2: Some oh and then filmed it and made a documentary

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Speaker 2: your lyric that you found what?

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Speaker 3: From Soul Coughing. All right, So there's a there's a

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Speaker 3: The chorus is, I don't need to walk around? Didn't

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Speaker 2: crop Circle and it says, instead of dragging your swamp

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Speaker 3: You know, I was skeptical till they added yeah at

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Speaker 3: Facts, all right? What is a crop circle? In general,

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Speaker 3: it's a large pattern of flattened crops. Usually they're going

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Speaker 3: they might also be grass. We'll get into it.

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Speaker 2: But we've seen it depicted often in corn.

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Speaker 3: and the the big deal here is the crop circle.

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Speaker 3: Purest will tell you that a true cop crop circle

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Speaker 2: Style almost threaded. At times it appears to be strangely

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Speaker 2: but there are other patterns and like variations on a circle,

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Speaker 2: crops haven't been put down. It's very very cool stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just objectively, like an image of a fractal

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll get into it. But there are mathematical principles

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah. And we'll get into some of the

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Speaker 2: That I could do. It's it's not Pythagorean's theorem. It's

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Speaker 2: a way it's way above this stuff. Understanding how circles intersect,

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Speaker 3: And visually representing it in an elegant way. It's nuts,

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Speaker 3: all right. Whomever is making these, they are quite intelligent.

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Speaker 3: The big issue with crop circles it's not that they exist.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's saying they're not real. They've been extensively studied, photographed,

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Speaker 3: documented pretty much every harvest season. The controversy instead is

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Speaker 3: the why and the how of crop circles. Right, We've

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they just came down, they did their thing,

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Speaker 3: Right, And when you are thinking with that information or

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Speaker 3: it is hun in wood. It's called the Mowing Devil

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Speaker 2: Right up our alley. Should we just read this whole thing?

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we can row Robert because it's a

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Speaker 3: And so it fell out that that very night the

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Speaker 2: Also, how the said oats lie now in the field,

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Speaker 2: and the owner has not power to fetch them away.

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Speaker 3: So's a banker. That's the entire story. That's the entire

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Speaker 3: parable or the ap equivalent of the day. And at

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Speaker 3: And maybe it's wreathed in flame, or maybe those are

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Speaker 2: Of course they did. Why do you think we connected

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the rural places where there tend to be a

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Speaker 3: You can just attach the crop circle to this whatever

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Speaker 3: crop circles? What if we told you we're pretty sure

438
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Speaker 3: we have.

439
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: The answer, at least in some cases, and answer we

440
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: have and answer yes, yes or some.

441
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy. All right, we have to

442
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: do it. It is the ethical responsibility of this show.

443
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: First things First, might be a bummer. We don't have

444
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: a solid explanation for every single crop circle, mainly because

445
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: we don't know how many have come and gone, but

446
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: we do know the providence of quite a few of them. Actually,

447
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: they were later proven to be hoaxes by the hoaxers themselves.

448
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's some reporting, isn't it from the early

449
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: nineties when we finally learned about this.

450
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, nineteen ninety one.

451
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Okay, some classic mad lads. Oh oh,

452
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: I really those so close to libs. I was almost

453
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: with you there, But yes, they are mad lads. Some

454
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: guys named Doug and Dave. I guess we'll give their

455
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: full names, Doug Bauer and Dave Chorley. They live in

456
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: a place called Southampton in England, and they confessed openly.

457
00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: They said, hey, guys, we've made over two hundred crop

458
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: circles since the nineteen seventies, and you know how we

459
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: did it.

460
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: It's brilliant. It's brilliant in that it's simple. They used

461
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: ropes and boards. They also had a baseball cap that

462
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 3: they fitted with a loop of wire to help make

463
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: sure their lines were staying straight. They essentially created a

464
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: large compass. If you've ever been in geography class, they

465
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: create a large compass. They were inspired by the tulleyed

466
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: nest incident that we mentioned earlier. And as these circles

467
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: became more prominent in the media, as there were more

468
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: crop circle copycats, we could call them these two guys,

469
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: Doug and Dave, they kicked up their game. They made

470
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: more and more complex patterns. This was like their hobby.

471
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: They hung out and did this. It was their fun,

472
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: non day job thing, and they took a lot of

473
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: They thought it was hilarious that people would study these

474
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: circles and then, with strident confidence, come out and say,

475
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: this is what teaches us about the messages from the heavens,

476
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: and you know this is the ancient technology by my

477
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: book or about it.

478
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but think about how truly impressive this is. If

479
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: these guys are to be fully believed, and they have demonstrated,

480
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: these guys and other crop circle makers use the same

481
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: techniques that are described by Doug and Dave to make

482
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: crop circles effectively that do represent mostly what others have

483
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: observed in crop circle formations. So I guess what I

484
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: mean is it can be done. But just think about

485
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 2: how much planning and math maths go into creating one

486
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: of these things in what eight to ten hours maximum

487
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: that you could actually create one of these crop circles

488
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: because they're always done from the moment there's really no

489
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: light outside where they could be in the cover of

490
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: night to when the light the sun comes back up

491
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: in the morning. And some of these are absolutely massive.

492
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they are huge to the point where

493
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: you know, there are a lot of dark agricultural folk

494
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: tales right all the world around, and if you live

495
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: in or if your family is from certain rural areas,

496
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 3: then you may have stories that are very similar to

497
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: that of the mower devil. That just goes to show

498
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: that there is commonality here that these stories tap into.

499
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: So to be clear, in Doug and Dave's defense, they

500
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: were not out to hurt people and weren't swindling folks

501
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: out of cash. They were definitely not trying to injure

502
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: or kill anyone. We're talking about this earlier before we recorded.

503
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: They were essentially bros doing a fun bro prank. And

504
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 3: it is oddly wholesome. Plus, if you look at the

505
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: newspaper article that came out around the same time in

506
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: Today on September ninth, nineteen ninety one, by journalist Graham bro,

507
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 3: you will see, Graham bra you will see pictures of

508
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: these guys who are in their sixties at this point,

509
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: showing how they did this. And then also in every

510
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: picture they have these shading grins. Yeah, and it's so

511
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: delighted with themselves.

512
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: And on the front page of this article, or the

513
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: first page of it, there's pictures of them and underneath

514
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: it says joker, Doug Bauer, joker Dave Charlie.

515
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: Because what could you call them? And this has been

516
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: like thirteen years. This is in a way, this is

517
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: an ultimate dad joke, you know, and we it's this

518
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: is what blew my mind. So we would assume that

519
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: when these two guys, these career crop circle common finally

520
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: went public with their corn LADENI, this would have settled

521
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: a lot of those controversial claims. In fact, they have

522
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: someone in that article who was a true believer in

523
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: extraordinary stuff about crop circles, and he talks to Doug

524
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: and Dave, you know, and he talks about the moral

525
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: and philosophical implications of their grift.

526
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: But at that time, their crop circles were fairly elementary,

527
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: I would say.

528
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: Right in comparison to later work.

529
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think once people, once some people at least

530
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: got a hold of the technique, they wanted to see

531
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: how far they could push it.

532
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: A million percent, which is technically not good math. But this,

533
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. I thought I had assumed incorrectly that

534
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: when this stuff was disproven, or when it was proven

535
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: that a lot of it was done by humans, I

536
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: would have thought it tamped down on some of the

537
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: more extraordinary claims. But the opposite occurred.

538
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

539
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: Because the media attention, this became a bigger global phenomenon,

540
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: thousand crop circles across the world over that locations like

541
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: the UK, the Canada, the US, Australia, the Soviet Union.

542
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: At the time, Japan crop circles were having what pr

543
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: folks call a moment.

544
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, they definitely were. Well, And you can imagine

545
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: if you are in to the concept that these circles

546
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: are being made or formations are being made by someone

547
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: something else. This feels a lot like a men in

548
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: black scenario. We'll plant a story with two guys who

549
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: say they made it with planks. Yeah, that'll be that's

550
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: a great explanation. It's our swamp gas for these crop circles, right,

551
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: I mean you can I can imagine being in that position,

552
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: and I think I probably was, to be honest, like

553
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: what two guys with Nah?

554
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: How think about the speed? Right?

555
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

556
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: These aren't young guys either. And when we look at this,

557
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: we also see that I don't necessarily want to call

558
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 3: them skeptics, but less credulous people started trying to make objective,

559
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: mundane connections between all these crop circles. Find commonalities, not

560
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 3: stuff like lay lines or spiritual beliefs, but what let's

561
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: look at the locations and the times in which these

562
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: crop formations occur, and let's see if those locations and

563
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: times have any commonalities. And they saw a pattern emerging. Oof. Ouch,

564
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: we're keeping it, they said. Look, the two main factors

565
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 3: are if there's a lot of recent media coverage about

566
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: crop circles from somewhere else, and if this media coverage

567
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: reaches a place that is an agricultural community that doesn't

568
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: have a lot of fencing or surveillance or anti trespassing laws.

569
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: So the aliens are read up on local municipal policies.

570
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: Yeah they must. I think you're right. That's it.

571
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 3: And they didn't say They were very careful not to

572
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: say much past these commonalities. They would say, all right,

573
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: this implies that a lot of these are human made

574
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: and their thesis or their idea was later proven correct

575
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two, where we saw another wave

576
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: of crop circles, all due to one film signs Yes, yep,

577
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: nailed it. Hold on one yeah, Shyamalan does. It is

578
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: all about a former priest who discovers he becomes a farmer,

579
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 3: He discovers a series of crop circles in his cornfield

580
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: and they are sending some sort of message. You don't

581
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: want to spoil it for you.

582
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then the aliens actually show up and there's

583
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: a thing they don't like. We're not going to say.

584
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: But then if you jump ten years later, So nineteen

585
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: ninety one is when Doug and Dave come forth and say, hey,

586
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: it's us. Jump forward ten years to two thousand and one,

587
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: and in Science magazine you can see images of crop

588
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: circles that were still being reported on when they would

589
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: occur like Ben, I'm gonna show just this. This is

590
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: what I think both recall from the video years incredibly

591
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: complex series of circles that make spirals, and it's huge,

592
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: it's four hundred and fifty meters across.

593
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: And it looks a bit like some kind of maritime life.

594
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: Actually, oh yeah, very fractal in nature. And it's just

595
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: I know, to me, it's incredible that that kind of

596
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: thing could still happen. Four hundred and nine circles in

597
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: total that are in this pattern. This kind of thing

598
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: is still occurring, no matter like why it's happening or

599
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: how it's happening. The media, even ten years after it

600
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: gets fully debunked, is still writing about it within era mystery.

601
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: H yeah, exactly, And at what point is it ethical

602
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: to pretend that there's a mystery or to you know,

603
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: cherry pickfacts and stuff. And I'm not excusing them of

604
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: unethical behavior. That stuff's subjectively amazing, and in many cases

605
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: people still don't know exactly who made a given crop

606
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: circle or why you know.

607
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure, but it does move magazines.

608
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and one, magazines were on shelves

609
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: and your bottom and that's how it worked.

610
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: Red magazines with their hands been eyes.

611
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: They had monthly subscriptions like you have one for Netflix

612
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: for a thing that shows up in the mail. But

613
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: it also you know, if it was on the evening news,

614
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: another crop circle, it would get eyes on. People are like, hey, honey,

615
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: they're talking about crop circles again.

616
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: Time to break out the rope in the plank.

617
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 2: Put it on channel four.

618
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: We'll teach them about crop circles. And we're going to

619
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: pause for a word from our sponsor, which is hopefully

620
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: the two thousand and two Banger Signs by m Night Shyamalan,

621
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: because we've got our fingers on the bulls here, and

622
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: then when we get back, we're going to talk a

623
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: little bit more about crop circles in society, artistic arms, race,

624
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: and even crazier things. We're back, all right. There's another

625
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: aspect to this story that needs to be considered, and

626
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 3: I would think of it kind of as the mothman

627
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: argument or the haunted house argument. A lot of this

628
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: occurs in semi rural environments. Yeah, farmers don't dig crop circles.

629
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: Why would they, It's happening on their stuff. They need

630
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: those crops to live well.

631
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but really quickly. And I wonder if Paul has

632
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: insight on this and he can throw something in the

633
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: chat just because his family does. As we said before,

634
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: his family does have a lot of experience with crops.

635
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: If crops get pushed down like this in the way

636
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: we're describing crop circles are is it impossible for a

637
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: threshing machine or you know, another piece of machinery to

638
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: go across that and then harvest it. It seems to

639
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: me like it would be impossible to get underneath wherever

640
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: they're pushed down.

641
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, for Paul and Chat. It may also be a

642
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: thing where it's it depends upon how far pressed they are.

643
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: But it seems like it would be a difficult proposition, right,

644
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: It's definitely complicating your process. Paul says he thinks it

645
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: would be very difficult.

646
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think you're right back. I think

647
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 2: it would be lost crops. Basically. However, whatever the volume

648
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: of crops that were pushed down, those are gone.

649
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be tough to walk

650
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: back from that. So it's thinks for the farmers, right,

651
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: especially if they're not in on the thing, but the

652
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: local public generally loves crop circles. They love it when

653
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: they when a crop circle visits your town. It's like

654
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: the carnival or the circus.

655
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it sounds like fun. You can

656
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: go see it and go hang out in the crop

657
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: circle if it's if everybody's cool with it. The landowner

658
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, whatever is a crop circle? Give me

659
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: two bucks? Hey, right? Hey? The way to get people

660
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: to come hang out of your farm, it's like tourism money.

661
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: That's the key, ding ding ding. Local scientists come to investigate,

662
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: Journalists hit the bricks for interviews. Folks come on their

663
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 3: own just to see something weird, you know. Yeah, if like,

664
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: let's be honest, if we got news that there was

665
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: a crop circle that emerged and say, l a J Georgia, right,

666
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: that would be a great weekend trip, just a nice

667
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: little day trip. Take the kid, you know, take your

668
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: partner or something, and say like, hey, let's do something

669
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: different for fun today.

670
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's commune with the circle makers. Man, I'm into it.

671
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent into it. Make a crop circle

672
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: and you know, each one of these. There are also

673
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: people who come for a search of a spiritual or

674
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: extra terrestrial experience of some sort. And the thing is

675
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 3: each one of those people, whatever their motivations, they also

676
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: bring along cash with them into the town. Sometimes they

677
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: lodge at the local bed and breakfast, They eat at

678
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: the restaurants, the diners, the chip shops, what have you.

679
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 3: So crop circles may not be proof of alien life,

680
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: but they do make a provable positive difference for local economies.

681
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: It really does.

682
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: It's just a good idea to have them if you

683
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: need some tourism money.

684
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea to have them if you need,

685
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: if you need.

686
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: Or you could hear the italics. We're being very careful

687
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: not to say as aligrift, but we are saying crop

688
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: circles are to your excellent point earlier, Matt. They're also evolving.

689
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: The formations are becoming more sophisticated, more complex. The size

690
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: just keeps increasing. There's some very American about that part.

691
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: There's this artistic arms race because it seems like, you know,

692
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: Doug and Dave were no longer alone. There were people

693
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: and that happened for a while who are very transparent.

694
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: They're saying, I'm making these as an artistic statement, or

695
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm even a couple of cases where they say, yeah,

696
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm human, I'm making these, but I'm making them to

697
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: communicate with the aliens the same way like when you're

698
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: wrecked on a desert island, you put a lot of

699
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: rocks together so you can see sos from the plane.

700
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well do you remember this one crop circle?

701
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: I just had the hardest time finding an image of

702
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: it or even a bunch of information about it for

703
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: this episode. But there was a thing, a broadcast that

704
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: went out from Earth back in nineteen seventy four called

705
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: the Arasibo Message. It was a single broadcast kind of

706
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: like the Golden Record that was sent out on Voyager

707
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: Voyager two. I think you remember that that had a

708
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: bunch of information about planet Earth, humans, all kinds of

709
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: information that went out on the actual physical Voyager two spacecraft.

710
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: The Aricibo Message was broadcast out into space one time,

711
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: and there was a crop circle that was allegedly a

712
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: response to that message with a bunch of different information

713
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: about whatever this extraterrestrial species responding.

714
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: Yeah was and it.

715
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: So nineteen seventy four is when the message was broadcast,

716
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: and then in two thousand and one is when the

717
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: crop circle appeared where what they called it the Hampshire

718
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: pattern or the Chiboltan code formation.

719
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: We should just do the conspiracy hip hop album. There

720
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: are enough songs about crop circles out there.

721
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: Agreed a system of a down done anything on crop circles.

722
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: We need you guys, Let's do it.

723
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we'll work with you on We'll work with

724
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 3: the other concepts. I'm just hitting that, Matt, because it

725
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: occurs to me what you're talking about with the receivo message.

726
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: It also really hits the zeitgeist. Right. The primary mission

727
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: of the primary philosophical mission of humanity is to prove

728
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: to itself that it's not alone in the universe. Right,

729
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 3: So it shouldn't be of no surprise that any potential

730
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: for communication with something not like the human is very

731
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: like any small potential is still worth pursuing, Right, That's

732
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: the logic. So we can't, you know, even if we're

733
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: listening tonight and we're some of the folks who consider

734
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 3: ourselves more skeptical, we can't immediately dismiss people who are saying, well,

735
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 3: let's look into it, right.

736
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: Oh we yeah, we shouldn't dismiss anyone who's interested in

737
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: this stuff. And is willing to look into it, right.

738
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. You have to both be

739
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: interested and have the time to do it, right, because

740
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: if we don't think about this stuff any further, we

741
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: just dismiss all of it, then, my goodness, where there's

742
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: no chance that we could ever learn anything more.

743
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's very well said. I'd agree with that.

744
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: And we also want to give a shout out to

745
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: to just the mathematical beauty of a lot of crop circles.

746
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: We mentioned that it goes beyond pie. There are crop

747
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 3: circles that have visual representations of pie. One that really

748
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: stuck out to me was a crop circle that is

749
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: a visual depiction of a mathematical formula called Euler's identity. Okay,

750
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: sick name right, I'm not even going to attempt to

751
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: describe it, but this is often known as the most

752
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: beautiful and profound mathematical equation in the world. And if

753
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 3: you want to read more about it, there's a great

754
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: article from twenty ten in The Independent by Matilda battersby

755
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: very British name, and this describes how in Wilchair, which

756
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: is kind of ground zero for a lot of crop circles,

757
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: a three hundred foot design got carved into a crop

758
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: and it is what people are calling a tantalizing approximation

759
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: of Euler's identity of that mathematical formula. But is how

760
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: far does an approximation go before it becomes kind of

761
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 3: reading tea leaves?

762
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: Is this the one that looks like a circle that's

763
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: broken up into a pie formation, right, slices of a

764
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: pie formation, and that has notches around it that create

765
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: that Euler's identity?

766
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, one hundred percent.

767
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 2: Oh that's a cool one.

768
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: Sure, it looks like it's straight out of Assassin's creed.

769
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it does have some.

770
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: Kind of weird technology. But you know, the other weird

771
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: thing is, even now in twenty twenty four, the majority

772
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: of crop circles still appear in England and people are

773
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: still trying to I guess profile the circle makers.

774
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they are because just to go back to

775
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: that dealer's identity crop circle, how would an extraterrestrial civilization

776
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 2: or intelligence attempt to communicate with another intelligence that doesn't

777
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: speak a language. It would be through math, right, it

778
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: would be through numbers. It would have you through universal

779
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: concepts like that, And that's something that's been gosh, theorized

780
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: since humans have thought about other existences off this rock.

781
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: So it really is if there was going to be

782
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: a message, it would be something representing maths in some way,

783
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: or a constant formula, or something that we would understand

784
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: someone speaking to us.

785
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. And we have precedent for this

786
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: in the human world because when disparate civilizations or communities

787
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: would run into each other, sometimes their one shared language

788
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: was math, rightep or of course violence, but you know,

789
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: not all the time was a violence. Sometimes they did math.

790
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: Sometimes it was sexy times, sometimes.

791
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: It was sexy times, sometimes it was all three. We're

792
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: just gonna be very honestly. Yeah. But in two thousand

793
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 3: and two a researcher named Jeremy Northcote did some more

794
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: objective profiling, and of course this is right around the

795
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: time Science comes out the film, and he said, look,

796
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: these crop circle formations, even in places where they're pretty common,

797
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 3: they're not randomly spread across the landscape. Like if we

798
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 3: mathematically envisioned a random distribution in a given area, crop

799
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: circles would not obey this. Instead, they tend to have

800
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: a type when it comes to geography, near roads, near

801
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: areas of medium to dense population. It's not London but

802
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: not you know, like a ramshackle shat shed in the

803
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere. And they also tend to appear closer

804
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: to what are called cultural heritage monuments like Stone Hinge,

805
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: you know, old castles and stuff.

806
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: Well, let's put our minds in Dug and Dave's shoes,

807
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: not in their shoes. Let's put our minds in their

808
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: heads for a second. If you take the time and

809
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: effort to create one of these things, don't you want

810
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: people to see it, to notice it, to photograph it,

811
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 2: to talk about it. I mean other If you don't

812
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: do that, then you guys just take a trip out

813
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: there a couple days later and it's kind of going

814
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: away by that time, you know, and that's it. You

815
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: get your little laugh and that's it. But if people

816
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: are talking about it and noticing it, then you're getting

817
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: whatever that hit is that we all feel every time

818
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: somebody likes a post on Instagram.

819
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 3: Oh geez, yeah, it's their dopamine rush. It's their dopamine casino.

820
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: I think that's a fair uh, I think that's a

821
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: fair comparison. Man. We also know this researcher found that

822
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: these crop circles always appear in areas that are easy

823
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: to access, So that's not carved into you know, there's

824
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: not a stone circle being carved into the inhospitable cliffs

825
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: of Dover to like that.

826
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: Now, that would be something if a crop circle formation

827
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: showed up in stone like yeah, on the side of night.

828
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: Oh man, come on now.

829
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: I mean you know what I mean. Like, that's if

830
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 3: you're an alien and you're listening to us, follow us

831
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 3: for more ideas, reach out. We won't snitch.

832
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, do do something to Stone Mountain overnight. Don't tell

833
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: anybody about it.

834
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 3: Just don't tell us, just do it. Yeah, we want

835
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: to be some we want plausible deniability. Yes, So it's

836
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 3: also not that all bad news. We don't. I don't

837
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 3: even think we should say crop circles are debunked. They

838
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: are real. You can find them, They do exist, and

839
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: I would say knowing how humans make a lot of

840
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: them doesn't make them any less cool. It's also it

841
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: might surprise people. Crop circles have become a legitimate business.

842
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: There's an art collective called circle Makers based in what

843
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: you guessed it, the United Kingdom, yep, circle Makers.

844
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: Oh, that's amazing.

845
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: They do it. They create crop circles publicly. It's just

846
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: for the love of the game. You know. They also

847
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: got they also made a profit by creating circles for

848
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: some paying clients.

849
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: Uh that, yeah, I want that. It's probably crazy expensive, isn't.

850
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of expensive. And it's like it's

851
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 3: like an ice sculpture. It's expensive and it doesn't last,

852
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 3: you know, because because we didn't point this out yet,

853
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: crop circles, by their very nature are a seasonal conspiracy.

854
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: And the real cherry on top here. Let's say you're

855
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: gonna make some money on it, do that kind of thing.

856
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: What if you're a hobbyist and you're just really good

857
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: at it. It's your love, right, this is your passion,

858
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: but you don't have startup cash to make a company

859
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: or whatever. What if you could go and compete against

860
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: other circle makers and come out on top potentially and

861
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: again get that dope. I meane of I'm the best

862
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: crop circler out there. That's cool. And it existed, or

863
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: at least for a time. I don't know if they're

864
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: still around, but there have been competitions in the past.

865
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and it's kind of at this point, it's

866
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 3: like an engineering competition.

867
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: Yes, right.

868
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 3: They had a three thousand pound prize for a recent

869
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: or several years back, a UK based crop circle making competition,

870
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: and the people who were in the competition didn't move

871
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: under cover a night they had their They had a

872
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 3: night to do this, but they were monitored. People knew

873
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: what was happening. They were open about their techniques. Dude.

874
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 2: Can you imagine attempting to make one of these in

875
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: like the Atlanta weather we've been having recently, just the

876
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: mid day.

877
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 3: And not midday. You know, I don't move during the day, man,

878
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: I remember.

879
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: I just it's one of those times where anytime you

880
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: get in your car and if there's any metal bits

881
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: in your car, it will literally burn you.

882
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna show you something. This is. It's better now,

883
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: but this is the b from when my elbow touched

884
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: the little table that I write at.

885
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: Are you serious?

886
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: In the shade?

887
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: And that's how bad burn you guys. I'm sorry, Ben,

888
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 2: that's awful.

889
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: It's fine, man, it's cool to It's a cool stimulus.

890
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: The Also, the the other thing is even at night

891
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 3: here now, while we're two old entities complaining about the weather,

892
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 3: I get so excited, I get most I get all

893
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: my stuff done at night, and even at two three

894
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: am it's still almost ninety degrees. It's egregious. It's the

895
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 3: heat of the night for real or vast. We contain multitudes,

896
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: and that's why there's so many. Still, this might be

897
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: the most surprising thing. There are still a lot of

898
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: die hard kind of out there claims about crop circles.

899
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: There are a ton of people who will say, look, yes,

900
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: some of these may have been made by humans, some

901
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: may be made by weird dust devils and water spouts

902
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 3: and whatever that earlier guys said about rain patterns. But

903
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 3: this doesn't mean some crop circles are not the creation

904
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 3: of unusual, extraordinary paranormal things. And often they point, they say,

905
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 3: you can differentiate these quote real crop circles from the

906
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: fake ones by looking at the soil and the plant matter.

907
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: Have you heard about you've heard about this.

908
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: Yes, there have been some very interesting discoveries from people

909
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: who were looking very closely at this stuff. The Wiltshire

910
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: Crop Circle Study Group found that composition of soil and

911
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: at least a couple of crop circles that have formed

912
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 2: that they've studied over the years, they think that it's

913
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: it's very different. And they because they find stuff like silica,

914
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: silica mixed amongst the crops in the soil there or

915
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: it's almost like it pulls it out of the soil.

916
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And they're quoting the Crop circle study group here.

917
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 3: They're arguing that they've spoken with scientists who have told

918
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: them that, but it's difficult to track down an actual

919
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: scientific paper ah that confirms this. But there, yeah, there

920
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: are argument is the silica. And they say there are

921
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 3: only two things that could explain this. One the passage

922
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: of a glacier to input of heat with the magnitude

923
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: of a direct bolt of lightning, you know, like how

924
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: lightning might strike in the desert and the betrail of glass.

925
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: Oh sure, or some type of plasma engine from a.

926
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: Ship, some sort of zero point to energy m Maybe

927
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 3: now we're going to our alien voices. Yeah. Unfortunately, the

928
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: majority of scientists seem to disagree with these conclusions, or

929
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 3: at least the most fair way to say it is

930
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: the majority of scientists don't see the soil composition beneath

931
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: the crop formation changing in a predictable, consistent way, so

932
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: they can say, hey, maybe the ground here was already strange,

933
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 3: and maybe we can explain that, maybe we don't need

934
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: crowd circles or aliens to do it. I don't know.

935
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 3: They say the same thing with the plants too.

936
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, same stuff with the plants. And there have

937
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: been a lot of researchers that go out with like

938
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: things that detect radiation levels or you know, there have

939
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: been some anomalous findings over the years. And I say

940
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: anomalist because at like one crop circle there will be

941
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: elevated levels of background radiation or something, but you won't

942
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 2: find it across the board, even in the same general area.

943
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: You won't find it, which is kind of weird, but

944
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: it's like a one off thing and you kind of

945
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: have to put it away because there's no way to

946
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: even retest for that, right unless you go out to

947
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: another crop circle and you find the same I'd like

948
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: the same readings at the same differences in background radiation.

949
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: It's just I haven't seen anything about that. Maybe you

950
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: have right to us if you have, but.

951
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, please do.

952
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: But with the plant matter, there were also what was

953
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: it arguments about the plant matter was effect? It wasn't

954
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: just folded like in order to get it to fold

955
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: and intertwine the way it was it was affected by heat.

956
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. The idea was that it was subjected to very short,

957
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 3: very intense burst of some sort of energy. Okay, and

958
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 3: that burst of energy apparently could also put into the

959
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 3: true believers affect people who are nearby. Dogs would get sick,

960
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: compasses wouldn't work, et cetera, et cetera. Some of that

961
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: stuff is more difficult to prove or disprove because, similar

962
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: to Havana syndrome, some of it is subjective. Right, you

963
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: got that bad vibe. How do we measure a bad vibe.

964
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: A burst of energy unless it affected your cells, right,

965
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: or your physiological function in the same way every time

966
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: it occurred.

967
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 3: Even electronic autrement.

968
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, then maybe maybe you could again, like I think

969
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: about I don't know why I think about these the

970
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: new what is it ion engines and plasma engines stuff,

971
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: that stuff that all of these space companies are attempting

972
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: to make new new propulsion methods. Yeah, and just thinking

973
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: if you extrap that and you could have a ship

974
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: of some sort that came down and did some kind

975
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: of short energy bursts. I just don't know why you

976
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: would need those unless it was to keep it aloft right, short, little.

977
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe kind of bouncing like a pogo stick approach.

978
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: Why would you do it that way for you.

979
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: Know, fun, for cool stuff. I mean maybe it's like,

980
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: you know, how people will customize their cars. Maybe the

981
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: thrusters are customized, and it's a flex to put Euler's

982
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: identity in your in your thrust pattern.

983
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: It's some music that's exactly yeah, oh yeah, or the

984
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: way you can get a specific horn that does that,

985
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, plays a song or something.

986
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 3: Oh god, oh I have another. I don't even know

987
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: if there's a conspiracy theory. This might be a bit

988
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: two car stuff for us. But I was sitting in

989
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: traffic the other evening and I'm increasingly convinced that auto

990
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: manufacturers have purposely made horns sound kind of twerpye so

991
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: that people are less likely to lay on them, because like,

992
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 3: newer cars have a much less assertive horn. Yeah, they

993
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 3: have more of a maybe you know they got that.

994
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: They went from bellowing t rex, you know, just to

995
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: a road runner.

996
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: Some people who lived in New York for a little

997
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: while and they're like, oh, we got to change this.

998
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: This is over. It's too much it's been too much.

999
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: And also, you know, one thing we've been I think

1000
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: very careful about here is, to be clear, humanity right

1001
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 3: now does not have an explanation for one hundred percent

1002
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: of the crop circles. So we are not saying that

1003
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: there is some extraordinary explanation for some of these. We're

1004
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 3: saying that it hasn't been confirmed that there is not.

1005
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 3: That's a little hair splitting, but I think it's fair

1006
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: just because you know, I know you well, we both

1007
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: really want to believe, you know, that the truth is

1008
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 3: out there.

1009
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And you know, if the truth is

1010
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: just Doug and Dave, that makes me sad, and I

1011
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: don't want to be sad.

1012
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: I do like Doug Dave, I know.

1013
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: To be clear, they're great, but come on, there's got

1014
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: to be something else. The New York Times article what

1015
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: is it called crop circles were made by supernatural forces

1016
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: named Doug and Dave? Like, no, come on, come.

1017
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: On, don't do us like that, NYT. And also, don't

1018
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 3: let this be a bummer, folks. It does appear that

1019
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: the majority of crop circles are man made, but for

1020
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 3: any number of fascinating reasons, and Earth is chock full

1021
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: of weird art, from the Noazca lines to the Pyramids,

1022
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: even unto crop circles. Humans are capable of doing amazing stuff,

1023
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: and a lot of times they do it just for

1024
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: the sake of doing it. That itself, I would argue,

1025
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 3: is a mysterious, fascinating your urge we still don't understand.

1026
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, and hey, if you don't understand it,

1027
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: but you want to know more, or you've got some

1028
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: insight that we didn't talk about in this episode, why

1029
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: not reach out to us. You can find us all

1030
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: over the place. Mostly we are conspiracy stuff on the socials.

1031
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes we're conspiracy Stuff show. If you want to watch

1032
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: our older videos, go to YouTube dot com slash how

1033
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: stuff works and search crop circles or YouTube dot com

1034
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: slash conspiracy Stuff and type the same thing in there

1035
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: and there again it's the same video. The newer one

1036
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: on our channel has a little updated like top and tail.

1037
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: That's kind of cool. If you want to call us,

1038
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: we have a phone number.

1039
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 3: Yes, the rumors are true. All you have to do

1040
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: to join up is take your telephonic device and into

1041
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,520
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1042
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 3: hear a hope fully familiar voice and then a beep

1043
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1044
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,040
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1045
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,000
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1046
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,840
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1047
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1048
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,080
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1049
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,800
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1050
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,600
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1051
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1052
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:27,080
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1053
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:51,240
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1054
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