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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: At a high school track meet, a track star from

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Speaker 2: one team stabs a track star from another team dead

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Speaker 2: in the last days, a press conference being held for

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Speaker 2: the alleged killer degenerates into chaos and the victim, Austin

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Speaker 1: Is thrown out.

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Speaker 2: That's right, the victim's father is thrown out of the

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Speaker 2: press conference.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: The father of a teen boy stabbed dead a track

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Speaker 2: meet in Texas was just thrown out of a press conference.

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Speaker 2: The conference was being held for the alleged killer. The victim,

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Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf's father, Jeff, was then attacked with shocking insults,

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Speaker 2: insults from the defendant the suspects supporters. Austin Metcalf's dad, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: went to a press conference organized by supporters of a

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Speaker 2: seventeen year old young man, the alleged killer, Carmelo Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Now the dad.

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Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf had been standing with the press, was taken

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Speaker 2: out of the venue when police recalled to the Next

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Speaker 2: Generation Action Network's headquarters there in Dallas. What sparked this

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Speaker 2: turn of events? What do we know.

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Speaker 3: Austin Metcalf is a seventeen year old straight a student

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Speaker 3: and football star at Frisco Memorial High School. But what

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Speaker 3: is supposed to start out as an ordinary track of

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Speaker 3: the ends in tragedy for the prodigious athlete.

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Speaker 2: Two twin brothers scrubbed in sunshine. One bleeds out dead

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Speaker 2: in the arms of his twin brother as we go

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Speaker 2: to air tonight. What I perceive to be an outrageous defense.

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Speaker 2: First of all, listen to this.

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Speaker 4: And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the

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Speaker 5: During a track meet between Memorial High School and Centennial

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Speaker 5: fall and athletes take cover under tents with their respective

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Speaker 5: teams at Kukendall Stadium. Memorial High School athlete Austin Metcalf

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Speaker 5: finds Centennial High School athlete Carmelo Anthony under the Memorial

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Speaker 5: from under his team's tent. When Anthony refuses, words are exchanged,

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Speaker 5: and Anthony tells Metcalf, touch me and see what happens.

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Speaker 2: He first heard from the victim's father. That from our

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Speaker 2: friends at Foxford joining us an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of.

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Speaker 1: A senseless and brutal stabbing.

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Speaker 2: I cannot get the image out of my mind of

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been to plenty of high school track events,

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Speaker 2: my son has been involved in track from the get go,

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Speaker 2: and I can't even imagine a fatal stabbing over a

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Speaker 2: seat and a tent straight out to special guests joining us.

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Speaker 2: Katie Barber, Senior digital content producer at mysan Antonio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Katie, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What do we believe happened that led up to the

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Speaker 2: horrible stabbing death of this young star athlete? Literally scrubbed

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Speaker 2: at a track mate.

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Speaker 6: It's really not clear why he had a knife at

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Speaker 6: One witness told police they were sitting with Metcalf under

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Speaker 6: as Carmelo Anthony, came over to them and he is

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Speaker 6: and reached inside and said, touch me and see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, hold on, Katy Barber joining me from my

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Speaker 2: San Antonio dot com. Who said what? Who sat down where?

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Speaker 2: Who said what? And who said touch me and see

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Speaker 1: Give me proper names.

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Speaker 6: One witness told an officer that they were sitting with

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Speaker 1: While they were in the tent.

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Speaker 6: The witness said, Metcalf told Anthony to leave the tent,

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Speaker 2: Well, somebody had a weapon because Austin stabbed dead.

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Speaker 1: To Lisa Herrick.

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Speaker 2: Joining us, veteran juvenile attorney partner at Vargie Somerset, this

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Speaker 2: is important, former juvenile prosecutor, Lisa, thank you for being

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: That's enough time to form premeditation right there now. I

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Speaker 2: know that you defend juveniles after having been a juvenile prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: But the reality is under the black and white letter

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Speaker 2: of the law, Okay, premeditation, the intent to kill, or

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Speaker 2: the intent to commit any act can be formed in

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Speaker 2: the blink of an eye, the twinkling of a moment,

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Speaker 2: drawn out period for premeditation or planning mensraya, malicea forethought

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Speaker 2: for us to say, long drawn app period of poisoning

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Speaker 2: someone every single day, just a tiny bit of arsenic

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Speaker 2: and then they die. It can be formed just like that.

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Speaker 2: Why do I care? Because premeditation or malicea forethought? Mince

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Speaker 2: raya is a key factor, the critical ingredient in a

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Speaker 2: murder one prosecution, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: Intent is one of the main elements of a murder

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Speaker 7: or an assault, an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon

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Speaker 7: that turns into a murder. Because in Texas we have

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Speaker 7: a number of different ways that murder can be committed,

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Speaker 7: or the language for murder can be alleged, one of

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Speaker 7: which can be that you intend for a person to die,

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Speaker 7: but another can be that your actions, your intentional or

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Speaker 7: knowing actions, are such that you would know that a

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Speaker 7: would die. So stabbing someone in the heart, you would

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Speaker 7: certainly know that a person would die if you stab

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Speaker 7: someone in the heart, and that knowledge or that intent,

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Speaker 7: like you said.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, Lisa Harriet joining me veteran trial lawyer, Lisa,

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely correct. And I've got a great example, because

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Speaker 2: when I speak to jury's very often, or really anybody,

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Speaker 2: and I can't tell I can't state that this was

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Speaker 2: my idea. I got it from someone in the New Testament.

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Speaker 2: I like to give examples, okay.

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Speaker 1: Stories.

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Speaker 2: For instance, if I take a gun and point it

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Speaker 2: right over at my executive producer right here, Jackie, and

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Speaker 2: pull the trigger and then say, I just meant to

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Speaker 2: scare her. I didn't mean to kill her. The law

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Speaker 2: presumes you intend the natural consequence of your act. You

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Speaker 2: The law presumes you intend the natural consequence of your act.

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Speaker 2: So when you take the time to go to your

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Speaker 2: the previous threat touch me and see what's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: All of that adds together to make a premeditated murder case.

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Speaker 2: Now you have not only prosecuted juvenile cases felonies, which

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Speaker 2: is a whole other animal prosecuting injvenile court, GV court

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Speaker 2: versus big court. What's your defense in this case, Lisa?

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Speaker 2: What would your defense possibly be? Is it true that

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Speaker 2: a stand your ground defense is brewing?

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Speaker 1: How can that percolate? That didn't happen?

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Speaker 7: A standard ground defense is hard in this fact situation

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Speaker 7: because stand your ground law presumes that the victim is

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Speaker 7: somewhere that they are not supposed to be right. You're

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Speaker 7: defending your space when stand your ground law applies. And

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Speaker 7: certainly Austin was in a place where he was allowed

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Speaker 7: to be. No, I think Carmelo probably was allowed to

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Speaker 7: be where he was as well.

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Speaker 1: It's a public place right.

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Speaker 7: But in order to claim stand your ground and in

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Speaker 7: order to use that as your defense, you have to

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Speaker 7: be defending your space. And so I know Carmelo is

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Speaker 7: saying that Austin put hands on him. But deadly force

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Speaker 7: is self defense theory that is supposed to be used.

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Speaker 7: Deadly force meets deadly force. Self defense is not medica.

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Speaker 2: Lisa, Again, you're absolutely correct regarding the letter of the law.

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Speaker 2: I like to use this example. You can't slap me

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Speaker 2: As for instance, I can't battle back against your fly

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Speaker 2: swatter with a machine gun. So you said it deadly

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Speaker 2: force equals deadly force. But here, isn't it true that

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Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf was unarmed? So to introduce a deadly weapon

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Speaker 2: that's deadly force versus no force correct?

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Speaker 7: And even more so self defense without a deadly weapon.

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Speaker 7: Regular self defense is not a justifiable defense to use

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Speaker 7: against words alone. The law says that words are not

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Speaker 7: sufficient provocation to use self defense.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Everybody was able to semail Son only gurney with a

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Speaker 8: He wasn't breathing.

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Speaker 1: His OSU rolled back in his head.

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Speaker 3: Centennial High School's Carmelo Anthony reaches inside his bag, grabs

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Speaker 2: At first, you were hearing Austin's father speaking to our

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Speaker 1: Devastated.

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Speaker 2: I cannot even imagine what it would be like for

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Speaker 1: In his arms trying to stop the blood.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have understood it if I didn't have twins

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Speaker 2: that play all their sports together, that do everything together.

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Speaker 1: Having your twin bleed.

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Speaker 2: Out dead in your arms, let me go straight out

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Speaker 2: to a special guest joining us, also like Lisa Herrick

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Speaker 2: joining us from this jurisdiction. Doctor Kimball Crowns with US

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Speaker 2: Chief Medical Examiner Terrent County. That's Fort Worth never lack

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Speaker 2: a business in that morgue. A stameed lecturer at the

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Speaker 2: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas Christian University and

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Speaker 2: launching a brand new podcast, Meg Him in the Morgue.

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Speaker 2: April fourteen, Doctor Kimbrill Crowns, I know you've studied the

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Speaker 2: case very carefully. Was there a way his twin brother

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Speaker 2: could have saved Austin.

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Speaker 9: I know there wouldn't have been because the stab wound

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Speaker 9: was in the heart unless he could be gotten to

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Speaker 9: an emergency room like immediately, and they may have been

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Speaker 9: able to save him, but more likely than not, he

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Speaker 9: was going to die anyway. That type of injury to

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Speaker 9: the heart, there's just really no coming back unless you're

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Speaker 9: basically in ther when you get stabbed. Explain why, Because

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Speaker 9: it's your heart, it's you know, it's all your blood's

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Speaker 9: coming through there, it's all being pumped out. And then

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Speaker 9: bleeding into your chest cavity, and you have to close

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Speaker 9: because of the size of the hole. It's it's near

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Speaker 9: impossible to save that individual, and just putting pressure on

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Speaker 9: they're just going to bleed into their chest cavity.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about what you're saying, doctor Kindall Crowns

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Speaker 2: because Katie Barber was Austin stabbed in the heart.

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Speaker 2: Not stabbed in the heart, stab in the chest. Does

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Speaker 9: Little to the side one way or another. You've punctured

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Speaker 9: It's more probably centralized hitting them.

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Speaker 7: In the art.

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Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, the teen boy Austin Metcalf's

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Speaker 1: But I know this.

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Speaker 2: I know the victims mother and father. Austin's mother and

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Speaker 1: Do you feel confident in that?

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Speaker 9: I feel very confident in that. If he puts his

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Speaker 5: Seventeen year old Austin Metcalf is being held by his

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Speaker 2: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed

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Speaker 2: happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice.

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Speaker 2: For an in depth look at the facts, see what

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Speaker 2: Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National

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Speaker 3: Witnesses report a squabble over seating at a track meet tent,

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Speaker 3: resulting in the fatal stabbing of football star Austin Metcalf.

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Speaker 3: The suspect, a fellow seventeen year old student.

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Speaker 2: Athlete, listen to Austin's brother.

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Speaker 10: First off Roe. Second, I didn't know what to do

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Speaker 2: The mother, Megan metcalf and so much pain. She can't

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Speaker 2: That is from our friends at the Will Caine Show

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Speaker 1: Kavey, explain to me the.

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Speaker 2: Logistics of what Hunter, the twin brother just said.

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Speaker 1: Where was he, what did he observe.

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Speaker 2: And what, if anything, did he do when he saw

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Please explain.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when police arrived, they immediately. They said they could

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Speaker 1: On and around him.

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Speaker 6: They coordinated with officers to secure the area. He said

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Speaker 6: didn't see the stabbing take place, but he was turning

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Speaker 1: He said that. In an interview after the event.

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Speaker 2: He says, at first he froze for just a moment

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Speaker 1: Joining me.

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Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory, psychologist, mediator specializing in forensic psychology.

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Speaker 1: Dog Delatory, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What is that human reaction when you freeze for just

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Speaker 11: A trauma response, number one. It's the idea that what

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Speaker 11: And because it's his brother, and because of the connection

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Speaker 11: That's his brother, and the trauma of all of this

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Speaker 11: A lot of the witnesses have to do those kinds

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Speaker 2: A school resource officer first to the scene, take a

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Speaker 12: A school resource officer is first on the scene and

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Speaker 12: confronts Carmelo Anthony, telling the suspect to put his hands

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm not alleged I did it. Joining me now.

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Speaker 2: In addition to our other guest, Barry Hutchinson, renowned law

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Speaker 2: enforcement that of twenty six years detective now chief operator

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Speaker 2: of very In Associates Investigative Services.

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Speaker 1: Very thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear what the suspect said, keeping in mind

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Speaker 2: that at this juncture the suspect is innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 1: But very earlier we heard that there are about.

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Speaker 2: Two dozen witnesses this is a high school track meet

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Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, that said, did you hear what the

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Speaker 2: According to Anthony Anthony, here's the school resource officer say

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a pretty damning utterance from an evidentiary value.

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Speaker 13: And you know, he pretty much admitted to the crime

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you what the state is going to do

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Speaker 13: Well, the witnesses are going to contradict what he says anyway,

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Speaker 13: And you know there's twelve of those folks, apparently or more,

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Speaker 13: The state's going to move form prosecution. From that point,

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Speaker 13: his defense is going to be that it's you know

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Speaker 1: Forced Lisa Herrick joining me, veteran trial lawyer.

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Speaker 2: In this jurisdiction, Lisa explain again in a nutshell what

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Speaker 1: As to defense. And you know what, I haven't even

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Speaker 2: These sick conspiracy theories that are multiplying promulgating online. Get

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Speaker 2: to that in a moment. But I pray that Austin's

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Speaker 2: at me, Lisa Herrick, and I know that you can

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Speaker 2: stand your ground, how and the hey is that going

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Speaker 2: and there. If you're so disposed standing your ground. You're

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Speaker 2: explain how that's going to work in a high school

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Speaker 7: Right, stand your ground. We commonly use the phrase no

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm reading the supplemental arrest report and the narrative

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Speaker 1: The track at the north end. There was a chain.

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Speaker 2: Link that separated officer Cortes from the suspect. Cortes gives

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Speaker 2: digital content producer my san Antonio dot Com, Katie. My

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Speaker 2: understanding from having read the police reports and the witness

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Speaker 2: statements is that the suspect goes under the other size tint, right,

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Speaker 2: the other school's tint. At that point, Austin says, this

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Speaker 2: isn't your tent, get.

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Speaker 1: Out of here.

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Speaker 2: At that point, at that point, what does the suspect do?

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Speaker 6: Police says that when he's told to move out of

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Speaker 6: the tent, that he grabbed his bag, opened it and

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Speaker 6: reached inside. And this is when he tells Austin touch

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Speaker 6: me and see what happens, according.

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Speaker 1: To police, and so naturally Austin touched him, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 6: Police say that he proceeded to touch Carmelo, and then Carmelo

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Speaker 6: then postures and tells Anthony and tells Austin to punch

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Speaker 6: him and see what happens a short time later.

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Speaker 2: Police don't say, so you're understanding, Katie Barber, where any

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Speaker 2: punches THROWNE Did Austin ever hit the suspect hit?

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Speaker 6: It doesn't say. It says he grabbed Anthony after that

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Speaker 6: threat to tell him to move, but it doesn't. But

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Speaker 6: police do not say. Witnesses did not tell police that

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Speaker 6: he was punched. But when he was grabbed by Austin

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Speaker 6: is when he pulled out the knife and stabbed him

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Speaker 6: once in the chest, is what police say.

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Speaker 3: A witness reported a police escort Carmelo Anthony to a

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Speaker 3: squad car. Anthony says he put his hands on me.

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Speaker 3: I told him not to. Anthony also asks officers if

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Speaker 3: the victim was going to be okay and if what

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Speaker 3: happened could be considered self defense. Officers take evidence photos

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Speaker 3: showing blood on Anthony's hands, but don't find the knife

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Speaker 3: on him.

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Speaker 2: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed

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Speaker 2: twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide? Yes,

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Speaker 2: that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed

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Speaker 2: door meeting. He first named it a homicide. Why what

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Speaker 2: happened to Ellen Green? A huge American miscarriage of justice.

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Speaker 2: For an in depth look at the facts, see what

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Speaker 2: Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National

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Speaker 2: Center for Missing and Exploited Children. How does a teen boy,

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Speaker 2: a twin star athlete in Texas end up stabbed dead

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Speaker 2: at a track meet of all places?

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Speaker 1: Listen to US's dad.

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Speaker 8: Great haunting trip with me and him and Austin and say,

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna come over and see you this week, so

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Speaker 8: can look forward to it. Hey, So I love you.

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Speaker 8: Dad has to love you, Tucson. Those were the last words.

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Speaker 2: Ever heard from me, the father and the twin speaking

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Speaker 2: to our friends at Dallas Morning News. What about the

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Speaker 2: blood evidence in this case? With conflicting witness reports, with

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Speaker 2: the suspect claiming self defense is stand your ground although

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Speaker 2: no punches were seen thrown, that blood evidence becomes critical.

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Speaker 2: Remember it was raining, the track meet is outside.

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Speaker 5: Listen as law enforcement and paramedics arrive on scene. The

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Speaker 5: rain is falling harder. One officer moves the memorial tent

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Speaker 5: over the victim of medics trained to save his life,

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Speaker 5: and finding the bloody knife in the stands, quickly takes

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Speaker 5: photos of it before the rain could wash away. All

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Speaker 5: the blood. A blue tarp is used to cover the

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Speaker 5: knife in an effort to preserve the evidence, and because

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Speaker 5: it was so windy, the officer uses a nearby backpack

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Speaker 5: to weigh down the tarp. He doesn't realize at the

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Speaker 5: time the backpack belongs to suspect Carmelo Anthony photo.

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Speaker 1: No, juris don't want just a photo.

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Speaker 2: They want DNA, do yoxuribo and nukleic acid. Straight out

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Speaker 2: to renown medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns joining us from

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Speaker 2: this jurisdiction of Texas.

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Speaker 1: Dodger Kendall Crowns the.

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Speaker 2: Murder what we believe to be the murder weapon, a

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Speaker 2: knife covered in blood had been thrown or obscured. Let

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Speaker 2: me just say ephemistically, and it was pouring rain. What's

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Speaker 2: the likelihood that we can get DNA off that knife?

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Speaker 1: Because the state needs the suspects DNA and the victim's

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Speaker 1: DNA off that knife, Well, they.

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Speaker 9: Should probably still be able to get DNA from it,

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Speaker 9: unless it was scrubbed clean with a cleanser or a

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Speaker 9: soap of something of that nature. There's probably still enough

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Speaker 9: DNA on the handle on the knife itself to be

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Speaker 9: able to get a good DNA sample. Also, you have

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Speaker 9: to figure because of the contact between the two boys,

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Speaker 9: there's probably a way of getting DNA from the victim

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Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 1: Kat Barber, where exactly was the knife discovered?

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Speaker 6: It was discovered in the bleachers on the north side

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Speaker 6: of the stage at stadium, which is where.

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Speaker 1: The hey did he get in the blazers, Katie?

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Speaker 6: He ran off after the stabbing. It didn't quite say

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Speaker 6: a total direction, but he did run off. And it's

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Speaker 6: presumed that he threw the knife when he ran off,

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Speaker 6: because he didn't have the weapon on him when he

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Speaker 6: was detained.

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Speaker 2: Right a minute, right there, Katie barbermisan Antonio dot Com

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Speaker 2: to doctor John Delatory. If someone attacked me, and I

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Speaker 2: thought back, I wouldn't take off running and then hi

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Speaker 2: the weapon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 11: But here's the thing is that if Anthony saw a

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Speaker 11: bunch of other people, dozens of other people that were

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Speaker 11: also around and in that tent, he might have felt overwhelmed,

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Speaker 11: he might have felt scared. He could have done all

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Speaker 11: of these things just as a matter of panic. So

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Speaker 11: he runs off knowing that he shouldn't have stabbed this person,

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Speaker 11: but he did it anyway. He throws a knife away,

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Speaker 11: he takes off thinking that he's going to get very far.

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Speaker 11: There's all of things that could be happening, because it

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Speaker 11: does not appear as though he intended to go to

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Speaker 11: that track meet with the specific purpose to kill Austin Metcalf.

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Speaker 11: It does seem like things were going on underneath that

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Speaker 11: tent that neither one of these two boys were prepared for,

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Speaker 11: and both are now suffering the consequences, with Austin having

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Speaker 11: lost his life for some kind of nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Lisa Herrik, you see where this is going.

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Speaker 2: The state is going to argue to a jury he

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Speaker 2: ran off and disposed of the weapon because he.

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Speaker 1: Knew what he did was wrong.

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Speaker 2: And then immediately began forming a defense in his mind

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Speaker 2: and even asked law enforcement, Hey, could that be self defense?

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Speaker 1: You think that's self defense?

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Speaker 7: There are a couple of things that cut in favor

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Speaker 7: of the self defense argument, and those are that he

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Speaker 7: did run away if he was scared, and he.

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Speaker 1: So he stabsa Austin scared.

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Speaker 2: Isn't he the one that said touch me and find out?

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Speaker 2: Is that he the one to say, go, oh, punch me,

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Speaker 2: just see what happens. That doesn't sound scared to me, I.

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Speaker 7: Don't disagree with you, but getting into his mind for

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Speaker 7: a moment, and the argument that the defense is going

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Speaker 7: to make right, they have to come up with someone

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Speaker 7: I do.

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Speaker 1: I have to get in his mind.

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Speaker 7: So if he'll say I was scared, I stabbed him.

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Speaker 7: I felt like the danger was subdued enough that I

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Speaker 7: could now safely escape, then then I can see how

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Speaker 7: running away would cut in favor of self defense.

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Speaker 1: I can see what you're saying. How running away?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you just said, have you ever heard the price

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Speaker 2: word salad? Because I heard one. Okay, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: what did you say about the threat was subdued? You

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Speaker 2: may he stabbed Austin in the chest? Is that what

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Speaker 2: you're talking about? So if the threat is subdued, why

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Speaker 2: run then?

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Speaker 7: Because there were plenty of other people around who were

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Speaker 7: potentially new dangers, right, people who saw him.

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Speaker 2: So now I don't know what you're saying. You're making

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Speaker 2: that up like a good defense attorney. What other people

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Speaker 2: presented a danger? Nobody?

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Speaker 1: What are you serious? Well, I mean, he stabs Austin

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Speaker 1: dead and then he is in danger.

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Speaker 7: Of what retribution? People who want to hurt him. Now

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Speaker 7: that Carmelo hurt.

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Speaker 4: Their friend was able to see my son only gurney

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Speaker 4: with a huge hole and blow all over him and

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Speaker 4: they were pumping him. He wasn't breathing.

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Speaker 1: His eyes would rolled back in his head. From our

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Speaker 1: friends at Fox four.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the alleged killer Carmelo Anthony

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Speaker 2: walks free from jail after a controversial decision by a

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Speaker 2: judge to lower his bond on charges he stabbed and

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Speaker 2: killed Austin Metcalf, who was unarmed at the time he

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Speaker 2: was stabbed. What more do we know? No one saw

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Speaker 2: punches being thrown, nothing like that. The suspect and the

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Speaker 2: victim had never even met, according to sources.

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Speaker 10: Listen, and then I went my head around and then

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Speaker 10: all sudden I see him run another bleach grabbing his chest.

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Speaker 10: Just a lot of us are now, he said, the South.

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Speaker 2: There you see Austin's brother Hunter speaking out. From our

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Speaker 2: friends at the Whealcane Show on Fox. Why ask why?

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Speaker 2: How many times has that been said in a courtroom?

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Speaker 1: A million?

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Speaker 2: But as you all know, the state is never required

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Speaker 2: to show motive. Teams kill for apparently no reason at all.

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Speaker 5: Listen, high school Spanish teacher noih. Mcgrabor is known for

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Speaker 5: enjoying an afternoon walk at a park in Fairfield, Iowa,

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Speaker 5: when she turns up missing. Retracing her steps begins in

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Speaker 5: the park. The body is found covered by a tarp, wheelbarrow,

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Speaker 5: and railroad ties, and she suffered head trauma. Cops don't

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Speaker 5: have to look much further than incriminating social media posts

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Speaker 5: of two sixteen year old students, Jeremy Goodell and Willard Miller,

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Speaker 5: from the school where Graver teaches.

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Speaker 2: One of the high schoolers thought they might get a

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Speaker 2: bad grade, and so two of them go and murder

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Speaker 2: the tea shirt.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I murder over what I c minus.

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Speaker 2: Then there is another star student all A's that commits

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Speaker 2: murder Derrick Rossa.

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Speaker 1: I need to know if your mom is is greeting,

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Speaker 1: she said, Miss, I have the gun with me.

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Speaker 8: I was going to shoot myself, but I didn't want to.

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Speaker 10: I hope more family members they can take care of

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Speaker 10: my sister.

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Speaker 7: I took take schuldres.

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Speaker 6: And I told my friend about it was that bad.

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Speaker 2: That is teen boy Derek Rossa. Bill don't know any

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Speaker 2: motive as to why he killed his mother, and then

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Speaker 2: sent the photo of her sleeping in bed, now dead

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Speaker 2: to friends, then asking was that bad that I killed

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Speaker 2: her and sent photos to friends? So attain kills for

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Speaker 2: what motive?

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Speaker 1: None? And there's more.

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Speaker 5: Tristan Bailey, last scene wearing her cheerleader uniform, went missing

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Speaker 5: on Mother's Day in Jacksonville, Florida. Surveillance video shows her

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Speaker 5: at one fifteen am. She's walking with a fourteen year

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Speaker 5: old classmate, Aidan Fucci. When police pick up Fucci for questioning,

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Speaker 5: he posts a photo of himself in the back of

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Speaker 5: a police car giving the V sign with the caption,

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, has anybody seen Tristan lately? He also posted

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Speaker 5: a Snapchat video having fun in a beep cop car.

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Speaker 5: Tristan's body is discovered in a secluded wooded area. She's

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Speaker 5: been stabbed one hundred and fourteen times.

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Speaker 2: This little girl was not raped, was not assaulted, There

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Speaker 2: was no robbery.

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Speaker 1: So what was the motive? Apparently none and more.

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Speaker 5: Jay Williams is fifteen years old. The day he and

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Speaker 5: sixteen year old Randy Thompson lewre a fellow classmate, Michael

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Speaker 5: Russell to his own home, where they stab him multiple

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Speaker 5: times in the chest, back and neck. Russell's mother returns

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Speaker 5: home from running errands and finds his lifeless body in

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Speaker 5: the backyard. Williams and Thompson say they wanted to see

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Speaker 5: what it felt like to kill someone.

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Speaker 2: Lisa Herrick joining us that are in trial lawyer in

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Speaker 2: this jurisdiction of Texas, so number one for Austin. Even

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Speaker 2: if this did happen to have touched the suspect.

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Speaker 1: On the shoulder and said get out of our.

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Speaker 2: Tent, that is not going to justify under self defense

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Speaker 2: a deadly attack with a knife. And as far as motive,

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Speaker 2: you just heard all of those similar cases where teens kill,

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Speaker 2: they don't really have a motive.

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Speaker 1: The state doesn't have to prove motive, do they. The

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Speaker 1: state does not have to prove motive.

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Speaker 7: And that's mainly because it is nearly impossible to get

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Speaker 7: into the mind of a charged a defendant unless they

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Speaker 7: tell you what they were thinking. In this case, we

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Speaker 7: know that Carmelo is going to claim self depends, but

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Speaker 7: we don't know what he was actually thinking, and so

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Speaker 7: the state wouldn't be able to prove a motive without

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Speaker 7: knowing what he was actually thinking.

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Speaker 2: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed

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Speaker 2: twenty times, including in the back allegedly die of suicide. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed

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Speaker 2: door meeting he first named it a homicide. Why what

679
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice.

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Speaker 2: For an in depth look at the facts, see what

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Speaker 2: Happened to Ellen? On Amazon. All proceeds to the National

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Speaker 2: Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Teen boy Austin Metcalf

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00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: stamped dead at a high school track mate. Apparently no

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Speaker 2: justification for the stabbing, but at this hour, evil sick

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories are promulgating online, including a fake autopsy report

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Speaker 2: Katie Yes.

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Speaker 6: The fake autopsy report that has been police have warned about.

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00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 6: Police have issued multiple warnings publicly on their social media

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Speaker 6: channels about false statements from the police chief that have

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Speaker 6: not come from him, as well as this medical report

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Speaker 6: that shows the primary cause of death being a drug

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Speaker 6: overdose with the secondary cause of death being a stab wound.

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Speaker 6: Police have said that report has not been released, so

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Speaker 6: any sort of images purporting to be the autopsy report

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Speaker 6: are not true.

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Speaker 2: Texas Police as we go to air warning about misinformation

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Speaker 2: being promulgated on line, they are also warning people Katie

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Speaker 2: Barber not to disseminate the false theories under threat of

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Speaker 2: what hampering, a hampering or handering a police investigation.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and they've also said that people who are pretending

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Speaker 6: to be officials like propagating this information can also be

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Speaker 6: charged with a third degree felony of impersonating a public servant.

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Speaker 6: So there are charges at play, and they are investigating

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Speaker 6: with the FBI into these matters.

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Speaker 2: What kind of an evil, sick person would create a

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Speaker 2: fake autopsy report suggesting that this boy, a star athlete,

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Speaker 2: died of a drug overdose. But obviously it's someone that

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Speaker 2: is signing with the suspect and trying to tarnish the

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Speaker 2: reputation of a young boy, a young boy with all

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Speaker 2: as star athlete and beloved Twin.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Twin, listen to his brother Hunter, We're just

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Speaker 1: one person.

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Speaker 10: We did everything the same.

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Speaker 1: We're just exactly a lie, Twighton.

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Speaker 8: We had no we had a.

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Speaker 10: Couple of differences, but most of the stuff we did

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Speaker 10: together and the stuff we had this he fell as

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Speaker 10: one person. So it's like we disconnected so well, and

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Speaker 10: everything we did.

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Speaker 2: At a press conference for the alleged killer, Carmelo Anthony,

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Speaker 2: the father of the victim, Austin Metcalf, is led out

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Speaker 2: of the press conference. Chaos surrounds this case, but at

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Speaker 2: the heart of the case, a teen boy has been stabbed.

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Speaker 2: Is there a defense We don't know yet. This must

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Speaker 2: play out in a court of law. We wait as

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Speaker 2: just as some folds. Goodbye friend,