WEBVTT - My Favorite Cartoonist - Ivan Ehlers 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.440 Have you ever drawn a cartoon so funny that you 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.400 had to take a break just because you couldn't stop laughing? 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.360 Oh yeah, all the time. 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:22.120 Pasha, Pasha shut show. Hey, how's everybody out there doing today? 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.360 It's me Daniel tosh by some funky Holdown music. Let 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:32.599 me sing along hit Daniel. You guys remember when Sir 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:34.960 mix a Lot used to do like some funny like 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:39.320 hodown music. Yeah, buttermilk biscuit, butternup biscuit. He do them all. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.880 He was way before Beyonce did a country album. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:44.680 He did. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.480 Yes, you gotta give props to Sir mix a Lot. 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.199 Not a lot of people talk about how great Sir 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.920 mix a Lot was Seattle's finest as far as I'm concerned. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.440 Sure you you know you talk about the big butt songs, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:03.000 but passe on Broadway. There's no chance that I don't 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.920 turn that song up, tell my kids to shut the 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:13.920 fuck up, and we just enjoy the queen? Was he? 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.080 I love Sir mix a Lot? Man, what's he up to? 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.520 I'm checking, I'm checking. 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.400 Let's get that guy on the podcast. Speaking of shouting 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.959 people out that want no business with me, Let's do 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:34.280 another Hello from Toss Show, all right, got David in Anaheim. Eh, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.800 this is a stone's throwaway. He used a car broker 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.679 because of my interview with my car guy, Marty, and 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.200 he said it was life changing. His car guy's name 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:49.600 is Rudy. That's because they all said they sound reliable. Rudy, 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:54.000 Marty all good people. Well, hello David, thanks for listening. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.680 Also want to send a hello from Toss Show to Sarah. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:03.640 She's listening in Washington, d our Nation's capital. She's a lawyer. Now, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.280 if you would have told me that when I started 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.919 a podcast a lawyer in Washington, d C. Would be listening, 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.200 I would have said, sure, you can listen anywhere. I 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.040 think anywhere in the world you can listen to this podcast, 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.920 except for North Korea and Iran. That's it because of 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.160 podcast sanctions over there. They don't let Toss Show. You 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.800 can't stream it or listen to it in North Korea 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.839 and Iran. That's a shame. Those people are missing out 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.680 because I guarantee we got fans there. You ever been 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.160 to North koreaity. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.480 Nope, seen it, looked at it from South Korea. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.520 You went to South Korea, went to the DMZ. Oh 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:46.400 you were right there. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:46.840 Yep. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.720 Do you get a golf ball out and take a hack? 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:50.120 No? 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.919 I did not. I tell you what I'd like. I'd 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.280 like to find out if my reps could get us 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.720 on in North Korea. I'd also like to know if 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.120 my reps would actually take my phone call. It's always 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.720 it's always a big saying, Oh, they're they're currently in 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.400 a meeting. Oh they're they're unavailable. Oh can I have 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.800 her call you right back? Not call call my manager? 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.840 See my manager answers the phone. You think she will? 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:22.760 I do? I gotta say my name. Hey, this is 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.840 Daniel Tosh. Can I talk to Christy for a second. 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.760 It's an emergency. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.000 Yeah, I don't have her at the exact moments, so 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.520 let me get her, let me get her off, give 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.160 me one second. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:41.360 Okay. They always say, oh, I don't I don't have her. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.760 I can't get her right now. It's like she's right 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.000 next to him, just going this. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:49.200 Going, Daniel, I can't get a hold of her. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.360 But she is traveling, so if you want to try herself, 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:52.600 she should be able to pick up there. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:53.760 Okay, thank you very much. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:54.920 You're welcome. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:07.560 Let me try yourself. Yeah, you know you're gonna answer, 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.000 all right, that's what an emergency gets you. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:13.280 It's crazy. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:22.280 Yeah, you mercer, I'll see if I get my agent 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:28.880 on the phone, I'll try to Hey, it's Daniel Tosh returning. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.760 Hey, Stacey's in a meeting right now. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.120 But give me one second. Could you hold for a second. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:39.960 Okay, you see that, you say returning. That's better. That's 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.920 better than an emergency. You think she would jump out 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:48.360 of whatever meeting she was in. Hi, Hey, I just 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.800 want to see if I can get you on the phone. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.840 Oh you never called through my office. Crazy, No, But 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:54.400 I just want to. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.640 Actually on a zoom call you I pick up. 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.960 Oh, you're the best representation in the world. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.359 I always pick your call up. 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.599 That's nice. That's nice. Not Christy could never get her 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.640 on a call. But you, Stacy, you run things all right. Hey, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:18.320 how are your conference? Hey? Yeah, get my ticket? Counts 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:18.760 all right? 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.200 Bye? 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:28.560 Look at that William Morrison, Davor Stacy Mark just always hustling. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:34.440 Christy Smith Rise Management. I forgot I actually had a 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.000 reason to call them, and I completely forgot. I was 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:41.880 going to ask him who their favorite political cartoonist is. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.600 But I'm not going to call him back because Lord knows. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.360 I'm gonna get sixteen phone calls the rest of the day. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.440 Everybody's in a panic. I heard you had an emergency. 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:58.040 What's going on? Ah, that's christy, look at that. That's 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:58.760 so silly. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:01.720 What's happening? 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.040 I was just seeing if I can get you on 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:03.440 the phone. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:05.880 You can always get me on the phone. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.479 Ah, that's pretty good. But I couldn't. I couldn't. I 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.760 couldn't get out. Hey, I was going. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.960 Through security at an airport. In fairness, I had to. 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.880 I didn't have my phone with me. As soon as 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:16.719 I did, I was bad. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.680 You don't. You're not like ushered through. You don't have 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.360 some v P line. You don't doing that new thing 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:21.640 underneath there yet? 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:22.279 Well I do. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.440 No, I don't do that. I don't. I Also, I'm 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:25.440 flying back from Houston. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.120 I don't think they have you're in Houston. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:28.360 I had it. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.360 Yeah, I had to go to memorial service this morning, 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:31.120 and I will come to back. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:31.760 Haha. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:35.919 How can I help you? 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.760 Who's your who's your hey? Who's your favorite political cartoonist? 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.760 Are they about to be on your on your podcast? 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.760 Yeah? Just just say Ivan. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.280 Iran, everything knows Ivan, he's just freaking mass they see 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.560 the one that was working in construction and then became 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:54.200 the political cartoonist. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:07:07.320 Don't ruin the interview. Enjoy Pasha. You might recognize today's 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.080 guest from his doodles in Mad Magazine or The New Yorker, 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.160 but not both, because there's no way that those two 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:19.200 publications have any crossover. Please welcome writer, illustrator and humorist 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.640 Ivan Ellers. Thank you for being here, sir, Hey, thank you. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.920 What do you tell people is your profession? 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.880 The most interesting thing I think is cartoonists. If you 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:31.440 say humorists, you sound like a jerk. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.080 I love calling you a humorist sounds more sophisticated. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.840 It sounds absolutely sophisticated. But you know, it's hard to 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.800 find something that doesn't sound super pretentious, you know, And 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.120 I do a whole lot of things, but the thing 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.440 I'm most well known for would be cartooning. Say cartooning, Yeah, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:48.120 I don't. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.560 Know if I like that either. What about when you're 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.160 going through customs and they ask what do you do? 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.320 Yeah? Usually artists sometimes writer. If you say artists that 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.040 like it's an automatic drug check. You know they're gonna 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.960 wipe you down. Do all this stuff. So anything that 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.520 sounds like not like I'm a love drugs. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.600 I despise aying comedian. Yeah, it's so embarrassing. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.320 Well, you're even worse because if you say I'm a comedian, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.240 you get all these people that are like, oh, tell 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.240 me a joke, you know, they try to put you 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.000 on the spot and oh, say something funny. 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.440 And then I try to say writer because I always 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.320 think that sounds really cool, but I'm like I can 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:23.960 barely you know, they. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:24.840 Say, write me something. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.040 You grew up in San Pedro, which I always thought 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:30.480 was just a made up city from grand theft? 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.400 Is that in grands grand theft? It just sounds like 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.720 grand theft. I mean it acts like grand theft. Auto 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.640 where is it exactly? So we're La proper, you know. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.120 So there's like the LA city like downtown and all this. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.280 Then LA continues down the freeway and then it's this 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:51.040 little pocket at the end where the port is. So 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.040 that's why we remain l a city, so LA can 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:55.480 get all the tax dollars from the port. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.600 Okay, it's a little bit crooked. I would say, how'd 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:00.920 you stum blendo your world? 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:05.160 So this was as Trump was leading up, like as 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.800 he started to make Noise to become a fourteen Yeah, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:12.160 twenty fifteen, and I was drawing a lot of cartoons. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.160 I was working in construction and just like on the side, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.400 just drawing stuff. And my now wife was like, what 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.600 are you going to do with these? I said, I 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.360 don't know, booking nothing like these would be perfect for 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.800 Mad magazine. But I've always heard that they were a 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.960 closed shop and didn't bring in too many people. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.600 Well, you probably didn't do any real research. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.559 You just heard that, like yeah, yeah, stuff that I 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.040 heard when I was like thirteen, closed off, like that, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.960 it must be this way forever. And so she's like, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.920 just send them in. I was like, that's not how 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.920 life works. But I printed out ten of them, sent 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.760 them in and they bought one, and they're like, yeah, cool, 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.800 send us anymore you have. Hey, this is great. So 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.800 then I just started doing like a batch of cartoons, 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.000 and I was like, for Mad, I would do like 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:58.000 longer articles and a lot of they called the parody songs. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:59.280 You know love those? 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:00.920 Are you still doing fresh ones? 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.320 No? Nobody bought them, so I was like I did. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:04.520 I was like, I'm gonna do them forever. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:05.040 I don't care. 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:06.480 I still love it. And once you get to a 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.760 certain point of doing like cartoon work or comedy, I'm 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.840 sure if like people don't pay you, it's like not 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:11.439 gonna do it. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.320 I mean, you know, it's always funny is I used 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.120 to think like, oh, you have to make money at 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.120 this for it to uh, you know, I don't know, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:24.280 referred to mean anything. But then I realized pretty soon 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:29.200 on that so many people do this as their pastime. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.240 It's much like a pro golfer makes a living golfing. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.720 Billions of other people just golf for the enjoyment. Like 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:40.560 I knew people that just would perform comedy open mics 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.200 just because that was there, much like doing karaoke it 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.040 was something fun. Yeah, And I mean I never wrapped 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.959 my head around that because it seemed like torture. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.120 Yeah, the karaoke part seems like more fun. But the 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.480 people that just keep doing it, keep doing it, keep 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.480 doing it, like never break through. It's like, oh, it 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:57.160 bumps me out. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:58.319 It bumps me out. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.120 So many people doing cartoons because they love it so much, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.120 like this is the greatest thing in the world, Like, oh, 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.280 what are you doing? Man? It's like it's miserable, Like 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.880 they just never get better and like, look at they're 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.680 still doing like weird like funny little puns. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:13.079 Huh. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.679 They would work like in the fifties, they're like, oh man, 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.360 you gotta like you know, you could tell like people 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.520 that love comedy. Yeah, it's like it's a lot, no, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:22.120 I hear it. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.840 Do you post everything like on your own sites and 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:25.240 stuff like? 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.960 No, no, you know a lot of people do so Okay. 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:29.880 In the past, you would try. You would take everything 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.680 to the New Yorker first, which is like the best, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.640 the most prestigious place. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.040 And that, and you work with them a lot. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.360 Yeah, sold the cartoon this morning, Oh congratulations, thank you. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.040 We're still doing that. I only do it when I sell, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.000 which is less and less these days. But yeah, you 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.720 would take it there first, and then if they would 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.439 pass on it, then I would take it to Mad Magazine. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:52.760 If they would pass on it, then I would take 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.240 it to like five or six others, and then by 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:56.959 the end you would do like a batch of ten 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.680 cartoons per week, and then I was selling like sixty 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.280 percent over the course of going down like five or 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.800 six places, and whatever it was left I would hold 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.160 on to and recaption it and put a different joke 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.880 on it. But a lot of people if they don't, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.040 if they send in a batch and they don't sell, 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.920 they just turn around and post it on Instagram, okay 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:17.240 for free. And I said, what are you doing? 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:17.400 Man? 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.640 Oh, gotta wait till you get paid for that. I'll 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.760 hold on to I sold a cartoon that was like 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.400 five years old that I just kept changing the captionh. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.240 Is there a world where you don't even change the 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.160 caption and you just resubmit it and somebody like, yeah, 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:29.760 I'll take it now, and maybe they didn't take it 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:30.400 six months ago. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.840 Oh yeah, uh absolutely. And most of the cartoons that 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.400 I sell, like for the New York they have the 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.640 cartoons that they sell for print, and then they have 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.480 daily cartoons, which are like something happened this morning or 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.560 something happened last night, and you do it about something 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.480 like that. So those ones you kind of have to 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.920 draw that day and make it fresh and current. But 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:55.199 the other ones I'll resubmit like every three weeks sometimes yea, once. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:59.400 They're already published. Then do you promote the old worker. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:12:59.559 No. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.880 Usually when this is a great deal, like the New Yorker, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.400 when they buy it, they usually buy first rights. You 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.000 know so, and sometimes they'll hold on to it for 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.880 a while. I had a cartoon come out recently. They 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.400 bought like five years ago. So I was just sitting 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.800 there going, oh, they hated it. They regretted ever buying it, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.360 Like they hate me, why don't they do this? Then 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.240 it comes out and the drawing style is completely different 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.480 and the joke doesn't seem that funny anymore. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.360 And they just sat on it for that long. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.080 They have I mean they buy cartoon, They buy about 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:30.760 fifteen a week. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:31.800 Who's their gate keeper? 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.240 Well, they have The main cartoon editor is Emma Allen, 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.160 a very intelligent, very cool young lady. I don't envy 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.319 her job. She has to get like fifteen hundred cartoons 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.760 a week and whittle it down to, like, oh my goodness, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.400 the top hundred, and then she takes the top one 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.719 hundred or so to David Remnick, who's the editor of 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.080 The New Yorker, and then he picks the final fifteen 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:54.400 or so that they buy per week. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.360 And I get it, But are you just thrown into 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.320 the big pile with fifteen hundred where they're yeah. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.400 Yeah, But other track people that have been there longer, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.840 that have sold a whole lot. They get a higher rate, 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.040 and I think they buy more from them. 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.880 But if somebody were to come in and this they 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.000 were just off the street and they submit one that 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.480 they liked, what kind of money could they expect to 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.000 make off of one publication? 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.840 So if you sell for print, it's like seven hundred 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.120 and fifty dollars, and then once it goes out, then 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.920 it gets licensed to a bunch of other stuff, so 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.440 you could I mean, some cartoons can make like thousands. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.240 I always heard a story back in like the sixties 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.560 and seventies this guy bought a house with one cartoon 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.960 just because it got licensed house though I mean it 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.280 was a summer house in like a small area, but still, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.800 but that's crazy, Like those days are gone. Like if 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.640 I get like, I'll get weeks where you'll get like 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.240 these little licensing checks and it's like fifty six cents, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.520 five dollars and five cents, and then sometimes you'll get 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:56.520 several hundred And. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:57.240 Do you have a union. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.680 No, they've talked about it. It's been approached, But I 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:05.040 think the magazine industry is in kind of sad shape. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.720 Because what I like, what our unions will do is 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.720 all those dumb residual checks that are ten cents fifteen. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.160 You can put a thing in your profile that's like, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.240 we're not going to send you a check until it 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.360 totals one thousand dollars or some version of that, so 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.240 you don't have to get nine thousand checks for eighteen cents. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.640 You know, when I first sold to The New Yorker, 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.640 they're like, do you want to do a direct deposit 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:32.480 or do you want to check? 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:33.840 And I was like, oh, send me a check. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.080 Was so stoked to get a check that says like 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.520 the New Yorker on it, and it was just like 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.080 some very tame the thing that said like advanced Publishing 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.280 LLC this and that. It's like, ah, it's not fun. 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.120 Can't frame that. 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.720 Are you allowed to put things in that they still 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:50.880 have the rights to or no? 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.520 So the New Yorker they buy it first rights, so 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.600 once it comes out, I think it's something like sixty 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.040 to ninety days, then all rights revert back to me, 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.880 so I could do anything, but like Mad Magazine buys 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.600 it outright, so I couldn't put anything that they bought. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.920 You're never allowed to use it again, never allowed. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.000 But see that's part of the reason why Mad Magazine Now, 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.480 it's uh, they're not doing too much new material. It's 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.520 uh front cover at back cover and or not a 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.760 back cover, but like the folding cover. They're doing new 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.440 ones of those, and they're kind of colorizing old things 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:23.920 because they still have the rights for it. They don't 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.080 have to pay anything else for it. Every now and 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.480 then they'll do it one or two pieces every six months, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.080 but they have full rights. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.320 So do they call you and say, hey, let's let's 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:35.840 churn out some new stuff or no? 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:40.200 Sometimes Yeah, Susie Hutchinson is a lady that's in charge 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.440 that she's doing like the job of ten people to 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:43.960 keep Mad Magazine going. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.320 And so do you have to figure out all this 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:46.400 shit on your own or did you? 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:47.000 Oh? 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.880 Yeah, like when you have no background into it all, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.840 you're just like all right, I was figure out how 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.800 to yeah, get into this world. Well, especially Earl, like 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.400 just your wife that figured it out. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:03.000 Yeah, is with those things that I do. Yeah, But 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.159 you know, like I'm very envious, Like she went to 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.560 art school and like learned all the business aspects of 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.639 it and like how to do all these things, and 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.400 mine was just kind of like sending emails out and 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.760 once I got into it, a lot of other cartoonists 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.040 are really helpful and do kind of like give you 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.720 pointers and stuff like that, but everybody goes through pretty differently. 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.159 Somebody describe some of your stuff or read back. Is 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.000 that cringe worthy to you, because there's no way they 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:28.640 can they butcher it so badly. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:29.480 Absolutely? 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.679 Yeah, that's tough. I was trying to think of I 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.520 won't quote, but the ones that we were talking about 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.960 the concert and the ticket prices. Oh, yeah, that one's great. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.840 I'm not going what was the original quote of the 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.320 cost of the ticket? A dollar fifty cents? Right, that's 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:48.280 way better than a dollar. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.160 But man, have you ordered any tickets lately? 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:50.760 Yeah? 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.000 No, the fees you you don't have someone do it 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:54.080 for you. 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.639 No, I yeah, well I'll buy tickets secondhand and just 0:17:58.160 --> 0:17:59.679 pay through the nose, MiG whatever. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.280 It really is crazy. It's like, oh, people get that 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.479 shows twelve dollars. You check us like seventy seven dollars. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:07.680 How the hell did that happen? 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.360 I Mean, I have people tell me all the time 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.160 that they won't come to my shows because it's done 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.080 by Live Nation, and I'm like, well, it's it's just 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:19.280 that they're really nice to me. What's your process? Just 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.880 do text yourself? I text myself. I text myself a lot. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.439 It's like the notepad. I don't new function, I just 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.760 you just text it text myself. Then it goes to 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.720 an actual hard little notebook that I have. Then I 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.800 write in there, and I'm supposed to flush those out 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.199 only two per page. That's my I give myself some 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:38.320 room to add to it. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.960 So you write two jokes per page, so you can 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.520 leave room to I embellish it. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.000 Right, well, actually flush it out at some point. But 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:46.879 if I take it a stage before I flush it 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.840 out and make progress live on stage, then I fucking 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:51.639 bypass that. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.160 Can you do that these days? Can you work stuff 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:55.440 out on stage? Now? 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:56.000 I have to? 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:57.800 Yeah, I mean it seems like you'd have to. It 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.399 seems like to be way better. But with like people 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.840