WEBVTT - Geoff Shackelford on Covid-19 and Golf 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.800 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. Today, 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.800 I am joined by Jeff Shackleford, Golf Channel contributor and 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:15.600 also owner and CEO, COO, CFO of Jeffshackleford dot Com. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.319 Jeff and I talk a great deal about what's going 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.480 on in the world, obviously, and how it pertains the golf. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.320 It's obviously tough times with the coronavirus and everything going 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:32.040 on with the mass closures, you know, the increase cases. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.040 I hope everybody out there is being safe and practicing 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:40.360 social distancing. I think that's the smartest thing to do 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.839 right now. But we talk a lot about the impacts 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.520 on golf and some of the positives how golf could 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.479 really benefit from this kind of reset. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.200 So everybody be safe, and I. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.800 Hope you guys are all doing well, and hopefully this 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.640 takes your guys mind off things for a little bit. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.840 Without further ado, here is Jeff Shackelford. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.720 I miss a green for example, I'm already upset when 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.800 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:13.840 And when I find my ball in a bright. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.000 Egg Frida Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Frida Egggrid, Egg 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:18.959 bride egg Lie. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.320 I'm about ready to run off the golf course. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.720 All right, Uh, Jeff, the crazy times here. I know 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:39.040 you covered golf adjacently kind of during the nine to 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:39.920 eleven stuff. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:41.640 How would you compare it to that? 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.160 It feels very similar to me in terms of the 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.240 kind of what are we going to do question and 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.480 realizing that things like golf travel won't be the same 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:58.120 for a while, probably that being the most important. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.360 Notion to the golf industry into golfers. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:03.840 On the other hand, you can make the case that 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:09.280 at some point the the destination rural golf resort might 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.000 look appealing where there are fewer people. So it's there's 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.360 just so many questions at the moment that you you 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.560 don't have an answer to, just like nine to eleven, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:23.440 and I hope that people just take the time to 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:24.560 step back and. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.040 Be quiet. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.800 I'm just kind of appalled at some of the stuff 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.919 I've seen, and I'm trying to I'm struggling trying as 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.080 somebody has a website and want to keep it going 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.920 and keep it active, but I'm also struggling with I 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.160 don't want to be putting things out that you just 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.480 simply do not need to know, you know, nobody needs 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.960 to know that Paula Kramer's listener mansion for six. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.320 Point three million, And nobody needs to know that. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.720 Billy and Rory are in a peloton numbers battle, and 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.400 and and and really nobody needs to know somebody's view 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.600 on the Premier Golf League right now. It's just it's 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.080 just such a it's a pandemic. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.040 I don't know else to put it. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.640 It's a very serious time and we need to focus 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.240 on the people who are suffering and taking care of 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.919 ourselves and protecting others. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.240 In this time when we've been told to do so. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.919 And it'll be a time, if we're quiet, to reflect 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.280 on the sport and where it will go as this 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.440 what's the president uses the wave passes? 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:38.040 Yeah, I've been struggling. Obviously. I think there's a role 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:42.600 for media in times like this and providing an escape 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:47.400 for people as they see stuff around them and such chaos. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:54.400 That there's definitely an aspect of being in the golf 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.360 media space where you can provide somebody with entertainment when 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:03.720 the world is semingly devoid of it. But at the 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.600 same time, I've just struggled. I've got all the time 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.600 in the world on my hands right now. You know, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.760 I tend to never have time, and and I just 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.120 have trouble even focusing on putting something, putting five hundred 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:18.120 words together right now. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.240 Yeah, which is you know, that's that's the tricky thing. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.480 And I that it's okay though, Yeah, that's the right that's 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:24.600 the right thing, you know. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.800 And I don't think people were just I think that's 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.080 one the one positive in this is word of society 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.440 where you just got to constantly be moving and producing 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.960 and and this and that and and yeah, this is 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.200 one of those times this week, maybe next week too, 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.200 or you just don't do that and but but it's 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:43.160 a time to reflect. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.800 So view that as to me the positive of the 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:46.400 of this. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.240 You picked up any hobbies? This has he been? 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.279 Uh No, I haven't. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.799 No, I haven't gone there, you know for a writer, 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:59.599 as you know, uh, working from home and quarantining is 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:04.880 really what we do normally. So this isn't really a 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:10.680 tough one at the moment for me. The toughest question is, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.880 you know, what kind of things do you cover and 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:17.479 not cover? And I've just really gone kind of full 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:22.560 bore into if it's not about news related to the 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.640 virus and cancelations and scheduling and the big picture stuff 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.880 with the major championships. To me, everything else is tough 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.240 to cover. But there is going to be a point 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.279 where I think it'll be fun to to throw things 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.400 out there as people start to get the itch to 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:43.560 get back out and live to put things out. So 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.679 to me, it's a time to to do some things 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.560 and ponder those things and make notes and all that 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.680 kind of stuff, and do some chores and clean. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:56.440 And avoid people. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:57.160 Yeah. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.839 Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing, is just distance yourself. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.359 So it's crazy, but that's it. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.120 I'm kind of one of those people. It's like, golf 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.000 looks like a great thing to me. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:10.320 You know. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:15.520 Andrew Cuomo gave a wonderful address today and he mentioned 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:20.520 getting out, hike, walk, enjoy our parks. Obviously, don't get 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.680 two close people. I was kind of hoping you'd mentioned golf, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.320 because I do believe that golf courses ideally should be 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.599 able to stay open certain areas. Clearly the workers can't 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.599 get there to maintain it, but it seems to me 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.200 like the sport is a good place to be as 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.040 long as you're not in a nineteenth hole and sitting 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.479 sitting next to a bunch of people and or in 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.160 a cart or in a. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.880 Cart, those would be the two places I'd avoid. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.919 And you know, people can change their shoes in the 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.960 parking lot at most places. You know, maybe those clubs 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.400 that have that rule that view that as one of 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.919 the great atrocities and all of life when somebody changes 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.240 their shoes in the lot, can wave that that house 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:05.000 eteicate rule and shut the clubhouses down and have a 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.800 starter somebody who can collect some revenue and money. If 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.160 it's a public course and it seems to be maintenance workers, 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.000 if they can get to the golf course safely, it's 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.480 a great chance to keep them working. And you just 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:22.360 can't let a golf course go without major repercussions. And 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:27.120 in the markets where things are just okay, it seems 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:28.680 like a good place for people to go. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.680 But we'll see. Yeah. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.760 I think that that's the one thing, is the maintenance 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.679 worker safety. As long as that is feasible, I think 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:43.440 that golf is an incredible avenue. I think where I 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.360 wanted to talk about this a little bit as positives 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.720 coming out of it, is that you know, one of 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.240 the things that this could spurn with the way the 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.840 world is. If maintenance, you know, becomes a four man 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.320 job or a three man job, you know, alternated, so 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.840 people don't get sick coming in every day, it could 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.200 become where it'd be a great thing if golf had 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.880 a little bit lower maintenance expectation. We're seeing golf courses 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.720 are taking rakes out of bunkers. You know, how good 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.400 is that a bunker actually being a hazard? 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.480 Yeah, I think like nine to eleven, this is an 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.840 opportunity to reset some values. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.440 Maybe they're forced on us, but. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:31.240 Things were getting a little bit silly of late, and 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.920 also things were going in a negative direction in terms 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:40.120 of the labor pool for golf course maintenance. So that 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.920 job working in golf course maintenance, knowing the safety standards 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:45.520 that most. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.160 Operations have now they have a lot of masks. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:53.640 They are places that are just so much better run 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.400 now with the way the modern superintendent works and is educated, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.720 and they're great places to work. Again, assuming when we 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.760 get to a certain place where people don't have their 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:10.400 kids at home and they can commute safely on however, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.000 they get to a golf course job, it's actually going 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:14.640 to look like an attractive place to be. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.480 But that said, one would hope. 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.800 That golfers playing during this time at golf courses that 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.280 are cutting back and don't mow the greens every day 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.760 and don't move the fairways every day and experience some 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.240 of those values see that it's still is is a 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:38.440 wonderful game without having to have greens be thirteen and 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.080 double cut and the step meter speed posted and whatever 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.080 other bizarro things that go on. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:50.320 It's an interesting sense that I and this is just 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:50.880 my view. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:51.960 I'm not an expert. 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.400 You know, there's one hundred experts talking all the time, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.280 and I've been consuming it just from a personal you know, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.960 we put on a vent, so I've been paying attention 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.560 to coronavirus for weeks now and just thinking, you know, 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.200 worst case scenario, and here we are. But one of 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.240 the things I look at is the mass gatherings could 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:17.600 be gone for a while for us, and it could 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:22.480 be something where golf becomes a more popular activity because 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.760 because it's something you can do outside. I think people 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.760 the more that we're shut in from this are the 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.520 more they're going to appreciate the outdoors and being able 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.160 to be out and away from people. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:36.199 Yeah. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.560 Absolutely, I think it's a huge opportunity. And I hate 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.200 that word, but if we're looking for something to cling 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:48.360 to and or provide people with some hope and some 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:53.440 things to think about, that unlike maybe other things, say 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.720 two thousand and eight, the market collapse, then that this 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.079 is an opportunity. As you say, people are going to 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.839 get cooped up, They're gonna they're gonna be driving their 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:07.280 relatives nuts. The values of golf that have really taken 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.360 a hit, I think in people's view in the last 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.959 few years for whatever reason that and we we kind 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.760 of can guess some of those reasons, and they're all different, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.520 and some makes more sense than others, some make no 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:25.920 sense at all. That this opportunity, in this awful time 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.600 will be something that highlights the beauty of the sport 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.319 and the values of the sport and the and the 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:35.760 things that are good about it. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.400 Exercise being outdoors. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.000 It's going to look a lot safer as a place 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:46.840 to be than a gym for a while or sporting event. 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:52.440 And so I think the sport hopefully will see those 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.440 things and figure out ways to capitalize. And I don't 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.800 know how those are yet. Again, it's just way too soon, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.320 but I hope those of the things that people are 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.440 thinking about as this this unfolds. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.720 Yeah, I think that that's where there's you know, like 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.160 you said, using opportunity is always something you don't use 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.480 in this, but you look at what is going to 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.160 happen in gyms are going to be less popular for 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.480 the near future. It's just, you know, I think my 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.800 gym still hasn't closed and it actually kind of makes 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:29.400 me upset. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:29.880 Wow. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:31.679 Yeah, it's it's. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.360 Just but you know, you look at look at golf, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.599 and golf could almost you know, have an opportunity to 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.240 reinvent itself. Is assuming you know, the courses can withstand 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.640 the financial burden that's going to be placed on them 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.959 for the next two months. But the the opportunity to 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:54.559 provide small scale golf where you can get these hours 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.640 that people have devoted to the gym and get them 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.679 an outdoor activity and give them a spot they can 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.000 go walk and play golf for an hour would be amazing. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:06.680 It would. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.640 And it's so it's going to be in coming on 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:14.480 the industry right now to think about ways and not 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:19.160 another PSA program where we put ten million dollars into ads, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:24.480 but actually think about ways to help golf courses promote 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:29.760 themselves in this time, but also not look tone deaf 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.440 to what's going on. And I think that's kind of 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:33.440 that interesting balance. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:33.599 You know. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.640 I've been pondering on my blog and I'm just kind 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.440 of doing about one thing a day. I just just 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:42.160 don't want to I'm not looking to get hits. I 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.840 really just want to try to step in and offer 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.559 something and then step out. And one of those has 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.920 been the question of, you know, is it is it 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.400 a bad look right now for somebody to be out 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.280 playing golf? Is that going to be part of what 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.880 goes into the thinking in certain cities or at certain 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:06.480 country clubs or certain resorts. And I'm not sure what 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.000 the answer is, but I think perception is a tricky 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:10.120 one and one. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.040 That they need to be able to address that the 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:14.720 look is bad. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.960 I think in about a week and the places where 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.960 the weather is good enough to be playing golf, people 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.000 will look at golf as a very good thing if 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.080 these courses don't shut down. Obviously, the city of San 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.440 Francisco has is on a full lockdown, so they're obviously 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.800 not going to send anybody out to go maintain Harding Park, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.880 which is why the PGA Championship is now officially postponed 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.800 and the PGA of America can reassess whether they can 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.840 play there and those kinds of things. But there are 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.160 other cities like Austin where they've also kind of lumped in. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.120 Golf with its other Philadelphia. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.720 Yeah, and I'm worried LA will, But it's just one 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.880 of those things where I think it will be worse well, 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.840 especially in our city, to be perfectly blunt, if the 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.120 golf courses closed, Uh, there's gonna be a greater chance 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:07.120 those they become encampments for our horrible homeless situation here. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.600 There there are things that you could see where it 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.800 just doesn't do any good to close. You can take precautions, 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.120 you can close the clubhous areas, you can do things 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.040 to help the maintenance team. But at the same time, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.120 if I'm a maintenance worker, I sure love that job 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.960 right now a lot more than a lot a lot 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.280 of places to be having to work. And again they 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.520 have they have ample safety equipment and in terms of 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:40.000 masks and things for spraying, and they have guidelines and 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:45.000 and so I think it's something that is again it's 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.040 it's a positive, but at the right time. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.520 I you know, I don't. I don't know when that is. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.760 But I think as people sit around and and and 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.960 have nothing to do at home, they are going to 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.400 think through, well, wait a second, the golf course is 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.480 a good place to be. I don't touch the flag stick. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:07.360 We've got the rule now, right, yeah, the flag stick in, 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:08.800 don't touch the flag stick. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.280 The ranks are gone, rights. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:12.800 Are gone, ball washers are gone. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.320 You know, there could be the demise of the t 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:16.600 box trinkets. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.920 You know, that's okay, those good things. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:25.800 And you know, I think if if carts are down, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.840 you know, people are walking more. It just becomes a 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.880 healthier the whole perception of golf would would really change. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.840 I think if you looked if if all sudden bunkers 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.360 were maintained, you know, at a at a reasonable level 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.960 where it was you know, once every couple of days, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:47.200 and and you didn't have all the exorbitant spending on 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.520 things that have no impact on on golf, and and 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.680 and people start to understand that, hey, this is just 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.880 a great outdoor activity. This is what because I mean, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.800 that's what I love about golf. You know, it's funny, 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.680 I had Hey, I'm sure you feel this way sometimes 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.919 is that I feel like my tank and my my 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.719 golf soul kind of gets empty. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.040 Sometimes it gets down low because I get. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.320 Front, you know, working in golf it's different. And h 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.280 and I had one of these experience I played. I 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.640 was out at bandon dudes. I played Banded Trails by 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.359 myself at five pm, the sun going down, and I 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.679 played in two hours and it was like, you know, 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.560 Banded Trails as a hike, you know, you're you're going 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.399 up in downhills. Afterwards, I felt like I got a 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.000 great workout and and I just I felt it was 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.280 just one of those moments where you're like, God, this 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.159 is such a great game, you know, but it was 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:43.320 so low maintenance. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.480 At that time. My rangefinder was dead. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:46.000 You know. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.280 All I was doing is walking up, hitting the ball, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.840 walking forward, and it was just incredible. And then sure 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.000 enough two days later everything's canceled. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.800 Right, Yeah, And I think that's something that that will 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.639 become apparent a piece people and the climates where they 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.680 can when they can't go out and play. But yeah, 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.400 I think that there's an opportunity. It was just as 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.359 you were talking, was pondering what a course could do 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.879 if they're limited by maintenance, and you know, maybe you 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.080 kind of your daily maintenance is on just one to 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.400 nine and we only have nine holes open at a time, 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.000 as a way to do a little bit of a 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:25.720 just take a little burden off the crew, but also 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.080 a little bit of this mindset of maybe this is 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:32.600 our chance to highlight loops of holes, nine holes, twelve holes, 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.800 highlight more evening golf. I don't think enough courses do that. 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:43.640 They're so worried about closing the clubhouse and the cart 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:48.760 barn down. Well maybe there's a place now for people 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.840 really playing on public courses till dark and who cares 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.240 except for the one person who does have to lock. 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.560 Up the parking lot. Those kinds of things so well, I. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.920 Think one of the constraints with evening golf's always been childcare, 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.760 you know, and now that people have their kids at home, 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.880 all are going to have their kids at home all 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:09.919 the time for pretty much probably until at least the fall. 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.960 You know, we're looking at a time where if you 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.000 want to play golf, you're going to have to squeeze 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.119 it in at some point, and in evenings might be 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.679 the best time, because it's no longer hey this is 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.360 the only time I get to side with my kids. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.760 Right right, that's a great point. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.879 And it's also a great time to possibly get kids 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:36.200 into the sphere again, not just through the usual stuff 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:37.760 drive chip or. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.000 Top golf or whatever, but get them out on a course. 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:44.640 And especially as you've known, as they get really anxious 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.360 being cooped up, it's it's going to come as a 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:49.719 as a welcome relief. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:51.800 So again it's a it's a tricky one. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.919 I hope the game is just patient, but obviously not 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.400 too patient, because if a bunch of courses are convinced 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.000 they just have to close and maintenance completely slides and 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.399 we have a major issue. But if there's some way 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.920 to find a middle ground that that keeps places open 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:15.600 and functional and and and maintained enough that that it 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.160 just could be it could be outstanding for the game 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.080 to have this moment and to show people. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:22.600 What it can be. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.080 Yeah, that's not the only positive I can find it 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.760 all this, by the way, I've fed searching too. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.640 It's it's I think that that the other thing it. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.880 Is the most well would say. 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.000 It's a great one because you could see some courses 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.680 where if they if they close down their clubhouse operations 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.560 and they'd focus just on golf for a while. They 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.760 could see that, hey, look like this clubhouse is just 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:53.600 burying us in money, you know, and and could survive 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:54.280 on his own. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:55.840 Yeah. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.320 And there are a lot of places that have put 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.600 a lot of money into clubhouses the last few years 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.399 or doing it right now. And boy, I I those 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.080 places there that those are bills that are going to 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.800 be uh tough to swallow right now. But you're right, 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.920 there are plenty of others that can can just accept that, well, 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.880 we're not going to have any group business and we're 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.160 gonna we're gonna have to really make the the golf 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.600 work for a while. And so hopefully that can can 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.000 sustain some of those places that relied too much on 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.760 thinking that they had to have the clubhouse revenue to 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:32.640 make the whole thing work. 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:33.480 And and then. 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.560 Those those reduced maintenance values will hopefully maybe reduce a 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:38.280 few costs. 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:39.760 So we'll see. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.119 And then then again that the I there's a major 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.439 issue coming forward with with people wanting to work in 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:52.040 the golf course maintenance industry, and this is a fantastic 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.199 opportunity to suddenly say, hey, this is this is a 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:59.520 good place to be both for your health and and 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.359 and in the future if there's ever another pandemic, and 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.879 in the present, and it's a it's a great career 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.000 if if the industry can kind of hang in there through. 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:11.879