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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 1: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck

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Speaker 1: here an NYC with my main man, Clay out in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot to get to with you. Southwest

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Speaker 1: Airlines scrapping a plan to put unvaccinated staff on unpaid leave.

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Speaker 1: Looks like pushed back is actually pushing things back at least.

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Speaker 1: You've also got the New York Post doing some reporting

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Speaker 1: on Biden administration flying illegal immigrant teen migrants around the

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Speaker 1: country in the dead of night. The Jefferson that's right,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson statue voted to be removed from a New

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Speaker 1: York City council chamber. This has been a multi year

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Speaker 1: effort to get rid of perhaps the second best known

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Speaker 1: or most celebrated founding father. I'm sure some of you

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Speaker 1: have opinions on that. Plus you've got another story that

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Speaker 1: comes out that we just put in the pile of

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck. We're right that says COVID natural immunity

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Speaker 1: is just as good as being jabbed, and I would

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Speaker 1: offer we'll find in time it is clearly better than

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Speaker 1: the JAB, but they're not yet willing to say that.

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Speaker 1: But it's just as good according to the newest date

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Speaker 1: and research. But I want to start with something that

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Speaker 1: you're probably seeing and feeling all across the country right now,

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Speaker 1: and it is the people that are supposed to have

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Speaker 1: a way of telling you how good things are because

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Speaker 1: it's in their interests, because they're in power. They are

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Speaker 1: in close proximity to the Biden White House in terms

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Speaker 1: of their ideology, or perhaps even just the Washington d C.

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Speaker 1: Press courts, so they're in true proximity. They're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be telling you in their minds how great a job

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is doing, and they're not able to because

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Speaker 1: things don't look very good right now. It's very hard

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Speaker 1: to make the case that the country is more prosperous,

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Speaker 1: more optimistic, more unified. All these things they told us

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Speaker 1: that there would be if only we would allow Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden to save us from the scourge of Orange Man

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Speaker 1: bad Donald Trump, right, that was the promise they made.

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Speaker 1: I know, if you're listening to this, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you went along with that promise. But so maybe there

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Speaker 1: are independents who are having voters remorse, to be sure,

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Speaker 1: and there are some who are having to spew some

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Speaker 1: honesty on the topic that perhaps weren't planning to do

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Speaker 1: so before. The Washington Post has an editorial, and Clay,

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Speaker 1: I love this one. Don't rant about short staff stores

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Speaker 1: and supply chain woes. It's an entire editorial devoted to Americans.

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Speaker 1: You're so used to ordering your pizza and having it

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Speaker 1: fifty different kinds of milk, oat, milk, i'm in milk,

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Speaker 1: hazelnut milk, whatever, You're used to all this, You're basically spoiled.

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Speaker 1: This is the Washing Post. Lower your expectations, this is

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Speaker 1: what they have been relegated to as defenders of Biden.

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Speaker 1: Ask for and expect less, Clay, ask for and expect

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Speaker 1: to less, and also expect that you're going back in

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Speaker 1: time because Jimmy Carter has lived to see a president

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Speaker 1: who is more ineffectual than he was. And this is

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Speaker 1: I believe where we are headed rapidly, Buck. We talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about what's next, right trying to not only

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Speaker 1: analyze what's going on right now, in the country. But

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Speaker 1: thinking about where we are headed, I just I look

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Speaker 1: out on the horizon, and aside from COVID, which I

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Speaker 1: think everybody out there hopes is going to kind of

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Speaker 1: follow the natural course of a virus and start to diminish,

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Speaker 1: as we've said for some time, like that's not because

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Speaker 1: of something that Biden is doing. But aside from COVID,

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Speaker 1: which I think in the next year and the year

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Speaker 1: in this country. Can you think of anything buck that

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Speaker 1: you're remotely optimistic about getting better? And I think that's

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Speaker 1: where a lot of Americans are right now as we

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Speaker 1: get ready for this Virginia election and we start to

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Speaker 1: pivot towards next year, You're not only as the president

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Speaker 1: selling a better reality, you're selling a better future. Does

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Speaker 1: anyone out there, I mean just anyone listening right now,

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Speaker 1: can you even think and spin an optimistic story in

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Speaker 1: anything that the president has involved in other than again,

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Speaker 1: COVID is unlikely to be as bad in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: natural evolution of that virus, but the border inflation, the

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Speaker 1: overall economic malaise, in this country. To me, there is

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Speaker 1: no reason to believe that Biden or this administration is

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Speaker 1: any Is there any optimism in your mind right now? Buck,

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Speaker 1: because we try to be happy warriors on the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm optimistic that COVID is not going to be as

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Speaker 1: is there anything you're optimistic about at all? No, but

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Speaker 1: I can see where the narrative will go right now.

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Speaker 1: They're just they're out of gas man, high gas prices too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, they don't have any maneuverability because it's

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Speaker 1: it's always hangs, it's right around, you know, it's basically

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Speaker 1: the economy, healthcare, immigration, right, those things are always at

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Speaker 1: just one example of a place that it's impossible to

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Speaker 1: spin that as anything other than they are failing. They

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Speaker 1: can try the usual, you know, teerie eyed, we're a

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Speaker 1: the emotional manipulation. My concern is, as you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been worried that they'll be a sense of momentum in

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Speaker 1: if they get a big spending package through, what are

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Speaker 1: they gonna do. They're gonna say, judge us, not by

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Speaker 1: free quote unquote goodies that we will be distributing to

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Speaker 1: then hope that people don't recognize because the media is

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Speaker 1: the rich people. That's what they're going to say, and

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Speaker 1: of control bucket. We're not even talking. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: I were talking because, as we say a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: supply chain is going to be a major issue. That's

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Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine. All of that's eminently predictable. We haven't

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Speaker 1: They've caused all of their own disasters so far. As

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Speaker 1: That's often the most dangerous, and certainly the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of this stuff, the socialism and

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Speaker 1: know that's ideological stuff, that's for the base. I don't think, Clay,

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Speaker 1: And so now it's moved to hey, we're in a

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Speaker 1: I mean, his slogan has been built back better. It

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Speaker 1: should really be lower your expectations. That's good. Also, is

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Speaker 1: what is going to be your reality? I think, Buck,

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Speaker 1: how often do you go shopping? I mean something other? Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: of them are people who have spent years and years

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Speaker 1: training and working their way up for everybody else, meaning

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Speaker 1: this is going to be an even more substantial loss

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Speaker 1: than say, if you were just losing some new recruits,

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Speaker 1: people who had just signed up, which would still be bad.

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Speaker 1: But this, I don't understand how this is going to

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Speaker 1: be anything other than cataclysmic for these cities. I really don't.

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Speaker 1: You know, Chicago, we're speaking about shootings. It's just a

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Speaker 1: headline that you'll see, not in most of the Democrat

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Speaker 1: corporate media, but you will see it. You know, dozens

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Speaker 1: of people's shot of the weekend in Chicago. It's become

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Speaker 1: far too commonplace a city with several times the violent

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Speaker 1: crime rate of other large cities like Los Angeles and

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Speaker 1: New York. It's much more violent Chicago is than Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles and New York the other and I believe much

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Speaker 1: more so than even than Houston as well, which is

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Speaker 1: another city of roughly comparable size. Here's the mayor of Chicago,

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Speaker 1: Lori Lightfoot, who not only is getting rough with the

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Speaker 1: police verbally, but is when to use the eye word.

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Speaker 1: That's right, insurrection. The contract is clear and has been

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Speaker 1: known for a long time. The police unions are not

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Speaker 1: authorized to stripe. It's in their collective bargain agreement. It's

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Speaker 1: a matter of state law. What we've seen from the

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Speaker 1: Fraternal Order or Police in particularly the leadership is a

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Speaker 1: lot of misinformation, a lot of half truth and frankly

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Speaker 1: flat outlies in order to induce an insurrection. And we're

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Speaker 1: not having that. And so we want to make it

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Speaker 1: very very clear that the laws on our side, even

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Speaker 1: we feel very confident about it. And what he said,

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Speaker 1: even after what I heard that he said, even after

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit was filed and we notified them, is urging

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Speaker 1: members of the department to ignore their chain of command.

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Speaker 1: You got to say, we've been talking all along about

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Speaker 1: how the purpose of the January sixth narrative is to

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Speaker 1: create the same way Russia collusion was the storyline for

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Speaker 1: everything anti Trump. If you stand athwart the Democrat machinery,

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Speaker 1: you're an insurrectionist. Well, and I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: this when we come back to close out the hour,

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Speaker 1: because I think one solution and I would encourage And

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Speaker 1: I know we have a lot of people who run

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Speaker 1: businesses out there listening to us, who are high up

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Speaker 1: in different companies listening to us that are impacted theoretically

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Speaker 1: by the hundred plus order that the federal government under

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is trying to put in place. But what

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Speaker 1: I would say is the way to solve these issues

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Speaker 1: buck is to have expansive and substantial space for exemptions

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Speaker 1: that's what a lot of intelligent CEOs and executives who

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Speaker 1: Southwest Airlines, remember they said publicly, oh, this had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with the COVID vaccine mandate, but as they

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Speaker 1: are facing potentially major issues, they suddenly decide to walk

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Speaker 1: back their COVID vaccine mandates draconian rules, which certainly makes

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Speaker 1: the calls that we took from Southwest Airlines pilots sound

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Speaker 1: like it's a very representative sample of what really went on,

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Speaker 1: which was there were multiple factors at play as to

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Speaker 1: why they had to cancel flights, but a big part

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Speaker 1: of it was a lot of pilots maybe with extra

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Speaker 1: vacation days, maybe some retirement coming on that there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of them that called out to go ahead

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Speaker 1: and start using up those days based on the mandate.

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like Southwest is getting smarter about this,

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Speaker 1: and also I think was an indicator to Southwest, you

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Speaker 1: better take care of this, because even if let's just

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Speaker 1: say that what the initial story was was largely or

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Speaker 1: partially true about it was a lot of logistics issues.

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Speaker 1: Some people were out whatever right that they realized, oh wait,

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Speaker 1: if we keep pushing on this now, people realize how

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Speaker 1: quickly many of the folks who oppose the mandate, who

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Speaker 1: work for Southwest know what power they actually have here.

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Speaker 1: So better not to tempt fate and allow for a

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Speaker 1: further or more consolidated stepping out of the office, stepping

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Speaker 1: away from work here to bring Southwest to heal. So

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Speaker 1: to speak on the issue of the vaccine, man, I

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Speaker 1: think they realized how bad it could get, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And I want to just use my local school district

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Speaker 1: as an example of what I think most companies around

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Speaker 1: the country should be doing if they are having issues

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Speaker 1: with the COVID vaccine mandate. Employee response to it, You know, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I went and talked to local school board. It was

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Speaker 1: a fiery scene a couple of months ago over mask mandates.

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Speaker 1: What they did in Williamson County, Tennessee, the county that

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Speaker 1: I live in, just south of Tennessee, is they effectively

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Speaker 1: said anyone who fills out a one page exemption form

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Speaker 1: and cites either a religious or health related exemption their

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Speaker 1: kids don't have to wear masks. A huge percentage of

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Speaker 1: kids all over this county whose parents felt most strongly,

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Speaker 1: such as me, about not requiring kids to wear masks,

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Speaker 1: filled out those exemption forms. They were immediately all granted.

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Speaker 1: If I were running a company right now and I

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Speaker 1: was concerned about the OSHA implementation of the policies that

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is putting in place, and I had over

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Speaker 1: a hundred employees, I would be building massive, easily granted exemptions.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be advertising it, but I would create a

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Speaker 1: one page sheet for everybody who wants to be able

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Speaker 1: to download it to fill it out and explain why

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get the COVID vaccine, and I

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Speaker 1: would grant all of them. That's what I would think.

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Speaker 1: That's an excellent idea. I also think it's kind of

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Speaker 1: funny in a sense because that's a bit like what

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration has done at the border in any ways,

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Speaker 1: created well because they want people to come in, they

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Speaker 1: want this to continue. If you want to defend people's

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Speaker 1: individual liberty and freedom, this is the way within the

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Speaker 1: system to open up the doorways to that, and I

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Speaker 1: think that is what people should do, and that's that's

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Speaker 1: a way forward. But all this is going to be

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Speaker 1: so dependent on what we keep talking about, which is

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Speaker 1: what does it look like in this winter period. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've spoken to friends of yours and mind they're in

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Speaker 1: this business about what their predictions are, and they range

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Speaker 1: too people who have been very, very sober minded on

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Speaker 1: what's really going on with COVID, the lockdowns and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Some of them feel like it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: really tough winter in a lot of ways and a

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Speaker 1: lot of places in this country in terms of hospitalizations

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Speaker 1: and even deaths from COVID. Others feel like, yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: got so much natural immunity. Plus even if you think

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Speaker 1: how long they last and the rest of it, they're

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Speaker 1: definitely a short term therapeutic for people. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: definitely helps for three months, six months, and if you

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Speaker 1: get enough people to get boosters. So I feel like

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Speaker 1: there are cases in both directions here. But Clay, that's

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Speaker 1: what you know. Your theory about Delta Airline I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: about the Biden administration. Rather the Deltas also walk back stuff.

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Speaker 1: The Biden administration maybe not going forward with the ocean

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Speaker 1: that I could see that because it does say the

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Speaker 1: data has changed. It doesn't make sense. Buck. They announced

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Speaker 1: on September ninth that they were going to be implementing

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Speaker 1: a federal vaccine mandate. We are now approaching late October

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Speaker 1: and they still haven't implemented that mandate. They bought themselves

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Speaker 1: six weeks of time, whatever the math is going to

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Speaker 1: end up being, and in the process, they've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of state, local, and businesses out there that have

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Speaker 1: gone ahead and put their own policies in place. That

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Speaker 1: has driven up the overall amount of vaccination in this country.

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Speaker 1: And so I wonder on some level whether at the

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Speaker 1: last moment the Biden administration is going to pivot because

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Speaker 1: going to say, we're going to give the authority to

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Speaker 1: the businesses to implement these rules. The federal government's not

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Speaker 1: going to be involved, and then they can dodge the

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Speaker 1: legal fallout if they end up And it also gives

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Speaker 1: them buck in the event that things get worse in

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Speaker 1: the in the winter, they can come back over the

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Speaker 1: tops of implement it now. They keep the bazuka in

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Speaker 1: their back pockets, so to speak, for use later on.

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Speaker 1: I think this is also why Governor Greg Abbott of

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Speaker 1: I have wanted other governors to do for some time now,

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Speaker 1: which is to say, I'm sorry, we're not doing mandates

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Speaker 1: in this state. We're using the plenary powers of the state,

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Speaker 1: which is constitutional. People forget in the early state is

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Speaker 1: the pandemic we were always told, Yeah, masks and social

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Speaker 1: distancing and shutting down businesses under expansive health authority that

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Speaker 1: states have during a pandemic, and quarantine ability and all

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Speaker 1: these things. States can do a lot of damage through

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Speaker 1: your freedom as long as they don't exceed constitutional boundaries. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's well. In the case of the state of Texas,

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to end up being on solid

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Speaker 1: ground by saying you're not allowed to They could. They

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Speaker 1: can make in an issue of conscience. They can make

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Speaker 1: it an issue of just health department policy. It's the

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Speaker 1: federal government that's not supposed to be telling you in

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Speaker 1: your town two hours west of Dallas whether you can

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Speaker 1: have mandates or not for your The federal government's not

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Speaker 1: supposed to be doing that. The state government actually has,

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Speaker 1: you know, a much bigger writ for involvement in those

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Speaker 1: things if it wants to. So I think they'll be

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Speaker 1: on solid ground if they're smart, and we know the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration has not been smart a lot. That's what

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Speaker 1: they'll do, and people out there say, no, there's no

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Speaker 1: way they're going to do this. Well, they've tried the

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Speaker 1: carrot and the stick approach for much of this year,

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Speaker 1: because remember when they came out in May, when it

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Speaker 1: looked like the vaccines we're going to be wildly successful

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Speaker 1: and the cases we're falling like crazy, and they said

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Speaker 1: nobody has to wear a mask if they're vaccinated. Effectively,

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Speaker 1: that was a default into the mask requirement. Now they

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Speaker 1: had to walk it back and they tried to reinstitute it,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people said I'm over this. I

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Speaker 1: think that's what's going on right now with these ocean mandates. Now,

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Speaker 1: you can also say they are worried about trying to

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Speaker 1: fight to get the budget reconciliation done too, and they

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Speaker 1: don't want to distract, so they could wait till the

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Speaker 1: end of October if they could get that worked out

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Speaker 1: and make a decision in November. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: they want the vaccine mandate to turn into a big

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Speaker 1: battle in twenty twenty two, which is where we would

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Speaker 1: be heading if they put the vaccine mandate in right

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Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving, right before Christmas and anger a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention, do you really want dad and mom

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Speaker 1: losing their jobs right before Christmas over a vaccine mandate

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Speaker 1: for a vaccine that has for many people absolutely no protection,

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Speaker 1: job losses, MP shelves, Merry Christmas from the Biden administration. Also,

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Speaker 1: Trump was right about something else we're going to tell

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Speaker 1: you about. It is it's in Buck Sexton's own home city.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson under five, you're listening to Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton fund the EIB Network. Three