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Speaker 1: and we have a very special guest.
Speaker 2: It's Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz. Senator, nice to be
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Speaker 2: else that's really fun is our guest that we have
Speaker 2: with us. Go ahead and I'll let you do the
Speaker 2: intro on that one.
Speaker 3: Well, we are incredibly proud to welcome to Verdict a
Speaker 3: guest and a friend and someone who's a household name,
Speaker 3: someone who has been in the living rooms of America
Speaker 3: for three decades now. We are proud to welcome doctor
Speaker 3: Phil McGraw. Doctor Phil, Doctor Phil, as you guys know,
Speaker 3: has had for twenty one years an incredible TV show.
Speaker 3: For ten years in a row, he's been the number
Speaker 3: one rated daytime host in America and he's speaking every
Speaker 3: day to people across this country. Before he was on TV,
Speaker 3: he's a psychologist who had a business helping win lawsuits
Speaker 3: and he would conduct mock trials and analyze the arguments
Speaker 3: that worked and the arguments that didn't work. And he
Speaker 3: was actually the inspiration for the TV show Bull that
Speaker 3: was based on him helping figure out how to win
Speaker 3: big cases. And he ended up one of his clients
Speaker 3: was another household name, Oprah Winfrey, not a bad client,
Speaker 3: who hired him because she had a huge case and
Speaker 3: she was so impressed by what he did that he
Speaker 3: began to be a regular on her show, and then
Speaker 3: he spun off to his own show. And as I said,
Speaker 3: for a decade, he's been the number one rated host
Speaker 3: daytime host in the country. He's been nominated for thirty
Speaker 3: one Emmys. He's got a star on the Hollywood Walk
Speaker 3: of Fame. He's written nine books, all nine of which
Speaker 3: have been New York Times Number one best sellers. He
Speaker 3: is a voice that a lot of people listen to,
Speaker 3: and I'm incredibly grateful that he's joined us tonight. Phil.
Speaker 4: Welcome, well, thank you for having me. One of the
Speaker 4: questions I get asked the most is what's the secret
Speaker 4: to be a number one in that kind of genre?
Speaker 4: And the answer is very simple. Oprah retired. That's what
Speaker 4: it was. There was number two forever and she retired.
Speaker 4: That's the secret. Nothing to it other than that. Easy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I get the leader to quit.
Speaker 2: I just wondered if you got bored being one and
Speaker 2: everything all the time, Like, what do you do next?
Speaker 4: Right? Well, what I do next is probably the most
Speaker 4: exciting thing I've ever done, because I'm getting ready to
Speaker 4: do something now. And I think back to when we
Speaker 4: launched Doctor Phil, and I was really really excited to
Speaker 4: do that. I'm very proud of everything that we've done
Speaker 4: over these last twenty one seasons. And I think back
Speaker 4: to when I was looking at some clips just the
Speaker 4: other day of that very first show, and strangely enough,
Speaker 4: I look pretty much the same. I've been bald since
Speaker 4: I was twelve, so all you got to do is just,
Speaker 4: you know, keep the same time, put a little color
Speaker 4: in your hair, and you look the same. But I
Speaker 4: remember the first interview I had when we were putting
Speaker 4: together a sales tape for that show, Roger King, who
Speaker 4: was aptly named because he was the King of Syndication,
Speaker 4: and the first time I was in front of a
Speaker 4: camera to talk about that show, he said, what's this
Speaker 4: going to be about? Tell people what it's going to
Speaker 4: be about. And I said, We're going to talk about
Speaker 4: things that matter to people who care. And that's a
Speaker 4: simple statement, but if you unpack it for a little bit,
Speaker 4: it says a lot. Talk about things that matter to
Speaker 4: the people that care about those things. And across twenty
Speaker 4: one years, those things that matter have really changed. Because
Speaker 4: when I started Doctor Phil in the beginning, the first
Speaker 4: text message had never been sent. There were no smartphones,
Speaker 4: which meant there was no cyber bullying. There were no
Speaker 4: predators online because there was no online. So as the
Speaker 4: world changed, then I had to change with it because
Speaker 4: we let the viewers determine what we do.
Speaker 3: So what sort of things twenty years ago were people
Speaker 3: worried and concerned about? What were they afraid of? And
Speaker 3: what are they worried and concerned about now?
Speaker 4: Well, it's there are some commonalities still because people were
Speaker 4: really looking for common sense, really data based empirical information
Speaker 4: they could use every day in their lives to improve
Speaker 4: their marriage, their family, their parenting, just their quality of life.
Speaker 4: And I've always said I know a lot of seventy
Speaker 4: five cent words. I just try not to use them.
Speaker 4: I try to explain things in common sense, usable terms,
Speaker 4: and I try to put verbs in my sentences so
Speaker 4: people say, Okay, if I do this, then i'll get that.
Speaker 4: If I do this, I'll get that. And when you
Speaker 4: choose the behavior, you choose the consequences. It's just that simple.
Speaker 4: That's the way it's supposed to be. And those things
Speaker 4: people are still interested in. But you know, Senator, I've
Speaker 4: heard a shift in people's concerns of late that have
Speaker 4: really impacted me because I've started to hear. In addition
Speaker 4: to those things, other questions people saying, you know, we
Speaker 4: have a You talked about the fact that I worked
Speaker 4: with jury's a lot, and I did, and I always
Speaker 4: looked at a jury and said, there are at least
Speaker 4: thirteen personalities in that twelve person jury box. You got
Speaker 4: twelve individuals, and then you've got to elective personality over
Speaker 4: there as well. And the same thing is true in
Speaker 4: our communities. We heard a very gracious host to this
Speaker 4: dinner to I talk about things in Illinois. There's a
Speaker 4: collective personality in those communities in Illinois, it's very different
Speaker 4: than the collective personalities in certain other communities. And people
Speaker 4: are writing in saying I've always been concerned about my
Speaker 4: kids at school. Are they learning, are they getting along,
Speaker 4: are they being accepted? Are they being bullied? And now
Speaker 4: they're saying I'm concerned about what they're being talked to about,
Speaker 4: what they're being taught. And I look at some of
Speaker 4: these things that are coming up. I look at what's
Speaker 4: being taught in the universities right now, and I'll get
Speaker 4: into more detail about that. But I'm hearing people ask
Speaker 4: questions about so social issues. We've got social media platforms
Speaker 4: where kids can order drugs have them delivered to their
Speaker 4: house like Postmates or something. And one hundred percent of
Speaker 4: those pills are counterfeit and forty percent of them have
Speaker 4: lethal fatal dose is a fentanyl laced within them, and
Speaker 4: it seems like nobody's doing anything to curb that at
Speaker 4: these media platform companies and very concerned about this.
Speaker 2: Well, when you bring that up, do you get pushback
Speaker 2: from those companies when you say, Hey, what are you
Speaker 2: guys doing? Do you worry about that? They're not either
Speaker 2: listening or they're canplicit in it.
Speaker 4: I get double talk. I get pushed back into terms
Speaker 4: of double talk. Well, we have this policy about this,
Speaker 4: we have this policy about that. And look, there's two
Speaker 4: sides to every coin. There are challenges to that. There
Speaker 4: are difficulties these because they'll delete an account and it
Speaker 4: pops back up in another name the next day, and
Speaker 4: then there are challenges. But more can be done, More
Speaker 4: needs to be done, and I am concerned the reason
Speaker 4: that I am changing what I'm doing. And look, I've
Speaker 4: had twenty one years. I've had the longest running show
Speaker 4: in the history of the Paramount Studios, Wow, and they've
Speaker 4: been there for over one hundred years, had the longest
Speaker 4: running show in the history of the Lot. And I've
Speaker 4: been in partnership with CBS and they've been wonderful partners
Speaker 4: and Paramount has been great.
Speaker 3: We talk a lot on this podcast about how the
Speaker 3: corporate media right now is broken, that they're not reporting news,
Speaker 3: that they are propagandists and they are advocating a point
Speaker 3: of view. There's a lot you said there that I
Speaker 3: want us to get into. But one of the things
Speaker 3: that stood out to me as you're talking about kids
Speaker 3: and the pressures on our kids. Ben has young children.
Speaker 3: I've got two teenage daughters. You have young grandchildren, And
Speaker 3: I got to say, from the perspective of parents and grandparents,
Speaker 3: the pressures that are on our kids right now are
Speaker 3: qualitatively different from what we.
Speaker 2: Experience in twenty four to seven. They can't get away
Speaker 2: from the bat.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just assaulted online with social media. They're
Speaker 3: confronted with themes and messaging and influence that is deliberately
Speaker 3: poisoning them. And how do you What about that worries you?
Speaker 3: And what should parents be doing about that?
Speaker 4: Well, a lot about it worries me because it's not
Speaker 4: just that there's competing information out there our children today.
Speaker 4: And if I sound like a conspiracy nut, I tell
Speaker 4: you I'm not a conspiracy nut. And I ask anybody
Speaker 4: that's listening to my voice right now. You said I've
Speaker 4: written nine books, that's true, And after I wrote the
Speaker 4: last one, I told Robin, I'm not writing a tenth
Speaker 4: one until I write an autobiography, and I'll be so
Speaker 4: old that I won't know what it says. One of
Speaker 4: the things I talk about is the fact that our
Speaker 4: children aren't just being exposed, they're being targeted. And when
Speaker 4: I say targeted, I wrote a book in I think
Speaker 4: two thousand and four called Family First, and at that
Speaker 4: time I said, the family in America is under attack,
Speaker 4: that families in America are under attack, the family unit,
Speaker 4: the family values, everything that families stand for in America
Speaker 4: are under attacked. This was twenty years ago. Let me
Speaker 4: tell you, it is so much worse now than it
Speaker 4: was then. And when I say they're under attack, one
Speaker 4: of the ways is what's happening on the Internet. What's
Speaker 4: happening on these social media platforms. People don't understand algorithms,
Speaker 4: including me, But I got myself in touch with experts
Speaker 4: that do understand this. And good example of what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about. Research was done where they put together some accounts,
Speaker 4: put a girl's name on it, fourteen years old, just
Speaker 4: her name, fourteen years old, opened this account, and within
Speaker 4: a matter of a few hours, she started getting targeted
Speaker 4: with toxic information. By that, I mean information that led
Speaker 4: her to eating disorder sites, suicidality sites, different kinds of
Speaker 4: things that were really unhealthy. They said, whoa, that's really shocking,
Speaker 4: and so they said, let's push this a little further.
Speaker 4: They opened another account with a name and just added
Speaker 4: a few words that said weight loss. The amount of
Speaker 4: toxic feed that went to her, content that went to
Speaker 4: her went up multiplicatively within the first few hours. The
Speaker 4: algorithm picked up those words. And what they do is
Speaker 4: they feed you what you will click on. So it
Speaker 4: was like eight ten times more toxic information. They're being
Speaker 4: targeted with what they will click on, full well knowing
Speaker 4: that it creates anxiety, depression, loneliness, confusion, self hatred. And
Speaker 4: if you want to create chaos in a society, where
Speaker 4: do you start. You attack the children, if you get
Speaker 4: them to hate themselves, be questioned who they are, what
Speaker 4: they are, what what's that going to do to the
Speaker 4: next generation and the next generation? And right now we
Speaker 4: have the highest levels of anxiety, depression, loneliness among our
Speaker 4: young people. Then since we started keeping records, how.
Speaker 2: Much does that due to the breakdown of the family
Speaker 2: you look at. I was talking to a teacher the
Speaker 2: other day that said they had their parent teacher conference.
Speaker 2: Not a single father for the third year in a row.
Speaker 2: Showed up in the public school to meet the teacher night,
Speaker 2: not a single dad, And they said, the problem is
Speaker 2: now you have so many fathers that abandon being a
Speaker 2: father and the government's become the father. The bills are
Speaker 2: being paid by the government. The mom is there and
Speaker 2: saying I'm doing the best I can. But then the family,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned in attack, but these kids are growing
Speaker 2: up without two parent households. How damaging is that to
Speaker 2: society today?
Speaker 4: Well, I believe it's very damaging society. And you know,
Speaker 4: call me old fashioned, Well, I believe the role a
Speaker 4: man in the family is to be a teacher, a leader,
Speaker 4: a protector. There are these roles, but the man in
Speaker 4: the family is to fulfill and if that's not being done,
Speaker 4: that needs to change. And where does it start it
Speaker 4: starts you clean your own house first. And you know,
Speaker 4: we talked about the fact that there's an absence of
Speaker 4: role models. And in the absence of those role models,
Speaker 4: I tell people all the time, you're not in the
Speaker 4: best of circumstances. You are not going to be the
Speaker 4: only voice in your child's ear. You better make damn
Speaker 4: sure you're the best voice in your child's here. The
Speaker 4: best voice, the one that comes from love and care
Speaker 4: and concern and frequency repetition. And know who they're talking to,
Speaker 4: know who they're listening to, know who. People ask me
Speaker 4: all the time, how much confidentiality do I owe my
Speaker 4: child on the internet? Zero? It's your job to know
Speaker 4: who your child is talking to you on the internet.
Speaker 4: It's your job to know who's talking to your child
Speaker 4: on the internet. That's your job. They're miners. They can't
Speaker 4: see around corners. Their brains won't be finished growing until
Speaker 4: they're twenty five, twenty six, thirty years old, and the
Speaker 4: last part that grows is the neo cortex, and that's
Speaker 4: where they get foresight, the ability to predict the consequences
Speaker 4: of their actions. It's your job to see around the corner.
Speaker 3: For what it's worth. There are a lot of members
Speaker 3: of Congress that still haven't grown yet.
Speaker 4: Well, we could name a few, but if you want
Speaker 4: an argument for me, you're gonna need to change the subject.
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Speaker 3: So what truth can't we talk about right now on
Speaker 3: the existing avenues of communication? What is the truth that
Speaker 3: that we're not allowed to get into.
Speaker 4: Well, let's you pick it. Whether you're talking about science, history, biology,
Speaker 4: you pick it. What's happening right now, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: is the narrative in America is being hijacked, and it's
Speaker 4: being hijacked by the fringe. It's not even it's not
Speaker 4: like the left versus the right. It's the fringe. And
Speaker 4: I call it the tyranny of the fringe, because what's
Speaker 4: happening is you have these these these entities, these factions
Speaker 4: in the fringe that are using emotional extortion and if
Speaker 4: they have a self reference agenda, whether it's about the
Speaker 4: meritocracy in America, whether it's about toxic masculinity, whether it's
Speaker 4: about transgenderism, whether it's about our history in America with
Speaker 4: regard to slavery, or whatever you choose. There are these
Speaker 4: factions that are taking extreme positions, and if you don't
Speaker 4: fall in line, then that's where cancel culture comes in,
Speaker 4: and you get attacked, and you get attacked on the
Speaker 4: internet to the point that they'll contact your job, they'll
Speaker 4: contact your church, they'll contact your friends. And there's something
Speaker 4: that I know a lot of people listening read nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty four YEP, which by the way, was written in
Speaker 4: nineteen four eight by Orwell. How prophetic was he in
Speaker 4: writing this? And he talked about how people would be unpersoned.
Speaker 4: We call it cancel culture if they call it in person,
Speaker 4: where they would just they would just delete that person.
Speaker 4: They would just take away everything from them. And that's
Speaker 4: what happens in cancel culture. You take away people's livelihood,
Speaker 4: you take away their support system, you take away their friends.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying there aren't people in this society
Speaker 4: that have done terrible and egregious things that don't deserve
Speaker 4: to play in the game. But there are also a
Speaker 4: lot of people that get swept up into not buying
Speaker 4: into the rhetoric. And if you don't, then what I
Speaker 4: believe to be a tiny percent of fringe tyrants that
Speaker 4: attack and single those people out, cut them out of
Speaker 4: the herd, single them out and try to unperson them,
Speaker 4: just eliminate them. We don't need a cancel culture. We
Speaker 4: need a counsel culture. What happened if somebody says something
Speaker 4: they shouldn't say, use a word they shouldn't say. I
Speaker 4: did a couple of shows last season called you can't
Speaker 4: say that. I got fifty seven feet a laser screen
Speaker 4: seven and a half feet high, and fill them with
Speaker 4: words you can't use that.
Speaker 2: You could have used twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: Probably, yeah. And that's something referred to as presentism, where
Speaker 4: you take the mores and folk ways of today and
Speaker 4: apply them to the mores and folk ways of one
Speaker 4: hundred years ago and hold them to a standard. And
Speaker 4: what it's like is, say there's a speed limit in
Speaker 4: a neighborhood that's twenty, and you drive through there at
Speaker 4: twenty day after day after day. Then they come in
Speaker 4: to decide, well, we're going to make it ten and
Speaker 4: so they come and give you a ticket for ten
Speaker 4: over and well, wait a minute, it was twenty when
Speaker 4: I did twenty you so well, I know, but we
Speaker 4: changed it to ten. You should have foreseen that it
Speaker 4: was going to be ten and driven ten, so we're
Speaker 4: giving you a ticket. That's what's happening to a lot
Speaker 4: of people today that you know, one hundred years ago,
Speaker 4: two hundred years ago, they behaved in a way that
Speaker 4: was acceptable then, but it isn't now, and so they're
Speaker 4: judged by the standards of today.
Speaker 3: For what was well. And that leads, of course to
Speaker 3: people trying to cancel our founding fathers, trying to pull
Speaker 3: George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln off of buildings
Speaker 3: and statues, and trying to conclude that everyone who founded
Speaker 3: America fails by modern sensibilities. And I'm going to say
Speaker 3: one of the things that I really respect is I
Speaker 3: think you have shown a lot of courage on your show,
Speaker 3: having people who dare challenge some of these shibboleths, who
Speaker 3: dare challenge the extreme transgender ideology. You've had guests who
Speaker 3: make radical arguments like women actually exist, which from the
Speaker 3: dawn of human time didn't used to be a radical
Speaker 3: argument until about twelve minutes ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting that the biggest criticism I've got that
Speaker 4: I have received is giving multiple sides of an argument
Speaker 4: an opportunity to have an intelligent conversation. Yep. And what
Speaker 4: I've had from certain sides is they say, listen, thank
Speaker 4: you for having me on. You really do your homework,
Speaker 4: and you treated me with dignity and respect. We had
Speaker 4: an intelligent conversation. I just don't understand why you let
Speaker 4: those people come here and talk. And I said, well,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but they're going to have an opportunity to
Speaker 4: say what they have to say.
Speaker 3: Well, and you talked before about meritocracy. I know you
Speaker 3: care a lot about that. What are your thoughts on meritocracy?
Speaker 4: Well, I believe that this is a great countrymen, I'm
Speaker 4: very clear about that. I love this country. I love America.
Speaker 4: I stand up for the national anthem, I put my
Speaker 4: hand over my heart for the flag. I really do.
Speaker 4: I think this is a great country. Is it perfect?
Speaker 4: Of course, it's not perfect. But I love this country
Speaker 4: enough to be able to acknowledge its flaws and fallacies, sure,
Speaker 4: and not be defensive about it. Is it perfect? No,
Speaker 4: does everybody start in the same place in this country, No,
Speaker 4: they don't. And should we do everything we can to
Speaker 4: give those that are less advantage than others a better
Speaker 4: running start, Absolutely we should. But I have these people
Speaker 4: talking about they want a quality of outcome. They don't
Speaker 4: even want a quality of opportunity, they want a quality
Speaker 4: of outcome. That doesn't work for me. I think this
Speaker 4: is a country that you work hard and you create
Speaker 4: your own experience, you create opportunities, and I think right
Speaker 4: now we're courting a victim mentality in this country. And
Speaker 4: I see it all the way to the college level.
Speaker 4: You see professors now that are teaching men, young men
Speaker 4: that are coming to college that being ambitious, having entrepreneurial ideas,
Speaker 4: setting goals, getting out there and doing the things that
Speaker 4: give you an opportunity to get ahead and provide for
Speaker 4: your family. That that's all ghost, that's that's not what
Speaker 4: you should be doing. That you should be trying to
Speaker 4: bring everybody along. It seems awfully hypocritical to me that
Speaker 4: you're charging ridiculous fees for these elite universities to get
Speaker 4: the edge, and then you get in there and they say, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, you don't need an edge because everybody needs
Speaker 4: to come out the same. Which is it?
Speaker 2: Everybody, give Doctor Phil a big round replause for joining us,
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