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Speaker 1: am Mary Katherine. And by the way, Happy path.

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Speaker 2: Kilmar Abrago Garcia accidentally deported to El Salvador. You know what,

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Speaker 1: Why do we do that?

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Speaker 2: And for those people saying, you know, all universities get

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Speaker 2: don't talk about not not you and I, but our society.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we went through a time where we

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Speaker 2: were like, yeah, we can't have these kids be on

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Speaker 2: the screens, and then everyone just gave up. I think

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Speaker 2: pandemic probably was well de yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think Jonathan hates the anxious generation has made

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Speaker 1: it interested again.

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Speaker 2: My thing with that is that I think that the

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Speaker 2: kids use screens in a totally different way now, and

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Speaker 2: they use it, they use it like many televisions and

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Speaker 2: I talk about this and I write about this. This

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Speaker 2: is this is one of my pet peeve issues where

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Speaker 2: they use the TV. They used the phone as a

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Speaker 2: mini television, and I do too. I watch little clips

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Speaker 2: all the time. I watched, you know, reels, little I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know on.

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Speaker 2: TikTok, but they are essentially tiktoks. And I think that

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Speaker 2: they're using it in a in a not social media

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Speaker 2: way anymore. And that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, uh, when because I hear parents talk

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Speaker 1: about it a lot, because there were a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who had to have their kids on a bunch

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Speaker 1: of shares during the pandemic, I was yeah, or they

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Speaker 1: just had to work so they had to do what

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Speaker 1: they had to do. Sure, I will say that if

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Speaker 1: you if you cold turkey your kids for a while,

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Speaker 1: you will see behavior improvements, for sure. Yeah. And it's

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Speaker 1: sort of, uh, it's like one of the it's like

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Speaker 1: many parenting things were, like climbing the mountain is hard, right,

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Speaker 1: once you get to come down, you've made your life

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Speaker 1: easier by working hard in that way.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, that's really it. You've solved your kids adhd well.

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Speaker 1: I do think this piece feels a little vibe shifty

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Speaker 1: because it was like it has a bit of a

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Speaker 1: maha message. Yeah, like, hey, maybe we shouldn't be medicating

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Speaker 1: our kids to extent. And that's not to say that

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Speaker 1: some kids do not need it, some do, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: but yes, to consider the evidence and to say one

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Speaker 1: of the founders, like one of the standby guys of

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Speaker 1: ADHD studying and the main scientist who undertook the first

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Speaker 1: randomized control trial in this, I didn't know this. He's like,

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Speaker 1: the benefits are good for a year, right, for twelve months,

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Speaker 1: for six months, eight months a year, but if you

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Speaker 1: check thirty six months later, there's no difference in the

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Speaker 1: control group that's not getting yeah medication versus the one

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Speaker 1: that is. And I had never heard that before, and

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Speaker 1: I like to have that information absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if this changes anything with how this is diagnosed.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like this kind of thing takes a

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Speaker 2: while to shift, and you're right, it is a vibe shift.

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Speaker 2: Something is different here about them being able to say this,

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Speaker 2: and you know, here normally we're glad they're telling the truth.

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Speaker 2: That's really all that we want to hear. We'll see

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Speaker 2: where it goes. From there. Thanks for joining us on

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