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Speaker 3: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex podcast from the Action Network

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Speaker 2: and Fantasy Labs. I am Chris Ravon and I enjoyed

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Speaker 2: as always by my main man, a guy recently just

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Speaker 2: hit two hundred thousand followers in the free award winning

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Speaker 2: Action Network at the odds maker Sean Turner, Shan, how's

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Speaker 2: it going?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: I'm always cautious like putting out any bet because so

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Speaker 3: many people are seeing them now. But yeah, I love

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Speaker 3: this time of the year. You know, still got baseball

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Speaker 3: NBA WNBA just kicked off one of my favorite sports,

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Speaker 3: and then a few months we're gonna have NFL preseason,

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Speaker 3: which I always put out a ton of preseason bets,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course you are at the underscore osmaker

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Speaker 2: on the Action Network app, So yeah, everybody go follow Sean.

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Speaker 2: Today we're going to dive into some one of my

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Speaker 2: which is coaching changes, and specifically we're going to try

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Speaker 2: to at least mention and go through these offensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: changes because they do impact our projections at least on

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Speaker 2: some level. You know, Sean, I know you and I

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Speaker 2: I'll definitely get into all that. And before we get started,

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Speaker 2: just a reminder all of our rankings and content can

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Speaker 2: and Sean. I think you're you have a hand in

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Speaker 3: And this is actually give me my twentieth season betting WNBA.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, so you've essentially been betting the w

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Speaker 3: No, I think, well it's been around longer because I

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Speaker 1: God, guys just cleared out clear.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I have five different leagues rallying through my brain

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think they're another interesting one. You got Mike Vrabel

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Speaker 1: What do you think about this move?

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Speaker 1: All right, well, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But if you've ever seen Cardi b I think Stefan

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Speaker 1: So now it's like there's all this uncertainty here.

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Speaker 3: guy with you know, success, like Liam Cohen, you can

436
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: kind of trust this offense and maybe project Lawrence to

437
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 3: maybe take that next leap this year. So I think overall,

438
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: this is positive for the Jaguars the injury. Really interesting

439
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: thing for me is his backfield. I know you've had

440
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: some takes on it, but you know, he really revamped

441
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: the Buccaneers running game last year with Bucky Irving, one

442
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: of my favorite players from last year. But they really

443
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: have three running backs right now, and I've seen a

444
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: lot of different takes on how people think this backfield

445
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: is gonna shake out. So you think, you know, having

446
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: Cohen there, the fact that they drafted Bashall toot and

447
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: you think that he's he's a sneaky sleeper pick this year.

448
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's the guy who's he intends

449
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: to kind of make into his Bucky Ivy the end

450
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: of the year. If you I've done a lot of

451
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 2: kind of digging into this because like this, you know,

452
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: these are the kind of situations where if you hit these,

453
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: whether it's fantasy, whether it's betting, you know, like last year,

454
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: all you know the Tampa Bay Bucks, their run game,

455
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: their their their team, Baker Mayfield. I mean, it's a

456
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 2: lot of these changes on high upside kind of differences

457
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: from one season to the next are concentrated among a

458
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 2: few teams, so you know, I think kind of nailing

459
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: this is important, and I think, you know, with Cohen,

460
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: one thing that sticks out.

461
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: You know, he the run game wasn't just Buckie, Irving

462
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: and Tampa.

463
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: It was really a remake of the offensive line and

464
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: kind of getting the guys that that that he felt,

465
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: you know, just wanted to you know, to play and

466
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: play past the snap and block and whatnot. So there

467
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: could be kind of you know, it's not going to

468
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: look coming into the year maybe like oh, this is

469
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: gonna be.

470
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: A revamp running in.

471
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 2: But then when you look at some of the things

472
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: he's kind of saying about the backfield, you know, he's

473
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: saying too, he's a guy that can create big plays.

474
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: We need that, and you know, we want to be

475
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: able to throw the ball to the backs more. The

476
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: whispers are he, you know, Etn was already on the

477
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 2: trading block. The whispers are he he's not really feeling

478
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: Etn or Bigsby. So I think this could be a

479
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: situation where you see Twoton. You know, it could be

480
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: earlier than even Bucky did just kind of start to

481
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: take over his backfield. I think you could even say, see,

482
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: you know, they think they got another guy Uh, Quinn Allen,

483
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: I think his name is behind yeah, behind him. I

484
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: think he could end up making the team as well

485
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: and be a factor.

486
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: And I think that.

487
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: You're just kind of seeing the entire depth chart get remade, right,

488
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: Like even the gave Davis move that was a move

489
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: they didn't really have to make. You know, they gave

490
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: Davis is a guy. I know he was hurt, but

491
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: you know, they owed him money. He is known as

492
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: a good blocker, So like he's a guy that they

493
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: could have just kept, and they felt like they had

494
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: to move on from him, you know, Hunter, they felt

495
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: they needed to go up and grab him. Diami Brown,

496
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: they gave a ten million dollar deal, Uh, the same

497
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: deal that essentially too to out Well got from the Rams,

498
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: so you know, and Con is a McVeigh disciples. So

499
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: I think this offense, you're gonna see a lot more receivers.

500
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see a lot more throwing to

501
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: the to the backs. And uh, I think that this

502
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: is great news for Thomas, This great news for tooting.

503
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 2: I think in bestball you could also see guys like

504
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: Diami Brown and Parker Washington, Uh, give you some usable

505
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: weeks because remember in beastball, you know, you have to

506
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 2: kind of look past just okay, who who has that

507
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: you know upside to be like a wide receiver too,

508
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: because you don't want to have to you know, know

509
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: you know when to start him, like in redraft. But basketball,

510
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: you know, if if guys like Diami Brown and Parker Washington,

511
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: you know who are being drafted, you know way down

512
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: there give you maybe three, four or five usable.

513
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: Weeks like that, that can be big.

514
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna kind of see that because

515
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: you kind of saw that on the Bucks last year

516
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: with you know, they could go for receivers deep with

517
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: the injuries and things like that. They were using White

518
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: and Irving in the backfield. Both of those guys were

519
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: providing value sometimes in the same game. And then Kayatt

520
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: and you know it was kind of hogging the tight

521
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: end STAPs, which I think a guy like Strange could do.

522
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: So I think that you're gonna you're.

523
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: Gonna see kind of the at least the intention for

524
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: this Jags offense to kind of be what that Bucks

525
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: offense was last year. And I think this is a

526
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: team that I really want to be stacking up on

527
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 2: in beastball and probably the offense that I think is

528
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: the most undervalued, at least right now, because you're talking about,

529
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, a completely different running back. You're talking about

530
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: receivers that could go you know, your fourth receiver that

531
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 2: could that could be valuable. You're talking about a tight

532
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: end being drafted outside the starters that could end up,

533
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: you know, leading the league in routes run.

534
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: So just a lot of things I think to like

535
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: about this Jags offense.

536
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing real quick, when it comes to just

537
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: the running game. I know people talking about Bucky Irving,

538
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: and rightfully so, he was excellent last year. But one

539
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: of the reasons I was all in on Bucky was

540
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: I just didn't like Rashad White. I thought he was overrated.

541
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 3: He was a frozen pund running back. But he had

542
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 3: his most efficient season last year. He averaged four point

543
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 3: three yards per carry, by far his most efficient season,

544
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: and Sean Tucker, the third string back, was averaging over

545
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: six yards of carry. So it was just the entire

546
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: running game overall improved under Cohen. So that's why I just, however,

547
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: this running back depth chart shakes out. I think this

548
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: is going to be valuable no matter what, because I

549
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: think that he is going to kind of also unlock,

550
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, the rushing up side of this team too.

551
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: So I'm with you on Tooton. I think he's definitely

552
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: a really good rookie running back. He's in a really

553
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: good situation where he could become the starting back without

554
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: any injuries. So I just think overall, he really lifted

555
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: that entire Buccaneers rushing offense last year as well.

556
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm with you.

557
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: I think you know what's gonna end up happening is

558
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: if the more than Touton height kind of rose leading

559
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: into the season, the more Etn Bigsby are going to

560
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: fall down the ranks. And I think right now, you know,

561
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: I have them ranked a little conservatively, the you know,

562
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: Bigsby and Etn, because I do think one of them

563
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: could potentially be traded or moved in some fashion. But yeah,

564
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: if we're into the season and those are the three

565
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: running backs, I do take that entire backfield could end

566
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: up being undervalued, especially in best ball, because in redraft,

567
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: you're still it's gonna be tough to know when to

568
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: start guys, and you're probably just gonna want to take

569
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 2: the upside shot on a guy like toot and if

570
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: he's not too you know, cost prohibitive. But in bestball,

571
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: you're right, you could get ETN, you could get bigs B.

572
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: You know, BIGSB could be the go on back perhaps,

573
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, things like that. So yeah, I'm really high

574
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: in this offense and I really like what what what

575
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: Colin's doing and what he did in Tampa. And you know,

576
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: there was this thing rumor going around that oh it's

577
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: not a rumor, it was confirmed, but like Bill Belichick

578
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: had this like book of secrets that ended up getting

579
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: like passed around among like all the coach is in

580
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: the McVeigh tree, and uh, you know a couple of

581
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: years ago, and it kind of kind of coincides with

582
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: like the decline of Belichick in the rise of like

583
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: all these guys in the you know, really in the

584
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: McVeigh tree kind of just going out there and crushing

585
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: even more. So, Yeah, it's I think I think this

586
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: guy's legit, and I think, uh, I think the Jags

587
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: and Lawrence. I think Lawrence makes a jump this year.

588
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: Really similar situation in Mayfield. You know, former number one pick,

589
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: under under underachieved and kind of in those mid tier

590
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: quarterback two ranks that could just really make a jump.

591
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: So uh, just love the Jags offense and any any

592
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: thoughts on you know, Tampa Bay now goes another another

593
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator, John Grizzard, and you know this is

594
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: now their their third in three years with with Mayfield

595
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: because he had Canalist. But any thoughts there just because

596
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: you know, Bowles is a defensive coach. He's not He's

597
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: impacting the the offense really, but so uh any thoughts

598
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: on on coin Weaving.

599
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they keep cranking out the next like great

600
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: offensive codinators there, right, like Dave Canal Slack, I thought

601
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: there might be a drop off and it was Liam

602
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: Cohen there. So I think John Grizzer, the more I

603
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: look into him could be the next, you know, really

604
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: good offensive coordinator there. Last year he worked under Cohen,

605
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: so they're hiring within. That's going to help, you know,

606
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: have some stability here. But one of the responsibilities he

607
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: had last year was strategizing third down situations specifically, and

608
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: the Bucks led the entire league with the fifty one

609
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: percent conversion rate on third down, So that was Grizzard's

610
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: you know, main job and he was the best in

611
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: the league at it technically speaking. So I think that

612
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: this offense should be pretty much the same as it

613
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: was last year, you know, a really good offense led

614
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: by somebody that's kind of familiar with the scheme. So

615
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: just the more I've looked in the two Grizzard specifically,

616
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: the more I like, so I'm not expecting too much

617
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: of a drop off here at all. Similar to you know,

618
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: going from Canals to Cohen, it was a pretty seamless transition,

619
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: So I'm expecting some much something similar here as well.

620
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this Tampa Bay organization, I think it's it's

621
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: maybe not as recognized yet because it hasn't been going

622
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: on for quite as long. But if you look at

623
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: a team, you know, everyone kind of says the Ravens,

624
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: you know, they're an example of a well run organization.

625
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: The past Steelers, the Bucks could be going toward that

626
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: with you know, Jason why a GM that year, they

627
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: you know, they've just been making the right moves.

628
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

629
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: They go out and get Brady and they win the

630
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and then they haven't failed to make the uh,

631
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: the the playoffs since then. Like they you know, they

632
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: they they weathered like the Brady down, the Brady down year,

633
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: they weathered the switchovers, and you know, they've just been

634
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 2: a consistently good franchise pretty much ever since they you know,

635
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: they they got Brady, so like that they they're just

636
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: making the right moves to your point, Uh, personnel wise,

637
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: seems like in terms of the front office as well.

638
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, really don't don't have too many worries about

639
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: the Bucks. Maybe some minor things kind of get switched,

640
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: but they look like they're kind of taking the same approach.

641
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: You know, go out draft a BUKA wide receiver who

642
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: can very solid guy, great run blocker, first round. Uh,

643
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: in what was considered a weak draft overall. Is you

644
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: know what, let's let's just go get our get.

645
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: It, get the offense. Uh, and improved even more so.

646
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, not not too worried about a fall off there,

647
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: but really excited about what Coan could do in Jacksonville.

648
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the one you know everyone's talking about,

649
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. I think Cone to the Jaguars could end

650
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: up being the biggest move of the offseason.

651
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, a few more.

652
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: We don't have to go as deep on some of these,

653
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: but uh, there's still noteworthy. We've got Pete Carroll coming

654
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: over to coach the Raiders after you know, getting canned

655
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: by Seat and being in retirement for a year and

656
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: chip Kelly.

657
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's coming over as the OC.

658
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: Now, at one point everyone chip Kelly was like the

659
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: most exciting OC in the league. Now, you know, I

660
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: mean he had that bad season in San Francisco. Cap,

661
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: What are you any thoughts here on chip Kelly's offense

662
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: with the Raiders. I mean they do have some some

663
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: high upside talent pieces.

664
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, he's been much better as offensive

665
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: corner than head coach. He had that one season in

666
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: San Francisco. It was a disaster, but you know, I

667
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: like him here. I don't know if like he's going

668
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: to be as fast paced as he would as he

669
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: was with the Eagles. I think that would just a

670
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: system thing because Ohio State had one of the slowest

671
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 3: paces last year, So it remains would be seen how

672
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: he's going to plan on handling that. I don't think

673
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: it really matters. I think we're still drafting brock Bauers

674
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: and Ashton gent no matter what. Although I did see

675
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: I guess chip Kelly told jent T to stop doing

676
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: his stance, which is really weird. Why why you would tell, uh,

677
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: you know, your six overall pick to change how he

678
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: sets up pre snap.

679
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: Uh.

680
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 3: So that's interesting something to monitor, I guess. But yeah,

681
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: I'm not really changing too much. I will say it

682
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: is still interesting to me that they they still have

683
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: a very talented backup tight end now and Michael Mayer.

684
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: Uh and now they have Brock Bauer. So you know,

685
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: are we going to see more two tight end sets

686
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: next year? Who knows? You know, Zach Besh is you know,

687
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 3: going to be exciting rookie. He kind of operates as

688
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: a tight end. So it's just going to be interesting

689
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: to see how Chip Kelly sort of structures his offense. Uh,

690
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: you know with Brock Bauers, Michael Mayer there and now

691
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: Zach Besh Jack Besh so sort of like you know

692
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: how he's going to set this up. And they have

693
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers there. So there's a lot of mouse to

694
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: feed in this offense. And I think Ashton Genty will

695
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: be a workhorse from day one. I think Pete Carroll

696
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: is gonna want to run it a ton with him specifically,

697
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: So I think this is all great news for Ashton

698
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: gent getting just a massive workload as a rookie, but

699
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: this is one of the most hilarious coaching duos, you know,

700
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: to begin the season. I think, you know, it's gonna

701
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: be fun to see them in Vegas, you know, with

702
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: Brady there and everything. But I'm not making too many

703
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: drastic changes. I think brock Towers is still gonna be

704
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: elite tight end and gent will be you know, high

705
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 3: in RB one. I don't think we need to, you know,

706
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: make too many Justice base on Chip Kelly, you know,

707
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 3: moving there.

708
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

709
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 2: I mean the thing with like the two tight end

710
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 2: sets is a lot of times it doesn't really matter

711
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: because brock Bauer is really a slot receiver. So whether

712
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, they're calling it to tight end

713
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: or he's just essentially the third receiver, you know, or

714
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: the slot receiver in the offense. I think Beash is

715
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: gonna play a lot, I think, and you I mean,

716
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: they they they moved on from DJ Turner, who played

717
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: a ton of snaps for them as their number three

718
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: last year. So either way, I think you're gonna see,

719
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: you know, Powers get the same amount of snaps. I

720
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: think you're gonna see Besh very involved in the offense,

721
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: just you know, looking at where they drafted him, and

722
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: the fact that they did move on from from Turner.

723
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I.

724
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: Don't I don't think there's too much else we can

725
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: glean from that. But you're right, he used to be

726
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: known as the pace guy. Now now it's actually uh

727
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: a guy who wasn't Philly Kellen Moore. I mean he

728
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: they've been running a pretty high paced offense everywhere he's gone.

729
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: Uh he ends up going to New Orleans as the

730
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: head coach there and play you know, Kubiak, it ends

731
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: up going to Seattle. So but this Saints offense, it's

732
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: gonna change now with with Kellen Moore.

733
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: You know, Derek Carr is retired.

734
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: Uh so this is kind of almost like a blank

735
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: slate Saints offense.

736
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: I even you know, you're hearing the Lave trade rumors

737
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: as well, what are you? What are you? What are

738
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: you kind of doing with the Saints here?

739
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of kind of question marks

740
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: even about the personnel heading into the year.

741
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a tough team to project just overall.

742
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: And I like Kellymore. I think he's always performed well

743
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: wherever he's gone, So you know, I think he's going

744
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: to get the most out of this offense. But what

745
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: that looks like, I have no idea yet. I mean,

746
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 3: it sounds like it's going to be a three way

747
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: battle for the Week one starter, at least that's what

748
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: Kella Moore is saying. You know, I think Tyler Shuck

749
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: is probably the favorite to be the Week one starter,

750
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: which I don't know if he's going to be able

751
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: to maximize his offense as a rookie. You mentioned like

752
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: Chris o'laves on the trade block, a lave you know,

753
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: he's also dealt with a ton of concussions. I'm very

754
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: worried about him if he does get another concussion, if

755
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: if he's going to get shut down for quite some time.

756
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: Just a really tricky player to project. You know. Kell

757
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: has done a great job with you know, his top

758
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: receivers featuring them in the slot with you know, Keenan

759
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: Allen the Chargers, moving DeVante Smith in the slot with

760
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: the Eagles. So I think like Olave could break Olive,

761
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: he's already broken out, but he could be fantastic in

762
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: the scheme, you know, moving around the slot. But just

763
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: his health remains to be seen. And again he might

764
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 3: get traded. So who the hell knows. But this this

765
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: team is kind of a mess to project. But at

766
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I think Kellen Moore specifically,

767
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: we'll get the most out of it. Just what that

768
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: looks like this this early in the offseason remains to

769
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 3: be seen, though.

770
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely got a kind of I

771
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: guess you could call it a tough job in front

772
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: of him. I do think Shuck is the like the

773
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: intended Week one starter because you don't draft him that high.

774
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: He so he was, you know, for people don't know

775
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: he's the oldest quarterback, you know. But that also a

776
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: lot of people considered him the most pro ready, you know,

777
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: out of those guys after you know, a guy like

778
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: cam Ward who ends up going number one, and that

779
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: kind of played out in the draft. I mean even

780
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: the Giants, you know, they have two guys supposedly in

781
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: front of Jackson Dart. Who knows if that's how it

782
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: ends up week one. But I don't think he draft

783
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: Shuck in the second round. He's what he was looked

784
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: at as an overdraft compared to most big boards if

785
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: you don't intend for him to start. So I do

786
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: think he'll end up starting in uh you know, they

787
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: bring over Brandon Cooks from from Dallas, so maybe, you know,

788
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: maybe that's another guy who's more involved in than we think.

789
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: I know, he's getting older, but if is on the move,

790
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: it's gonna be Cooks and probably Rashid Shaheed, So it

791
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: could be it could be an interesting offense. Just you

792
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: might get some some spike weeks from Cooks and some

793
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: spike weeks from Shaheed. And uh, you know, there's no

794
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Taysom Hill to kind of rob Alvin Kamara.

795
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: Of uh of goal line work.

796
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: It looks like because he'll I mean he probably he'll

797
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: probably missed the whole season. It sounds like it doesn't

798
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: sound like he'll he'll be back that fast because he

799
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: got hurt near the end of last year. So yeah,

800
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: I think I think this is one to watch. But

801
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: the main thing is, uh yeah, it's probably going to

802
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: be just a new look offense. Could be more paced,

803
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: less less tight end two tight end sets and things

804
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: like that. So we got with more going to New Orleans.

805
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: We've got a new offensive coordinator in Philly. I don't think,

806
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, Kevin Petulio. I don't think that's gonna be

807
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: a big change.

808
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean Jalen Hurts. See if to have a new

809
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: guy every year.

810
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: They got in in New York though, I think, you know,

811
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: speaking of these Green teams on the East, Aaron glenn

812
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: uh and then Tanner Enstrand, you know he's a he's

813
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: a former Lions guy. Any any thoughts on that offense,

814
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: you know, Justin Fields, it's kind of the guy they're

815
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: going forward with. They you know, Devonte Adams moves on.

816
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: They drafted a tight end high. So this is another

817
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: one of those offenses that could look very different from

818
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: how it looked last year, even her rumors about britst

819
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: Hall getting a detrease in workload and or being on

820
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: the trading block.

821
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: Thoughts on the Jets.

822
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Insran's coming over from the Lions. I

823
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: mean he was the Lion's pass game coordinator, so that's

824
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: that's exciting stuff. And Aaron Gun's bringing him along. But

825
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: I don't think that means that the Jets will now

826
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: be the Lions of the East. I mean, Justin Fields

827
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: is a completely different quarterback than Jared Goff. So I

828
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: think we're gonna see, you know, Justin Field's running at

829
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: a ton, scrambling a ton, So not too much to

830
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: get excited here. And yeah, if Breese Hall ends up

831
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: in some sort of committee, that's that's a huge hit

832
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: to his stock. I mean, this offense is really just

833
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson. That's really the only guy that you should

834
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: be targeting in Breese Hall. So this is a situation

835
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: where inkraand might be talented and get the most out

836
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 3: of this offense. But I just don't know if there's

837
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: too much more to take out of this offense, So

838
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm not making two bigger changes to it. I think

839
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: this is good for justin fields, you know. I think Fields,

840
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: as long as he's healthy, could start most games. And

841
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: you know, you and I were always pretty high on

842
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: him when it comes up weekly projections due to his

843
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 3: rushing upside, So I think, you know, he has Q

844
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: one upside as long as he can stay healthy. So

845
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: when it comes to Jets offense, there's not much to

846
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: like here other than you know, Garrett Wilson in my opinion.

847
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Entran was in Detroit for a while,

848
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: you know, as you know, different roles since twenty twenty

849
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: on the offense, so I mean he was there for

850
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: that weird Breis Hall kind of falling not excuse me,

851
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift kind of falling into.

852
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: A three way committee.

853
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: He was there when they drafted Sam Laporta, So I mean,

854
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: these are things you could you got to kind of

855
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: keep in the back of your mind when it comes

856
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: to Breeze Hall, when it comes to Mason Taylor, the

857
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: rookie tight end, you know, I think he could, especially

858
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: for best ball.

859
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: Be be an asset.

860
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: So there there's gonna be a lot of kind of

861
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: open open spots for for touches and targets and things

862
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: like that in this offense with them really revamping the

863
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: pass offense. So uh, it's definitely an offense to watch.

864
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, Justin feels a lot more scrambling. I think

865
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 2: he's he's a high upside. I mean, he has that QB,

866
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: you know, top five overall any given week upside, So uh,

867
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: definitely don't want to sleep on him. And yeah, I

868
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: think the fact that what they did in the offseason

869
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: kind of moving on from Rogers and rolling with Fields,

870
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 2: and I think they're gonna take take their chances that

871
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: next year they can draft a quarterback if they're terrible.

872
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: So Fields probably does make all the starts, So you know,

873
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: like him as well, uh, Dallas. I mean Schottenheimer takes

874
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: over from McCarthy. Any quick thoughts on that one.

875
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: Not too much. You know, it's another internal higher so

876
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: I'm I'm pretty sure they're gonna try to keep things

877
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: fairly stats call, though you know, Schottenhammer does like to

878
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: run the ball uh a bit more. And I thought

879
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 3: it was interesting, you know, they brought in the offensive

880
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: coordinator Clayton Adams, who's not gonna be calling the plays,

881
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: but he was the Cardinals offensive line coach. And I

882
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: mean the Cardinals offensive line definitely played well last year.

883
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: They were excellent running team. They had the second highest

884
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: rushing yards per play. So I think they're they're looking

885
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: to to improve this running game, although they didn't really

886
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: address it in the draft until much later with Jayden Blue.

887
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: So this is just one more piece of Jaden Blue

888
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: propagandas I think they're they're gonna want to run the

889
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: ball a little bit more this year, and I think,

890
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: you know, someone like Clayton Adams could help, you know,

891
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: give this running game a boost. So that's that's one

892
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 3: of the takeaways I've taken from that specific signing. But

893
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: I think, you know, adding George Pickens was also an

894
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 3: interesting move, you know, giving you know the the Cowboys,

895
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: you know, another legit receiver to kind of take attention

896
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: away from c Lamb. But it has been interesting to

897
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: just see the falloff of a ton of former Steeler

898
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: receivers that go to another team. I think Pickens is

899
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: talented enough to kind of buck that trend. I know

900
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Sanders is one of the outliers of that trend

901
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 3: as well. But what are your thoughts on just George

902
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: Pickens in this offense and how that looks and if

903
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 3: you're putting any stock in the like you know, the

904
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: Steelers receivers drop offs on new teams when it comes

905
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: to Pickens, I don't think it's.

906
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: It's I'm not putting too much stocking to drop off specifically,

907
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: just because the Steelers tend to get guys that they're

908
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: really good at drafting, and they tend to get guys that,

909
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: like the Steelers are just overachievers at drafting, guys who

910
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: then maybe regress a little bit to their mean.

911
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: But we kind of know the talent.

912
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: We've seen the talent from a guy like Picking, So

913
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: I think it hurts ferguson the most because Ferguson was

914
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: a guy that you know, he would play pretty much

915
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: every pass snap, run a route about eighty percent of

916
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: the time, and be targeted US twenty percent of those routes,

917
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: and I think that could drop. You know, he'll probably

918
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: be the number three option. But you know, as far

919
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: as addressing the run game, I mean you could say

920
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: they addressed a run game in around one going with

921
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: the Booker out of Alabama for the interior line. They

922
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: also get Phil MafA out of Clemson late another big back,

923
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: so that backfield could look completely different this year. I

924
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: think that's kind of the intent. They let Rico Dowdle

925
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: go to Carolina, so yeah, the backfield could look different.

926
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: But I do think, yeah, Jayden Blue is a guy

927
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: that's gonna play sooner than later. I mean, you're competing

928
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: with Sanders and Javonte. I think Whipkey probably ends up

929
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 2: maybe maybe sticking around. I mean, Shotenhaimer's offense is usually

930
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 2: i've had a fullbacker, though the Cardinals really didn't use one.

931
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: I think maybe they use like a defensive player on

932
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: some snaps as a fullback, so that'll be interesting, but

933
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: nothing major for fantasy. But yeah, I think Pickings. I

934
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: still have him kind of flow in wide receiver three

935
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: as you know, probably what Brandon Cooks kind of looked

936
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: like that first year in Dallas. Like, I don't think

937
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll be every week consistent guy necessarily,

938
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: but the upside in best ball, like you're you're definitely

939
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: targeting that because he has that that top five receiver

940
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: upside every given week. So and and and you know

941
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott, I think returning, you know, that's that's that's

942
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: a positive.

943
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: We've seen Dak put up some really.

944
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: Good UH seasons as well, so he might be you know,

945
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: if those guys stay healthy, he could he could end

946
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: up putting up a really good season even though he's

947
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: not running. He's not gonna run the ball like he

948
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: was earlier in his career. A couple more UH Houston

949
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: Texans go from Bobby Slowick to Nick Kayley. I mean,

950
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: this is one where we probably it's the rookie receivers

951
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: we should probably take note of, you know, Higgins and

952
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: Noel because you know, they they really get a new

953
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: OC and they they revamped that that receiving corp.

954
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on.

955
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: Them, Yeah, I think that this could help you know CJ.

956
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: Shroud bounce back in year three, you know this is

957
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: gonna be uh. You know, Kaylee's from the Sean McVay

958
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: coaching tree. You know, he's spent the last couple of

959
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: seasons as the Rams tight end coach past game coordinator.

960
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: So I think that's gonna help get some more most

961
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: pre pre stat motion. You know. They they you know,

962
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: revamped the offensive line a bit. I think just giving

963
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: CJ around more time, more options. I think he's gonna

964
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 3: have more freedom at the line of scrimmage to change

965
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 3: play calls, so that that could make them more pass heavy.

966
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 3: We'll see, but I think that this is going to

967
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 3: help c J. Stroud and I love the fact that

968
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: they did. You know, they brought in Christian Kirk. They

969
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: drafted two rookie wide receivers. They need depth because unfortunately,

970
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 3: it sounds like Tank Dell's probably not going to play

971
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: this year. They lost Digs obviously, but in Stroud's first

972
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: two seasons, he's just been dealing with injury after injury

973
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: at the wide receiver room. So they need to just

974
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: make sure that they have depth there to help prevent

975
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: too much of a drop off. If anybody goes down.

976
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: So I like what they did there. But I think

977
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: Schultz is a is a winner too in this because

978
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: you know they're probably gonna run a lot of eleven personnel.

979
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: But you know, Kaylee was a tight ends coach, so

980
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: I think he is going to scheme up you know,

981
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: a lot of plays to Dalton Schultz, So Dalton Schultz

982
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: could you know, potentially hit you know, a low end

983
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: tighten one status. But I think overall this is probably

984
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: good for J. CJ. Stroud that just had a disastrous

985
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: second season. I think you can blame a lot of

986
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: it on the offensive line, but I think either way,

987
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 3: shaking things up and bringing Kailey in I think will

988
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: help Stroud with a bounce back this season.

989
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it's it's a really high

990
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: upside move for the Texans offense. I agree with you

991
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: on Stroud and these McVeigh guys. You know, they they

992
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: do tend.

993
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: To have a lot more receivers on the field, a

994
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: lot more eleven personnel, so and they also tend to

995
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: find these middle round receivers and get the most out

996
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: of them early, kind of like the Steelers were used

997
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: to do.

998
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at guys that Cup Nakua with McVeigh,

999
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: you know, Cone and then go you know McMillan last

1000
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 2: year in Tampa Bay. So Higgins and Noel, I think

1001
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: a lot of upside there, especially Higgins being drafted around

1002
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: two and uh and Christian Kirk you know, I mean

1003
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk coming and play like the Cooper Cup role

1004
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: in this offense. So uh, yeah, a lot lots of

1005
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: like I think with the passing game there for for Houston.

1006
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

1007
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: And then Quin Kubiak mentioned him, you know, he was

1008
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: with the Saints, goes to the Seattle Seahawks, uh, and

1009
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: he takes over for Grubb. The thing I think is

1010
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: interesting about him is he had you know, he he

1011
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: kind of was there for you know, the Taysom Hill

1012
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: experience last year, and now you've got mill Row. So

1013
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: I mean I think maybe that's something you could see,

1014
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: but I did see that there they do plans and

1015
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: bring over that you know, a lot more tight ends

1016
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: uh in Seattle this year, which kind of explains going

1017
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: out and getting a guy like a Royo in the half.

1018
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: So any thoughts here on this Seahawks offense. Probably a

1019
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: new look offense with Kubiak.

1020
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely a new look offense. And you know that

1021
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: if you remember, the Saints offense was amazing to start

1022
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: last year. Everybody was talking and being, you know, potential

1023
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: Super Bowl caliber team and then it just went to ship.

1024
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 3: They were completely decimated by injuries and you had Spencer

1025
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: Ratler throwing it to bub who was above mains Mason Tipton,

1026
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 3: Kevin Austin Junior.

1027
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so it's hard to value Kobyak

1028
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: at that point.

1029
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: But when everybody was healthy, it was, you know, they

1030
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: were overachieving. So I think he could, you know, lift

1031
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: up the Seahawks offense. Although it's a completely different look,

1032
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: you know, you have now you have Sam Darnold and

1033
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup so different pieces there. But you know, this

1034
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: is a team that you know, I like both running backs.

1035
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: I think Kenneth Walker went Hellalee could be better in

1036
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: this scheme. You know, they threw to the running backs

1037
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: a lot. Of course it was Alvin Kamara, but still

1038
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: you might see more design screen passes to running backs.

1039
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: So I think Kenneth Walker gets a bump and obviously

1040
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: my favorite running back in the league, Zach Sharboney gets

1041
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: a bump, as you know, a handcuff back because anytime

1042
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: that Kenneth Walker's out, I think sharbon as you know,

1043
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: top five type back. So I think investing in both

1044
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: backs in best Ball makes a ton of sense. But

1045
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: you know, Sam Darnold, he is kind of risky. You know,

1046
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 3: we don't really know what we're gonna get on this

1047
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 3: new team, in this new scheme, so he's kind of

1048
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 3: the wild card in this. He really needs to hit

1049
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 3: for this to work. So I think he's really the

1050
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 3: key when it comes to this. But when it comes

1051
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: to the coordinator, I think Clint Kubiak has proved that,

1052
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: you know, he's a pretty good coordinator with the talent

1053
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: that he has.

1054
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, I think that it's definitely one to watch.

1055
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just excited about a guy like Milroll because

1056
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: of Kubiak, just because you know, that's the way he

1057
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: kind of used tasting there, and you know, maybe that

1058
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: means less goal wine work for the for the two backs,

1059
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: that is something. It's a factor, and but uh that

1060
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of how I'm looking at that one.

1061
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of the other pieces kind

1062
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: of you can kind of see where they're going there,

1063
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: like maybe uh, you know, they're like a deep play,

1064
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: deep ball shot team with a guy like m vs

1065
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: or or the rookie they drafted, and the rest of

1066
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: the time, it's gonna be a lot of JSN Cup

1067
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: underneath things like that. But some other minor wants to

1068
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: note the Niners have an offensive coordinator for the first

1069
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: time in a while, Quake Kubiak another Kubiak.

1070
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: Uh is there, but still gonna be Shanny's offense.

1071
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 2: You got Stefanski kind of implementing his own offense there

1072
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 2: and in in Cleveland, though Deshaun Watson's out of the boot.

1073
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: We just we just saw some who knows what's going

1074
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: on there. But I mean, until we know who's gonna

1075
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Speaker 2: be the starter, I don't think it can make too

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Speaker 2: and the Giants. You know, Gable hasn't said whether he's

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