Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that? Culture? Yes? Goodness calling. We
Speaker 1: are back in the hallowed space of Ronnie de Simone's apartment.
Speaker 1: Now did he say that? Right? Did that? Simone or
Speaker 1: de Simone Simone? You know, look, I don't. I think
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like you were trying to tell you
Speaker 1: what you were trying to do. You were trying to
Speaker 1: make what you felt would make his name more interesting,
Speaker 1: and that's what you were trying. Sometimes I give a
Speaker 1: note on names, and you were actually you know what
Speaker 1: you just did? What did I do? You correctly pronounces
Speaker 1: Raven Simonia's name. Everyone believe it's Simone Raven Simone because
Speaker 1: she doesn't have an accent over the e. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: her failing, that's absolutely I win. She's someone who asked,
Speaker 1: you know, standard linguistic you know whatever, annotations. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell I'm talking about. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'll cop to this. I was trying to sound smart
Speaker 1: and cultured, but I failed. There you go, breaking news,
Speaker 1: breaking news, breaking news here on culture, and we have
Speaker 1: further breaking news. Yes, Matt, go ahead, everyone, Um, this
Speaker 1: is heartbreaking to say, but we've experienced an influx of
Speaker 1: requests for Sluck to perform around town. The town being
Speaker 1: New York City and Sluck is our duo. We we
Speaker 1: dressed and filthy, garbage, garbage makeup and dance and lip
Speaker 1: sync to a mashup of stuff. Sluck is retired, so
Speaker 1: Sluck will no longer perform because Luck is very physical
Speaker 1: and we're going to break our bodies. But you can
Speaker 1: see Sluck one more time at the last theme party
Speaker 1: you ceb East, which is to be determined when that
Speaker 1: is going to be. But that will be Sluck's last
Speaker 1: performance other than that. Sorry, but Sluck will Stuck is
Speaker 1: only a memory. This was a mutual decision, so um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels right. Um, But anyway, I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: be back here because we're here for a very special
Speaker 1: reason in Ronnie de Simone's apartment, aren't we. We are
Speaker 1: here for a special reason. We have an amazing guest,
Speaker 1: and um, we'll get to that guest in a second.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. By nature of this guest being here,
Speaker 1: this is a musical episode. And you know that what
Speaker 1: that means. It means it means we are joined by
Speaker 1: not even friend of the show, best friend of best
Speaker 1: friend of the show, best friend, soulmate of the show,
Speaker 1: historical historical part of last culture. Is that absolutely we're
Speaker 1: here with pianist. Is it pianist or pianiste from? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I guess, well, how would you say where you're from?
Speaker 1: I said pianist. We have wide a sounds. This is
Speaker 1: the dulcet tones of Henry Koperski. You're hearing everyone, Hi, Henry, Hi,
Speaker 1: thank you. That is so sweet to call me the
Speaker 1: best friend and soulmate. I would say that you are
Speaker 1: an intricate part of the show, the fabric of the show.
Speaker 1: And you're you're back here for Is this the fourth
Speaker 1: time you've been on the show if you count. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. I suppose it is, yes, And
Speaker 1: that's that might be the record. I'm sort of here
Speaker 1: every episode because I did compose the Oh my god, wait,
Speaker 1: have we given proper credit for that? Have not given
Speaker 1: proper credit? Guys? The new Loss Culture is to theme song,
Speaker 1: which some people have reached out to us about. They're
Speaker 1: a little confused about why we had to change it.
Speaker 1: It's very obviously legal reasons. Becaun't license by the Dixie Cups,
Speaker 1: but Henry Kaperski so so so graciously wrote us a
Speaker 1: theme song yes and um it's a beautiful song. Thank you, Henry.
Speaker 1: I was an honor to do. I also wrote the
Speaker 1: theme song for Matayo Lan's podcast Yes, which is called
Speaker 1: The Closet Inside the Closet with m Wilman. So that's
Speaker 1: maybe that'll be my thing. I think it's your new niche,
Speaker 1: your new niche. Now that's not to say that you're
Speaker 1: not busy, because I was truly guided when I heard
Speaker 1: about Henry's upcoming activities is huge. Tell us about what
Speaker 1: you're going to be doing at fifty four below. In
Speaker 1: the month of May, I was reached out to sub
Speaker 1: for a music director because he couldn't do a show,
Speaker 1: and you know, the pay was right, so I said yes.
Speaker 1: And the person's the person whose show it is is
Speaker 1: Countess Luanne Countess and I have never I'm not bragging,
Speaker 1: this is just true. I've never seen even a minute
Speaker 1: of any Desperate Housewives Real Housewives. He didn't even know
Speaker 1: the name. He thought it was the Desperate Housewives. And
Speaker 1: that's how off the grid he is. I used to
Speaker 1: be just like you and not not not not but
Speaker 1: a month ago did. I start watching, and I gotta
Speaker 1: say it's good. I'm really charmed by it. And Luanne
Speaker 1: especially is a great, great, great person. Oh good, I'm
Speaker 1: excited to meet her. She's been through a lot, She's
Speaker 1: been through a lot, She's had a tougher but she
Speaker 1: she handles everything, all her hardship with such grace and diploma.
Speaker 1: And that's what I my most about her. She's been
Speaker 1: through a lot of ship in life, but she always, always,
Speaker 1: always picks herself back up. That's I have a lot
Speaker 1: of respect for that. If you want to hear the
Speaker 1: story of lou and this is really a true, real
Speaker 1: story of Loue that was told on this podcast, go
Speaker 1: listen to the episodes Seek Treatment with Pat Regan and
Speaker 1: he tells the story of lou when she got in
Speaker 1: a car accident in the Alps and um had to
Speaker 1: like became afraid of driving, became afraid of driving, had
Speaker 1: to but like with with her kids, rolled off the
Speaker 1: side of I did listen to this episode. I am.
Speaker 1: My other credit is I'm Pat Regan's biggest fan. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: Henry is Pat Regan's biggest fan. Although I can give
Speaker 1: you a run for that. I can give you a
Speaker 1: run for that too. Oh my got Pat and I
Speaker 1: are gonna go see once on This Island in April
Speaker 1: together last week. One of the best things I've ever
Speaker 1: ever seen. Yeah, and that is actually that's actually a
Speaker 1: beautiful segue, a beautiful segue into our guests and to
Speaker 1: our guests. Now we've recorded, We've just recorded three stunning
Speaker 1: musical moments with our guests. Henry is accompanying UM here
Speaker 1: in the studio. Truly a superstar. This the show that
Speaker 1: we're promoting. UM, it's called I Want to Be Your
Speaker 1: Man Now. Henry and I saw this and we we
Speaker 1: saw it fifty four below and it was one of
Speaker 1: the best shows we saw. We had a great seat,
Speaker 1: we were right off the stage. That was a true Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were at the further stage. Matt's jaw was on
Speaker 1: the table the whole time and wept multiple times. I did.
Speaker 1: I cried. I'm very open during shows and performances, every
Speaker 1: show and performance, and very open no matter what, even
Speaker 1: if it's in the basement and it's improv I'm crying.
Speaker 1: But this had me moved to the nth degree. I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised this guest, truly, I think everyone in the
Speaker 1: room is privileged to see her. I mean anytime she
Speaker 1: she performs on stage. And the show is happening again.
Speaker 1: An updated version of the show is happening again. It's
Speaker 1: Amy Joe Jackson's I Want to Be Your Man. It's
Speaker 1: on April thirtem This is right of the thirteenth, but
Speaker 1: embraced the good part about that. Don't be scared of
Speaker 1: any almonds, you know, I mean, I don't be scared.
Speaker 1: I was what do you call it, not spontaneous superstitious child.
Speaker 1: I was a very superstitious child, and uh my mom
Speaker 1: has me afraid of Like I don't wear socks in
Speaker 1: the bed because I feel like someone will come out
Speaker 1: of the closet. I don't walk under ladders because I
Speaker 1: feel like I'll die. I never step on cracks. If
Speaker 1: you want someone to come out of the closet, just
Speaker 1: wear some socks in bed. Actual culture number six, if
Speaker 1: you want someone to come out of the closets in
Speaker 1: the bed. Um and this show, where is it gonna be.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be at Green Room forty two in space
Speaker 1: And this is unbelievable. Not a drink minimum in sight, honey,
Speaker 1: just good times and one night only again nine thirty
Speaker 1: on Friday April. The show is I Want to Be
Speaker 1: Your Man. It's at Green Room forty two, and the
Speaker 1: star of the show is Amy Joe Jackson. Hello, we're
Speaker 1: so excited of it. We should just say Henry has
Speaker 1: to leave and so he's he's heading out. We should
Speaker 1: also mention that Amy Joe is, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the pre eminent cabarettists in the city. Yes, um, talk
Speaker 1: about her credits. Okay, she's dialect coached on Kinky Boots
Speaker 1: since the original first Broadway run and I believe the tours, uh,
Speaker 1: the the first national It's now non union, so mama,
Speaker 1: mama can't be working on that in trouble. But I
Speaker 1: also worked on the Toronto production, and I've been with
Speaker 1: the show since the out of town in Chicago into
Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing and then also Rocky Horror Picture Show
Speaker 1: on Fox. And UM, just just so so many a
Speaker 1: litany of credits. She working, she working, and it's oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's our privilege to talk to you, Amy.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. We've heard the performances. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: for everyone to hear them. I'm not kidding. This show
Speaker 1: was it was so good. What you're doing is so special.
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about the show. What
Speaker 1: inspired you to do it? Sure? So, I I had
Speaker 1: done a couple of solo acts before below. H. It's
Speaker 1: something like I've been wanting to do since I got
Speaker 1: to the city and just never got my my act together.
Speaker 1: And then uh, managed to do a solo show that
Speaker 1: was just basically like this is a big party, come on,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I was thinking, like, I really
Speaker 1: want to do another show. And I always have like
Speaker 1: eight playlists going of different show ideas, uh, and I
Speaker 1: just was finding myself more and more infuriated at the
Speaker 1: way women are written for, not written for basically the
Speaker 1: way like anyone who's not assist dude is written for,
Speaker 1: you know, and the the way that I'm talking in
Speaker 1: in all kinds of the arts, but but specifically theaters
Speaker 1: like you know where I live most of the time.
Speaker 1: So the way that a lot of male material can
Speaker 1: be about anything, and the way a lot of female
Speaker 1: material is about a child or uh, love interest, that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, or it's just not that deep. And
Speaker 1: it it's getting better, but it just infuriates me. And
Speaker 1: I don't like feeling impotent rage. I like to feel
Speaker 1: potent rage. So exactly, so I I basically was like, well,
Speaker 1: screw this. You know what I'm I'm also six ft tall.
Speaker 1: I played a lot of male roles, especially like in Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: I think until a show I did just before the
Speaker 1: last time I did the concert seen I would I
Speaker 1: had more male Shakespearean roles on my resume than female. Um.
Speaker 1: And also in Shakespeare, like that's very common to just
Speaker 1: do gender blind casting or fluid casting. But I, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, oh, it's not just that
Speaker 1: I'm tall, and it's it's that stepping into this kind
Speaker 1: of material unlocks something in me, Like it unocks this
Speaker 1: permission to be aggressive and completely assertive in a way
Speaker 1: that is sometimes considered unfeminine or bitchy or bossy. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so there's something incredibly freeing, you know about being
Speaker 1: able to stand on the stage and and like, so
Speaker 1: this is my point of view, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: apologize for it. I'm not gonna like try and make
Speaker 1: it palatable. Um. So it's not it's not like a
Speaker 1: preachy show, I think, you know, but I'm just like
Speaker 1: the what I have selected centers a A fem identifying
Speaker 1: body in a position of power and strength, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know I So I did it in May of
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, a couple of months of fifty four below,
Speaker 1: and I had a great time, and a lot of folks,
Speaker 1: particularly female identifying folks who saw it like really uh,
Speaker 1: warmed to it and got exactly what I was saying. Uh.
Speaker 1: But then, you know, a lot happened in between May
Speaker 1: and now and I just did it. I don't remember
Speaker 1: it reads twitter, um, And so I just had been thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of other shows I want
Speaker 1: to do, and I've been working a lot reach and
Speaker 1: only so I just I didn't do like a solo
Speaker 1: show last year, and it's just like, you know what
Speaker 1: I feel like, rather than crafting something new, I want
Speaker 1: to dive back into that because it feels even more pression,
Speaker 1: totally important, and like I also think that some of
Speaker 1: the people who didn't necessarily get what I was trying
Speaker 1: to do last time, because of the national conversation with
Speaker 1: times up in me too all the stuff, I think
Speaker 1: there's more of an awareness of like, oh, that's that's
Speaker 1: what this is really about. Uh. And so yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really excited it feels right to do it again. I
Speaker 1: would say it's about five the same. We've just changed
Speaker 1: a couple of songs, adding a song or two, and
Speaker 1: some of the guests are different. Um, they're not all confirmed,
Speaker 1: so I can't, so we can't. Well, everyone's stay tuned
Speaker 1: for the guests announcement. So every song in the show
Speaker 1: is traditionally performed by a male character and by a
Speaker 1: male character, or is a written by like a male musician.
Speaker 1: It's performed I like a male rock singer or what happened? So, yes,
Speaker 1: it's all male material. Yes, I remember you did a
Speaker 1: certain Maroon five song. Oh yes, the wire is Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have I have an eleven minute medley called the
Speaker 1: Inevitable Sexist Medley right in the middle of the show,
Speaker 1: and that's primarily like pop and rock. And it's funny
Speaker 1: you mentioned that one because that I also, I don't
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of radio pops, so because I
Speaker 1: had to actually do some deep divores, I was on
Speaker 1: a regional gig and I was like, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna stay and watch a lot of music videos
Speaker 1: and I was just like the rage. It was like
Speaker 1: a whole week. I was just watching these terrible music
Speaker 1: videos of these songs are like, you know, I was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I've put this medley together and now I gotta step
Speaker 1: away for a second. But that was one that like
Speaker 1: I had heard, but I you know, didn't really know,
Speaker 1: and I was watching the music video for that, which
Speaker 1: is it's wild, it's terrifying, you know. But there was
Speaker 1: a baby I'm praying on you tonight, hunch you down,
Speaker 1: eat you a lot, like just like but it's catchy.
Speaker 1: So he's listening. So I am America. Yeah, everybody's listening now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I I Actually there's this guy who
Speaker 1: came and reviewed it, just like a caparet blogger, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, he thought the medley was a bit long,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, well, that's part of the point, Like,
Speaker 1: no one needs an eleven minute medley, but when it
Speaker 1: is called the inevitable sexist medley, part of the point is, yeah,
Speaker 1: you think, and you gotta bludgeon them to be audience
Speaker 1: with a different and Animal Animals was one of the
Speaker 1: ones that he mentioned as a possibility to cut and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, so you've never been followed down
Speaker 1: the street and had to tuck into a Dwayne read
Speaker 1: in the hopes that some creepy dude will stop following you.
Speaker 1: You've never liked pretended to call a friend to say
Speaker 1: you're going to their house so that when you walk
Speaker 1: into your own apartment, they don't think it's yours. Like
Speaker 1: you just never had that as part of your reality, sir,
Speaker 1: So you don't understand that's the tea. That is the tea.
Speaker 1: And with everything that Amy Joe just said, I just
Speaker 1: want to quote Guy Brandon who quoted some English literally
Speaker 1: literary critic in saying that men act and women appear,
Speaker 1: because I think that is the whole sort of unifying
Speaker 1: theory of of what you're trying to do, which is
Speaker 1: so cool. I'm so excited to see it. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: a true and also like, outside of it being like
Speaker 1: incredibly like moving and important, you're also an incredible performers,
Speaker 1: as we should actually here right now now. Tell us
Speaker 1: about this first song that you and Henry are going
Speaker 1: to do. Yes, So I'm very coy with my set lists,
Speaker 1: so I don't the stuff that I'm doing tonight is
Speaker 1: not stuff that's in my show, but it is evocative
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's in my show. So this first one.
Speaker 1: I think many people will recognize it's a show. Show,
Speaker 1: it's a song. I've done a lot and performed around,
Speaker 1: but this is very much of the type of thing
Speaker 1: you might see at an Amy Joe Jackson event. Yes, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: Well let's get into it. How do you do I
Speaker 1: see you've met my faithful handy man. He's just a
Speaker 1: little brought down because when you knocked, he thought you
Speaker 1: were the candy man. You'll get shut up. But the way, LA,
Speaker 1: don't touch a book client's cover. I'm not much of
Speaker 1: a man, but the light of dates that by night,
Speaker 1: I'm one he LoVa. I'm just a sweet transfstight from
Speaker 1: to ram sexual trancelvain. Why don't I show you around?
Speaker 1: Maybe play you a sound You look like you're both
Speaker 1: pretty groovy. If you want something visual, it's not too abyssmal.
Speaker 1: We could take in an old Steve Reeves movie. What
Speaker 1: you got caught with the flat? Well, how about that? Now?
Speaker 1: Babies don't panic by the light of the night, and
Speaker 1: I'll see my right. I'll get you a suctanic mechanic.
Speaker 1: I'm just a sweet transvestide from trance sexual transu the way,
Speaker 1: why don't you stay for the night or maybe a bite.
Speaker 1: I can show you my favorite obsession and then making
Speaker 1: a man the blonde hair and a tan and he's
Speaker 1: good for a leaving night tension. I'm just a sweet
Speaker 1: transrest ride from Terrance sexual trans all right, I'm just
Speaker 1: a sweets missed from sexual Still. Come up to the
Speaker 1: lab and see what's on the slow. I see you
Speaker 1: shiver with a patient. Maybe the rain. It's really to blame,
Speaker 1: so I remove the cause. But not Yeah that was
Speaker 1: that was like, okay, I'm not familiar with Rockey Horror. Ah,
Speaker 1: you know you're not a Rocky Horror, are you not?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I've done it. I've played Magenta. And then
Speaker 1: growing up, like you would go to a friend's house
Speaker 1: for like a nerdy theater party and on the on
Speaker 1: in the background would always be either Rocky Horror, m
Speaker 1: Monty Python and the Holy Grail are Waiting for Government.
Speaker 1: Those were were of theater party. Lastly, I remember the
Speaker 1: first Rocky Horror picture I saw. Was it actually at
Speaker 1: m y U during welcome week. They did this, they
Speaker 1: had to put it on a Rocky Horror for a
Speaker 1: Welcome Week and I'm like very closeted at the time
Speaker 1: and from Long Island, but had like a very sheltered
Speaker 1: like American eagle life. Um So, like the most salacious
Speaker 1: thing I had ever seen was like when someone got
Speaker 1: off got voted off on American Idol, like too early.
Speaker 1: That was like controversy to me. So I go there
Speaker 1: and everyone's of course dressed the part, and I wore
Speaker 1: like my like polo, and I'm like there and I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe the culture scandal it was. I was scandalized
Speaker 1: deeply and I actually can't believe it's gotten to that point,
Speaker 1: like like it's such a cult thing, the whole horror.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Oh yeah, it's really fun to do. So
Speaker 1: I did it in Asbury Park, New Jersey, um on
Speaker 1: in this the Carousel House. So it's like when it
Speaker 1: was like an operating boardwalk back in the day it
Speaker 1: was there was a carousel in there that now is
Speaker 1: no longer in there, so people use it for like
Speaker 1: an event space, and so it's it's oh bit like
Speaker 1: it's it's like closed off but not completely like wind
Speaker 1: proof or anything. So we're doing it in uh October
Speaker 1: because we're doing around Halloween October early November in New
Speaker 1: Jersey on on the beach basically um, and of course
Speaker 1: it's Rocky Horse that everyone's wearing, like it's it's a
Speaker 1: no pants show, let's get it that way, and so
Speaker 1: we we would we It's like they had like blocked
Speaker 1: off half of it, so you're kind of kind of
Speaker 1: the whole space was basically like a semicircle, and then
Speaker 1: the stage was like a semicircle within that. So they
Speaker 1: had these two big bombs, these aisles that you would
Speaker 1: run down. So we would stand there shivering in our
Speaker 1: coats at the back of the vomb, and then the
Speaker 1: music was starting. I was the first one on because
Speaker 1: because Magenta Sink science fiction double feature, and like we
Speaker 1: would just just like throw my coat to the ground
Speaker 1: and run. And there was a guy who he I
Speaker 1: think he was one of the board ops, but he
Speaker 1: would be there to gather all the coats of these
Speaker 1: poor young women like and then like put them back
Speaker 1: at our stations so at intermission we could like put
Speaker 1: them on. But it was really fun. What's really fun
Speaker 1: about the show is you get people who know it
Speaker 1: really well callouts and it feels like you're like you're
Speaker 1: a rock star because they know you're magenta, even though
Speaker 1: they have no idea who you. So you appear there
Speaker 1: like yes, and she's like, I've not earned this at all,
Speaker 1: but it feels so good. Uh, and so it's really
Speaker 1: fun interesting. But I've never I've never actually gone to
Speaker 1: a midnight screening of the movie, but I believe you
Speaker 1: guys are room fans. I have been to many of them.
Speaker 1: That was my first date with my husband my room.
Speaker 1: I had watched all of it in a in a
Speaker 1: dressing room before, like a friend had. He was like,
Speaker 1: you guys have to see because I was in a
Speaker 1: dressing room with the guys. It was a long story,
Speaker 1: but so he was like, you guys have to have
Speaker 1: to watch this movie. So he did highlights and then
Speaker 1: we went there and spent an entire week at half hour.
Speaker 1: We just watched chunks of it. What we could, you know,
Speaker 1: we had to go do a dumb show. You know,
Speaker 1: Normally I love my job, but that was not one
Speaker 1: of those jobs that I love. We were like, can
Speaker 1: we just hang out the dress room. It's safer. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna hear it on stage. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: Rocky Hard, I'm talking about another show al together, but
Speaker 1: yeahing of the room. I have a pitch the room
Speaker 1: the musical. I think it's people. There must be somebody.
Speaker 1: It's got to happen. You're tearing me apartly. So there's
Speaker 1: there's a band if air I heard you are my
Speaker 1: rose into a full number? Like you about that being
Speaker 1: our first dance at our we were nobody would know
Speaker 1: but us, but we would be like we did not
Speaker 1: take the whole wedding thing very seriously. Let's put that right.
Speaker 1: We're like, we would be great. Was that his idea
Speaker 1: to go see the movie? You know? Um? He It's
Speaker 1: funny like we had like so I've met him like
Speaker 1: a couple of years before working on a show, and
Speaker 1: then you know, so I had seen him. We were
Speaker 1: in like the same big circle of friends at the flea.
Speaker 1: So I've worked, I knew him, but we'd never really
Speaker 1: like hung out and hung out. And then um yeah,
Speaker 1: I reconnected with him like after a show that he
Speaker 1: was in that I went, and so we were like
Speaker 1: hanging out the bar and I was like, why have
Speaker 1: I never really thought about this Jeff Rohnan character. And
Speaker 1: we're kind of flirting and like nothing really happened. But
Speaker 1: then he posted something to facebookcause there were a group
Speaker 1: of people that we're going to go see this film,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna message and I got
Speaker 1: there earlier, so I only saved two seats because I
Speaker 1: didn't know there was like this group of Like I
Speaker 1: knew there were other people, but I know how many.
Speaker 1: And so he endedup just sitting with me apart from
Speaker 1: all the friends, and we were like, oh, we had, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a'm a little moment. We're like, oh, so
Speaker 1: we count that. I think from hearing this story, it
Speaker 1: sounds like a date. I have this question in you, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is the most this is this? This is weirdly phrased.
Speaker 1: What's the most excruciating pain that you've had to suffer
Speaker 1: through for in the name of theater, let's say physical
Speaker 1: or otherwise? Well, m mmmmm, there's a few, right um.
Speaker 1: I would probably say my ursula costume, but not in
Speaker 1: one go cumulation, because I was wearing I was wearing
Speaker 1: five and a half inch platform heels, which we're actually
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable, but then I was wearing these huge hit
Speaker 1: paths that that like the order of the costume. It
Speaker 1: took three people to get me in and out of it.
Speaker 1: It was like I was in the you know in France.
Speaker 1: I've likened it to driving a small golf cart. So
Speaker 1: I practiced a lot in it because I am very
Speaker 1: anal retentive and I was like, I don't want the
Speaker 1: costume to wear me. I need to be in charge
Speaker 1: of it. But limited mobility like I. And luckily we
Speaker 1: did a photo shoot the first week, so I had
Speaker 1: been in it. So when we were staging stuff, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I can do that, but
Speaker 1: we can try this. So I don't think walking backwards
Speaker 1: is going to be possible because it was just like
Speaker 1: a lot going on that I couldn't see. And if
Speaker 1: you go down, you get back up, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it had these big hip pads and then this I was.
Speaker 1: I was wearing a corset that stayed on the whole time,
Speaker 1: like the bodice um. You know. It wasn't that it
Speaker 1: was tight, it was that it had all these mirrored
Speaker 1: plastic pieces and rye stones on the front, which looked amazing.
Speaker 1: I looked like a disco ball when the light hit me.
Speaker 1: But it did mean that it would scrape underneath my arms.
Speaker 1: So when I get off stage, I had like either
Speaker 1: a hoodie or like a blanket that they gave me
Speaker 1: that I tucked into it, and they put mole skin
Speaker 1: on it so that it was like not as bad.
Speaker 1: But so I had like scratches all into my arms
Speaker 1: and excuse me, equity, my costume is killing me. Well,
Speaker 1: that's every you got to a certain age, and it's
Speaker 1: every show. Yeah, so I did. So then you put
Speaker 1: the skirt on top of that, and it was pretty tight,
Speaker 1: and then the tentacles were on a belt that would
Speaker 1: go on top of that. I would say when I
Speaker 1: was experiencing menstrual cramps, it was unbearable. It all sat right,
Speaker 1: it all like leaned into that, and so like it
Speaker 1: wasn't so bad because I would not stay in it
Speaker 1: the whole time because I couldn't sit down. Tech was
Speaker 1: bad because I was when we did the Poor Unfortunate
Speaker 1: Soul scene and song. That's two hours plus that I
Speaker 1: was in it in one go. So every time we
Speaker 1: would have a hold, a dresser would come running out
Speaker 1: from the wings with a chair. They would then pull
Speaker 1: my skirt up so I could kneel on it, so
Speaker 1: I could get off the shoes. So it was more
Speaker 1: just that accumulatively because I couldn't bend in it, and
Speaker 1: then I was in this like super like weird posture,
Speaker 1: like my upper glutes got so tight and I couldn't
Speaker 1: really walk that well out of costume because I was
Speaker 1: some mess. But you know, I learned a lot about
Speaker 1: like how much I need to be rolling out and
Speaker 1: that sort of there's got to be a better way costume.
Speaker 1: To say nothing of the hair, even a huge wig.
Speaker 1: It actually was very comfortable, but I couldn't lie down
Speaker 1: or sit back, and you know, you know what I
Speaker 1: would also like part of the thing is I was
Speaker 1: so tired because it took I was doing full drag
Speaker 1: makeup and blocking my brows. It was so dragged. But
Speaker 1: it was also like glue only drives so fast. And
Speaker 1: I'm as someone who hadn't done drag up to that point,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know how to like other than like, okay,
Speaker 1: I use a blow dry and put it on cool
Speaker 1: to try and make them go faster, but like make
Speaker 1: make it because I also had the lace front had
Speaker 1: a widow's peak and it came down super far, and
Speaker 1: so if my brows weren't really dry by the time
Speaker 1: I put the stuff on, then it would get stuck
Speaker 1: in there and it would start to come off. So
Speaker 1: it was just like I had to get there. I
Speaker 1: left myself. I would get there two and a half
Speaker 1: hours before curtain so I could go upstairs into the
Speaker 1: studio and stretch, and then I'd leave myself two hours
Speaker 1: to do everything. It normally only took about an hour
Speaker 1: thirty two forty, but like because I just wasn't that
Speaker 1: if I'd done the show for like a year, it
Speaker 1: would have been a lot faster. But it was a
Speaker 1: regional run, so so I would say probably that whole
Speaker 1: cumulative experience, I was so tired. It was. That sounds
Speaker 1: so much fun because it is the one of it's
Speaker 1: incredible and it's like I am evil Auntie mame, So
Speaker 1: it was it's so perfect and that is a really
Speaker 1: good part for you. And it was and apparently I
Speaker 1: found it from the director, like she told me, like
Speaker 1: we had like a night of drinks, like the first
Speaker 1: weekend that everybody was there. She's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: you booked it on your first on your first line
Speaker 1: when you came in and used a liquid you saying sila.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's our girl. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: could I know he's a liquid young Joe books by
Speaker 1: on elocution alone, and that's if it's the right direction.
Speaker 1: So speaking of you are currently the voice coach on
Speaker 1: dialect Dialect excuse me, Friday, So I need to ask
Speaker 1: about miss Toddrick Big because Hall was in the show
Speaker 1: for a while for like three months, three four months.
Speaker 1: Good to work with. Oh yeah, I just so many
Speaker 1: people that have come in, you know, also when they're
Speaker 1: stunt casting, you know you but like so many people
Speaker 1: that have come in have just like nailed it. And
Speaker 1: watching Tadrick work number one, just like very like warm
Speaker 1: and like eager to do really well, like and his
Speaker 1: his commitment to excellence is really like inspiring well. And
Speaker 1: so normally you'll put people in like I'll work with
Speaker 1: them early on, especially with playing Lola. There's so many
Speaker 1: lines and you know, a lot of people haven't worked
Speaker 1: in an accent, so they're very nervous about it, uh,
Speaker 1: And so I try to get to them early on
Speaker 1: so that I can kind of calm that down. A
Speaker 1: lot of my job is just like traffic directing, you know,
Speaker 1: and then just like here's where you're going correctly and
Speaker 1: here's where we could just take a left turn, you know.
Speaker 1: But then then they get on stage and start walking
Speaker 1: through the block with stage management, with the associates and
Speaker 1: uh and also learning the choreography from the dance captain.
Speaker 1: And he you know, he wasn't writing anything down and
Speaker 1: he would get I would seem like, do one pass
Speaker 1: at it. He'd be like, Okay, let's do it again,
Speaker 1: and he'd do it perfectly. And that is not you know,
Speaker 1: dance is not my language. So I look at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, by no, he's he's pretty Like when
Speaker 1: I first, like when I first really was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this person is so serious. Is in his
Speaker 1: videos where he would do the cover the mashups covers
Speaker 1: of all the pop stars songs and he would just
Speaker 1: there's four of him and he does the choreography perfectly
Speaker 1: in sync with each other, and he's nailing the vocals
Speaker 1: and and also the personality charisma. It's just like he's
Speaker 1: very wonderful to watch on stage, just like fills that
Speaker 1: space and and and he I got to meet RuPaul.
Speaker 1: He was in the show. I knew that Rue was
Speaker 1: coming to his opening and true like so so basically
Speaker 1: if there's like gonna be a photo op with a
Speaker 1: celebrity or something that cast just after curtain call will
Speaker 1: hang out in the wings and then come and do
Speaker 1: like a photo So I'm like the dance Captain and
Speaker 1: I are running backstairs because we know RuPaul it is
Speaker 1: there and uh Ru like like starts talking to the cast.
Speaker 1: Was just so generous, just like I didn't know what
Speaker 1: at all to expect, and you, each and every one
Speaker 1: of you just brought such tremendous energy and what a
Speaker 1: story and he told so beautifully like he talks he
Speaker 1: talks about it on What's the T. I have not
Speaker 1: caught up with with my What's the T, so I'll
Speaker 1: have to I'll have to take a listen. But it
Speaker 1: was just so special. And of course, you know, for
Speaker 1: so many people in that show and work on on
Speaker 1: Kinky Boots, like we're loverable, so it was very exciting.
Speaker 1: So like the dance Captain who wasn't in the show
Speaker 1: that night, Um and I were both like hanging out
Speaker 1: to the like, oh, I don't you know, like should
Speaker 1: we go talk to RuPaul because we're like, clearly who
Speaker 1: are We're clearly belong with the show, but who are
Speaker 1: so eventually like you go out. I haven't been starstruck
Speaker 1: in in like twenty years probably, And I was just
Speaker 1: like grinning, like I got to say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the dialet coach, but it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for such an inspiration, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah like you know, and and
Speaker 1: he was just like so so chill and then just
Speaker 1: like now there was a dialect coach back in in
Speaker 1: Hollywood and the blah blah bahla and ime so and so,
Speaker 1: and I have nothing to contribute, just grinning like I
Speaker 1: can't even say like, oh, yes, you know so and
Speaker 1: so from the like I know names of people who
Speaker 1: are working now. But I was just like struck deep
Speaker 1: to my core. Was just like so it was. It
Speaker 1: was lovely and he was holding court at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah he does do that thing. He does do that
Speaker 1: like um kind of like a person who's been around
Speaker 1: thing of like you know, back in this time, this
Speaker 1: was the person who did this. And I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: at that age we get to be that age will
Speaker 1: of course be so like that. Now. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: I knew Amy Joe Jackson when she was doing a
Speaker 1: show at the Green Room forty two and I Want
Speaker 1: to be Your Man and it was fabulous. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this show. I truly, I mean
Speaker 1: like we're it feels are going to be obsessed. It
Speaker 1: feels like we're shoe running in the promo. But I
Speaker 1: truly am That's my favorite part of the show. I
Speaker 1: think that my favorite part of doing the show. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this on the way here because I
Speaker 1: was excited because we were going to get to do
Speaker 1: this is letting people know where they can see the
Speaker 1: most talented people and also understanding that like this might
Speaker 1: be a lot of people's first introduction to people like yourself.
Speaker 1: Although although I think it was Gabby Hornig. We were
Speaker 1: talking to Gabby. I was talking to Gabby a while back,
Speaker 1: and it was just like the fact that we had
Speaker 1: booked Amy Joe Jackson for our first I don't think
Speaker 1: so many live show. He was like, that was that
Speaker 1: was worth the price of admission alone for someone like him.
Speaker 1: He was like, I see Amy Joe. I have to
Speaker 1: go see Amy jo screen. So rude that you asked
Speaker 1: me to do because like, I'm not really I'm not
Speaker 1: a comedian. I am a comedian, but not you know,
Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about the fact that Aaron Jackson's
Speaker 1: my brother. You know Aaron Jackson on the show two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Um the brother, the little brother, little brother,
Speaker 1: taller but but young, younger of Amy Joe Jackson. I
Speaker 1: would love to hear what Aaron Jackson was like as
Speaker 1: a younger brother and continues to be like to this day.
Speaker 1: I well, we've always been best friends. We're two years apart,
Speaker 1: so we were in the same circles all the time.
Speaker 1: I will say it was a brat until until because
Speaker 1: he and my mom are very very similar in how
Speaker 1: they process information and negotiate conflict, which is to say,
Speaker 1: it got very loud sometimes loud. Did you could you imagine?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? So they they're both really stubborn, and
Speaker 1: they they're also they're not bigger, but with each other.
Speaker 1: They would bicker and like my dad and I are
Speaker 1: like no, thank you. I would be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is this is some shade on me. They would be
Speaker 1: like fighting because Aaron wouldn't want to do something. My
Speaker 1: mom would be trying to, you know, parent with authority,
Speaker 1: and I would be like feeling the stress of that
Speaker 1: and I would go in write room and cry and
Speaker 1: write poems. I am not kidding. I wish I were,
Speaker 1: but I've always been a caricature of myself. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I think I did the poem things I did. I
Speaker 1: drew a lot more visual. That was my outlet. But
Speaker 1: that sounds that all tracks. I don't think all of
Speaker 1: that track. Absolutely, I'm gonna go. Well, by the time
Speaker 1: this comes out of that, this will have happened already.
Speaker 1: But I'm spending a whole weekend with him at your parents.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't wait. I've seen pictures of
Speaker 1: the house. Lovely. Aaron himself has described it as a
Speaker 1: Republican man, so like that. Actually that's very I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. But I mean gorgeous, gorgeous. I got
Speaker 1: I've worked a couple of times at like very recently,
Speaker 1: and then like a number of summers ago, I worked
Speaker 1: um at this little theater in Silverthorn, which is like
Speaker 1: twenty minutes away from Breckinridge, where my parents places. So
Speaker 1: I got to stay there. And I gotta say, when
Speaker 1: you can live very comfortably, it does make usual actor
Speaker 1: housing very unattracted me. But as we talked about the family,
Speaker 1: the upbringing. We should ask the question that we are
Speaker 1: every single guest, And I truly I have such suspense
Speaker 1: an anticipation of Joe's answer to the question, which is
Speaker 1: what is the culture that made you say? Culturists? For me?
Speaker 1: What made you move in a cultural direction? And I
Speaker 1: really I'm so curious to know what this. There was
Speaker 1: a certain smell in the air, and you didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was at the time, but you found out
Speaker 1: later that it was culture after you followed the smell
Speaker 1: to that theater. Theater. That seems actly. That feels right, Yeah, Um, well,
Speaker 1: I will say I have until more recently, I didn't
Speaker 1: really have anything but culture to think or talk about,
Speaker 1: So I never wanted to go in any other direction.
Speaker 1: Like my aunt tells me stories about She's like, you've
Speaker 1: been talking about moving to New York and being in
Speaker 1: the theater since you were four. I'm like, oh, really,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that. Um. But as far as
Speaker 1: like small specific things, because I thought about this, I
Speaker 1: was like, God, it feels like overwhelming because it's like
Speaker 1: that's all I was interested in. So I snowed it
Speaker 1: down to a more generic list and we'll use it
Speaker 1: as a jumping off. I think I'm gonna live in
Speaker 1: Harlem to be close to the subways pop down. I
Speaker 1: think by that time, Yeah, yeah, it'll be great. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: This is This is a very ridiculous and revealing story
Speaker 1: about myself that my grandmother used to love to tell
Speaker 1: when I was like two. She she was just called
Speaker 1: me punkin Monday. She's like, hey, Punkin and I said,
Speaker 1: I am not a pumpkin. I am Amy renee Jackson,
Speaker 1: which spoilers that's the real name. The Joe is a
Speaker 1: nickname I got in college and it was just bouncing
Speaker 1: and it stuck. So love this list. Okay, so the
Speaker 1: the list would probably primarily like most influential would include, uh,
Speaker 1: British television, specifically British comedy Allah, a bit of Friend, Lorie, Blackadder,
Speaker 1: Jeeves and Wooster, and then like British Murder mysteries u um.
Speaker 1: And then we have Broadway because I've never not been
Speaker 1: a nerd uh. So that includes like movie musicals and
Speaker 1: soundtracks to them, as well as original Broadway cast recordings,
Speaker 1: anything I can get my hands on old Hollywood, Like
Speaker 1: I grew up like my dad and I would watch
Speaker 1: like any any Carrie Grant or Catherine Hepburn film love
Speaker 1: all that shared that, Oh well, I mean because we
Speaker 1: grew up in the same house, but aren't even also
Speaker 1: said Agatha Christie, just like well. And then the last
Speaker 1: one being books like I read very thing, and I
Speaker 1: was a big old snob as a kid, so it
Speaker 1: was either going to be like something mysterious maybe with ghosts,
Speaker 1: or it was going to be like literal tour so um.
Speaker 1: And I was like the kid that would like we'd
Speaker 1: be walking from the cafeteria back to the classroom and
Speaker 1: I'd be reading using my periphery to now because I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't fun. I like this book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more interesting than all of you safe, than hallway safe,
Speaker 1: than hallways safe. I could see where I was going.
Speaker 1: I'm so jealous of those people. Henry bothers me when
Speaker 1: he's looking at his phone and not looking around. I
Speaker 1: asked my pet peep of mine, I think everyone should
Speaker 1: be looking up. That's a little differ in a hallway
Speaker 1: when you're walking single file in elementary I forget that
Speaker 1: the kids have to walk in line, yes, not navigating
Speaker 1: a middle school busy hallway. Not that shark infested waters. No,
Speaker 1: but when you're walking in the street in public, that's different.
Speaker 1: You know. It's actually rule of culture number seventeen. These
Speaker 1: kids school walking in two straight lines. It's very gendered.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we did used to do that. Didn't walk
Speaker 1: into lines. Oh there was two lines, a boy line
Speaker 1: and a girl line in my school. Wait, Amy, did
Speaker 1: you spend most of your childhood Do you spend any
Speaker 1: time in Colorado? Was it mostly Texas? Mostly Texas? I
Speaker 1: finished in high school there, I did. We moved when
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, so I did uh, junior and senior
Speaker 1: year in Colorado, and then you know, I would go
Speaker 1: back there, right and like now that my parents had
Speaker 1: this place in break that's where I prefer to go.
Speaker 1: We can infer that you were doing theater all thought
Speaker 1: your childhood. You couldn't You couldn't stop me if I
Speaker 1: wasn't doing it with a group. And then it was
Speaker 1: forced upon my family. It was a solo act in
Speaker 1: the house. Yes, or I would in script Aaron, you know,
Speaker 1: like I have a dress up moment there. You know,
Speaker 1: also like I'm of the age where everyone didn't have
Speaker 1: a video camera, so they my parents borrowed one from France.
Speaker 1: So there is this legendary, legendary video and I am
Speaker 1: I think, I want to say, fifth grade, and Aaron's
Speaker 1: third grade. So Aaron is still adorable, and I am
Speaker 1: just at the age where it's like that's a little
Speaker 1: much kid, you know what I mean. But we're so
Speaker 1: excited and you can watch it and your parents like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: like as we're like just vignette to vignette to vignette,
Speaker 1: but like original pieces, some similar inspired. We did a
Speaker 1: version of Cinderella, and we also did plenty of you know,
Speaker 1: different we'd also did a tour of the house. Um,
Speaker 1: but we did the most the most humilian, anything like
Speaker 1: this is the thing that you put on. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was Aaron jumping on the bed or look at
Speaker 1: this room shocking the Aeron jumping on this bed too,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, but I did Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: thought I could do ventrilo quism. I was wrong, but
Speaker 1: I was committed. And I bit of me singing some
Speaker 1: song I don't remember what with You know those little
Speaker 1: like gift prepackaged gift boxes that when you open them up,
Speaker 1: they make noise. Okay, for whatever reason, I have one
Speaker 1: of those and I'm making that my puppet. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is excruciating. And then they're so long. The videos
Speaker 1: there's so long. I mean, the thing is now it's genius,
Speaker 1: Like are they were too the vignettes they needed to
Speaker 1: be cut, but now it's like, please let this never stop.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I then did was hitch up
Speaker 1: my elastic waste denim pants and do a Jualil White
Speaker 1: and Family Matters impression as was not good, authentic or appropriate.
Speaker 1: Hey you had all three. You had all three distaste
Speaker 1: the distaste you could nies. It was a time. You
Speaker 1: know what, you get a free pass, free pass. So
Speaker 1: Aaron proud of him now or whatever? Yeah? No, I
Speaker 1: I mean, are you kidding? I'm so thrilled for and
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him always, but it's just ridiculous now.
Speaker 1: I ran into a friend on the train today and
Speaker 1: we're just like like, oh, hey, I haven't seen her
Speaker 1: in like two years something. We're trying to She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, big fan of Aaron. I was like, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I'm biased, but right, but both
Speaker 1: of you are just this like I don't know, it
Speaker 1: feels like you don't really get these sort of like
Speaker 1: sibling talent pairings anymore. And you guys just are are
Speaker 1: in your own lanes, but then you also crossed like
Speaker 1: merge lanes sometimes too. It's it's so wonderful. I mean,
Speaker 1: like the first time I ever saw Joe was out
Speaker 1: of Geisha for all people, and I think I blew
Speaker 1: my socks off? Um is that this is that the expression?
Speaker 1: But any of my socks off? I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: correcting you for once in my life to my mind,
Speaker 1: my mind and of course sucked my socks socks off
Speaker 1: that age old adage, that age old adage. I will
Speaker 1: say this about Aaron, like, you know, people and people
Speaker 1: in the comedy community oftentimes they go on to greater success,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes there's that feeling of like, oh
Speaker 1: it happened. It happened for them amongst the community, like
Speaker 1: like when will it happen for me? Like you're happy
Speaker 1: for them, but you're like there's like this like a
Speaker 1: little with Aaron and Josh. I think everyone in the
Speaker 1: community that everybody I know was just like leaping to
Speaker 1: their feet. Absolutely, we're so happy for them, so proud
Speaker 1: of them. That's not just because there are dear friends
Speaker 1: because they are funny, have marked their guts out together
Speaker 1: for years. Like it's such a great example of finding
Speaker 1: like your people and finding your voice and then that
Speaker 1: leading you to greater success. It's tremendous. It's very exciting.
Speaker 1: It's inspiring to me, you know, it really is. I mean,
Speaker 1: and just like to know that, um, especially Aaron. I mean,
Speaker 1: Aaron was a teacher at UCB for quite a long
Speaker 1: time and he just had I think probably thousands of
Speaker 1: like students coming to see him like over the years,
Speaker 1: like and now to see him on television and it's
Speaker 1: just so great. I've recently went to the went to
Speaker 1: the taping of The Opposition to see that piece that
Speaker 1: they did with Kim Davis. That was unreal amazing. So
Speaker 1: the gay who would be Clark, the gay who would
Speaker 1: be Clerk? Again? Riffing on classic films? Yes, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: can we talk about a bit of friing Laura, because
Speaker 1: I feel like I completely missed the boat on that,
Speaker 1: so did I and I would love to hear just so.
Speaker 1: My my parents always loved Blackadder and Jesus and Wooster,
Speaker 1: and then of course through those you find Laurie Stephen Fry.
Speaker 1: So so we had this one, I think we had
Speaker 1: like the VHS was like the best of a bit
Speaker 1: of Frying Laurie. So I watched that a million times,
Speaker 1: but now you can find a ton of it like
Speaker 1: available online. But I just I just love the way
Speaker 1: they worked together and they're just so I don't know,
Speaker 1: they're so funny and they do so you know, they're
Speaker 1: fantastic sketch duo in the fact that like there's not
Speaker 1: always one like playing the alpha and one playing the beta.
Speaker 1: You know, they really like play around with all sorts
Speaker 1: of different ways in which they position themselves towards each other.
Speaker 1: But also just like the runs that they would do,
Speaker 1: there's this one. Really it's it's like unbelievable that it
Speaker 1: is like such a funny sketch because you're like, the
Speaker 1: premise is just like a guy interviewing another guy who
Speaker 1: likes to talk about language, or like, okay, fine, but
Speaker 1: Stephen Fry does this whole thing where the character is
Speaker 1: just so over the top, so listen to me, listen
Speaker 1: to me language, and and just it's it's the commitment
Speaker 1: to like the fullness of the performance that I as
Speaker 1: someone who's never been understated, really responsed we identify with
Speaker 1: you than perhaps that's why I enjoy listening to the pod.
Speaker 1: So I feel, yeah, I feel like that is just I.
Speaker 1: I I'm sort of on the other side of the
Speaker 1: glass with in terms of like just British comedy in general.
Speaker 1: I feel like I just I never fully got my
Speaker 1: chance with it. You really like I mean, and I
Speaker 1: would imagine you know you like Train the Yelman. I
Speaker 1: don't really know you. I like have seen a little bit.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, like if if it if I
Speaker 1: wasn't watching it when I was much younger, then I
Speaker 1: I missed a lot because I stopped watching TV because
Speaker 1: I was like doing theater right like now, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: so behind. I think you would have a deep appreciation
Speaker 1: for Tracy Aellman like because she's truly a genius, truly
Speaker 1: a genius, like I think one of the best impressionist
Speaker 1: character creators just comedians that's out there. And actually, this
Speaker 1: is another really good segue, because she played Jack's mother
Speaker 1: in the film. And I haven't I've heard that you
Speaker 1: are about to grace us with something a little bit
Speaker 1: of a medley right now about what we're about to
Speaker 1: do yes, this is uh, this is the piece I
Speaker 1: got asked to do at this concert at Joe's Pub
Speaker 1: last year called Sanheimer's. It was actually the day before
Speaker 1: I don't think so Honey Live, it was, yeah, right
Speaker 1: right around that time. So, uh, this is a mash
Speaker 1: up that was arranged by the brilliant Stephen Quaevis, who
Speaker 1: was one of the m d s on the Kiki
Speaker 1: Boots tour. Uh, so it is it was if Sandheimis
Speaker 1: is basically the birthday Joe's Pub concert that Maggie Larkin
Speaker 1: and David Levy produced every year, and so this past
Speaker 1: year they did sometimes mixtape and so they had a
Speaker 1: bunch of Sandheime mixed with other shows. So this is
Speaker 1: called Into the Fun Home and I just think it's
Speaker 1: so smart and I loved it. I especially love I
Speaker 1: especially love doing it, which doesn't makes sense when you
Speaker 1: hear it doing it in slightly more conservative community because
Speaker 1: it is just a little of like, oh, so that's
Speaker 1: I think that's all we need to know. Great, let's
Speaker 1: listen to it. M M, what happened last night? Are
Speaker 1: you really here? Joan Joan Joan, Joan, Joan, Hi Joone
Speaker 1: Lilick Up Joan. Oh my god, last night, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god. Last night,
Speaker 1: Mother said straight ahead, not to delay or be misled.
Speaker 1: I should have hated her advice, but she seems so.
Speaker 1: When your way, you're pining your on your oone in
Speaker 1: a world like no, like you've ever known that the
Speaker 1: sky is leading the earth to stone. You're free to
Speaker 1: do whatever pleases you, exploring things you'd never dare because
Speaker 1: you don't care. When suddenly there's a big, tall, terrible Joan.
Speaker 1: It's not at the door, big you, tall, terrible lady John,
Speaker 1: sweeping the floor, and she gives you food, and she
Speaker 1: gives you rest, and she draws it close to her
Speaker 1: giant breast. I got so excited, I was too enthusiastic.
Speaker 1: Thank you for not laughing. Well, you laughed a little
Speaker 1: bit at one point when I was touching you and
Speaker 1: said I might lose consciousness, which you said was adorable.
Speaker 1: And I just have to trust that you don't think
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot or some kind of an animal. I
Speaker 1: never left control due to overwhelming lust. But I must say,
Speaker 1: on changing my major to Joan, I'm changing my major
Speaker 1: to sex with Joan, I'm changing my major to sex
Speaker 1: and with Joan with a minor and kissing Joan for
Speaker 1: in study to Jones's inner thighs, a seminar on Jones'
Speaker 1: ass in her leviyes and jones crazy brown eyes. Joan,
Speaker 1: I feel like hercules. Oh God, that sounds ridiculous. Just
Speaker 1: keep on sleeping for this and I'll work on calming
Speaker 1: down so by the time you've woken up, I'll be cool.
Speaker 1: I'll be collected, and I have found some dignity. But
Speaker 1: who needs dignity because this is so much better and
Speaker 1: radiating happiness. Will you stay here with me for the
Speaker 1: rest of the semester. We won't need any food. We'll
Speaker 1: live on sex alone. Sex with Joan. And she showed
Speaker 1: me things, many beautiful things that I have thought to explore.
Speaker 1: They were off my path, so I never had dared.
Speaker 1: I had been so careful, I never had cared, and
Speaker 1: she made me feel excited, well excited and scared. I
Speaker 1: am writing a thesis on Joan. It's a cutting edge
Speaker 1: field and my mind is blown. I will gladly stay
Speaker 1: up every night too alone my compulsory skills with Joan,
Speaker 1: I will study my way on her spine familiarize myself
Speaker 1: with her well made outline while sheer researches mine. And
Speaker 1: do you think of all the things you've seen? And
Speaker 1: do you wish that you could live in will between
Speaker 1: and her back again, only different after the skares, And
Speaker 1: I know things now, many valuable things that I had
Speaker 1: known before. Do not put your faith in a capa gothood.
Speaker 1: They will not protect you the way that they should.
Speaker 1: And to texture care with strangers. Even flowers have their
Speaker 1: dangerous and the scary is exciting. Nice. It's different than good. Yeah, genius,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, I love that because I feel
Speaker 1: like I never I feel like changing my major, changing
Speaker 1: my major never got it's full like moment. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's so good. Well, I feel like Ring of Keys,
Speaker 1: like walked away with them. Also, that's also because Sidney
Speaker 1: Lucas was just transcended with that song, and because it's
Speaker 1: so like um, the feel of it isn't anthemic, but
Speaker 1: the the subject matter is like iconic and anthemic. But
Speaker 1: changing my major, I think is it's so funny and
Speaker 1: so beautiful and so moving and so like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like I remember like that girl that you know that
Speaker 1: time in your life where it just awaken it awakens,
Speaker 1: it awakens you. You feel like that's all you want
Speaker 1: to do is to like sleep with someone you know,
Speaker 1: like mash your body with someone else's body and just
Speaker 1: sit there and like watch them sleep so you can
Speaker 1: look at their cheek bins, you know, very evocative. So
Speaker 1: um and Into the Woods also part of that. I
Speaker 1: have a question for you, So are you a fan
Speaker 1: of the recent sort of renaissance of the movie musicals
Speaker 1: and do you like have you seen you know, did
Speaker 1: you see that? I would love to hear your opinion
Speaker 1: on the Greatest Showman. I would love to hear, like
Speaker 1: what you think of the sort of adaptations that have
Speaker 1: been happening, and like what your thoughts are on all
Speaker 1: of them. I I'm a fan of anything that employs
Speaker 1: more theater people so and especially employs them in a
Speaker 1: thing that's going to make them a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I like Kiala Suttle, Come on, she performing the oscars,
Speaker 1: Like that's how she did, you know? Like I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing happens, I don't necessarily need
Speaker 1: to take it in like I will, like I went
Speaker 1: and saw into the Woods because that was my favorite
Speaker 1: show like for like all of adolescence, like like talk
Speaker 1: about okay, talk about like a culture moment like Aaron
Speaker 1: and I watched that so many times that like video yes,
Speaker 1: and Joanna Gleeson, who right, so brilliant being in the
Speaker 1: same show as Bernadette Peters as the Witch and you
Speaker 1: win the Tony. Yeah, that's crazy. You know that's at
Speaker 1: that played at the Martin Beck which is now the
Speaker 1: Al Hirschfeld were Kinky Boots is so like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm just going to work. I'm all right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sit here, I'm gonna take notes, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But then sometimes I, oh, my god, I am at
Speaker 1: this theater that I used to I used to watch
Speaker 1: that stage on the daily. Like I go into the
Speaker 1: dressing room and say hey to somebody, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is Berna at Peter's dressing room in seven when she
Speaker 1: has that hair, you know, I when I sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: able to take a step back and go like it's
Speaker 1: it makes that like it makes no sense to the
Speaker 1: adolescent me because it's like I wanted it so badly
Speaker 1: and now there's a part of me that can take
Speaker 1: it for granted. Which is it. Yeah, he's just like
Speaker 1: I'm just doing my thing, not that it's like bad,
Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah, I'm just going to the stage
Speaker 1: door instead of like that's awesome, that's really cool. Like
Speaker 1: and and to never lose that sense of wonder as
Speaker 1: something I work to remind myself is important. You know.
Speaker 1: It's actually rule of number, rule of culture number twelve.
Speaker 1: As one said, never that sense of wonder. I think
Speaker 1: that is such a good exercise and just perspective. Probably
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, you're sucking working at that theater.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And well, hold not one second. Okay,
Speaker 1: well let's talk about the movie musical again. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Can I just say again? Kala Settled performed
Speaker 1: on the Oscars, She got her most, she got a
Speaker 1: camera circling the stage in that quiet part of the
Speaker 1: bridge moment. She was amazing. She was bringing it home well.
Speaker 1: And then even you have someone like Adina Menzel who
Speaker 1: was like a huge Broadway star but like America didn't
Speaker 1: know until until the wickedly talented Adel Dizise moment. God bless,
Speaker 1: I don't you know what I think people don't talk
Speaker 1: enough about that moment. Is the way he says, tell
Speaker 1: that's he is almost more mind blowing than I. Just
Speaker 1: it's just like, what are you doing now? I will
Speaker 1: never forget that for the rest of my life. You
Speaker 1: never gets old. It's always a real scream. But but
Speaker 1: like that's something where it's just like she was already
Speaker 1: like headline and how many brought my shows and super
Speaker 1: famous and she was three cultural phenomenal and then but
Speaker 1: then she like does this thing. People like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: Elsa and it's like she's a different level. You know,
Speaker 1: she's a we say she's the Rihanna of the suburbs.
Speaker 1: She's the minivan Rihanna. That's actually really culture number sixty eight.
Speaker 1: Dina Menzel is Rihanna. She is like I don't care
Speaker 1: for Rihanna. You know who I like Dina Manzell like
Speaker 1: the it's oh, that's good. She probably could have some
Speaker 1: more hits we can aspire to to career success. That
Speaker 1: it didn't please kidding money, I mean, who thought she
Speaker 1: was going to be part of three cultural phenomenons? If
Speaker 1: you don't think it will be four and five and six, honey,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Out when she did you
Speaker 1: see if then yes, I did. It was it was
Speaker 1: not my favorite moment, decidedly not not the favorite moment ever.
Speaker 1: That moment when the curtain rises and she just goes
Speaker 1: it's me. I was like, oh, fuck, you like it.
Speaker 1: She's such a star. Of course you can be like,
Speaker 1: it's me. She's a star. That's the thing is, It's
Speaker 1: like that show was a little tough and her it's
Speaker 1: so funny that her top note was just like that
Speaker 1: was like she didn't go higher than that, Like the
Speaker 1: score was very written like to her current A week
Speaker 1: is brutal, it's crazy, and I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was challenging, you know, when she
Speaker 1: still when I saw she sounded fair, she still she did.
Speaker 1: She sounded fierce and she can also act her ass
Speaker 1: off and people forget that. People forget that Adina Menzel
Speaker 1: is a real musical theater actress. And it wasn't no
Speaker 1: mistake that alphabet became iconic. She certainly did, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just not a mistake. At Dina Menzel,
Speaker 1: I think is someone that people like take for granted
Speaker 1: or make a lot of jokes about exclusively. Um, people
Speaker 1: like you, I mean like I'm part of this community.
Speaker 1: We all make like what you do. I've never made
Speaker 1: a joke at a Dina. You make it your career.
Speaker 1: Bowen Yank goes on stage and it's a Dina Manzel
Speaker 1: cracks from the moment. That's whenever I've seen need to
Speaker 1: stand up. That's been the bulk of humans. Adina Menzel
Speaker 1: crap punched down at punches down at Ada. I gotta
Speaker 1: say I watched Frozen again this weekend after not seeing
Speaker 1: it since the theater. Oh my god, now we're going
Speaker 1: to get shape. No, no, no, because I've been known
Speaker 1: to shoot on Frozen. You have been to do that.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it much more than this second time. In
Speaker 1: Adina is a really good, really good voice acting. She's
Speaker 1: extremely talented. Have you heard or seen anything of Frozen?
Speaker 1: The musical I saw in Colorado? Was there? And how
Speaker 1: was it? It's fun? I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's hard to take a short film and adapt it
Speaker 1: for the big stage, you know, So it definitely was
Speaker 1: the kind of thing where I was feeling like, you know,
Speaker 1: I would enjoy this more if I were younger, you know.
Speaker 1: But everyone's doing great work and it looks beautiful and
Speaker 1: there's some fist singing. Yeah I heard that. Let it
Speaker 1: Go is quite the moment. Yeah, well, I mean it's
Speaker 1: Casey Levey. So I talk about an instrument, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Like I've saw her in hair and in first Daughter
Speaker 1: Suite at the Public and other stuff I'm forgetting, but
Speaker 1: like that is one of those voices that it's just
Speaker 1: like like you could bathe in it. Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I would definitely bathe an Amy Joe's voice, Darling, I've
Speaker 1: taken baths in it. I've taken baths in it, to
Speaker 1: be honest. A moonlight swim, just a moonlight moonlight the vocals.
Speaker 1: We have to talk to Amy Joe about her Disney
Speaker 1: trip because you just went on a Disney trip recently. Yes,
Speaker 1: And also what my favorite thing about it is that
Speaker 1: you felt you felt yourself getting under the weather but
Speaker 1: soldiered through. Oh honey, I came home and three days
Speaker 1: later got other flu I am only now like recently
Speaker 1: over it. But you know, it's you know what it's
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm not going to go back
Speaker 1: to the hotel. We're going to Epcot. You know, no,
Speaker 1: you have that's actually a rule of culture. Number nineteen,
Speaker 1: you're going, don't go to the hotel. Okay, Well, we're
Speaker 1: so sorry to hear that you weren't feeling well. Well,
Speaker 1: it's all behind me now, thank god. All run til
Speaker 1: highlights of the trip. Well, we were talking a bit beforehand. Um,
Speaker 1: so we went. It was my first time going when
Speaker 1: Pandora was open, and I have a friend who was
Speaker 1: actually one of my dressers on Mermaid, one of the
Speaker 1: three people that it took to get me in and
Speaker 1: out of the costume. And she shortly after Mermaid relocated
Speaker 1: down to uh Disney, she she was working there, and
Speaker 1: so then I saw her briefly the last time I
Speaker 1: was there, and I was like, Hey, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be around. Are you still working this? She's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I work at Pandora now and we've only
Speaker 1: been able to get a fast past Ford the River.
Speaker 1: I remember going messaging you like it's just like Flight
Speaker 1: of the Avatar situation. Is this gonna be worth waiting
Speaker 1: for six hours? You're like, well yes and no and Bud,
Speaker 1: but no, no, no. But it was useful because we're
Speaker 1: also like I was there with my parents and a
Speaker 1: friend and none of us are like super hardcore Parkers,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We were like, I must
Speaker 1: complete this or I will fee. We were like, great,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna have to wait three hours, we are
Speaker 1: not doing it, you know. We there are things we
Speaker 1: would rather do with our time. So I messaged her
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, let me know when it
Speaker 1: gets closer, because I work a couple of those rides,
Speaker 1: so maybe I can work something kind of depending on
Speaker 1: how things work out. So I'm like messaging her on
Speaker 1: Instagram and like the number I have to text her
Speaker 1: as like an old number, so I can't get there.
Speaker 1: We go on the river ride, which I thought was beautiful,
Speaker 1: like all that was like I love a like let
Speaker 1: me just sit down and look at ship. Okay, so
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, but it's also like it's boring, but it's you.
Speaker 1: It's not serene, but the animatronic at the end is pretty.
Speaker 1: It's really cool, like and it's just I just sitting
Speaker 1: there like I'm just enjoying looking at like they had
Speaker 1: those leaves where and then you're seeing like the frogs
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, which you know, no,
Speaker 1: one's just a screen, but I'm like, it looks so cool. Like,
Speaker 1: I loved that. So we're like leaving that and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen my friend Mamie. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess you know she she's working, so she probably
Speaker 1: can't get back to me. So we're like we're literally
Speaker 1: walking out of the ride, like trying to get out,
Speaker 1: and she comes walking sway, so you know, it was
Speaker 1: great to see her because she's adorable and I love her.
Speaker 1: And then she was like, oh, you guys just wrote this.
Speaker 1: Let's get you over to the right up to the
Speaker 1: fast best line. Can you work some magic for these
Speaker 1: folks here today? And the like, sure can't. So we
Speaker 1: went straight to fast like a giddy So it's great.
Speaker 1: And then it was so fun, it was incredible. It's
Speaker 1: just stunned saved it so so it turned out to
Speaker 1: be like one of those, like a truly magical Disney moment.
Speaker 1: It was great. And then we went so, you know,
Speaker 1: we did a bunch of that stuff and we went
Speaker 1: to Universal and so I hadn't been to Harry Potter
Speaker 1: World before, and again me liking a serene ride. My
Speaker 1: favorite part was the Hogwarts Express going back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's great. I just like to ride trains anyway. But
Speaker 1: it's so cute and it's all well done and like
Speaker 1: I just thought it was. The attention to detail was incredible.
Speaker 1: That's really what fuels me. I'm like, I like this
Speaker 1: attention to I just want to go in the shops
Speaker 1: to look and see what they have up on the
Speaker 1: second level. We'll surely, I mean. The best part of
Speaker 1: of Diagon Alley and of hogs Mean is it is
Speaker 1: just so transportive. It's you walk in and it's literally
Speaker 1: it's literally the shot from the film. Yeah, that's what's
Speaker 1: so crazy is that they were able to accomplish that,
Speaker 1: like whatever, it is like a trick of the eye,
Speaker 1: especially when you round the corner and you see hot
Speaker 1: warts of the first time. It is the iconic pick. Sure,
Speaker 1: but it's real and they make it look so much
Speaker 1: bigger than it is with that kind of like lands
Speaker 1: that a few years ago we went. I was with
Speaker 1: my family and and Aaron and Jeff uh in London
Speaker 1: and we went to the studio tour, which we were
Speaker 1: all kind of like, whatever, this will be fine, and
Speaker 1: I had forgotten, like no movie magic is awesome, and
Speaker 1: they saved so much stuff because they didn't know what
Speaker 1: they'd be using from film to film because the books
Speaker 1: weren't done, and they have just so much of the
Speaker 1: practical stuff there. So you go and there's the costumes
Speaker 1: everywhere and that basically they do like a little like
Speaker 1: intro video, and then you go into the Great Hall
Speaker 1: and you're there for like ten minutes, and then you
Speaker 1: have as long as you want to walk through the
Speaker 1: rest of the exhibit, so you can't be there for hours.
Speaker 1: They have like a little audio guide, and then at
Speaker 1: the end, the last big thing is the model of Hogwarts,
Speaker 1: which I was like, oh, this will be cool. Like
Speaker 1: Jeff walked out ahead of me. I was like looking
Speaker 1: at some sketches and comes and he's like, you gotta
Speaker 1: come in your okay, And I walked. I did crying.
Speaker 1: Like it's just talk about attention to detail because it's
Speaker 1: so small and that's the kind of stuff that you
Speaker 1: like see on a DVD special features. I think like
Speaker 1: we were obsessed with Lord of the Rings in high
Speaker 1: school and college. I guess I was in college Arrows
Speaker 1: in high school, but like we like, here's a culture moment.
Speaker 1: Aaron and I together saw a Lord of the Rings
Speaker 1: in theaters, uh Fellowship of the Rings eight times. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, what is that? Over almost thirty hours? About
Speaker 1: four hours, but like we saw it like over Christmas
Speaker 1: break and then we also went over the spring because
Speaker 1: I was still in theaters. But we were just like
Speaker 1: our whole group of friends was like so nerdy. We're like, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta go back. I gotta see those horses, and
Speaker 1: I gotta say those a lot of horses, you know.
Speaker 1: And then you know, we saw the others a few
Speaker 1: times in theaters too, but not eight I will say,
Speaker 1: but the others, I'm sorry the hours in theaters, but
Speaker 1: not eight time. No, Tony Collett's presence, not withstand. I
Speaker 1: love that Tony coll love. You know. That puts you
Speaker 1: in the company of John Early. John really has great tastes.
Speaker 1: He does have taste. Um okay, I do love a
Speaker 1: good Tony Collette too, though she doesn't have you. So
Speaker 1: in high school, like I was obsessed with the Locus
Speaker 1: a Wild Party. I got into it. She was clean,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, because I also
Speaker 1: loved Alan Coming, like I love that Emma with Gwyneth
Speaker 1: Paltrow and all of them. Like I watched that came
Speaker 1: out right at the appropriate time for me to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: Jane Austen, that sounds about rock. You know. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing it in theaters and being like this is highly
Speaker 1: enjoyable and who's this girl? And then like anything that
Speaker 1: she was in, I was like, I'm on board. And
Speaker 1: so then listening to that, I was so into it.
Speaker 1: And still it's like that fits my voice so well,
Speaker 1: and I love Locusa. Like all of Locusa, I just
Speaker 1: want to sing all the time, which is hard because
Speaker 1: it's not an easy composed to bring into an audition room.
Speaker 1: So I have to do it just for my own pleasures.
Speaker 1: Is Emma, what what clueless is based on? Okay? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it really does open a lot of doors to culture.
Speaker 1: I would say I think Clueless predates the Gwyneth Paltrow. Emma,
Speaker 1: that's probably you know. Jane Austen was out of fashion
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah, now of course she Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't turn around without Austin was just like, I
Speaker 1: might be dead, but I'm alive. Through my work matches,
Speaker 1: she became huge And what do you mean, Jane Jane Austen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like like what like what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: what if for some reason, Jane Jane Austen became like
Speaker 1: as big as if they make like posthumously Jane Austen
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like set the world on from
Speaker 1: my circles, Jane Austen's much bigger than Selena. You're just
Speaker 1: You're just hanging out with different folks. That's actually a
Speaker 1: role of culture number A hundred and one in our
Speaker 1: Jane Austen is much If they make the right movie,
Speaker 1: if they make the right adaptation, then like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: I want to see a modern is there a modern
Speaker 1: day Pride and predge? Can I gag for a second? Please?
Speaker 1: I just saw The Cruel Intentions musical because our friend
Speaker 1: Amanda Schekman is the swing for it and we saw
Speaker 1: her go on is uh Sarah Michelle Geller's part. It
Speaker 1: was really fun. I haven't even seen the movie Movie
Speaker 1: is Naughty. In the nineties, I was seeing some things,
Speaker 1: but mostly I was just watching West Side Stories, so
Speaker 1: I missed a lot. Good for your stuff, Well, this
Speaker 1: is like a nineties jukee back musical, like they throw it.
Speaker 1: It's like very one of those, like they have like
Speaker 1: all the hits from the nineties, like the first song
Speaker 1: that Amanda's things Issa on they want to Walk Across
Speaker 1: the five. I don't even know what that is age
Speaker 1: I've heard of her. This would be a good cultural
Speaker 1: moment for you to pick up on Melissa's you know
Speaker 1: what the amount of I listened very deeply to what
Speaker 1: I listened to, but I don't listen widely, So there's
Speaker 1: just a lot. But that's better because I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: little I cast two by even Nat and then like
Speaker 1: nothing stick. I just get so overwhelmed, you know when
Speaker 1: I think of what I don't that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I get off book on a very small number of
Speaker 1: things like I can do sometimes for you, which is
Speaker 1: many lyrics, which is many lyrics. But I'm like, I
Speaker 1: know a couple of Mariah Carrie songs, sure, and she's great,
Speaker 1: but I just don't know you connect to? What you
Speaker 1: connect to? Is Sunhime number one for you? Um? Probably
Speaker 1: most formative, I would say, I mean as far as
Speaker 1: the composer that has my most number of favorite musicals,
Speaker 1: probably because like there's Into the Woods, Sweeney Todd. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I just think it's perfect. I love a little night music.
Speaker 1: I can do that from this moment right now till
Speaker 1: the moment I literally die on stage mid show, because
Speaker 1: there's like to me from now until until. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I could die on que I think that would be
Speaker 1: like I would have achieved some kind of zen state.
Speaker 1: Like that would be. All I could wish for is
Speaker 1: to like let the playing card gracefully fall off my
Speaker 1: hand and be like I'm out. You know how black?
Speaker 1: It was perfect? I did it. Then they just wheeled
Speaker 1: me off stage and I wouldn't come off for curtain
Speaker 1: call and be like, oh, I hope she's okay. No,
Speaker 1: you saw die on stage? Did you see that little
Speaker 1: Night Music with um ms Zeta John? I did, and
Speaker 1: with stretched absolutely did you enjoy? I did? I mean
Speaker 1: like I thought it was very lush. And Aaron Lazar,
Speaker 1: if we want to talk about vocals for today's I
Speaker 1: ANSO think he's incredible performance. So he played Carl Magnus,
Speaker 1: who's one who sings some praise of women. So I
Speaker 1: saw it with Aaron and my parents and like he
Speaker 1: goes up and the woman's and we just turned each
Speaker 1: other and like roll our eyes were like this guy
Speaker 1: seen the way that like I want to listen to
Speaker 1: it all the time. We also saw him because I
Speaker 1: saw Light in the Piazza a few times. I saw
Speaker 1: Matthew Morrison a couple of times, and then Aeron Lazar
Speaker 1: took over, and I'm like, I'm really interested to see
Speaker 1: how someone does after Matthew Morrison because I thought Matthew
Speaker 1: Morrison was very charming and tender and beautiful. And then
Speaker 1: Aaron Lazar comes in because he also has a much
Speaker 1: more like operatic sound than Matthew Morrison. I was like,
Speaker 1: who are you? I think he's splendid. He is great.
Speaker 1: I saw him in the Last Ship. He's one of
Speaker 1: those people that I'd be like, olmos see a show
Speaker 1: because of that him. As far as like male vocalists,
Speaker 1: there's him, and then um Paul Nolan who was was
Speaker 1: in Bright Star. He was a little Bright Star with
Speaker 1: Tom Cusin. And there's do you guys know Karmen Kiau
Speaker 1: back in the day when I used to go to
Speaker 1: the wormhole of defying gravity performances stand He has done Alphaba,
Speaker 1: she has I think done Christine in Phantom. I can't
Speaker 1: even remember, but it's just stuff. You're like different all that,
Speaker 1: but she can and effortlessly. And then just the two
Speaker 1: of my brightest because they're also such incredible actors. I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, hollwey, because I I love going
Speaker 1: to musicals, but I do feel often this singing is
Speaker 1: is more prioritized than the acting to unbelievable vocalists, like
Speaker 1: people who are like I, I can't believe your technique
Speaker 1: in the way it marries with your your intention and
Speaker 1: and the style, but who are also such deep, precise,
Speaker 1: incredible actors. I was just like, I couldn't believe what
Speaker 1: I was saying. But I also saw Paul Nolan in
Speaker 1: once when I went to go see it. Who's playing
Speaker 1: the guy and just like his his his instrument is
Speaker 1: unbelievable if you can if you ever get a chance
Speaker 1: to see him perform. I don't know the guy. I
Speaker 1: think he's great. Stay with here, Lazar. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: will talk all day about people I think are talented.
Speaker 1: You know, I was so excited when I was going
Speaker 1: to see Wicked because I was going to see um
Speaker 1: Annalie Ashford who did go on Who's True Jams Glinda,
Speaker 1: and I was gonna see Stephanie j Block and Stephanie
Speaker 1: j used her understoody. Sorry, it's you know that show
Speaker 1: that's not she marked defying gravity With Wicked, there's like
Speaker 1: the standbyes go on a lot because he's one of
Speaker 1: those shows that you probably shouldn't be singing eight shows
Speaker 1: a week, it's a lot. It's just it's very vocally rigorous.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those Well I did my first
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey on Wicked, so like it's
Speaker 1: not one of those shows I feel called to do um,
Speaker 1: but it is one of those that I've I've thought, like, man,
Speaker 1: that would be a great technical exercise and like, can
Speaker 1: I get my voice in shape to do that? Ship?
Speaker 1: You know? It's one of them, Like I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: I could, but I'd rather do it for another show
Speaker 1: because there are people who that is their story they
Speaker 1: long to tell, and I say, good bless go do
Speaker 1: it you. Although you would say it's both alphabet and
Speaker 1: is not Immorrible or even Glenda, I would like to say,
Speaker 1: I would want to do Madam Morrible. I would want
Speaker 1: to do Monda came Glenda god Um. Wicked came out
Speaker 1: midway through my college experience, and so I didn't belt
Speaker 1: at that point in my life, like I just didn't
Speaker 1: know how I was like this legit soprano who was like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I have an alto as well, and that I
Speaker 1: just didn't know how to bring that up, but UM
Speaker 1: like to bring it up through the chest. I'm talking
Speaker 1: to terms. Um. But I just remember a friend of
Speaker 1: mine being like, there's this new show called Wicked. There's
Speaker 1: a great part for you. Let me play you. And
Speaker 1: he starts playing my dear, my dear, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I know you're not trying to be mean, but you
Speaker 1: like all I do is play old women already. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what I think, Madame Morrible as a
Speaker 1: role has aged very well totally. We have lighted. I
Speaker 1: think the part where she's like, um, as pressed secretary, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want you should do that. You should email them people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Of that she's up in the Harshfeld. That's it. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. And I think I think, um, we've now arrived,
Speaker 1: not at our finale song, but at the kudagra are
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock number. If you will, I will of this episode,
Speaker 1: of which is I don't think so, honey, won't explain
Speaker 1: to the to the kids listening at home who may
Speaker 1: not know what I don't think so, honey, it's woll
Speaker 1: about I don't think, so, honey. Is UM a one
Speaker 1: minute unit of time in which you deliver an oral
Speaker 1: missive against something that you um that is just getting
Speaker 1: your goat? So we all know, we all know the drill,
Speaker 1: we all know the Jolley have one minute, alright, So
Speaker 1: I think I will go first, which has kind of
Speaker 1: become canto. No. No, I think. I think if you
Speaker 1: go back and crunch the numbers, it's it's a pretty
Speaker 1: balanced frequency. But all right, this is Matt Rodgers as
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, and his time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Credit card minimums? Can I
Speaker 1: tell you something? Don't be talking all of the z
Speaker 1: ZiT guist about bitcoin. We haven't like even figured out
Speaker 1: our money situation. Now, okay, listen, I want no credit
Speaker 1: card minimum is no one carries cash, there's none of it.
Speaker 1: I have my credit card and my debit card, and
Speaker 1: I need to be able to use it. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me that a credit card minimum is eight dollars,
Speaker 1: and I come to you with five dollars of stuff
Speaker 1: and you say, no, go get something, just no, I'm
Speaker 1: not passionately shopping at your store anymore. You think I'm
Speaker 1: buying this extra kombucha, and now I have to and
Speaker 1: there's no joy there. You haven't given me a joyous experience.
Speaker 1: And that is part of your job as a shop keep.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. These shop keeps who aren't
Speaker 1: putting um time into creating a good atmosphere by reinforcing
Speaker 1: or enforcing the rule that is a credit card minimum. Honey.
Speaker 1: I don't carry cash. I don't think it's a good
Speaker 1: idea to carry cash in the streets. I have money,
Speaker 1: let me use it. I don't think so, honey. Credit
Speaker 1: card minimum one. Wow, I passionately agree with you. There
Speaker 1: should not be credit card minimums. And guess what, it's
Speaker 1: not like the machine won't work because it's about they
Speaker 1: change the law. What on? Like the percentage? Look at
Speaker 1: me talking about stuff I don't barely know about. Used
Speaker 1: to it was used to it was the same percentage,
Speaker 1: I think, no matter what you bought. So they took
Speaker 1: certain percentages of like you're buying a dollar worth of
Speaker 1: something and they're taking like, you know, however many cents,
Speaker 1: but but it's all all at the same percentage. And
Speaker 1: so that was more just like an irritating thing because
Speaker 1: people just didn't want to run the credit card. Now,
Speaker 1: at least in New York City, I don't know how
Speaker 1: it works. Else work, but now they charge you more
Speaker 1: if it's under a certain amount. So certain places like Starbucks,
Speaker 1: where they're doing a lot of business under a certain
Speaker 1: amount doesn't matter because the volume will cancel it out.
Speaker 1: But like a bodega isn't necessarily gonna so it. I
Speaker 1: don't know when that changed. It was in the last
Speaker 1: few years or so, and I could be wrong, but
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that that's well I only vaguely understand,
Speaker 1: and I still don't know. It's still irritated, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if I have cash, it's like a miracle venmous bodega,
Speaker 1: that would be great. And then you go and they say, well,
Speaker 1: the A t M is over there, and you go
Speaker 1: over there, and it's like a three dollar charge. And
Speaker 1: I had definitely I mean, this doesn't happen anymore with
Speaker 1: the chip, but I've definitely had with like a bodega,
Speaker 1: A t M had one of those they can like
Speaker 1: put I found it from my bank after my credit
Speaker 1: card number got stolen. They have like someone can put
Speaker 1: in a little like insert into the machine. So you
Speaker 1: run it and it takes an imprint of it. Because
Speaker 1: I was like, how did they get my number? I
Speaker 1: didn't lose my card and the bankers like, well did
Speaker 1: you ever use Like like yes, They're like okay, well
Speaker 1: what the scam is and like walk me through, like
Speaker 1: how someone can get your number? I don't understand how
Speaker 1: it works, but that's the gig. Well, I'm happy that
Speaker 1: everyone knows that. And I will say one thing before
Speaker 1: we move on, which is in relation to that. If
Speaker 1: you ever get a call from a number that you
Speaker 1: don't recognize and they ask you, is this so and so,
Speaker 1: never say yes. Always say who's calling? Or this is
Speaker 1: he or she or whatever um because they can record
Speaker 1: you saying yes and use that to confirm purchases. This
Speaker 1: is just why I don't ever answer the phone. There
Speaker 1: you go, don't ever answer text me, email me. You
Speaker 1: hear that? Also, I would pay I would. I would
Speaker 1: green light a series of Amy Joe Jackson just with
Speaker 1: her elocution, just explain anything, green light, I'll thank you.
Speaker 1: One is big in the studio system. I've heard that.
Speaker 1: I've heard that yes so, And speaking of Bowen, now
Speaker 1: is is I don't think so Honey and Bowen, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, Honey. On this the Amy Joe Jackson
Speaker 1: episode of Last Cultures, which will will be entitled She's
Speaker 1: up in the Hirshfeld, his time begins now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, Hony. Airbnbs Upstate, bitch. I was trying to
Speaker 1: find a decent, well priced Airbnb for my spur of
Speaker 1: the moment trip to upstate New York, specifically Woodstock, New
Speaker 1: York slash Stanfordshire, I believe. But anyway we ended up
Speaker 1: staying at this decrepit it might as well have been condemned, Honey.
Speaker 1: This terrible cottage was filled with you know, horrible little
Speaker 1: garage sailed chokes. The bed was functional, Honey. And I
Speaker 1: have to say, burn every wooden structure upstate and rebuild
Speaker 1: with iron. Honey, built glass buildings or iron buildings. I
Speaker 1: can't stay in these wooden buildings. They rotten. They they're horrible,
Speaker 1: and I I don't think so, Honey. Going up state
Speaker 1: having a great time and then going to some dusty, disgusting,
Speaker 1: dank little room to sleep and to ruin the whole experience.
Speaker 1: That really just ruined the whole upstate experience. I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: that that happens. That's the kind of wooden building to
Speaker 1: be folksy, not like I needed a folks see. You
Speaker 1: know what bespoke Is that the right word? But I
Speaker 1: just wanted a nice little you wanted to rustic experience.
Speaker 1: Rustic is the word he was looking for, not to spoke.
Speaker 1: This is the second time and Historical and Historic Occasion
Speaker 1: have corrected Bowen on his grammatical and saying I would
Speaker 1: remind the audience. I would remind the audience that Matt
Speaker 1: tried has said the word what was it instead of
Speaker 1: instead of superstitious? That's fine. I think that's fine. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So this is Amy Joe Jackson's I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And then after Amy Joe Jacksons, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, we are going to debut a
Speaker 1: new segment before the final number. Uh, Amy Joe Jackson,
Speaker 1: you're I don't think so honey. Time begins now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Pe who find out how old
Speaker 1: I am and then tell me they're shocked because I
Speaker 1: look so much younger than that, and are thinking I
Speaker 1: should take it as some kind of compliment. I don't
Speaker 1: think I wanted for a couple of reasons. One, you've
Speaker 1: reminded me of a very painful professional reality, which is
Speaker 1: I don't look old enough for the parts I should
Speaker 1: be playing just rub salted alone. But more importantly, I
Speaker 1: don't think, so, honey, this fetishization of youth, this idea
Speaker 1: that we're supposed to be flattered, to be told we
Speaker 1: look like infants. I don't think so honey. Yes, do
Speaker 1: I take care of my scarnest horse. I don't want
Speaker 1: skin cancer slash. I would love to look like Helen
Speaker 1: Mirrow when I am her age, but that is to
Speaker 1: say I just want to look stunning. I don't want
Speaker 1: to look twenty too. I have experience, I have skill,
Speaker 1: I have wisdom. I have more self confidence and more
Speaker 1: assuredness because I am a woman who is thirty four
Speaker 1: will be thirty five in June. It was a mess
Speaker 1: of twenty six. She wants to be twenty six. It
Speaker 1: was fine, it's better now. That should be the biggest
Speaker 1: compliment I could receive. I don't think, so honey. That
Speaker 1: is one minute, my goodness, stunning and totally on time.
Speaker 1: That is, I don't know. That's a stunner of it.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was amazing and you know what,
Speaker 1: it was literally exactly one minute long, not a not
Speaker 1: a verb over. Here's okay, Amy, would you accept this
Speaker 1: as a compliment your skin when I walked in the
Speaker 1: room radio, what you can say instead of something like
Speaker 1: your skin looks amazing where you have such great skin
Speaker 1: and I do have? Yeah, Well, even I mean, there's like,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You don't know what is going on
Speaker 1: with a particular person. So even like we we say
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's like, oh my god, you
Speaker 1: like have you lost weight? You look great? But like,
Speaker 1: for instance, I have a very dear friend who went
Speaker 1: through a terrible illness in the last couple of years
Speaker 1: and she's much better now, but she was like it
Speaker 1: was scary, really scary, and for a while there, like
Speaker 1: she was in and out of the hospital but was
Speaker 1: trying to keep it on the download so that like
Speaker 1: it wouldn't affect work, so a lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: know about it. She got very thin, it was already
Speaker 1: like a thin person to begin with, and apparently people
Speaker 1: were coming up to her and being just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you look amazing with your secret She's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, almost death, but she can't say that
Speaker 1: you know, so it's just like you just don't know.
Speaker 1: But there are ways to say the spirit of what
Speaker 1: you're trying to say without well. And also like I
Speaker 1: think we're all taught to take like you look young
Speaker 1: as a compliment. You know what I hate too is
Speaker 1: when I get carded. When I can tell that they
Speaker 1: are trying to flirt with me or flatter me. It's
Speaker 1: different when like, say you're in Boston or like a universe.
Speaker 1: I was just working in Syracuse. That's a university town.
Speaker 1: The card everybody. That makes sense. You have to be
Speaker 1: super strict because there's a lot of people trying to
Speaker 1: get in places they shouldn't be. I have a problem
Speaker 1: with that. I have a problem with when it's someone
Speaker 1: who's clearly trying to like flatter me, Like that doesn't
Speaker 1: flatter me because I do not look like I'm twenty.
Speaker 1: I don't want to look like that. I have a
Speaker 1: round face when I buzz my hair. It makes more
Speaker 1: sense because that's more of an extreme choice. Somebody it's bigger.
Speaker 1: But even then I was like, I don't, actually, you don't.
Speaker 1: Actually I think I'm twenty, But you think that that's
Speaker 1: going to flatter me because as we're all socially told
Speaker 1: we're supposed to look like we're in our mid twenties
Speaker 1: at most and we have no value as we get older.
Speaker 1: I just think that's such bullshit. It pisces me, it
Speaker 1: makes me. I right in those moments, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is this is a stranger. I don't need to give
Speaker 1: them this much. I don't engage with them. But it's hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough, but yeah, and quote Amy Joe Jackson, who
Speaker 1: who needs to be twenty six? Who wants to And
Speaker 1: we're twenty I'm twenty eight now and yeah, we're just
Speaker 1: right now and it's really hard. Um, So we are
Speaker 1: about to save you a new segment and you're the first.
Speaker 1: So this is called and tell me if you like
Speaker 1: this name voice Mamo, you bitch O. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: some fan favorites, some uh, people we've had on the show.
Speaker 1: Some people send in some voice memos, um and uh
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear what they have to say and we're
Speaker 1: all going to discuss their thoughts and opinions. Our voice
Speaker 1: memo You Bitch is today from Joel Kim Booster, friend
Speaker 1: of the show Culture War judge iconic young man. UM,
Speaker 1: it's clocking in at five minutes, so we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Let's let's hear. I have not heard this yet. One second.
Speaker 1: Hello those Cultures its booster. Some of you might remember
Speaker 1: me as the very first return guests that Lost Cultures
Speaker 1: has has ever seen. That's right, Um, it was me.
Speaker 1: It was not that Reagan, despite what he might say
Speaker 1: that if it didn't air, it didn't happen. That's like
Speaker 1: one of the first rules of podcasting that they wrote down,
Speaker 1: coming hard for the villain. I started podcasting the first podcast. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I'm here UM once again, the first as the very
Speaker 1: first voice memo correspondent. I'm huge to talk about my
Speaker 1: favorite show, RuPaul's Drag Race. Some of you also might
Speaker 1: know this about me, but I did once recap RuPaul's
Speaker 1: Drag Race for Vulture New York Magazines online entertainment blog UM,
Speaker 1: and I went back to do that again this past
Speaker 1: year for all starts three. And they said that someone
Speaker 1: had um taken the job from me, that two younger,
Speaker 1: umless funny people had approached them and funny at me
Speaker 1: and stolen the job right out from under me. And
Speaker 1: I was very dismayed to find out what those people
Speaker 1: were actually my two close friends Matt Rogers and Bow
Speaker 1: and Yang Um. So it was um the least that
Speaker 1: they could do to let me record this message to
Speaker 1: talk about some thoughts I had about the show. So
Speaker 1: let's get into it. I just want to talk about
Speaker 1: um my top four and those people are Monet Exchange
Speaker 1: from New York. I love Money. I think she's so
Speaker 1: funny and so um beautiful on the show. I think
Speaker 1: she's so talented. I was not excited about Money going
Speaker 1: into the seasons. I don't know why. I think it
Speaker 1: was partially because I think five New York queens is
Speaker 1: just so many, Like New York and drag race is
Speaker 1: sort of like Russia and figure skating and that like
Speaker 1: they should only allow to compete in the Olympics, you know,
Speaker 1: like the like they only allowed to Russian girls because
Speaker 1: there are like seven Russian girls that are the best
Speaker 1: in the world, that are so much better than anybody else,
Speaker 1: any other country you could send. And it's just like
Speaker 1: it's a boring watch. And that's sort of how I
Speaker 1: feel about them, Like give us more queens from like Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: Ohio or what I've been year. Claire the first Indiana
Speaker 1: queen we've seen, Like, give us more flyover queens. That's
Speaker 1: what I want to see seasons because they're kind of
Speaker 1: bad and sometimes that makes for a good TV. UM.
Speaker 1: I did not love her sponge stressed look, but I
Speaker 1: still think she should be in the top three four.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: That's a contradiction, but guess what, Like, I am allowed
Speaker 1: to contradict myself, and honestly, I am allowed to take
Speaker 1: anything I say back um from these voice memos because
Speaker 1: I am a gay person living in Johns, America, and
Speaker 1: that is a right that is still afforded to me.
Speaker 1: It has not been taken away from me yet, So
Speaker 1: I reserve the right to just reverse myself several times
Speaker 1: within the span of this voice memo. My number two
Speaker 1: pick is MS Cracker, also from New York. I think
Speaker 1: she had is so funny and beautiful and it has
Speaker 1: an incredible pedigree to do well on the show. She's
Speaker 1: Bob's drag daughter, UM, and I love that she's giving
Speaker 1: us like shades of Sasha Valure, that headiness, that creativeness.
Speaker 1: But she's fun to watch. Thinks gave us one of
Speaker 1: the top ten gags of the show's history. But she
Speaker 1: was not fun TV, and so I would love to
Speaker 1: see more fun from miss Cracker. I love that she
Speaker 1: said her brand was stupid, like give us more stupid,
Speaker 1: stupid bitch, you know, like don't give us a mimact
Speaker 1: on the runway, and like some high concept shit like
Speaker 1: be funny. I don't want to see some sad widow
Speaker 1: with your downturned eyebrows um on the runway. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought the litter is gag, though I thought she
Speaker 1: should put her at the time. Um My number three
Speaker 1: is Monique Hart so beautiful. I think she was robbed
Speaker 1: from the top three, as specifically robbed by you ha
Speaker 1: which um. I know that this is going to sound unfair,
Speaker 1: but bowen um. As a Chinese person, you are responsible
Speaker 1: for everything that she says and does. Actually aroblematic. She
Speaker 1: does is sort of by extension your fault, so keep
Speaker 1: that in mind. Collect your people. I know that sound unfair,
Speaker 1: but that is how um the world's works. Everybody's watching.
Speaker 1: I hope that she does better for your sake. I
Speaker 1: was almost going to pick Mayhem for this spot, but
Speaker 1: I think that Mayhem Um, I love her. I think
Speaker 1: she's beautiful, and I want her to do well. But
Speaker 1: anybody who cries that much on reality television is not
Speaker 1: a crime. I'm sorry. They are going to set her
Speaker 1: up so so high only to knock her down. We're
Speaker 1: going to see her crime many many more times. Um
Speaker 1: this season, I can you it, um my number four spot. Matt,
Speaker 1: you have already given me shade for this online. It's
Speaker 1: a joharra. I think she's beautiful. I think she's one
Speaker 1: of the fishies queens this season. I think that beat
Speaker 1: Look at that fucking face and tell me one legendary.
Speaker 1: I think she comes from a prestigious pageant past, which
Speaker 1: you know, like Coco, like Alyssa, like Kennedy Devonport. I
Speaker 1: think she's going to do well. Um, she can slay
Speaker 1: lip sync. I think she's beautiful, and Matt, for you
Speaker 1: to give thrust shade at me for picking her just
Speaker 1: makes you a dumb white bitch. You are the dumbest
Speaker 1: person I think I've ever met. Um and I wear
Speaker 1: both those things. Our conversation online about a jo here,
Speaker 1: and you will feel ashamed because she will be in
Speaker 1: the top, and you will feel so stupid. If she
Speaker 1: does go home next week, I again reserve the right
Speaker 1: to say that she was never in my top four.
Speaker 1: I never said that recorded. Once again, I will deny, deny, deny,
Speaker 1: and you will never Um, You'll never hear me say
Speaker 1: that I am wrong because, um, when talking about this show,
Speaker 1: you can't ever really be wrong because what is this show?
Speaker 1: There are no rules. Anyways, those are my thoughts. I
Speaker 1: love you both, goodbye, Okay, Well that's our first voice.
Speaker 1: Mem oh you bitch, and I I think he said
Speaker 1: a lot of groundbreaking things. I don't think Asia belongs
Speaker 1: to the Top four unless she really turns it out.
Speaker 1: Are you watching this season? Come on? Yeah? Devoted? What
Speaker 1: about you? Who are your favorite? I love Money, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Monique Heart. I'm also really into favorite. Yes, absolutely sensation
Speaker 1: just like gag for her, I was like adorable, so funny,
Speaker 1: and then and then crackers, like back and forth with
Speaker 1: the judges. I was like, where did I get professional?
Speaker 1: I've been following most of them on Instagram for ages anyway,
Speaker 1: because that's like half of what I follow on Instagram
Speaker 1: and dragqueons yeah same, but um, I haven't seen her
Speaker 1: perform live, and I was like, well, We're gonna get
Speaker 1: some some good stuff out of this. She's great life,
Speaker 1: She's got some great old griddld mixing. I don't think
Speaker 1: that he's wrong that Asia is. I don't think Asia
Speaker 1: will go home soon. I just don't think she's top four. Sure, um,
Speaker 1: well on that. Let's listen to Amy Joe's last number. Yes,
Speaker 1: now this is gonna take us out. Amy Joe, thank
Speaker 1: you literally so much for being here, A true like dream, delight,
Speaker 1: pleasure to be here. Well, it's our honor to expose
Speaker 1: your glorious talent and let everyone know again that Amy
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson isn't I want to be your man on it.
Speaker 1: You brought thirteen at nine pm. This is one night
Speaker 1: only people at green Room forty two in New York City.
Speaker 1: And a quick little tip is that tickets are five
Speaker 1: dollars more at the doors. So book We always love
Speaker 1: to see the bookings in advantage your friends a favor.
Speaker 1: If you know you're going by a goddamn advance, we're
Speaker 1: having a heart attack on the day, goddamn it. All right, So, um, briefly,
Speaker 1: so this next piece uh is from a show called
Speaker 1: The Lion, which played off Broadway a few years ago.
Speaker 1: So my friend Ben Shawyer, who I've known. We weren't
Speaker 1: in college together, but we were both in college in
Speaker 1: Boston at the same time. So I've known him since
Speaker 1: I was like eighteen, and he's a singer songwriter and
Speaker 1: and has written some musicals, like just a regular book
Speaker 1: musical type thing as well as like he's played with
Speaker 1: the band for many years. And I like would run
Speaker 1: into him in the city a lot, and I ran
Speaker 1: into him. We were both like rehearsing the same buildings, like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I have this show, uh, and I missed it in
Speaker 1: the first go round and then it got remounted down
Speaker 1: UM on Bleaker Street. I was like, oh, I've got
Speaker 1: to go now that I can see this and it's UM. Basically,
Speaker 1: the the overall idea is it's him like a coming
Speaker 1: of age story and also grapples a lot with the
Speaker 1: death of his father at a young age. But he
Speaker 1: plays like six different guitars. He's an incredible guitarist, and
Speaker 1: he writes all these songs um, and it's the show
Speaker 1: is like an hour fifteen maybe, and I just like
Speaker 1: felt all the films because its so funny and so beautiful.
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the show, you find
Speaker 1: out like this is something I didn't know about him
Speaker 1: because we weren't close at this point in his life,
Speaker 1: but like he struggled with cancer for a few years
Speaker 1: and like it was a really dark time. So this,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was sitting next to someone who like
Speaker 1: we had known each other, were from like mutual friends,
Speaker 1: but we hadn't met. We ended up sitting next to
Speaker 1: one another, the amazing pianist to Drew what keep and
Speaker 1: we were like, oh my gosh, it's you, babbabla. So
Speaker 1: we're sitting there basically just having met, holding hands, weeping
Speaker 1: because it was so incredible. So this song, in the
Speaker 1: context of the show, is his girlfriend. He's telling the
Speaker 1: story of a squirlfldness though it's a girlfriend's perspective. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of a gender band moment because he sang it,
Speaker 1: but it's it's meant to be the girlfriend character he
Speaker 1: talks about. You. You're bending the gender band always. Well,
Speaker 1: let's listen, yes, and thank you guys so much for listening.
Speaker 1: This is Amy Joe Jackson enjoy and with with of course,
Speaker 1: with Henry Koperski sounding lovely as well. Here we go.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the invisible cities, where the pace is
Speaker 1: different than the one we know. I'm bringing only one
Speaker 1: not so big suitcase, and I might ask you to
Speaker 1: send some things. I need a little time to explore
Speaker 1: the world alone, make some friends who have never met you,
Speaker 1: speak a language you don't know, do some dances unfamiliar,
Speaker 1: and some clothes you'll never see. I might lose a
Speaker 1: little you there, but in your place I'll fine a
Speaker 1: bit more me. I met a puppy. His name is Arturo,
Speaker 1: and he rests his pointy face on my shoulder when
Speaker 1: I'm lying in bed here in an invisible city. I'm
Speaker 1: not a woman, and her name is Nutty, and she
Speaker 1: lets me share her bed with her. Me and our terrow.
Speaker 1: I need a little time to explore the world alone.
Speaker 1: Eat the food I've never tasted, Drink the wine i've
Speaker 1: never known, feel the kisses of a lover, someone sweet
Speaker 1: and dark and new. I might lose a little me there,
Speaker 1: but in my place I'll find a bit more you.
Speaker 1: And if you ask, through all these months of exploration,
Speaker 1: have you found the thing you were looking forward last?
Speaker 1: I would explain. When I haveve in each new city,
Speaker 1: I find again a past of mine. I did not
Speaker 1: know I have, and so I'm taking time to explore
Speaker 1: the world alone. Don't expect a lot of phone calls.
Speaker 1: I don't know when I'll come home. It could be
Speaker 1: and the summer, but more likely and the full And
Speaker 1: maybe then you'll see me you were the first time,
Speaker 1: really see me, and I'll cease to feel invisible at all. Forever.
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