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Speaker 3: Come in, everybody. You got the whole trifecta today.
Speaker 2: This feels so nice. Welcome home, Ron.
Speaker 3: Thank you, welcome home, Thank you, welcome home, Joy, Thanks.
Speaker 1: It feels good to be home with you. Guys all.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 3: It's been a minute since it's been all three of us.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy about this is a nice episode too, And.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get ahead of us, but I'm
Speaker 3: going to. I was so delighted to see that you
Speaker 3: directed the Thank you me too, and I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: ahead of myself again. One of my favorite shots of
Speaker 3: the season so far.
Speaker 1: Oh whoa, yeah, let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, let me talk about the specific shot before we
Speaker 3: even talk about the episode title.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, no, no, hold on, we do have
Speaker 1: to do the episode title you're right. I forgot that
Speaker 1: this is part of our job. Do we do the
Speaker 1: episode title.
Speaker 3: Like well, director, director.
Speaker 1: Reading, Hello everyone, this is season seven, Episode one, seven
Speaker 1: That's seventeen at the Bottom of Everything, Air date February fifteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty ten. Nathan tries to help Haley and Jamie confront
Speaker 1: Lydia's seemingly hopeless situation, while Brooke and Julian navigate their
Speaker 1: volatile friendship. While Brooke and Julian navigate their volatile relationship
Speaker 1: in the midst of a hectic movie shoot. Meanwhile, Clay
Speaker 1: is on a work trip and runs into a familiar face.
Speaker 1: Miranda also tries to prove to Grubs that she's the
Speaker 1: right person to produce his album. Directed by Yours Truly
Speaker 1: writer John Norris.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this episode so much, ad too. It
Speaker 2: was very well written. I think there could have been
Speaker 2: one better to direct it than you because of the
Speaker 2: sort of central force in Haley's life being the center
Speaker 2: of the episode. And I don't know why I heard
Speaker 2: It's like I heard in my ear while I was
Speaker 2: watching one of the early episodes that you and I
Speaker 2: did with Hill talking about the kind of revelation of
Speaker 2: the simplicity of our show that we just let people
Speaker 2: talk about their feelings and all this vulnerability and all
Speaker 2: this learning to process, and in a way the device
Speaker 2: of everyone having to help Jamie as a kid process it.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, this you know, obviously we didn't
Speaker 2: get to meet Haley's mom until this adult phase the
Speaker 2: time jump of the show, but it felt like an
Speaker 2: old episode too. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, we actually did meet Haley's mom
Speaker 1: early on when wedding Nathan and Haley go meet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the wedding, but it's been so long. I mean, Rob
Speaker 1: didn't even know that Huey Lewis played Haley's dad, so like,
Speaker 1: you know, we had a lot to catch up on
Speaker 1: with the two of them, or with her anyway. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, there was there was a simplicity that came
Speaker 1: back in this even in the antics with Grubs and Miranda,
Speaker 1: like it was, you know, it was gimmicky and fun,
Speaker 1: but it was still just two people just trying to
Speaker 1: connect in a unique and funny way. And I there's
Speaker 1: so much of that in this episode. The simplicity that
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I really were you great ming as.
Speaker 2: A director to try to make it feel like the
Speaker 2: high school years. Or do you think that was just
Speaker 2: coming through in like reverse osmosis.
Speaker 1: No, I think I was just trying to feel the
Speaker 1: emotion of the of the scenes. I mean, directing for
Speaker 1: me is like is like listening to music. You feel
Speaker 1: in your body where the emotions are sitting. Is it
Speaker 1: is it high fast paced anxiety, like the scene with
Speaker 1: Mitch and Not and Janna, Alex Alex and Alex the
Speaker 1: daddy Alex's Or is it softer and more gentle and
Speaker 1: like the opening scene where I'm watching Lydia and all
Speaker 1: the little movements that you appreciate about somebody as you
Speaker 1: recognize that they're going to be slowly leaving your presence.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it was more about trying to
Speaker 1: identify the with the with the first few seasons as
Speaker 1: much as that just naturally happened because our directors in
Speaker 1: the first few seasons, I think, also did that. They
Speaker 1: really moved with the musical emotion of the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that a lot of scenes.
Speaker 3: It also feels like it it's a combination of good
Speaker 3: writing for good actors. Yeah, Because I watched that opening
Speaker 3: scene and my first note is, you know, I like
Speaker 3: the way we're watching Lydia's story unfold. It feels very
Speaker 3: grounded and real. So I think you have good writing,
Speaker 3: but then you have people making smart, subtle, honest choices,
Speaker 3: and that kind of set the tone for everything because
Speaker 3: that story is the through line to the episode.
Speaker 1: Letting it be, just let it, let people take a look. No,
Speaker 1: nothing was forced, even a glance to the side or
Speaker 1: just watching somebody sit. Leave the camera on the actor
Speaker 1: and trust them to give you what you need. You
Speaker 1: don't have to do a lot of stuff with the cameras,
Speaker 1: and not a lot of fancy tricks that need to
Speaker 1: be done.
Speaker 2: Just trust Yeah, And you know what, it's really good
Speaker 2: point because when you give great actors, you know, like
Speaker 2: Bess and all of you surrounding her and all these scenes,
Speaker 2: really good material. It's also not overwritten. It wasn't one
Speaker 2: of those scripts where you knew you were going to
Speaker 2: lose two scenes to the cutting room floor just to
Speaker 2: make time. You actually had time to watch a line
Speaker 2: be delivered and then watch someone think about what they
Speaker 2: just said. We had some air to breathe, and I
Speaker 2: think that was really important for the subject matter because
Speaker 2: if it had been if it had been sped up
Speaker 2: for the amount of lines in the episode, there was
Speaker 2: so much nuance we would have missed.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that story about an old black
Speaker 3: and white movie? It's like one of the classics. And
Speaker 3: at the final shot is the woman watching like a
Speaker 3: boat go off into the distance, and you know it's
Speaker 3: on her and I guess the story goes that she
Speaker 3: went to the director and said, you know, what, what
Speaker 3: should I be thinking about, you know while I watch that?
Speaker 3: And he said, doing your laundry when you get home,
Speaker 3: And he said, don't you don't have to do anything.
Speaker 3: The audience is going to project all of their own
Speaker 3: stuff that they've been feeling for the last eighty nine
Speaker 3: minutes onto that moment. And I love that, right because
Speaker 3: it's the truth. And like the same thing with this one,
Speaker 3: Like everyone has a story that's simil to what Lydia
Speaker 3: and the Scots are going through, right, So everyone has
Speaker 3: their own baggage that they're going to bring it the scene.
Speaker 3: So when you have a good actor kind of just
Speaker 3: sit back and do a little with it, it's not
Speaker 3: a problem because the audience is going to meet them
Speaker 3: halfway or more than halfway, with their own stuff to
Speaker 3: fill in all the links.
Speaker 1: That's a really fun part of acting when you just
Speaker 1: get to hold space. You know, there's times when you
Speaker 1: have to drive a scene and you really have to
Speaker 1: dive in, but man to be able to just sit
Speaker 1: back and hold space for the audience. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of storytelling that's like, it feels like you're really in service.
Speaker 1: You're not there for an ego boost. You're there to
Speaker 1: just open it up and let people, let the audience
Speaker 1: do what they need to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. That's really cool.
Speaker 3: I had this an early mentor of mine say, it
Speaker 3: should be a privilege for the audience to know what
Speaker 3: you're thinking.
Speaker 1: M that's interesting.
Speaker 3: And then we'd be occasionally we'd be occasionally doing a
Speaker 3: scene and he'd be like, Robbie Less, this is this
Speaker 3: is your lean in moment. I was like, and he goes,
Speaker 3: this is when we get the audience to lean forward
Speaker 3: in their chairs. It's like, oh, so it was kind
Speaker 3: of the beginning of that, Like.
Speaker 1: I'm going to write that down. It should be a
Speaker 1: privilege the audience to know what you're thinking. I love
Speaker 1: that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out Tims.
Speaker 2: You know what it makes me think of the scene
Speaker 2: that you a little further into the episode, I know
Speaker 2: we're going to probably bounce around today because we're talking
Speaker 2: about so much emotional stuff. There's that great scene where
Speaker 2: Quinn takes Clay to see the gallery space, and I
Speaker 2: wrote down that you guys did something really special, because
Speaker 2: we've all been in that position where something horrible is
Speaker 2: happening and you got to just do what you got
Speaker 2: to do. You know, she's got this thing happening at home,
Speaker 2: as all the James girls do, but she's trying to
Speaker 2: keep it positive and Clay's going out of town and
Speaker 2: Quinn's got the space and you stop her and you
Speaker 2: call yourself the poster boy for suffering alone, and Sean
Speaker 2: tell me it's such a great choice. Or maybe it
Speaker 2: was just what was happening between the two of you,
Speaker 2: like sometimes it takes you over and sometimes you're really
Speaker 2: trying to do the right thing for the roller coaster
Speaker 2: of the episode. So I don't know what she was thinking,
Speaker 2: but I loved watching you because I saw you offer
Speaker 2: an observation of yourself crack her open, because she knew
Speaker 2: she was being seen, and it is so hard to
Speaker 2: act on the verge of crying not to just cry,
Speaker 2: and she is trying to hold those tears in and
Speaker 2: keep it up beat, and she's smiling, but her voice
Speaker 2: is cracking and her eyes are tearing, and you're just
Speaker 2: standing there telling her you're going to be home as
Speaker 2: quickly as you can, and neither of you is really
Speaker 2: saying the thing, but you're saying so much. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite scenes in the episode, Like, you guys were so
Speaker 2: beautiful together.
Speaker 3: She was so good in that scene. The takeaway the
Speaker 3: note I had from that was a team yeah. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 2: Wrote She's on the edge the whole time, and it
Speaker 2: makes I want to solve Is it like I'm watching
Speaker 2: these people do this beautiful job, like trying not to
Speaker 2: cry alone in my living room.
Speaker 1: You're right, that's the smart part about that's the interactive
Speaker 1: storytelling of an actor holding it back because then it
Speaker 1: gives you the chance. It's like, you know, when you
Speaker 1: grow up in a family where there's one person with
Speaker 1: all the emotion and nobody else has space for their
Speaker 1: own emotions.
Speaker 2: I wonder what you're talking about it.
Speaker 1: So that's what it's like to be able to be
Speaker 1: an actor and hold it back so that you're not
Speaker 1: taking over the emotional space. Let the audience have the
Speaker 1: emotion that they need to have. That's exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: I think, do you remember directing the scene?
Speaker 1: I do, because and what I remember is that you
Speaker 1: guys made it so easy because exactly that I didn't
Speaker 1: have to There wasn't a lot to do there. It
Speaker 1: was just let them feel what they're feeling.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I I just trust audiences a lot, probably a lot
Speaker 1: more than I should. I don't know, but I give
Speaker 1: I give people a lot of credit for being smart
Speaker 1: and so I I don't know, it seemed like it
Speaker 1: was gonna work, but it did.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a fault. I think that's a
Speaker 3: good thing because the result is good TV.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Before I forget, let me just tell you, Oh it was,
Speaker 3: because I'm gonna jump way ahead.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 3: The Owen and Millie storyline, first of all, was wild
Speaker 3: and great, especially great because in the in the recovery meeting,
Speaker 3: when when she sees Owen, I thought, oh, no way,
Speaker 3: this is an interesting way to bring Joe back. And
Speaker 3: then about five minutes later in my notes, like wait,
Speaker 3: a second, isn't he the one she slept us? And
Speaker 3: then and then when she has him come pick her
Speaker 3: up at the apartment. First of all, when she walks
Speaker 3: in and she's really petty and jealous to miss Lauren
Speaker 3: and uh in mouth, I was like, come on. Then
Speaker 3: she has Owen pick her up at the place, double
Speaker 3: come on. But when they're bowling, the shot is this sorry,
Speaker 3: this is the this is the scenic route to getting
Speaker 3: to my point. They they're bowling, it's the end of
Speaker 3: the scene. Yes, And they both sit down to take
Speaker 3: their shoes off. I wrote it down to it's just
Speaker 3: a shot at knee level, but both heads have dipped
Speaker 3: into it and they're just talking. And I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: that is such a cool, unique shot. I love that.
Speaker 3: Do you remember doing it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not one of the ones that was like
Speaker 1: really sticking in my mind. I just remembered it. I
Speaker 1: mean no, I mean I like that shot too. I
Speaker 1: was always looking for ways to have people not be
Speaker 1: talking heads, Like sometimes it's important to just, as we say,
Speaker 1: leave the camera alone and let people do what they're doing.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to create a sense of intimacy, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was one of those things that I
Speaker 1: was just watching them do their action, and you know,
Speaker 1: when you disco you watch an actor create a moment,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's exciting. Stay there for a second,
Speaker 1: let me figure out how I can. I love the
Speaker 1: feeling I'm getting. I want to get closer. So I
Speaker 1: think they just did that in rehearsal and it naturally
Speaker 1: was great, let's do it.
Speaker 2: And it was so What I loved about it, too,
Speaker 2: is that it felt spontaneous, which is such a nice
Speaker 2: feeling to get when you know you've shot a scene
Speaker 2: eighty six times in like wide shots and close ups
Speaker 2: and whatever. And I loved that they both leaned in
Speaker 2: and we didn't watch them taking off their bowling shoes
Speaker 2: to put their shoes on, but we knew exactly what
Speaker 2: they were doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I liked this storyline. I like the
Speaker 1: two of them. I relate to this sense of, yes,
Speaker 1: they had this moment together. I don't know whether we
Speaker 1: landed on it was a mistake or it was just
Speaker 1: what it was. I mean, we had a lot of
Speaker 1: issues around the way those episodes were written, around Millie
Speaker 1: and her virginity and all that, but they experienced something
Speaker 1: together that created a ripple effect in their lives and
Speaker 1: still coming back together and talking through things, being friends
Speaker 1: instead of just avoiding each other, like understanding that there's
Speaker 1: something in the shared experience that they need each other.
Speaker 1: And that's okay. It doesn't everything doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: perfectly clean cut and following all the rules of how
Speaker 1: you should be interacting with people, If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I just really I really like their dynamic a lot.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know how much I missed Owen until
Speaker 1: I saw him just as a viewer. I was like, oh, yeah, Owen,
Speaker 1: I miss him.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: It's also really refreshing when, to your point, we've sort
Speaker 2: of seen this pseudo stereotypical thing happen and we go
Speaker 2: dick and then this unexpected thing happens episodes later, and
Speaker 2: Owen knowing where Milly is because he was there once, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and being a good friend and being you know, protective
Speaker 2: and encouraging in a way. It's almost like a palette
Speaker 2: cleanser for all this stuff we hated months ago. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it reminds you of how great actually both of
Speaker 2: these people are. And I appreciate when we don't act. Look,
Speaker 2: life is not black and white, right, like everything is
Speaker 2: shades of gray. You can be a good person and
Speaker 2: still have made a mess. You can be an incredible spouse, partner, daughter, son, whatever,
Speaker 2: and still have hurt someone you care about and been
Speaker 2: devastatingly hurt by people you care about. I appreciated in
Speaker 2: this that we let people make a mess and clean
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get to see the longevity of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's human. And I think maybe it feels even
Speaker 2: more refreshing, you know, because we now live in a
Speaker 2: sort of experiential era that we didn't when we were
Speaker 2: filming this, where everything is so like sharp and judgmental,
Speaker 2: and the internet is full of bots and like everything's
Speaker 2: just vicious everywhere. There's no room for longevity. There's no
Speaker 2: room for people to be people. And I love I
Speaker 2: don't know. I was so relieved to see that long
Speaker 2: arc of this relationship and the healing that they're doing
Speaker 2: in the way that they only really can see each
Speaker 2: other right now and like support each other, And I
Speaker 2: just thought it was really beautiful.
Speaker 1: You know what else I don't think I had seen
Speaker 1: almost any of, certainly not on the CW at the time,
Speaker 1: was AA or any kind of like a group therapy
Speaker 1: group accountability, Like the normalizing of going to a meeting,
Speaker 1: like just show up at a Tuesday afternoon meeting and
Speaker 1: if somebody there makes you uncomfortable, the fact that he offered,
Speaker 1: like we can schedule it so we go on different days.
Speaker 1: Just the normalizing of that in conversation that it's totally
Speaker 1: okay and it's good and it's helpful. I realized I
Speaker 1: just watching it back, I was like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'd seen almost any of that on TV, so it
Speaker 1: was kind of cool.
Speaker 2: It was cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, For as much as I disliked Millie's drug storyline,
Speaker 3: I found this replashing. Yeah, it was. It was the
Speaker 3: right amount of like raw and messy but honest. And
Speaker 3: the way that they wrote Owen into it and he
Speaker 3: sort of shepherd in her being the more experienced with
Speaker 3: some time, you know, recovery time was great, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think there's a line where she says something
Speaker 3: like thanks, I don't I don't think you know how much.
Speaker 2: That means to me, Like I do, exactly there.
Speaker 3: Great, you said so much there with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, simple cut it down, just cut it down.
Speaker 2: Because there's so much power in it. And you know
Speaker 2: what's crazy just hearing you say that joy, like I
Speaker 2: just had this whoe because obviously we all talk a
Speaker 2: lot about you know, growth and joy because our characters
Speaker 2: went through them. We've all been on this ride together
Speaker 2: for you know, ten to twenty years, and like seeing
Speaker 2: you talk about how that just wasn't a thing then
Speaker 2: and your book is behind you, it's like I sort
Speaker 2: of had this out of body experience being like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, could you imagine if then when you felt
Speaker 2: as isolated as you did, and I hope it's okay,
Speaker 2: then it brings us up. But like you, you were
Speaker 2: so stuck in your high demand group, we all were
Speaker 2: also in a like an almost toxically masculine environment. We're
Speaker 2: no matter what was happening to anyone, we were never
Speaker 2: supposed to bring it up and never supposed to talk
Speaker 2: about it and never supposed to rock the boat. And
Speaker 2: you were supposed to come to work and like do
Speaker 2: your thing. And you know, I think so much about
Speaker 2: how this was the season after like Hillary left, when
Speaker 2: she and I finally got to start talking about some
Speaker 2: of the things that we were putting the pieces together
Speaker 2: as we talked about earlier in the show, like the
Speaker 2: things Mark was doing, Yeah, things our boss was doing
Speaker 2: and saying behind our back site. We couldn't really talk
Speaker 2: about it until she was gone. And it's like, can
Speaker 2: you imagine if instead of coming to work and being like, hey,
Speaker 2: are you good and then waiting and being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm good, are you good? And everyone was kind of
Speaker 2: like yeah, like if therapy, if aa, if any of
Speaker 2: this stuff had been less taboo, Like can you imagine
Speaker 2: how how much quicker we would have arrived to this class?
Speaker 1: It would have changed, That would have changed my life.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, yeah, you know I had There
Speaker 1: was a diction in my family, and it's in the lineage,
Speaker 1: you know, but that stuff gets passed down, whether it's
Speaker 1: your immediate family or your right before the grandparents. And
Speaker 1: I remember my mom taking me to alan On, which
Speaker 1: is for family members of addicts. And I remember her
Speaker 1: taking me when I was like sixteen and dropped me off,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking this is going to be good for her,
Speaker 1: it's helpful. She was all. It was best of intention,
Speaker 1: But at sixteen, it was like this dark, small room.
Speaker 1: I think there was like six other people. I was
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable. I didn't I wasn't in touch with my
Speaker 1: feelings anyway at that age, and it just felt so awful,
Speaker 1: and it hadn't been normalized because the shows that I
Speaker 1: was watching at that age, those networks weren't talking about
Speaker 1: things like that on a regular basis. That just was
Speaker 1: not normal. But man, if that had become a normal
Speaker 1: part of my life at sixteen seventeen when I came
Speaker 1: to Wilmington, if I had just looked for some alan
Speaker 1: on meetings to just jump into and maintain this sense
Speaker 1: of accountability and anonymity, but also being able to recognize
Speaker 1: there were plenty of other people in the room who
Speaker 1: feel just like me, because you feel so much less
Speaker 1: isolated when you're we get to know you weren't exactly
Speaker 1: You're just in a room full of strangers. I don't
Speaker 1: need to know everything about their life. We don't need
Speaker 1: to be best friends. But to hear two minutes of
Speaker 1: somebody's story about how they're struggling and how they're coping,
Speaker 1: how they're feeling today, if they're feeling great, if they're
Speaker 1: feeling terrible, it's like, oh my god, I am a
Speaker 1: part of the humanity. I'm part of the human experiences.
Speaker 1: It absolutely would have been life changing. You're right, I
Speaker 1: wish I had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do too. I mean I think about, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I tried to start doing therapy. I don't know,
Speaker 2: halfway through our third season and with our hours, I
Speaker 2: could never go like, there aren't there at this office
Speaker 2: that can work around a seventeen hour you know, a
Speaker 2: day schedule. Yeah, and I didn't know about alan On.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't know about any of those things then,
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I guess it's a really it's
Speaker 2: like it's kind of a long way around to get
Speaker 2: back to the point, but it's profound for us to
Speaker 2: watch now and like we're forty imagine what it would
Speaker 2: have been like then. I don't know. I almost wonder
Speaker 2: like if anyone is listening, I wonder if any of
Speaker 2: the fans of our show had an AHA moment watching
Speaker 2: this episode, like seeing a meeting and going, I think
Speaker 2: I need that, you know, the way.
Speaker 3: We have a union rep come to set like once, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be great if there was just an alan
Speaker 3: On rep ye who popped by and was like, Hey,
Speaker 3: there's so.
Speaker 1: Much addiction in Hollywood and in our like it's rampant
Speaker 1: all around. To have somebody specifically from alan On would
Speaker 1: have been great.
Speaker 3: And and for as rampant as addiction is, so is recovery.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 2: I love this wrong.
Speaker 3: And you know, there's a kind of as a large
Speaker 3: school thought that says, you know, the opposite of addiction
Speaker 3: isn't isn't abstinence or sobriety. The opposite of addiction is connection. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know. And there's this science experiment that was done
Speaker 3: and this guy he took one hundred rap or he
Speaker 3: took rats individually, right, and he had two like water
Speaker 3: things where like like sippers, and one of them had
Speaker 3: morphine in it, and individually, like I think ninety nine
Speaker 3: percent of the rats ended up overdosing. And I mean
Speaker 3: put them he tried to switch up, and he said,
Speaker 3: I wonder if I put them all in like a
Speaker 3: communal like a community sort of structure, so they're all
Speaker 3: together and still provide the same options, and the overdose
Speaker 3: drop to like zero one percent.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 3: And so it was just kind of it was the
Speaker 3: beginning of this conversation of you know, the opposite of
Speaker 3: addiction is community, and like, so what you were talking about, joy,
Speaker 3: It's like it's about connection, because that's the thing. It's
Speaker 3: so icolated. You know, and as soon as you hear
Speaker 3: your story coming out of someone else's mouth, it allows
Speaker 3: you to sort of take that weight off your chest
Speaker 3: of like, oh, I'm not alone, uniquely broken. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: struggle is actually calmon like I have teammates, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's when recovery becomes a team sport, you know,
Speaker 3: as opposed to I think a lot of people go
Speaker 3: into a thinking like I got I got to figure
Speaker 3: out this on my own. This is an in house job,
Speaker 3: which is a losing problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's harder for people to use it and
Speaker 1: weaponize your your issues against you if you realize that
Speaker 1: you're just one of many, that it's there's a normalcy
Speaker 1: to it that we're all just trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Also, I just I love the irony of your mom
Speaker 3: dropping you off. Granted I don't know anything about your family,
Speaker 3: but the irony of like a mom dropping her sixteen
Speaker 3: year old off at an alan On meeting, having no
Speaker 3: idea she's planting the seeds to a lot of her
Speaker 3: own stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, for sure, it's.
Speaker 3: Like, mom, this is gonna work, but not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, are you ready to talk about family
Speaker 2: structure and trauma because if not, don't open this direct.
Speaker 3: I wanted to bring up the first moment we see
Speaker 3: with you excuse me with brilliant You in Austin. Yes,
Speaker 3: on set, it was a really speaking of good teammates.
Speaker 3: You two are so it just infinitely likable and so
Speaker 3: great together. But I loved this moment right because I
Speaker 3: love a vulnerable guy give me all that all time, yes,
Speaker 3: And I love when he's like, hey, can I ask
Speaker 3: you a question? I can like only ask you and
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is this going to be about? And
Speaker 3: he just goes, am I doing a hand and man,
Speaker 3: that hit me in the heart. I was like, I
Speaker 3: believe that. I love that and that was just such
Speaker 3: good partnering. And then the way that Brooke responds to
Speaker 3: him is just so sweet and loving. But that was
Speaker 3: such a good peak behind the curtain of like where
Speaker 3: you guys were still at that I just thought was
Speaker 3: so great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was really fun to play this
Speaker 2: this kind of time. Obviously, it's you know, there's there's
Speaker 2: sort of sadness to disrupted relationship. And I thought a
Speaker 2: lot about watching you know, Brooke and Mouth and Hailey
Speaker 2: on the couch A trick because she's like, I just
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, maybe we just don't work. We've
Speaker 2: all been there right where you're like, God, I really
Speaker 2: love this person and like, I just don't know if
Speaker 2: it works. And I made a note in my notes
Speaker 2: where I was like, I love that Hailey, especially our
Speaker 2: friend you know, who's on camera, been married since she
Speaker 2: was sixteen. It's like, go get him, make it work.
Speaker 2: And I'm like that works for Niley, but like for
Speaker 2: most of us in the real world, like it doesn't
Speaker 2: work more often than it does. And yet what sort
Speaker 2: of hit me as being so sweet?
Speaker 5: And I laughed.
Speaker 2: I was like, I really love that everyone's encouraging Brooke to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, put the walls down and be vulnerable and
Speaker 2: lean in. What I see watching this is like the
Speaker 2: fun that Austin and I got to have together, and
Speaker 2: you know, now all these years later, like the friendship
Speaker 2: we've had since we were twenty three years old. And
Speaker 2: I like watching these two trying to figure it out
Speaker 2: because I see versions of who I was and who
Speaker 2: he was and who all of us were in that
Speaker 2: push and pull, and I kind of, you know, I oh,
Speaker 2: this is what I wrote in my notes. I was like,
Speaker 2: of course we give the rom comm answer of like,
Speaker 2: no matter what, figure it out, which like, lol, maybe
Speaker 2: rom coms for the reason everyone's in therapy. But I
Speaker 2: also I just love that we got to watch a
Speaker 2: struggle that wasn't related to some crazy dramatic event or
Speaker 2: an affair or a car accident or whatever, that it
Speaker 2: was really two people trying to figure out if they
Speaker 2: could be emotionally compatible, you know, could they feel safe together,
Speaker 2: could they learn to communicate better? Could they build a
Speaker 2: life together? And I like that it wasn't an easy answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like for Brooke there's been so much
Speaker 1: volatility and relationships, and there was with Julian because of
Speaker 1: this his savior complex issues and the situation with Alex.
Speaker 1: But I really really like seeing Brooke being willing to
Speaker 1: make space for somebody else's flaws like she had, you know,
Speaker 1: she's been that's the whole thing, choose me, pick me
Speaker 1: right for her that she does deserve that. But also,
Speaker 1: as you say, like there's a lot of gray in life,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just humanity and messiness that we
Speaker 1: try and sort through, and it's really cool. I'm still
Speaker 1: irritated with Julian I don't know why he keeps making
Speaker 1: bad Alex decisions like let me walk out of your room?
Speaker 1: Are you affing idiot? I just can't wrap my brain
Speaker 1: around it. But that's his that's his deal. Like, okay, okay, man,
Speaker 1: you're working through your stuff. Yeah, there's a softness, there's
Speaker 1: like a real this is a totally different side of
Speaker 1: book that we're seeing in a consistent way. This has
Speaker 1: been like four episodes now maybe five that you're really
Speaker 1: just softer.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. Yeah, and I like it, and I like
Speaker 2: I saw kind of a parallel obviously different you know,
Speaker 2: relationship stage and different issues, but in the same way
Speaker 2: that I really loved what Clay and Quinn weren't saying
Speaker 2: in the gallery, I really loved what Brooke and Julian
Speaker 2: weren't saying about the sweater. Johnny Norris did such a
Speaker 2: good job writing these scenes for us that we got
Speaker 2: to talk with so much subtext, and you know, Brooks
Speaker 2: telling him he's got to dress a little warmer on
Speaker 2: set and you know, it's your sweater anyway, and these things.
Speaker 2: But she's saying, I know you're tired and it's cold
Speaker 2: in here, and I'm worried about you and I love you,
Speaker 2: and he's telling her that, you know, she can always
Speaker 2: sit in his chair, and you know, he's saying like
Speaker 2: you're in the chair, like you're in my person, and
Speaker 2: they can't say it.
Speaker 1: And that's good writing. That's when you know the writer
Speaker 1: trust the actors they're writing there did They just write
Speaker 1: the words and they know that you know the subtext
Speaker 1: and they trust you to do it. Because if the
Speaker 1: scene was just about a chair in a sweater, everyone
Speaker 1: would be bored, exactly.
Speaker 3: But hold on. Speaking of the wardrobe, first of all,
Speaker 3: shout out to the actual, real life One Tree Hill wardrobe.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the big warehouse, our warehouse, listeners, that was
Speaker 1: our actual wardrobe warehouse.
Speaker 3: What I loved about that First my first thought was like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that was our actual wardrobe. And then
Speaker 3: my second thought was it's hilarious to me that a
Speaker 3: low budget indie with presumably about two actors in it
Speaker 3: had a warehouse of wardrobe that because just so you know,
Speaker 3: on an indie that size, you would have maybe one
Speaker 3: rack of wardrobe for like, yeah, all of the.
Speaker 2: You'd have half a trailer full of clothes, and we had.
Speaker 2: We had seven seasons worth plus like all the Dawson's
Speaker 2: Creek leftover totally plus any other show that had ever
Speaker 2: shot at screen, gems.
Speaker 1: In a where else movie Magic, It's gotta look big
Speaker 1: and bold. No, honestly, it was just cheaper than creating
Speaker 1: a set full of like a like a half a trailer,
Speaker 1: like a realistic movie set that would have looked so
Speaker 1: puny too. I think the audience would have been like, wait,
Speaker 1: why do they have like six clothes on a hanger?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hanging rack.
Speaker 3: And what you were saying about the going for it
Speaker 3: the one thing I like. You know, the show does
Speaker 3: a lot that thing where it's like on the act
Speaker 3: out of one scene, someone will be saying a line
Speaker 3: that then feeds into the act in of another scene.
Speaker 3: We sort of had a similar thing with the through
Speaker 3: line of people encouraging each other to go. And what
Speaker 3: I really liked about that was I'm a big believer
Speaker 3: in like I'll take regret over excuse me, I'll take
Speaker 3: failure over regret any day, like ten out of ten times,
Speaker 3: you know, And so I liked it. It was kind
Speaker 3: of this like who cares, like, go for it, shoot
Speaker 3: your shot mentality. So I really appreciated that I was
Speaker 3: surprised by some of the shots taken though.
Speaker 2: Same sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, I'm watching every Miss Lauren and
Speaker 3: Mouth scene for the past three episodes, and I've been
Speaker 3: saying this in the podcast, going did anyone feel like
Speaker 3: they were about to kiss? And then this episode I'm
Speaker 3: doing the same thing. I'm like, Gang, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: First of all, does she have no friends? She's just
Speaker 3: like become a best friend of Mouth?
Speaker 1: How does he not know that she's not talking to skills?
Speaker 1: How is that? First of all, he asks her to
Speaker 1: what pick up lunch? Okay, so she brings over lunch,
Speaker 1: so they're going to hang out and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Playing video games? Okay? So what
Speaker 1: was their plan? I don't know why. I wish I
Speaker 1: remembered how we tried to make sense out of this,
Speaker 1: because it didn't make sense to me even today.
Speaker 2: Well and it was so jarring that it took me
Speaker 2: out of it, and I was like, wait, was Antoine
Speaker 2: making a movie?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Where was Antoine? We sent him to la to like
Speaker 2: make you know, the sports coordinating thing happen, but like, really,
Speaker 2: where was he? And obviously Alison Munn is the greatest
Speaker 2: human alive, So like, duh, we wanted to never let
Speaker 2: her leave set. Yeah, but I was like, how are
Speaker 2: we not? Why isn't she hanging out with like Brooke
Speaker 2: and Haley All yeah, like her other friends. It's just
Speaker 2: weird because it's so fun to have her. But they
Speaker 2: do have great chemistry, and because we only see them
Speaker 2: together over the span of all these episodes, it gets
Speaker 2: to a point where as an audience member, you're like, well,
Speaker 2: are you trying to tell me they have more than
Speaker 2: friend chemistry because at this point it feels like you are, yeah,
Speaker 2: what's going on here? And it does feel confusing.
Speaker 3: Well, and we've never seen either of them, separately or
Speaker 3: together have one of those moments of like, oh, is
Speaker 3: this maybe more than just buds? So that's why it
Speaker 3: was so as an audience member, I'm watching it, going,
Speaker 3: this is strange. There's something not being addressed. I don't
Speaker 3: quite get. So that's why it was odd for me.
Speaker 3: When fast forward to the end of the episode, mouth
Speaker 3: speech isn't to Millie, it's to miss Lauren at her door. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just thought like, where why have I not seen him? Like,
Speaker 3: have you know a lingering smile at her or yes,
Speaker 3: any sort of like any sort of runway to get.
Speaker 1: You needed any the George and Elaine without Jerry episode,
Speaker 1: remember that, no, George and Elaine go out without Jerry.
Speaker 1: Jerry's like he can't go to the movie whatever, He's stuck,
Speaker 1: and they're both out like this is so awkward. We
Speaker 1: don't hang out with each other without Jerry. What do
Speaker 1: we do? But then you know they make friends by
Speaker 1: the end of the episode. Of course, well not of course,
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's what we needed. We needed this like
Speaker 1: moment of the two of them kind of being thrust
Speaker 1: into a situation together where they're like, oh, actually we
Speaker 1: do have a lot in common in spite of the
Speaker 1: fact that you're we never really hung out outside of skills,
Speaker 1: Like I kind of like you, let's hang out more exactly.
Speaker 2: It would have been so great if at any point
Speaker 2: they'd been like, I'm really glad I have you to
Speaker 2: talk to, but is it weird that I'm talking to
Speaker 2: about all this stuff since we've never really hung out before,
Speaker 2: and the other person could have been like, no, it's
Speaker 2: honestly such a relief to me.
Speaker 6: Like I you know, something, to acknowledge that it was
Speaker 6: weird would have I think brought the whole audience along better.
Speaker 1: I wonder if fans felt that too, Like, are we
Speaker 1: just feeling it because we are watching the episodes so
Speaker 1: quickly and back then it was all really stretched out.
Speaker 2: That might be part of it.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if the fans felt that way too,
Speaker 1: if they by the end of the episode they were like,
Speaker 1: oh what okay.
Speaker 2: So that's our second question. So first one obviously only
Speaker 2: if you feel comfortable sharing with us, and we would
Speaker 2: never reveal personal details anyway, but if if anyone was
Speaker 2: like whoa when they saw a meeting and they remember
Speaker 2: it being impactful back then, we'd love to know. And
Speaker 2: question number two, were you all completely confused by Mouth
Speaker 2: and miss Lauren also or are we nuts the people?
Speaker 2: The people want to know who girlies and the boy
Speaker 2: want to know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Because also am.
Speaker 4: I am I not remembering correctly that there's like Mouth
Speaker 4: has a moment of saying it's complicated with Millie, like
Speaker 4: he's confiding to someone, right, because we see the opposite
Speaker 4: side of it with Milli and Owen, where.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, no, Mouth has a moment of saying
Speaker 3: something the effect of, you know, like we're off or
Speaker 3: like we're just misfire something right, and then Milly has
Speaker 3: the same moment. So it was just it felt out
Speaker 3: of left field, like the like I feel like the
Speaker 3: audience member understood it more than the case ter did.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's interesting to me because I remember feeling
Speaker 2: this kind of like, ah, this is when you were
Speaker 2: going to get the landscape or joy. Rob and I
Speaker 2: were talking about there's that great scene where you come
Speaker 2: in and sit with Brooke and Mouth on the couch
Speaker 2: and it's like, tell me that, you know, spill the tea,
Speaker 2: let's talk all the things. And it made me go,
Speaker 2: wait a second, why haven't we seen Mouth talking to
Speaker 2: Brook about Milly or Brook and Millie hanging out at all,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, it's weird to me that the
Speaker 2: people aren't leaning on each other a little more, but
Speaker 2: I guess that's what happens when you have so many
Speaker 2: actors on a shan twenty two episodes.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably part of the casualty of so
Speaker 1: many actors, so many storylines and twenty two episodes. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't, as I understand it, a terribly happy writer's room,
Speaker 1: and so I think there was probably just ah no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I would imagine there's just some things that there
Speaker 1: wasn't a real symbiosis happening, not a lot of Uh,
Speaker 1: there wasn't really a groove for people to get into
Speaker 1: with some of these storylines, and so they couldn't plan
Speaker 1: ahead too far, I think, and then you never know
Speaker 1: if an actor is going to be available or not,
Speaker 1: and so then you have to pivot if they're not.
Speaker 1: I think there was just a lot on the fly,
Speaker 1: and then that those are the kinds of things that happened.
Speaker 1: Suddenly they've got to speed up a storyline that makes
Speaker 1: no sense that they've laid no groundwork for, and we've
Speaker 1: seen this a lot before.
Speaker 3: I also feel like there might be some truth to
Speaker 3: us simply not wanting to lose Alison. Yeah, oh yes,
Speaker 3: she's so great, because this story does just kind of
Speaker 3: feel weird. It sort of just feels a bit like
Speaker 3: not a placeholder, but like, all right, what can we do?
Speaker 3: You know? It's yes, yes, yes, and she's so darn
Speaker 3: good in it. That makes sense why you'd want to
Speaker 3: keep her because you don't want to lose her, But
Speaker 3: it's sort of like, yeah, I don't know why Yeah,
Speaker 3: it feels like they there was a question mark over
Speaker 3: everyone's schedules and they just sort of went, let's just
Speaker 3: find something for Alison to make sure that we don't
Speaker 3: lose her to a different show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense because she was super in demand too.
Speaker 1: I mean that girl book's pilots, like I book plane tickets,
Speaker 1: I mean on and on.
Speaker 3: Nice Best Armstrong.
Speaker 1: Yes, can we talk about Best Armstrong is.
Speaker 3: The real deal man. For those who don't know, Bess
Speaker 3: Armstrong played Lydia and just she's so good. She's so
Speaker 3: so good and Joey, you have so many great scenes
Speaker 3: with her. Thanks and the way that you shot it
Speaker 3: and it was written. I just loved it, you know,
Speaker 3: cause we are we're a soap, you know, like we
Speaker 3: tend to like swing for the fences and high highs
Speaker 3: and low lows, and this just felt like a very grounded,
Speaker 3: honest portrayal of a family, like grieving and adapting in
Speaker 3: real time. Yeah, and she's just so was it tough
Speaker 3: doing You had a great scene it was just the
Speaker 3: two of you.
Speaker 2: On the couch.
Speaker 3: By the way, Joy, you also had a scene where
Speaker 3: you're on the couch with your shoes on and you're
Speaker 3: sitting on your feet, explain yourself. Oh and before we
Speaker 3: get into like the really important stuff, did you also
Speaker 3: notice in the scene with Alex and Alex after the
Speaker 3: one night stand, clearly, listeners go back and watch this,
Speaker 3: every pillow on that bed is either a throw pillow
Speaker 3: or a couch pillow. Set deck clearly had no normal pillows,
Speaker 3: and they were like, no one's gonna be looking at that.
Speaker 3: Go back and look at every pillow on the bed
Speaker 3: is the ugliest hotel room couch pillow you've et hed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not like the two rear pillows that are
Speaker 2: for sleeping. It's just the sleep.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I missed that. I'm such a detail
Speaker 1: oriented person. That's really funny. I must have been. I
Speaker 1: was so tied up with getting that shot in particular.
Speaker 1: I remember we were we were running out of time,
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of things. I was like,
Speaker 1: I really wanted to be a time efficient director because
Speaker 1: I wanted them to keep bringing me back. So there
Speaker 1: were scenes I was like, what can we do in
Speaker 1: one or two shots? And that was one of the
Speaker 1: scenes that it was like, I think it was a
Speaker 1: three shot scene, but the close ups on the two
Speaker 1: of them, we probably did in two takes and the
Speaker 1: rest of it was on one camera. And that, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a there was a lot of maneuvering around
Speaker 1: for that. So I'm sure I didn't notice the pillows,
Speaker 1: but dang it, I wish I had pillows.
Speaker 2: I also just love that as someone who lived in
Speaker 2: New York for as long as you did, like this
Speaker 2: is how you realize we walked to set in like
Speaker 2: ugs or slippers, and then you put on your wardrobe
Speaker 2: heels on set because none, none of us would ever
Speaker 2: wear our outside shoes on a furnature to the house,
Speaker 2: let alone onto the furniture or never appalling.
Speaker 1: No, but remember we had that fit. Maybe you weren't here.
Speaker 1: So if there was a fan who wrote in a
Speaker 1: question was asking us, I noticed that you guys put
Speaker 1: your shoes on. You wear your shoes on the couch,
Speaker 1: or you walk on the rug or whatever with your shoes.
Speaker 1: And I think it was that we don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of time, Like you can't just be taking your
Speaker 1: shoes on and off for every moment I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Plus people are creatd.
Speaker 2: Because during filming it's a huge height differential. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and we were like one of the only shows in history,
Speaker 2: in the history of Hollywood with tall boys. You had
Speaker 2: to wear high heels to act opposite teams. I had
Speaker 2: to wear high heels to act opposite Austin. They weren't
Speaker 2: going to like build us step blocks to get into
Speaker 2: close ups where they could see us over the boy's shoulders,
Speaker 2: so we wore stilettos every day. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I think I imagined that those sets were like I've never
Speaker 1: had a one of those houses that you walk into
Speaker 1: and everything's always in its place all the time. I
Speaker 1: have friends who, every time I go to their house,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you How do you do this?
Speaker 1: Because I'm definitely messy. So I think I imagine Nathan and
Speaker 1: Haley's house being one of the super pristine homes that like,
Speaker 1: there's just fairies that come and clean up after you
Speaker 1: if you put your shoes on the couch.
Speaker 2: Yes, called set. By the way, this I didn't know
Speaker 2: what it was until you know, later in life, obviously
Speaker 2: because we both got our diagnoses later in life. But
Speaker 2: in the world of learning about being neurodivergent, and when
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, do you have little piles everywhere,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, no, we do. And you're like, no,
Speaker 2: what my little piles or my organizing system. And now
Speaker 2: like my partner affectionately will be like, are you stressed
Speaker 2: the little squirrel? Look at all your little piles and
Speaker 2: acorns around the house and I'm like, m.
Speaker 1: Hmm, just saving up for winter. But you know where
Speaker 1: everything is in everybody.
Speaker 2: You know where everything is. And I didn't know how
Speaker 2: weird that was to people whose brains aren't wired like ours. Yeah,
Speaker 2: until people were like, isn't this anxiety inducing? And I
Speaker 2: was like, that is like spatial xanax for me.
Speaker 3: What do you mean this is for anxiety by exactly?
Speaker 2: I was like, this is actually called a coping mechanism.
Speaker 3: Yes, high functioning anxiety has many appearances.
Speaker 1: This certainly does well. Bess Armstrong was I was. She
Speaker 1: was so lovely and open and made directing her really easy.
Speaker 1: She's such a mom, she's such an encourager and really
Speaker 1: you know she had ideas, but she it's interesting as
Speaker 1: an older woman to be directed, Like, if I had
Speaker 1: a twenty three year old directing me right now, I
Speaker 1: hope that I would treat her the way best treated me,
Speaker 1: Like she really it's it's interesting to listen to the
Speaker 1: leadership of someone who's younger than you and really trust
Speaker 1: that they know what they're doing. And especially as an actor,
Speaker 1: you know, you want to put your best foot forward.
Speaker 1: You want to be represented in the best way, and
Speaker 1: to trust that somebody knows what they're doing and they're
Speaker 1: not going to make you look like a fool. She
Speaker 1: really trusted me, and it meant so much to me.
Speaker 1: We had a great chemistry, We had an ease in
Speaker 1: our way with each other in the scenes, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it was easy. We just sort of dropped in and
Speaker 1: said the lines, and I don't think we did too
Speaker 1: many takes. It was just like, just say what's on
Speaker 1: the page. It's what you were talking about at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode. Rob, Like, just it's great writing.
Speaker 1: Let good actors do what they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys brought it. That scene was very, very
Speaker 3: touching and just honest. I love that. The scene with Jamie,
Speaker 3: Her and Jamie was also very sweet. I was sitting
Speaker 3: in there noting, like, gosh, this is a great scene.
Speaker 3: And then it ends in a funny way though it
Speaker 3: takes a hot it's Lydia and Jamie in his room,
Speaker 3: I think, and they're looking at pictures. I think there's
Speaker 3: an actual picture of you from childhood. I believe think
Speaker 3: it's an actual, real life to a picture. And then
Speaker 3: yet it takes a real hard left when she's like, ps,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be dead by Christmas. I shouldn't say
Speaker 3: it that way. I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but she basically
Speaker 3: was like, I love celebrating Christmas with you, Unfortunately I'm
Speaker 3: not going to be here this year.
Speaker 1: The look on his face, the look on his face.
Speaker 2: I let out an audible oof yeah, and I heard
Speaker 2: myself and then made myself laugh, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this this really. Yeah, she's not she's not wearing any gloves.
Speaker 2: She's just going to say the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really, it's so hit. The look on his face,
Speaker 1: he was like so confused. And then this is actually
Speaker 1: kind of amazing that a kid this young was capable
Speaker 1: of making that transition, because he was looking confused, and
Speaker 1: then it hit him and he realized like, whoa, you're
Speaker 1: saying you're going to be dead, But he didn't overact.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of hard for a kid to
Speaker 1: make that big, weighty transition and not overact great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really just let it happen. And you know
Speaker 2: what I loved in a way is that the heaviness
Speaker 2: of that scene that we all went whoa. It gave
Speaker 2: such an honest motivation to your scene with her. And
Speaker 2: I loved that she said you're angry. She said either
Speaker 2: like you're angry or you're mad, and you were like,
Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm upset it And it let you guys
Speaker 2: have a conversation that, sadly we know is so universal
Speaker 2: for so many people who experience illness in their family.
Speaker 2: And you were like wanting to fix it and wanting
Speaker 2: a second opinion and wanting the thing and wanting Nathan's
Speaker 2: doctors to look. And she got to be like, you're
Speaker 2: not listening to me. I want to enjoy the time
Speaker 2: I have left.
Speaker 4: I know what.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: So hard.
Speaker 2: And I felt so much for both of you because
Speaker 2: I know that I would do exactly what Hailey was doing,
Speaker 2: and that if I were in Lydia's position, I would
Speaker 2: say exactly what Lydia was saying to Haleyeh. And it
Speaker 2: was I just thought like, Wow, I bet so many
Speaker 2: people feel really seen by this.
Speaker 1: The scene with her and James too, I really love
Speaker 1: Oh that broke my heart.
Speaker 2: I thanked her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so simple, it was exactly so simple, right, like
Speaker 3: just let the words do the talking. It was so good.
Speaker 3: But but going back the thing with Jamie, that the
Speaker 3: reason why I bumped on it is because so often
Speaker 3: people get diagnosed, or not even diagnose, they get given
Speaker 3: sort of you have this many months to live, like
Speaker 3: everyone in their family has a story of like the
Speaker 3: grandma who was told she had six months to live
Speaker 3: and she lived for fifteen years. Yeah, so I just
Speaker 3: felt like it was a little premature to tell the
Speaker 3: nine year old I'm for sure gonna be dead as
Speaker 3: disco by Christmas. And it's like, okay, I know your
Speaker 3: doctor said that, but like there's a shot, there's a shot,
Speaker 3: there's a world in which you're not you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: Can we just can we give it a second before
Speaker 2: we tell the show.
Speaker 1: We've only got two more episodes with me, honey, so
Speaker 1: please get yourself ready.
Speaker 3: There it is, there, it is.
Speaker 2: It's like, Rob, I wish you'd been there to be like,
Speaker 2: it's not even in double digits.
Speaker 3: I know, come on, Kitty gloves it best just a
Speaker 3: little oh guys.
Speaker 1: Fun the other look on Jackson's face too, when he
Speaker 1: came in and said, I don't want Grandma to die.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: Also, really good, really good performance, so simple. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was impressed with him in this episode.
Speaker 2: He was really great. And you know what I loved too.
Speaker 2: They really gave everybody a lot, a lot of these
Speaker 2: moments I'm realizing where they got to say a lot
Speaker 2: in not so many words. And you saw that in
Speaker 2: a lot of Jackson's performances, which obviously are a big
Speaker 2: deal for a kid his age at the time to
Speaker 2: be able to pull off. And in the same way
Speaker 2: that I felt like Nathan was so sto in the
Speaker 2: best way with Lydia, you see him do it with Jamie.
Speaker 2: It's like they really gave James such simple things to say,
Speaker 2: and James showed up in exactly that incredibly supportive this
Speaker 2: is not my moment to lead, it's my moment to
Speaker 2: hold you up from behind kind of energy. And even
Speaker 2: when he finds Jackson cleaning out his toys, it was
Speaker 2: such an interesting choice you guys made. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was in the script or it was something
Speaker 2: you decided on, but to have a little boy cleaning
Speaker 2: out his toys because he's about to not be such
Speaker 2: a little boy anymore. And instead of saying, hey, you know, buddy,
Speaker 2: we really got to talk about this or tell me
Speaker 2: how you're feeling. Don't cover it up, James, you could
Speaker 2: see him realize what was going on, and he just said,
Speaker 2: I'm here if you need me. Yeah, And it was
Speaker 2: so nice, you know, met by a kid who's behaving
Speaker 2: in a and you know, an emotional kind of salty
Speaker 2: way to be like whenever you've done whatever you're doing,
Speaker 2: I'm here for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's really nice good parenting.
Speaker 3: And also how relatable, like, oh, you're having big feelings,
Speaker 3: so you're busying yourself with a household activity.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah we all do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I stress clean, I sad clean, I big
Speaker 3: feeling clean all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh yeah. I think that was something we decided
Speaker 1: to do. I wonder if I still have the script,
Speaker 1: I'd like to go look, because yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: there was a lot of just sitting in a room together,
Speaker 1: Like Jamie's sitting on his bed and we come in
Speaker 1: and sit down next to him and have a talk.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what I do I busy myself.
Speaker 1: If I don't want to deal with something, I just
Speaker 1: clean or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interesting in my cabinet. Yes, yeah, I'm like
Speaker 2: everything in here needs I.
Speaker 3: Have a question. Have we met Josh before the lead actor?
Speaker 3: And now it felt odd that we didn't. We were
Speaker 3: just supposed to get who this guy was, and.
Speaker 1: He had been in a group setting on the set
Speaker 1: the episode before. Oh, he was there in sort of
Speaker 1: the in the cast like people standing around set, so
Speaker 1: we saw him, but it was very brief and probably
Speaker 1: not memorable enough for it. It wasn't for the intro.
Speaker 2: And what I loved was the choice that you guys
Speaker 2: made to shoot him coming in in slow motion, handing
Speaker 2: things off, being handed other things. It was so clear like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is the douchey yng star guy.
Speaker 1: Well that's why, because we didn't have any history with him.
Speaker 1: I was like, the audience is gonna have no idea
Speaker 1: who this guy is if he just walks up to
Speaker 1: the craft service table. I need to like introduce him.
Speaker 1: People need to understand who he is and what his
Speaker 1: personality is ahead of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was almost a way of seeing how he saw himself. Yes,
Speaker 3: which was a great like, Okay, I think I know
Speaker 3: who you are.
Speaker 2: You know, oh, we know you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this didn't happen in real life, but this for
Speaker 3: sure happened in your head.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was Paul Teal And he played Noah in my
Speaker 1: version of the Notebook. When we did the workshop of
Speaker 1: the Notebook in Wilmington, he was our Noah and he
Speaker 1: was so good and so he was already there and
Speaker 1: around a lot. And I think the Vin Cannons when
Speaker 1: they knew they had this part coming up, they had
Speaker 1: seen him in my show and called him into audition.
Speaker 1: So it was really fun to see him actually on
Speaker 1: screen too. But he totally has that like he kind
Speaker 1: of reminded me of Ryan Phillippy a little bit and
Speaker 1: had this like real he just knew how to play
Speaker 1: douche real well. It worked for me.
Speaker 3: Was there ever, I just I was shocked on our
Speaker 3: show when we had a legitimate opportunity to show more
Speaker 3: people in their underwear that we didn't take it. Was
Speaker 3: there ever a scene of shooting a love scene in
Speaker 3: the movie. No, because like, we shoehorn as much gratuitous
Speaker 3: flesh to the show as we can, and here we
Speaker 3: had a big sex scene being shot between Alex and
Speaker 3: Josh and you ready see it and I thought, you're right, huh.
Speaker 3: And then it's like, but the episode went, Okay, we
Speaker 3: made a mistake. Here's India and Lauder.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that was a rough one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me about you having because as I watched,
Speaker 3: I thought, I'm curious how Joy and India talked through
Speaker 3: this and did this.
Speaker 1: We had a big disagreement about this. Actually, India and I.
Speaker 1: I I love her by the way, like I hang
Speaker 1: out with her mom when I go to London. India
Speaker 1: is amazing. But that day it was you know, she
Speaker 1: she was pretty new. She and I had worked together.
Speaker 1: I think we had one or two scenes together, and
Speaker 1: then she started working mostly with grubs and I had envision.
Speaker 1: I was like, let's give her a real acting moment
Speaker 1: where she's she's been doing so much posturing as Miranda,
Speaker 1: and I want to give her this moment where she
Speaker 1: comes out and it turns out all of her posturing,
Speaker 1: she just has like normal granny panties and like a
Speaker 1: really uninteresting bra, and she comes out and she's just
Speaker 1: still super confident. And India was adamantly against this, and
Speaker 1: we kept kind of going back and forth between wardrobe,
Speaker 1: like no, I really want this. Is this really I
Speaker 1: think will feel really great for the character, And then
Speaker 1: it would come back to me India is really uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with that. She doesn't want to do it. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, let me. It was going back
Speaker 1: and forth too much. I just went back went over
Speaker 1: to her trailer and I was like, hey, let's it's
Speaker 1: better if we talk face to face what's going on.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much of what the women
Speaker 1: on set experience with our boss carried into India's journey
Speaker 1: as well. I haven't talked with her much about it,
Speaker 1: but she was so.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: She was so nervous about the possibility of having to
Speaker 1: really come to set in a real set of underwear,
Speaker 1: and she was like, if I if I could come
Speaker 1: to set in something that feels more like a costume,
Speaker 1: I can settle into this more. It still feels like
Speaker 1: it works for the character, and I just please, like,
Speaker 1: woman to woman, this is what really feels more comfortable
Speaker 1: to me. And that was that's it. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: it just takes a face to face conversation. It was like, done,
Speaker 1: you got it, That's what we'll do. That's fine, and
Speaker 1: it worked. It worked great. Like she she came out,
Speaker 1: she was boss, she looked amazing, she was she committed
Speaker 1: to it. But why why did we need India in
Speaker 1: her underwear in this episode? It's so unnecessary And you're right, Rob,
Speaker 1: If it belonged anywhere, it would have been in a
Speaker 1: comedic setting of Alex and this Josh character trying to
Speaker 1: figure out their love scene, and instead we've got what like,
Speaker 1: We've got Miranda walking around trying to prove vulnerability, and
Speaker 1: it was just so awkward.
Speaker 3: We even have a scene of Julian referencing how the
Speaker 3: sex scene went exactly and a funny thing happened, so
Speaker 3: it's like, wait, what you know.
Speaker 2: What's really interesting about that is the Julian reference and
Speaker 2: like making it funny, I know is referential to something
Speaker 2: that happened on our set that really wasn't funny, and
Speaker 2: it really irked me. I was like, God, I hate
Speaker 2: that we're making jokes about this and watching it's so
Speaker 2: interesting to hear that I didn't. I didn't remember you
Speaker 2: and India's conversation in like the larger context I wrote
Speaker 2: in my notes, I remembered how uncomfortable she was, and
Speaker 2: how nervous she was and what the pressure was and
Speaker 2: what was written into the script for her to be wearing,
Speaker 2: and you know how everyone was like, what do we
Speaker 2: do about the expectation from the boss and whatever whatever?
Speaker 2: And when I watched her walk out watching this episode,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god. I remembered her being
Speaker 2: like the boss gets what's being demanded. And also, if
Speaker 2: I'm wearing these black stockings, I'm almost wearing pants, yes,
Speaker 2: And how we be less naked yes. And what I
Speaker 2: loved seeing her do it now from this vantage point
Speaker 2: is I got to see it all in greater context
Speaker 2: because obviously at the time we were all just like, god,
Speaker 2: this is so infuriating, terrible. And she plays so much
Speaker 2: of her stuff with Grubs in this episode, with like
Speaker 2: a very masculine swagger, even the way she grabs his
Speaker 2: beard and he thinks she's being cute, and then she
Speaker 2: disses it, like all these things and she's I mean,
Speaker 2: she went clodstonped down there in that outfit and was like,
Speaker 2: I'm hot, what do you want from me? And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. She really took this thing
Speaker 2: that made her uncomfortable and made it so bossed, powerful
Speaker 2: and ironically walked down in lingerie but managed to have
Speaker 2: so much of her body cover yep, And I was like,
Speaker 2: I want to give India a high five today. So smart,
Speaker 2: you guys crushed it. I'm so glad she had you
Speaker 2: as a director for that.
Speaker 1: She's so smart.
Speaker 2: It was just great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she saw something that I couldn't see and when
Speaker 1: she explained it to me, it made total sense. And
Speaker 1: it just goes to show what a brilliant business woman
Speaker 1: she is too. Guys, if you aren't following India de Beaufort,
Speaker 1: you really should go follow her on Instagram. She's just
Speaker 1: really fun to watch anyway. It's so a talented singer
Speaker 1: and stylist and like really interesting.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say her styling video now, I
Speaker 2: just didn't want anytime I have to go on a trip,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what should I wear? I need to go
Speaker 2: see why smart pop.
Speaker 1: A bag of popcorn and just sit and watch those
Speaker 1: like one after it was so fun.
Speaker 2: I need her to have a show.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, she's awesome. So that was that went better
Speaker 1: than it would have if I had been on my own.
Speaker 1: So good on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys did such a good job. I'm so
Speaker 2: glad that for her, in particular with that storyline, she
Speaker 2: had you as a director, Like, it was so important
Speaker 2: for you to direct the you know, Haley and Quinn
Speaker 2: and Taylor storyline with Lydia. Yeah, and I think it
Speaker 2: was also really important for you you to be, you know,
Speaker 2: one of us directing, one of us going through what
Speaker 2: we went through with our boss. I think that was
Speaker 2: really banks special.
Speaker 3: When she walks out and the hardcore rock and roll
Speaker 3: guitar riff came on, I had I just I face palmed,
Speaker 3: like talk about hat on a hat, you know. It
Speaker 3: was like I just laughed, going, oh yeah, totally Joy
Speaker 3: picked out the heavy duty guitar riff from when the
Speaker 3: girl was like get out of here, man.
Speaker 1: You know what, though in some ways that that might
Speaker 1: have been Lindsay Wilfington additionally protecting India and making it
Speaker 1: even more campy.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, now that I hear what you're saying about
Speaker 3: it's like a costume she's wearing. You're a hundred percent right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it completely makes sense. But when it first happened in
Speaker 3: the moment, I was like, as if we need to
Speaker 3: like highlight this anymore. It's like yea, yeah, Okay, audience,
Speaker 3: here's what this is.
Speaker 1: Can we also just address the red hair dye that
Speaker 1: was must have been in the water in Wilmington, because
Speaker 1: first of all, so if you were the only one
Speaker 1: without this red in your hair, somehow you manage to
Speaker 1: get your hair like an ashy brown.
Speaker 2: Finally, but that's part of why we dyed my hair
Speaker 2: so dark, because everyone's hair was running so red, like
Speaker 2: even Middle East for you guys, yes, the last you
Speaker 2: guys to play siblings. They were like, it works, but
Speaker 2: they started overdying my hair.
Speaker 1: I was born. This was like, we're an aerial little
Speaker 1: Mermaid territory. We're in, like the when you go to
Speaker 1: emoji Mermaid on your phone where it's like purple red, Like,
Speaker 1: this is the territory we're in. For Haley, I don't
Speaker 1: really don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: Part of that is also, though, the color timing, because
Speaker 2: remember they call timed our show so warm. I mean
Speaker 2: it changed the color of people's eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: They turned the warm saturation up so much on our
Speaker 2: show that I promise you your hair was red, but
Speaker 2: it didn't look like Ariel in person.
Speaker 1: I promise there were a couple of shots. I was like,
Speaker 1: did they just dump an entire bottle of Hennah in
Speaker 1: my hair? And like like iodie io, iodyned one hundred
Speaker 1: percent that's the color.
Speaker 3: Right before we wrap up, I gotta give a shout
Speaker 3: out to how funny the scene was with uh Brooke
Speaker 3: and Victoria when she's talking about how I've taken a lover.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's my honorable mention.
Speaker 3: All of that was great. Then Brooke and Julian, when
Speaker 3: Brooke tells Julian about it and he's like, why are
Speaker 3: you telling me this? And Brooks like, because I had
Speaker 3: to endure it, so you have to endure it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can be traumatized together.
Speaker 3: We can be traumatized together? Is so good? And then
Speaker 3: are we supposed to gather that Paul stood up Victoria
Speaker 3: at the end. Is that why she's sitting at a
Speaker 3: table by herself?
Speaker 1: I guess so that was a little vague too.
Speaker 2: I don't quite remember that.
Speaker 3: And I'm also assuming that here's the question I had.
Speaker 3: So of course, when Julian's like, I'll walk you to
Speaker 3: your room, I'm like, dude, can you know, just one time,
Speaker 3: can you learn a lesson? Can you adapt? Please? But
Speaker 3: and then when Brooke walks in, obviously Alex is laying
Speaker 3: in bed naked. I think I know where the trick
Speaker 3: is is that I'm guessing next episode we're going to
Speaker 3: find out that he switched rooms with her because she
Speaker 3: wants her to get sleep exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, listeners, we have a listener question from Chelsea.
Speaker 1: Nathan says to Lydia, you were responsible for raising the
Speaker 1: woman that changed my entire world. My question is, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is loaded. Who do you think had the most
Speaker 1: impact on your life? Wow? Thanks Chelsea.
Speaker 2: That's a big question, big one.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could give that to one particular person,
Speaker 1: like the best positive impact on your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many, there's like so many versions of that.
Speaker 2: And I also would like to think, because we're not
Speaker 2: all in our mid eighties, we don't know the final
Speaker 2: answer to.
Speaker 1: My question like that too, you know, Yeah, so many,
Speaker 1: there's so many different mentors, so many people. There's people
Speaker 1: I haven't even met that have made a huge impact
Speaker 1: on my life. There's people, I mean, our parents always
Speaker 1: make a huge impact. I don't know, don't I honestly
Speaker 1: don't know if I have an answer for this.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have an MVP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just too many.
Speaker 3: Listen. It genuinely took a village to get this guy.
Speaker 3: Wory is so yeah man, Team sport Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that. Team Sport. Yeah, let's spin a wheel.
Speaker 3: Friends scrolling most likely to plan their high school reunions?
Speaker 1: Not it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Hillary? Yeah, yeah, sure, none of us. Definitely, not
Speaker 2: any of the three of us, but her.
Speaker 1: Yes, by that.
Speaker 3: How about a character on the show.
Speaker 2: Miss Lauren, probably, don't you think?
Speaker 3: And I was going to say pre her struggle Millie?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lauren and Millie really could have been great friends.
Speaker 1: I could see the two of them cheaming up to
Speaker 1: plan a high school reunion.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: I also love that we read the question and all
Speaker 2: three of us were like, not it, and then we
Speaker 2: thought about our characters. We were like, not it. I
Speaker 2: love us, all right, Cuties. Next week we will be
Speaker 2: in season seven, episode eighteen, Last Day of our Acquaintance.
Speaker 2: I just remembered what the episode's about, and I got
Speaker 2: so sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Clay dies his hair.
Speaker 5: Wait, we didn't talk about Clay and Katie. Hold on,
Speaker 5: two seconds. We gotta spend like, give me ninety seconds
Speaker 5: on Clay and Katie Ky, this is crazy. Did you
Speaker 5: know this was coming?
Speaker 1: I mean when you read the script, were you like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Come on? I remember reading this and going, oh, I
Speaker 3: wonder who they're gonna get, Like that's a tricky cast,
Speaker 3: like a I wonder who they're gonna get. And they're like,
Speaker 3: good news, we got a man to shool like for
Speaker 3: the same we're gonna just soap opera this, and I
Speaker 3: just they're like, don't worry, we have a fix. And
Speaker 3: apparently the fix was dyeing her hair like two shades different.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, but what about her same face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because that last shot of Clay when
Speaker 3: it's just that look of like what I think was
Speaker 3: just me in real life, going wait what.
Speaker 1: Also, he walks up to her while she This is
Speaker 1: my mistake obviously as a director, but you walk up
Speaker 1: to her while she's playing tennis, like excuse me, in
Speaker 1: the middle of a tennis match, like she's hitting balls
Speaker 1: and turns around like.
Speaker 3: Maybe Clay is just in such shock that he loses
Speaker 3: all sort of like the corn propriety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the beginning of the fugue state.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm dready. Okay, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: It's all gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Gang.
Speaker 3: Wow right, Yes, this was a This was an interesting
Speaker 3: turn of events that I'm sure nothing crazy will come
Speaker 3: of it, you know.
Speaker 1: No, Okay, obsessed, Thanks for joining us, Gang, Thanks, y hey,
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