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Speaker 2: Hey rain drops.

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Speaker 3: So on today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm

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Speaker 1: I know I feel like there's a friendly competition between

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Speaker 2: I have a great relationship. They're not going to say

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Speaker 3: So I would have send a producer who has a

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Speaker 2: And the example I want to give you, Danny is this.

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Speaker 3: Remember last season when Garsel in front of the group

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, so you think they're all afraid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're all afraid of Kathy. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also Kathy, Kathy became the fan favorite too.

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Speaker 2: Mcgook exactly exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: When that happens, and this is just me giving y'all

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Speaker 2: What does y'all give into how much money is she making?

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Speaker 3: And I believe that's the reason why Lisa Rena has

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Speaker 1: Jay right right. And the other thing I want to

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Speaker 2: Lisa Renna is a red flag.

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Speaker 3: She is a Lisa red flag Renna.

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Speaker 3: I have been very I'm not gonna say hard, I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think sometimes one of the interesting things about

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Speaker 3: It makes a whole lot of sense, because what I

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Speaker 3: She's looking like Harry Styles every time she comes on

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I have to live at that myself.

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Speaker 1: She looks I think she looks great, but it's it

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's like she needs to be in one direction.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know. And this is the sad part.

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Speaker 2: Make that very clear, then then I do want to

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Speaker 3: But if Kathy, in the heat of the moment, talks

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Speaker 2: And it's like, stop overreacting. I feel like, and.

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Speaker 3: Quote me on this, I think Lisa Ena is jealous

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Speaker 2: You can't afford to lose me.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think it's so interesting that they are.

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Speaker 1: Obviously is something else that happened. I mean, those rumors

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Speaker 1: if you are understanding exactly like this outsized reaction to

437
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Speaker 1: just Kathy stomping around on her glasses and yelling at

438
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Speaker 1: her sister.

439
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: Could not agree more? Couldn't agree more?

440
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 3: And before we move on to Erica Janks, I would

441
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Speaker 3: love to get your thoughts on her and Garcell's friends Schuri. Allegedly,

442
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 3: it has been said that they are still editing the season. Allegedly,

443
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: it has been said that the women were not allowed

444
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Speaker 3: to watch the last two episodes of the season to

445
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Speaker 3: prepare for the reunion. There was a moment during this

446
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: season where out of nowhere, the episode was dark, meaning

447
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: a new episode did not air when it was supposed to,

448
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 3: and people were alleging that they were maybe an edit

449
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: because Kathy allegedly may have hired a lawyer looked through

450
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 3: the footage and let's not forget Lisa Renna did say

451
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Speaker 3: that Kathy he allegedly said I will take down NBC

452
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Speaker 3: and Bravo. So do you think Kathy has lawyers involved

453
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 3: and it's a much bigger situation than you and I

454
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Speaker 3: can't even imagine.

455
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Speaker 1: Okay, you just also pointed out she said Kathy said

456
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Speaker 1: she's going to take down NBC and Bravo. Well, the

457
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is, why would Kathy say that

458
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Speaker 1: if she just got in a fight with her sister,

459
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: like there had to have been something else or else.

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Speaker 1: Why would Kathy have even said that, Like, it doesn't

461
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Speaker 1: make any sense. So she would have only said that

462
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Speaker 1: if she said or did something like out crazy, that

463
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Speaker 1: she would have had to take down NBC and Bravo.

464
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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. It's confusing as the viewer,

465
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Speaker 1: and I wish somebody would step in. This is a

466
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Speaker 1: moment where I wish they would break the fourth wall,

467
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: and they did that. I remember on the Tennise season,

468
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: we had a producer come in and yell at Denise,

469
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Speaker 1: like saying, this is reality whatever. Remember that guy, I

470
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Speaker 1: don't remember who it was, but he came on screen

471
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: and yelled at Denise and it's.

472
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Speaker 2: Like, this is what I need, Churlin.

473
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Speaker 1: This is when I need somebody to step on screen

474
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Speaker 1: and kind of piece it together, or or I need

475
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: to hear a producer in a confessional asking these women,

476
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: what do you think of this? Like, give me a little.

477
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: You don't have to break the fourth wall entirely, but

478
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give us more information because it's

479
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: hard for the viewer. And especially like Carlos, you and

480
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: I like we pay attention to kind of the blogs

481
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: or news stories or something like. I feel like I

482
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: am someone who knows a lot about this stuff behind

483
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: the scenes, I hear things whatever. But for the average viewer,

484
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: I think this is very confusing. I always say my

485
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: family's in Ohio, and I always use this example, but

486
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: it's like my brother and sister in law, if they're

487
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: sitting down to watch, they're not They're confused, and this

488
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: is just making it harder for them to understand what's

489
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: going on. So why would they want to watch a

490
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: show where they can't even fucking understand what everyone's arguing about.

491
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: It's like they need to be better. And I love them,

492
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: and I love the show and I love the producers,

493
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: but they need to be better about explaining what's happening now.

494
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Speaker 2: Listen.

495
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Speaker 3: I could not agree more and it goes to show

496
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: you that Kathy's money is much longer be Denise Richards,

497
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, the only power

498
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 3: Denise Richard had was them disinviting Brandy Glanville from the

499
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: virtual reunion.

500
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Speaker 1: Okay, so moving on, I miss Denise.

501
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm on Denise back too.

502
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: I actually like Denise, and I was so mad, like Denise,

503
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 3: who gives a fuck if.

504
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: You went downtown on Brandy allegedly? Like who cares? It's

505
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: not the end of the world, Like whatever, whatever. I digress.

506
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: I know she played it wrong totally, but guess.

507
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: Who's playing it right? In my opinion, And this is

508
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: about to be.

509
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: Possibly the most controversial statement of this episode. I am

510
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: enjoying and loving me some Erica Jane this season.

511
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Speaker 1: Okay, Carlos, I was this episode. I really did kind

512
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: of like her. I really did sort of like her,

513
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: and I haven't liked her the whole season, but I

514
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: feel like this episode was the first time where, at

515
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: least for me watching felt like she really stepped into

516
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: the villain a role in a way that I think

517
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: that she should and that works for the show and

518
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: for her, because I don't know, there was something about

519
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: the way that she was saying, like Kathy's not going

520
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: to get away with it and everything. I don't know.

521
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I got like chills just because I felt like she

522
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: finally went into the villain role and it's like, yeah,

523
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: you are a villain. And I sometimes am watching and

524
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: lately and the press, there's been all these A listeners

525
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Lawrence and John Hamm. Basically Jennifer Lawrence outright

526
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: called her evil, and it's like, for so long, I

527
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: feel like she hasn't been leading into the fact that

528
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: she might be evil or maybe thinks that she's not evil,

529
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: and now finally this week, I was like, oh, you're

530
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: playing evil now finally.

531
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Speaker 3: Right, Which Okay, I may have said this on a

532
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: different episode, but I'll share with you, Danny. One of

533
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: the things about being a reality TV producer is a

534
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: very tight knit community of a producers. We all know

535
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: each other because one thing I don't think the world

536
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: knows is when you are a reality TV producer, you

537
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: typically hop and jump from show to show like you

538
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: can do Beverly Hills Housewives and hop into Atlanta. Love

539
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: is Blind on Netflix too, freaking million dollar listing, Like

540
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: the rotation of jobs you can have is that extended

541
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: because you're a freelancer at the end of the day.

542
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Speaker 2: So I've always been told.

543
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Speaker 3: That Erica Jane, even from her first, second, third, and

544
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: fourth season, has always been spicy. And what was so

545
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: interesting is when you watch her earlier seasons, she comes

546
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: across as very fun and lighthearted, a girl's girl, you know,

547
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: a gay's gay, you know what I mean, Like like

548
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: the homegirl next door. But I've always been told she

549
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: had allegedly a little villainous to her right, and I

550
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: always wonder when she's gonna play into that side of

551
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: her the way Kenya plays into it, the way Megan

552
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: mc came played into it on.

553
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: The View, you know what I mean, like the controversial woman.

554
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: And I agree with you that I have enjoyed her

555
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: for the past two episodes because I'm like, finally you're

556
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: stepping into who, in my opinion, you really are and

557
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: controversial statement. Again, I'm kind of agreeing with her take

558
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: on a few things.

559
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: Well, I did agree with her take on a few

560
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: things too. Overall not so much. But this past episode,

561
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: I definitely felt I liked her a lot, and I

562
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: think we're so starved on Beverly Hills for people to

563
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: play into the villain role, because you know, I look

564
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: at someone like Dured and I know you feel similarly

565
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: about this. Like Durit's earlier seasons, she was also a

566
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: different person and she wasn't afraid of being outspoken and

567
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: playing into the villain role as well. And I feel

568
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: like Durreed is someone who's gotten so neutered down lately,

569
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not really I think part of it is

570
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: because their media trained and they don't want to come

571
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: across as bad, and after so many seasons, they see

572
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: how the game is played, especially with something like Beverly

573
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: Hills where the fan base is so invested into the show,

574
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: and if they have a one wrong move, then Twitter

575
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: is in an uproar about their performances on the show,

576
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: and they, you know, get mad at them and all

577
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff. And so I look at

578
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: someone like Deriet and I'm like, she's a newter down

579
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: version of what she was when she first started.

580
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: Oh well, honey, you and my rain drops know how

581
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: I feel about Dery, And everything you're saying is one

582
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: hundred percent accurate. And I think that's the reason why

583
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: we're loving Erica.

584
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: Well, let me not say we childs.

585
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't, but it's one of those

586
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: people who you love to hate or hate to love,

587
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: right because ever since Brandy Glamville left Real Housewives of

588
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills was missing a villain who owned that space.

589
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: And though it's a tough space to be in and

590
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: it takes a lot of strength to deal with the

591
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: you know, the reaction from the audience, Brandy stood in

592
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: it and when she left or got fired.

593
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: She it was a missing element.

594
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: And Erica Jane is so delicious to watch her interviews

595
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: when she plays to the camera with the smoky you know,

596
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: you know, the smoky mascara.

597
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: You know, the eyeshadow.

598
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: I want more of that, And I think at the

599
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: end of the day, I want Erica Jane to be

600
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: the Megan McCain of the Real Housewives of Billy Hills.

601
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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you brought up Brandy Glanville because I

602
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: totally agree, and I miss a presence like Brandy Glanville

603
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: on the show. Like I think these shows need someone

604
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: who's not afraid of a audience. Reaction and b being

605
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: completely the one who's stirring up the drama. I think

606
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: Brandy was so necessary on this show for so many years,

607
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: and I know it didn't end well for her, but

608
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I missed that kind of vibe.

609
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: Baby, there's a new villain in reality television. And they

610
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: made their appearance on the season premiere of The Kardashians,

611
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about none other than Tristan Thompson.

612
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean that premiere I was so fascinated by because

613
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Speaker 1: a I wasn't expecting it to just be about Chloe.

614
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: The whole hour was about Chloe's storyline, which normally in

615
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: the first season of that show, they're doing everyone's storylines together,

616
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: mixing it up, and usually they're giving us some there's

617
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: always like one sea plot that is just completely bonkers,

618
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: like scripted Chris doing something wacky. I guess we sort

619
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: of still got that because Chris had a whacky moment

620
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: in this episode where she like forgot that she owned

621
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: a condo. But it was so interesting how it was

622
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: produced that they just decided to like, Hey, everyone's talking

623
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: about this Chloe stuff. Let's get everyone talking about the

624
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: premiere and just make the whole premiere about that so

625
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: that it's something it's dramatic, and also it's a different

626
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: form for the show, and I thought it was interesting.

627
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so too.

628
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: And I want to talk to my rain drops a

629
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: little bit because you know, I have Malikah on this podcast.

630
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: She's a friend of mine, a very close friend, and

631
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: because of her, I got a chance to meet Chloe

632
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: and I met Chloe on two separate occasions while Malik

633
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: and I were working on one of my other shows

634
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: called Hollywood Divas maybe five years ago, and Danny Pellegrino,

635
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: when I say to you, Chloe Kardashian is one of

636
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: the nicest people in the world, and not just nice

637
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: in a very superficial way that some celebrities can act

638
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: when when they feel like they're on These are moments

639
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: to where is behind the scenes and she doesn't have

640
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: a camera on her and it's just like me, her

641
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 3: and Malika just kicking the shit.

642
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: I want people to.

643
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: Know that Chloe is so sweet, she's so nice and bitch.

644
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 3: She is stunning in person, gorgeous. She's a gorgeous girl.

645
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: I've heard anecdotally two people who have worked with them.

646
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: I've really only heard good things about how they are

647
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: off camera. I mean, for the most part, I've heard

648
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: such great things about Kim off camera, people who've worked

649
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: on those shows or worked with them in other capacities,

650
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: which I yeah, I think sometimes working in the industry

651
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: or something, you hear from people, and oftentimes you hear

652
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: about this person's not very nice when they're off camera.

653
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think sort of the reputation I've heard

654
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: of at least, which could be completely wrong, but that

655
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: they're nice.

656
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm here to vouch for that and say

657
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: that is very, very true. And the reason why I

658
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: wanted to bring that up first, Danny is because, Okay,

659
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: I don't get emotioned on this podcast because it's a

660
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: fun podcast, but I really I felt so bad for her,

661
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: and I'm going to tell you why, and I would

662
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 3: love to get your.

663
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Speaker 2: Opinion, Danny.

664
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Speaker 3: She seems so sad throughout the entire episode, and she

665
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: really is affected, obviously, like any woman would buy what

666
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: Tristan did to her by knowing in July that he

667
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: got another woman pregnant and never told her, and the

668
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: fact that he allegedly well, well shit, they said this

669
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: on the show, and Tristan was on the show, so

670
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 3: he signed the lease.

671
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: That was all good in the hood.

672
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chloe said that Tristan knew about this other child

673
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: in July based on the court documents that they received,

674
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: and during those months of July, August, September, in October,

675
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 3: he was encouraging her.

676
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: To have this baby, like, let's have the baby together.

677
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: And when she found out in November, she found out

678
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: after Thanksgiving, a few days after Thanksgiving that the embryo

679
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: took and a week later is when it was revealed

680
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 3: that this motherfucker had another baby.

681
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: And she alluded to the fact.

682
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was she, Kim or Malika,

683
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: but it was alluded to the fact that Tristan was

684
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: trapping Chloe in the sense of if we have this

685
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 3: baby together while I know this secret, then you are

686
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: kind of like forced to be with me, and for.

687
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: That reason, she might forgive me for this.

688
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, she might.

689
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: Oh, she might forgive me for this and this you

690
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 3: are listen, you are one of the most shadiest motherfuckers

691
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: ever in human life, because at the end of the day,

692
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: you could have prevented all of this by just being

693
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: honest about what was going on. Because she's given you

694
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: so many chances after chances after chances.

695
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: The thing that made me most emotional about the whole

696
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: episode and the whole situation was I was really thinking

697
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: about these this family that they've made their livelihood really

698
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: being honest and open about their lives, whether it be

699
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: on the show or on social media. They've pretty much

700
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: bared the whole lives out there, and I really, for

701
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: the for I think the first time, really had that

702
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: sort of oprah aha moment of like they've put themselves

703
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: in this living hell where they have to show the

704
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: world of what's going on in their lives. And then

705
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: I could see Chloe being so upset just thinking about

706
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: how the reaction she's going to get from people when

707
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: they find out she's having this baby with Tristan. So

708
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: the whole episode, she's really worried about telling people and

709
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: she doesn't want it publicly out there, and I was thinking,

710
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: what a hell she put herself in that they can't

711
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: even really get out of. And it's like, yes, they

712
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: have all this money and they can do whatever they

713
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: want monetarily, but they're living in hell. It's hell.

714
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And one thing that you know, I want

715
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: to share with the listeners is the fact that look,

716
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 3: being a public figure, being famous, being someone who has

717
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 3: you know.

718
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 2: Your face out there.

719
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 3: Yes, there's tons of blessings that comes along with that.

720
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: Be very clear. The Kardashian has so many blessings to

721
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: be thankful for. And one thing I love about the

722
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: family is they are very spiritual, and we saw that

723
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 3: in the premiere when Courtney Kardashian reflected on the Bible

724
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 3: and babies being a blessing. The dark side to being

725
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: famous in the public eye or whatever, is this weird

726
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: relationship you have with social media, because social media can

727
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: either be a fun playground or it can be like

728
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: sixty days in any to where you are trapped in

729
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: this world where everything around you is darkness and you

730
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: have to have this strength to live your life without

731
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: a care in the world of what people are thinking

732
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: about you. Because what you just identified, Danny is What

733
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: also made me sad with Chloe was the fact that

734
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: she was evidently hurt by what Tristan did, but she

735
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 3: was also dealing with the fact of public embarrassment and

736
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: people trolling her on social media based on something she

737
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: didn't know, and that to me just sort of goes

738
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: to show that we have to show a little bit

739
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: more grace to our reality stars because at the end

740
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: of the day, they're giving us their full life on camera,

741
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 3: some of them, and it's an opportunity for us to, like, you.

742
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: Know, make a comment here or there.

743
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: But Chloe Struggles was really about to me, and I

744
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 3: think to you as well, Danny, about the social media

745
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: father that was going to come her way.

746
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a moment where I was watching it too,

747
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, they should have just walked away,

748
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: because I think when it comes to the TV show

749
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: aspect of it, they can't hide a whole lot like

750
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: they Yes, they have control over editing, and I'm sure

751
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: they do get certain things taken out. I think there's

752
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: been rumors that Pete's going to be largely removed from

753
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: the season, So I think they do have a lot

754
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: of power when it comes to production. But still when

755
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: something like that happens, they know they are going to

756
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: have to address it. Whereas I think in my own

757
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: life if something like that happened, I'd be like, I

758
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: don't have to fucking address it, Like I can address

759
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: what I want and I don't have to. But with

760
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 1: the show, they have so much money, and I really

761
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: thought like, maybe they should have just walked away. And

762
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that was ever their plan to really

763
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: end the show, but I still kind of feel like

764
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: they should have taken their money and ran and they

765
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: still could have controlled what they wanted got out there

766
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: when it came to social media, and they still could

767
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: have ran their businesses. But it just seems like, why

768
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: are you guys doing this? I don't know, I don't.

769
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: Know, no, no, no. I thought the same thing.

770
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: So when it was announced that E and the Kardashians

771
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 3: were going to collectively cancel Keeping Up with the Kardashians

772
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: as a reality TV producer and again as somebody who

773
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: you know say I'm close to the family by any means,

774
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: but somebody who's.

775
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: Been around them, my.

776
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: Initial reaction was, you guys had a good run, and

777
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: it's the perfect time to get off of reality TV

778
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: because you guys are so famous that the show no

779
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: longer is about this funny, wealthy family who's on the

780
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: verge of fame, and you get to see all the

781
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: hygiens of like being married for seventy two days, or

782
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: you know, dealing with the breakup or Scott disick, you know,

783
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: having these unfortunate situations happened to him. I felt like,

784
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: you know what, good for you guys to end on

785
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: a high note and use social media to pump your

786
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: products in your endorsements the way Kylie does. Kylie was

787
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: a billionaire first and Miss Thing is on television twice

788
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: a year, like she has no presence on TV, but

789
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: she's the most wealthy.

790
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: And I'm with you, Danny.

791
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: I think based on what happened, I think they've given

792
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: the world so much in themselves and as the king

793
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: of reality television, I want to give them their flowers and.

794
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: Say thank you for the entertainment.

795
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: But I think based on what's happening with Kim and Kanye,

796
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: Pete ray j now and of course with Tristan, well,

797
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: unfortunately happened, you know at the concert and Travis Scott, like,

798
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: I feel like it may be the time to say,

799
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: you know what, it may not be what we thought

800
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: it was, and maybe we should bow out gracefully.

801
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: And I don't imagine that they need the Hulu paycheck,

802
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: because I really do think they could walk away. They

803
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: have billions of followers on social media, I mean even

804
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: just from social deals and using the social media platform

805
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: to promote their own businesses. I think they'd be so

806
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: monetarily fine, more than fine to move on without the show.

807
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: I think that early on in the Kardashian days, like

808
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: the show was sort of the platform and that helped

809
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: grow all these other aspects of their career. But like

810
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty much topped out, Like how many more

811
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: followers can they really get? Like they they use the

812
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: show to their advantage, and now they should ride off

813
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: to the sunset and use all their following that they

814
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: got to sell their wares and everything, and they'd still

815
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: be rich as fuck.

816
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: Oh and and closing, I think that it may be

817
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: time to just step away from reality television and Chris

818
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 3: Jenner step into the Real Housewives of Billy Hills because

819
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: I would love to see what you, Kathy Kyle, and

820
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Lisa Renna can do.

821
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: That's that's my opinion, right And we also, just.

822
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: While we're on the topic, I need Kim Richards back

823
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: next season on the Real House's Beverly Hills, like I

824
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: need to know where Kim stands. I feel like it

825
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: would add such an interesting layer to the Real Houses

826
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills of like seeing where Kim is in the

827
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: Kathy and Kyle of Law and they need it. It

828
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: has to happen.

829
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 3: Well, you heard him here far we want Kim Richard's

830
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 3: back from the Iconic Danny Pellegrino.

831
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Danny.

832
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: Let the audience know where they can find you, follow you,

833
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: support you, all that good stuff.

834
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Carlos. I love chatting with you,

835
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: so thank you. You can find me on social media

836
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: at Danny Pellegrino. I have a book out called how

837
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: Do I Unremember This? So maybe people can pick that up.

838
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: I'd love it. And my show is called Everything Iconic,

839
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: which you can get wherever you listen to your podcast.

840
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: All rain Drops.

841
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: I can talk to Danny all day, every day of

842
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: the week.

843
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: He is my sister from another mister. Come out, Danny.

844
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: I love him.

845
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: He has such great insight on these reality shows, and

846
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: it's nice to know that there's someone out there who

847
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: loves Erica Jane.

848
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: Being a villain as much as I do.

849
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: Yes, Danny, we got to buy him back on to

850
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: talk about this season of Potomac when it airs in

851
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 3: a few weeks. So Danny, if you're listening, clear schedule girl.

852
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,879
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855
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