1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and Best 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bell Cast. Hi, mommies, how's 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: that good? That was great? Mommies. Welcome to the back 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: door gass mommies and non mommies. But you know this week, 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: mommy has come to the front of the line. That's right. 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: I make no mistake, not just good mommies, but bad 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: mommies to bad mommies as well. Welcome bad mommies to 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: the bad Mommies episode of UM. I was almost gonna say, like, 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: this is how traumatized I am at this point where 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: I was almost gonna say, like, Caitlin, we can be 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: bad podcasters, but you know that that's just giving an 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: asshole like a template of a mean iTunes review. So 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, better not do it. Okay, So this is 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: this is our annual Mother's Day episode. I miss I 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: miss my Mom. Yeah, I miss my Mom. She's doing okay, 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: although her health is not. She has lime disease I think, 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: and she has a lot of pain from that. But 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: then she's like well, what if it's COVID nineteen, So 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: no one knows anything. But my mom's health is a 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: little precarious at the moment, but I think she'll be fine. 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: I think my mom Yeah, similar deal. My mom has 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: rheumatoid arthritis and it's been I think it's just like 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: if you already have chronic pain, being cooped up in 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: your house NonStop just doesn't do it any favors. So 27 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: like she and and she's also I'm shout out to 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: Jill because I'm pretty sure she's been a loyal listener 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: throughout the choir. Oh Jill, because she has been teaching 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: her second grade class still um through through Zoom through Zoom, 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: which I'm like, I shout I mean shout out to 32 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: where this is a weird started the episode, but it's 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: a quarantine episode so that doesn't matter, but shout out 34 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: to like all the parents and teachers right now who 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: are making school happen over zoom. I truly cannot wrap 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: my head around that students too, Like it's just who 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. Not to brag or anything, but I 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: teach online screenwriting classes, which I always forget to plug 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: on the podcast. But if anyone's interested in learning screenwriting 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: from yours? Truly someone with a master's degree in screenwriting 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: that I absolutely hate to bring up. But um, I 42 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: teach classes through Zoom but I only have like a 43 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: cap it at five students per section and they're all, 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, adults, so and I'm like, I can barely 45 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: handle that. Well, it's like that's the thing is, Like 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I've been in our writer's room like during the days, 47 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I am an adult woman. Who I 48 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: It's so hard to pay attention. It's so hard. I'm like, 49 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: why am I on eBay? Like I this is my job. 50 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: I hope no one for I don't think that. But anyways, 51 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: I've been on eBay and I'm doing my job. But 52 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm like on eBay so you know, we can all 53 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: be It feels good to be bad, the wise person 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: What's told me? Well, that's sort of the theme of 55 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: the movie. It feels good to be bad. And we're back. 56 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. This is uh, this is 57 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: if you're a new listener, what a weird start. This 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: is our podcast about the representation of female identifying characters 59 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: in movies. We use the Bechdel test as a jumping 60 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: off point for discussion. But what is the Bechdel test? Well, 61 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I asked myself each and every week. I'm happy to 62 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: answer your question. It is a media metric originally developed 63 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: by cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, 64 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: and it requires ars that the narrative have two female 65 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: identifying characters with names who speak to each other about 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: something other than a man. And the specific metric that 67 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: we use is it has to be a two or 68 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: more line exchange of dialogue. And a lot of movies 69 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: cannot manage this simple metric. And interestingly, and we'll be 70 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: talking about this iconic duo. I mean when people say, 71 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: like Caitlin and Jamie, name a more iconic duo, I 72 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: automatically say John Lucas and Scott More. Uh. But you know, 73 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: many movies that the writers of this movie have have 74 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: written in no way past the Backtel test. We've got 75 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: a weird We've got a weird one today. There's pros 76 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: and there's cons, but we're here. There's discourse. I wanted 77 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: before we get into it, because it's where it's just 78 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: the two of us today. Um, So I was curious 79 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: I have. I've just been interested in hearing like other 80 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: podcasters that I listened to, just like, what is like 81 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: a thing in quarantine that you've gotten into, or like 82 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: a show or a thing that you're like. I have 83 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: been rewatching, Um a show that I really enjoy that 84 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: I had only seen once. But Over the Garden Walls. Oh, yes, 85 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: you recommended that to me? Yes, I I can't recommend 86 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: it enough. It's short, it's fun, it's cookie um. It 87 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: was originally on Cartoon Network, it's on Hulu now. I 88 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: really enjoy it. Um so fun. Any any over the 89 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: Garden Wall heads out there, you let me know. I'm 90 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: going to recommend a show that I've been watching really 91 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: because I've also been like working three jobs in the core, 92 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: which is like it doesn't make anything like it's very lucky, 93 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: but it also is like just really fuss with your 94 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: head a little bit. But I watched the first season 95 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: of On Becoming a God in Central Florida, and it's 96 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: really good. Kirsten Dunst is gray nice and I love it. 97 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: So that's our cor Rex. Yeah, cor Rex, let's talk 98 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: about bad moms. Let's do it. So, yes, we don't 99 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: have a guest today, but I did. I wanted to 100 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: get some you know, opinions of moms and whether or 101 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: not this movie resonated with moms. So, um, I have 102 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: a few little, you know, tweets to share and stuff 103 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: like that, mom tweets. What what was your history? Do 104 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: you have a history with this movie? Uh No, I don't. 105 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: I had never seen it, nor it's sequel A Bad 106 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Mom's Christmas. Didn't. I just skipped them. I based on 107 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: what I knew about them when they came out and 108 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: like who was making them and stuff. I was like, 109 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: I don't think these are going to be for me. Yeah, 110 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: I was right, say not because of the premise, more 111 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: just because of the writing style and the like the 112 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: comedic sensibilities of these writers and stuff like that. I 113 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: just like the bloated big budget comedy genre asthetic, like 114 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: this specific aesthetic and like don't, I don't, it's not 115 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: even really I guess it's kind of a genre. It's 116 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: also not for me. Uh yeah. So this movie came out, 117 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean fairly recently. I had seen I've seen Bad 118 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: Mom's Christmas. I watched it because Christine Baranski was in it, 119 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: and I didn't love the movie. But I did love 120 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: Christine Branski and and Susan Surrandon's in it. She's pretty, 121 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: she's good in it as well. It's I honestly, I 122 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: will say I really preferred Bad Mom's Christmas to Bad 123 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: Moms Interesting. But I think that that might just be 124 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: because you get like twice the amount of twice the moms. 125 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: Twice the moms. You have Cheryl Hines, Christine Baranski and 126 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: Susan Stain like those, they're all like, you know, knocking 127 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: it out of the park, even though the writing still, 128 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: stay with me, stinks, But you have like twice the 129 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: amount of fun performances. So it's it just was more fun. 130 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: But sure, yeah, I saw, I watched watched Bad Moms. 131 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: I it's it's frustrating because it's like, and we'll talk 132 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: about this a lot, because it's like a really good 133 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: premise and like a really strong cast, and everything I 134 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: dislike about the movie has to do with the way 135 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: it's written and directed. And then when you're like, oh, 136 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: it was written and directed by the Hangover guys, of 137 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: course I don't like it. Yeah, So it's it's kind 138 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: of a bummer because I'm sure that it would have 139 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: been impossible to make this movie without their co signing 140 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: of it, which is frustrating in itself, and then everything 141 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: I don't like about the movie is them getting in 142 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: the way of a good premise and a good cast. So, um, 143 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad it exists, but uh, you know, generally was like, 144 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: we gotta be able to do better in this come 145 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: on there, we most certainly can we and I think 146 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: that we have. That was another thing that before we 147 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: super jump into it, I did a little research, as 148 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: I've been known to do, wow brag perhaps some context. 149 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: I was just looking into like where moms have been 150 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: represented in comedic movies, and there's really not that much. 151 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: There is not a ton There's a lot of movies 152 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: that have moms in them but are not about moms. 153 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: So it's like this movie was a huge hit. It 154 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: made a hundred eighty million dollars off a two million 155 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: dollar budget, So to me that indicates, you know, like 156 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: this is clearly a market. People want this movie, and 157 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: it was like reasonably well received. But yeah, because they're there, 158 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: there's just not really moms represented as like a central 159 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: focus in movies where you do see a lot and 160 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: I think, like a lot better than what this movie 161 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: has to offer is there's a lot of TV that's 162 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: come out in the past couple of years that is 163 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: comedy focused around motherhood. And so it's just I hope 164 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: that and I mean, god knows how or if movies 165 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: will be made anymore. Um that this is the end 166 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: of the industry as we know it, probably, but it's 167 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: like Christine Baranski is going to be in like a 168 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: plastic bubble. You know, it's gonna be a whole thing. 169 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: But but I hope that, you know, I was encouraged 170 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: at least to see. I mean, there's a ton of 171 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: comedy shows of all different like genres of comedy. There's 172 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: like network comedy, there's niche about mothers, but it just 173 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: is not represented in movies. So this is just kind 174 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: of like what there is right now. Wild But you know, 175 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: if you're if you're a mom looking for all, Um, 176 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: when this episode comes out, I'll try to do a 177 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: little thread of like TV recommended watching because it seems 178 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: like that's where the options are. Yeah, that'd be great. 179 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: And with that, should we do the recap and go 180 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: from there? Let's do it. So the story of bad 181 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: Moms bed Mummies. Um, we meet bad Mummy number one, 182 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: although she's not bad Mummy yet. She's good Mummy. But 183 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: they're but they're they're bad. Sometimes they're all like good moms. 184 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: But they also go through really long montage sequences that 185 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: I fast forwarded like shot truly, like we I can't 186 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: talk about visual jokes in the because I just and 187 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: they're all three minutes long. It's too every These guys 188 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: they just love a long, expensive montage and I just 189 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: don't care about it. That are like in slow motion. 190 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: There's like some you know, poppy bop in the background 191 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: and it's just like this, you get one of those. 192 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: Don't have fourteen in your movie? Yeah, And like can 193 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: you be three characters that we at least know? Like there? 194 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: But by the time the first like at length cameo 195 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: comes in, I'm like, I think I know one thing 196 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: about Kristen Bell's character. How am I supposed to be 197 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: like reveling in this? Like wow, like you don't know? 198 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: You really only know? I would you really only get 199 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: to know Mila Kunas in this movie. I think you 200 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: know one thing about Kristin Bell, which is that her 201 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: husband sucks and that I mean that's just John Lucas 202 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: and Scott More No matter who they're writing for, they 203 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: only know how to write broad stereotypes for sure. So 204 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: you just don't get to know Kristin Bell and Catherine Han. 205 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: You just don't. But first we barely get to know 206 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: Amy Mitchell. That's uh Mila Kunis's character. Were you were 207 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: you frustrated? Okay, so I'm sorry, I'm like this movie 208 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: was really Were you frustrated in the first scene where 209 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: they're introducing her, when she's like, uh, I sweat and 210 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: workout class and You're like, you're Mela kuni is. Give 211 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: me a break there, don't I don't like when movies 212 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: are like Melacunas is so awkward and you're like, no, 213 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: she isn't she? I think she was miscast in this role. 214 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: But also who would have been cast in a such 215 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: a broad stereotyped role like this? I mean, who would 216 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: this be good for? Really? I think Mela Conics is 217 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: so talented. We've seen her be amazing and I feel 218 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: like she is. Yeah, she is very miscast in this movie. Yeah, 219 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: so is Kristin Bell. I think that true. Like of 220 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: the main cast, I think that like Christina Applegate and 221 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: Catherine Han are pretty well cast, but it's only because 222 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: they're playing characters that they've been forced to play before 223 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: that are not fair to them. Where it's like, oh, 224 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: Christina Applegates is going to play like an uptight, rude 225 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: person and she's been she's had to do that forever, 226 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: and like Catherine Hans going to play like a very 227 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: you know. It's like and I hope they had fun 228 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: and they did a good job, but it's even when 229 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: it's properly cast, her like this still is like not 230 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: very nice. I don't know. Okay, where were we we have? 231 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: We men ate me more egg. She's boring, she's she's overworked, 232 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: she's underappreciated. She had her first kid when she was twenty. 233 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: She is now thirty two. She has two kids, Jane 234 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: and Dylan. Um, they do a bunch of extracurricular activities, 235 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: but she's always trying to you know, make it to 236 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: like go to the you know events in the games 237 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: and the recitals and whatever. But um, she's always late 238 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: to everything. That's her thing. She's late to everything. She's 239 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: such a bad mom. She has a part time job 240 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: at a hipster coffee company, working in sales. I think 241 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that but this is a piece of 242 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: WRITINGGG that is so like roll your eyes into the 243 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: back of your head, okay, boomer that I was so 244 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: annoyed by it, where it's like just clearly two out 245 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: of touch dudes being like millennials in the workplace. They 246 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: take two weeks off when John snow dies and you're like, 247 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: mel coolness is a millennia? What are you taught? Like? 248 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: They're they're so like avocado toe, like they're just they're stupid. 249 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: They're stupid, and that anytime the workplace thing came up, 250 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: I was just deeply annoyed because it just made it 251 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: made no sense. It was very frustrating. Yes, but that's 252 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: her job, and um, she just always has so much 253 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: going on and she's worried that she might be a 254 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: bad mom. There's also this group of judgmental moments that 255 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: shame Amy for like having a job and being so busy. 256 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: The queen bee of them is Gwendolen, which is Christina 257 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Applicates character. And then she has two friends played by 258 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: Jada Pinkett Smith and Annie Mamlo. Give Jada Pinkett Smith 259 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: more lines what she was fairly a character. I want 260 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: to think best case scenario. There's like a whole like 261 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: there are scenes with Jada Pinkett Smith that just like 262 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: had to be cut for some reason because I'm just like, 263 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: why would you go through the trouble of getting someone 264 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: who is like truly awesome in a movie where it 265 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: is like very very white and then get this like 266 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: iconic black actor and then give her no lines. It's 267 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: so it's annoying on many levels, truly, yes, uh. And 268 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: then like Annie Mamalo who co wrote Bridesmaids, like she's 269 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: just like pigeonholed into this like idiot type, but like 270 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: she's funnier than that, like give her opportunities to shine. 271 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: And also well, that's like seeing Annie Mamalo in this 272 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: movie is super frustrating because you're just like, why didn't 273 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: you let her write this movie? Right? She's we like, 274 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: she's she is infinitely more qualified to do it, and 275 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: you're just gonna make her like again, another like very 276 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: talented person in this movie who has three lines, and 277 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: you're like, what, I hope she got a boat. But 278 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: like any Mamalo is a parent. She is the same 279 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: age as like the writer directors of this movie. She 280 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: already had Bridesmaids under her belt with this game out, 281 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Why couldn't she have written it like great questions, great 282 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: questions all around. It's it's be fuddling yep. Um, so 283 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: that okay. So Amy has a her husband, this guy 284 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: Mike infuriating storyline. Yes, um he his whole thing is 285 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: that he's pretty immature. He's kind of a doof he 286 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: like doesn't really do anything to help around the house. 287 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: And then one night Amy catches him masturbating to a 288 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: cam girl. Um, which she apparently has been doing for 289 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: ten months. So she kicks him out of the house. 290 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: The next day, she has a terrible day. You know, 291 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: she spills coffee on herself, she spills spaghetti on herself. Oh, 292 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: she's such a clutz, Caitlin, She's such a clutz. She's 293 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: such a bad mom. Her dog has vertigo because modern 294 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: parents be having vertigo dogs. You're like, I'm just like, 295 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: there's some things in this that You're just like, this 296 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: is more of a rich person thing. Dogs on vertigo 297 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: medication sounds kind of like a rich person thing. Uh. 298 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: They're like there. I also, I mean, there is like 299 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: a storyline with the husband, but it was like another frustrating. 300 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: I feel like the writer directors John and Scott are 301 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: are kind of like both cutting themselves like and telling 302 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: on themselves through the husband character, because it's kind of 303 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: like a character we've seen before of like, oh, he's 304 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: not a bad person, he's just like kind of a 305 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: du fist. He's just dumb. He would never hurt his 306 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: wife on purpose. I mean, I think it's like goofy 307 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: and fits the tone of the movie, but it also 308 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: just means like, oh, no, guy is gonna like super 309 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: recognize themselves in that character or interrogate anything about themselves. 310 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, he's dumb, I'm an amazing husband, I'm 311 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 1: a good dad. That was annoying. So Amy has had 312 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: this horrible day, and at the p T eight meeting 313 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: that night, Gwendolen, who is the PTA president, is like me, 314 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: you're on the like police force at the bake sale 315 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: or some poor just like she's a star. Why does she? 316 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but yeah, her her character is like 317 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: bitchy obstacle. So Amy is like, no, I'm not gonna 318 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: do your thing, suck it. I quit, And we're like 319 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: quit what being a mom? What's happening? So then, but 320 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: then she's like, yes, the Christie, I yeah, I like 321 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: the Another major writing flaw in this story is that 322 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: the writer's bravely instead of examining where do these pressures 323 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: on mothers come from, like what systems are enforcing it, 324 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: they instead make the reason that things are difficult for 325 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: all mothers be Christina Applegame. It's her fault that that 326 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: every modern mother fields pressure and feels insecure, inadequate, it's 327 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: actually Christina Applegate's fault. And by ruining Christina Applegate and 328 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: and by that, I mean to say, pit women against 329 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: women for really no reason. You can solve that. Yes, 330 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: But before all the really transpires, Amy decides to be 331 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: a bad mom. So basically she goes to a bar 332 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: to blow off some steam fun and there she sees 333 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: Carla Catherine Han's character, who is this horny, irresponsible single 334 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: mom type, and Kiki Kristen Bell's character, who is an 335 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: isolated stay at home mom with four kids and no 336 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: friends type. So you can see there's an attempt here 337 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: to show different kinds of mothers, but then the writing 338 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: doesn't really do anything to subvert or expand on those types, 339 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: and it just ends up being types exactly there's like 340 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: no nuance. They are these one dimensional characters. No thought 341 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: was put into them aside from just like identifying them 342 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: as these stereotypes and writing them as such. And it's 343 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: I guess to be fair is the wrong preface to 344 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: this sentence, but like that is all John Lucas and 345 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: Scott Moore know how to do with characters of any gender. 346 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: If you look at the hangover, you also see like 347 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: three types of bro that like they're not challenging in 348 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: their writing, um to put it lightly, and so yeah, 349 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 1: you just end up like it's nice that you have 350 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: three different types of mothers. You have like a working 351 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: mom in a relationship, you have stay at home mom, 352 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: you have a single mom. This all sounds like cool, 353 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: all right, different kinds of moms. Let's explore it. But 354 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: then we just don't explore it, and we kind of 355 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: just like that that they got to step one. So 356 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: at the bar they talk about how hard it is 357 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: to be a good mom in this day and age, 358 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: how there's so many rules and expectations to be perfect. 359 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: So then Amy is like, screw it, let's be bad moms. 360 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: Parentheses two thousand sixteen, written and directed by Josh Lucas 361 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: and Scott More. That's the name of the movie there. 362 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: That was when my boyfriend walked in during that scene 363 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: and it was just like oh boy, and then he 364 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: just like left after that line. He's like, I'm gonna 365 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: go get lunch yep. Um, all right, let's let's take 366 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: that moment to take a quick break because we're at 367 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: break time, and then we'll come back and keep going. 368 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: We're back, um okay. So the good moms have decided 369 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: to be bad moms. Now they're bad. They're bad moms. 370 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: They said it. It was the end of the first act, 371 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: and we're like, all right, they are bad moms. They 372 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: get drunk at the bar, then they go wild at 373 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: the rosary store. The next morning, Amy is all hungover 374 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: from her wild night and her kids are like, what 375 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: the hick And she's like, I'm a bad mom. Now 376 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: make your own freaking breakfast. She takes her kids to 377 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: school and her husband's muscle car. She skips work and 378 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: goes to the movies in lunch with her new friends 379 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: Kiki and Carla. Then we've got the bake sales scene there. 380 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: Amy flirts with Jesse, this hot widower dad, but then 381 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: Gwendolen comes over and she's like, Amy, if you don't 382 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: stop being a bad mom, I'm gonna make your life 383 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: a living hick. Then a scene happens off screen where 384 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: Amy learns that her husband is staying with his internet girlfriend. 385 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: This information happens in a scene that does not play 386 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: out on screen, right, and then you're just like, h like, 387 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: that's not good writing. It's not good writing. And then 388 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: I was just like, I also don't care, Like, yeah, 389 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm not rooting for them to get 390 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: back together, but I'm also not rooting for this random 391 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: widower character comes in. I like, it's almost like their 392 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: shoehorning or romantic plot into the movie where no one 393 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: cares about it and it doesn't really belong perhaps but anyway, 394 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: so um, this scene happens off screen. But then the 395 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: aftermath is Carla being like Amy, you need to get laid, 396 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, I do. So the three of 397 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: them go out to a bar. But not only is 398 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: Amy a bad mom, now she's also a bad flirter. 399 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: She's bad at flirt montage. Yeah, another montage, another long, 400 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: horribly edited, might I say, montage showing her being bad 401 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: at flirting, but then Jesse, the hot widow or dad, 402 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: shows up and they start flirting and then they have 403 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: a little kiss a little and we're like, Okay, she 404 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: got what she wanted. I do want to talk about 405 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: that kind of romantic storyline a little later on UM, 406 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: because I there's some interesting things there. But anyway, so 407 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: the next morning, Amy wakes up to her husband having returned, 408 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: and she's like, get out of here. And we're like, 409 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: all right, he was a character for a minute. Yeah, 410 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure, just because like they're not good writers. 411 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if he's just never gonna be 412 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: mentioned again. But he has mentioned again, but I still 413 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: don't care about him, So it just ended up kind 414 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: of being like a moot point. I was like, well, 415 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: I guess that that's what's happening, right. They could have 416 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: written him out if they wanted me to want to 417 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: see him, They could have written a better character. Then 418 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: Amy finds out that her daughter Jane got benched for 419 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: her soccer game because Gwendolen like blackmailed the soccer coach. Basically, 420 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: so Amy is like, okay, well then I'm gonna run 421 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: against you for pta president. And we're like, Okay, I 422 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: guess this is this the plot now everything. You're just like, 423 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: I know the shift because she says like, I'm going 424 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: to be a bad mom, and then she's like I'm 425 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: going to be the PTA president, and you're like, I 426 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: feel like these goals are at odds with But when 427 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: she says she's going to be a bad mom, she 428 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: doesn't really this is just like it's it's I mean, 429 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: we're not moms. It goes without saying. But I was like, Okay, 430 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: she says I want to be a bad mom, but 431 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: I think that I mean, what she's actually saying is 432 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: I want to be a mom and my own person. 433 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 1: But like, why can't I just say that, Like I 434 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: know that that's not as punchy, but it's confusing for 435 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: her to keep saying I want to be a bad 436 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: parent when what what she means something like it still 437 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: is very clear that she like they all love their 438 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: children very much, but they're flawed people. So like that's fine, 439 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, I don't get it. I mean, I get it, 440 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: but I don't like it. Like I want to be 441 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: a mom who doesn't have to live up to such 442 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: rigid expectations and high standards. That are placed upon me 443 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: by society and the patriarchy. That doesn't fit in onto 444 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: a movie poster. But bad moms, when you say when 445 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: you say society and patriarchy, I think you mean Christina Apple. 446 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: Oh right, I'm so sorry. It was actually her. This 447 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: is all happening, So that's why we have to defeat 448 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: her in the election question mark unclear, unclear. It also 449 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: seems like she doesn't like, logistically, does Mila Kunas have 450 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: the bandwidth for this? Sure? Whole thing is like I 451 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: don't have bandwidth for anything. And then she's like she's 452 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: already too busy. The goal is she's like, I'm her. 453 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: She says she don't think she means this, but she's like, 454 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a worse parent because I am 455 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: too bogged down with the expectations for work and parenthood 456 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. But then the focus shifts 457 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: and she's like, I actually want to take on an 458 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: additional responsibility to prove something too that I don't know 459 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: what it is, right, Okay, okay, just making sure at 460 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: what's happening is we don't make sense. Um. So, now 461 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: that she's running for pt president, she throws a meet 462 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the candidate party that no one shows up to it first, 463 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: but then people start to arrive because they've got free 464 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: wine and it turns into this wild party. And then 465 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: Jesse shows up at the end as it's winding down, 466 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: and then they have a little kiss and a little 467 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: and they have a little sex and we're like yeah. 468 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: And then there's another scene where Amy's husband is back 469 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: again and they go to a couple's counseling with Wanda 470 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: Sykes again her talents are wildly underused. Yeah, I had 471 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: just watched, and this is like really embarrassing. I just 472 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: watched as a joke. We were doing her on Zeitgeist 473 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: Movie Club, which we've already done in this show, and um, 474 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: listeners are will know we don't love it. We don't 475 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: love it. Um, But I watched. So I watched Jecksy 476 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: instead as a joke that Adam Divine movie. It's really bad, 477 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: and Wanda Sikes is also inevitably in that movie being 478 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: wildly underused. And so I was like, just two days 479 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: in a row of seeing Wanda pikes enormous talent just wasted. 480 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: I just I just hope that she's just like they 481 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: offered me so much money that I could not say, no, 482 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that's true. Though it wasn't that big 483 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: of a budget. It was only what I was twenty 484 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: one million of the dollars. Oh fingers crossed hope, so 485 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: let's headcanon. But yeah, she's very under You're just like, 486 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: this is a waste of Wanda Sikes. But I'm glad 487 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: she's there. Um, but she's like, wow, you guys should 488 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: just get a divorce, which is like, we know. It's like, uh, 489 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: this is all to say that we're reaching the low 490 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: point of the movie. Amy's marriage is crumbling. She gets 491 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: fired from her job that she has not been showing 492 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: up to and she's like, why are you firing me? Sure, 493 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: I've skipped work for the past week in a row, 494 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: but like, I don't get it. And then they're like 495 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: our avocado toast is dry and there oh god that 496 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: whole Yeah, so it's something. It's not her fault that 497 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: she didn't show up to work, it's Millennial's fault. What 498 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: And then to top it all off, um Gwendolen has 499 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: planted weed and Amy's daughter's locker and gets her kicked 500 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: off the soccer team. So everything's just crumbling in Amy's world, 501 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: and her daughter gets really mad at her and calls herselfish, 502 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: and then she's like, I'm gonna go stay with dad. 503 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: So things have fallen apart. So it's the night of 504 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: the p t A election. Amy eventually shows up late 505 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: because she's always late, that sort of thing. She's not 506 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: like the other girls, and she gives this speech where 507 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: she's like, hey, most of us are bad moms and 508 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: that's okay because being a mom is really hard. Vote 509 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: for me, and everyone's like whoo. And she wins the election. 510 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: Then there's like a little bit of a reconciliation between 511 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: her and Gwendolen, her kids come back, she gets rehird 512 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: at work. The movie takes a very long time to end. 513 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: I was like kind of like, did you feel that 514 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: as well? We were just like the writing gets kind 515 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: of scattered in the second act, and then they still 516 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: managed to tie up every kind of random storyline they 517 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: had set up in the very long second act, but 518 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: it takes a while where they're like, Okay, there's a 519 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: climactic third act scene which is like the third act 520 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: he is, I don't even really mean this as a 521 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: bad thing, but you know, she goes up, she says 522 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: the title of the movie. She says the statement of 523 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: the movie, and everyone's like, woo who you win the 524 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: big game. But then it's like seeing where you find 525 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: out what happened with her and her kids, seeing you 526 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: find out what happened with the widow scene where you 527 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: resolved Christina applicate thing, scene where Katherine Han's character gets resolution. 528 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: You didn't realize that you were supposed to want. There's 529 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: just like there's like five Dano mont scenes that you're 530 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: just like, all right, listen, I don't know, I don't 531 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: like this movie very much. And then yeah, that's pretty 532 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: much it. And then we get this kind of like 533 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: not post credits, but like as the credits are rolling, 534 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: we get all of the the actors in the movie 535 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: just them with their moms in real life having conversations, 536 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, this is more endearing than the 537 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: entire movie. I was saying this before we started recording. 538 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: Katherine Hans mom is funnier than the whole movie. Katherine 539 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: kept watching the scenes with Catherine Han and her mom 540 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: and Jada Pinkett Smith and her mom were so delightful. 541 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: I also think that Jada gets more screen time during 542 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: the credits than she does in the movie. I found 543 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: Kristen Bell's mom to be a little threatening. Um, it 544 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: was just like, something about Kristen Bell's mom is not 545 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: rubbing me the right way. Mela Kunas's mom seems like 546 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: a delight saying for Christine and Apple Game. That's my 547 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: review of Everyone's mom. Something about Kristen Kristen Bell's mom 548 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: has a bit of a sinister energy. Can't quite place it. 549 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: Sure I see that. Yeah, well, let's take another quick 550 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back and really do a 551 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: deep dive and we're back. So we've been chatting a 552 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: little bit already throughout the recap of things that have 553 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, bugged us. I think I just wanna start 554 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: out the official discussion by saying, um, like, I can 555 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: see why this movie would resonate with people, especially moms, 556 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: because it does a little bit to recognize how difficult 557 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: it is to be a mom, how mothers are often underappreciated, overworked, 558 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: how they how they often have to do a lot 559 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: of the household and emotional labor to keep a family going. 560 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: And this movie is about a group of women who 561 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: are just fed up with those expectations. That are placed 562 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: upon them to be perfect moms, and then they say 563 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: fuck it to those expectations. Absolutely, Like I, I really 564 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: do appreciate that there is like and again, for movies 565 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: that have come out even remotely recently, this is the option, um, 566 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: a movie that expresses these like really commonly held frustrations. 567 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm glad this exists for that reason, 568 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: and and I'm glad that it like resident I'm interested 569 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: in your mom tweets yes, because yeah, this is the 570 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: only movie of its kind, for better and for worse. UM. 571 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: I'll read a few of the responses I got from moms, 572 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: and for our listeners who were moms, feel free to 573 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: reach out on social media and let us know how 574 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: much or how little this movie resonated with you, because 575 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: we are very curious. UM. But anyway, here are a 576 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: few takes gave me that sweet mom intel. They were 577 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: a bit mixed, but basically my tweet just asked, UM, 578 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: are you a mom? Have you seen Bad Moms? Did 579 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: it resonate with you thoughts? One of the first responses was, UM, 580 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: I am a mom and I loved it. I also 581 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: saw it in a theater full of moms and it 582 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: was an awesome bonding experience. Another one said, big fan, 583 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: I relate to Mila Kunis and Catherine han U. My 584 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: husband left me for another woman, and I had to 585 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: struggle to figure out how to keep my household to 586 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: float with two kids aged three and five at the 587 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: time while shedding my wife slash mother identity and figuring 588 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: out who I was. Another response was saying that she 589 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: is a mom. She did not finish the movie. It 590 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: did not resonate with her at all, So again mixed responses. 591 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: I guess it made a lot of what you hear. 592 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: And then I think around the original coverage of this movie, 593 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: because this movie was reviewed mixed as well. UM, and 594 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: I was happy to see that a lot of the 595 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: reviewers of this movie we're not just women, but also 596 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: we're mothers, UM. And it seems like moms are also 597 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: split on this. But I mean, even the responses that 598 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: you've shared, and thank you too to those people for 599 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: for sharing UM, seems to indicate that like this is 600 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: the first time they've seen those kinds of problems represented 601 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: in a big movie and in a way that isn't 602 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: And and I think we've we've talked about this with 603 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: a number of different identities that are held primarily by women. 604 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: Of like, it's nice to see a mom struggling in 605 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: a way that isn't framed as like this is the 606 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: most tragic thing in the world. This is like and 607 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: then it's just a sad because I feel like there's 608 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: a lot of movies about like sad moms, but this 609 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: movie is about bad moms my Yeah, And and I 610 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: could definitely see how seeing this movie in theaters with 611 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: other moms would be really cathartic and fun. Totally. I 612 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: just think we can do better, yes, for sure. And 613 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: that that's my thesis statement of the film, which is that, like, 614 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: it's a movie about being a mom and the pressures 615 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: of being a mother, and it's written and directed by 616 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: two sis hit men who are known for being cruel 617 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: to women. Yeah. Yeah, and I know that we we've 618 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: done research into what these guys were saying on the 619 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: press tour for this movie, which was like, look just 620 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: very like. My my suspicion going into researching the production 621 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: of this movie was that John Lucas and Scott More 622 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: wanted money, right, Okay, that is what a lot of 623 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: directors want, right, but by sixteen you can't necessarily just 624 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: make another hangover. You can't like broke comedy is really 625 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: not as much in demand, you know, and and so 626 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: it just seems kind of like it just seems like 627 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: someone reached out and was like John Lucas got more. 628 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: Women are so hot right now, so we need you, 629 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: like don't don't like get out of your comfort zone 630 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: or anything, but we need a movie with some ladies 631 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: and no, you can't kill them. Uh, and it just 632 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: it just feels like a studio note like it just yeah, 633 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: I have like I have some of these interviews, and 634 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: I like I want to play some clips from them 635 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: because they're so frustrating to hear these guys talk. It's 636 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: just I'm frustrated by them, Like they should have just 637 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: known better. They should have been like, well, we're not moms. 638 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: Why would we write a movie about moms? But what 639 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: if they done in their career that would indicate that 640 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: they would pass money on to a marginalized creator, Like 641 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 1: there's nothing that they've ever They got offered the money 642 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: and they took it, which also makes me very frustrated 643 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: at the you know, the studio who was like, hey, men, 644 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: write this movie about ma, Like yeah, yeah, I am. 645 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: I am at least mildly encouraged and appreciated by Like, 646 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: I guess that Kristen Bell had a lot to do 647 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: with this project existing as well from the research I've 648 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: done in the production. She was like, I think the 649 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: star attached that made the movie get made, and she 650 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: was the one that convinced me Lacoon has to do it. 651 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 1: And so there is like more women behind the scenes 652 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: of this movie then your average John Lucas got more movie. 653 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: But that's saying literally nothing. So well, let's hear a 654 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: little a few things they have to say, shall we know? Yes, 655 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: So this is an interview with the co writers and 656 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: co directors, John Lucas and Scott More about just sort 657 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: of their experience developing and directing Bad Moms. And here 658 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: are just a few choice quotes from them. I am 659 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: on a YouTube channel called film is Now Movie Bloopers 660 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: and Extras just to cite this source as properly as 661 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: I can. So here's the first clip. Uh yeah, well, 662 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: I think you know the movie. The genesis of the 663 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: movie was looking at our wives lives. We're both dads 664 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: and our wives or mom's and uh, seeing how intensive 665 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: world it was and how ripe it was for comedy, 666 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: and so we figured it was we've written our share 667 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: of exactly what you said, guys having a good time. 668 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: And we figured also we went to enough like mom 669 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: events that got a little off the rails that were like, oh, 670 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: this is like we're not actually entirely making this up. 671 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: This is something that actually happens, you know, the three 672 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: Martini play ate or whatever. It is not my wife, 673 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: by the way, she's a very well behaved but other 674 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: moms of course. But we just thought it was like 675 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: it was a world full of really intense social interactions 676 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: and it was just a world that was like sort 677 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 1: of hadn't been in our minds done to the to 678 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,919 Speaker 1: the nth degree yet, and so we thought we could, Ah, 679 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: there it's very and I mean, and the quotes get 680 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: worse from this like it it just I really don't 681 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: like it. There. It's so I mean, it's like I 682 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: feel like that quote alone, just like you're like, yeah, 683 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: this was a studio note. They were asked to write 684 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: a movie about women. Uh, they asked their wives three 685 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: questions a piece and then just wrote the movie like 686 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: I and I really don't like this the like okay, 687 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: let me know if if I'm like getting off the 688 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: rails here. But I do feel like there is especially 689 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: in this genre, Like there's this repeated media narrative of 690 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: like women should be allowed to be raunchy too, and 691 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: like it just comes off a little like condescending, like 692 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well then like let them. And also 693 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: you don't need to write like there's just no I 694 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: hate I just there couldn't be two people I would 695 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: want behind a project about motherhood less men. I'll play 696 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: a couple more little clips from this, but like, so, 697 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: there's this monologue that Amy Melakuna's character gives in the 698 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: movie when she's talking to her son about how her 699 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: son needs to do his own homework, and she basically 700 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: she's like, you're entitled, which means mommy and daddy have 701 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: been spoiling you, and now you think the world owes 702 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: you something, but it doesn't. And if you don't learn 703 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: how to work hard, now you're going to grow up 704 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: to be another entitled white dude who thinks he's awesome 705 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: for no reason. And then you'll start a ska band 706 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,800 Speaker 1: and you'll be mean too girls, and you'll grow a 707 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: mustache to look interesting. But you won't actually be interesting, 708 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: and I'm not okay with that, so please do your 709 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: own homework. So she's like talking about basically the directors 710 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: of this movie who are entitled and think they can 711 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: just do anything, but then they also like but then 712 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: they also do that thing where they make it sound 713 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: goofy and not like themselves enough that they just sort 714 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: of managed to slip out of it. They're like, like, 715 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: I feel like that's the same the same issue I 716 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: have with the way they wrote her husband, where um, 717 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: I agree with our listener that it's it's like there 718 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: is some visit ability and like a shitty husband that 719 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: cheats on their spouse with not a lot of guilt. 720 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's unfortunately a pretty common thing that happens. 721 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: But the way that they write the character makes it 722 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: seem like he's just not smart enough to be able 723 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: to be a loyal husband. It has nothing, It is 724 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: barely a reflection on his character, and and I feel 725 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: like that is a way that they let themselves and 726 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: other men off the hook by just writing a character 727 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: that really no one is going to see themselves in. 728 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: And we've had this discussion in different genres to where 729 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 1: it's like we've had discussions about like when a man 730 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: is and I guess trigger warning, but like when a 731 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: man assaults a woman in a movie, it's very often 732 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: by a character that is so brutally evil that no, 733 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: like no average person would recognize themselves in it, And 734 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: so then it just becomes like, well, what are you 735 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: supposed to take away from that? You know, and this 736 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: is a much less version of that, But I do 737 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: think it is like kind of a flavor of like 738 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: these guys are not actually writing. The one thing that 739 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: they could do and use their lift experience to do 740 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: is right a dad character that isn't so ridiculous, and 741 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 1: they can't even do that just without getting like to like, oh, well, 742 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm not like this, this guy's dumb. Like it's like okay, 743 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: but like they just can't self examine. Also John Lucas 744 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: being like my wife though she would never misbehave, she 745 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: is perfectly behaved, and it's like, did you miss the 746 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: point of your own shitty movie? Like it sounds like 747 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:49,240 Speaker 1: based on like, uh, there there was a piece I 748 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: came across from I was just like looking through some 749 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: of the coverage in in both directions, the pro and 750 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: con um from when this came out in and there 751 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,280 Speaker 1: was a piece I found in late that I actually, 752 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: uh quite liked, and I thought it was someone who 753 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: like a writer named Alyssa Strauss who enjoyed the movie 754 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: but kind of had all of the same points that 755 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: we have about why it's like, well, this isn't really 756 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: She was like, it's a fun movie, but it's not 757 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: really like the mother's experience, whereas I just wanted to 758 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: share a quick passage from that that I think like 759 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,439 Speaker 1: ties in a lot of things that we've been talking 760 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: about so far. Um, she says, in real life, a 761 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: harried mom like Amy seeking some relief would probably recognize 762 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: that her unhelpful husband and unrealistic boss are her main problems. 763 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: The annoying mom at school would be nothing more than 764 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: a pebble in her shoes, something that bothers her for 765 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: a moment but can easily be resolved. Personally speaking, I 766 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: know few moms who have been exhausted or wounded by 767 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: inter mommy tension. I asked other moms I know, including 768 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,240 Speaker 1: those with office jobs and those who are their family's 769 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: primary caretaker, and they all felt the same. Moms are 770 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: not at war with one another. We concluded, and most 771 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: of us don't care about what parenting or employment decisions 772 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 1: other moms are making. We might become irritated with a 773 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: mom thinks she is better for making a particular decision, 774 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: But the crime there is hubris, not how they are 775 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: feeding their baby or how many extracurriculators their kid is 776 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 1: enrolled in, which I feel like is a big flaw 777 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: of this movie, where it's like the way the problems 778 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: that Melacuna's character chooses to address versus what she doesn't like. Yeah, 779 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 1: they make the villain another woman we don't know very 780 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: well as opposed to any system that being her job, 781 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: which is like even that like gets conflated because of 782 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: the shitty writing where it's like with her workplace, it 783 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,800 Speaker 1: would be very i think smart and the most logical 784 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 1: choice to make it a workplace that is not welcoming 785 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: to mothers. It's not offering flexible scheduling and and that 786 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: should be a clear but they don't do that. They 787 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,720 Speaker 1: make it like, oh, these millennials and their coffee beans 788 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: and their Game of Thrones, Like the problem is like 789 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: people who are five years younger than Mila Kunas. It's 790 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: not the fact that workplaces are unwilling to accommodate mothers 791 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: and maternity leave and stuff like that. Like, yeah, it 792 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: doesn't even come it barely comes up, so that is 793 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,439 Speaker 1: like conflated. And then the clear issue of like her 794 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: husband is cheating on her, she wants to divorce her husband. 795 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: It finally gets resolved way later. But men are not 796 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,280 Speaker 1: like obstacles in this movie the way that other women are. Well, 797 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: that brings me to perhaps another little clip even all that, 798 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: because it's like one of those media interviews where it says, 799 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: like John Lucas on why women should be allowed to 800 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: be raunchy. Even like the introduction to their clips is 801 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: pretty the movie doesn't really get into a lot of dating. 802 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: I mean consciously chose to like every time we felt 803 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: as guy writers ourselves injecting guy stuff in. We sort 804 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: of wanted to treat men in this movie a lot 805 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: like how women are generally treated in guy comedies, which 806 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: is sort of like love objects and a little bit 807 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: of comedy here and there, But we really want to 808 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: get it not about like the relationships, like the struggles 809 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: between moms and dads. This is a mom movie. This 810 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 1: is not a movie about the two things Okay, I mean, 811 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: I don't even disagree that that's like a fun inversion. 812 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: But then it's like that sentence continues with like, also, 813 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like to be a mom. 814 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: I didn't do a lot of research, and I don't 815 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm fucking talking about. So the whole movie 816 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: comes off a bit weird. There. They're so lucky they 817 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: had like three talented leads who are mothers to make 818 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: this movie remotely convincing, truly, and the writing doesn't do 819 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: them justice of what they are capable of. Anyway. Um, 820 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 1: here's another clip, and this is Scott Moore talking now. 821 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: So so John may have said this, but we didn't 822 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: so much as write this script as listen to our 823 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: wives and the moms around us and write down they 824 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: were saying. And so really a lot of it is 825 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: just observing the moms around us and putting it into 826 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: a movie. And I have to say, you're talking about 827 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: sort of cutting loose. I know my wife would love 828 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: to cut loose every day, but there's so much responsibility 829 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,439 Speaker 1: placed on her that eventually she gets to the today 830 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: and it's like midnight and she's got to go to bed, 831 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: and it's that frustration of not getting to do anything 832 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: that she wants all day, and so this movie is 833 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: what if she got to just like do whatever the 834 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,720 Speaker 1: hell she wanted. Can we start like a go fund 835 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,879 Speaker 1: me for these wives? They're like, we need to get 836 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: them out of there. There. The way they talk about 837 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 1: their wives is literally like their possessions, Like my, my 838 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: wife would love to cut loose, but unfortunately I'm making 839 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,360 Speaker 1: a ton of money like off of her experiences. So 840 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,839 Speaker 1: I can't really like do much to contribute because I'm 841 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 1: writing bad moms, Like you're just like do you hear 842 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: your do you hear yourself? So and then I have 843 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,399 Speaker 1: one last clip to share I know it's and then 844 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 1: and then I'm done. I'm promised. I think there are 845 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: less pressures and less expectations on fathers. It seems like 846 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: if you show up at an occasional soccer game, you're 847 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: a hero for being there. But moms sort of have 848 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: to be at every soccer game and make sure they 849 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: brought the treats and make sure the kids around time, 850 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: make sure they have all the gear and that they 851 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: have the shin pads. And there's just a lot that 852 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: I feel like our society has placed a lot more 853 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: pressure on moms to be perfect that dad's uh for 854 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: right or wrong, probably for wrong. Are just expected to 855 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: be at work and occasionally show up, but moms are 856 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 1: expected to do everything. I personally feel like I get 857 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: a lot more applaudits for doing very little, and my 858 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: wife does a lot and doesn't get very little and 859 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: I do very little consciously. Uh no, but I think 860 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,439 Speaker 1: there's I think that's we can get into a really 861 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: deep philosophical conversation to why it is. But whatever, whatever 862 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: it cause you want to point to it, it is 863 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,399 Speaker 1: reality that moms are held to a far higher stand 864 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: and it's not there. Yeah, okay, but what have you done? 865 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,839 Speaker 1: But what have you done? But what have you done? 866 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: You know? They just they're like, um, I think I've 867 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 1: heard of this thing called the patriarchy. Um I'm not 868 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: really sure what it does or who it is, but 869 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: it seems really shitty. I would be so pissed if 870 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 1: that were me. So I guess what I'm saying is, wow, 871 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 1: really sucks. And by these are the duface is who 872 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: tried to write like an empowering mom movie. Yeah they 873 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 1: did not succeed. Um that then that's all I have 874 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,919 Speaker 1: to say about it. They just did not succeed there. 875 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 1: I really hope that in a couple of years we 876 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 1: like look back on this episode when eight I would 877 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: love around Like it's not don't misunderstand us. We would 878 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: love a raunchy comedy starring moms written by anyone else there, 879 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,879 Speaker 1: written by like someone with experience, someone who has at 880 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: least researched like it just there couldn't be a more cynical, 881 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: like Hollywood choice for someone to be in charge of 882 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: this movie. It just shows a complete distrust in lit. 883 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean, and having Annie Mamalo there really was like 884 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: a knife to the gut for me of like you 885 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: have cast someone in a shitty tiny roll of someone 886 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 1: who could be doing circles around. It's just ridiculous. Yeah, 887 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: and and especially because like to have these two men 888 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: write this movie about motherhood and it's like them being like, 889 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: but like, you know, it's it's bad mums. It's mums. 890 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: Like what if mums could be bad and runchy and 891 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: drunk and have sex and like all this stuff, And 892 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: it's like, great, Yeah, that would be cool to see. 893 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,320 Speaker 1: That would be a subversion of what we normally see 894 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: on screen. But like again, it always it just comes 895 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 1: down to, like, these are not the people to tell 896 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,280 Speaker 1: this story, because these are guys whose comedy relies almost 897 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,919 Speaker 1: entirely on punching down and writing dialogue. In a way, 898 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,319 Speaker 1: it like I really don't like women. It's very like 899 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 1: Catherine Hans character, the way that she's always like, oh 900 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,839 Speaker 1: my cooter, my couch, my pussy. You're like, that's how 901 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: fifty year old men talk about women. That is not 902 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:18,280 Speaker 1: how women talk about themselves, Like, unless there's something I'm missing, 903 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,880 Speaker 1: but like, I've never known any one of my generation 904 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,080 Speaker 1: or my mom's that has spoken of themselves in that way. 905 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,319 Speaker 1: And my and that's not to say that my mom 906 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: and her friends don't talk about themselves in gross ways. 907 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,839 Speaker 1: They do, but not, but they don't talk about them 908 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 1: So like I feel like there is this weird Sometimes 909 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:44,319 Speaker 1: there are semi good monologues that I theorize were rewritten 910 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,440 Speaker 1: later on because they're just like this is too. Like 911 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: Melacunas will occasionally have a good small monologue that is, yes, 912 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,440 Speaker 1: extremely on the nose, but at least it's making a 913 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: competent point, like when she's at the bar and she's like, 914 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: there's so much pressure on this blah blah blah blah, 915 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,600 Speaker 1: like and you're just like, okay, yes, I agree with this. Cool. Nice. 916 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,840 Speaker 1: But then it's like, for the most part, it's moms 917 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: talking to each other the way their husbands talk about 918 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 1: them and not how they talk about themselves because of 919 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: who's writing the movie and so so, And I just 920 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,839 Speaker 1: want to clarify something. I want to clarify what we mean. 921 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that men should avoid writing movies about 922 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 1: women or avoid writing female driven stories. I think oftentimes 923 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: it's awesome when men want to write compelling female characters. 924 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,360 Speaker 1: Like I have a lot of students in my online 925 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: screenwriting classes. Wow, another plug. Incredible. It can be done 926 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: really well, Like, it can be done for well as 927 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 1: long as you're you know, doing it with empathy and 928 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,760 Speaker 1: you're informed, Like that is the key. And these writers 929 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,799 Speaker 1: have a very trackable history of that not being the case. Yeah, 930 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,680 Speaker 1: Like there's a way to do it respond posibly, and 931 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,720 Speaker 1: there's a way to do it not responsibly. And like again, 932 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 1: like the students in my class, if I'm not mistaken, 933 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: every single one of them is writing a screenplay with 934 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: a female protagonists. Like they are. I know they like 935 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,480 Speaker 1: they want to be contributing to inclusivity, and that's awesome 936 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,320 Speaker 1: and we encourage that. But yes, it's it's a matter 937 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,280 Speaker 1: of like these specific filmmakers is who we are railing 938 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,560 Speaker 1: against John Lucas and Scott More. They have this terrible 939 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,239 Speaker 1: track record, and I think I'm also like we just 940 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 1: came off of that Hangover episode that we did, I mean, 941 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 1: on the major very like we have very fresh memories 942 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: of how bad these writers are at writing women. And 943 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,839 Speaker 1: I think that it also speaks to I mean, if 944 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 1: you're writing I mean, I think it's wonderful that like 945 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: where I mean as writers opening up more inclusivity. But 946 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: it's like women should be allowed to the front of 947 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: the line on this story for sure, and and it's 948 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: and it's i think another example of like the jilliant 949 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:04,319 Speaker 1: time that and all male uh screenwriting duo gets a 950 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: million chances to do something well and never does it well, 951 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: and here we are talking about it right like they 952 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: don't deserve another chance. That's what I'm saying, they don't. 953 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 1: And the other like another thing I think is worth 954 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,719 Speaker 1: talking about is that like this isn't to say that 955 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,320 Speaker 1: people can't change, and like writers can't grow over time, 956 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: and that like people don't deserve redemption because like a 957 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,160 Speaker 1: lot of Hollywood screenwriters should be trying to change and 958 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,720 Speaker 1: should be growing and should be trying to course correct. 959 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,279 Speaker 1: But and I like, you know, I do admire that 960 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 1: when people do put in the effort, but still like 961 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: these guys, but it's not these guys. Yeah, they don't 962 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: qualify for that conversation. It's not these guys. I just 963 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 1: am insulted by them trying to write this like female 964 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 1: driven story that I think is attempting to be empowering 965 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: for moms, but it's just like falls flat on its faith. 966 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: And if that's true, I think that that interview with 967 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 1: them is for me, that interview is the nail in 968 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: the coffin of like this was a very cut and 969 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,839 Speaker 1: dry cash grab. The story does not mean anything to them. 970 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 1: They like reference their wives as if it's like the 971 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties like that. I don't think that this. I mean, 972 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: it's very hard to believe that they went into this 973 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: project more wanting to make women feel seen than they 974 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: did just want millions of dollars. Right, Yes, that's just 975 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,120 Speaker 1: one of the examples of how to write a female 976 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,440 Speaker 1: driven story. Irresponsibly and not doing it responsibly, which is 977 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: what we are encouraging people to do. You know, if 978 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,720 Speaker 1: you're a man who wants to write stories about women 979 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: and that include women, great, please do that. Just do 980 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 1: your fucking homework. That's doing it. Just do your homework 981 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,320 Speaker 1: and and ask yourself, you know, like, who else do 982 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,120 Speaker 1: I need to include in this process in order to 983 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: make it an authentic story? For sure? I d k 984 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: my BF of Jill, remember that, Oh my gosh, you 985 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 1: is your best friend, sush mom, my gildfriend. I've truly 986 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,440 Speaker 1: in quarantine. I think I think I've told you this 987 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. So I like digitized all my family's 988 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: home tapes and there's like sixty hours of them, and 989 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: so I feel like I've been with them NonStop. And 990 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: the way my mom narrates things is just like I'm 991 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,919 Speaker 1: going to edit this thing down and she's gonna win 992 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 1: an Oscar for cinematography. Her slow zooms and her omniscient 993 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:42,360 Speaker 1: narration is unmatched, incredible. I've seen a few of the 994 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 1: little clips you've posted on Instagram. There's I'm currently getting 995 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,800 Speaker 1: through this really long video of my parents on their 996 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: sixth anniversary. My mom like puts her wedding dress on, 997 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: and my dad is like, this is weird. And then 998 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: my Mom's like, it's actually fun. And I'm like, now, 999 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 1: this is what we need in a movie. Whatever is 1000 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 1: going on here? Where is bad Jill, bad Chills? We 1001 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,520 Speaker 1: need bad bad Jill's bad Jill and bad Lorie. I 1002 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: would watch that movie. That would be so fun. And 1003 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,040 Speaker 1: then and then Jada Pinkett Smith would be also be 1004 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 1: there and actually get to have a line this time. Yes, yes, 1005 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,680 Speaker 1: my mom not to brag, but my mom would let 1006 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,920 Speaker 1: Jada Pinkett Smith talk. In fact, she would only my 1007 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 1: mom would not talk at all. She's like, Jada, you 1008 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 1: have the floor, I know. And then my mom would 1009 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 1: go around talking about, like telling everyone for the rest 1010 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,160 Speaker 1: of her life how Jada Pinket Smith is her best 1011 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 1: friend in the world. It would be a whole thing. Oh, 1012 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,760 Speaker 1: moms are great, if only they had a better movie 1013 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,400 Speaker 1: to watch. It's true. Um, okay, here are some things 1014 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 1: that I didn't hate about the movie. Um and again, 1015 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,200 Speaker 1: like I just I know, there's a lot to like 1016 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 1: about this. There is some small attempt, even if it's 1017 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: by the wrong people, to to explore certain aspects of 1018 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,040 Speaker 1: being a mom. It tries, it does try, So I 1019 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 1: do want to include some things that I like. I 1020 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: do enjoy that between Amy's two children, more focus is 1021 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,680 Speaker 1: given on the mother daughter relationship than the mother's son 1022 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: relationship with the whole like soccer storyline, and they go 1023 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: to the spa and they bond at the spa and 1024 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 1: they have a nice little time. Um. I enjoyed that. 1025 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,040 Speaker 1: And then what little we do see with Amy's son 1026 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 1: is her basically saying like, don't grow up to be 1027 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 1: an entitled white guy. And because she's like, you need 1028 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 1: to do your own homework, you need to cook your 1029 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 1: own breakfast, he teaches himself how to cook, so you 1030 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 1: see makes time. So you see a boy learning a 1031 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: domestic skill, which I feel like you almost never see 1032 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,120 Speaker 1: in a movie. And he's not mocked for it either, 1033 01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,520 Speaker 1: which I feel would have been another easy writing trust 1034 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: that they didn't go with. I like for sure too. 1035 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 1: I liked I liked that her daughter was also on 1036 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,520 Speaker 1: a sports team, and that the main tension with the daughter. 1037 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there was mother daughter stuff, but it was 1038 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,919 Speaker 1: also like, my daughter really wants to be on this 1039 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: sports team. So they didn't relegate the daughter to like 1040 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 1: traditional you know stuff there either she's an act right, 1041 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,520 Speaker 1: they also do she takes Mandarin classes and then says 1042 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,240 Speaker 1: some racist stuff about Mandarin and then also and then 1043 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,000 Speaker 1: Milo Cunas also says, wow, that's a little racist, and 1044 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,320 Speaker 1: you're like, this is not a funny joke for this year, 1045 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Like you know, that's in response to um her daughter 1046 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,600 Speaker 1: like worrying about whether or not she's going to be 1047 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,960 Speaker 1: able to get into an Ivy League school, and she's like, yeah, 1048 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 1: they they're rejecting Asians these days. And then Mila Kunas 1049 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,080 Speaker 1: is like, oh, that's racist. But it's like, yeah, that's 1050 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 1: another like having it both waysy and as that you're 1051 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: decided that's not that doesn't if you just like that's 1052 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 1: such just another like dumbass like directors of the Hangover thing, 1053 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,440 Speaker 1: they're like, well, if we say it's racist, you're just like, no, 1054 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,200 Speaker 1: that's not how that works. Yeah. I won't go through 1055 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,000 Speaker 1: my whole list, but there's a lot of like punching down. Yeah, 1056 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, substantially less than you would expect from a 1057 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,200 Speaker 1: movie from these guys, but still bad. But it's still 1058 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,520 Speaker 1: present for sure. Some other stuff I did, like I 1059 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,920 Speaker 1: actually really enjoyed although I did not think it needed 1060 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,160 Speaker 1: to be there, but since it is there and we 1061 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,400 Speaker 1: have to talk about it, I liked the romantic subplot 1062 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: between Amy and Jesse. If it had to be there, 1063 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: they could have done a lot worse. They could have 1064 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,520 Speaker 1: done worse. And the reason I like it is that 1065 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,919 Speaker 1: he treats her far better than Certainly we've seen these 1066 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,640 Speaker 1: writers and directors having male characters treat women. I know, 1067 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: I know, but that it's also like I like that. 1068 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,480 Speaker 1: It would have been worse if he treated her badly, obviously, 1069 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,720 Speaker 1: but then I'm also like, these guys went out of 1070 01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 1: their way to treat a male character kindly that they 1071 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: would never have done for a female character. That's true 1072 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: in the same position, but I am glad. I mean, 1073 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,080 Speaker 1: I liked, I liked. I know nothing about him, but 1074 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,120 Speaker 1: he's nice. He has for consent. There's like he's doing 1075 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: a bare minimum on a very level. That's true. Yeah, 1076 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,480 Speaker 1: he he asks if she's okay when he learns about 1077 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,160 Speaker 1: like her husband having just cheated on her. He he 1078 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,480 Speaker 1: doesn't neg her. Right, We're mostly saying things that he 1079 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,240 Speaker 1: doesn't do it as opposed to think he does I 1080 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,400 Speaker 1: which just like speaks to the sad state of the 1081 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 1: way women are treated, especially in like romantic context, because 1082 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,120 Speaker 1: we've so we're so accustomed to seeing men being so 1083 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,080 Speaker 1: shitty to women and like negging them and stalking them 1084 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 1: and wearing them down and surprise kissing them. In this movie, 1085 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 1: she surprised kisses him, which you know was also not 1086 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,360 Speaker 1: good good but different different. Um. He compliments her on 1087 01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,000 Speaker 1: her parenting skills. You know, again, this is just bare 1088 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,520 Speaker 1: minimum the decent thing to do. But because we're so 1089 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,760 Speaker 1: conditioned to see men treating women terribly, we're like, wow, 1090 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:14,600 Speaker 1: give this man a medal. They also they objectify men 1091 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 1: far more than they do women in the movie to 1092 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 1: the extent it is often a joke where like when 1093 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,640 Speaker 1: we meet Jesse, he's introduced in this like slow mo 1094 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,000 Speaker 1: gazy shot that's like you know, panning up his body 1095 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 1: um to you know, draw the audience's attention to the 1096 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,160 Speaker 1: fact that this is the guy that the moms think 1097 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 1: is hot. There's the like movie, the fake movie that 1098 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,160 Speaker 1: they watch in the movie theater where like this man 1099 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,680 Speaker 1: is like in space with this woman. He's like love 1100 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,520 Speaker 1: is stronger than space, and he like rips his shirt 1101 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 1: exposing his chest and stuff. So it's like okay, yeah, 1102 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean and again this movie, I mean, like every 1103 01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: movie and this kind of very bloated genre, it can't 1104 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 1: possibly happen if everyone in the movie isn't pretty well off. Absolutely, 1105 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,640 Speaker 1: and by extension, there's very little diversity in the movie 1106 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,280 Speaker 1: at all. You just see a lot of different kinds 1107 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: of rich white moms. Yes, this is a hundred percent 1108 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,360 Speaker 1: of movie about like middle class two upper middle class 1109 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,520 Speaker 1: white women. I mean Amy's house, Yes, I would say that, 1110 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,120 Speaker 1: like I mean, like Carla is more like middle class, 1111 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 1: but like, yeah, Amy, it seems quite well to do. 1112 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,160 Speaker 1: And this is something that we see in media where 1113 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: moms are allowed to be boozy and like distant and 1114 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:44,120 Speaker 1: irresponsible as long as they are financially stable white women, 1115 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 1: because that when that's the case, it's funny, it's a joke, 1116 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,120 Speaker 1: it's hilarious. But like, if you're a black mom or 1117 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,200 Speaker 1: a low income mom and you like step out of 1118 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,240 Speaker 1: line as a mother for one second, there's a million 1119 01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,560 Speaker 1: other ways that you're going to be stigmatized and treated 1120 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,040 Speaker 1: poorly totally. And it's not to like lessen you know, 1121 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 1: it's like it there is pressure on the bad moms, 1122 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,040 Speaker 1: but it's like there's really no like indication that the 1123 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,240 Speaker 1: writers are aware that like this is on the low 1124 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 1: end of difficult, you know. Also, like another thing the 1125 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:25,440 Speaker 1: movie does again it makes the ever so slightest attempt 1126 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: to try to hold men more accountable, to be good fathers, 1127 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,760 Speaker 1: but which is like something a movie could and should do, 1128 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 1: Like I would like to see more movies with those themes, 1129 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,120 Speaker 1: but like it's really glossed over. There's just not enough 1130 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:46,360 Speaker 1: of an attempt to actually hold men accountable. Like the 1131 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,640 Speaker 1: closest thing we get, I think, is that little through 1132 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,520 Speaker 1: line with Kiki's husband, Kent, who we see him being 1133 01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:57,440 Speaker 1: really controlling and border line may be abuse of two Kiki, 1134 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,440 Speaker 1: And then she has a cathartic moment at the end 1135 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,520 Speaker 1: where she yells at him, and that's like the only 1136 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,680 Speaker 1: thing we know about her, And it's also just like 1137 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 1: that's the lowest level of resolution you can possibly get 1138 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: for the very little we know about this character. Is 1139 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,080 Speaker 1: like she told off her husband one time to go 1140 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,640 Speaker 1: to a PTA meeting, Like that's like but then and 1141 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,040 Speaker 1: then like the scene we get after that is like 1142 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,240 Speaker 1: I don't know his behavior has change and he's like, 1143 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,640 Speaker 1: oh mom, I'm so sorry. I forgot the backpack. I'll 1144 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,040 Speaker 1: go back and get it. And meanwhile she's like, there's 1145 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,840 Speaker 1: a weird the way Again, these directors, like their visual 1146 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: language that they use to indicate certain things is really 1147 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,520 Speaker 1: off because like in this scene, Kristen Belle is wearing makeup, 1148 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: and before she hadn't been wearing makeup. So now that 1149 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,040 Speaker 1: she's a middle part and then at the end she 1150 01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,120 Speaker 1: doesn't have a middle part. Love this love this arc 1151 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,760 Speaker 1: for her, Like, now that she's in control of her life, 1152 01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:01,560 Speaker 1: she she's makeup. Now she's wearing his makeup. Now there, Yeah, 1153 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:07,000 Speaker 1: you're like, sure, great, and like I like make up 1154 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,360 Speaker 1: just as much as the next person. But like these 1155 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:15,160 Speaker 1: filmmakers are like, oh well, um, makeup equals confidence, right, 1156 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,040 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's just such an oversimplified male 1157 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:24,880 Speaker 1: understanding of being a woman. And it's like, who let 1158 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,880 Speaker 1: you make this movie? Oh? I mean who wouldn't let them? 1159 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,559 Speaker 1: Who with influence and power would not let them make 1160 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:36,839 Speaker 1: this movie? Unfortunately? Um, so yeah, I mean moms deserve 1161 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad that this this is this is I feel 1162 01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,360 Speaker 1: like kind of a classic example of like a tiny 1163 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,280 Speaker 1: step in the right direction. So that's good, but it's 1164 01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,759 Speaker 1: also infuriating to be like, wow, progress or is slow, 1165 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:55,760 Speaker 1: isn't it? But yeah, I don't know. I I personally 1166 01:08:55,800 --> 01:09:01,200 Speaker 1: blame this all on Christie to applicate, it's actually been 1167 01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,920 Speaker 1: her fault all along. She invented patriarchy and if she 1168 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,439 Speaker 1: hadn't done that, none of this would be happening. I 1169 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,479 Speaker 1: think my final thoughts are just that like, this is 1170 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,320 Speaker 1: unfortunately because this is like one of the only examples 1171 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:20,040 Speaker 1: of a like female mom driven narrative that is also 1172 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,200 Speaker 1: like a romp, because there's other there's a few other 1173 01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,559 Speaker 1: like movies that explore motherhood that came around out around 1174 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,000 Speaker 1: this time. And I mean there's there's narratives about this 1175 01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 1: all throughout film history, but like some more recent ones 1176 01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:38,000 Speaker 1: were things like Twenty Century Women, Tully, the Bubba Duck. 1177 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,600 Speaker 1: You know, you can't beat the Babba Duck from a 1178 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,360 Speaker 1: psychon the Babba Duck. But these and Queer Icon the 1179 01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,960 Speaker 1: Babba Duck absolutely true, but they these aren't romps. So 1180 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,120 Speaker 1: the fact that like kind of the one example of 1181 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:54,400 Speaker 1: like a mainstream broad comedy mom romp is a movie 1182 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,760 Speaker 1: made by people who don't know what it is firsthand 1183 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,839 Speaker 1: to be a mom is just such a frustrating misstep. 1184 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,439 Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean like, if you like this movie, 1185 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,120 Speaker 1: I can see why. There are some things about it 1186 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,120 Speaker 1: to take away that it would be very relatable and 1187 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,800 Speaker 1: that that would resonate with moms. But I long for 1188 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,840 Speaker 1: the day that we get moms writing mom movies and 1189 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,000 Speaker 1: directing mom movies because I think that they will resonate 1190 01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:27,960 Speaker 1: with moms even more. Believe it or not, I wholeheartedly agree. 1191 01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,960 Speaker 1: But it does pass the Vactel test. So there's a 1192 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,960 Speaker 1: fair amount affair amount. There are whole scenes where they're 1193 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,679 Speaker 1: just talking about Dick, but there's also whole scenes where 1194 01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,840 Speaker 1: they're not that's true. Sometimes they're talking about their couiters. 1195 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes they're talking about their sugars. The most feminist thing 1196 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,160 Speaker 1: that we do, we do it all the time. I 1197 01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,720 Speaker 1: think it is funny that you're just like, yeah, they're 1198 01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,280 Speaker 1: talking about their vaginas. So it like it passes the 1199 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,880 Speaker 1: Vactel test, but I don't want it to because of 1200 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,840 Speaker 1: the people who are writing deadlines. But it does. It 1201 01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,120 Speaker 1: does pass. It does pretty handle. It does, and I 1202 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,320 Speaker 1: think it might not pass the reverse Spectel tests. I 1203 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:14,600 Speaker 1: don't think we would see men interacting really at all 1204 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,679 Speaker 1: except which is kind of nice. And it's kind of nice. 1205 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,240 Speaker 1: I think there's one. There's a few exchanges where Amy's 1206 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,360 Speaker 1: husband and son just have like a quick exchange. But 1207 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,479 Speaker 1: other than that, yeah, I think it is not men 1208 01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:32,080 Speaker 1: talking to each other really at all. So hey, so 1209 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:37,880 Speaker 1: there's that thankful for small miracles. What would you rate 1210 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,320 Speaker 1: this movie on our nipples scale? Uh, you know, from 1211 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,719 Speaker 1: zero to five nipples based on how well you feel 1212 01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:50,519 Speaker 1: it portray women in a movie. I will give it 1213 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,639 Speaker 1: to I was feeling the same way because, and again, 1214 01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:00,560 Speaker 1: I want there to be much more representation of moms 1215 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,639 Speaker 1: from all walks of life, not just rich white women, 1216 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,360 Speaker 1: the whole spectrum of people if they are parents. I 1217 01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,960 Speaker 1: want to see that. We don't really get much of 1218 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,600 Speaker 1: it at all, and when we do see it, it 1219 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,280 Speaker 1: is very limited the types of moms we are allowed 1220 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:21,559 Speaker 1: to see on screen. I've never seen any mom like 1221 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 1: my mom, Lorie. I've never seen anything remotely resembling my 1222 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,960 Speaker 1: mom on screen, which means I need to write a 1223 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:38,200 Speaker 1: movie about my mom. Yeah, I I agree. I I 1224 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,240 Speaker 1: kind of like and just based on the way that 1225 01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,840 Speaker 1: we've had to tiptoe around ourselves kind of throughout the 1226 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,439 Speaker 1: discussion of this movie because that's the only movie of 1227 01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,240 Speaker 1: its kind. I kind of I kind of resent a 1228 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,200 Speaker 1: little bit that we have to you know, keep you 1229 01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,200 Speaker 1: like but it's okay, the movie's okay, because it's just 1230 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,960 Speaker 1: like that's just such a clear indicator that there are 1231 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,240 Speaker 1: not enough options in this genre. It is the only option. 1232 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:03,439 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good movie. I'm glad that 1233 01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,720 Speaker 1: it portrays a few different types of moms in a 1234 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,679 Speaker 1: very specific area of the world, and not that every 1235 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,160 Speaker 1: movie needs to represent everything, but it's like, this is 1236 01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,160 Speaker 1: a movie written by people who don't know how to 1237 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:18,000 Speaker 1: write female characters. It just this movie just feels like 1238 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,519 Speaker 1: so focused, grouped, and I'm glad that there are elements 1239 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,599 Speaker 1: of it where moms feel seen, but it's I mean, 1240 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,120 Speaker 1: it's like it's so frustrating that it's like, oh, we 1241 01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,479 Speaker 1: have to like give us movie points because it has 1242 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,599 Speaker 1: mom representations. But then it's like, but it's not a 1243 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:38,320 Speaker 1: good movie, Like moms deserve a good, thoughtful movie that 1244 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,800 Speaker 1: can still be raunchy and funny, but like just let 1245 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,400 Speaker 1: someone who knows what they're talking about right it and sorry, 1246 01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,680 Speaker 1: And that's the police coming to arrest John Lucas and 1247 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,280 Speaker 1: Scott Moore. Yeah, I live in their neighborhood. Uh no, 1248 01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,439 Speaker 1: but yeah. And then then just like like we talked 1249 01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:59,360 Speaker 1: about just how how intensely like whitewashed um this movie, 1250 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,080 Speaker 1: and there's genre is to the extent where you can 1251 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,000 Speaker 1: have Jada Pinkett Smith in the movie and not give 1252 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,720 Speaker 1: her a line like outside of like yes, Christina Applegate. 1253 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,960 Speaker 1: Just I don't know. I feel like there's a lot 1254 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,520 Speaker 1: of broad stereotypes that these guys are known for perpetuating 1255 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,280 Speaker 1: for all genders races. They only know how to write 1256 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,479 Speaker 1: in stereotypes, and that doesn't really service what I feel 1257 01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,439 Speaker 1: like is needed in the terms of portraying moms in 1258 01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,360 Speaker 1: a cool and funny way. I feel so, I don't know. 1259 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:38,639 Speaker 1: For now, watch TV instead. Two nipples, one to Catherine 1260 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,680 Speaker 1: Hahn and one to Jada Pinkett Smith. Nice, I'm going 1261 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,799 Speaker 1: to give one to wand to Sykes, and one to Vertigo, 1262 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:53,879 Speaker 1: dog feminist, very good dog, the best character in the film. Truly, 1263 01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:58,879 Speaker 1: I felt like I have Vertigo this whole movie. Well, 1264 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:02,840 Speaker 1: there you have it. Bad Moms. Happy Mother's Day to 1265 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,720 Speaker 1: all the bad moms, the good moms, the whole, the 1266 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,840 Speaker 1: whole beautiful spectrum of moms. We love you all and 1267 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,080 Speaker 1: thank you for what you do. And yeah, and then 1268 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,200 Speaker 1: just for everybody, we hope you're doing well. You hope 1269 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,960 Speaker 1: we ever stand safe? Are What a time to be alive? 1270 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:22,519 Speaker 1: Truly right? And then I guess we should say word 1271 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,760 Speaker 1: we can be. You can find us on Twitter and 1272 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,759 Speaker 1: Instagram at becktel Cast for starters. For starters, you can 1273 01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,479 Speaker 1: subscribe to our Patreon a k a. Matreon if you 1274 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,960 Speaker 1: have not already and if you are able the fun time, 1275 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,719 Speaker 1: it's a fun time. It's May. So it's my birthday 1276 01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,840 Speaker 1: months we're doing fun, which we're doing some fun. We're 1277 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,680 Speaker 1: doing um Sean of the Dead and Monty Python and 1278 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,479 Speaker 1: The Holy Grail. Just so much feminism, just who is 1279 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:57,360 Speaker 1: the kind of these films that I'm very excited. Unfortunately, 1280 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,599 Speaker 1: they are some of my favorite movies and that's my 1281 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,600 Speaker 1: cross to bear. Those are my picks for my birthday 1282 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:09,000 Speaker 1: May Treon Treon. But we've been we've been really I 1283 01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,519 Speaker 1: think cranking out the hits over in the Matreon recently. 1284 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, head over there during the community have some 1285 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,880 Speaker 1: fun with us. You can get to get some merch 1286 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,720 Speaker 1: at t public dot com, slash the Bechdel Cast. They're 1287 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:25,240 Speaker 1: selling masks now. We're selling masks now. So that's if 1288 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we all need one one another now from 1289 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:36,759 Speaker 1: Molena mask. Get a Molena mask. You know, go cucku um. 1290 01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,719 Speaker 1: And if you are interested in taking my online screenwriting class, 1291 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,360 Speaker 1: you can go to Caitlin Durante dot com slash classes 1292 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:51,000 Speaker 1: for more information, or feel free to just tweet at 1293 01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,360 Speaker 1: me at Caitlin Durante uh and let me know that 1294 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,839 Speaker 1: you're interested. And with that, have a happy Mother's Day 1295 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:06,200 Speaker 1: or happy be bad moms Day, very bad Mom's Christmas, 1296 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,040 Speaker 1: Bye Bye's Day. In a way, it is just bad 1297 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,599 Speaker 1: Mom's Christmas. Okay, that's true. Bye bye