WEBVTT - Bad Moms 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.680 On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.760 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:12.160 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and Best 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:20.600 start changing it with the Bell Cast. Hi, mommies, how's 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:26.360 that good? That was great? Mommies. Welcome to the back 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.200 door gass mommies and non mommies. But you know this week, 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.320 mommy has come to the front of the line. That's right. 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:38.200 I make no mistake, not just good mommies, but bad 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.360 mommies to bad mommies as well. Welcome bad mommies to 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:47.519 the bad Mommies episode of UM. I was almost gonna say, like, 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.960 this is how traumatized I am at this point where 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.320 I was almost gonna say, like, Caitlin, we can be 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.880 bad podcasters, but you know that that's just giving an 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.120 asshole like a template of a mean iTunes review. So 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.960 I'm like, better not do it. Okay, So this is 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.399 this is our annual Mother's Day episode. I miss I 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.800 miss my Mom. Yeah, I miss my Mom. She's doing okay, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:13.280 although her health is not. She has lime disease I think, 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.840 and she has a lot of pain from that. But 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.399 then she's like well, what if it's COVID nineteen, So 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.400 no one knows anything. But my mom's health is a 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.880 little precarious at the moment, but I think she'll be fine. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.520 I think my mom Yeah, similar deal. My mom has 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.920 rheumatoid arthritis and it's been I think it's just like 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.760 if you already have chronic pain, being cooped up in 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.240 your house NonStop just doesn't do it any favors. So 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.399 like she and and she's also I'm shout out to 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.840 Jill because I'm pretty sure she's been a loyal listener 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:49.200 throughout the choir. Oh Jill, because she has been teaching 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:55.160 her second grade class still um through through Zoom through Zoom, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.320 which I'm like, I shout I mean shout out to 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.280 where this is a weird started the episode, but it's 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.400 a quarantine episode so that doesn't matter, but shout out 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.000 to like all the parents and teachers right now who 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:12.919 are making school happen over zoom. I truly cannot wrap 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.959 my head around that students too, Like it's just who 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.280 it's it's amazing. Not to brag or anything, but I 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.000 teach online screenwriting classes, which I always forget to plug 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.600 on the podcast. But if anyone's interested in learning screenwriting 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.760 from yours? Truly someone with a master's degree in screenwriting 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.600 that I absolutely hate to bring up. But um, I 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.320 teach classes through Zoom but I only have like a 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.600 cap it at five students per section and they're all, 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.520 you know, adults, so and I'm like, I can barely 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.120 handle that. Well, it's like that's the thing is, Like 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.320 I've been in our writer's room like during the days, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.640 and I'm like, I am an adult woman. Who I 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.360 It's so hard to pay attention. It's so hard. I'm like, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.120 why am I on eBay? Like I this is my job. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.440 I hope no one for I don't think that. But anyways, 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.440 I've been on eBay and I'm doing my job. But 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.760 I'm like on eBay so you know, we can all 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.800 be It feels good to be bad, the wise person 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.280 What's told me? Well, that's sort of the theme of 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.560 the movie. It feels good to be bad. And we're back. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.280 Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. This is uh, this is 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.919 if you're a new listener, what a weird start. This 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:37.440 is our podcast about the representation of female identifying characters 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:42.080 in movies. We use the Bechdel test as a jumping 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.119 off point for discussion. But what is the Bechdel test? Well, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.840 I asked myself each and every week. I'm happy to 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:54.440 answer your question. It is a media metric originally developed 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.600 by cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.520 and it requires ars that the narrative have two female 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:08.080 identifying characters with names who speak to each other about 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.080 something other than a man. And the specific metric that 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.880 we use is it has to be a two or 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:19.680 more line exchange of dialogue. And a lot of movies 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:25.320 cannot manage this simple metric. And interestingly, and we'll be 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.640 talking about this iconic duo. I mean when people say, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.560 like Caitlin and Jamie, name a more iconic duo, I 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:37.880 automatically say John Lucas and Scott More. Uh. But you know, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.919 many movies that the writers of this movie have have 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.040 written in no way past the Backtel test. We've got 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.359 a weird We've got a weird one today. There's pros 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:50.200 and there's cons, but we're here. There's discourse. I wanted 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.440 before we get into it, because it's where it's just 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.000 the two of us today. Um, So I was curious 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.080 I have. I've just been interested in hearing like other 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.480 podcasters that I listened to, just like, what is like 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:06.800 a thing in quarantine that you've gotten into, or like 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.479 a show or a thing that you're like. I have 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.760 been rewatching, Um a show that I really enjoy that 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.920 I had only seen once. But Over the Garden Walls. Oh, yes, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.719 you recommended that to me? Yes, I I can't recommend 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:26.120 it enough. It's short, it's fun, it's cookie um. It 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:29.400 was originally on Cartoon Network, it's on Hulu now. I 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.760 really enjoy it. Um so fun. Any any over the 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.240 Garden Wall heads out there, you let me know. I'm 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.560 going to recommend a show that I've been watching really 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.440 because I've also been like working three jobs in the core, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.960 which is like it doesn't make anything like it's very lucky, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.960 but it also is like just really fuss with your 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.919 head a little bit. But I watched the first season 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:57.200 of On Becoming a God in Central Florida, and it's 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:02.680 really good. Kirsten Dunst is gray nice and I love it. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.200 So that's our cor Rex. Yeah, cor Rex, let's talk 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.600 about bad moms. Let's do it. So, yes, we don't 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.960 have a guest today, but I did. I wanted to 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:17.200 get some you know, opinions of moms and whether or 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.719 not this movie resonated with moms. So, um, I have 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.240 a few little, you know, tweets to share and stuff 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.080 like that, mom tweets. What what was your history? Do 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.640 you have a history with this movie? Uh No, I don't. 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.719 I had never seen it, nor it's sequel A Bad 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.760 Mom's Christmas. Didn't. I just skipped them. I based on 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.600 what I knew about them when they came out and 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.840 like who was making them and stuff. I was like, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:49.839 I don't think these are going to be for me. Yeah, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:54.880 I was right, say not because of the premise, more 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.520 just because of the writing style and the like the 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.320 comedic sensibilities of these writers and stuff like that. I 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:06.240 just like the bloated big budget comedy genre asthetic, like 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.280 this specific aesthetic and like don't, I don't, it's not 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.600 even really I guess it's kind of a genre. It's 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.480 also not for me. Uh yeah. So this movie came out, 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.240 I mean fairly recently. I had seen I've seen Bad 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.800 Mom's Christmas. I watched it because Christine Baranski was in it, 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.360 and I didn't love the movie. But I did love 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.800 Christine Branski and and Susan Surrandon's in it. She's pretty, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.760 she's good in it as well. It's I honestly, I 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.560 will say I really preferred Bad Mom's Christmas to Bad 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.680 Moms Interesting. But I think that that might just be 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.080 because you get like twice the amount of twice the moms. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.680 Twice the moms. You have Cheryl Hines, Christine Baranski and 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.960 Susan Stain like those, they're all like, you know, knocking 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.200 it out of the park, even though the writing still, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:02.080 stay with me, stinks, But you have like twice the 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.040 amount of fun performances. So it's it just was more fun. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:09.120 But sure, yeah, I saw, I watched watched Bad Moms. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.800 I it's it's frustrating because it's like, and we'll talk 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.800 about this a lot, because it's like a really good 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:20.240 premise and like a really strong cast, and everything I 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.640 dislike about the movie has to do with the way 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.480 it's written and directed. And then when you're like, oh, 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.240 it was written and directed by the Hangover guys, of 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.160 course I don't like it. Yeah, So it's it's kind 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.080 of a bummer because I'm sure that it would have 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:39.080 been impossible to make this movie without their co signing 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.199 of it, which is frustrating in itself, and then everything 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.000 I don't like about the movie is them getting in 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.880 the way of a good premise and a good cast. So, um, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.480 I'm glad it exists, but uh, you know, generally was like, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.800 we gotta be able to do better in this come 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.400 on there, we most certainly can we and I think 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.880 that we have. That was another thing that before we 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.160 super jump into it, I did a little research, as 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.599 I've been known to do, wow brag perhaps some context. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:12.400 I was just looking into like where moms have been 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:17.480 represented in comedic movies, and there's really not that much. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.120 There is not a ton There's a lot of movies 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.160 that have moms in them but are not about moms. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.360 So it's like this movie was a huge hit. It 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.440 made a hundred eighty million dollars off a two million 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.560 dollar budget, So to me that indicates, you know, like 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.320 this is clearly a market. People want this movie, and 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:42.360 it was like reasonably well received. But yeah, because they're there, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.240 there's just not really moms represented as like a central 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.080 focus in movies where you do see a lot and 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.400 I think, like a lot better than what this movie 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.520 has to offer is there's a lot of TV that's 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.240 come out in the past couple of years that is 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:02.400 comedy focused around motherhood. And so it's just I hope 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.840 that and I mean, god knows how or if movies 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.600 will be made anymore. Um that this is the end 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.360 of the industry as we know it, probably, but it's 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.720 like Christine Baranski is going to be in like a 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.440 plastic bubble. You know, it's gonna be a whole thing. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.480 But but I hope that, you know, I was encouraged 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.520 at least to see. I mean, there's a ton of 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.720 comedy shows of all different like genres of comedy. There's 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.320 like network comedy, there's niche about mothers, but it just 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:35.400 is not represented in movies. So this is just kind 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:40.960 of like what there is right now. Wild But you know, 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.120 if you're if you're a mom looking for all, Um, 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.120 when this episode comes out, I'll try to do a 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.400 little thread of like TV recommended watching because it seems 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.840 like that's where the options are. Yeah, that'd be great. 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.800 And with that, should we do the recap and go 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.240 from there? Let's do it. So the story of bad 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.240 Moms bed Mummies. Um, we meet bad Mummy number one, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.839 although she's not bad Mummy yet. She's good Mummy. But 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.439 they're but they're they're bad. Sometimes they're all like good moms. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.880 But they also go through really long montage sequences that 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:18.840 I fast forwarded like shot truly, like we I can't 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.240 talk about visual jokes in the because I just and 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.760 they're all three minutes long. It's too every These guys 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.960 they just love a long, expensive montage and I just 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.280 don't care about it. That are like in slow motion. 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.920 There's like some you know, poppy bop in the background 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.640 and it's just like this, you get one of those. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.200 Don't have fourteen in your movie? Yeah, And like can 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.120 you be three characters that we at least know? Like there? 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:50.080 But by the time the first like at length cameo 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:51.680 comes in, I'm like, I think I know one thing 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.200 about Kristen Bell's character. How am I supposed to be 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.800 like reveling in this? Like wow, like you don't know? 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.959 You really only know? I would you really only get 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.400 to know Mila Kunas in this movie. I think you 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.920 know one thing about Kristin Bell, which is that her 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:11.520 husband sucks and that I mean that's just John Lucas 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.440 and Scott More No matter who they're writing for, they 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:19.959 only know how to write broad stereotypes for sure. So 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.560 you just don't get to know Kristin Bell and Catherine Han. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.600 You just don't. But first we barely get to know 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:31.400 Amy Mitchell. That's uh Mila Kunis's character. Were you were 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.400 you frustrated? Okay, so I'm sorry, I'm like this movie 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:39.000 was really Were you frustrated in the first scene where 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:43.160 they're introducing her, when she's like, uh, I sweat and 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.320 workout class and You're like, you're Mela kuni is. Give 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.720 me a break there, don't I don't like when movies 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.800 are like Melacunas is so awkward and you're like, no, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:13:03.440 she isn't she? I think she was miscast in this role. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.640 But also who would have been cast in a such 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.000 a broad stereotyped role like this? I mean, who would 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.240 this be good for? Really? I think Mela Conics is 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:18.240 so talented. We've seen her be amazing and I feel 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.720 like she is. Yeah, she is very miscast in this movie. Yeah, 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.160 so is Kristin Bell. I think that true. Like of 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:29.000 the main cast, I think that like Christina Applegate and 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.360 Catherine Han are pretty well cast, but it's only because 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.240 they're playing characters that they've been forced to play before 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.640 that are not fair to them. Where it's like, oh, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.080 Christina Applegates is going to play like an uptight, rude 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.200 person and she's been she's had to do that forever, 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.560 and like Catherine Hans going to play like a very 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:46.880 you know. It's like and I hope they had fun 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.960 and they did a good job, but it's even when 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.760 it's properly cast, her like this still is like not 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:57.839 very nice. I don't know. Okay, where were we we have? 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:03.360 We men ate me more egg. She's boring, she's she's overworked, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:08.120 she's underappreciated. She had her first kid when she was twenty. 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.480 She is now thirty two. She has two kids, Jane 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.400 and Dylan. Um, they do a bunch of extracurricular activities, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.480 but she's always trying to you know, make it to 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.600 like go to the you know events in the games 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.200 and the recitals and whatever. But um, she's always late 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.080 to everything. That's her thing. She's late to everything. She's 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.560 such a bad mom. She has a part time job 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:37.120 at a hipster coffee company, working in sales. I think 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.040 we'll talk about that but this is a piece of 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.880 WRITINGGG that is so like roll your eyes into the 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.560 back of your head, okay, boomer that I was so 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.520 annoyed by it, where it's like just clearly two out 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.800 of touch dudes being like millennials in the workplace. They 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.880 take two weeks off when John snow dies and you're like, 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.560 mel coolness is a millennia? What are you taught? Like? 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:07.080 They're they're so like avocado toe, like they're just they're stupid. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.760 They're stupid, and that anytime the workplace thing came up, 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.120 I was just deeply annoyed because it just made it 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:18.800 made no sense. It was very frustrating. Yes, but that's 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.840 her job, and um, she just always has so much 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.200 going on and she's worried that she might be a 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.240 bad mom. There's also this group of judgmental moments that 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.280 shame Amy for like having a job and being so busy. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.160 The queen bee of them is Gwendolen, which is Christina 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.560 Applicates character. And then she has two friends played by 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.800 Jada Pinkett Smith and Annie Mamlo. Give Jada Pinkett Smith 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:48.160 more lines what she was fairly a character. I want 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.440 to think best case scenario. There's like a whole like 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.960 there are scenes with Jada Pinkett Smith that just like 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.040 had to be cut for some reason because I'm just like, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.520 why would you go through the trouble of getting someone 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.760 who is like truly awesome in a movie where it 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.680 is like very very white and then get this like 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.760 iconic black actor and then give her no lines. It's 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:13.840 so it's annoying on many levels, truly, yes, uh. And 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:18.840 then like Annie Mamalo who co wrote Bridesmaids, like she's 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.320 just like pigeonholed into this like idiot type, but like 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.480 she's funnier than that, like give her opportunities to shine. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.120 And also well, that's like seeing Annie Mamalo in this 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.880 movie is super frustrating because you're just like, why didn't 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.320 you let her write this movie? Right? She's we like, 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.120 she's she is infinitely more qualified to do it, and 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.840 you're just gonna make her like again, another like very 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.240 talented person in this movie who has three lines, and 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.960 you're like, what, I hope she got a boat. But 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.520 like any Mamalo is a parent. She is the same 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.480 age as like the writer directors of this movie. She 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.200 already had Bridesmaids under her belt with this game out, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.560 Why couldn't she have written it like great questions, great 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.960 questions all around. It's it's be fuddling yep. Um, so 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.680 that okay. So Amy has a her husband, this guy 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:11.520 Mike infuriating storyline. Yes, um he his whole thing is 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.800 that he's pretty immature. He's kind of a doof he 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.760 like doesn't really do anything to help around the house. 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.240 And then one night Amy catches him masturbating to a 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.240 cam girl. Um, which she apparently has been doing for 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.240 ten months. So she kicks him out of the house. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.159 The next day, she has a terrible day. You know, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:38.840 she spills coffee on herself, she spills spaghetti on herself. Oh, 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:43.840 she's such a clutz, Caitlin, She's such a clutz. She's 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:49.360 such a bad mom. Her dog has vertigo because modern 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.640 parents be having vertigo dogs. You're like, I'm just like, 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.040 there's some things in this that You're just like, this 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.399 is more of a rich person thing. Dogs on vertigo 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.399 medication sounds kind of like a rich person thing. Uh. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.199 They're like there. I also, I mean, there is like 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.520 a storyline with the husband, but it was like another frustrating. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:15.119 I feel like the writer directors John and Scott are 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.040 are kind of like both cutting themselves like and telling 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.280 on themselves through the husband character, because it's kind of 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.880 like a character we've seen before of like, oh, he's 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.680 not a bad person, he's just like kind of a 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.959 du fist. He's just dumb. He would never hurt his 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.200 wife on purpose. I mean, I think it's like goofy 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.160 and fits the tone of the movie, but it also 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.959 just means like, oh, no, guy is gonna like super 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.439 recognize themselves in that character or interrogate anything about themselves. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.199 They're like, Oh, he's dumb, I'm an amazing husband, I'm 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:52.239 a good dad. That was annoying. So Amy has had 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.119 this horrible day, and at the p T eight meeting 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:00.159 that night, Gwendolen, who is the PTA president, is like me, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.240 you're on the like police force at the bake sale 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:11.240 or some poor just like she's a star. Why does she? 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:16.280 I mean yeah, but yeah, her her character is like 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:21.119 bitchy obstacle. So Amy is like, no, I'm not gonna 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.480 do your thing, suck it. I quit, And we're like 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.840 quit what being a mom? What's happening? So then, but 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:34.560 then she's like, yes, the Christie, I yeah, I like 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.960 the Another major writing flaw in this story is that 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:43.960 the writer's bravely instead of examining where do these pressures 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:48.679 on mothers come from, like what systems are enforcing it, 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.880 they instead make the reason that things are difficult for 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:58.240 all mothers be Christina Applegame. It's her fault that that 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:03.240 every modern mother fields pressure and feels insecure, inadequate, it's 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:09.240 actually Christina Applegate's fault. And by ruining Christina Applegate and 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.439 and by that, I mean to say, pit women against 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:17.800 women for really no reason. You can solve that. Yes, 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.240 But before all the really transpires, Amy decides to be 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:24.640 a bad mom. So basically she goes to a bar 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.520 to blow off some steam fun and there she sees 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:34.320 Carla Catherine Han's character, who is this horny, irresponsible single 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:40.119 mom type, and Kiki Kristen Bell's character, who is an 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.960 isolated stay at home mom with four kids and no 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:48.200 friends type. So you can see there's an attempt here 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.040 to show different kinds of mothers, but then the writing 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.639 doesn't really do anything to subvert or expand on those types, 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.720 and it just ends up being types exactly there's like 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:05.480 no nuance. They are these one dimensional characters. No thought 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.920 was put into them aside from just like identifying them 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.760 as these stereotypes and writing them as such. And it's 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.159 I guess to be fair is the wrong preface to 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.800 this sentence, but like that is all John Lucas and 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.800 Scott Moore know how to do with characters of any gender. 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.600 If you look at the hangover, you also see like 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:32.600 three types of bro that like they're not challenging in 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:37.120 their writing, um to put it lightly, and so yeah, 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.239 you just end up like it's nice that you have 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.400 three different types of mothers. You have like a working 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.600 mom in a relationship, you have stay at home mom, 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.800 you have a single mom. This all sounds like cool, 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.520 all right, different kinds of moms. Let's explore it. But 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.000 then we just don't explore it, and we kind of 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:57.000 just like that that they got to step one. So 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.560 at the bar they talk about how hard it is 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.760 to be a good mom in this day and age, 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.280 how there's so many rules and expectations to be perfect. 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:11.400 So then Amy is like, screw it, let's be bad moms. 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.280 Parentheses two thousand sixteen, written and directed by Josh Lucas 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.400 and Scott More. That's the name of the movie there. 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.080 That was when my boyfriend walked in during that scene 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.960 and it was just like oh boy, and then he 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.440 just like left after that line. He's like, I'm gonna 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:32.520 go get lunch yep. Um, all right, let's let's take 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:36.000 that moment to take a quick break because we're at 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.080 break time, and then we'll come back and keep going. 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.480 We're back, um okay. So the good moms have decided 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.960 to be bad moms. Now they're bad. They're bad moms. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.800 They said it. It was the end of the first act, 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.880 and we're like, all right, they are bad moms. They 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.480 get drunk at the bar, then they go wild at 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:05.720 the rosary store. The next morning, Amy is all hungover 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.280 from her wild night and her kids are like, what 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.040 the hick And she's like, I'm a bad mom. Now 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.919 make your own freaking breakfast. She takes her kids to 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:19.320 school and her husband's muscle car. She skips work and 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.679 goes to the movies in lunch with her new friends 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:27.040 Kiki and Carla. Then we've got the bake sales scene there. 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:34.200 Amy flirts with Jesse, this hot widower dad, but then 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:37.240 Gwendolen comes over and she's like, Amy, if you don't 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:41.120 stop being a bad mom, I'm gonna make your life 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:46.720 a living hick. Then a scene happens off screen where 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.520 Amy learns that her husband is staying with his internet girlfriend. 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.480 This information happens in a scene that does not play 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:57.280 out on screen, right, and then you're just like, h like, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.439 that's not good writing. It's not good writing. And then 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:03.240 I was just like, I also don't care, Like, yeah, 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.920 I don't care. I'm not rooting for them to get 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.359 back together, but I'm also not rooting for this random 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.320 widower character comes in. I like, it's almost like their 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.640 shoehorning or romantic plot into the movie where no one 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:21.040 cares about it and it doesn't really belong perhaps but anyway, 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.000 so um, this scene happens off screen. But then the 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:28.520 aftermath is Carla being like Amy, you need to get laid, 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.159 and she's like, yeah, I do. So the three of 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.679 them go out to a bar. But not only is 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.760 Amy a bad mom, now she's also a bad flirter. 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:43.680 She's bad at flirt montage. Yeah, another montage, another long, 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:49.000 horribly edited, might I say, montage showing her being bad 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:53.560 at flirting, but then Jesse, the hot widow or dad, 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:58.000 shows up and they start flirting and then they have 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.320 a little kiss a little and we're like, Okay, she 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.680 got what she wanted. I do want to talk about 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.880 that kind of romantic storyline a little later on UM, 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.960 because I there's some interesting things there. But anyway, so 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:15.160 the next morning, Amy wakes up to her husband having returned, 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.840 and she's like, get out of here. And we're like, 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.560 all right, he was a character for a minute. Yeah, 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.600 I wasn't sure, just because like they're not good writers. 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:26.679 I'm like, I wonder if he's just never gonna be 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.520 mentioned again. But he has mentioned again, but I still 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:32.400 don't care about him, So it just ended up kind 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.359 of being like a moot point. I was like, well, 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.960 I guess that that's what's happening, right. They could have 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:39.879 written him out if they wanted me to want to 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.600 see him, They could have written a better character. Then 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.679 Amy finds out that her daughter Jane got benched for 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:53.040 her soccer game because Gwendolen like blackmailed the soccer coach. Basically, 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.560 so Amy is like, okay, well then I'm gonna run 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.320 against you for pta president. And we're like, Okay, I 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.840 guess this is this the plot now everything. You're just like, 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:07.879 I know the shift because she says like, I'm going 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:09.920 to be a bad mom, and then she's like I'm 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:11.600 going to be the PTA president, and you're like, I 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.680 feel like these goals are at odds with But when 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.240 she says she's going to be a bad mom, she 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.400 doesn't really this is just like it's it's I mean, 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:24.720 we're not moms. It goes without saying. But I was like, Okay, 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.240 she says I want to be a bad mom, but 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.119 I think that I mean, what she's actually saying is 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.439 I want to be a mom and my own person. 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:32.959 But like, why can't I just say that, Like I 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.919 know that that's not as punchy, but it's confusing for 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:37.320 her to keep saying I want to be a bad 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:41.320 parent when what what she means something like it still 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.359 is very clear that she like they all love their 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.639 children very much, but they're flawed people. So like that's fine, 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.080 you know, I don't get it. I mean, I get it, 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.399 but I don't like it. Like I want to be 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.280 a mom who doesn't have to live up to such 0:26:56.440 --> 0:27:00.199 rigid expectations and high standards. That are placed upon me 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.320 by society and the patriarchy. That doesn't fit in onto 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:08.080 a movie poster. But bad moms, when you say when 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.720 you say society and patriarchy, I think you mean Christina Apple. 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.480 Oh right, I'm so sorry. It was actually her. This 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.160 is all happening, So that's why we have to defeat 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:23.560 her in the election question mark unclear, unclear. It also 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:27.840 seems like she doesn't like, logistically, does Mila Kunas have 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.679 the bandwidth for this? Sure? Whole thing is like I 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.399 don't have bandwidth for anything. And then she's like she's 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.560 already too busy. The goal is she's like, I'm her. 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.879 She says she don't think she means this, but she's like, 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:41.640 I'm going to be a worse parent because I am 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:45.359 too bogged down with the expectations for work and parenthood 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.320 and all this other stuff. But then the focus shifts 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.399 and she's like, I actually want to take on an 0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:55.560 additional responsibility to prove something too that I don't know 0:27:55.640 --> 0:28:00.119 what it is, right, Okay, okay, just making sure at 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:07.520 what's happening is we don't make sense. Um. So, now 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.640 that she's running for pt president, she throws a meet 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:13.600 the candidate party that no one shows up to it first, 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.840 but then people start to arrive because they've got free 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.400 wine and it turns into this wild party. And then 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.160 Jesse shows up at the end as it's winding down, 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.399 and then they have a little kiss and a little 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:32.600 and they have a little sex and we're like yeah. 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.879 And then there's another scene where Amy's husband is back 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.120 again and they go to a couple's counseling with Wanda 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:46.480 Sykes again her talents are wildly underused. Yeah, I had 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:51.320 just watched, and this is like really embarrassing. I just 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:55.880 watched as a joke. We were doing her on Zeitgeist 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:59.280 Movie Club, which we've already done in this show, and um, 0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:03.080 listeners are will know we don't love it. We don't 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.920 love it. Um, But I watched. So I watched Jecksy 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:10.000 instead as a joke that Adam Divine movie. It's really bad, 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.640 and Wanda Sikes is also inevitably in that movie being 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.880 wildly underused. And so I was like, just two days 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:23.000 in a row of seeing Wanda pikes enormous talent just wasted. 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.360 I just I just hope that she's just like they 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.360 offered me so much money that I could not say, no, 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:33.080 I can't imagine that's true. Though it wasn't that big 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:37.240 of a budget. It was only what I was twenty 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:41.200 one million of the dollars. Oh fingers crossed hope, so 0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.520 let's headcanon. But yeah, she's very under You're just like, 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.560 this is a waste of Wanda Sikes. But I'm glad 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.680 she's there. Um, but she's like, wow, you guys should 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:56.400 just get a divorce, which is like, we know. It's like, uh, 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.400 this is all to say that we're reaching the low 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.800 point of the movie. Amy's marriage is crumbling. She gets 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.120 fired from her job that she has not been showing 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:08.080 up to and she's like, why are you firing me? Sure, 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.400 I've skipped work for the past week in a row, 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.200 but like, I don't get it. And then they're like 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:18.640 our avocado toast is dry and there oh god that 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:23.240 whole Yeah, so it's something. It's not her fault that 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:29.120 she didn't show up to work, it's Millennial's fault. What 0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:32.960 And then to top it all off, um Gwendolen has 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.800 planted weed and Amy's daughter's locker and gets her kicked 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:41.160 off the soccer team. So everything's just crumbling in Amy's world, 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.000 and her daughter gets really mad at her and calls herselfish, 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.240 and then she's like, I'm gonna go stay with dad. 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.200 So things have fallen apart. So it's the night of 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:56.000 the p t A election. Amy eventually shows up late 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:58.800 because she's always late, that sort of thing. She's not 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:02.720 like the other girls, and she gives this speech where 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.720 she's like, hey, most of us are bad moms and 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.480 that's okay because being a mom is really hard. Vote 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:15.000 for me, and everyone's like whoo. And she wins the election. 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.840 Then there's like a little bit of a reconciliation between 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.080 her and Gwendolen, her kids come back, she gets rehird 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:24.360 at work. The movie takes a very long time to end. 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.280 I was like kind of like, did you feel that 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.360 as well? We were just like the writing gets kind 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:34.440 of scattered in the second act, and then they still 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.400 managed to tie up every kind of random storyline they 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.640 had set up in the very long second act, but 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:43.240 it takes a while where they're like, Okay, there's a 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.280 climactic third act scene which is like the third act 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:47.840 he is, I don't even really mean this as a 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:49.440 bad thing, but you know, she goes up, she says 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.000 the title of the movie. She says the statement of 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.040 the movie, and everyone's like, woo who you win the 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.160 big game. But then it's like seeing where you find 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.360 out what happened with her and her kids, seeing you 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:02.200 find out what happened with the widow scene where you 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:06.400 resolved Christina applicate thing, scene where Katherine Han's character gets resolution. 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.520 You didn't realize that you were supposed to want. There's 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.520 just like there's like five Dano mont scenes that you're 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:16.120 just like, all right, listen, I don't know, I don't 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:20.200 like this movie very much. And then yeah, that's pretty 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.800 much it. And then we get this kind of like 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.160 not post credits, but like as the credits are rolling, 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.959 we get all of the the actors in the movie 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:33.440 just them with their moms in real life having conversations, 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.200 and we're like, oh, this is more endearing than the 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.320 entire movie. I was saying this before we started recording. 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:44.360 Katherine Hans mom is funnier than the whole movie. Katherine 0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.320 kept watching the scenes with Catherine Han and her mom 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:50.800 and Jada Pinkett Smith and her mom were so delightful. 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.160 I also think that Jada gets more screen time during 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:59.040 the credits than she does in the movie. I found 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:03.440 Kristen Bell's mom to be a little threatening. Um, it 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:05.680 was just like, something about Kristen Bell's mom is not 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.480 rubbing me the right way. Mela Kunas's mom seems like 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.760 a delight saying for Christine and Apple Game. That's my 0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:17.440 review of Everyone's mom. Something about Kristen Kristen Bell's mom 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.760 has a bit of a sinister energy. Can't quite place it. 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:24.360 Sure I see that. Yeah, well, let's take another quick 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.360 break and then we'll come back and really do a 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:36.480 deep dive and we're back. So we've been chatting a 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:40.240 little bit already throughout the recap of things that have 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:45.440 you know, bugged us. I think I just wanna start 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:50.560 out the official discussion by saying, um, like, I can 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:54.480 see why this movie would resonate with people, especially moms, 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.760 because it does a little bit to recognize how difficult 0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:03.760 it is to be a mom, how mothers are often underappreciated, overworked, 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:05.560 how they how they often have to do a lot 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:09.160 of the household and emotional labor to keep a family going. 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.719 And this movie is about a group of women who 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.160 are just fed up with those expectations. That are placed 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.640 upon them to be perfect moms, and then they say 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.320 fuck it to those expectations. Absolutely, Like I, I really 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:24.160 do appreciate that there is like and again, for movies 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:29.200 that have come out even remotely recently, this is the option, um, 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:34.360 a movie that expresses these like really commonly held frustrations. 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.360 So it's like, I'm glad this exists for that reason, 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.240 and and I'm glad that it like resident I'm interested 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.960 in your mom tweets yes, because yeah, this is the 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.680 only movie of its kind, for better and for worse. UM. 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.640 I'll read a few of the responses I got from moms, 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.920 and for our listeners who were moms, feel free to 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.520 reach out on social media and let us know how 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:01.640 much or how little this movie resonated with you, because 0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:05.160 we are very curious. UM. But anyway, here are a 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.359 few takes gave me that sweet mom intel. They were 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:12.360 a bit mixed, but basically my tweet just asked, UM, 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.359 are you a mom? Have you seen Bad Moms? Did 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:20.040 it resonate with you thoughts? One of the first responses was, UM, 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.319 I am a mom and I loved it. I also 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.239 saw it in a theater full of moms and it 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:29.080 was an awesome bonding experience. Another one said, big fan, 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.880 I relate to Mila Kunis and Catherine han U. My 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:34.800 husband left me for another woman, and I had to 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.160 struggle to figure out how to keep my household to 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.120 float with two kids aged three and five at the 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:44.600 time while shedding my wife slash mother identity and figuring 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:49.400 out who I was. Another response was saying that she 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.480 is a mom. She did not finish the movie. It 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:56.359 did not resonate with her at all, So again mixed responses. 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.120 I guess it made a lot of what you hear. 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.520 And then I think around the original coverage of this movie, 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:06.439 because this movie was reviewed mixed as well. UM, and 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.839 I was happy to see that a lot of the 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.440 reviewers of this movie we're not just women, but also 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:15.080 we're mothers, UM. And it seems like moms are also 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.239 split on this. But I mean, even the responses that 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.040 you've shared, and thank you too to those people for 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.200 for sharing UM, seems to indicate that like this is 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.880 the first time they've seen those kinds of problems represented 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.680 in a big movie and in a way that isn't 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:30.839 And and I think we've we've talked about this with 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:36.320 a number of different identities that are held primarily by women. 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.840 Of like, it's nice to see a mom struggling in 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.120 a way that isn't framed as like this is the 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.880 most tragic thing in the world. This is like and 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:46.759 then it's just a sad because I feel like there's 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.319 a lot of movies about like sad moms, but this 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:55.719 movie is about bad moms my Yeah, And and I 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.680 could definitely see how seeing this movie in theaters with 0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:04.600 other moms would be really cathartic and fun. Totally. I 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:08.520 just think we can do better, yes, for sure. And 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:13.919 that that's my thesis statement of the film, which is that, like, 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.440 it's a movie about being a mom and the pressures 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:19.600 of being a mother, and it's written and directed by 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.920 two sis hit men who are known for being cruel 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:28.520 to women. Yeah. Yeah, and I know that we we've 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.080 done research into what these guys were saying on the 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:36.000 press tour for this movie, which was like, look just 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:43.160 very like. My my suspicion going into researching the production 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:46.319 of this movie was that John Lucas and Scott More 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:51.600 wanted money, right, Okay, that is what a lot of 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:57.560 directors want, right, but by sixteen you can't necessarily just 0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.680 make another hangover. You can't like broke comedy is really 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.399 not as much in demand, you know, and and so 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.440 it just seems kind of like it just seems like 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.960 someone reached out and was like John Lucas got more. 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:14.000 Women are so hot right now, so we need you, 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:17.600 like don't don't like get out of your comfort zone 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:20.520 or anything, but we need a movie with some ladies 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:25.120 and no, you can't kill them. Uh, and it just 0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.080 it just feels like a studio note like it just yeah, 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:30.960 I have like I have some of these interviews, and 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.239 I like I want to play some clips from them 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.560 because they're so frustrating to hear these guys talk. It's 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.799 just I'm frustrated by them, Like they should have just 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.040 known better. They should have been like, well, we're not moms. 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.520 Why would we write a movie about moms? But what 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.440 if they done in their career that would indicate that 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.759 they would pass money on to a marginalized creator, Like 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:53.399 there's nothing that they've ever They got offered the money 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:57.200 and they took it, which also makes me very frustrated 0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.640 at the you know, the studio who was like, hey, men, 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:05.240 write this movie about ma, Like yeah, yeah, I am. 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:09.960 I am at least mildly encouraged and appreciated by Like, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.799 I guess that Kristen Bell had a lot to do 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.319 with this project existing as well from the research I've 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.160 done in the production. She was like, I think the 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.080 star attached that made the movie get made, and she 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.520 was the one that convinced me Lacoon has to do it. 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:28.280 And so there is like more women behind the scenes 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.960 of this movie then your average John Lucas got more movie. 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.920 But that's saying literally nothing. So well, let's hear a 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:40.000 little a few things they have to say, shall we know? Yes, 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:45.440 So this is an interview with the co writers and 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:49.160 co directors, John Lucas and Scott More about just sort 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:54.120 of their experience developing and directing Bad Moms. And here 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:58.399 are just a few choice quotes from them. I am 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:03.480 on a YouTube channel called film is Now Movie Bloopers 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:09.120 and Extras just to cite this source as properly as 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:13.520 I can. So here's the first clip. Uh yeah, well, 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:15.360 I think you know the movie. The genesis of the 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:17.920 movie was looking at our wives lives. We're both dads 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:22.000 and our wives or mom's and uh, seeing how intensive 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:23.800 world it was and how ripe it was for comedy, 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.600 and so we figured it was we've written our share 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.759 of exactly what you said, guys having a good time. 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:31.799 And we figured also we went to enough like mom 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.160 events that got a little off the rails that were like, oh, 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.239 this is like we're not actually entirely making this up. 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.640 This is something that actually happens, you know, the three 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:42.200 Martini play ate or whatever. It is not my wife, 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.040 by the way, she's a very well behaved but other 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.279 moms of course. But we just thought it was like 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.200 it was a world full of really intense social interactions 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:50.480 and it was just a world that was like sort 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:53.320 of hadn't been in our minds done to the to 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.919 the nth degree yet, and so we thought we could, Ah, 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.000 there it's very and I mean, and the quotes get 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.880 worse from this like it it just I really don't 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.360 like it. There. It's so I mean, it's like I 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.040 feel like that quote alone, just like you're like, yeah, 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:10.879 this was a studio note. They were asked to write 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.759 a movie about women. Uh, they asked their wives three 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:18.040 questions a piece and then just wrote the movie like 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:23.200 I and I really don't like this the like okay, 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.480 let me know if if I'm like getting off the 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.640 rails here. But I do feel like there is especially 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.120 in this genre, Like there's this repeated media narrative of 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.839 like women should be allowed to be raunchy too, and 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:40.439 like it just comes off a little like condescending, like 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.560 it's like, okay, well then like let them. And also 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:47.239 you don't need to write like there's just no I 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.879 hate I just there couldn't be two people I would 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:56.160 want behind a project about motherhood less men. I'll play 0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:59.880 a couple more little clips from this, but like, so, 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:04.360 there's this monologue that Amy Melakuna's character gives in the 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.960 movie when she's talking to her son about how her 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.160 son needs to do his own homework, and she basically 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.719 she's like, you're entitled, which means mommy and daddy have 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.560 been spoiling you, and now you think the world owes 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.680 you something, but it doesn't. And if you don't learn 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:20.480 how to work hard, now you're going to grow up 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.120 to be another entitled white dude who thinks he's awesome 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:26.120 for no reason. And then you'll start a ska band 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:27.800 and you'll be mean too girls, and you'll grow a 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.840 mustache to look interesting. But you won't actually be interesting, 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:32.880 and I'm not okay with that, so please do your 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:37.320 own homework. So she's like talking about basically the directors 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.000 of this movie who are entitled and think they can 0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.759 just do anything, but then they also like but then 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.120 they also do that thing where they make it sound 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.279 goofy and not like themselves enough that they just sort 0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:51.200 of managed to slip out of it. They're like, like, 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:53.480 I feel like that's the same the same issue I 0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.920 have with the way they wrote her husband, where um, 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.080 I agree with our listener that it's it's like there 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:03.000 is some visit ability and like a shitty husband that 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:06.880 cheats on their spouse with not a lot of guilt. 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:10.240 I mean, that's unfortunately a pretty common thing that happens. 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.319 But the way that they write the character makes it 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.200 seem like he's just not smart enough to be able 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.239 to be a loyal husband. It has nothing, It is 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:23.359 barely a reflection on his character, and and I feel 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.239 like that is a way that they let themselves and 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.960 other men off the hook by just writing a character 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.120 that really no one is going to see themselves in. 0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:33.960 And we've had this discussion in different genres to where 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:39.360 it's like we've had discussions about like when a man 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:41.600 is and I guess trigger warning, but like when a 0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:44.680 man assaults a woman in a movie, it's very often 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.200 by a character that is so brutally evil that no, 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.879 like no average person would recognize themselves in it, And 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.239 so then it just becomes like, well, what are you 0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:57.480 supposed to take away from that? You know, and this 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.360 is a much less version of that, But I do 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.520 think it is like kind of a flavor of like 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:07.080 these guys are not actually writing. The one thing that 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.480 they could do and use their lift experience to do 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:15.799 is right a dad character that isn't so ridiculous, and 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:21.959 they can't even do that just without getting like to like, oh, well, 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:25.320 I'm not like this, this guy's dumb. Like it's like okay, 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:30.400 but like they just can't self examine. Also John Lucas 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:35.040 being like my wife though she would never misbehave, she 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:39.360 is perfectly behaved, and it's like, did you miss the 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:43.319 point of your own shitty movie? Like it sounds like 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:49.240 based on like, uh, there there was a piece I 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:51.920 came across from I was just like looking through some 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.360 of the coverage in in both directions, the pro and 0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.839 con um from when this came out in and there 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.280 was a piece I found in late that I actually, 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.279 uh quite liked, and I thought it was someone who 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:08.680 like a writer named Alyssa Strauss who enjoyed the movie 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:12.160 but kind of had all of the same points that 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.880 we have about why it's like, well, this isn't really 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:16.799 She was like, it's a fun movie, but it's not 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:21.120 really like the mother's experience, whereas I just wanted to 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.239 share a quick passage from that that I think like 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:25.439 ties in a lot of things that we've been talking 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:29.560 about so far. Um, she says, in real life, a 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.719 harried mom like Amy seeking some relief would probably recognize 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:36.160 that her unhelpful husband and unrealistic boss are her main problems. 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.239 The annoying mom at school would be nothing more than 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.319 a pebble in her shoes, something that bothers her for 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.680 a moment but can easily be resolved. Personally speaking, I 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:46.040 know few moms who have been exhausted or wounded by 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:49.160 inter mommy tension. I asked other moms I know, including 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.240 those with office jobs and those who are their family's 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.239 primary caretaker, and they all felt the same. Moms are 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.480 not at war with one another. We concluded, and most 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.360 of us don't care about what parenting or employment decisions 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.960 other moms are making. We might become irritated with a 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.560 mom thinks she is better for making a particular decision, 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:06.799 But the crime there is hubris, not how they are 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.200 feeding their baby or how many extracurriculators their kid is 0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.720 enrolled in, which I feel like is a big flaw 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.560 of this movie, where it's like the way the problems 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:23.640 that Melacuna's character chooses to address versus what she doesn't like. Yeah, 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.839 they make the villain another woman we don't know very 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:32.480 well as opposed to any system that being her job, 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:36.040 which is like even that like gets conflated because of 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:39.480 the shitty writing where it's like with her workplace, it 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:43.800 would be very i think smart and the most logical 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:46.840 choice to make it a workplace that is not welcoming 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:51.239 to mothers. It's not offering flexible scheduling and and that 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.200 should be a clear but they don't do that. They 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.720 make it like, oh, these millennials and their coffee beans 0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:59.880 and their Game of Thrones, Like the problem is like 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.040 people who are five years younger than Mila Kunas. It's 0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:08.319 not the fact that workplaces are unwilling to accommodate mothers 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.279 and maternity leave and stuff like that. Like, yeah, it 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:15.200 doesn't even come it barely comes up, so that is 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:18.439 like conflated. And then the clear issue of like her 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.560 husband is cheating on her, she wants to divorce her husband. 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:26.879 It finally gets resolved way later. But men are not 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:32.280 like obstacles in this movie the way that other women are. Well, 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:37.160 that brings me to perhaps another little clip even all that, 0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.520 because it's like one of those media interviews where it says, 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:43.160 like John Lucas on why women should be allowed to 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.080 be raunchy. Even like the introduction to their clips is 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:49.120 pretty the movie doesn't really get into a lot of dating. 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.759 I mean consciously chose to like every time we felt 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:55.799 as guy writers ourselves injecting guy stuff in. We sort 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.520 of wanted to treat men in this movie a lot 0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.759 like how women are generally treated in guy comedies, which 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.400 is sort of like love objects and a little bit 0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:04.360 of comedy here and there, But we really want to 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:07.080 get it not about like the relationships, like the struggles 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:08.880 between moms and dads. This is a mom movie. This 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.719 is not a movie about the two things Okay, I mean, 0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.759 I don't even disagree that that's like a fun inversion. 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:20.640 But then it's like that sentence continues with like, also, 0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:22.400 I don't know what it's like to be a mom. 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.040 I didn't do a lot of research, and I don't 0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:28.040 know what I'm fucking talking about. So the whole movie 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:33.160 comes off a bit weird. There. They're so lucky they 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:37.600 had like three talented leads who are mothers to make 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:43.239 this movie remotely convincing, truly, and the writing doesn't do 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:48.080 them justice of what they are capable of. Anyway. Um, 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.759 here's another clip, and this is Scott Moore talking now. 0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:55.120 So so John may have said this, but we didn't 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:57.960 so much as write this script as listen to our 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:00.200 wives and the moms around us and write down they 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:02.520 were saying. And so really a lot of it is 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.560 just observing the moms around us and putting it into 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:07.400 a movie. And I have to say, you're talking about 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:09.920 sort of cutting loose. I know my wife would love 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.560 to cut loose every day, but there's so much responsibility 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:14.439 placed on her that eventually she gets to the today 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:16.319 and it's like midnight and she's got to go to bed, 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:18.920 and it's that frustration of not getting to do anything 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:22.600 that she wants all day, and so this movie is 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.040 what if she got to just like do whatever the 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:27.720 hell she wanted. Can we start like a go fund 0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.879 me for these wives? They're like, we need to get 0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:33.600 them out of there. There. The way they talk about 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:37.600 their wives is literally like their possessions, Like my, my 0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.000 wife would love to cut loose, but unfortunately I'm making 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:43.360 a ton of money like off of her experiences. So 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:47.839 I can't really like do much to contribute because I'm 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:51.160 writing bad moms, Like you're just like do you hear 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.000 your do you hear yourself? So and then I have 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:58.399 one last clip to share I know it's and then 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.719 and then I'm done. I'm promised. I think there are 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.799 less pressures and less expectations on fathers. It seems like 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:06.640 if you show up at an occasional soccer game, you're 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.600 a hero for being there. But moms sort of have 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:10.400 to be at every soccer game and make sure they 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.080 brought the treats and make sure the kids around time, 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.080 make sure they have all the gear and that they 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.040 have the shin pads. And there's just a lot that 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:19.480 I feel like our society has placed a lot more 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:24.719 pressure on moms to be perfect that dad's uh for 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.080 right or wrong, probably for wrong. Are just expected to 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.120 be at work and occasionally show up, but moms are 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:32.239 expected to do everything. I personally feel like I get 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:35.000 a lot more applaudits for doing very little, and my 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:37.120 wife does a lot and doesn't get very little and 0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:39.680 I do very little consciously. Uh no, but I think 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.439 there's I think that's we can get into a really 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:45.560 deep philosophical conversation to why it is. But whatever, whatever 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:47.040 it cause you want to point to it, it is 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.399 reality that moms are held to a far higher stand 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:53.480 and it's not there. Yeah, okay, but what have you done? 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:56.839 But what have you done? But what have you done? 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.200 You know? They just they're like, um, I think I've 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:03.560 heard of this thing called the patriarchy. Um I'm not 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.040 really sure what it does or who it is, but 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:11.640 it seems really shitty. I would be so pissed if 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:16.120 that were me. So I guess what I'm saying is, wow, 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:23.080 really sucks. And by these are the duface is who 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:27.000 tried to write like an empowering mom movie. Yeah they 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:30.400 did not succeed. Um that then that's all I have 0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:33.919 to say about it. They just did not succeed there. 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.480 I really hope that in a couple of years we 0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:39.560 like look back on this episode when eight I would 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:43.799 love around Like it's not don't misunderstand us. We would 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:49.960 love a raunchy comedy starring moms written by anyone else there, 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:53.879 written by like someone with experience, someone who has at 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:59.520 least researched like it just there couldn't be a more cynical, 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.600 like Hollywood choice for someone to be in charge of 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:06.759 this movie. It just shows a complete distrust in lit. 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.160 I mean, and having Annie Mamalo there really was like 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:11.600 a knife to the gut for me of like you 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:15.040 have cast someone in a shitty tiny roll of someone 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:20.920 who could be doing circles around. It's just ridiculous. Yeah, 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:25.200 and and especially because like to have these two men 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:29.920 write this movie about motherhood and it's like them being like, 0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:33.719 but like, you know, it's it's bad mums. It's mums. 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.640 Like what if mums could be bad and runchy and 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:39.400 drunk and have sex and like all this stuff, And 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.520 it's like, great, Yeah, that would be cool to see. 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:46.320 That would be a subversion of what we normally see 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.200 on screen. But like again, it always it just comes 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.759 down to, like, these are not the people to tell 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:55.280 this story, because these are guys whose comedy relies almost 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:59.919 entirely on punching down and writing dialogue. In a way, 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:03.319 it like I really don't like women. It's very like 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:05.600 Catherine Hans character, the way that she's always like, oh 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.839 my cooter, my couch, my pussy. You're like, that's how 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:11.719 fifty year old men talk about women. That is not 0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:18.280 how women talk about themselves, Like, unless there's something I'm missing, 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:23.880 but like, I've never known any one of my generation 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:27.080 or my mom's that has spoken of themselves in that way. 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.319 And my and that's not to say that my mom 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.040 and her friends don't talk about themselves in gross ways. 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:34.839 They do, but not, but they don't talk about them 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:38.239 So like I feel like there is this weird Sometimes 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:44.319 there are semi good monologues that I theorize were rewritten 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:46.440 later on because they're just like this is too. Like 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:50.560 Melacunas will occasionally have a good small monologue that is, yes, 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:53.440 extremely on the nose, but at least it's making a 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:56.120 competent point, like when she's at the bar and she's like, 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:57.960 there's so much pressure on this blah blah blah blah, 0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.600 like and you're just like, okay, yes, I agree with this. Cool. Nice. 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:03.840 But then it's like, for the most part, it's moms 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.040 talking to each other the way their husbands talk about 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:10.120 them and not how they talk about themselves because of 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:16.480 who's writing the movie and so so, And I just 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:19.839 want to clarify something. I want to clarify what we mean. 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:25.480 I don't think that men should avoid writing movies about 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:31.200 women or avoid writing female driven stories. I think oftentimes 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:35.120 it's awesome when men want to write compelling female characters. 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:38.360 Like I have a lot of students in my online 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:44.560 screenwriting classes. Wow, another plug. Incredible. It can be done 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:46.799 really well, Like, it can be done for well as 0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:49.560 long as you're you know, doing it with empathy and 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:52.760 you're informed, Like that is the key. And these writers 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:57.799 have a very trackable history of that not being the case. Yeah, 0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:00.680 Like there's a way to do it respond posibly, and 0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:03.720 there's a way to do it not responsibly. And like again, 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.400 like the students in my class, if I'm not mistaken, 0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:10.040 every single one of them is writing a screenplay with 0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.880 a female protagonists. Like they are. I know they like 0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:17.480 they want to be contributing to inclusivity, and that's awesome 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:20.320 and we encourage that. But yes, it's it's a matter 0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:24.280 of like these specific filmmakers is who we are railing 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:27.560 against John Lucas and Scott More. They have this terrible 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.239 track record, and I think I'm also like we just 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:33.680 came off of that Hangover episode that we did, I mean, 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.880 on the major very like we have very fresh memories 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:40.319 of how bad these writers are at writing women. And 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:43.839 I think that it also speaks to I mean, if 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.440 you're writing I mean, I think it's wonderful that like 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.600 where I mean as writers opening up more inclusivity. But 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:51.440 it's like women should be allowed to the front of 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:55.000 the line on this story for sure, and and it's 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:58.640 and it's i think another example of like the jilliant 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:04.319 time that and all male uh screenwriting duo gets a 0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:09.040 million chances to do something well and never does it well, 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:14.319 and here we are talking about it right like they 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:16.560 don't deserve another chance. That's what I'm saying, they don't. 0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:20.520 And the other like another thing I think is worth 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:23.719 talking about is that like this isn't to say that 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:28.320 people can't change, and like writers can't grow over time, 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:32.160 and that like people don't deserve redemption because like a 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:36.160 lot of Hollywood screenwriters should be trying to change and 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.720 should be growing and should be trying to course correct. 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:41.279 But and I like, you know, I do admire that 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:43.600 when people do put in the effort, but still like 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.160 these guys, but it's not these guys. Yeah, they don't 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:50.160 qualify for that conversation. It's not these guys. I just 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:54.920 am insulted by them trying to write this like female 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:58.680 driven story that I think is attempting to be empowering 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:02.520 for moms, but it's just like falls flat on its faith. 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:05.600 And if that's true, I think that that interview with 0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:08.400 them is for me, that interview is the nail in 0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.040 the coffin of like this was a very cut and 0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:14.839 dry cash grab. The story does not mean anything to them. 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:18.840 They like reference their wives as if it's like the 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:22.000 nineteen fifties like that. I don't think that this. I mean, 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.400 it's very hard to believe that they went into this 0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:29.480 project more wanting to make women feel seen than they 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:33.360 did just want millions of dollars. Right, Yes, that's just 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:37.120 one of the examples of how to write a female 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:42.440 driven story. Irresponsibly and not doing it responsibly, which is 0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:45.080 what we are encouraging people to do. You know, if 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:48.720 you're a man who wants to write stories about women 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:52.680 and that include women, great, please do that. Just do 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.880 your fucking homework. That's doing it. Just do your homework 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:59.320 and and ask yourself, you know, like, who else do 0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:02.120 I need to include in this process in order to 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:05.520 make it an authentic story? For sure? I d k 0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:10.320 my BF of Jill, remember that, Oh my gosh, you 0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:14.680 is your best friend, sush mom, my gildfriend. I've truly 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:17.440 in quarantine. I think I think I've told you this 0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:20.000 a little bit. So I like digitized all my family's 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:23.160 home tapes and there's like sixty hours of them, and 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.400 so I feel like I've been with them NonStop. And 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:29.800 the way my mom narrates things is just like I'm 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:31.919 going to edit this thing down and she's gonna win 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:37.160 an Oscar for cinematography. Her slow zooms and her omniscient 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:42.360 narration is unmatched, incredible. I've seen a few of the 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:46.560 little clips you've posted on Instagram. There's I'm currently getting 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:49.800 through this really long video of my parents on their 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:53.880 sixth anniversary. My mom like puts her wedding dress on, 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:56.480 and my dad is like, this is weird. And then 0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:59.320 my Mom's like, it's actually fun. And I'm like, now, 0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:03.360 this is what we need in a movie. Whatever is 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:10.400 going on here? Where is bad Jill, bad Chills? We 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:13.520 need bad bad Jill's bad Jill and bad Lorie. I 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:16.400 would watch that movie. That would be so fun. And 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:19.040 then and then Jada Pinkett Smith would be also be 0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:22.040 there and actually get to have a line this time. Yes, yes, 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:24.680 my mom not to brag, but my mom would let 0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:27.920 Jada Pinkett Smith talk. In fact, she would only my 0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.520 mom would not talk at all. She's like, Jada, you 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.000 have the floor, I know. And then my mom would 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:35.280 go around talking about, like telling everyone for the rest 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:37.160 of her life how Jada Pinket Smith is her best 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:41.040 friend in the world. It would be a whole thing. Oh, 0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:43.760 moms are great, if only they had a better movie 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:47.400 to watch. It's true. Um, okay, here are some things 0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:51.120 that I didn't hate about the movie. Um and again, 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:54.200 like I just I know, there's a lot to like 0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:57.800 about this. There is some small attempt, even if it's 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:02.560 by the wrong people, to to explore certain aspects of 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:06.040 being a mom. It tries, it does try, So I 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:09.520 do want to include some things that I like. I 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:15.320 do enjoy that between Amy's two children, more focus is 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:19.680 given on the mother daughter relationship than the mother's son 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:24.000 relationship with the whole like soccer storyline, and they go 1:00:24.160 --> 1:00:26.280 to the spa and they bond at the spa and 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:29.040 they have a nice little time. Um. I enjoyed that. 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:33.040 And then what little we do see with Amy's son 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:35.840 is her basically saying like, don't grow up to be 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:40.280 an entitled white guy. And because she's like, you need 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:42.160 to do your own homework, you need to cook your 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:45.400 own breakfast, he teaches himself how to cook, so you 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:49.800 see makes time. So you see a boy learning a 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:53.480 domestic skill, which I feel like you almost never see 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:56.120 in a movie. And he's not mocked for it either, 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:58.520 which I feel would have been another easy writing trust 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:01.160 that they didn't go with. I like for sure too. 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:04.720 I liked I liked that her daughter was also on 1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:08.520 a sports team, and that the main tension with the daughter. 1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:10.000 I mean, there was mother daughter stuff, but it was 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:12.919 also like, my daughter really wants to be on this 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:15.880 sports team. So they didn't relegate the daughter to like 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:20.200 traditional you know stuff there either she's an act right, 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:24.520 they also do she takes Mandarin classes and then says 1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:29.240 some racist stuff about Mandarin and then also and then 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:32.000 Milo Cunas also says, wow, that's a little racist, and 1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:34.320 you're like, this is not a funny joke for this year, 1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:38.640 Like you know, that's in response to um her daughter 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:40.600 like worrying about whether or not she's going to be 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:42.960 able to get into an Ivy League school, and she's like, yeah, 1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:47.400 they they're rejecting Asians these days. And then Mila Kunas 1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:50.080 is like, oh, that's racist. But it's like, yeah, that's 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:52.560 another like having it both waysy and as that you're 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:57.120 decided that's not that doesn't if you just like that's 1:01:57.120 --> 1:02:01.280 such just another like dumbass like directors of the Hangover thing, 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:06.440 they're like, well, if we say it's racist, you're just like, no, 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:09.200 that's not how that works. Yeah. I won't go through 1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:13.000 my whole list, but there's a lot of like punching down. Yeah, 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:15.880 I mean, substantially less than you would expect from a 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.200 movie from these guys, but still bad. But it's still 1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:22.520 present for sure. Some other stuff I did, like I 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:25.920 actually really enjoyed although I did not think it needed 1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:28.160 to be there, but since it is there and we 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:32.400 have to talk about it, I liked the romantic subplot 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:35.120 between Amy and Jesse. If it had to be there, 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:36.800 they could have done a lot worse. They could have 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:39.520 done worse. And the reason I like it is that 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:43.919 he treats her far better than Certainly we've seen these 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:47.640 writers and directors having male characters treat women. I know, 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:50.720 I know, but that it's also like I like that. 1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:53.480 It would have been worse if he treated her badly, obviously, 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:55.720 but then I'm also like, these guys went out of 1:02:55.760 --> 1:03:00.520 their way to treat a male character kindly that they 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:04.120 would never have done for a female character. That's true 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:06.480 in the same position, but I am glad. I mean, 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:09.080 I liked, I liked. I know nothing about him, but 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:12.120 he's nice. He has for consent. There's like he's doing 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:15.480 a bare minimum on a very level. That's true. Yeah, 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:19.480 he he asks if she's okay when he learns about 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:23.160 like her husband having just cheated on her. He he 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:26.480 doesn't neg her. Right, We're mostly saying things that he 1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:30.240 doesn't do it as opposed to think he does I 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:32.400 which just like speaks to the sad state of the 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:36.280 way women are treated, especially in like romantic context, because 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:40.120 we've so we're so accustomed to seeing men being so 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:44.080 shitty to women and like negging them and stalking them 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:46.840 and wearing them down and surprise kissing them. In this movie, 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:50.760 she surprised kisses him, which you know was also not 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:56.360 good good but different different. Um. He compliments her on 1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:59.000 her parenting skills. You know, again, this is just bare 1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:02.520 minimum the decent thing to do. But because we're so 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:07.760 conditioned to see men treating women terribly, we're like, wow, 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:14.600 give this man a medal. They also they objectify men 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:18.880 far more than they do women in the movie to 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:21.160 the extent it is often a joke where like when 1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:24.640 we meet Jesse, he's introduced in this like slow mo 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:28.000 gazy shot that's like you know, panning up his body 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:31.680 um to you know, draw the audience's attention to the 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:34.160 fact that this is the guy that the moms think 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:37.840 is hot. There's the like movie, the fake movie that 1:04:37.880 --> 1:04:40.160 they watch in the movie theater where like this man 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:43.680 is like in space with this woman. He's like love 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:46.520 is stronger than space, and he like rips his shirt 1:04:46.720 --> 1:04:52.360 exposing his chest and stuff. So it's like okay, yeah, 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:55.800 I mean and again this movie, I mean, like every 1:04:55.840 --> 1:05:00.560 movie and this kind of very bloated genre, it can't 1:05:00.600 --> 1:05:05.840 possibly happen if everyone in the movie isn't pretty well off. Absolutely, 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:11.640 and by extension, there's very little diversity in the movie 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:14.280 at all. You just see a lot of different kinds 1:05:14.280 --> 1:05:17.400 of rich white moms. Yes, this is a hundred percent 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:21.360 of movie about like middle class two upper middle class 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:25.520 white women. I mean Amy's house, Yes, I would say that, 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:28.120 like I mean, like Carla is more like middle class, 1:05:28.400 --> 1:05:32.080 but like, yeah, Amy, it seems quite well to do. 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:35.160 And this is something that we see in media where 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:39.480 moms are allowed to be boozy and like distant and 1:05:39.520 --> 1:05:44.120 irresponsible as long as they are financially stable white women, 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:47.080 because that when that's the case, it's funny, it's a joke, 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:51.120 it's hilarious. But like, if you're a black mom or 1:05:51.160 --> 1:05:54.200 a low income mom and you like step out of 1:05:54.280 --> 1:05:57.240 line as a mother for one second, there's a million 1:05:57.240 --> 1:05:59.560 other ways that you're going to be stigmatized and treated 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:03.040 poorly totally. And it's not to like lessen you know, 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:06.840 it's like it there is pressure on the bad moms, 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:11.040 but it's like there's really no like indication that the 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:14.240 writers are aware that like this is on the low 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:20.960 end of difficult, you know. Also, like another thing the 1:06:21.000 --> 1:06:25.440 movie does again it makes the ever so slightest attempt 1:06:25.640 --> 1:06:30.840 to try to hold men more accountable, to be good fathers, 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:34.760 but which is like something a movie could and should do, 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:38.120 Like I would like to see more movies with those themes, 1:06:38.120 --> 1:06:42.120 but like it's really glossed over. There's just not enough 1:06:42.120 --> 1:06:46.360 of an attempt to actually hold men accountable. Like the 1:06:46.400 --> 1:06:49.640 closest thing we get, I think, is that little through 1:06:49.680 --> 1:06:52.520 line with Kiki's husband, Kent, who we see him being 1:06:52.680 --> 1:06:57.440 really controlling and border line may be abuse of two Kiki, 1:06:57.680 --> 1:07:00.440 And then she has a cathartic moment at the end 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:03.520 where she yells at him, and that's like the only 1:07:03.560 --> 1:07:05.680 thing we know about her, And it's also just like 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:10.680 that's the lowest level of resolution you can possibly get 1:07:11.200 --> 1:07:13.240 for the very little we know about this character. Is 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:16.080 like she told off her husband one time to go 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:19.640 to a PTA meeting, Like that's like but then and 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:22.040 then like the scene we get after that is like 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:25.240 I don't know his behavior has change and he's like, 1:07:25.280 --> 1:07:27.640 oh mom, I'm so sorry. I forgot the backpack. I'll 1:07:27.640 --> 1:07:31.040 go back and get it. And meanwhile she's like, there's 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:34.840 a weird the way Again, these directors, like their visual 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:39.800 language that they use to indicate certain things is really 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:43.520 off because like in this scene, Kristen Belle is wearing makeup, 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:46.160 and before she hadn't been wearing makeup. So now that 1:07:46.200 --> 1:07:48.040 she's a middle part and then at the end she 1:07:48.120 --> 1:07:51.120 doesn't have a middle part. Love this love this arc 1:07:51.200 --> 1:07:54.760 for her, Like, now that she's in control of her life, 1:07:55.480 --> 1:08:01.560 she she's makeup. Now she's wearing his makeup. Now there, Yeah, 1:08:01.640 --> 1:08:07.000 you're like, sure, great, and like I like make up 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:09.360 just as much as the next person. But like these 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:15.160 filmmakers are like, oh well, um, makeup equals confidence, right, 1:08:15.840 --> 1:08:20.040 And I feel like that's just such an oversimplified male 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:24.880 understanding of being a woman. And it's like, who let 1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:27.880 you make this movie? Oh? I mean who wouldn't let them? 1:08:28.000 --> 1:08:30.559 Who with influence and power would not let them make 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:36.839 this movie? Unfortunately? Um, so yeah, I mean moms deserve 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:39.400 I'm glad that this this is this is I feel 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:43.360 like kind of a classic example of like a tiny 1:08:43.439 --> 1:08:47.280 step in the right direction. So that's good, but it's 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:50.759 also infuriating to be like, wow, progress or is slow, 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:55.760 isn't it? But yeah, I don't know. I I personally 1:08:55.800 --> 1:09:01.200 blame this all on Christie to applicate, it's actually been 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:04.920 her fault all along. She invented patriarchy and if she 1:09:04.960 --> 1:09:08.439 hadn't done that, none of this would be happening. I 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:11.479 think my final thoughts are just that like, this is 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:15.320 unfortunately because this is like one of the only examples 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:20.040 of a like female mom driven narrative that is also 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:23.200 like a romp, because there's other there's a few other 1:09:23.280 --> 1:09:26.559 like movies that explore motherhood that came around out around 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:29.000 this time. And I mean there's there's narratives about this 1:09:29.080 --> 1:09:33.240 all throughout film history, but like some more recent ones 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:38.000 were things like Twenty Century Women, Tully, the Bubba Duck. 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:40.600 You know, you can't beat the Babba Duck from a 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:43.360 psychon the Babba Duck. But these and Queer Icon the 1:09:43.400 --> 1:09:46.960 Babba Duck absolutely true, but they these aren't romps. So 1:09:47.000 --> 1:09:49.120 the fact that like kind of the one example of 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:54.400 like a mainstream broad comedy mom romp is a movie 1:09:55.000 --> 1:09:58.760 made by people who don't know what it is firsthand 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:02.839 to be a mom is just such a frustrating misstep. 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:04.439 And that doesn't mean like, if you like this movie, 1:10:04.840 --> 1:10:07.120 I can see why. There are some things about it 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:10.120 to take away that it would be very relatable and 1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:14.800 that that would resonate with moms. But I long for 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:18.840 the day that we get moms writing mom movies and 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:22.000 directing mom movies because I think that they will resonate 1:10:22.040 --> 1:10:27.960 with moms even more. Believe it or not, I wholeheartedly agree. 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:34.960 But it does pass the Vactel test. So there's a 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:37.960 fair amount affair amount. There are whole scenes where they're 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:41.679 just talking about Dick, but there's also whole scenes where 1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:44.840 they're not that's true. Sometimes they're talking about their couiters. 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:48.280 Sometimes they're talking about their sugars. The most feminist thing 1:10:48.520 --> 1:10:51.160 that we do, we do it all the time. I 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:52.720 think it is funny that you're just like, yeah, they're 1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:56.280 talking about their vaginas. So it like it passes the 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:58.880 Vactel test, but I don't want it to because of 1:10:58.920 --> 1:11:01.840 the people who are writing deadlines. But it does. It 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:05.120 does pass. It does pretty handle. It does, and I 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:09.320 think it might not pass the reverse Spectel tests. I 1:11:09.360 --> 1:11:14.600 don't think we would see men interacting really at all 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:16.679 except which is kind of nice. And it's kind of nice. 1:11:16.680 --> 1:11:20.240 I think there's one. There's a few exchanges where Amy's 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:24.360 husband and son just have like a quick exchange. But 1:11:24.880 --> 1:11:27.479 other than that, yeah, I think it is not men 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:32.080 talking to each other really at all. So hey, so 1:11:32.160 --> 1:11:37.880 there's that thankful for small miracles. What would you rate 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:41.320 this movie on our nipples scale? Uh, you know, from 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:43.719 zero to five nipples based on how well you feel 1:11:43.720 --> 1:11:50.519 it portray women in a movie. I will give it 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:54.639 to I was feeling the same way because, and again, 1:11:55.200 --> 1:12:00.560 I want there to be much more representation of moms 1:12:00.960 --> 1:12:04.639 from all walks of life, not just rich white women, 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:08.360 the whole spectrum of people if they are parents. I 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:10.960 want to see that. We don't really get much of 1:12:11.000 --> 1:12:13.600 it at all, and when we do see it, it 1:12:13.760 --> 1:12:17.280 is very limited the types of moms we are allowed 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:21.559 to see on screen. I've never seen any mom like 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:27.920 my mom, Lorie. I've never seen anything remotely resembling my 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:31.960 mom on screen, which means I need to write a 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:38.200 movie about my mom. Yeah, I I agree. I I 1:12:38.280 --> 1:12:40.240 kind of like and just based on the way that 1:12:40.280 --> 1:12:42.840 we've had to tiptoe around ourselves kind of throughout the 1:12:42.880 --> 1:12:45.439 discussion of this movie because that's the only movie of 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:48.240 its kind. I kind of I kind of resent a 1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:51.200 little bit that we have to you know, keep you 1:12:51.280 --> 1:12:53.200 like but it's okay, the movie's okay, because it's just 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:55.960 like that's just such a clear indicator that there are 1:12:56.000 --> 1:12:59.240 not enough options in this genre. It is the only option. 1:12:59.840 --> 1:13:03.439 I don't think it's a good movie. I'm glad that 1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:06.720 it portrays a few different types of moms in a 1:13:06.800 --> 1:13:09.679 very specific area of the world, and not that every 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:12.160 movie needs to represent everything, but it's like, this is 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:14.160 a movie written by people who don't know how to 1:13:14.160 --> 1:13:18.000 write female characters. It just this movie just feels like 1:13:18.080 --> 1:13:21.519 so focused, grouped, and I'm glad that there are elements 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:25.599 of it where moms feel seen, but it's I mean, 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:28.120 it's like it's so frustrating that it's like, oh, we 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:30.479 have to like give us movie points because it has 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:33.599 mom representations. But then it's like, but it's not a 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:38.320 good movie, Like moms deserve a good, thoughtful movie that 1:13:38.360 --> 1:13:40.800 can still be raunchy and funny, but like just let 1:13:40.920 --> 1:13:45.400 someone who knows what they're talking about right it and sorry, 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:48.680 And that's the police coming to arrest John Lucas and 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:53.280 Scott Moore. Yeah, I live in their neighborhood. Uh no, 1:13:53.479 --> 1:13:55.439 but yeah. And then then just like like we talked 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:59.360 about just how how intensely like whitewashed um this movie, 1:13:59.400 --> 1:14:03.080 and there's genre is to the extent where you can 1:14:03.120 --> 1:14:05.000 have Jada Pinkett Smith in the movie and not give 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:08.720 her a line like outside of like yes, Christina Applegate. 1:14:09.200 --> 1:14:11.960 Just I don't know. I feel like there's a lot 1:14:12.000 --> 1:14:16.520 of broad stereotypes that these guys are known for perpetuating 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:20.280 for all genders races. They only know how to write 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:24.479 in stereotypes, and that doesn't really service what I feel 1:14:24.479 --> 1:14:27.439 like is needed in the terms of portraying moms in 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:31.360 a cool and funny way. I feel so, I don't know. 1:14:31.520 --> 1:14:38.639 For now, watch TV instead. Two nipples, one to Catherine 1:14:38.720 --> 1:14:42.680 Hahn and one to Jada Pinkett Smith. Nice, I'm going 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:46.799 to give one to wand to Sykes, and one to Vertigo, 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:53.879 dog feminist, very good dog, the best character in the film. Truly, 1:14:54.040 --> 1:14:58.879 I felt like I have Vertigo this whole movie. Well, 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:02.840 there you have it. Bad Moms. 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