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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. It's self evaluation time, Garrett. Okay,

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Speaker 1: every year we make our season predictions, and because we're

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Speaker 1: two outstanding journalists, we hold ourselves accountable. Right, It's all

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Speaker 1: about accountability around here. That's what everyone's going through. You know,

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Speaker 1: every team that's not in the super Bowl, that's not

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Speaker 1: the conference championship is taking a hard look at themselves

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Speaker 1: and saying, what do we need to do to get better?

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Speaker 1: And we are doing the same and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: that we can do to get better. Just as a

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Speaker 1: preview here, we have a long way to go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know the Ravens talk about how they're not they

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Speaker 1: feel like they're not that far off from building a champion.

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Speaker 1: We're pretty far off from being champions. I'll just let

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Speaker 1: you know right now. Okay, you know, I think and yeah,

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Speaker 1: our predictions, I think, um, and we'll get into all

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Speaker 1: of this, but I guess at a big picture level,

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Speaker 1: to start off the conversation, this season played out in

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Speaker 1: a lot of weird ways, and I think, honestly, and

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Speaker 1: now I'm setting the stage here to make the excuse right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, but excuse excuse self but but but it is,

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Speaker 1: it really did play out in a lot of weird ways.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Lamarmist the end of the season, so you

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Speaker 1: know that threw off any kind of stat predictions for him,

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Speaker 1: I think, But you look at the receiving corps. Bateman's

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Speaker 1: injury was monumental, De DuVernay's injury was significant, and then

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Speaker 1: the running backs, like it was going to take a

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Speaker 1: little while. But like you don't necessarily assume that, like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: JK is going to get a scope in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the season or those are all just like we

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Speaker 1: were making. You're kind of guessing as to when these

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Speaker 1: guys get back and at what level they are once

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Speaker 1: they do return. You can never predict injuries. We were

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Speaker 1: predicting kind of we had to make guesses on these

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Speaker 1: guys that were returning from the previous year's injuries and

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Speaker 1: what level they would be at, and and you know,

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Speaker 1: whether they be eased into action when they would come back.

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Speaker 1: You know, all those things we were factoring in. But

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Speaker 1: then season injuries that happened during the season you can

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Speaker 1: never predict. Yeah, so that of course throws things off,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I try. I still I'm not making

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Speaker 1: any excuses. So you know, I still calculated those guys

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Speaker 1: what they were on paceful were before their injuries to

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Speaker 1: see if we were on the right scent, Were we

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Speaker 1: on track or were we not way off? All right,

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Speaker 1: So let's start with the offense. And Lamar was obviously

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Speaker 1: somebody that we were you know, talking a lot about

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Speaker 1: and what his year would look like. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we predicted a big year for Lamar. Yeah right, And obviously,

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Speaker 1: as we talked about, the injury impacted that. So I

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Speaker 1: went with over four thousand passing yards, okay, you went

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Speaker 1: with under four thousand passing yards. You said thirty six

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Speaker 1: hundred okay, You called for a career high, said he'd

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Speaker 1: have a career high four hundred and twenty passing attempts.

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Speaker 1: He was below that pace okay through twelve games. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he was on pace before his injury. Now this is

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Speaker 1: including a partial Broncos game, so we didn't get a

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Speaker 1: full twelve games there. He was on pace for three thousand,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy six passing yards, so it looked

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Speaker 1: like he was going to come under four thousand. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's a win for me. Well, you were closer,

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Speaker 1: you were you were closer under four thousand. It's like

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Speaker 1: it's like price's right, rules, right, you know, like it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter how far off you were under I went over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you win though. Yeah, it's correct, that's correct. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I think honestly, any sort of like projection on Lamar

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Speaker 1: it's just left unknown. Like I think I do think

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Speaker 1: season the way that he did, like it just there's

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Speaker 1: not It just didn't get the full evaluation of him

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Speaker 1: this year. I also think that the Bateman injury, like

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Speaker 1: you said, was monumental. I think if Bateman hadn't gone

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Speaker 1: down as early as he did, I mean, he first

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Speaker 1: week four, right, and then he was kind of hobbling

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Speaker 1: the surgery. Yeah. Right, if that hadn't happened, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you take the first three games and look at

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Speaker 1: Lamar's numbers. I didn't do this before coming up starting

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Speaker 1: this spot, but like he could have gone over four

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Speaker 1: thousand yards with those numbers projected, right, you just you

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Speaker 1: just picked up pretty sure. Now I'm the winner. You

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Speaker 1: just picked the game. You know, if you take that

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Speaker 1: he's sure on the winner. I'm just saying, like the

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Speaker 1: Bateman injury had a big ripple effect on this offense,

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Speaker 1: and I think then ultimately, once he wasn't on the

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Speaker 1: being a more run heavy offense. Yea. Once Batman wasn't

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Speaker 1: move to make. That's you know, they were just short

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver yea, And so they pivoted, and that

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Speaker 1: impacted Lamar's numbers. I think had everybody stayed healthy, it

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Speaker 1: would have been over. I think that that it certainly

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Speaker 1: could have. Like I think that I mean, as you

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Speaker 1: just said, like the Bateman injury just really changed the

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Speaker 1: course of the offense in terms of the direction of

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Speaker 1: it in certain ways. I mean, I think we went

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Speaker 1: into the season. I don't know if this is on tape,

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Speaker 1: but I think we went into the season saying, if

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Speaker 1: Bateman suffers a season end injury, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: really hard for this offensive overcome. And that was true, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. And it just kind of, to your point,

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Speaker 1: changes the type of offense, you know, to a certain degree.

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Speaker 1: Exactly they packed it now, they weren't. They were never

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Speaker 1: going to be a team that consistently threw the ball

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Speaker 1: forty plus times. That was never that was never in

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Speaker 1: the cards. But I think you'll shifted the big playability

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Speaker 1: being much lower than exactly because he got hurt. Exactly obviously,

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Speaker 1: uh rushing for Lamar, I said under a thousand rushing yards.

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Speaker 1: So he was averaging per carry more than a year

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Speaker 1: it just changes that that number in a big way.

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Speaker 1: Or but if you can probably account for some you know,

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Speaker 1: You can definitely account for some long runs in there

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Speaker 1: we both went under on that. So we both lost, okay,

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Speaker 1: um all right, leading pass catcher yards, receptions, touchdowns. We

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Speaker 1: both predicted a clean sweep for Mark Andrews and Ding

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Speaker 1: Ding Ding. We were correct on that. Look, I thought

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Speaker 1: you said that it was these weren't good at predictions,

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Speaker 1: and then now I'm just just I'm feeling a little

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Speaker 1: don't know, we didn't. We didn't go out on a

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Speaker 1: limb here by saying that Mark Andrews was going to

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Speaker 1: have said Bateman at the beginning of the year. But yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: I mean Mark was coming off a career year. He

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Speaker 1: of the regular season. So you know, we both predicted

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Speaker 1: the thousand to twelve hundred. That's what I said. Undred.

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Speaker 1: You were in that same range, I said, exactly one thousand,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy six. Because he really nailed me down.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing with you, I gotta put you down,

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Speaker 1: a position. So you did on this one. Yeah, And honestly,

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Speaker 1: so like I think that, Like I don't think Mark's

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Speaker 1: I talk about the ripple effects of the Bateman injury,

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Speaker 1: Like once Bateman went down and the Ravens are shorthanded

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, then it was clearly Mark was the top

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Speaker 1: He saw just a lot of different coverages also, and he,

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Speaker 1: like you said, battled through injuries that I think that

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Speaker 1: all impacted and he missed two games and he played

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Speaker 1: five games Lamar, So like all that is a factor.

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Speaker 1: I still think that, Like even though like it wasn't

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Speaker 1: it still was a really good season from Mark Andrews.

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Speaker 1: One thing that I and I told this to Mark

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Speaker 1: that should not be overlooked is what he did as

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Speaker 1: of a run game, Mark Andrews was a big part

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Speaker 1: of that. And like he has steadily improved as a blocker.

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Speaker 1: I thought he had his best blocking yer yet and

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Speaker 1: that should not be ignored. Like, I know that he's

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Speaker 1: as a blocker. I mean, we don't predict that. We

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Speaker 1: don't in the season predictions. We don't say at what

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Speaker 1: level blocking, But I'm just saying that should be noted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think with Mark, like he is really

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Speaker 1: rounded into an all around tight end. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and and like he's one of the highest paid tight

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Speaker 1: like I think certain guys like George Kittle gets a

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Speaker 1: go along with his ability as a receiver, where he's

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Speaker 1: the next week or two, you know. Um, and ended

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Speaker 1: up kind of coming back mid season. So that's a

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Speaker 1: win for us. Yeah, win. Yeah. Uh. Interceptions you made

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Speaker 1: the good It was good to solid. Joe's that's roll

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Speaker 1: that joke, all right, interception leader Okay, So always gonna

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Speaker 1: be getting out to the quarterback. Who's coming down with

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Speaker 1: the interceptions. I'm gonna I'll tell you who it is.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be Marcus. I think it's also tricky ranky.

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Speaker 1: I didn't get that one immediately. Yeah, well done, sir, Yes,

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Speaker 1: wow on little sleep. Yeah, I'm still sharp, still sharp.

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Speaker 1: All right, that was pretty good. The Marcus joke, Yes,

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Speaker 1: State did the market was correct. You were correct, but

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Speaker 1: the wrong Marcus. We both said, Marcus Peters, Uh, we predicted.

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Speaker 1: I predicted five interceptions. Marcus Williams led the team with

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Speaker 1: four picks in ten games. Again, you know, Marcus Peters,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that like he you know, Marcus

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Speaker 1: doesn't really talk to the media. He did the one

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Speaker 1: interview with the Ringer and that was where you know,

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Speaker 1: he admitted, like basically it was kind of it's been

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Speaker 1: kind of a challenge. There was a challenge this year

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Speaker 1: coming back and like dealing with like the mental side

447
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Speaker 1: of it, in the self doubt, but also the physical

448
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Speaker 1: side of like not totally feeling like yourself. I think

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Speaker 1: we saw that a little bit this year, and it

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to make the plays. You know, Marcus Williams,

451
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Speaker 1: like you gotta feel really good about that signing now

452
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Speaker 1: he broke his hand and missed the risk or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and broke missed a good portion at a time. Still

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Speaker 1: ended up with four interceptions. Three of them came in

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Speaker 1: the first four games. So like when you have three

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Speaker 1: of the first four games, you were thinking, like this

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Speaker 1: guy gonna get like double digits, how hi are we

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Speaker 1: going to go here? And then only one of the

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Speaker 1: rest of the way, of course, the injury being the

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Speaker 1: biggest factor there. But really good season though. I mean

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Speaker 1: when you look at the Dolphins game was the outlier

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Speaker 1: right for big plays getting hit over the top, and

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Speaker 1: you know that was you know, Kyle Hamilton talked about that.

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Speaker 1: You know that he kind of had some mental errors

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Speaker 1: on that or whatever. That wasn't really Marcus Williams, right.

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Speaker 1: But outside of that, the Ravens I think led the

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Speaker 1: league in fewest twenty plus yard touchdowns allowed, Like, they

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Speaker 1: did not give up many big plays through the air,

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Speaker 1: and Marcus Williams I don't think probably got enough credit

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Speaker 1: for that, as much credit as he deserves. Like the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: and especially when you look at the Bengals, the three

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Speaker 1: games against the Bengals, they did not hit big plays

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Speaker 1: on the Ravens. Yeah, you know, and so Marcus Williams

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Speaker 1: was a big part of that um and you know,

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Speaker 1: the interceptions obviously would have been higher had he not

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Speaker 1: gotten injured. But I just think the impact he made

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Speaker 1: was pretty big. Cauld We just do a little side note,

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Speaker 1: you know, borderline rant. It's not rant, but discussion. Like

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Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of fans watched the game this weekend,

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Speaker 1: you know, as long as it wasn't too painful to

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Speaker 1: watch NFL football this week and you watch, you watch Bills, Bengals,

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Speaker 1: and probably most Ravens fans, I want to guess rooting

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Speaker 1: for the Bills. But when you watch like the Bengals

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Speaker 1: and the ease at which they marched up and down

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Speaker 1: the field in that game for a lot of it

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Speaker 1: in tough conditions, it makes it made me, I think

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Speaker 1: probably a lot of Ravens fans further appreciate how good

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Speaker 1: of a job the Ravens defense did against the Bengals

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Speaker 1: this year. All three games, including the last two games

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Speaker 1: where they played with their third string quarterback and then

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Speaker 1: their second string quarterback. They took them to the absolute

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Speaker 1: brank and they had a flukey play at ninety eight

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Speaker 1: yard phone ball recovery touchdown that flipped the game fourteen

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Speaker 1: points swing and was the difference Like if the Ravens

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Speaker 1: score there, who knows what happens, but I think they

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Speaker 1: have a pretty good chance to win that game. And

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Speaker 1: it just made me feel both better and worse. You

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Speaker 1: just feel like this Ravens team, this defense was great

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Speaker 1: and we saw it last week and I wish they

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Speaker 1: were still playing, but it also made you feel worse,

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Speaker 1: like they're not They're not far off, but they also

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Speaker 1: aren't still playing. It's like, this goes back to my argument,

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Speaker 1: and I argue this all the time, people like you

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Speaker 1: always push back against me. And the conversation for it

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Speaker 1: felt like the second half of the season with the

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Speaker 1: Ravens was are they good enough to beat the Bills

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Speaker 1: or the Chiefs in the playoffs? Right? Or the Bengals? Right?

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Speaker 1: And a bunch of people were like, no, no, they're not.

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Speaker 1: The offense isn't good enough, blah blah blah. You can't

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Speaker 1: win with this formula, blah blah. And I kept being like,

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Speaker 1: you can, you can win with this formula. You never know.

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Speaker 1: I'm a you never know until you know you get

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs and you never know kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: And this is another you're making my point, You're making

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Speaker 1: my case for me, right, because look, okay, if you

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Speaker 1: were one of the worst teams in the league, sure

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Speaker 1: and you get to the playoffs, then you know you're

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Speaker 1: gonna lose that game ninety times out of a hundred, right,

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Speaker 1: nine times out of time whatever. Right, But if you're

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Speaker 1: it's like being in the same ballpark. Were the Ravens

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Speaker 1: good enough to run with those teams? Yes? Absolutely, they

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Speaker 1: always beat them with their backup quarterback. Yes they were

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Speaker 1: good enough, and like on any given day they could

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Speaker 1: have beaten them, right, like they were good enough. We've

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Speaker 1: seen that. And it's people like you who always say otherwise. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of funny that, like you're making

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Speaker 1: your case like I was right by the fact that

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Speaker 1: it didn't turn out right, but I could have been right.

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Speaker 1: And like you're talking about they should have beaten the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: they should have beaten the Bengals, which then obviously, by

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Speaker 1: U e know, osmosis means they would have beaten the Bills, right,

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Speaker 1: so that the Cheese, So we would have beat the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs too, because the Bills beat the Chiefs in the

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Speaker 1: regular season, so boom, right done, we also beat the

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Speaker 1: Cheese and then we win the Super Bowl because why

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Speaker 1: not size them? Yeah, exactly exactly, Like I'm like, I know,

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Speaker 1: you're just being a little bit a little bit facetious, facetious, um,

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Speaker 1: but like, I'm not going that far. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: I don't think that the Ravens, like when John Harbor

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Speaker 1: and eric's Acosta talked, they feel like they're not far

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Speaker 1: off and being a championship level team. Yeah, I made

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Speaker 1: that point and I and I agree with that. I

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Speaker 1: agree with that, but they're not there. They're not there yet,

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Speaker 1: and there's like things that they need are looking to

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Speaker 1: do this offseason to get to that level. Of course,

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Speaker 1: but I think that, like they're close. I really think

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Speaker 1: that they're close. And I think that watching that Bengals

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Speaker 1: Bills game was a reminder of that, and like it

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Speaker 1: was particularly a reminder on the defensive side of how

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Speaker 1: good this Ravens defense was at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that like really just bothers

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Speaker 1: me about the season is like things like people talk

553
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Speaker 1: about getting hot at the right time and coming together

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season. I think in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways the Ravens were doing that. The defense.

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Speaker 1: Defense was absolutely glue like this. What was the It

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Speaker 1: was the absence of the quarterback, right, I mean the

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Speaker 1: run game came together, Um, the defense was playing great,

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Speaker 1: and you didn't have your quarterback yep, and I think

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Speaker 1: that like that it's the most important position in football,

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Speaker 1: and to not have that is the entire offensive build around, right, So,

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Speaker 1: like everything basically kind of came together at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year with the exception of the most important piece,

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Speaker 1: and that's what part of the biggest frustration is. Back

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Speaker 1: of the season. All right, let's take a quick break

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Speaker 1: and then we'll go back in and look at some

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Speaker 1: of these predictions from the start of the year. All right.

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Speaker 1: the Lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Very soon here,

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Speaker 1: very soon. We have a helmet here that's been signed

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Speaker 1: by every player who did the Lounge this year, So

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Speaker 1: we are going to be giving that away to somebody

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Speaker 1: by a bunch of guys. Pretty cool. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's jump back into it. One that we did pretty

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Speaker 1: well on was our prediction of the stat line for

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton, in which I said deuces were wild, two interceptions,

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Speaker 1: two sacks, two forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, and I

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Speaker 1: specifically said it will be splash plays kind of. He

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Speaker 1: makes splash plays here and there during course the year.

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Speaker 1: That would really kind of lake a Patrick Queen rookie year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's play the clip from that. How about Kyle Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: the rookie first rounder? What do you think this that

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Speaker 1: line is for that fourteenth overall pick. I think that

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton ends up with probably around I'll say, two interceptions,

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Speaker 1: two sacks, two forced fumbles. Um, how many more? Two's

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Speaker 1: canna do? Two fumble recoveries, two safeties? No? Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that it's gonna be a wide range. I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be kind of like Patrick Queen's rookie

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Speaker 1: season where he just had like made some splash plays

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Speaker 1: in various different ways throughout the course of the season.

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Speaker 1: And um, I think that's gonna be kind of Kyle

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's rookie year. Um, I haven't round sixty tackles. Um,

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Speaker 1: I would probably say it's about right. Yeah, so we're

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Speaker 1: pretty close on this. Yeah, Okay, finished with two sacks

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Speaker 1: as I predicted. You said one sec Uh, I was,

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Speaker 1: I was, I was way off, way off what you're

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Speaker 1: in left field? Uh? One force fumble? You said around

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Speaker 1: sixty tackles. Finished with sixty two, So well done. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's I mean, he didn't get anybody way off

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Speaker 1: what you led this podcast by talking about how we

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Speaker 1: were off on things. I think we kind of were not.

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Speaker 1: I think we nailed this in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead, we were okay, we nailed this. Um

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Speaker 1: so not but pretty good on Kle Hamilton. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: this was a good conversation that we had for a while.

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Speaker 1: The breakout player, which is always a good one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I said, likely, you know, since I predicted you would

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Speaker 1: be the number three guy, that was kind of easy pick, right,

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Speaker 1: But then I went to I pivoted and kind of said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Devin du renee okay, as an offensive piece.

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Speaker 1: And then I made fun of you because I was

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Speaker 1: like he was a pro bowler, like exactly that that's correct? Yea,

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Speaker 1: who do you guys? Your breakout player? Okay? My? And

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Speaker 1: this is all then for the listeners who've been, you know,

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Speaker 1: listening to here we go, make always goes with like

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Speaker 1: a guy who's broken out. He's like Marcus Peters, he's

639
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: gonna be a breakout player this year. Look out for him.

640
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna be really good, gonna be a rookie. Sure

641
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Speaker 1: you can't, can you? Say, Isaiah Likely. I mean that's

642
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Speaker 1: that would that's the slam dunk that that is the

643
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Speaker 1: slam dunck. Yeah, I'm going Isaiah Likely. I think that, um,

644
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Speaker 1: all right, if it's not If it's not likely, I'll

645
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Speaker 1: go with Duvernet, the Pro bowler who's gone to a

646
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl as a special teamer. He's been at the

647
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, and I'm saying, as a sky jersey with

648
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: the stars on it, you know he's gonna have a

649
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: breakout season, all right as a offensive player as a receiver,

650
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Speaker 1: I'll go to Duverne. So, but I think I was

651
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: right on this offensive like especially, you still deserve to

652
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: get made fun of for predicting that a Pro bowler

653
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: is going to be a breakout player first half of

654
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Speaker 1: the year, though I was right for offense. He was

655
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: definitely an offensive breakout player. Like I think that we

656
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Speaker 1: did the mid season awards and it was like offensive

657
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: he was getting a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah, So

658
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: I think I was on the scent there. And really

659
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Speaker 1: what was even better was later on I said a

660
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Speaker 1: deep dive breakout player of the Year defensively, Broderick Washington.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. That was a that was a

662
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: hit that was a major hit. That that's well done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I went with Likely. You said Pepe, Well, I said,

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Speaker 1: what about him? I just asked the question. You threw

665
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: it out there. I just asked the question. I said Likely, Um,

666
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: and I think it's a borderline breakout year for Likely.

667
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: It was a borderline breakout year. Had a big game

668
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: in prime time, big game in prime time against the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a borderline breakout player. Um. All right,

670
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Speaker 1: so let's go to the overall rankings. Okay, offensive defense ranking.

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Speaker 1: So the Ravens finished sixteenth on offenses in total yards

672
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Speaker 1: and ninth on defense. You said seventh on offense, top

673
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Speaker 1: five for defense. Well, they are a top two after Roqua.

674
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Speaker 1: I didn't know about the roqu On trade you were,

675
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Speaker 1: I was, you're factoring that in? That's what you said,

676
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Speaker 1: top five? Yeah, well they were top two second after

677
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: year after real question. So I think I got it.

678
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: I said defense number three. I knew that trade was

679
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: gonna happen, So I factored that in. Yeah, exactly. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then he said to ten offensive eat it right? Yeah?

681
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, all those things. Yeah, totally, Um, Dobbins,

682
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: We you know, we were trying to predict, obviously coming

683
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Speaker 1: off the knee, what he would be at. You know,

684
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: we both said under a thousand yards, we said, I

685
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: said he would top his rookie production, which was eight

686
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: hundred some yards. He's finished at five twenty UM, so

687
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: we were a little you know, we didn't predict him

688
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: midseason scope. Yeah, that knocked him out for several games.

689
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: He had a really strong year again, that's right. I

690
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: think that like JK. Dobbins, like and I know that

691
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, like a lot of

692
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: the conversation was, you know, he was clearly frustrated in

693
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: the locker room and said that I want to be

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00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: the guy and basically I want to give me the

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Speaker 1: ball in that situation and um, you know, at the

696
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Speaker 1: goal line, and he wants to be featured more, um

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Speaker 1: and so like that kind of dominated most of the

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Speaker 1: narrative and the discussion around him. But I don't I

699
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: think that, like, I don't want to overlook how good

700
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: he was coming back from that scope injury or that

701
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Speaker 1: scope procedure, And it just gives me a lot of

702
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Speaker 1: confidence that like JK. Dobbins could be the guy that,

703
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Speaker 1: like we all saw when he was a rookie ye

704
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Speaker 1: and like I just the podcasting of yards per carry average,

705
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: like it was right up. He was one of the

706
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Speaker 1: best in the league exactly the season exactly. And if

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Speaker 1: I go back to like when we had him on

708
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: the podcast, like that interview with him was so like

709
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: real and raw at certain times, and I really enjoyed it.

710
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to it, but I think that

711
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: like gives you a little bit of insight into like

712
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: how he approaches injury and how like difficult it was.

713
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Speaker 1: And to see him at a point now where you

714
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: feel like, all right, like this guy can be a

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00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: dominant running back again, I think that is really promising

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00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: for this team. I absolutely agree with that. I think

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Speaker 1: next year when we're making these predictions, I'll be looking

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Speaker 1: at over a thousand yards dubbins. I could just put

719
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Speaker 1: should I put a stamp it? Should I stamp it?

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Speaker 1: Right now? You can't decide if this is You can't

721
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Speaker 1: decide if this is a look back episode or look

722
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Speaker 1: forward episode. As close this out we predicted the final record.

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Speaker 1: I think we originally said worst case scenario was two losses. Yeah, yeah,

724
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Speaker 1: worst case was fifteen and two. You know, it didn't

725
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Speaker 1: quite play out like injuries worst. We ended up having

726
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: the worst injuries worst, worst case scenario. I went twelve

727
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: and five, you said thirteen and four. The Ravens finished

728
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: at ten and seven, right, I think we were on pace.

729
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: Though we were on pace, we were on pace. Lamar injury, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know. I mean I think that like I think

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Speaker 1: as i'm as I as I look back at this season,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like I said how I felt and

733
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Speaker 1: watching the games this weekend, I just felt like this

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00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: team early in the year, you had a bunch of

735
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Speaker 1: guys coming back from injuries and it was not right.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was just you lost some very close games,

737
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: fourth quarter comebacks, lost some kind of flukey games you

738
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: shouldn't have lost. The defense figures it out, It gets

739
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith, the offense, the run game comes together and

740
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: is dominant at the end of the year. Then Lamar

741
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: goes out, but the defense is great and you just

742
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: never felt like you got to see it all in Unison,

743
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: and that is what is like so frustrating ever got

744
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: to see the Ravens at their full potential. That's to

745
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: me like the story of the season in a lot

746
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: of ways, and it's really frustrating that that's the case. Um.

747
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: Before they were absolutely one of the best teams in

748
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: the league. Like our record predictions ship twelve ft four,

749
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: that's one of the best teams the league. I think

750
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: they were absolutely one of the best teams in the

751
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: league this sea. Yeah, I think I think that like

752
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: they are. You know, this is going to be the

753
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: case for them for the foreseeable future. Here the AFC

754
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: is stacked. Yeah, and like you got obviously the Bills, Bengals,

755
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Chiefs right there at the top. Those are the top three. Yep. Um,

756
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have suddenly entered into that conversation as being

757
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: a team the Chargers, and the Chargers are in that

758
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: mix too, Um, But like those are those are some

759
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: juggernaut quarterbacks in particular, and some great teams, and like

760
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: the Ravens are in that mix. But I think as

761
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: it stands right now, they're behind those top three, and

762
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: like that's gonna be where they need to That's where

763
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: they need to focus. And you know they're going to

764
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: be out to beat the Bengals and the Bills and

765
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: the Chiefs next year. Um, and to elevate to that

766
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: satus before we before we wrap up here. I did

767
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: just want to get you know, nothing has been in

768
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: anounced and the process is still ongoing, but the offensive

769
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: coordinator search is still underway. Ye, I just want to

770
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: get you know, kind of talk about that a little bit.

771
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean my quick high level take. I did a

772
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: final drive on this week. Like I like, they're talking

773
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: to guys from it's a big list, is a big

774
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: list of candidates. John Harvell said he was going to

775
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: cast a wide net, and he has according to all

776
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: the reports that are out there. I also think what's

777
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: really interesting in what I like about John's process is

778
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: it's it's not just an interview. It's not just about

779
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 1: finding who the guy is going to be. It's also

780
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: about learning. It's about like the sharing of ideas, right,

781
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: and like he uses this time as a way to

782
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: just get an infusion of new ideas and like pick

783
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: people's brains. Who are you know, some of the top

784
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: considered people in the business, you know, offensive minds in

785
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: the business. And like, so I think that's part of

786
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: the benefit of casting this wide net, is like you're

787
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: not you're not just locking in on I think this

788
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: guy's really great, but like, let's hear from a lot

789
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Speaker 1: of different people, even if we don't end up hiring them, Like,

790
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: it's just a good perspective to hear, right, like their

791
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: ideas for offense, and it's it's just he uses it

792
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: as a tool, a multifaceted tool I think to improve

793
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: yet and I like that. It's it's not just like, Okay,

794
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: we're we're only looking at pass game coordinators, we're only

795
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: looking at run game coordinators. We're only looking at guys

796
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: from the college level world like they're they're they're looking

797
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: across the board. Um and like internal external Like I

798
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: just like that, Like there's it doesn't seem like they're

799
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: The theme is that it's a wide net and it's

800
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: an exhaustive search. Yeah. Um, it's not just like all

801
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: we want to find somebody to come in here and

802
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: run a run heavy offense. Like it's it's a very

803
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: different collection of candidates in terms of experience. You know,

804
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: Frank Reich is somebody who's reportedly firmly on the radar.

805
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: This guy has been a head coach offensive coordinator a

806
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: lot of success. You have guys who are quarterbacks coaches

807
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, you're positioning and position coaches, um,

808
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: and so like you have this collection, maybe younger than Mery,

809
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: maybe not you. Yeah, come on, man, most of them

810
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: are younger than you might think. So I just I

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Speaker 1: just I just think that like it's uh, it's a

812
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: it's a good process. We'll see where it lands. Uh curiously,

813
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: how long it takes is you know sometimes on these

814
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: coaching searches, you know, like can take till after the

815
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl potentially, um, And so we'll see how long

816
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: it takes. Like I said before, I just like the

817
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: way that John goes about these processes and has in

818
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: years past. I think I think he does. He's a

819
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: good hirer and I think that he got a great

820
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: defensive coordinated to last year at Michae McDonald And as

821
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: we talked about the success of the defense over the

822
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: course of the year, I think that that was that

823
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: was born out. Yep, totally. It's an opportunity to grow

824
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: as an offense and really kind of takes people by

825
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: surprised like they did in twenty nineteen and really kind

826
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: of evolved. And I think that it's you know, it's

827
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: always change is always hard, but uh, it can really

828
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: kind of excite you and bring a new level of

829
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: energy and that's obviously what the Ravens hope for. So anyway,

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00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: thank you for listening. Uh, what, what's our final grade

831
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: on her? As A plus plus a curve? Yeah, I

832
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: don't know what curve you're grading on them, but I

833
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: don't I can. I wish I had it. I wish

834
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: I had it when I was in school. I'll give us,

835
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: I'll give us a solid. See solid, it's a solid sit.

836
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: That's like your old report cards. It's like, yeah, it's

837
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: a passive grade. So anyway, thanks for listening. As always,

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Speaker 1: you can reach us at the lounge at Ravens dot

839
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Speaker 1: NFL dot net and we'll be back with you next week.